42.) Jay-Z and R Kelly's Legacies, ESPN Debuts, + Reactions to Gavin Newsom Comments (2/24/26)

Summary

The Ebro, Laura, Rosenberg Show – Episode 42

“Jay-Z and R Kelly's Legacies, ESPN Debuts, + Reactions to Gavin Newsom Comments”

Date: February 24, 2026

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Episode Overview

This episode sees Ebro, Laura, and Rosenberg navigating a busy rundown centered on headlines in Black culture, controversial media moments, music legacies, and a pointed discussion of public reactions to recent news clips and award show incidents. They blend personal anecdotes and industry experience with the day’s trending topics, offering insight, candor, and humorous debate on everything from youth sports and Olympic dreams, to the complexities of Tourette’s, the handling of racial slurs on live TV, viral accounts of white politicians addressing Black audiences, and how to (or not to) separate art from problematic artists like R. Kelly. The show also features lively side discussions about iconic hip-hop moments, future merchandise, and the enduring debate around privacy and celebrity in the digital age.

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Key Discussion Points & Timestamps

1. ESPN Debut & Growing Flag Football (03:40–07:17)

• Rosenberg’s daughter, Issa, debuts on the ESPN app through her journey in girls’ flag football, highlighting the sport’s inclusion in the 2028 Olympics.
• The hosts discuss the significance of this development, the Olympics process, and the flourishing of youth leagues.
• Quote [04:05] Charlamagne Tha God: “This whole thing could end with... Issa in the Olympics. It could happen!”
• Insight: Rosenberg emphasizes how powerful the representation is for young girls in a male-dominated sport.

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2. Tourette’s at the BAFTAs, Race, and Media Responsibility (07:43–24:34; 26:45–28:31; 32:11–34:59)

• Incident Context: At the BAFTAs, a man with Tourette’s loudly blurted the N-word—BAFTA left this moment unedited but removed other controversial phrases including “Free Palestine.”
• Quote [21:32] DeJean Campbell: “If that had been another slur aimed at another community, would it have aired? Would it have taken nearly an hour?”

Breakdown:

• Jumaane Williams’ perspective: sharing his own Tourette’s experience and discussing the concept of corprolalia (verbal tics, some of which can be offensive).
• The crew examine the difference between intent vs. impact with involuntary language, empathy for both the person with Tourette’s and those hurt by slurs, and public confusion (“Did you think it before saying it?”).
• Critique of BAFTA/BBC’s choices to edit some slurs but not the N-word, highlighting institutional insensitivity (“They managed to edit out ‘Free Palestine’ but not the N-word” [13:54]).
• Analysis of the apology, media double standards, conspiracy chatter about BBC governance, and responsibility toward Black viewers and public figures like Delroy Lindo and Michael B. Jordan.
• Email from listener Ed in the UK offers a personal story about living with a relative with Tourette’s, reinforcing the difference between intent and impact.
• Quote [23:38] (Ed): “Tourette’s can latch on to the worst possible thing to say... but none of this reflects who he is.”

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3. Governor Gavin Newsom Controversy (24:48–29:17)

• Viral Clip Phenomenon: Gavin Newsom’s remarks about his own dyslexia and low SAT score were spun by right-wing accounts as pandering to Black people; Nicki Minaj amplified the out-of-context outrage.
• IG posts debunk the misleading framing—clip was addressed to a general audience, and context reveals Newsom discussing overcoming learning challenges.
• The panel pokes fun at this recurring political trope (“This is the Hillary hot sauce in the purse play...the ‘if you don’t vote for me you ain’t Black’ play” [28:12]).
• Insight [28:38] Charlamagne: “That’s been the Republican playbook—trying to convince Black people that Democrats are always placating them.”
• Quote [28:58] Rosenberg: “We’re gonna erase history, defund things that support communities that happen to be Black.”

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4. Boxing Spectacle: Mayweather, Tyson, Pacquiao (29:18–32:25)

• Conversation about headline-grabbing “celebrity” boxing matches: Floyd Mayweather vs. Mike Tyson, and a real fight against Manny Pacquiao set for the Sphere in Vegas.
• Hosts describe these bouts as “absurd,” questioning logistics, legacy stakes, and generational divides.
• Quote [31:13] Rosenberg: “It’s going to be silly because Floyd could still move...Mike’s 60; he was not moving well.”

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5. Culture & Industry Moves: Drewski, TV vs. Social (33:06–36:29)

• Drewski joins The Voice as its first on-air commentator; debate on whether virality translates to TV/industry respect and the evolving power of social media over broadcast television.
• Reflections on comedic talent, the importance of online platforms, and how legacy media is adapting (or not).
• Quote [35:51] Charlamagne: “No TV is getting...30 million views. That’s why we’re here every day at 8 a.m.”

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6. Jay-Z Reasonable Doubt 30th Anniversary, Hip-Hop Legacy (44:56–54:43)

• Celebrating 30 years since Jay-Z’s “Reasonable Doubt” and the re-release of the original “Dead Presidents.”
• The hosts reminisce about early industry moments, rare vinyl, and the significance of the Mary J. Blige feature.
• Discussion on the best way to honor the album—intimate show vs. arena, the specialness of Jay-Z’s art over his billionaire status.
• Quote [50:05] Charlamagne: “But the celebration of Jay’s music, I’ll never get bored of. He is the art.”
• Reflections on the complexity of getting Dame Dash or other producers to participate in retrospectives.

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7. Separating Art from Artist: R. Kelly, Michael Jackson, and Complicated Legacies (54:43–70:24)

• Candid discussion of playing R. Kelly and Kanye at events—how DJs and fans negotiate the legacy of tainted artists.
• Admits to playing R. Kelly’s “Best of Both Worlds” at a party, confronting feelings of guilt and generational divides in musical taste.
• Quote [64:27] Charlamagne: “I played Best of Both Worlds...I do have a separation when I’m playing.”
• The team revisits key R. Kelly hits, debates lyrics, and address the deep discomfort (especially in light of the “Pied Piper” persona).
• Moves into broader questions of legacy: what do we do about Diddy, MJ, or others? How do movements in culture and the law shift these conversations?
• Touches on rumors/conspiracy theories about Michael Jackson and “pro-Palestine” lyrics, correcting online misinformation (see [62:36] fact check about MJ poetry).

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8. Music, Memorials, and Black Excellence

• Discussion of why certain artists remain enigmatic (Beyoncé’s privacy and public distance), contrasted against the torrent of social media intimacy.
• “Protect your peace” and “rarity” becomes a virtue as artists mature.
• Quote [56:29] Charlamagne: “I think when you get to a certain place, I like when you become rare and more special.”

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9. Listener Engagement & Closing Highlights (37:27, 41:36, 44:52, throughout Superchats)

• Loads of shout-outs to fans, merch ideas (starter jackets, hats), inside jokes, and back-and-forth about who could seriously take on 50 Cent in a meme war.
• Get well wishes for Elliott Wilson after news of heart surgery [70:52].
• Quick hits: Floyd/Manny purse speculation, chatter about Diddy, the “On the Radar” cypher, and spontaneous polls on brand partnerships.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• [06:32] Laura: “Flag football is not merely provisional but has been officially approved as the new sport of the 2028 Summer Olympics.”
• [13:36] Laura: “Once it’s said, there has to be a better way of handling it.”
• [21:41] Rosenberg: “That’s the whole story. If they’d just done the right thing and gotten rid of it, we’re never talking about this.”
• [28:12] Rosenberg: “This is the play they ran on Biden with the ‘if you don’t vote for me, you ain’t Black’ play.”
• [47:57] Laura: “The Brooklyn Museum exhibition was amazing.” (on Jay-Z)
• [69:15] Rosenberg: “R. Kelly called himself the Pied Piper. And y’all was okay with that? I wasn’t okay with that.”
• [56:23] Laura: “I think when you get to a certain ilk...I think people don’t like that [Beyoncé’s privacy].”
• [50:05] Charlamagne: “But the celebration of Jay’s music, I’ll never get bored of. He is the art.”

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Episode Structure

• Youth Sports & Representation: Celebrating growing opportunities for girls in sports, linking to social impact.
• Explaining and Contextualizing Controversy: Deep dive into BAFTA/BBC incident, the struggles of disability, media ethics, and race.
• Political Media Literacy: Dismantling viral narratives around politicians trying to ‘relate’ to Black audiences.
• Celebrity and Sports Satire: Lighthearted debate on boxers’ legacies and the spectacle of old legends returning to the ring.
• Culture Industry Moves: Analyzing the business of virality, TV, and online brands.
• Hip-Hop Reminiscence: Nostalgic, expert-level breakdowns of classic records and the importance of musical legacy.
• Public and Private Legacy: Honest grappling with how we as consumers, DJs, and fans deal with the tainted legacies of artists.
• Community & Audience: Frequent engagement with fan commentary, inside jokes, and merch plans.

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For New Listeners

This episode is equal parts personal and cultural analysis, mixing music history with sharp, sometimes irreverent, social critique. Expect lively arguments, lots of industry insider references, and thoughtful (if at times conflicted) engagement with Black cultural debates. The discussion is unfiltered and timely, delving deep into the anxieties and hopes of Black listeners, while reflecting on the responsibility of both media makers and legacy artists.

Pro tip: The strongest portions focus on the intricacies of the BAFTA incident (07:43–24:34), the Jay-Z musical legacy segment (44:56–54:43), and the messy, unresolved conversation around enjoying art from problematic figures (54:43–70:24).

Skip the ad reads and jump into the raw, real talk.

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Transcript

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[Laura Rosenberg]

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[Rosenberg]

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[Charlamagne Tha God]

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[Rosenberg]

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[Charlamagne Tha God]

Wait, they. She's not calling me anymore.

[Rosenberg]

She's not calling me anymore. Why did you break up? Why is she blocking me? Yo, I didn't even know we was man.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Okay.

[Rosenberg]

Huh? Okay. Yes. Ibrah. Laura Rosenberg. What's happening?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Okay.

[Rosenberg]

Okay. Okay.

[Ebro Darden]

Hi.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Hi.

[Rosenberg]

Hello. Tourette's Gate is still going on.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Is that. We're going with Tourette's Gate. Huh?

[Rosenberg]

I mean, it's. It's definitely a fallout.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

That's a gate. It's. It's. It's. It's giving gate.

[Rosenberg]

It's not. It's not giving gate.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

It's giving gate.

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[Charlamagne Tha God]

It's giving to her. It's giving gate. People breaking it down.

[Laura Rosenberg]

We also have the MAGA is going crazy over Newsoms calling him a. A bigot. They're calling Gavin Newsom a bigot.

[Rosenberg]

Well, we'll we'll un unpack the Gavin. Gavin Newsom gate.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Just go and get with everything, huh? Newsom Gate.

[Rosenberg]

Listen, yesterday we didn't get into it, you know, my daughter was on espn. Well, the ESPN app, let's be clear.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I mean, it still looked like ESPN to me.

[Rosenberg]

It definitely gave ESPN looked like ESPN to me. So east has been playing flag football for what now? This was on five years. Five. It's been five.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Something like that.

[Laura Rosenberg]

Damn.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Four years.

[Rosenberg]

Something like that. Anyway, this was her journey. She came home one day from school, said I wanted to play flag football. I was like, really?

[Laura Rosenberg]

That is kind of random but cool.

[Rosenberg]

But I guess her, her PE coach at school was like, you should play flag football. They were playing it at, you know, outside, right? As a part of, you know, their. Their little outside activities. At any rate, come to find out, he actually coached the team in Staten Island. She goes on and then her mother goes out and finds an all girls flag league. Hackensack, New Jersey. She's making that move. And now, man, she drives all the way to Staten island to play for crazy called tht. They go to the world Championships. The unrivaled flag world champ.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Hello.

[Rosenberg]

Down In Orlando, there's 36 teams from all over the world. As far as Mexico, I think that a team from Germany came. All right, you know, and a lot of these teams, if you don't know, flag football will be in the 2028 Summer Olympics in Los Angeles. Men and women's. Oh, so that's kind of where I think this warm up's about. The NFL's already started. Like there's a Jets flag team.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

This whole thing could end with. With east and the Olympics. It could happen.

[Rosenberg]

I don't know if she makes 2020. She's not old enough in 2020.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Right? Well, I'm. That's good. Wouldn't it be better to make the next one?

[Rosenberg]

I guess, if they remember. So I don't know. I'm not quite sure how this works. Remember there was breakdancing in the Summer Olympics.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Do I remember?

[Rosenberg]

Okay, but when they get to LA. When they get to LA. Break dancing, LA decided not to have breakdancing but has other sports. So it's not as if when something pops up at the. At the Olympics, it's always going to be a part of the Olympics. It's provisional. I don't. It's flag football provisional. It might be provisional. So I don't know if it's always going to be a part of the Olympics. Nonetheless, it's putting it on big display. There was an Under Armour commercial. Nike as women's flag commercials. It's like a thing. But anyway. Issa's team made it to the. The championship game 10 and under at the unrivaled flag championship. Should we have a clip?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Here we go.

[Rosenberg]

People might be. No, that's practice. That's hard practice. That's not the game.

[Laura Rosenberg]

All right, hold on. A little. Little east side practice.

[Rosenberg]

All right, let' we go. Here we go. This is. This is the game. I think this was them trying to tie the game. Issa gets in the game. We don't have audio there.

[Ebro Darden]

Issa.

[Rosenberg]

All right.

[Laura Rosenberg]

This is so cool.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Let's just practice. This is light work.

[Rosenberg]

No, this is the championship here.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

No, that. But the one. Sorry. Sorry. I'm on YouTube. I'm. I've seen this highlight. Y' all watch this Mad time.

[Rosenberg]

They use these as a decoy to get a touchdown. And down one point like that little bump.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

See, look how focused she is now. Is about to happen. They will try and tie it up with an extra point.

[Ebro Darden]

No pressure. And I. I love that the quarterback

[Laura Rosenberg]

didn't feel like she had to get

[Ebro Darden]

it to dart it.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Why take. He's out. I don't like that.

[Rosenberg]

I mean, coach Kev, man. He's coaching. He's coaching. It's prime time. You know what I mean? He had a different. He had a different play in mind.

[Ebro Darden]

People away from actually who you want.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Wow. These girls look focused.

[Rosenberg]

No, they're not playing game.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Brilliant tactics.

[Rosenberg]

They're not playing.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

No, they look really serious.

[Rosenberg]

But anyway. Salute to Issa, man. Little. Little update on what's going on.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

That's amazing. So there's. So if. If there's a world in which it becomes an Olympic sport. She's how old now? 10.

[Rosenberg]

She's 11.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

She's 11.

[Rosenberg]

But she gets to play in 10U because her birthday is early August. So she makes the cutoff. So they keep her at 10U.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

God. Okay. Which makes. Which probably helps make her a dominant figure. Yes. She's bigger than us.

[Laura Rosenberg]

The girls producer crib. Just text me. Flag football is not merely provisional but has been officially approved as the new sport of the 2028 Summer Olympics in Los Angeles.

[Rosenberg]

So that means it'll stay.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yes, it's going to stay.

[Rosenberg]

Oh, wow. So maybe Issa would, you know, if that's what she wants.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

So maybe she gets to. Maybe then you get to go the next one. She'd be 19.

[Rosenberg]

Yeah.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I mean that's going to be serious. By the way. No 19 year old. We're talking about looking serious in 10 you if they're 18, 19, not serious.

[Rosenberg]

Well, and let's see if she stays focused. There was a some Issa's mom hit me saying one of the parents said that because they went this far in this, they may qualify for Junior Olympics. There might be a Junior Olympic.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

This is a lot serious. No, it's serious right now.

[Rosenberg]

Serious business. Serious, serious business. Now joke on to some real things going on in the world or excuse me, should I say real ish. Because that's just real life. This is real life.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Also smash that, smash that like button and share the show. You know what I'm saying? The people gunning for us every day. There's, there's blood in the water, folks.

[Rosenberg]

Blood. Blood's back in the water.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Blood back in the water, folks. We need you to like we need you to, we need you to post this on your socials, let people know.

[Rosenberg]

Now, Jimani Williams, if we get back into ret gate J. Williams has jumped on social medias talking about his tick and kind of explaining because he has a similar tick.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Well, he has threats, he has Tourette's,

[Rosenberg]

but he said he had the same one as the man that blurted out during bath.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

No, he doesn't have that.

[Rosenberg]

You're sure?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I'm pretty sure he has a different one. But he, he remember he saw his mom saw a documentary about someone with a similar one. Wasn't that what it was? He doesn't have that same. Because we've been around Juman mad times. His tick isn't blurting, his is.

[Rosenberg]

He says, he says in this clip. You have the clip. Run the clip.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

All right. Okay.

[Tourette's Expert]

When I was elected over 15, 16 years ago, I was thought to be the first black, sorry, first elected official with Tourette syndrome. And thankfully that is no longer the case. And people with corporealia only make up about 10 to 30% of people.

[Rosenberg]

And that's what it is.

[Tourette's Expert]

It's important to remember that it's not just a lack of a filter. It's an involuntary compulsion, whether it's vocal or body movements. And it can also include very bad intrusive thoughts. Now, when I, before I was diagnosed, my mother saw a 2020 special. It actually had a man who was white and his tick was the. One of his tics was the N word. This was over 30 years ago. Now obviously we want to practice care when we're speaking about the person who has Tourette syndrome who is the ticker, because they also require some grace and some consideration. You also have to provide empathy and care for people who are receiving it, like Delroy Lindo, like Michael B. Jordan, like the thousands, if not more of people who heard it. They deserve some care and compassion as well. And I believe that's where the ball was dropped. I don't think there was enough care that was provided. And there's some ways. I want to talk about how we could have and how BAFTA and others can do better in the future. Back to that 2020 special. That white man who had tics of an N word. What he used to say was nickels, pennies, and dimes. He augmented it in a way. And I learned to do that when I was diagnosed.

[Laura Rosenberg]

See, that's interesting.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

So I guess maybe he did have a vocal tickle.

[Rosenberg]

Corporal. Well, he's saying corporalia could be physical. Physical or verbal.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yeah.

[Rosenberg]

But I found it interesting because the special he's referencing says the man conditioned himself to say nickels, pennies, and dimes instead of the N word.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

But just so you know, he was still thinking the N word.

[Rosenberg]

I don't know. Is that what you're trying to. You trying to trigger me?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Well, no, because I.

[Rosenberg]

Using care, Rosenberg.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

No, because what I was trying to. We were having a conversation off the air and I think we, you know, tried to get through this yesterday. Everyone keeps saying, you know, why is that the word you say? I think that's us missing what the tick and compulsion is. It is the compulsion is to say that thing that you are not supposed to say.

[Rosenberg]

Well, so for us unprofessionals that don't understand how the brain work works, when. Speak for yourself, you know, you understand how the brain works.

[Laura Rosenberg]

What?

[Rosenberg]

Nice.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I went to Maryland, bro. Why? That is.

[Rosenberg]

See, E. Compulsive. It just comes out. That's what I was thinking. That's what I was thinking.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Why are you doing that?

[Rosenberg]

But. Well, cuz he said intrusive thoughts, right?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

And yours was a. Shut up. And you push the. But he can't help but push the button to shut your white mouth. Oh, why do you have to bring that up?

[Rosenberg]

Intrusive thoughts? Because I. It makes me think. As an. As somebody who's not educated on this, why are you having these intrusive thoughts? Why? And, And I guess that's what they're trying to figure out with Tourettes. That's why it's a. The man 30 years ago that Jumani's referencing was able to recondition himself.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yeah, that's interesting.

[Laura Rosenberg]

But I wonder if that was done with Research and like later on in life. You know what I mean?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yeah. Well, and also maybe a particular. The specialist you worked with.

[Rosenberg]

Right.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Has a method that they was like, hey, and other people, like, I don't even know you could do that.

[Laura Rosenberg]

Exactly.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Because I've never heard. Listen, I'm no expert. I've just seen some shows and some doc stuff on it. I didn't know you could recondition it and be like, hey, if you work on this word, that can be the word you say instead of. But it doesn't change the fact that the compulsion is there to say the bad thing. That's the point, is that they are saying the bad thing. And I saw people in the comments yesterday. But why is that in your vocabulary?

[Rosenberg]

That was my. I said that every.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

But every adult human knows all the bad words. You're not supposed to say. It doesn't mean that you would say it, but you know it's there.

[Rosenberg]

So you thought it.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

If you, if you. If you.

[Rosenberg]

But that's the piece people are trying to get to. Are you thinking it when it happens?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

It's more to me. The way I understand it is as I walk on stage, Ebro has this compulsion. I walk on stage, Ebro's just like, Jew face because he knows he's a Jew. He's not thinking anything bad about it, but he knows that's what he is. And that's the most inappropriate thing. But that was what comes out of your brain.

[Rosenberg]

I mean, that's what I think it is. No, I think what you're saying is correct. I don't know if it's acceptable to people who don't understand.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I don't know, just. But it's a real illness. Yeah, I know.

[Rosenberg]

But this goes back to empathy, right? We were talking about empathy yesterday on the show and how hard it is sometimes to wrap your brain around what someone else is going through. Right. Like, and I think that applies to this Tourette situation where you're trying to figure out, like, wait a minute, wait a minute. So you, You. You don't mean what you said, or you do mean what you said? Because that's what people are really trying to figure out. It's not about the blurting of the word. It's why did you think it? That's what people are thinking.

[Laura Rosenberg]

I get it. And once it's said, it's not that

[Rosenberg]

they're thinking it, but that. But that's what people want answers to. Did you think it or not? It's kind of like, wait, sorry. Sorry. Laura. It's kind of like how people justify. Was it the A or the er.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Right.

[Rosenberg]

Intention.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Right, the intention of it. Sure, sure.

[Rosenberg]

That's what people are trying. I believe people are trying to wrap your brain around that. Go ahead, Laura.

[Tourette's Expert]

I'm sorry.

[Laura Rosenberg]

Obviously, yes, they're thinking it, but what I was saying is like, once it's said, there has to be a better way of handling it. I just didn't like the way people were just kind of like, hey, you know, he has a condition. Everybody, if you're, if you're offended that

[Charlamagne Tha God]

we all agree that was bad.

[Laura Rosenberg]

Well, it's like you need to hold space and be like, no, that was wrong.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

No, the baftas, it will listen. They managed to edit out someone saying Free Palace.

[Rosenberg]

So watch this. Get to get Dejan Campbell's IG post. Let's just watch my brain. The amount of things they edited out.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Remember, there was multiple things.

[Rosenberg]

What?

[Laura Rosenberg]

Rosenberg.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

So that's the real. Let's be honest, that's the real issue. Us breaking down Tourette's is different. To me, it's not about the us breaking down Tourette's. I understand why people feel away.

[Rosenberg]

We have it. Rahaan. What they edited out of the baftas. It's on the paper, but it's good

[Laura Rosenberg]

to have the conversation just to educate.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

It is. It is. But people also need to ask themselves, obviously everyone has the right to be more offended by the N word than other words, but would you feel the same way about it if it was a heavy person and he was just like, fat bitch out of it? Like, would you feel away or would you be like, oh, man, that's Tourette's. That's crazy. But when it's about something that hurts us directly, we're less likely to have the empathy for it because it personally affects you.

[Rosenberg]

It's personal.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

It feels personal.

[Rosenberg]

Of course it's personal.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

But it doesn't change what the Tourette's is.

[Rosenberg]

No, but the N word is something that's so egregious, it's. And so specific and so tied to history. Oh, and oh, by the way, you're white. And oh, by the way, BAFTA's edited out math stuff and didn't edit that out.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

No. Well, that's.

[Rosenberg]

No, no, no mad stuff, bro. It was an hour or two hour delay. They chose not to edit it out. That's a choice.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yeah, I don't, I have no idea how they could have done that.

[Rosenberg]

Yeah, that's not like just Juanito missing the edit or Rahon not having A clip?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

You mean like yesterday when we did this whole segment about how offensive the NWORD is and then we played clips on the show that edited out the S word and included the N word were as bad as the BAFTAs.

[Laura Rosenberg]

Oh, God, no.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Don't you laugh. I mean, Bascom, he is the baftas. His new nickname is Baftum Rahsaan Baftam. He just left that word in.

[Rosenberg]

Yeah, incredible.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

But yeah, there was a Free Palestine that they took out, I heard. And there was an.

[Rosenberg]

Well, no, there were other outbursts that. That.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Oh, that he had.

[Rosenberg]

That the person had that they edited out.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Oh, they're trolling. Ebro. How do you not go to your. They just wanted people to talk about the baftas. Not this many people outside the UK have never talked about.

[Rosenberg]

Ever. Ever. Never.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

So maybe that's what they were going for. Although the baftas is a really big deal. I don't know why you need to do that.

[Laura Rosenberg]

But wait, so besides free Palestine, what else?

[Rosenberg]

Well, I wish I had the clip. I didn't. I didn't take notes on it, but, you know, we don't have the clip ready to go.

[Laura Rosenberg]

Okay.

[Rosenberg]

So we could either sit here in silence while it gets ready or move

[Charlamagne Tha God]

on with our lives.

[Rosenberg]

Or move on with our lives. But the. The. The BAFTA edits.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Rahsaan. Bafta.

[Rosenberg]

Bafta. Yeah. No, it was Free Palestine, which we covered.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Some regular curses.

[Rosenberg]

And the BBC has now apologized this morning for not editing out the racial slur. Let's see here. We apologize that this was not edited out prior to the broadcast and will now be removed from the version on the BBC. You know, there's a whole conspiracy theory about the. About the guy who heads the BBC, one of the heads of the BBC who they couldn't. Who's a big, big, big pro Zionist, pro Israel supporter who obviously wanted to free Palestine edited out, but had, you know, now they're pointing at him, which they're. They're like, yo, he's not going to get kicked off the BBC. He's not going to get kicked off the board at all.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Wow. The fact that you would take. You would actually edit out Free Palestine as if it's a curse, a bad thing.

[Rosenberg]

We take full responsibility. I'm reading the BBC's note here. The ill part is we apologize if you were offended.

[Laura Rosenberg]

That's what I said.

[Rosenberg]

Yes. So crazy. Let's see. Hannah Bilcher, the production designer from the film centers. This situation is almost impossible. But it happened three that night, and one of the three times was directed at myself on the way to a dinner after the show. I understand and deeply know why this is an impossible situation. I know we must handle this with grace and continue to push through. But what made that situation worse was that throwaway of an apology. So most people are really pointing to that apology.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yeah.

[Rosenberg]

Do we have the clip yet? Rahsaan 2. The man says 2 seconds while we stall. Yo, do you. You know there's a list here. It says ish Ebro sent and it's right there.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

And it's so long. Today's Hebrew. He sent us a text and he had so many clips in it. How could this be? The only thing every thought ebro had yesterday is a damn clip we have prepared for today.

[Rosenberg]

That's right.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

How? Not this one.

[Rosenberg]

I don't know, man. Rahsaan BAFTA strikes again.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

You think he's working with them? Perhaps. You think so?

[Rosenberg]

I don't know.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

With the BBC. Have you ever seen him them in the same room?

[Rosenberg]

Now we're gonna get to Laura styles rundown coming up soon. We also. Do you have stuff for the lowdown today?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

No.

[Rosenberg]

Yo, Laura does not want to be in the doldrums in the mud.

[Laura Rosenberg]

I don't want to talk about raging.

[Rosenberg]

You don't want to talk about Ray J 50 cent.

[Laura Rosenberg]

Ti is the T. I think low down.

[Rosenberg]

It's kind of low down. You're talking about somebody's wife is getting family focused.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yeah.

[Rosenberg]

TI put up a music video sitting at dinner with his wife. I think it was his. His mom or his mother in law. I'm not.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

That was. Oh, I didn't see that.

[Laura Rosenberg]

Like, this ain't going nowhere.

[Rosenberg]

You have the clip. Let's hear it.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

He's got it.

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[Rosenberg]

Here we go.

[Tourette's Expert]

First BAFTA of the night for a vital part of movie making.

[DeJean Campbell]

Yes, that was the n word with the hard r followed by the b word. And no, I do not mean British. And it all happened at the baftas, basically the British oscars. The man who shouted it, John Davidson. And he was there because his life inspired and nomin film that night. He has tourette's Syndrome. Tourette's is a neurological condition that can include involuntary vocal tics. Now, I'm not a medical expert, but I'm an expert on being a black man by the name of DeJean. And I know this disability may explain the cause, but it does not erase the impact. The BBC broadcasted the baftas on a two hour delay. During the broadcast, he also allegedly yelled out. That was edited out, though. He also allegedly yelled shut the up during another speech that was also edited out. Davis Jr said free Palestine in his speech. But that was edited out. But the N word with the hard R. Yeah, that aired. Oh, and it aired while Michael B. Jordan and Delroy Linda were standing on that stage. Two black accomplished actors. I shouldn't have to say this, but the N word carries history. History. That history is filled with violence and that history is filled with humiliation. Nearly an hour after that moment happened, the host read a statement that said,

[Charlamagne Tha God]

tics you've heard tonight are involuntary.

[Experian Advertiser]

Which means the person who has Tourette's

[Charlamagne Tha God]

syndrome has no control over their language. We apologize if you were offended.

[Tourette's Expert]

If.

[DeJean Campbell]

Okay, let's take that word.

[Rosenberg]

If.

[DeJean Campbell]

If that had been another slur aimed at another community, would it have aired? Would it have taken nearly an hour?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

But that really is. Isn't that.

[Rosenberg]

That's the story.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

That's the whole story. I understand why people want to. It makes sense why people start debating the Tourette's part. But that probably is getting us into silly conversations that we're out of our depth in. It really is just, why did it air? Because if they'd done the right thing and gotten rid of it. We're never talking about this.

[Rosenberg]

Never.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

And Delroy Lindo, Michael B. Jordan never have to talk about it. They go, that was crazy. And they move on. Now it's a thing that lives on because they didn't do it. And they edited out regular curses. My man yelled shut the F up during the speech.

[Rosenberg]

And by the way. And by the way, if they wanted to have the force the conversation around Tourette's, which might be a healthy one.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Right.

[Rosenberg]

They could have kept some of the ones that were less egregious because. Shut the F up, nobody.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

It's not polite, but it certainly doesn't have any history to.

[Rosenberg]

It's not the N word.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

It is not.

[Rosenberg]

It's not at all. So listen, I, you know, the BBC put out another apology after that one that they aired.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

The apology for the apology.

[Rosenberg]

The apology for the apology. It's crazy, but I, you know, I can't help but Feel, man, like it's constant when you're black. It's. It just feels constant. It feels constant like non stop that people want to have you in a constant state of like anger and like, why are you playing in my face? Because that is one of those. And it's coming from a government run broadcast network. The BBC is run by the government,

[Charlamagne Tha God]

but the BBC is also like, generally speaking, from what we know of it, a pretty. They're pretty. They usually on the good side of stuff, cover stuff fairly. I mean they, at least compared to American outlets, show us a lot of things we don't. Low bar, very low bar. But they, but they put on a lot of progressive programming. They've shown us a lot of great stuff. They're.

[Laura Rosenberg]

Well, it was somebody's choice not to

[Charlamagne Tha God]

edit, but someone, someone made a choice.

[Rosenberg]

We have, we have multiple emails that came in. One from Tiffany and from Ed in the uk, who Ed says that he grew up and lived for a few years with his cousin who has Tourette's.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Okay.

[Rosenberg]

And he goes on to explain what Tourette's is. This from our discussion yesterday. Tourette's can latch on to the worst possible thing to say in any given moment. The most shocking, the most forbidden, the most likely to get a reaction. I've seen my cousin shout bomb in an airport. I've seen him shout terrorists at someone wearing a hijab. I've even heard him verbally threaten to harm people he loves most in the world. None of this reflects who he is. He's kind, thoughtful and deeply empathetic. But like Mr. Davidson, he has. He's had strangers react viscerally as if what came out of his mouth was intentional and revealing. Yeah, because people don't know your cousin.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Like.

[Rosenberg]

Like what?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Oh, yeah, I understand that for sure.

[Rosenberg]

You can still feel hurt by the word. You can still dislike hearing it. But it's important to separate impact from intent. With Tourette's, there is no intent. Who doesn't deserve grace is the BBC. And he goes on to talk about what we just talked about.

[Laura Rosenberg]

Yeah.

[Rosenberg]

So shout out to Ed from the uk. Time to get into the rundown. Laura, you ready? Laura got the rundown.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Turn that up.

[Rosenberg]

Greens on glow when she pulled up headlines heavy, but we still caught up. Light still flashing.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

We don't slow up.

[Laura Rosenberg]

I don't know if you guys have seen that. Governor Gavin Newsom is trending all over him. And the Atlanta mayor Andre Dickens sat down for a conversation. There was an audience. Gavin Newsom was promoting his new book. Now it was not a predominantly black audience. It was a very mixed audience. I just wanted to note that because that was something that was definitely called out. Now, I was very surprised when I saw this, so I didn't think anything of it. But then I see my first. The first thing I saw was Nicki Minaj retweeting a post from an account called End Wokeness.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I've seen End Wokeness.

[Rosenberg]

I know that they hot in these algorithms.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I've seen them.

[Laura Rosenberg]

So Nikki retweets that and she says the way his way of bonding with black people is to tell him how stupid he is and that he can't read. This means that my first read was correct, that she was, you know, talking ish about him. He's been handed so many things that he put and put in high positions that he never earned or deserved. Do you want to know?

[Rosenberg]

Hold on.

[Laura Rosenberg]

Sorry, my phone is tripping. So I think we have a clip, right? Rahsaam. Check this out.

[Narrator for Gavin Newsom Clip]

This right wing troll account called N Wokeness pulled out this 38 second clip out of context and I'm gonna play it for you right now.

[Experian Short]

I'm not, you know, I'm not trying to impress you. I'm just trying to impress upon you. I'm like you. I'm no better than you. You know, I'm a 960 SAT guy. And you know, and I'm not trying to offend anyone. You know, trying to act all there if you got 940, but literally a 960sat guy.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I cannot.

[Experian Short]

You've never seen me read a speech because I cannot read a speech.

[Narrator for Gavin Newsom Clip]

Mayor Dickens asked this question, what would

[Rosenberg]

you like for the reader to know more intimately about you and how those two shepherds, two separate lives that you had together and the tough decisions you made and the risk that you had to take and even growing up with dyslexia and all that, like, what do you want us to take from that and where you are today?

[Narrator for Gavin Newsom Clip]

And with that, I'm going to take you back to the end of that N Wokeness clip and see what Gavin Newsom said right afterwards.

[Experian Short]

Maybe the wrong business to be, you know, my dyslexia, I haven't overcome dyslexia. I'm living with it. You know, I was the guy in the back of the classroom and my head down, just praying the teacher didn't call on me. I dropped, I went through. I mean, I think I lost count of how many schools I had to go to.

[Narrator for Gavin Newsom Clip]

And that's why no one who was There to hear Gavin Newsom's words was offended. Not the mayor or anyone in the audience. But of course, that didn't matter to the MAGA echo chamber.

[Rosenberg]

And. And this. This IG post goes on to explain, as Laura just did, that most of the audience was not black. It wasn't an all black audience.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

No.

[Rosenberg]

Just happened to be a black mayor.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Who was doing the interview.

[Rosenberg]

Who was doing the interview.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

That. Well, that's what makes it so disingenuous. When he says, I'm trying to be. I'm like you. I have a 960. He's saying the proverbial you. He wasn't talking about the interviewer.

[Rosenberg]

But this goes back to talking about the.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

About everyone. I'm just like everybody else.

[Laura Rosenberg]

This is living with dyslexia.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

It's.

[Rosenberg]

But this is the play they ra. Hillary with the hot sauce in the purse play.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yep.

[Rosenberg]

This is the play they ran on Biden with the if you don't vote for me, you ain't black play.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yep.

[Rosenberg]

The whole.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

These are all Breakfast Club plays.

[Rosenberg]

The whole. The whole, like, Internet running with this idea that the white politician try. Is trying to connect to the black audience in an offensive way. Well, just lowest common denominator, you know, stereotypical connection.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

But that's also been the Republican trying to convince black people that Democrats are always placating them and you shouldn't be with Democrats. That's their playbook that they've had for a very long time. Yes. These people don't care about you. They're using you. We care about you. We just don't reflect it with any policy.

[Rosenberg]

We're gonna get rid of books. We're gonna get rid of museums. We're gonna get rid of history. We're gonna erase history. We're also gonna defund things that support communities that happen to be black.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yeah. We're gonna say Black Lives Matter is a terrorist organization. We're gonna try to strip away, you know, Martin Luther King's holiday. In fact, we didn't even want to give him a holiday in the first place. But it's the Democrats. They're really the bad side. And you should know that. Look how they talk to you. And in fact, I mean, the thing that concerns me is, I mean, Gavin, I did 960. Yo, my man, I don't know. You may have lost me, bruh. Not 60. Listen, I have no problem.

[Rosenberg]

When Gavin was taking it. That was when. How many?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

No, that's. That's when. That's the regular. That's from our childhood that's 1600.

[Rosenberg]

Yeah, but you get. How many points is like 250, 300?

[Laura Rosenberg]

Yeah, I think it's like.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yeah, I think it's 300. Wait, listen, I. I have one friend who got a 960. He. I love him. He's a great guy. Our inside joke with him always was him going, I'm dumb. It's not really true. Anyone can have a nine.

[Rosenberg]

You can have a bad test.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Of course you can. But that is funny, though, to be trying to become the highest office in the land with a 960. I have to admit, it's actually quite relatable. It is. It is cool that he shared that experience with people.

[Rosenberg]

And I think it's the dyslexia part. More than 960, you're focused on the score.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Well, the dyslexia is what led to the 960.

[Rosenberg]

Yeah. Taking a test is very hard when you have dyslexia.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I would imagine so. Yeah. Yeah.

[Laura Rosenberg]

And other news, Floyd Mayweather. And speaking of. Speaking of bad test scores, they're bad guys. They're back to face off in a professional. Wait, Boxing rematch.

[Rosenberg]

You don't know what Floyd did on sat.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

You know, Floyd. Floyd, let's not. Floyd struggles a bit. I don't know if he took SATs, but Floyd and Reading are not friends. And if you. If you've heard his beliefs on Israel over the last few years, you know, Reading is still not his friend.

[Rosenberg]

Yeah, he's just. He's on the grift. He's on.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Big on the grift, so. But I will say I am, like, somewhat intrigued by, like, the Tyson Mayweather thing is absolutely absurd. And you guys say that. You know, I say that as the biggest Tyson guy there is.

[Laura Rosenberg]

Yes.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

No interest. I have no interest in seeing Mike Tyson. Floyd Mayweather, I don't. Sorry.

[Rosenberg]

I don't even know how that works.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I want Mike to get a bag. Great. Sounds fun.

[Rosenberg]

Physically speaking, I don't know how this works. It's silly. What does this even look like?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

It's.

[Rosenberg]

It's going to be silly because Floyd could still move. Based on training videos and things I've seen.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yeah.

[Rosenberg]

The last fights that we've seen of Mike trying to move were the very last one. He was not moving. Well.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

No.

[Rosenberg]

I don't even know how this works.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

So they're still doing that for whatever reason now it seems like. Did Floyd really want to do that? Because now he's set up to have a professional, a real fight against Manny in September in Vegas, and they're saying that's the sphere, which is fire. I am interested in what that's going to look like.

[Rosenberg]

The bat. Now, listen, they're both.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Floyd turns 49 today, I think, and Manny's 47. Yeah, Manny's still fighting, though. Manny's fought in the last year or so. I am curious to see if Floyd still looks good.

[Rosenberg]

I didn't like the last pack y'

[Charlamagne Tha God]

all made with him, and that was like eight years ago.

[Rosenberg]

You're not gonna like this one. I hate to break to everyone. They're using you and you're. And we're all probably gonna spend the money.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

It's Netflix. Don't worry.

[Laura Rosenberg]

Netflix. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Don't worry.

[Rosenberg]

You already spend on Netflix just throwing

[Charlamagne Tha God]

the bags around, so don't worry about it. But. But I am interested. I'm like, listen, of all the ridiculous stuff we've gotten over the last couple years, this is not as bad. This is better than Jake Paul.

[Rosenberg]

No, you're right. What's the purse? Does anybody know?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I don't think we know the number yet.

[Rosenberg]

I need to know the number.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Can I tell? Want me to give you a hand? It's gonna be a lot of money. They're gonna make a lot of 50, 100.

[Rosenberg]

How many rounds? And this is going 10.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

It's a real. It's a real fight. So it's gotta be 10 or 12 rounds, proper gloves, the whole nine.

[Laura Rosenberg]

Let's see. First fight of the sphere.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I mean, listen, it's ridiculous, don't get me wrong, but you guys remember when George Foreman coming back was insane and his comeback started when he was like 39 and people were like, this is the oldest man we've ever seen trying to do anything.

[Rosenberg]

I mean, Mike's 60. Mike's 60.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

He's almost 60.

[Rosenberg]

Crazy.

[Laura Rosenberg]

Also, congratulations.

[Rosenberg]

You played.

[Laura Rosenberg]

So the Voice is expanding its on air team for season 29, adding Drew Ski.

[Rosenberg]

Okay, Drew Ski.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Get the right.

[Laura Rosenberg]

I thought this was super. He's gonna be a special commentator. He's. He's covering the Voice, Battle of the Champions, and according to Deadline, he's the first ever official commentator and he's basically gonna give all his opinions to Kelly Clarkson, John Legend, Adam Levine. So.

[Rosenberg]

So they've created.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Guys, he's gonna make jokes.

[Rosenberg]

Yeah. They've created a position for him. Somebody saw the amount of social media pull that he gets.

[Laura Rosenberg]

That's right.

[Rosenberg]

They gave him a huge bag. Love that for him. I gotta say, though, his eye for talent. I've seen his.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yeah.

[Rosenberg]

Do you guys think he's got the eye for talent based on his show. What's his show called?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

What you call it? Records.

[Laura Rosenberg]

Could have been.

[Rosenberg]

Could have been records. Could have been records, you think? Could have been records. Got the big signing, they got the

[Charlamagne Tha God]

eye, they, you know, listen, I think it's a good fit for him, and I'm happy he bounced back because. Yeah, excuse me. He did not get rave reviews at the NFL honors.

[Rosenberg]

Really? I didn't even see that that happened.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

No, it wasn't good. If you don't let me say this. If you're offended by the N word at award shows, then you probably wouldn't have loved his moment at the NFL. He got up there with Barry Sanders. I believe it was Barry Sanders. And he's giving the ward to Njigba from Seattle.

[Laura Rosenberg]

Oh, yes.

[Rosenberg]

I didn't see this at all.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

And he intent. He basically intentionally said his name wrong as a joke and basically said the N word like three times in a row. Yeah. And no one was happy.

[Rosenberg]

Yeah, no one was happy. Oh, that's not good. That's not what you want.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Barry didn't look happy.

[Laura Rosenberg]

It was.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I think it was Barry, right? Yeah, Barry didn't look happy. The NFL, I don't think, was happy. And Jigba, obviously having the best season of his life. He's about to go to the super

[Rosenberg]

bowl, and he probably wasn't happy.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Probably don't want the N word being played. He's probably had people play with that before.

[Rosenberg]

Yeah.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Probably didn't like it. But Drew Ski, I love this for him, this is a great bounce back because his videos, I was saying to someone the other day who didn't really know, like, they just like, oh, Drew Ski, another one of these, you know, online, blah, blah, blah. I'm like, nah, bro. Drew Ski sketches are borderline brilliant. Like, they're really, really fun.

[Rosenberg]

Well, and the amount of effort put into them.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

No, he puts work in.

[Rosenberg]

They're really, really effort. The editing effort. His. Him and his team are doing work.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

No, they are.

[Rosenberg]

And it's overdue. And I, I see people saying it's. It's overdue for a TV show or some sort of show. I agree with that. Tv, it ain't tv. It's a matter of him deciding, do I want to give you a weekly sketch comedy outside of social media. That's the convo. People throw this thing around like television is the end all, be all. It's not.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Well, and also remember, when he does these on his own and he drops them on social, they'll get between the different platforms, we're talking about like 30 million views. No TV is getting that well.

[Rosenberg]

And his YouTube, I'm sure, is ca.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yeah, yeah, for sure. Everything's taking off.

[Rosenberg]

Because that's TV now. No, you know what? TV. That's why we're here every day. Eight o'.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Clock. Correct. It's so much that other people want to even Jack our style. Blood in the Water. But Blood in the Water, it's. It's. He. He's getting plenty of money doing what he's doing. The only TV that he does is commercials.

[Rosenberg]

T Mobile.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Big national tv. Sports commercials.

[Rosenberg]

Yeah.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yeah.

[Laura Rosenberg]

So big for him.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Nice. Cool. I'm excited for Drew Ski.

[Laura Rosenberg]

Man. That was the rundown.

[Rosenberg]

Laura got the rundown.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Turned out.

[Rosenberg]

Let's.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Let's shout out some of this super chat, too.

[Rosenberg]

Headlines heavy, but we still caught up.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

It's now an outro.

[Rosenberg]

Also intro and outro.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Wow, I didn't know.

[Rosenberg]

Super Chat time.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Turbo J's back at it. Shouts to Issa out there, locking down. Cynthia Cunningham says edit Prince William is the president of bafta. That's all I'm gonna say. Hey, I don't know if I know exactly what that means, but she don't trust the Brits in general.

[Rosenberg]

The English have a history that is facts.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

SAG Griffith says let Devlin do the lowdown. He's. Devlin's not here today. Pac man versus Floyd. Cell X23 says it has his attention. S Sarati says shout out to Coach Kev. Those girls are his life. Elr. Keep up the great work.

[Rosenberg]

There you go.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Got a Coach Kev fan in here.

[Rosenberg]

All right. He knows who coach. Coach Kev is out here coaching a lot of young ladies and a lot of young athletes down in Staten island, too.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

And Cel x23 also says put 50 vs ti on the undercar for Manny vs Floyd.

[Rosenberg]

They not throwing hands. We can't even get 50 Cent to throw up raps.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Well, he'd be more.

[Rosenberg]

He'll throw up memes. He'll do a meme battle.

[Laura Rosenberg]

That's my dad.

[Rosenberg]

He is. He.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

That is true. He will throw up a meme. He's not throwing up a song. And probably not throwing hands.

[Rosenberg]

Definitely not let me. And by the way, you don't want ti I don't believe. I mean just weight class. 50 Cent is a used to box like he's. That's documented. I don't. You know, I'm sure TI could do his thing, but just on a weight class. Even if they're both actual jacks up 50 jacks. He's a big dude, man.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Who, who is out there, you think that has the, like, the witness, the. The stick to itiveness and the. The nastiness to truly go toe to toe with 50, where like, when he's.

[Rosenberg]

We also got to have the reach 38 million.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

You gotta have the reach.

[Rosenberg]

50. Got 38 million on Instagram.

[Laura Rosenberg]

Yeah, that's tough.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Who could that even be? Is there anyone out there who could really want it with him? And, and. And go back and forth.

[Rosenberg]

And you have to think outside of hip hop.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I would have said Nikki before she. We, you know, found out she's half bots. Because 50s are real people. I don't think 50's paying bots. These are people who are engaged in stuff.

[Rosenberg]

Yeah. 38 million. I don't know. I really don't know. First name that came to my mind was just crazy enough to go, go, go off. But maybe that's because they matched up with a album release battle was Kanye. But I don't think Kanye has the stick to itiveness and you don't have the humor. No, that's the part is 50 is also coming with humor.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Now. 50 is pretty funny. I mean, sometimes it's base, but it's funny. It's still generally funny. Yeah, I don't think Kanye has any more either.

[Rosenberg]

Yeah, no, the problem is nobody wants it with the 50 cent. He's the eight ball jacket man.

[Laura Rosenberg]

The chat is of the Internet, Busta Rhymes, the game.

[Rosenberg]

Buster and 50 have thrown shots at each other. That's happened. Yeah, they definitely kind of did a little. I feel like I remember a little back and forth with a couple of memes.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Oh, yeah, that sounds right.

[Rosenberg]

You know what I mean? But it didn't go, you know, didn't end up going on tour because it was members 50 and bust on that. On that G Unit tour that was just last year.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

If someone's trying to make fun of 50 Cent, the number one best way to make fun of 50 is just the fact that he does this for an entire concert. That is a fact. That is a.

[Rosenberg]

You want to smoke with 50? No, but I'm just saying, I feel like. You teeing up. I feel like. Yo, Fifth. You watching this?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

That would be hot.

[Rosenberg]

Now you watching it, Rosen? Rosenberg's trying to figure out his angle.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

That's the only angle anyone can have. What else are you gonna say? He's successful in every other way.

[Rosenberg]

Too tight. Maybe his shirts too?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

No, his shirts are crazy tight.

[Rosenberg]

But he's. See There you go. I baited you into it. But he's in good shape. Yo, Fifth, you saying this guy. That's the thing.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

If I was in good shape, I wear tight.

[Rosenberg]

He's not in the same shape he used to be.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

No. See, 50, you see this? 50, see this? Your man's on the bicycle calling you out, saying you're not in shape anymore. You know what, though? It would be good for the show. Oh, God. And he won't buy this location. He's not buying.

[Rosenberg]

He's not buying this one.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

He's not biased.

[Rosenberg]

I don't know, bro. Bro got big money. I don't know what the.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

What the lease is on this, but there's history.

[Rosenberg]

I think that. So the piece of the other. The Jim Jones fab thing was they were in a deal with the owner of the building.

[Laura Rosenberg]

That's what that was.

[Rosenberg]

I think the deal that they had so that they had the space was to give revenue from the show to pay for the space.

[Laura Rosenberg]

That makes sense, right?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

And then.

[Rosenberg]

So then that way, you know, 50 could come in, and. That's not our deal here. We don't have, like, a joint venture with the owner of the building. We're just. We're just paying to be here. Straight up and down. Just cut the check. Yeah, but I guess if we fell behind. If we. If. Listen, if we don't get sponsors.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yeah. Then we're trouble.

[Rosenberg]

I mean, we got the Patreon peoples, y' all coming through. The merch buying peoples, y' all coming through. Yeah, you know, the like and subscribe people. Y' all helping the YouTube algorithm. I'm told commercials pop up pretty nicely. We're not in control of those commercials that pop up.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

You can be.

[Rosenberg]

We're not. Yet.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

But we're not. We're not doing it yet. Yesterday, the great Carl Banks texted me.

[Rosenberg]

Okay.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

He said, I'm trying to buy Merch, but it's sold out. Congratulations. But when's the restock?

[Rosenberg]

Dope. Thanks, Carl.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

That's Carl Banks, bro. Carl Banks. That's the Legend. It's one of the greatest linebackers of all time. To umv. What are we doing?

[Rosenberg]

Listen, bro, we need to get this man a shirt.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

That's Starter. He owns Starter. We could do much. Should we do a Starter. Should we do an El army starter jacket?

[Laura Rosenberg]

Oh, or a jersey.

[Rosenberg]

Will he collab with us?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Now? The jacket would be hard, though. Warm up the El army satin. Warm up or what Colors.

[Rosenberg]

But we're not doing Redskins colors.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

No, I wouldn't want commanders. I Wouldn't do that either.

[Rosenberg]

Whatever they're called.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

But you could do like military. Like the greenish kind of.

[Rosenberg]

Can we do it the ELR military army green starter kind of. Would you do shiny material or like a. You mean satin matte or. Yeah, the satin material or like a matte color.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Well, they only do. I mean. Well, they do satin and then they. They do like pullovers and parkas and stuff too, you know.

[Rosenberg]

But that is to love those pullovers. Back in the day, what I never liked.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I still have my. My penguin starter pullovers. Fire.

[Rosenberg]

I don't know why I never liked them.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Why they're so good. The start.

[Rosenberg]

I love the regular jacket. I was always a regular starter jacket guy.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

No, the regular starter jacket was great too. But to pull over. I don't know. There's something about the look that I just always thought was great, but I see why you didn't like. You. You just probably wouldn't like the idea of like pulling it over your head.

[Rosenberg]

Yeah, I didn't like it. That's still to this day. Don't really like a pullover.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Right. Like. I hear you, but it was. They look great.

[Laura Rosenberg]

Chad's debating no satin. Matte satin. But this could be a good idea. I think. I think we should.

[Rosenberg]

Well, guys. Carl. Carl Banks. Oh, he's still Woodstarter. Yes.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yeah, it's his. He bought it. No, no, he got it.

[Rosenberg]

We have not confirmed. We're just coming up with this right now.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Now he'd be up for it, though, because him and I have talked about collabs before. He's very open.

[Rosenberg]

Oh, the El Army. Start a collab. Also, I've started working on hats. A hat plug. Like an actual new era plug. I don't know if do we want actual fitted new eras or do we want adjustables?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I think we want more dad hat and adjustable these days.

[Rosenberg]

Really?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I don't know. I mean, we are. We do have sort of an old fan base. You know what I'm saying? They're still wearing Tim's and the big. And the big seven. Yeah.

[Laura Rosenberg]

We should do a poll.

[Rosenberg]

You guys want to starter fitted, starter adjustable or dad.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

You mean new era.

[Rosenberg]

A new era. Yeah.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I like the new. I would go new era adjustable. I no longer wear. I have to admit, I no longer want to put.

[Rosenberg]

I wear fit sometimes. I like fit. No, no, I rotate. I just had one on at Easter's party. Had a Yankee fear of God. It was like an old school fitted wool. Fitted. They meant.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I always struggle with them and. And my Ears.

[Rosenberg]

Now, they do have the low profiles that people like.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

The low profiles are better for the ears.

[Rosenberg]

Oh, why? Because the crown goes too low on

[Charlamagne Tha God]

your ghost and I have to choose between have my ears folded out or tuck them in.

[Laura Rosenberg]

You have to.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yeah, but neither is a good choice.

[Rosenberg]

Maybe you need to wear a smaller hat, go with a smaller size.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I guess you're right. But then it's not fitting on the dome piece. My head only just gets bigger every year. Oh.

[Laura Rosenberg]

Shout out to blaze 73:11 thank you for the love. The monetary love.

[Rosenberg]

Nah, it's beautiful. Thanks. Yo, are we excited? I am. I don't know about we, but I am. Jay Z. 30 years reasonable doubt. They just put dead presidents two on the. On the streaming services. Rosenberg, I saw you post the whole thing on your social media about.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I did. I thought it was cool just because I think a lot of people don't remember that anymore. That originally it wasn't Dead Presidents 2 about dead presidents.

[Rosenberg]

Dead originals. The original.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

So. So the. He put out the original single now on streaming services. Because when the album came out, it was a different version of the song.

[Rosenberg]

That's right.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

And you have to be sort of a nerd or a DJ to remember the original Dead Presidents. That was the video. That was that single cover of him driving. That whole version was kind of forgotten because they put the new lyrics version on the album. So I thought that was like a little warm up. It seemed like to get people ready for reasonable doubt 30.

[Rosenberg]

It took me right back. I had a record pool at the time.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Okay.

[Rosenberg]

And you know, I got. I mean, I serviced DJs from North Pause.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Whoa.

[Rosenberg]

From Northern California all the way to Seattle. Shout to Cutfather up in Seattle and his crew up.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Oh, yeah.

[Rosenberg]

But I remember when that vinyl came in, it was highly anti.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

The priority one with the COVID Yeah, the main one with the main cover.

[Rosenberg]

Yeah.

[Laura Rosenberg]

You still have it, Rosenberg.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Oh, yeah, of course. And I. Well, before that, I have a dead. I have a dead President's promo where the B side is an album sampler.

[Rosenberg]

Yeah.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

And there's like five songs on the back, including Can't Knock the Hustle without Mary J. Blige.

[Laura Rosenberg]

That's cool.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

That's cool. I think it's just no singing.

[Rosenberg]

I mean, there's no singing.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

There's just no singing at all. It's just the. Which I thought was fire. I actually, I, I. Yo, man, y' all don't even know. I'm so, I'm so down with Jay Z from. From day one. I Remember hearing the marriage having to get adjusted to the Mary J version. I'm like, okay, sing it. It's a little sing songy, you know. Of course I was, hey, why you

[Rosenberg]

got this girl singing?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

We need another Mary. You gotta get Mary on your album. Because it was 96. If you get the Mary feature. That was the big marquee thing to do. He got the Mary feature, he got the Biggie feature. Are those the two big. Those are the two big features on the album. But nah, I'm excited to celebrate 30 years of reasonable Doubt. I mean, I know we've celebrated it before. Let's be clear. The 10 year Reasonable Doubt album concert was a big deal.

[Rosenberg]

2006, that was a big deal.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yo, that was 20. It's been 20 since that. Yeah, that's insane.

[Laura Rosenberg]

I know.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Where was the concert again?

[Rosenberg]

2006, it was.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

It was Radio City, I believe. I think he did radio city in 2006. Yeah, I think my brother went and has the shirt that's fire.

[Laura Rosenberg]

Yeah, well, he dropped his website. Jay Z 30. I wonder what else he's gonna.

[Rosenberg]

Well, there's got. There's gotta be vinyl. There's gonna be. I'm positive there's gonna be some sort of like museums and these sort of things. Memorabilia, I'm sure all of that sort of thing.

[Laura Rosenberg]

Because the Brooklyn Museum exhibition was amazing.

[Rosenberg]

That was really Brooklyn Library.

[Laura Rosenberg]

I mean, excuse me. The library.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yeah, I missed it.

[Laura Rosenberg]

It was really cool. I really enjoyed it.

[Rosenberg]

You didn't go over there for that?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

No, missed it.

[Laura Rosenberg]

It was dope.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I'm one of the eight people in the industry who wasn't invited. So at that point I protested once. Once. The invite didn't come in. I wasn't going with the regular.

[Rosenberg]

Was it an invite thing?

[Laura Rosenberg]

Yes, at the beginning it was invite.

[TaxAct Advertiser]

Yes, of course.

[Laura Rosenberg]

I think I just went.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Well, you did because you're a good person and you live in Brooklyn.

[Laura Rosenberg]

Yeah, I just went and it was.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I'm a bad person. I don't live in Brooklyn. So I was waiting for my offended.

[Rosenberg]

You played yourself.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

No, I am disappointed. It sounded pretty cool.

[Rosenberg]

I wonder if it was very dope.

[Laura Rosenberg]

Like a secret show. Imagine a little pop up show.

[Rosenberg]

You think hov does a show?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Well, he did.

[Laura Rosenberg]

An intimate one would be fire.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I went to his last intimate show.

[Laura Rosenberg]

Which one?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

The B side show. That was at Webster Hole, 2018 or 19.

[Rosenberg]

I was at like Terminal.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

No, no, I think it was Webster Hall.

[Laura Rosenberg]

Webster Hall. I remember because I remember when you and Nas.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

He brought Nas out. He brought Cam out. If I recall, I went to that. I remember because it was during my bad days. I was solo Dolo. I was not doing good. I was not doing good at that time, but I still went. I think I was, like, staying in a hotel or living God knows where.

[Rosenberg]

Do you mean bad? Like, relationship bad?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yeah. Like, I was out. I was out. I was. I was out bouncing around in these streets.

[Laura Rosenberg]

Right, right, right.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

But I did go. I think I rolled Dolo to that show. And it was dope. It was dope. I'd be excited for, you know, Listen, it's important to celebrate this piece. Like, no matter how much like, we celebrate Jay Z, and it can get very big and lofty. And, you know, I'm not always big on focusing on his corporate exploits. Like, everyone will be like, oh, marveling at his business. I don't really care about that. Not that I don't think it's impressive, but, like, I'm not really big into the celebration of billionaires, no matter if I like them or not.

[Rosenberg]

You're not big in the celebration of business?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I'm not big in the celebration of business, and I'm certainly not big in the celebration of, like, billions of.

[Rosenberg]

You don't even like business.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I'm not particular.

[Rosenberg]

You hate business.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I wouldn't go that far. That might be true, too. But, like, you know, if I found out someone went from zero to, like, a million, Cool story, bro. What I hear, once we've gone from like, 200 million to 900 million, I'm

[Rosenberg]

like, all right, man.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I don't care anymore. But the celebration of Jay's music, I'll never get bored of. I mean, he's the art.

[Rosenberg]

You love the art.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

The art is. He is, man. I was listening to a Jay Z freestyle on Flex the other day from. I don't even remember which era it was from. Yo, man, he just had these moments that were so special, and we've gotten so removed from him, and he's become such a big, larger than life thing that it's easy to forget. That's the thing I always want him to remind people of. That's why it's important to celebrate reasonable doubt 30 because of that.

[Laura Rosenberg]

That's exactly why I think an intimate show would be super dope. It would just make it special.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

What if he did? But why? Why go intimate, though? Like, maybe go big arena. Maybe go msg, though, for one. Reasonable doubt. You play the whole album at msg, that would be fire, too.

[Rosenberg]

I'm with whatever. Whatever they decide. I'm with it.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

You haven't heard anything yet.

[Laura Rosenberg]

And obviously, guys, wishful thinking. We don't know anything.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Well, I'm gonna try to dig into it.

[Laura Rosenberg]

Well, at least Rosenberg and I don't know.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yeah, who knows?

[Rosenberg]

Well, Rosenberg, you're a journalist. Are you doing any journaling on this Jay Z thing? You were there at the beginning. Yeah, we talked about any passion towards, like, really trying to.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Well, I believe it's four months and 14 days between now and the anniversary of reasonable death.

[Rosenberg]

Really?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I believe that's right, yes.

[Laura Rosenberg]

Okay. That's enough time.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

That's enough time. So I was trying to think about, you know, how. What would be a good method to do it? Is it a Patreon vehicle?

[Rosenberg]

Okay.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Where we can play the music? Because that's the nice part, is that if we do it on Patreon, we could play music so that way we could get some. I was looking up. I was like, looking at the producer track list for the album and seeing, like, obviously we can't get Clark on the show anymore, but I have lots of Clark audio of Clark talking about,

[Rosenberg]

don't we have Clark? We have a lot of Clark.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yeah, we do, from our show. And I have multiple one ups with him.

[Laura Rosenberg]

But Primo will be fire.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

He's always, yeah, Primo could come up here and do it. There's a lot of people who could do it. By the way, Ski. I don't think I've ever talked to Ski. I think that would be awesome.

[Rosenberg]

Amazing. I don't. I don't know if anybody's talking to Ski.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Ski's around Ski's. And that's really my intro to Jay Z. I know there's some people even before that. My intro to Jay Z is not Hawaiian Sophie. I'm not that old school. My. I don't really remember Hawaiian Sophie like that. My intro to Jay Z is really original flavor. And that was Ski's group for people who don't realize he was the producer, the emcee. And then Ski produced in my lifetime. Produced on this album was a really, like, there are multiple people who are key. I was also thinking it would be great to get Dame, Dame, Dame. Like, could Dame put aside any of the bull ish and say, listen, we don't want to. We can do two conversations if you want to have one where you just go dame dash. And do your Dame Dash thing. Knock yourself out. We'll give you the floor. We don't have to agree with what you're saying, but knock yourself out. But what we really want to do is put that aside and talk about the greatness that you were a part of, of building with him. Like, can he do that still? I think he can.

[Rosenberg]

I saw a clip the other day. I'm not sure.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

You're not.

[Laura Rosenberg]

I don't think so.

[Rosenberg]

I'm not convinced.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Dame, I have faith that you can have a conversation about the greatness of reasonable doubt coming together without it being about what's happened since. I think. I think you can.

[Laura Rosenberg]

I just don't think he wants to.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

But. But, yo, but that's part of your legacy. That's part of your legacy, too.

[Laura Rosenberg]

Wasn't there a clip where he was like, I don't want to talk about that, man.

[Rosenberg]

Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

[Laura Rosenberg]

And I was like, okay. That's why I'm assuming, because it goes

[Rosenberg]

back to what I said about 50 yesterday. Not everybody cares about the hip hop culture like that anymore, bro. They just. There's. There's a lot of us that do, and there's some significant individuals that they just not here for all that, man. They're just not all that hipping and hopping. And I hear, what's the bag looking like? What am I getting out of it? That's it.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

And in some cases, and I would argue actually in the case of dame and 50, that's kind of who they were from the beginning.

[TaxAct Advertiser]

Yeah.

[Rosenberg]

It was all about.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

It was all the hustle.

[Rosenberg]

About the hustle and getting money.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Jay and his music was the angle to getting money.

[Rosenberg]

Well, and Jay cared about the craft

[Charlamagne Tha God]

and the art, but that was his job. Job, bigs and dates.

[Rosenberg]

But also ultimately ended up care about caring about the hustle. I think it's how you go after them.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

But Jay does care about the.

[Rosenberg]

The beauty of Jay is he cares about both.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

He definitely.

[Rosenberg]

But that's my point. My point is, is there are individuals that understand that when the art is great and the craftsmanship is great, you get to the bread that you've always wanted to get to.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Right.

[Rosenberg]

Some people, it's just a. They clamoring, they hustling, they grabbing, they moving, they thrashing and burning.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yeah. And it's a means to an end.

[Rosenberg]

And it's a means.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Let's get that. But, like, I think it's important with Jay Z, we celebrate the music. And I know, listen, I'm not even looking at the chat. I'm sure there are some people being like, he's a billionaire monster. He's on Epstein Island. He's, yo, bro, when I hosted Rakim I don't remember if I told you guys this or not. When I hosted a Rakim, it was a small show at SOBS and I got on stage and when I was doing my intro, I forget what I said, but I was trying to get to a point and I just said the line casually being silly. I said, as we sit here on Beyonce's green earth or something like that, bro, I got like a handful of effers.

[Laura Rosenberg]

Oh my God.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

From the crowd. Like, these are from people who love hip hop but have been so poisoned by the all people who make money are ultimately evil. They're doing bad things. They don't have any. They're ignoring any of the things that she's saying culturally or, you know, that are important that that sentiment exists.

[Rosenberg]

No, no, no. People don't like rich people. Especially really, really, really rich people. There's that and then there's. And then there's people who don't like, you know, when you are black or brown or whatever community you come from and they, they don't like that you're so out of, out of reach for them.

[Laura Rosenberg]

I think that's it. I think that because Beyonce is never in any, you know, never feeding into the bs. She's not the typical artist right now. We know everything about everybody. They share all their personal life. She doesn't. She protects her peace. And I think that people don't like that. They don't like that.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

It's true.

[Laura Rosenberg]

Accessible.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yeah. It annoys them.

[Laura Rosenberg]

Yeah.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Whereas I respect when you get to a certain ilk.

[Laura Rosenberg]

Yeah.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

See, I'm the opposite. I think when you're on the come up, I expect you to have conversations and be outside and people get to know you. But then if you get to a certain place, I like when you become rare and more special. Now I wish one day I do think Beyonce is due for an actual conversation that has a back and forth that's not produced by her own production company.

[Rosenberg]

And what do you mean by do? What does that mean?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Like, we haven't heard from her in a real. You just never hear from her conversationally. It would just be cool. Just as a fan, as a late fan, as someone who's become like a huge fan over the last five years. I'm like, man, in that time, she never has conversations.

[Rosenberg]

I. I'm on. I. I guess I empathize with people

[Charlamagne Tha God]

who don't want to have conversations. We know.

[Rosenberg]

Because I don't want to have conversations, especially about just like, then imagine if you were Beyonce. I would absolutely. My music this Is the only convo I want to have my art. This is it. I don't. Is this enough? It's not enough, y'.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

All.

[Laura Rosenberg]

I could see her job.

[Rosenberg]

It's not enough that you guys know my children, speculate about my children, my husband.

[Laura Rosenberg]

We don't know enough.

[Rosenberg]

We. You've seen my s. Go off on an elevator. You heard it all in the music. You know my mom, you know my dad. You know what my dad's gone through. It's all. And then I've written songs about it.

[Laura Rosenberg]

We want the team.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yeah, we want.

[Rosenberg]

What else do you want?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

People listen, Listen. Even Michael talked every once in a while. Even Michael, you know, wanted to get out there.

[Rosenberg]

Michael lied. Let's be honest.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Well, sometimes a lot, sure.

[Rosenberg]

But I appreciate we're talking about Michael Jackson.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

What other Michael we talk. Who else gets a first? Michael Jordan.

[Rosenberg]

Jordan gets a mj? Well, no, he gets an mg. No, they both get mj, don't they?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

If you're talking about basketball and you say Michael. If you're not talking about basketball and you say Michael, it's Jackson.

[Laura Rosenberg]

Jackson. Yeah.

[Rosenberg]

Yes.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yeah. Just so you know.

[Rosenberg]

But we were talking about music, so I should have got it. But I believe that Michael gave you what he wanted to give you and

[Charlamagne Tha God]

when he felt he needed to. Because the things that were getting said about him were too bad.

[Rosenberg]

Right. Because he didn't have social media.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

That's true.

[Rosenberg]

So he had to go to journalists, he had to go talk to people.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

He had to fight against the wacko Jacko of the New York Post because

[Rosenberg]

he didn't have another outlet.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Right.

[Rosenberg]

And they. And he didn't have independence then. You didn't have independent distribution. Imagine what Michael Jackson would have done with the ability to go straight to a DSP through Instagram.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I wonder if he would have ever done that. He never left Epic. Right.

[Rosenberg]

That's what.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yeah.

[Laura Rosenberg]

He would have grown with the times.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Maybe. I don't know. Some people like that are too big ever.

[Rosenberg]

Prince didn't do a lot of interviews. He let his music talk.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Facts.

[Rosenberg]

And. And he went independent and went direct to consumer early.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yeah, very much so. Yeah, very true. Prince and Michael were very different. We throw them in, like, conversation together. They're so different musically, what they were trying to do, how they operated. Prince was outside. Michael, as an older guy, was not outside.

[Rosenberg]

Well, that was another thing. Prince was definitely just popping up places you could see him.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yes, Michael was not outside. Well, after. After, After Thriller, he's not outside. It looks like the movie by the way it looks like the movie ends at, like, Thriller. Right.

[Rosenberg]

Like the play.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

That. That's. That's what it looks like, right?

[Rosenberg]

That's what I've been told. Yeah. I haven't seen the movie, but.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Well, the trailer. The trailer, though, it looks like he.

[Rosenberg]

He.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

It's the dad. It's Joe talking about the tour and the Jacksons. And then you can clearly see Motown, the Motown anniversary show. And then you can see, like, the glove. You see that he's getting to Thriller. Yeah, but I think it ends there.

[Rosenberg]

Do you. Where are you at on the conspiracies with Mike's Free Palestine song? That goes around the Internet all the time?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I haven't. Ebro. You know what? I haven't seen this.

[Rosenberg]

You haven't seen this?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

No.

[Rosenberg]

The whole, like, Jackson. Michael Jackson dying after he put out his Free Palestine song.

[Laura Rosenberg]

No.

[Rosenberg]

And basically all of the, like, Wacko Jacko and all of the kids and all of the stories and all this stuff coming for him after he put out his Free Palestine song.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Well, how many different things are they going to have for blaming the Jews for mj? Because the other.

[Rosenberg]

But it's about Israel.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yeah, but the first one was another blame the Jews. The other one was the Jews at the label were giving him a hard time. Are you saying it's connected?

[Rosenberg]

I don't know if it's connected because that was. I don't know that I didn't. I'm not that deep in the conspiracy. I was just wondering if you saw it.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I never seen that. I was. I. I know the Jews at the labels wouldn't let him do anything. And so that's when he did. Sue me, Jew me, kick me, kike me.

[Rosenberg]

But wasn't that Tommy Mottola? He wasn't Jewish. He was Italian.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Was it Tommy Mottola? No, Tommy Motola was Columbia.

[Rosenberg]

But that was. So he was the head of Sony at the time.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I thought, well, then why did Michael say Subi Jumi?

[Rosenberg]

Maybe because of the lawyers were Jewish. I don't know.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Maybe we shouldn't look into that lyric. That maybe it wasn't a great lyric to start out with in retrospect. But. Wait, so. No, there's another one that says he made a pro Palestine song.

[Rosenberg]

Yeah, he has a Pro Palestine song on the Internet.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

On the. What do you mean on the Internet?

[Rosenberg]

Because I don't know if it ever actually came out.

[Laura Rosenberg]

Yes.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Did it? Did it come out or not? I'm asking Gemini.

[Rosenberg]

Ask Claude.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

What? Yo, are you working for Claude?

[Rosenberg]

Nah, I just keep Hearing people talk about Claude.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Actual song about freeing Palestine. Let's see what Gemini says. Come on. Come on, Gemini. The short answer is Michael Jackson never released or recorded a studio song about Palestine. However, there is a real physical piece of history that links him to the subject. Here's the breakdown. Thank you, Gemini. The Palestine don't cry poem, 1993 while there's no recording, Michael Jackson did write a poem or working lyrics titled Palestine Don't Cry 1993. The lyrics were written on a British Airways Concord stationary. These handwritten sheets surfaced publicly when they were sold at a Julian's auction event in 2014. The text includes lines such as, I will pray for you, O Palestine, God's place for you. It never progressed. Progressed past the writing stage. There's no evidence that a demo or professional recording was ever made by Michael. The AI misconception 2024-2026 so yeah, now videos have gone viral, but it's not,

[Rosenberg]

it's not a request, just a poem.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

No, it does say they don't care about us. People often associate MJ with the Palestinian cause because of his 1995 hit, they don't Care About Us. While the song was originally written about police brutality and social injustice in the United States, specifically the Rodney King beating, its lyrics about human rights and government neglect have made a popular anthem for various global movements, including those in Palestine. I love that it just includes though it does include assume me, Jew me, kick me, kick me.

[Rosenberg]

What in the Gemini thing?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

No, but I just hate that that's. He included that and they don't care about us.

[Rosenberg]

Oh, right, right, right, right.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Cuz he was mad about the label thing and whatever Jewish person he was having a bad time with at that moment.

[Rosenberg]

Hey, listen, man.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Hey, we all make a song every once in a while and say Zoomy Jimmy.

[Rosenberg]

I mean, people yell out the N word at bat.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

And people yell out the N word of the bad, by the way. It's so funny though, like, the source of the thing matters so much. Like there's so much to say about Michael. Right? There's so much problematic stuff that exists and I firmly decided, like I am in the. I am choosing to not believe the bad.

[Rosenberg]

Yeah, I'm not there. I'm not with you.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Enjoy the me.

[Rosenberg]

I have to. There's. There's many different Michaels.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

We know, we know.

[Rosenberg]

I love Michael up to Thriller. Then it gets, it gets, you know, one, two, skip a few after Thriller.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Well, no, no, the one, two, skip a few isn't what we're talking about. We're talking about the. You know, the. The.

[Rosenberg]

Well, even the. Not just the music and everything. Everything after Thriller is like.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Ah, wait.

[Rosenberg]

Okay.

[TaxAct Advertiser]

I just.

[Laura Rosenberg]

I just don't know.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I don't. I truthfully don't know either, Laura. I'm saying what I choose to do.

[Laura Rosenberg]

Right? Right.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Although I'm not gonna lie, guys. I did something bad the other day.

[Laura Rosenberg]

What?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

When I DJed that private party the other day.

[Laura Rosenberg]

Don't tell me you played R. Kelly. Of course you did.

[Rosenberg]

Step in the Name of Love.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

No, I played. I played Best of Both Worlds. Oh, God. And I just wanna take you home to. I love those records. I do.

[Rosenberg]

What did the audience do? They kept dancing.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yeah, they did. And the husband. And the husband of the birthday girl is from Chicago. So after I played the second one, he was like. And I was kind of joking about how, like, I did feel a little inappropriate playing it. But, like, I do have a separation when I'm playing.

[Rosenberg]

Why are you having a confessional up here about playing somebody?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I like that.

[Laura Rosenberg]

He posted on his ig. I'm playing everything tonight.

[Ebro Darden]

I knew it.

[Laura Rosenberg]

I was like, he's gonna.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I was playing Kanye, too. I was playing Kanye. I was like, jew haters, molesters, they're all getting played tonight. I'm DJing. I want to do. You don't like Best Both Worlds.

[Rosenberg]

If I'm gonna choose an R. Kelly song in a party, I'm not choosing that one.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I just.

[Rosenberg]

If I'm gonna play an R. Kelly song.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

So you're forced to. It's Step by the Name of Love.

[Rosenberg]

I'm playing Step in the Name of Love.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yeah. That's a good. It's. That's a good. It would have been a different time of the night, but yes, it's at the right time. That record used to be.

[Rosenberg]

And another one that kind of gets a pass for me is I Believe I Could Fly.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I mean, because it doesn't even feel like an R. Kelly record.

[Rosenberg]

Right. It's just so.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

It feels like just a graduation.

[Rosenberg]

Yeah.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

It's not even. That's R. Kelly.

[Rosenberg]

Yeah, that.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

But it is Ignition.

[Rosenberg]

I'm not. Can I be honest with y'?

[Tourette's Expert]

All?

[Rosenberg]

Ignition. No, no.

[Laura Rosenberg]

That's what I thought he was gonna.

[Rosenberg]

Now I'm gonna tell you what pissed me off about Ignition Back so much. No, no, no. The song was cool, man. I like it. People acting like cuz he likened a woman to a car and he wanted to put his key in her. Ignition was genius.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

No, they didn't. Who did that?

[Rosenberg]

So many out of here. So many people was like, this is genius. I was like, no, it's not.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

It's the genius of R. Kelly. If there's. Genius is just the. I'm not trying to. It's just this way that he is on the song. The words were never genius. There you go.

[Laura Rosenberg]

The words were gross.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

His production, the actual sound of the. Oh, I played Fiesta, too. That's how it started.

[Rosenberg]

Okay.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I played the original, not the remix. You know, the.

[Rosenberg]

By the way. And I'm not saying Ignition is not about Fiestas. I'm not saying that. That it was just. It was good.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

People did too much with it.

[Rosenberg]

It was doing. You jumped out the window. But I was also never a. R. Kelly's a genius guy. Only because it was derivative.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

And you knew it was.

[Rosenberg]

It was derivative of Aaron Hall. I knew it was derivative of the Isley Brothers. I knew what he was doing. And it doesn't make it bad. I'm not saying it was bad.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

And the production was still like.

[Rosenberg]

But acting like R. Kelly was Stevie Wonder at the time. I wasn't doing that. I feel you wasn't doing well.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

No, he. He, lyrically, was always so devoid. Like, it was. His lyrics always made me go, I like him. I either like him in spite of the lyrics or I love the music and I laugh at the lyrics. That. To me, like, I don't know if you ever listen to Loveland, the unreleased album that came out at the time, that was like, a big thing I did because he put out Chocolate Factory, but Loveland was like the underground one. That was. It was Fire producing. But again, the words are just. He. From the beginning, he was saying things that. I was like, this is all very suspect to me. But the. I just found his actual production.

[Rosenberg]

But by the way. And I. You know, for the R. Kelly fans and everybody watching right now, that's still playing 12 play like it just came out.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

No, stop.

[Rosenberg]

No, I. I like it. I really do. I really like it.

[Laura Rosenberg]

You'd like to support.

[Rosenberg]

Say again.

[Laura Rosenberg]

You said you like the support.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

No, he said he likes the music.

[Rosenberg]

I like the music, not the support. I like the music.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

You're not co Signing the support any.

[Laura Rosenberg]

Anytime I see people I don't know.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

No, no, no, no.

[Rosenberg]

By the way, this is. I'm. I'm removing. Think I'm removing the R. Kelly's innocent crowd or Kelly. I'm not even talking to y'. All. I'm talking to people who are just kind of like, yo, I still like the music. I still play the music. I'm not gonna not play the music. That's fine, if that's what you want to be on. All I'm saying is I was just never over the top on R. Kelly. That's all I'm saying.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Laura, where are you at?

[Laura Rosenberg]

There was a. There was a post recently, I think it was like, last week, of, like, people celebrating cuz new new R. Kelly music was supposed to come out. And I think it was like Teddy Riley behind it. And then he came out and was like, no, never mind, never mind.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I'm not.

[Laura Rosenberg]

I'm not doing it. The amount of people who were celebrating, I cannot wait. Yes, I. I was like. I was just looking through all of them.

[Ebro Darden]

It's.

[Laura Rosenberg]

I. I just.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Were y' all celebrating? And were they even celebrating the last albums he put out before this all happened? Ew, now you're gonna celebrate him more.

[Rosenberg]

That's crazy.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

You weren't celebrating before this all happened. Now you're celebrating. I think the most egregious thing R. Kelly ever did, besides the egregious things that R. Kelly did, was how on Fiesta remix, you get Hove to start the song, how you still include the Boo and Gotti verses. It's over, bro. Put Jay Z on and move on. Okay, now I still gotta put Boo and Gotti on here.

[Rosenberg]

Come on, man. Why are people catching strays on him, man?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

No. Shouts to Boo and Gotti. They did their thing on the record, but when you look at the features, it looks nuts.

[Rosenberg]

Look, look, man. Guys, guys. R. Kelly. R. Kelly called himself the Pied Piper. Yeah. And you guys was okay with it? I wasn't okay with it. Him running around in the little mask like he was the Hamburglar. Y' all was cool with that? I wasn't cool with that. I was vocally not cool with that.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

It was.

[Rosenberg]

It was like I had been not cool with R. Kelly antics for a long time. It's. If there was the Internet, it would be well documented. I was vocal about. I think I was vocal about it. Wasn't there an event that we was at? I was like, I'm not doing an event with R. Kelly. I don't care. I'm not doing it.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

It's.

[Rosenberg]

Before he went to jail, all of that.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yeah.

[Rosenberg]

I've been on it.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I did the event. I know in retrospect, not a great look. Not a great look. I was still. I was still hanging on. It was. The. The Pied Piper stuff was insane. The fact that we weren't all collectively like, no, he's Admitting publicly what's going on here. He's calling himself the Pied Piper.

[Rosenberg]

I come through town playing music and walk out with your children.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yeah, you had to look. I had to look it up. I'm like, what was the Pied Piper again?

[Laura Rosenberg]

And then even, like, when you look at Aliyah's, like, the covers and you see him in the background, it's just so creepy, bro.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

All of it lurking in the back.

[Laura Rosenberg]

Just gross.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Like, anyways, we ruined the fun. I. I played Best of Both Worlds. I had a good moment.

[Laura Rosenberg]

All right.

[Rosenberg]

No, but by the way. By the way, I'm just saying, like, that's not even that egregious. Like, okay, you played Best of both. Some songs that people like from some guy that we don't like. Like, it's gonna happen. It's gonna happen with Diddy, too. Like, no, it's gonna be Diddy. It happens with Mike, it happens. You know what I mean? It's gonna happen.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Michael, you went back to Mike now. Now I'm confused now. I don't know. You're talking about Mike Jordan. So confused. Hey, get well to Elliot Wilson, man.

[Rosenberg]

Yeah, man.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Elliot posted that he had cardiac arrest.

[Rosenberg]

Elliot, man. Get well, brother. Stay healthy. There he goes. Elliot posted this photo right here. Damn. Damn.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yo, his chest is split up.

[Rosenberg]

It opens you up. God.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yo, Elliot, man, I hadn't talked. I talked to Elliot recently. I. I didn't. He.

[Rosenberg]

I did not know. I had no idea. Elliot was dealing with some health.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

No, no, me neither. Me neither, man.

[Rosenberg]

Literally this morning.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yeah, that was the first time I knew. But sending you love, bro. I'm glad you glad you caught whatever it was.

[Rosenberg]

Fact. Well, and then in the caption, it said that's the first of three surgeries or something that he's got. Did I read that right? Wow.

[Laura Rosenberg]

I'm wishing him the best.

[Rosenberg]

So he's got a.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

A.

[Rosenberg]

A long journey here, bro.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

No, I gotta hit him today, bro. Sending you the best, man.

[Rosenberg]

Yo, it's Hebro. Laura Rosenberg. Thanks for tuning in. Thanks to everybody in the super chat. Thanks for everybody. We got a new Patreon dropping tomorrow, right, Laura?

[Laura Rosenberg]

We are. We are. It's coming. And hit that, like, button, please. Hit that, like button. Subscribe.

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[Laura Rosenberg]

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[Rosenberg]

If it's on the sheet, can we have the. Okay, can. Can you and Griffin go over the sheet for the show?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Grim BK says he'd love another Jay Z Reasonable Doubt concert. He was too broke for the last one. Create like Mike wants us to watch the on the radar cipher with Ray.

[Rosenberg]

Oh, I loved it, by the way. Shout out to on the radar. Watch the whole cipher. Loved Rosenberg. You want to catch up on some young dope?

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I saw. I've not watched it yet, but I saw that they did that.

[Rosenberg]

No, no. Watch it if you want. You guys want to catch up on what's on going. Going on with some young dope MCs from all over the country on the radar.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Did something incredible and shout out to Nebula will nil. Who said, I've been about B since Sasha Fierce. After a certain amount of wealth, it's hard for me to believe she still believes what she's speaking on.

[Rosenberg]

Okay, well, that's.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I mean, yeah, Turbo J just kept giving us money and Moreno, the man.

[Rosenberg]

Turbo J. What you do for a living. Go.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Coming through. Moreno. The man came through again. Said, follow me at Moreno. 172.

[Rosenberg]

It is Ebro Laura Rosenberg. We'll see you tomorrow, 8am Live. Don't call it a podcast.