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The Ebro, Laura, Rosenberg Show
44.) An Hour and a Half of Ebro, Laura, & Rosenberg (2/26/26)
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Ebro Darden
Just don't call it a podcast.
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Laura Rosenberg
The Ebro Laura Rosenberg show.
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Ebro Darden
Let's get it. Yeah. Ebro Laura Rosenberg show.
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Laura Rosenberg
Yeah. Oh, yeah, baby.
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Ebro Darden
Got some things lined up today, including Rosenberg announcing he's got a new podcast endeavor. My favorite thing about this podcast, he doesn't know where he's actually making it yet.
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Jumaane Williams
Yet.
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Laura Rosenberg
Well, no, that's.
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Ebro Darden
Know how you're making.
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Laura Rosenberg
Yeah, you're.
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Ebro Darden
You're. And you have a trailer already.
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Laura Rosenberg
Oh, the trailer. I worked on the trailer for a year and a half.
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Ebro Darden
So we'll see the trailer today.
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Laura Rosenberg
Yeah, because I feel if we. Once we show the people the trailer. Now I got to. Now we got to go. You know what I'm saying? I'm putting pressure on myself.
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Ebro Darden
Are you ready to go? Like, what do you need them to do? We'll talk about it. All right.
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Laura Rosenberg
Things to think about. All things to think about.
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Ebro Darden
Cuz I want to make sure when we show the trailer, then we ask them to do an action right that second action. Other than. Wait, there's more info. I need more.
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Laura Rosenberg
No, no, we'll something for some action for them.
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Ebro Darden
All right.
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Laura Rosenberg
But I will say I need to get my ish together, cuz I won't lie. The trailer is kind of hard. So afterwards, people back.
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Ebro Darden
You're really just excited.
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Laura Rosenberg
Here we go. Yeah, exactly. I showed it the other night on the State of the Union live stream and people put it back. You already showed it to just the people who were there at the State of the Union live stream.
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Ebro Darden
Now, how many people tuned in? Laura, did you jump on the State of the Union live stream with Rosenberg?
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Laura Styles
I did not. I. I did not. I heard that he was relaxed, sipping on something and enjoying his time with our armies.
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Laura Rosenberg
So I did. I was hanging out with the El Army. I drank a little gentleman's jack, had a couple sips, had some water.
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Ebro Darden
But that's what you have to do when you're watching Trump live, right? You might as well make it a party.
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Laura Rosenberg
I might as well have a drink to get through this. And then at the end, when we couldn't handle watching this buffoon do anymore, I said, let me show you all my trailer for my show. And we talked about that instead. So with all things to get to
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Ebro Darden
on a Thursday, also, we're. We're going to talk about this Miley Cyrus, Bruno Mars lawsuit. We're going to compare the hooks of the songs to see if there's something there. And I also wanted to get into the amount of people being arrested in Europe and compare it to the amount of people not being arrested in the United States.
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Laura Rosenberg
Oh, with regard to the fc.
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Ebro Darden
With regard to the FC Files. But first, welcome to the program.
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Laura Rosenberg
I wish.
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Ebro Darden
Do we have applause? I have a. I have a flex bomb. Okay, Jimani Williams, let's go.
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Laura Rosenberg
J's on the show, the public advocate,
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Ebro Darden
Jamani. What's poppin, sir?
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Jumaane Williams
Everything. I'm individually well in an increasingly crazy world. What about yourself?
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Ebro Darden
Well said.
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Laura Rosenberg
I love that.
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Ebro Darden
Well, the reason I reached out to you started with the Tourette's, what I'm calling Tourette's Gate this week with. With the man at the BAFTAs shouting, you know, racial epithets at Delroy Lindo and Michael B. Jordan as they accepted an award. You, sir, have been a friend of our show for many years and have discussed your Tourette's openly for a long time. And you even posted a video articulating your Tourette's, how you learned about Tourette's and what could have been done better here. And I wanted to invite you on to delve a little bit more into that convo. But just give a brief recap on what you shared with people about your Tourette's and what you thought could have been done better at the BAFTAs.
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Jumaane Williams
Now, I appreciate you. This is an important conversation. There's a lot of anger, frustration. I just want to make sure that we put the anger, which is correct, and the empathy in the right spaces. When I was elected, I was known to be the first elected official in the country, actually, with Tourette Syndrome. I also have Corporal Alia, which is the shouting of socially unacceptable words. I actually augment a lot of my ticks so that some of that does not disturb folks too much. But I'm always careful because, one, not everybody can do that. And so I don't want folks to think that everybody can. And two, there is a cost to that. There's a cost to suppressing your tics. There's a cost to trying to augment it. That's harmful. Could be harmful to the person who's ticcing. So what I want folks to understand is that the word alone doesn't denote whether someone is racist or not racist. And so it's hard to understand. But Tourette's is intrusive. And so you have intrusive thoughts, you have intrusive body movements, you have intrusive vocal tics that, you know, Obviously you can ask the questions why that word is there, and, you know, someone should answer it, but all that stuff is in our subconscious. And with Tourette's you don't have the, you know, the blockade to it as you'd want to. And so I wanted folks to understand that, you know, even someone like me who has the N word as a tic, that is a real thing. What people should be focused on anger is that that empathy and care has to go both ways. And I think there was no care given to Michael B. Jordan, DeLindo, other black people and folks who didn't want to hear that. There was a bunch of things that could have been done that included simply not re airing that part. They could have censored that part. They censored Free Palestine. They censored other ticks that that gentleman gave, including the F word. Why they would not censor that. That's where I think a lot of the anger should be, as well as there should have been much more information given to people before and after, including those two actors. So not only they can understand what's going on, they could explain themselves to the audience. So there was a lot of failures there. And I would blame BAFTA and BBC in particular.
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Laura Rosenberg
So we're all in lockstep with you that the BBC either was intentionally playing with people or wanting to hurt people, just didn't view the N word as a serious offense, which is absolutely insane. But as someone Jumani who's admired you for a long time and interviewed you, a bunch of. And I've seen your physical tics before when we've had conversations. I've never heard you auditorily say anything in that sort of tic. Can you take us just a little bit through your journey and what those tics were like? And then you talked about the cost, how working on them can create a cost for people. I'm curious about that.
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Jumaane Williams
So, interestingly, before I was diagnosed, my mother saw a 2020 special and she said, I think this is what you have. And I told her, no, I don't. Of course, turned out to be right. But at that moment it was interesting. There was a white gentleman, an older gentleman, well, older then. He's probably my age now. But his tic was actually the N word. And I remember hearing him talking about it and he augmented it. And so he would go nickels, pennies and dimes to try to not say that word. But the best way I could describe a tic is like an itch you have to scratch or a sneeze, it's going to come out. So he would take nickels, pennies and dimes to try to get the auditory tick out without the word that's socially unacceptable, Rightfully so. When, after I got diagnosed, I actually used that. And so one of my first loudest auditory tics, I had other ones, but was a hole. I don't know if I can say here. So people would hear me say, and I would say the rest really, really quietly. As I grew older, my tics mostly went from what was predominantly auditory to what you call motor tics, which is where you see the body movement. But I still have some auditory ones. Actually, you may. I'm actually taking right now. You may not hear it quite. Actually, I was actually taking the N word. But when I. When I can, I try to do it either very, very softly, I try to say the word very quickly, or I will wait until I'm in a space by myself and let it out. And so the cost can be. If you hold that, if you hold it in, it's going to come out, and it comes out much worse, much more ferociously later on. So there is a cost that can come to that. So that's why I always talk about there should be empathy. But that has to go both ways. So if I'm in a library, I don't think I should just start screaming and ticking. If people are trying to study. I also want people to understand what's going on. So at that moment of time, maybe I can step out and try again. Maybe the library has a space where I can be and do what I need to study as well. So I think there are some different things that can be considered what is frustrating to me, it seems when it comes to black folks in particular, that care is not given. And so that's what's frustrating. When I saw what I heard about at Bacta, there was not care given to those two actors in the way that could have been with simple tools.
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Ebro Darden
Now, the cost you just spoke of and the augmenting of ticks, you also said that not everyone will be able to augment. Is that something to do with the Tourette's itself or their physical abilities?
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Jumaane Williams
You know, so, you know, everybody's individual. There's a brother named Justin Farmer who just. It means a lot to me because he was elected in Connecticut. He got. He ran for office after he saw me, he had Tourette's and he didn't think he'd be able to. And he learned about me. So that's just an awesome part of my journey. Like, that's one of the best moments I've. I've had. He has Tourette's, probably worse than me. He wears what, like what? Lars has noise canceling headphones that big. That helps him. That may not help everyone.
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Ebro Darden
Right.
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Jumaane Williams
So it's individualized. There is behavioral therapy that helps folks augment it. I never took it. It's just something I was. You know, you try to survive, you know, particularly if you're black. There's not, you know, just saying you have to rest don't let you get away with it.
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Ebro Darden
That's right.
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Jumaane Williams
So I think, you know, just, just trying to survive and make it through. I really just tried to figure out how best to augment it. So yes, not everybody can do it. And so, and the reason I say that because there's people out there with Tourette's in school and I don't want teachers think they can do things they can't do. But you know, you can learn to do it. There is behavioral therapy. Do it. The more you suppress it, the, the worse it is for you later on. So people get home and they just start doing craziness. And it can be painful. The motor ticks actually, you know, thinking about things that are, you know, are socially acceptable or things that you can't control. You know, I have a tick in my shoulder. When you have pain, it actually makes you tick on that pain spot even more so that, you know, I have back pains, I have shoulder pains. That's a part of Tourettessa is not talked about a lot of. But you will tick on that spot. And so, you know, the whole, the longer you hold in a particular ticks, the more painful it could be later on.
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Ebro Darden
Yo, Jumani, thanks for sharing with us today, bro. Appreciate you. Go ahead, Laura.
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Laura Rosenberg
I'm sorry.
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Laura Styles
No, just because I'm learning. Right. Like the rest of us. And I was just curious because you did mention, you know, growing up with Tourette's, but is there a world where also when you're growing up as a young person and coming from low income family where you don't have the access and the money to have certain therapies to help you navigate this.
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Jumaane Williams
So the answer is yes. So 30, I got diagnosed about 30, 36 years ago. That was a whole different world. So I think people, there are people now who actually know about it more than they did when I was growing up. My mother, after I got diagnosed, she, she learned about an organization which was then called the Tourette Syndrome Associate of America tsa. They've changed the name to Tourette association of America taa. She got invol. I actually was on the Maury Povich show twice. Not for baby Daddy stuff. They were actually doing real, real issues back then. It was about terrestrial of a young person. I got to go to California to talk, to try to talk to other young folks. But I guess it would call behavioral therapy. I kind of developed that on my own. But the short answer is yes. If you are in lower served communities, the communities you normally think about, they get under diagnosed and even if they get diagnosed, they don't have access to the connections that can help life a little bit easier. I remember diagnosing people on a train. There was a young brother, I think his tick was touching the floor and he kept dropping a book. He dropped the book, touched the floor, dropped the book, touch the floor. And I saw what was happening. I was able to pick up on it. And I had a conversation with him and he kept telling me he has the same book that he brings with him so he can drop it and touch the floor. But you know, without me being there, he might not have had the way to figure out hey, this is a real thing, you can get some help. So the short answer is yes. You know, they're, they're like anything else. The communities that get under diagnosed and misdiagnosed are the same. By the way, I'm probably taking more now when you talk about it, you tick more. When you get stressful, you take more. When you're around people with Tourette's, you tick more. Which is interesting. When a bunch of us get together, it's a very interesting day because you pick up other people's ticks, you feed off other people ticks. It's, it gets very interesting.
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Ebro Darden
So you would, it sounds like what you're saying back to the baftas
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Laura Rosenberg
would
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Ebro Darden
have been that either this person or his crew and or the BAFTAs would have recognized, hey, this could potentially be bad. We should either you know, ask this person to step out or done some other things because clearly they didn't edit or they did edit, but they didn't want to edit the N word. And if they wanted to create a conversation, we talked about this the other day, they wanted to create a conversation around Tourette's. Maybe they could have left in some of the more the, the less egregious outbursts.
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Laura Rosenberg
Right.
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Ebro Darden
But I'm also told that this person called like three other times called people the N word who were black at the event on camera.
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Laura Rosenberg
Jumani, let me ask, jump in. Is Ebro, when Ebro frames it that way and says called people the N word, is that an accurate way of even framing the conversation?
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Jumaane Williams
I mean you could. He, he, he. That's his tick. I actually spoke to one of the young women because I know her and I don't know that she wants to be public right now, but I spoke to one of the young folks, one of the women, she was with some black women there and. And he had his tick. They had to do their own math to figure out that this person has Tourette's and that's what's happening. They shouldn't have to do that old math. That information should have been given to them. What's interesting is this gentleman, John Davidson was there about this exact thing.
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Ebro Darden
That's right.
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Jumaane Williams
His move, the movie on his life is called I Swear he's been going through this. He actually tried to commit suicide when he was younger, associated with this and had to get psychiatric care. And that's why I want to make sure that we having the care and empathy. But it has to go both ways. So in this case there's a reason why he's there. He eventually actually did step out. And so I want to give him his credit there.
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Ebro Darden
And he apologized vehemently. He was like, I am ashamed. I'm so embarrassed. Like he was very.
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Jumaane Williams
He is. And. But we have to acknowledge that the word causes harm. So I think that's a part of. Of trying to, you know, correct that harm. He was actually beaten very severely when he was younger for I think ticking toward a woman who. The. The boyfriend didn't like that. So there's a lot that can go on here. And so there are things that John could do or maybe not like you just don't know what's happening. Individual. I think he did step out, which was, you know, what should be done. I really blame BAFTA and BBC. That's why I want people to direct an anger because this gentleman has Tourette syndrome. Everybody knows that he's there because of this. This is the exact thing that his movie is about. They should have provided more care.
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Ebro Darden
They didn't protect him at all.
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Jumaane Williams
They didn't at all. They didn't protect anybody. And what Michael B. Jordan and Darryl Linda did is what black folks unfortunately too often have to do. Have poise in a moment of harm that's happening to them. And they did that. But they shouldn't have had to. They should have had the information beforehand. They should, but have still what was going on. The fact that they didn't. The fact that they didn't decide to censor that, but they censored everything else just shows that they didn't want to provide that care. Perhaps they just wanted people to talk about BAFTA because nobody's ever really talked about BAFTA before.
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Laura Rosenberg
That's what I'm an actor, so I
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Jumaane Williams
know BAFTA is, but most people didn't. And that's unfortunate because there's a lot of people who are harmed here, including black folks who heard that or even that space. That gentleman is going through it right now, John Davidson, because this has been the story of his life in different ways. Now the N word is particularly charged and so we should view it that way. But he's had to deal with this in his life, even trying to commit suicide, and they didn't take any steps to protect anyone.
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Laura Rosenberg
So last thing I have on this Jumani. Just to get to the root of it, though, there seems to be a question of just the words that come out. You know, people are saying that, and this isn't the first time I've seen this conversation. Giovanni. I've seen videos pop up on the algorithm too, of like someone with Tourette's yelling a racial slur and then it turns into a whole thing. And some people say, oh, no, he has Tourette's. Can you just give any insight as to why the words are. That they are. Are the tics often based on the fact that it is so taboo saying something that is so inappropriate? Like, is that words. Why those words come out?
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Jumaane Williams
So that is the best description. What I do want to make sure it's not. It doesn't tell intent, it doesn't talk about what's in your heart. Those words are in the lexicon of the, of.
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Laura Rosenberg
Of our world. Right.
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Jumaane Williams
And so Tourette's, if you have corporeal in particular, it does, it does involve the most taboo words. I don't want to tick on the part of my body that is most painful to me, but that's what the tick is going to make me do. And so when it's corporate, Alia, it just comes out as the thing that you should not say at that moment in time. If you pass by a library that says don't whistle, you're probably going to tick whistling. And so that's just what's going to start to happen. And so what I need folks to understand is that it doesn't describe intent. That's hard to understand because you're hearing something that's really charged.
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Ebro Darden
Well, and like, even for me, right, I see a white person using the N word. My programming, my tick, if I was to say, yes, sir, would be, I see that it's this how I feel about It, I don't. What. I don't care what the reason is.
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Laura Rosenberg
But there is no reason. But the reason is just that it's a bad word.
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Ebro Darden
And, and so, yeah, I have a problem. I have a problem digesting that.
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Jumaane Williams
Well, you should. Like, like this is the thing, what we sometimes have issue is, is we can't hold two things at one time and we should be able to. What I just said does not change the impact of that word.
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Ebro Darden
That's right.
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Jumaane Williams
And it shouldn't. What should happen is somebody should provide a way to have harm reduction when something is going on. And that's the part that didn't happen. So I'm not saying you should just willy nilly accept someone's gonna scream the N word. I'm just saying we should have had some harm reduction that didn't occur. Justin Farmer, who I spoke about, he's doing, you know, women's studies in school. He starts ticking the B word. That's not something he wants to do in a room.
- [18:57]
Laura Rosenberg
Right.
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Jumaane Williams
And. But he does have a conversation with folks. He has a conversation with his partner. Are you all right? You know, my bad. This is what's going on. And so there's some harm reduction that tries to happen. It doesn't take away the sting, but it does provide care going both ways. And that's what dropped. And I blame the dropping of that on BAFTA and BBC, not on John Davis.
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Ebro Darden
Shifting gears briefly, because I know it's. We're only two months into the Mamdani era of New York City. Jumani Williams, a public advocate. We've done this multiple times, I think with three different mayors. We've done it. We've had this convo with de Blasio, we've had this convo with Adams, and now we're having it with mom Donnie. How would you grade mom Donnie so far?
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Jumaane Williams
Oh, Lord, you're about to get me in trouble. It's hard to give grades. I will be.
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Ebro Darden
You can say it's too soon.
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Jumaane Williams
Say it again.
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Ebro Darden
You could go with it's too soon.
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Jumaane Williams
I think it is too soon to, to start grading. I think he's doing better than, you know, a lot of folks who don't like him think. I think there's some things that he could be augmenting a little bit. So hopefully that goes forward. Quite honestly, I'd probably be around the, the, the B minus, you know, B kind of, kind of stage. But Frankie, I don't know. Sorry, I don't know. Can you hear me?
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Ebro Darden
Yeah, we can hear you. Just Fine.
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Jumaane Williams
I lost you for a little bit, so I can't hear you.
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Ebro Darden
Hello? Yep, you're on. You're good.
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Jumaane Williams
All right. Yes, I can. I don't know of any new mayor that's going to be an A at this moment in time.
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Ebro Darden
There you go.
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Jumaane Williams
Particularly with new. Two new snowstorms coming in and a brand new administration. So he's about where I think a new mayor would be at this moment in time. And time will tell as we, as we move forward. I do know this. We are aligned in thinking and policy and governing is hard. So there's still going to be some of us that have to kind of push him to do those things. But what I like is that the things that he believes, he's always believed he was talking about those things when he was polling at 1%. So he didn't change what he believed to get elected. He got people to join him in that message. And to have a mayor who believes this and really wants all New Yorkers to do better is a stark difference from the May we previously had. So I'm excited about that. I'm looking forward to work with him. And, you know, I got things that I probably need to do a little better as well. I'm not in that hot seat, so it makes it a little easier for me to, to maneuver around it. And I believe he'll be able to maneuver as well. You know, I think the issues around, say the property tax hike was not messaged correctly. I think there was a. We should have gotten some partners to figure out how we can get that message, particularly message of taxing the rich a little better. So people didn't think that we're trying to raise their property taxes in a way that would be harmful.
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Ebro Darden
On that Jumani. I feel like, I feel like the, the MAGA machine, they jumped in full fledged on that and, and really just ran that up the flagpole because I watched him talk about this and didn't walk away feeling like he was going to raise taxes on and property taxes. I walked away feeling like what he wants Kathy Hochul to do is to understand that he needs property tax or taxes to be raised on corporations and the rich and, and he needs to go through the budget with a fine tooth comb and they're going to try to find more savings. But the last resort that he doesn't want to do would be this 9% property tax. That's what I walked away with. But then the next day, all, everywhere it was so.
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Jumaane Williams
But let's, let's explain why. So one that's 100% my message. I think everybody's anger should be at Kathy Hochul. Right. That's what I think. Because she has tools that she's not using primarily to people who are donors. And the message she has makes it feel like she's protecting everybody from taxes. No, she's only protecting 30,000 people in the 20 million people who are in New York.
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Ebro Darden
Say that again. She's only protecting 30,000 donors, very rich people, not the 20 million rest of us.
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Jumaane Williams
33,000 people in New York. That's the only people you're trying to protect. And they happen to be the biggest donors. And we're saying if we. If we would just tax them a little bit more and they have expendable income, everybody else would be okay because somebody is going to pay. It's only. It's going to be either working class folks or in this case, it would be, you know, property owners. But they pretend like somebody's not going to pay. And if we cut services, those people are going to pay as well. They're going to primarily be black and brown folks. And so what. What probably should have been happening in that messaging is we should have got together with government partners so we can figure out how to message it a little bit better. By the way, people think they're going to go from 10% to 20%. That's not what it is. So just so folks are clear, what he proposed, which we should not do anyway, is that if your property taxes at 10%, it will go to 11%. And that 1% equals a 10% increase. And so even the messaging of it didn't help people understand what it was. They think they were going from 10 to 20 when they're really going from, say, 10 to 11.
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Laura Rosenberg
That is a. That is a horrible communication. Yes, because one is 10% of 10. I get it.
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Jumaane Williams
That's.
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Laura Rosenberg
That's a disaster.
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Jumaane Williams
It was just a bad communication. But he is correct. Governor Hochul has to tax wealthy folks so we can get some more income. We don't have money choices. It's either increase revenue, cut services. That's what generally New York City has the ability to do. She has more tools. She needs to open it up. I'm hoping there's a lesson that, you know, the new mayor incoming will have, that we need to message these things a little bit better and get some partners on board. And by the way, the people will hurt the most are black and brown homeowners because the taxes right now are inequitable. So you have millionaires paying less in taxes than. Than people who live in southeast Queens or Flatbush. And it's. Everybody knows that it's an equitable system, but nobody, unfortunately, is doing anything about it.
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Ebro Darden
Jumani Williams. I know we're out of time. I wanted to go over the snowball fight that's being blown out of proportion, or is it being blown out of proportion or the landlords being arrested, which I don't feel like is getting the headlines, because there's definitely been some landlords recently that have been arrested since mom Donnie's been in office. But maybe we'll cover that at another
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Jumaane Williams
time for the snowboard joint. Like, again, this is the thing. Everybody's gonna take away what they want from me for me. Like, look, should you probably do that? I would probably say no.
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Ebro Darden
No.
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Jumaane Williams
It looks like it got a little bit out of hand. The people need to be arrested. I'd also probably say no police union
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Ebro Darden
need to frame it as a violent attack against.
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Jumaane Williams
Well, these are the same people that say that have never seen a police shooting that they didn't like.
- [25:52]
Laura Rosenberg
Right.
- [25:53]
Jumaane Williams
So you have to think about who the messenger, of course. And so I think we should all be able to say, hey, man, y'. All. Y' all probably shouldn't do that. These folks are coming to do their job, and you need a willing participant. When you're have a snowball fight, like, whoever it is, a cop or another person, they should be a willing participant. Don't do that. It got a little out of hand. That's a real thing. Do people need to get arrested? Probably not. Like, all those messages can be there, but you have people who want to have one or the other, and that's when it gets unnecessarily contentious.
- [26:20]
Laura Rosenberg
I don't know, Jumani, you want a lot of people to have to walk and chew gum at the same time, and it's. It's hard for people to hold two thoughts, man.
- [26:29]
Jumaane Williams
It is, man. But we have to have leaders that want to help people do that.
- [26:33]
Laura Rosenberg
That's right.
- [26:33]
Jumaane Williams
Right now, unfortunately, we have leaders that prefer not to. Yeah. But I appreciate y'.
- [26:39]
Laura Rosenberg
All.
- [26:39]
Jumaane Williams
I want to come back. It's good to be back on here. So I thank y' all for continuing the platform and allowing me to be on always.
- [26:45]
Ebro Darden
Absolutely. We'd love to have you in the studio. Talk to you soon.
- [26:48]
Jumaane Williams
Peace and blessings.
- [26:49]
Laura Rosenberg
There he is there.
- [26:50]
Ebro Darden
Jimani Williams. Great guy.
- [26:51]
Guest or Producer
It's.
- [26:51]
Laura Rosenberg
It's. Honestly, we underrated when we think about Jumani, because for people, you know, maybe who are new to us, We've had him on our radio show regularly for years. A decade now. Close to it. It's funny how little we've ever even talked about his Tourette's.
- [27:06]
Ebro Darden
Right.
- [27:06]
Laura Rosenberg
Like today, we spent a lot of time on it.
- [27:08]
Ebro Darden
I think when he got elected, we talked for sure.
- [27:10]
Laura Rosenberg
It definitely came up. And we talked. I think we talked to him about acting, and he talked about how his becoming a thespian really impacted, in a positive way, his tics. But we don't spend a lot of time talking about, like, him rising in New York politics with what was, when we first met him, a pretty severe physical tick. Yeah, it's pretty amazing.
- [27:30]
Ebro Darden
Nah, he's doing the work.
- [27:31]
Laura Rosenberg
He's an ill guy and a guy who, I think. I don't know. I'm making this up. But did mom Donnie's emergence end his sort of what could have been a mayor mayoral run right now?
- [27:44]
Ebro Darden
I don't know. Did Jumani Laura go for mayor or was he going. He went at governor.
- [27:49]
Laura Rosenberg
He never went.
- [27:50]
Ebro Darden
He never went. I think he. There was convos about governor.
- [27:53]
Laura Rosenberg
Oh, was a governor. He was in ju.
- [27:54]
Ebro Darden
But it was never. It was never about. I don't remember a mayor convo.
- [27:59]
Laura Rosenberg
Okay.
- [27:59]
Laura Styles
So I don't remember that either.
- [28:01]
Jumaane Williams
I don't.
- [28:01]
Ebro Darden
You know, when we have him back on the story, we'll talk to him about. I like having him on cuz I look. One thing, hopefully you noticed there with the Jamani Williams convo, he cuts through the BS and the noise and really gets you down to like, brass tax, as they say. That. And also just the proper words to describe a thing, you know, care going both ways and like, these kind of concepts of like, he's good man. Doing more than one thing at a time.
- [28:27]
Laura Rosenberg
Does it. He is a politician, but he really doesn't feel like a politician.
- [28:31]
Ebro Darden
Well. And I also wanted to back him into a corner because, you know, he wanted. I remember we had him on the show when we were doing Hot 97, and he wanted me to give Adam's grace. I don't know if you guys remember that. And I was like, I'm telling you, bro, he's a cop. Bro, he's a cop.
- [28:45]
Laura Rosenberg
When was that?
- [28:45]
Ebro Darden
That was like a year into Adam and he hadn't been on the show. And I was like, yo, he's doing the cop thing, blah, blah, blah. I actually ran into Jumani and he didn't. I never talked about this publicly. I ran into him, him and his wife at an event. Me and Jazz was out, and he was like, yo, man, I think you're right about Adams, but I'm not saying.
- [29:04]
Laura Styles
Oh, my God.
- [29:06]
Ebro Darden
He was like, I don't. I don't. You know, I'm trying to. I'm trying to give a black man a chance, man. I'm trying.
- [29:11]
Laura Rosenberg
Well, he's got an important.
- [29:12]
Laura Styles
I see that.
- [29:12]
Laura Rosenberg
Yeah. He's got an important position as the public advocate.
- [29:15]
Ebro Darden
But then Adams went in on Jumani, Remember?
- [29:18]
Laura Rosenberg
Adam's. He's a piece of. I'm sorry, respectfully. Do you.
- [29:22]
Ebro Darden
You don't think you need to Respectfully. With Adam.
- [29:24]
Jumaane Williams
He's.
- [29:25]
Laura Rosenberg
He everything. Like, he's just like everybody else. Like, he's. He's just.
- [29:29]
Ebro Darden
Well, hopefully not everybody. We're hoping Mom Donnie's different, right?
- [29:31]
Laura Rosenberg
Oh, when I say everybody else, I mean all the bad guys.
- [29:33]
Ebro Darden
Oh, okay.
- [29:33]
Laura Rosenberg
Not like Mom Donnie. Sorry. Thank you for stopping me, because there are a lot of people who put all. I mean, the Trumps and the. The. He's just. He's a nothing burger. Like he was. And we knew it. We. But the thing is, we got caught up. Not we, because I was firmly.
- [29:48]
Ebro Darden
Yeah, I ranked him third.
- [29:50]
Laura Rosenberg
You ranked Laura. And I didn't rank him. Laura, you didn't rank him.
- [29:52]
Jumaane Williams
Right.
- [29:52]
Laura Styles
I didn't even rank him at all.
- [29:53]
Laura Rosenberg
Yeah, we didn't rank. So you're in the rank club, buddy.
- [29:56]
Ebro Darden
I got. I got.
- [29:57]
Laura Rosenberg
No. Ebro's blackness forced him to rank. Eric Adams.
- [30:01]
Ebro Darden
That's right. Well and well, and I knew him and.
- [30:04]
Laura Rosenberg
Right. You had the personal report. I knew he brought your good friend Ebro.
- [30:07]
Ebro Darden
I see him out. I saw him. He was in. You know, he was. And by the way, he was. He was a black cop trying to hold black or trying to hold the NYPD accountable. That's how we met him.
- [30:20]
Laura Rosenberg
Yes.
- [30:20]
Ebro Darden
Then he became a borough president. So we met him doing work.
- [30:24]
Laura Rosenberg
That is the interesting.
- [30:25]
Laura Styles
Listen, I still remember Shawnie culture being like, yo, I know him from doing things in the community.
- [30:31]
Laura Rosenberg
Right.
- [30:31]
Laura Styles
He's outside that. Yes.
- [30:33]
Ebro Darden
So.
- [30:33]
Laura Styles
And I know other people who do who are activists in the community who said the same, but they were like, things changed.
- [30:39]
Laura Rosenberg
That's the thing. I don't want to take away everything ever did. Because you're right. Early on, he really did do stuff with keeping police accountable.
- [30:45]
Ebro Darden
Yeah.
- [30:45]
Laura Rosenberg
But, man, he's one of those people who. When he started tasting the power and
- [30:49]
Ebro Darden
I told you, that's that cop, man. We called it. That was the piece we called. I was like, bro, he's a cop, bro. During the cop. And by the way, for the Police officers out there. It's not all of y'.
- [30:58]
Guest or News Reader
All.
- [30:58]
Laura Rosenberg
And it's, and that's tough to hear,
- [30:59]
Ebro Darden
and that's tough to hear. But there are police, and y' all know it. You're in it for the power. That's why you're in it. You want to be popping, you want to be powerful, and you want to hold that power over people's heads.
- [31:16]
Laura Rosenberg
I, I, There are good cops. No, no.
- [31:19]
Ebro Darden
But there's cops who aren't in it for them.
- [31:20]
Laura Rosenberg
And they're not. They're there. You meet them and you go, wow, lovely person. This is a lovely person. Some of them you're like, oh, you never got any pussy. Oh, you got bullied in high school. Ah, you had a small dick. I can sense it. It's the energy you're pushing out there. And unfortunately, Eric Adams didn't seem like he was one of those guys, but once he got to that next place, bro. And I know it's funny when he talks about his shorty and Rockaway and, you know, he, he used hip hop lingo and, like, he would use black culture at times to make himself seem cool.
- [31:51]
Ebro Darden
Well, he's black.
- [31:52]
Laura Rosenberg
Cause he's black. He has that at his disposal. It's in the. It' holster when he needs it. But in reality, you're like, yo. And then he just started.
- [32:01]
Ebro Darden
That's why I keep saying it's the cop thing.
- [32:02]
Laura Rosenberg
It's the cop part.
- [32:03]
Ebro Darden
It's the cop part.
- [32:03]
Laura Rosenberg
No, because blue can become bigger than black, right? Blue can become the number one color.
- [32:08]
Ebro Darden
That's right.
- [32:08]
Laura Rosenberg
And if you want to be embraced by all of them, you have to
- [32:11]
Ebro Darden
make you start doing the dance.
- [32:13]
Laura Rosenberg
You gotta do the dance.
- [32:15]
Ebro Darden
Start doing the dance.
- [32:19]
Laura Rosenberg
I love Jumani, though, man. It's a good Thursday vibe for me. I like this to get me towards the end of the week,
- [32:26]
Ebro Darden
doing the dance, trying to be accepted by the blue.
- [32:31]
Laura Rosenberg
We haven't, we haven't spent enough time being positive about Klay Thompson and Megan Thee. Stallion. I just want to say they look really happy.
- [32:39]
Ebro Darden
Yeah, they're doing their thing.
- [32:40]
Laura Rosenberg
They look. No, I'm happy for Clay, bro.
- [32:42]
Ebro Darden
Happy for Clay. Yes. Wait, so you Wait, your impression of Clay is square.
- [32:48]
Laura Styles
Okay?
- [32:49]
Ebro Darden
And I think that's why people are happy. Here's my impression. My impression is you didn't really know Clay like that. Clay was. Because Steph was the man, so you didn't know what. Clay was moving like. He was under the radar. He did his job, he won his chips, he hit his three.
- [33:04]
Laura Rosenberg
One of the great shoes.
- [33:04]
Ebro Darden
I'll tell you what, he was smoking big weed. Clay would be on his boat. You ever remember before he started dating Megan? He would be on his boat chilling. You don't remember those videos?
- [33:15]
Laura Rosenberg
I kind of do now. Actually.
- [33:16]
Ebro Darden
I do, you know.
- [33:20]
Laura Styles
No.
- [33:20]
Ebro Darden
Yeah, Clay used to be like. And remember they would win a championship and Clay would be like, hat twisted, kind of twizzy up there with a cigar. So you're saying I saw what he was, but because he's light skinned and quiet, people assumed he was a dork.
- [33:34]
Laura Rosenberg
Ebro is taking this as a light skinned pride moment
- [33:39]
Ebro Darden
like that. But I just know how some light skins get framed.
- [33:41]
Laura Rosenberg
That's what I'm saying though.
- [33:42]
Ebro Darden
You're saying, I know you've seen this
- [33:44]
Laura Rosenberg
before and it's true before.
- [33:46]
Ebro Darden
And now he bagged a joint.
- [33:47]
Laura Rosenberg
Bagged a joint. And she loves him. I mean, she's cooked, Laura. I mean, the gifts.
- [33:52]
Laura Styles
I love to see it.
- [33:54]
Laura Rosenberg
The cooking, the meals like my man's. She's bringing him an extra plate and he's at the end of his career. It's winding down. Yeah, I'm happy for him, man.
- [34:02]
Ebro Darden
Cause imagine they're going fishing.
- [34:04]
Laura Styles
She's teaching him how to do this. He's teaching her how to farm.
- [34:07]
Ebro Darden
Listen, guys, it's great, but that's what you. Don't judge a book. Don't judge a book.
- [34:11]
Laura Rosenberg
See, but I'm judging the book and still enjoying it. But I guess your version could be. Don't judge the book. He's actually got game. I also like the version of he's kind of quiet, plays the back and still pulled the baddie. Either way, it's a dub.
- [34:21]
Ebro Darden
Yeah, it's a dub, right? I like all. I like all versions.
- [34:23]
Laura Rosenberg
And by the way. And I like it for Megan. I like it for Megan too. You know Megan, she's had some choices. She's made choices. Some have been better than others. I like this choice, this feel. I think Klay Thompson is a. You're gonna be all right. You know what I'm saying?
- [34:39]
Ebro Darden
So. But there's also judging that book too, completely. Because you're assuming that because they're great right now. It couldn't end like, you know, with her doing something egregious or him doing something that you wouldn't assume because he's the nice guy, he's the guy you could bring home to mummy.
- [34:53]
Laura Rosenberg
Correct.
- [34:54]
Ebro Darden
But. But that might be his hustle was.
- [34:56]
Laura Rosenberg
We're making all of this up.
- [34:58]
Ebro Darden
Absolutely.
- [34:58]
Laura Rosenberg
But in fantasy land, I think it's A great little thing, and I'm enjoying it.
- [35:01]
Ebro Darden
Since we're on basketball, we got the wnba. Sorry, Laura, go ahead.
- [35:05]
Laura Styles
I said let us live here. We like it over here.
- [35:08]
Ebro Darden
No, I like it, too.
- [35:08]
Laura Styles
Positivity.
- [35:09]
Ebro Darden
Yeah, I'm just. I was just leaning. Laura, I was just leaning into all the assumptions we're making about people.
- [35:15]
Laura Rosenberg
Huge assumptions. I know. I know. He's a square. He's a good guy. He's safe. He's the one. He's perfect. What do I know? He hits threes. He was a baller.
- [35:25]
Ebro Darden
I just.
- [35:25]
Laura Rosenberg
He could play great D. And I saw him score.
- [35:27]
Ebro Darden
Literally, he could play great D. You watching?
- [35:30]
Laura Rosenberg
This man's D is wild. Ebro. Nah, it's crazy. Ebro's checked in on the D. He's clocked in.
- [35:36]
Ebro Darden
Well, I mean, he got to be. He's got to be tapping strong because the way she talks to her raps. She knows what she looking for, but he has to deliver.
- [35:44]
Laura Rosenberg
But remember, she's also a sneaky square.
- [35:46]
Ebro Darden
He might really actually be hitting it from downtown. Like, he's downtown and that thing. A Lang is Jack.
- [35:54]
Laura Rosenberg
All right. You're doing long distance. Oh, my God.
- [35:57]
Ebro Darden
Sorry. Sorry.
- [35:58]
Guest or Producer
I'm just.
- [35:59]
Ebro Darden
Listen, once again, making assumptions. I'm taking what she raps about and what he had to deliver and clearly putting together that, you know, he's putting that thing down. Lay him down. Smack them, yak them, clay boy. Not too far.
- [36:12]
Laura Rosenberg
No, you're going too far.
- [36:15]
Ebro Darden
Basketball. Can I get the WNBA? Do you have any intel here? ESPN's own Rosenberg on this WNBA situation. I do. I earns a profit. The wnba.
- [36:25]
Laura Rosenberg
Yes, I heard that. I saw the thing that they're splitting
- [36:28]
Ebro Darden
up some dough that they haven't split up before.
- [36:30]
Laura Rosenberg
But.
- [36:30]
Ebro Darden
And.
- [36:31]
Laura Rosenberg
And this is all part of the nuclear collective bargaining agreement that they're trying to get. I don't know where it's at, though.
- [36:37]
Ebro Darden
Well, I don't know where the agreement's at, but I think the. The. As a part of the path. I don't know if they've decided, but as a part of the path, it. Look, can we. Did we get the graphic up? You guys look like y' all were struggling. You all right? All right. The league will give 8 million to each team. The union will give another 9 million to each team, and the money will be shared among the players.
- [36:57]
Laura Rosenberg
So another 17 million among the team into the pot. Listen, for Ibrah Lauren Rosenberg, man, that would change the game. Yes, for the WNBA teams, it's a. It's a step. It's a nice a step.
- [37:10]
Ebro Darden
Oh, okay. It's not a, it's not a complete fail.
- [37:12]
Laura Rosenberg
No, it's. It's something. I mean, listen, some of these players, I mean, guys. Caitlin Clark. Salary is like $90,000. Right. So if, if $2 million is coming into these teams, you're talking about each player getting a several hundred thousand dollars.
- [37:28]
Ebro Darden
That's a smack.
- [37:29]
Laura Rosenberg
That's kind of a smack. So I mean, it's the beginning. But obviously, you know, it's a complicated situation because the WNBA players are paid severely less than the NBA.
- [37:41]
Ebro Darden
Yeah.
- [37:42]
Laura Rosenberg
The problem is we are decades from that being different because of the amount of money that is spent on people who want to consume the product. That's the challenge.
- [37:51]
Ebro Darden
Has, has the discussion. So the WNBA has been around 20. Yeah. Are we at 30?
- [37:59]
Laura Rosenberg
It's close. Late 90s. Right.
- [38:00]
Ebro Darden
Can you, can you cross reference that for me? Can anybody.
- [38:03]
Laura Rosenberg
I Bet it's like 26, 27 years.
- [38:05]
Ebro Darden
All right, so we'll go with that number at 26, 27 years. 96. So 30 this year at 30 years of the NBA.
- [38:14]
Laura Rosenberg
Oh, man.
- [38:17]
Ebro Darden
What were they made? What was happening?
- [38:18]
Laura Rosenberg
I'm pretty sure 30 years of the NBA. Lou, can you. What year is the NBA start? The association just did 75 recently. Right. Because they did 75 players.
- [38:28]
Ebro Darden
So 1950.
- [38:29]
Laura Rosenberg
So 30. So, so not late 70s nastiness disaster of a league. Money's not good.
- [38:37]
Ebro Darden
Okay.
- [38:37]
Laura Rosenberg
Players are a mess. People aren't really watching like that.
- [38:40]
Ebro Darden
And it's not an apples to apples. And I know people watching are like, nah. But the NBA is supposed to make sure that the WNBA or whatever they're. And they do pony up some dollars. They've been pony enough.
- [38:51]
Laura Rosenberg
It's their lead. Yeah.
- [38:52]
Ebro Darden
It's their league. To make sure. Even when it wasn't making money.
- [38:55]
Laura Rosenberg
Yeah. They're keeping it going.
- [38:56]
Ebro Darden
Right.
- [38:58]
Laura Rosenberg
You could question if they need to give more based on how much money they have. Sure.
- [39:00]
Ebro Darden
And that's where I was going to go.
- [39:02]
Laura Rosenberg
I would think that's fair.
- [39:03]
Ebro Darden
So I was just kind of giving some context because it's still a relatively new league. The, the, the play has changed, the storylines have changed.
- [39:11]
Laura Rosenberg
We know players, we know. We know a bunch. We always knew the biggest stars.
- [39:15]
Ebro Darden
Yes.
- [39:15]
Laura Rosenberg
But now, you know, like, if we were to go through the league, you'd be surprised now how many players, how many players you like each team. You know a player, they're close to it.
- [39:24]
Ebro Darden
That's right.
- [39:25]
Laura Rosenberg
And back in the day, it was like, I know Cheryl Swoops, I know Lisa Les, you know what I mean? Now it's like on a team on the. In New York. I know Brianna Stewart and I know Brittany Nesco and I know like each team has multiple players that you might know. It's not just Angel, Reese and Caitlin Clark. So.
- [39:39]
Ebro Darden
So the. The them going to make money in the WNBA is probably going to happen faster than the NBA is really where I wanted to land.
- [39:47]
Laura Rosenberg
I guess the question I have is because I don't know enough about because.
- [39:50]
Ebro Darden
And I only wanted to say it's because new businesses are.
- [39:52]
Laura Rosenberg
Take time.
- [39:52]
Ebro Darden
Take time.
- [39:53]
Laura Rosenberg
But I don't know because the NBA was a mess in the 70s, but that said in the 60s, right. The bill Russell Celtics, it was a thing and it was a big deal. How was the money? I don't know. Like I don't know if they were financially doing great. I don't know. But I know when you see those highlights of the Celtics running off eight chips in a row, it looks like there are crowds there. You see Red Auerbach smoking the cigar.
- [40:13]
Ebro Darden
$5 a ticket.
- [40:14]
Laura Rosenberg
5. What kind of first row seeds you talking about? I bet it was. I bet it was like 75 cents
- [40:20]
Ebro Darden
to get in there, right?
- [40:21]
Laura Rosenberg
You know, $2 to sit in the front row. So I. Who knows?
- [40:24]
Ebro Darden
Now Laura, you're familiar with the WNBA only because you are the official Latina. Latini. Latina. How do you say it? Latina announcer for the Brooklyn Nets.
- [40:38]
Laura Rosenberg
No, she's gone to games just to enjoy the wnb.
- [40:40]
Laura Styles
Okay, I am not the official one. They just invited me to be a guest multiple times.
- [40:45]
Ebro Darden
Who else goes in there speaking Spanish? Exactly. Nobody.
- [40:52]
Laura Styles
I don't know. But for no Latina they call me.
- [40:56]
Ebro Darden
Exactly. Anybody watching from the Brooklyn Nets. Listen for the Brooklyn Nets right now. Who else other than Laura Styles is in there?
- [41:02]
Laura Rosenberg
I'm going to argue that Laura Styles is not only not the official person, she's the definition of the unofficial. Like they have her regularly. But it's not official.
- [41:12]
Ebro Darden
Now. Now Laura, you. You're. You're most familiar with Ellie the Ellis, right? Why.
- [41:17]
Laura Rosenberg
Why are you doing this?
- [41:18]
Ebro Darden
Well, no, cuz she's a big.
- [41:19]
Laura Rosenberg
Ellie the elephant knows more than Ellie the Elephant.
- [41:22]
Laura Styles
Beginning I told you.
- [41:24]
Laura Rosenberg
No, no, I'm not.
- [41:26]
Ebro Darden
Now, how much money you think Ellie's making? She needs to yo.
- [41:29]
Laura Rosenberg
She needs her own collection. Bargaining.
- [41:30]
Ebro Darden
Ellie, listen. Because I'm going tell you what they're going to try to do to you, Ellie. They think anybody could get in that suit and have the swag.
- [41:36]
Laura Rosenberg
They're wrong.
- [41:37]
Ebro Darden
They're wrong. So whoever's in that suit, renegotiate your contract. Cuz you're hot out. Yeah, there's not another mascot hotter than Ellie the Elephant.
- [41:46]
Laura Rosenberg
Well, I mean, listen, elephant is in
- [41:48]
Laura Styles
vogue and like, she has partnerships with like, Fenty Beauty.
- [41:52]
Laura Rosenberg
No, listen, listen. That's crazy. Listen, she's hot. I love Ellie the elephant, but I don't want y' all to sleep on the. The people who broke down the doors, like my, like my brother, Benny the Bull.
- [42:00]
Ebro Darden
I mean, Benny the Bull was out here.
- [42:02]
Laura Rosenberg
No, no, Benny the Bull and the popcorn bit. You know how I feel about it.
- [42:04]
Ebro Darden
Yeah, but. But we're talking about now. We're talking about the women doing things now.
- [42:07]
Laura Rosenberg
But he's still out there.
- [42:08]
Ebro Darden
Yeah, but he ain't hot as Ellie the elephant.
- [42:10]
Laura Rosenberg
No, Ellie's on now.
- [42:11]
Laura Styles
You know, Ellie, we should get.
- [42:12]
Ebro Darden
You missed your moment, Mr. Bull.
- [42:14]
Laura Rosenberg
We should get Ellie to be the mascot for our show because Ebro and Ellie kind of work.
- [42:18]
Ebro Darden
Talk to them.
- [42:19]
Laura Rosenberg
The elephant.
- [42:19]
Ebro Darden
Yo, Laura, reach out to them in Spanish over there.
- [42:21]
Laura Rosenberg
Hold on. The ELR Elephant. Oh,
- [42:26]
Ebro Darden
what? But isn't that the Republican logo too?
- [42:29]
Laura Rosenberg
Damn. Yeah, but so what? We already like Ellie the elephant. They can't get off. We're not giving them elephants.
- [42:33]
Ebro Darden
They can't have it.
- [42:34]
Laura Rosenberg
No, y' all can't have elephants. You can have the USA Hockey team out there. You can have them.
- [42:40]
Ebro Darden
You can have your man. What's your man? Cash Patel. He's really a mascot.
- [42:45]
Laura Rosenberg
Let's be honest. You got. Cash Patel is yours. Yo, I got. I had a funny email chain the other day. My dad started an email chain. I've been. I've been really appreciative of like, communication with my dad these days, probably because of conversations we have on this show. And both you guys have lost your dad. And so, like, it's just been on my mind. And so I've been really trying to appreciate how much I get to hear from my dad about everything. And the other day he sent out a thing about. He sent a group chat to like, me, his like two. Two best friends and. And my uncle, his brother in law, he just random because let me tell
- [43:16]
Jumaane Williams
you something about old people.
- [43:17]
Laura Rosenberg
The new text chains and email chains. Oh, man, they just new groups every day. Where you go, I see one number. I know. I see one number. I don't know.
- [43:26]
Ebro Darden
Put them all together.
- [43:27]
Laura Rosenberg
So he sent one the other day to. To Jeremy and Ken and my Uncle Sam and me about the USA Hockey team and how disappointed he was. First of all, he called them baseball Team. I went, you mean hockey? He responded, yeah, I always mix them up.
- [43:42]
Ebro Darden
Then they both got sticks. He's not far off.
- [43:46]
Laura Rosenberg
And then the conversations go back and forth and my dad says, ah, now they're hanging out with Hitler. You know, he's good. They're going in. Then Ken comes back with Jack Hughes. Doesn't seem to be a particularly bright bulb. Right, this is the conversation I'm watching, go back. And then my dad said, only half Jewish. If he was fully Jewish, nevermind. Then my dad posted the day after yesterday. This is the day after the State of the Union. I watched last night until those frat boy quote heroes of the Olympic games came in and I went to bed. I think I fell asleep instantly. I wake up, look at the times. And I'm glad I did. I'm struck by the use of the word heroes about hockey players. A great metaphor for the stupidity of this country. There are so many heroes, but athletes, professional or otherwise really don't qualify. Except for Muhammad Ali, Colin Kaepernick and Pat Tillman. And of course number one, Jackie Robinson. Not for how they did their game, but for what they stood for. That made me sick, but I just woke up and that's all I saw. I'm proud that Jack Hughes skills came from his mother's side. I guess that's the Jewish side. I guess that's the Jewish side.
- [44:51]
Ebro Darden
Now what's interesting though is this idea that we, we in a moment, whatever's going on, when somebody does something for the country or in representation of the country, they didn't do anything for the country.
- [45:04]
Laura Rosenberg
No, they represented.
- [45:05]
Ebro Darden
But some people may interpret, you know, them uplifting people's spirits as doing something for the country. Let's, you know, if you want to do that. But there, that is the thing. We will just throw hero at somebody. They did nothing brave.
- [45:18]
Laura Rosenberg
Well, Trump, Trump in at the State of the Union told the goalie, I'm giving you the Congressional Medal of Freedom, the highest honor a civilian can get. Now listen, let's not pretend they haven't given that to a lot of people.
- [45:31]
Ebro Darden
Congratulations, you played yourself.
- [45:33]
Laura Rosenberg
I'm not going to pretend they haven't given it to a lot of people, but usually after.
- [45:36]
Ebro Darden
I need to see the list. I need to see the list. I need to see the list for the Congressional Medal of Honor or maybe somebody pull out of the list people who did absolutely nothing but blocky puck,
- [45:49]
Laura Rosenberg
you know, in like. And really you saw them in one moment because he hadn't watched halibuk in other games. It was that game. He watched him in one game, didn't know his name till he wrote it down in the prompter. Because when he. When he called them, he just kept going.
- [46:03]
Ebro Darden
The goalie.
- [46:03]
Laura Rosenberg
That goalie is something. The goalie is. So you didn't know his name on Sunday, and on Tuesday, you gave him the Congressional Medal of Freedom. Yo, we are an absolute laughingstone. You play because people get it, but they're more like lifetime achievement awards. Like, you were an actor who entertained Americans for 50 years.
- [46:23]
Ebro Darden
Yes.
- [46:24]
Laura Rosenberg
You know, or you were an athlete who did. Bill Russell. Obama gave it to Bill Russell. I want to say, you know, Bill Russell, who, by the way, was a hero in more ways than civil rights.
- [46:36]
Ebro Darden
He was active as an active civil rights activist. Time when it was super unpopular.
- [46:39]
Laura Rosenberg
Who was fighting through the racism of Boston while being the star of this team. Player, coach, all kinds of records.
- [46:47]
Jumaane Williams
I mean.
- [46:48]
Laura Styles
Okay, here we go, guys. Here we go. The recent honorees, or winners, whatever you want to call them. Giuliani.
- [46:56]
Laura Rosenberg
Oh, from Trump.
- [46:58]
Laura Styles
The former New York City, baby.
- [46:59]
Ebro Darden
But listen, don't listen. As much as we say about Giuliani. Don't. We can't act like he didn't do something during 11. He did a thing.
- [47:05]
Laura Rosenberg
At some point, it would have made sense for him to get.
- [47:07]
Ebro Darden
That's right.
- [47:07]
Laura Rosenberg
Sure.
- [47:08]
Laura Styles
And Charlie Kirk.
- [47:11]
Ebro Darden
See, give it to the goalie. The goalie deserves it more than Charlie Kirk.
- [47:16]
Laura Rosenberg
You know what?
- [47:17]
Ebro Darden
If we're. If we're measuring it.
- [47:18]
Laura Rosenberg
But Charlie Kirk went around to schools and.
- [47:21]
Ebro Darden
And did nothing except cause problems.
- [47:23]
Laura Rosenberg
And now the other guy's doing it. You see that? No, the guy, your man, Myron Gaines.
- [47:28]
Ebro Darden
Never heard of him.
- [47:29]
Laura Rosenberg
He's the. He's the God. He's the. He's this breakout star from Fresh and From T. Pusa. From Fresh and Fit. Now he's Fresh and Fit, baby.
- [47:36]
Ebro Darden
What's Fresh and fit?
- [47:37]
Laura Styles
He's. He's. He's a disgusting, gross, like, bigot. And he's, like, the worst. What's his background? Rosenberg.
- [47:46]
Laura Rosenberg
He. He.
- [47:47]
Laura Styles
I don't even know.
- [47:47]
Laura Rosenberg
Is he Dominican? I don't know. He looks. He looks black.
- [47:49]
Ebro Darden
No, no, wait. Google it.
- [47:51]
Laura Styles
He's. I think he's Somalian or something like that. I think. I don't know.
- [47:56]
Laura Rosenberg
I. I don't know.
- [47:57]
Ebro Darden
Whatever. Gonna accept you in T. Pusa. He's.
- [48:00]
Laura Rosenberg
I don't even know what his race is. All I see is bigot color.
- [48:04]
Laura Styles
He loves to go after black women.
- [48:05]
Laura Rosenberg
Oh, he goes out Jew. Oh, Jew stuff. He wears the shirt.
- [48:09]
Ebro Darden
Wait, is this the Black dude that was hanging out with Andrew Tate and all of.
- [48:12]
Laura Rosenberg
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
- [48:16]
Ebro Darden
Wait, he's the new Charlie Kirk? Are you just saying that he's.
- [48:20]
Laura Rosenberg
He's getting a.
- [48:21]
Ebro Darden
He's not with T. Pusa.
- [48:22]
Laura Rosenberg
He's not with T. Pusa, but he's getting a big algorithm push. Tell me if I'm. Guys, tell me. What if I'm wrong? Big algorithm push. And he's doing the. Going around to college campuses and saying, debate me. Except say what you want about Charlie Kirk. I will say a lot. He wasn't stupid, right? Like, he could have debates where he has. He held.
- [48:42]
Ebro Darden
He retained.
- [48:43]
Laura Rosenberg
He retained information very well, a little bit.
- [48:45]
Ebro Darden
But he also did not have facts on a lot of things.
- [48:48]
Laura Rosenberg
No, no, no. But that was intentional lying. That's different. That was. I'm not saying he was an honest broker. He was a liar, but he knew. This guy can't even keep up the argument. Like. Like you got. He's getting roasted by college kids. He's out here getting roasted. But this is what we're gonna have the next. Who. Who wants to be the next, you know, hero?
- [49:07]
Laura Styles
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- [50:10]
Laura Rosenberg
Damn. Yeah, I love my suit in these people. Why you got this? We got. Someone has to do something. Get this guy out of the spotlight, bro. My. This guy is a joker. I mean, he's bad, bro. He wears a shirt. He wears this shirt all the time. That has. It's like a Sesame Street. It's like Elmo or some Sesame street character. Cookie Monster. That makes sense. Putting cookies in the oven. And it's a metaphor for Jews going in the oven. And everyone knows that's what the whole thing is. And he wears the shirt out and then he's super anti Israel with it. It's not good. Anyways, so the Congressional Medal of Freedom is obviously made a joke by Trump. Just like.
- [50:47]
Ebro Darden
Yeah, you know, and I'm sure, I'm sure there's other times in history where there's people that, you know, people didn't think should have got.
- [50:53]
Laura Rosenberg
I guarantee you the list, though, has gotten worse post Trump. If we were to break it down. How much you want to bet?
- [50:58]
Ebro Darden
Probably. And some other more serious news. Do you guys. Are you guys watching what's going on in Quakertown, Pennsylvania?
- [51:06]
Laura Rosenberg
No.
- [51:06]
Ebro Darden
Where the. Well, let's run this. Do you have the Tizzy ent shout out to Tizzy Ent on Instagram. Always doing something on the right side of history and putting in that work.
- [51:16]
Laura Rosenberg
We love that.
- [51:16]
Ebro Darden
Some teenagers were leaving high school. Story goes. All right, A walkout in a protest, okay. They got support from their principal.
- [51:26]
Laura Rosenberg
What was the cause?
- [51:27]
Ebro Darden
I believe the car was. I don't recall what.
- [51:31]
Laura Rosenberg
Anti ice.
- [51:31]
Ebro Darden
Yeah, it was ice.
- [51:32]
Laura Rosenberg
It was my niece and nephew's high school. My high school bcc. They did the same thing.
- [51:36]
Ebro Darden
Got a walk out. Well, here's the full story.
- [51:38]
Laura Rosenberg
All right.
- [51:48]
Jumaane Williams
Holy.
- [51:50]
Guest or News Reporter
We're talking about Quakertown, a borough of Philadelphia. Normally see a video like that, an older white guy attacking kids who appear to be protesting. Then you see my face pop up. You're expecting me to go like, who is this guy? Only I don't need to do that because we unfortunately already know who this is. And I say unfortunately because he's the chief of police there. That was their chief of police putting a teenage girl in a chokehold. Of course, inevitably there's going to be the people who were like, well, what did they do? Nothing. They were trying to exercise their First Amendment rights. And police were like, you can't do that. And trying to stop them when this old piece of came rushing in and just grabbed one of the girls in a choke hold. And then they all dog piled. And from this angle, you can see just how terrified this young girl is. This video comes from Evan yells at clouds on Instagram and the other girls didn't hesitate to jump in what is apparently or appears to be a man attacking one of their own. And they stood up and defended. So now a bunch of them have been arrested. It was originally being reported that they were held overnight, but I'm told at least some of them were held through today. Tuesday there was court today. There was a blizzard basically over the weekend. And those kids didn't get to be with their families because they were facing charges over an incident that was instigated and escalated by the police.
- [53:03]
Ebro Darden
So it goes to. It goes on to talk about how the principal supported the kids during the walkout and the protest. And then the Internet got a hold of the principal supporting the kids and started to basically bully the principal and put and docs all his information. The principal who still went on to support the kids and was like, hey, we need to provide a kind of safe environment. But then the police were basically like, you can't allow the kids to do this in this town. And it escalated to the chief of police choking a girl from a high school girl.
- [53:40]
Laura Rosenberg
I can't imagine, yo, the level of jail time you might be looking at if that were your child.
- [53:48]
Ebro Darden
Now, according to Buck, Bucks County Herald, the Quakertown area residents urge council to fire the police chief. They. They tried to give or trying to give the students aggravated assault charges for
- [54:02]
Laura Rosenberg
defending their right friend.
- [54:03]
Ebro Darden
Yeah.
- [54:05]
Laura Rosenberg
By the way, that cop wasn't even in uniform.
- [54:07]
Ebro Darden
No.
- [54:08]
Laura Rosenberg
So it's just a random man. Let's be clear. It just looks like a random man also who's fighting a child.
- [54:15]
Ebro Darden
That's right. And with other police standing by. But that was the police chief.
- [54:23]
Laura Rosenberg
These people are monsters, man.
- [54:25]
Ebro Darden
Three students have been released four days after they were taken into custody. So that was on Tuesday when he was talking about. Since then, since the students are charged as juveniles, authorities have not released their names, ages, etc.
- [54:38]
Laura Rosenberg
Etc.
- [54:38]
Ebro Darden
The news organization. This news organization, Philly Burbs.com has confirmed at least two face felony aggravated assault for the alleged attack on Quakertown Police Chief Scott McKelry. Now, based on that video, the police chief claims he had the right to detain that girl.
- [54:59]
Laura Rosenberg
Why? What did she do?
- [55:01]
Laura Styles
Yeah, what was the reason?
- [55:02]
Laura Rosenberg
Let's. Let's play the game. We want to play the game. Let's play the game. What did she do?
- [55:08]
Ebro Darden
It doesn't say. It just says that. The video shows him physically confronting student protesters, including allegedly punching a girl, grabbing a boy, and putting another girl in a chokehold.
- [55:19]
Laura Rosenberg
So there's another girl who was punched. Yes, according to people. Yo, I'm proud of those kids for defending one of their fellow students. It's disgusting. Yo, kids have been. Laura, Kids have been walking out of schools and protesting every once in A while. Forever. And usually what happens is if you go to a decent school, they. The teachers hear that it's happening. The principals here, that's happening. They go, all right, maybe they'll discourage and say, hey, guys, we have some stuff today. Or they just suck it up and go, all right, if you're going to do it, try to be back by blah. They try to play along with them to let the kids do show that they care about something and not punish them for it. That's kind of like, how can we teach our kids to have an investment in what's happening in the world and want to protest and be active without punishing them? That's what good schools do. And obviously this principal tried to do that, and this small dick loser had to come up and try to choke a girl. And then. Y' all proud of the kids. I'd be proud if Maya. If Maya were among the kids who defended her friend and punched that dude in the head, I'd say that's. That's when you should punch someone in the head.
- [56:28]
Ebro Darden
Well, and I reading this. This. This news report, there was an adult man that jumped on top of the police chief, and they were trying to charge him, too, because he jumped on the police chief to try to yank him off the girl.
- [56:41]
Laura Rosenberg
Well, that makes sense, too, right?
- [56:42]
Ebro Darden
Yeah. But they said that that person has not been.
- [56:44]
Laura Rosenberg
This is all in Bucks County.
- [56:45]
Ebro Darden
Bucks County.
- [56:46]
Laura Rosenberg
Well, that's. That's where Dip's from.
- [56:48]
Ebro Darden
So. Yeah. Quakertown, Pennsylvania.
- [56:50]
Laura Rosenberg
Quakertown, Pennsylvania, though, makes it sound way further away than it is Bucks County's Philly suburbs. So just everyone's clear.
- [56:58]
Ebro Darden
Got it.
- [56:58]
Laura Rosenberg
Like, Quakertown makes me feel like. Where in Pennsylvania is this? If it's Bucks county, it's right there.
- [57:03]
Ebro Darden
Yeah, it's definitely Bucks.
- [57:04]
Laura Rosenberg
It's Philly, so.
- [57:06]
Ebro Darden
Yeah. That some of the going zones now. Musical goings on. Are you guys aware of the Miley Cyrus Bruno Mars kerfuffle?
- [57:17]
Laura Rosenberg
It sounds familiar. Did we hear about it a long time ago and then.
- [57:22]
Ebro Darden
No, I don't. I don't recall hearing about it until this week.
- [57:25]
Laura Rosenberg
So this isn't about.
- [57:26]
Ebro Darden
But these songs are older.
- [57:30]
Laura Rosenberg
Didn't someone. This is.
- [57:31]
Laura Styles
What are the songs?
- [57:31]
Ebro Darden
Yeah, what are the songs you have? Here we go. We'll have a listen. We have Miley Cyrus flowers, Right?
- [57:48]
Laura Rosenberg
All right, stop it. We all. Everyone knows that song.
- [57:51]
Ebro Darden
Okay. But Bruno Mars is saying they stole from him.
- [57:55]
Laura Rosenberg
What's his song called?
- [58:01]
Laura Styles
I sh
- [58:04]
Laura Rosenberg
and held your hand should have gave you all my hours. All right, Stopping. He's in trouble. What's that one called?
- [58:17]
Ebro Darden
When I was your man.
- [58:19]
Laura Rosenberg
Am I confused, or did someone else, another star, make another song that was like a sequel to Flowers?
- [58:26]
Jumaane Williams
I don't know.
- [58:38]
Laura Rosenberg
All right, so what are they trying to say it is. Besides talking about Flowers?
- [58:41]
Ebro Darden
Well, Bruno is saying they stole. They stole where? I think it's words and an interpolation that they didn't get credit for.
- [58:48]
Laura Rosenberg
What's the interpretation?
- [58:49]
Ebro Darden
There wasn't. Wasn't approval for. By Miley.
- [58:55]
Laura Rosenberg
What do you think?
- [58:56]
Laura Styles
Interesting.
- [58:58]
Laura Rosenberg
I don't hear it at my first listen.
- [59:00]
Ebro Darden
It's tough. I kind of hear it, but it's also, like, not quite the legal dispute. When I was your man is suing Miley Cyrus over our hit Flowers, claiming it copies melodic, harmonic, and lyrical elements. Bruno Mars is not personally involved in the lawsuit. Tempo Music claims Flowers is an unauthorized exploitation of his work.
- [59:25]
Laura Rosenberg
So. So another part of it is. So here's the big part. Okay. This is what I thought. All right. People had interpreted Miley Cyrus's Flowers.
- [59:38]
Ebro Darden
Yes.
- [59:39]
Laura Rosenberg
To be a response record.
- [59:41]
Ebro Darden
Got it.
- [59:43]
Laura Rosenberg
So Bruno sings, I should have bought you flowers and held your hands. Miley responds, I can buy myself flowers. I can hold my own hand. So that's part of it is that she's actually responding to his in way.
- [60:00]
Ebro Darden
Yeah, yeah, yeah. You don't always.
- [60:03]
Laura Rosenberg
It always surprises me that things like this can't get solved with, like, a mutual friend phone call. Like, let's just find who owns it.
- [60:12]
Ebro Darden
You're assuming Miley owns it, and you're assuming Bruno owns it.
- [60:14]
Guest or News Reporter
All right.
- [60:15]
Laura Rosenberg
Right. So who's. Who else is involved?
- [60:17]
Ebro Darden
It said some company. Tempo Music. It said Bruno Mars not even involved. So it's not even really Bruno and Miley. Oh. Or I don't know if it's on Miley's side, but on Bruno's side, that just said Bruno's not actually involved.
- [60:29]
Laura Rosenberg
He didn't make. He didn't write the record.
- [60:30]
Jumaane Williams
Or.
- [60:30]
Ebro Darden
Or he's not, you know, for what. The part that he owns. He's not suing. I don't know. I don't know where he's at in
- [60:37]
Laura Rosenberg
that whole thing because it just seems like an unnecessary. You would think, like, figure it out.
- [60:42]
Guest or Producer
Yeah.
- [60:42]
Laura Rosenberg
And if. And if, in fact, like, out. If Bruno cared about it. Right. Because Miley's record was so big. How do we turn this into something else? Cool. You know, where we were. We all just kind of benefit from it.
- [60:53]
Ebro Darden
There you go.
- [60:53]
Laura Rosenberg
You know, like, let's. Let's do a record together.
- [60:55]
Ebro Darden
You would think that's what you think?
- [60:57]
Laura Rosenberg
So it doesn't surprise me that it's more a publishing thing than them, because. Yeah, but I don't. I don't musically hear. Like, for example, I always could hear from the second I heard the Robin Thicke record, I heard Marvin Gaye.
- [61:11]
Ebro Darden
Right.
- [61:12]
Laura Rosenberg
And I still didn't have a problem with Pharrell and Robin Thicke. Like, I. I still think it was mostly an influence, but you could hear it. Like, really hear it. I don't really hear it in this. Except the words. You know what I'm saying?
- [61:27]
Ebro Darden
That's right.
- [61:28]
Laura Rosenberg
I don't.
- [61:29]
Ebro Darden
And the response.
- [61:29]
Laura Rosenberg
Yeah. The fact that she's kind of. But is that. But I mean, you telling me now, now, sporting thieves can't make no pigeons.
- [61:37]
Ebro Darden
It's not hip hop. It's not a different era, bro. Yeah, because. Yeah, in this era, that's why people don't do a lot of sampling. There's not a lot of jacking for beats. There's not a lot of. Especially as official releases. Right. Which is why Cole, when he puts out his birthday blizzard, it goes on, you know, even. You know, whatever that. The site even. And you know, you can pay what you want for, but it's not on a streaming service.
- [61:59]
Laura Rosenberg
Right? Yo, no. Pigeons was a moment in time. It's so funny.
- [62:04]
Ebro Darden
No Pigeons before Laura. We got to get to the rundown and the lowdown. You got anything for the lowdown today?
- [62:13]
Laura Styles
Not for the lowdown, but I just saw something for the rundown that's kind of cool. You guys ready?
- [62:20]
Ebro Darden
Yeah. Let's get it. Laura got the rundown. Turn that up. Screens on glow when she pulled up headlines heavy, but we still caught up. Light still flashing, we don't slow up.
- [62:32]
Laura Styles
All right, it looks like we have some new. New names that have been announced for the Rockin Rock and Roll hall of Fame. Oh, Lauryn Hill.
- [62:44]
Ebro Darden
Okay.
- [62:45]
Laura Styles
Wu Tang, Jeff Buckley, Phil Collins, Luther Vandross, Shakira Pink, New Edition, and Melissa Etheridge all first year.
- [62:55]
Ebro Darden
That's a nice list, but these are people we gotta go vote for. They gotta vote on this still.
- [62:59]
Laura Rosenberg
Yeah, the public.
- [63:00]
Laura Styles
Yeah.
- [63:02]
Ebro Darden
So, yeah, man, we gotta get to voting. We need to make some sort of. Can we make a graphic Their first
- [63:08]
Laura Rosenberg
time nominee, Wu Tang.
- [63:09]
Laura Styles
Yeah, I know.
- [63:12]
Laura Rosenberg
I. I thought they were already edition, too.
- [63:15]
Ebro Darden
New additions. First time nominee.
- [63:18]
Laura Styles
Yeah.
- [63:18]
Ebro Darden
Love it.
- [63:19]
Laura Styles
I mean, they're on that list. That's dope.
- [63:22]
Laura Rosenberg
This list is fire. No one tell Gene Simmons. Gene Simmons gonna be hot.
- [63:28]
Ebro Darden
Yo, Gene Simmons. Check this out.
- [63:29]
Laura Rosenberg
Fan slap no f out of Here. So hold on. Wu Tang in excess. Your girl Melissa Etheridge.
- [63:42]
Ebro Darden
I love Melissa.
- [63:43]
Laura Rosenberg
Sorry, Laura. I'm rereading some of the things Laura already said. New Edition. Yeah.
- [63:47]
Ebro Darden
And Lauryn Hill.
- [63:48]
Laura Rosenberg
But there's. Yeah, yeah. Pink Shakira, Luther Vandross, Lauryn Hill. Wow, y' all crazy. Is it that last year, Chubby Checker winning.
- [64:01]
Ebro Darden
Well, why is that crazy?
- [64:03]
Laura Rosenberg
Just the order of the order.
- [64:04]
Ebro Darden
Oh, like why now?
- [64:05]
Laura Rosenberg
It's just so, so crazy.
- [64:06]
Ebro Darden
It's so. Yeah, it is crazy. I don't know why it happens like that. Rosenberg is all in on the Rock and Roll hall of Fame.
- [64:12]
Laura Rosenberg
Well, I was two years ago.
- [64:14]
Ebro Darden
You went two years ago for Truck? No, but I think once you went and you kind of experienced it, it. Cuz the few times I've gone open me up to it a lot more.
- [64:21]
Laura Rosenberg
Nah, it's cool. Like they've turned it into an actual award show. You can enjoy like speeches from big stars about big bands. Yeah. Then performances from big people. Like, it's just chock full of big stuff.
- [64:34]
Ebro Darden
And I don't know how much credit goes to our brother Quest Love, but I'd like to give him a shout out because he's been involved for the
- [64:39]
Laura Rosenberg
last four at least. Yeah.
- [64:41]
Ebro Darden
Maybe five years.
- [64:42]
Laura Rosenberg
Yeah, he's been a big part of turning that in the right direction and getting the representation to be proper.
- [64:47]
Jumaane Williams
That's right.
- [64:48]
Laura Rosenberg
He was a big part of tribe getting in there. Outkast. Of course, getting in last year was awesome, but we have still skipped, you know, it does skip all the order
- [64:56]
Ebro Darden
that I don't even want to get into.
- [64:57]
Laura Rosenberg
Eric B. And Rakim got to go in, guys. We got to figure this out.
- [65:00]
Ebro Darden
We gotta have quests on somebody reach out to Quest, see if we could talk to him about what's.
- [65:03]
Laura Rosenberg
But I think everything. Rakim have been nominated, so it's a matter of them getting voted for. And the problem is when a Wu Tang Clan comes along, it blows out people like Eric being Rakim.
- [65:13]
Ebro Darden
Right.
- [65:13]
Laura Rosenberg
Because there's so many fans and they're so big, so. But the fact is out, Rakim needs to be in there.
- [65:19]
Ebro Darden
Yes, without a doubt.
- [65:21]
Laura Rosenberg
He. You can argue. I think it's a reasonable argument that he's the most important, like the most important influential rapper of all time. Yeah, right.
- [65:29]
Ebro Darden
That's reasonable.
- [65:30]
Laura Rosenberg
I think it's complete.
- [65:31]
Laura Styles
How do you. How do you secure a nomination? How does that work? Is it like a team within the Rock and Roll hall of Fame? Do they have like a committee? Is that how it works?
- [65:40]
Laura Rosenberg
Yeah, yeah. No, it's a committee. It's a committee that works on coming up with nominations, I believe. And then. And then they have voters, and then, like. And then some people get in from public vote, and some people get in through votes in the, like, academy or whatever.
- [65:58]
Ebro Darden
Yeah. Stop listening because the explanation was long.
- [66:00]
Laura Rosenberg
Sorry, that's what I think it is.
- [66:02]
Ebro Darden
No, I mean, you're probably right, but that was a long explanation. It seems complicated. I'm gonna just go do my part and vote.
- [66:06]
Jumaane Williams
You vote all right.
- [66:08]
Laura Rosenberg
For that one. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
- [66:10]
Ebro Darden
Now, Laura Styles.
- [66:11]
Laura Styles
Yes.
- [66:12]
Ebro Darden
You got more in the rundown.
- [66:15]
Laura Styles
I actually. I think I can consider this part of the lowdown.
- [66:18]
Ebro Darden
Okay, messiness.
- [66:19]
Laura Styles
Let's go.
- [66:20]
Laura Rosenberg
Let's go.
- [66:20]
Laura Styles
Just because it's stupid. Time for the low. Down
- [66:27]
Ebro Darden
with Laura style.
- [66:35]
Laura Styles
So, you know, Don Lemon has. Has had his share of legal problems, right? But let's add another one now. A woman, okay, by the name of Ann Doucet, claims that she went to her service. You know, the one in Minnesota where the church protest took place and was covered by Don Lemon last month. Well, now she's suing Don Lemon, saying that she suffered severe emotional distress as a result of the incident.
- [67:04]
Jumaane Williams
Get out of here.
- [67:06]
Laura Styles
She's alleging that Don, and along with others, they unlawfully interfere with her ability and freely exercise her religion in a private place of worship. So she wants money.
- [67:19]
Ebro Darden
So let me guess. She. She stopped and did an interview with Don Lemon. Is that what she said?
- [67:25]
Laura Styles
She was one of the ones. I think she was just attending. Yeah.
- [67:27]
Ebro Darden
So she was. Just happened to be there. And it's Don Lemon's fault because.
- [67:31]
Laura Rosenberg
Why is it Don Lemon's fault now?
- [67:33]
Ebro Darden
Because he was a reporter, and he's the. He probably had the most money. Who's she gonna sue? One of the other activists. They ain't got no money to come after him. She want to go after Don Lemon. She see big, big check. He's gonna make money back. That's why. And. And also, what will end up happening here, I'd assume, is if Don Lemon gets off of his charges, which are basically claiming he had something to do with the protest and the interference and bringing that energy into the. Into the church, then her lawsuit falls apart, too. But she might as well. I think, in her eyes, she might as well shoot the shot, see if she can walk away with a couple of hundred thousand.
- [68:09]
Laura Rosenberg
Right?
- [68:10]
Laura Styles
Exactly. Nowadays, you never know. She might have a chance.
- [68:13]
Ebro Darden
No, she's shooting the shot.
- [68:14]
Laura Rosenberg
I mean, this is Trump's America, baby. You never know. Going after the black man for no
- [68:17]
Ebro Darden
reason getting paid, just a journalist journaling.
- [68:22]
Laura Rosenberg
Just. He was out there talking to people, being curious about what was going on.
- [68:25]
Ebro Darden
Yeah.
- [68:26]
Laura Styles
What kills me is like, every time I see a clip of him saying, like, yeah, I'm not part of the protest. I'm just covering it. Like, he says it.
- [68:32]
Laura Rosenberg
He does. It's like they were trying to catch him up in it from the beginning. He's like, no, I'm just, I'm just here.
- [68:36]
Laura Styles
Right.
- [68:37]
Laura Rosenberg
I don't know if you guys are aware, both sides. Yeah. I don't know if, you know, they're aware that there are things going on here in Minneapolis at the time to be covered.
- [68:45]
Ebro Darden
Thank you. Laura Style.
- [68:46]
Laura Rosenberg
Thank you.
- [68:46]
Ebro Darden
Thank you so much.
- [68:48]
Laura Styles
Hold on to your speaker.
- [68:49]
Ebro Darden
Hold on to your speakers.
- [68:52]
Laura Styles
Time for the Low down with Laura
- [68:56]
Ebro Darden
St.
- [69:02]
Laura Styles
Yo, guys, you know what? I. I was.
- [69:03]
Ebro Darden
Yo, we're doing a long show today, just so y'. All, Just so y' all know.
- [69:06]
Laura Rosenberg
Hit him off on a Thursday, you
- [69:07]
Ebro Darden
know, I mean, hit you off with that long, that long from downtown back
- [69:11]
Laura Rosenberg
to Clay, yo, like Clay Thompson. What were you saying, Laura?
- [69:14]
Laura Styles
I was just saying that. I was reading, you know how CNN sends you, like, oh, top five stories. There's this one story that's moving right now about how the government is trying to pressure banks, okay. To give personal information on anybody who has a bank account to target undocumented
- [69:32]
Ebro Darden
folks like, can I, can I one up you, Laura Styles, Please, please, go ahead, pull up my. Where is it? Where's where? What was the title of it? Oh, here we go. Pentagon pressuring Anthropic. Aaron Parness. Remember I told you guys to start using Claude? Remember I told you guys that, that, that I AI was backed by a company called Anthropic of people who left open AI and wanted to do something responsible? Well, the Pentagon. That's right, Pete Hegseth. The whole Defense Department of Defense is going after Anthropic. Now here's the story.
- [70:15]
Guest or News Reader
Pete Hegseth, the Secretary of Defense is pressuring Anthropic, an AI company, to allow the Secretary of Defense to use Anthropic's products to conduct mass domestic surveillance of American citizens along with, quote, kinetic autonomous operations without human oversight, essentially killing people on the battlefield without any human oversight. And according to Fox News, if they don't agree to this, then Hexif and the defense of department could censure them or label them a supply chain threat. This is from Jennifer Griffin today. She says that Secretary Hexseth gave the head of Anthropic an ultimatum. The ultimatum essentially would require the Pentagon to be allowed to use Anthropic's AI model for mass domestic surveillance and kinetic autonomous operations without human oversight or face censure and label supply chain threat. Now, right now, Anthropic has two stipulations. The first is that it would never be used for autonomous kinetic operations. Essentially, Anthropic right now requires human oversight when they use AI models to kill things for safety reasons, because otherwise the model could lose control and automatically start killing large groups without humans in the kill chain. Second, Anthropic bars its model from being used for mass domestic surveillance. Hexeth wants these restrictions lifted.
- [71:31]
Laura Rosenberg
These are the most evil people in human history. Literally. They will, if they continue to get to do this, we will be George Orwell. Robots killing people. They don't give a shit. They.
- [71:44]
Laura Styles
Nope, nope, they don't care.
- [71:46]
Laura Rosenberg
I don't even know what their end game is. Is it just money? I don't even know what.
- [71:51]
Ebro Darden
No, it's control too.
- [71:52]
Laura Rosenberg
So people control, but it's not enough to be able to use these things, but they have to be able to use it in the most dangerous ways humanly possible.
- [72:02]
Ebro Darden
Well, and dictate to the creator of the thing how it's being used.
- [72:06]
Laura Rosenberg
And they're saying, we know we created it. You can't use it this way.
- [72:10]
Ebro Darden
And they're saying, listen, that we don't care.
- [72:12]
Laura Rosenberg
These are the most.
- [72:13]
Ebro Darden
Or you're labeled a supply chain threat.
- [72:16]
Laura Rosenberg
What does that mean? Supply chain that's needed in the supply chain. What do you mean supply chain? Supply chain of what?
- [72:22]
Ebro Darden
Let's, let's have our Google's supply chain threat.
- [72:26]
Laura Rosenberg
These people, man, Pete hate.
- [72:28]
Ebro Darden
Supply chain threats include cyber attacks, geopolitical instability, natural disasters, and economic shifts, with attacks increasing over 2600% since 2018. Major risks include, but are not limited to ransomware, supplier fraud, data breaches, labor shortages, which can cripple operations, halt production and cause significant financial loss. So I guess they're saying we'll label you as one of these if you don't capitulate. Which I guess would then allow them to shut them down. Right? Because wouldn't any of those things I just rattled off, you would think that the government and this, this alcoholic, yes,
- [73:07]
Laura Rosenberg
abusive Fox News weekend host.
- [73:10]
Ebro Darden
Yes.
- [73:10]
Laura Rosenberg
Is gonna be allowed to be the one who decides that drones can essentially just start killing people willy nilly without any human control.
- [73:19]
Ebro Darden
Well, and it's also what he's being told to do. Don't act like he's moving autonomously well,
- [73:24]
Laura Rosenberg
then back to the word autonomous.
- [73:25]
Ebro Darden
I just wanted to use it again.
- [73:27]
Laura Rosenberg
Where is this.
- [73:28]
Ebro Darden
But who.
- [73:28]
Laura Rosenberg
Who do you think cares about this? Stephen Miller. Yeah. And Stephen Miller, probably.
- [73:33]
Ebro Darden
Absolutely. They want eyes on everything, bro. We have concentration camps in the United States right now that. Are you guys not processing that?
- [73:41]
Laura Rosenberg
I mean, I guess you're right. We should. Why should we be surpr.
- [73:45]
Ebro Darden
Have you.
- [73:45]
Laura Rosenberg
Have you seen shoving people in can.
- [73:47]
Ebro Darden
Have you seen the Alabama jail videos?
- [73:51]
Laura Rosenberg
No.
- [73:51]
Laura Styles
Oh, my God.
- [73:52]
Jumaane Williams
I have.
- [73:53]
Laura Styles
Ibrah. Why did you even bring that up?
- [73:54]
Ebro Darden
Because it's happening in your country. It's in the United States of America.
- [73:58]
Laura Rosenberg
We're so.
- [73:59]
Ebro Darden
They're abusing people in jail.
- [74:01]
Laura Rosenberg
Yeah.
- [74:02]
Ebro Darden
What do I mean? Pick a version.
- [74:04]
Laura Rosenberg
Pick a version. I don't know. I don't know.
- [74:06]
Ebro Darden
A starving man on a floor without clothes in a. Just a. A wrecked room with no furniture, just on the floor, dying in front of your eyes. And. And other inmates are filming it, like, yo, help us, bro. People. Cops standing around beating a man in the yard while people are like, snuck phones in and they're filming it and trying to get it out to people and get the video out that they are being just abused in jail. We're supposed to be humane, by the way, which is why I'm bringing it up, because most people be like. There are people who are like, yo, they're in jail.
- [74:37]
Laura Rosenberg
Oh, yeah.
- [74:37]
Guest or News Reporter
No.
- [74:37]
Laura Rosenberg
Oh, yeah. I mean, the crowd, you know, the
- [74:40]
Ebro Darden
marketing to people who haven't been in jail before, those who have been in jail or know about jail will be like, yo, it's been going on a long time. And. And when I saw it, I was like, okay, now do Louisiana. Now do Mississippi, do Kentucky, do Arkansas. I'm telling you, go to all these states, these red states that make money on the private prison system and keeping black people in the most in living in squalor. Go. Look, you have been lied to about what your country is doing, and it is not humane by any far stretch of the imagination.
- [75:14]
Laura Rosenberg
But is it rehabilitating? Yeah, you're right.
- [75:19]
Ebro Darden
No, it's crazy. All right. And so, you know, it's. This is a time for people to wake up. I know they're telling you, don't be woke, but wake up.
- [75:29]
Laura Rosenberg
Well, and does this unfortunately come back around to midterms and the next election?
- [75:34]
Ebro Darden
That's all you got? That's all you got? What other tools you got, man? That's. The only tools you have as a regular person is to vote.
- [75:42]
Laura Rosenberg
And the likely in the. And unless.
- [75:45]
Ebro Darden
Unless you're like these people in the comments who are like, yo, we need to get our guns. You don't have enough money or guns. You don't have enough guns, and you don't have enough money. So all that tough talk is meaningless.
- [75:56]
Laura Rosenberg
And enough people who are willing to do that. Well.
- [76:00]
Ebro Darden
And by the way, like my dad always used to say, everybody's going to turn their backs on you when their refrigerator is bare and their power runs out.
- [76:09]
Laura Rosenberg
Right?
- [76:11]
Ebro Darden
If you can't keep food in people's fridge, they can only protest so long.
- [76:17]
Laura Rosenberg
At some point, they're just falling down. What are you gonna do?
- [76:20]
Ebro Darden
What am I gonna do? We don't grow our own food. You're gonna have to go to the store. You're gonna need some money.
- [76:27]
Laura Rosenberg
This is another one of those now I really have to move episodes because I feel guilty. It makes me feel bad to be here, but I know I can't do anything. I'm not just being honest.
- [76:39]
Ebro Darden
No, you can't.
- [76:39]
Laura Rosenberg
We can get up here and yap until they stop letting us do that. And then we. And then. And then I just want everyone to be clear. I will be brave about my opinions until it really seems like they're going to show up. And then we'll do some secret. There'll be some secret chat. You got to find us on the dark web. I don't know. But I now I have a daughter. I'm not risk. So ultimately, we're all selfish, right? We have to protect our own, the ones in our home.
- [77:06]
Ebro Darden
That's why I just said that's why my dad said, people gonna rock with you until.
- [77:10]
Laura Rosenberg
So. So then where do we go? We're just gonna stay. Then you stay here and hope it doesn't make it to you. You said Germany's taking people, right?
- [77:17]
Ebro Darden
Germany's asking for some positive folks to pull up.
- [77:20]
Laura Rosenberg
I think we're positive. Can we make a nice impression?
- [77:24]
Ebro Darden
But let's listen. As much as racism is illegal, I was gonna get. Have you guys seen the lady who got arrested in Brazil for calling the people that work at the bar the monkeys? I don't know if we have time to get to that clip, but you can research on his own. Jazz. Shout out to my lady. Jazz. She gave it to me, but they arrested her. They arrested her and she sucked. She's. Yo, Argentina, y'. All. Y' all are getting a bad rap. She's Argentinean.
- [77:46]
Laura Rosenberg
I know.
- [77:46]
Ebro Darden
Argentina. Argentina just keeps catching it, bro.
- [77:49]
Laura Rosenberg
No, there are races everywhere.
- [77:50]
Laura Styles
Y' all getting a bad rap.
- [77:52]
Laura Rosenberg
It's welcome.
- [77:53]
Ebro Darden
Well, no, no, no. I'm just saying, like, I thought I was like one of the few people who knew that Argent Argentina was like, outside of like Nazi Germany. It was like then Argentina.
- [78:04]
Laura Rosenberg
Well, not a lot of Nazis went there. Yeah, but obviously I've known wonderful Argentinian people. But it's bad. But the stories are not good.
- [78:12]
Ebro Darden
No.
- [78:13]
Laura Rosenberg
Does this woman doing that even.
- [78:14]
Laura Styles
They will tell you, bro.
- [78:16]
Laura Rosenberg
Yeah, of course they will. I mean, it's just like America. I mean, same as everything. But this video is insane. It does not look good. And I like that they arrest her in Brazil. Brazil.
- [78:24]
Ebro Darden
Well, now she's got to wear an ankle monitor and stay in Brazil until her thing she came and go home.
- [78:28]
Laura Rosenberg
Oh, man, you effed up. Hit the button.
- [78:30]
Jumaane Williams
Congratulations.
- [78:31]
Laura Rosenberg
You wanted to do all kinds of monkey sounds and now you got an ankle monitor. Oh, you thought you were. You know, she had the smuggest face after. She was like, I just came up
- [78:39]
Ebro Darden
with a good one. Yo, run it, run it.
- [78:40]
Laura Rosenberg
I gotta see it now. You gotta see her.
- [78:42]
Ebro Darden
Stupid. Y'. All Getting a long episod.
- [78:44]
Guest or Producer
This 29 year old female from Argentina named Augustina Paez was visiting Rio de Janeiro in January. She was at a bar with friends and I guess they were drinking, having a good time. For the video tab came by. She was in disagreement with the amount. I guess she was being charged. A dispute ended up happening. She exited the establishment and then proceeded to do monkey noises, basically calling the staff monkeys, which is considered racism.
- [79:08]
Laura Rosenberg
I would think so.
- [79:09]
Guest or Producer
And so she thought she was going to get away with it. Everything's gonna be cool.
- [79:12]
Ebro Darden
This ain't Argentina.
- [79:13]
Jumaane Williams
No problem.
- [79:15]
Guest or Producer
Psych. Brazil said, hell nah, we ain't standing for that.
- [79:19]
Laura Rosenberg
No.
- [79:19]
Guest or Producer
And they got harassed. They arrested her and then on top of that, they released her on an ankle bracelet. And she has to remain in Brazil for the duration of time until they sentence her and she could be sentenced to two to five years of imprisonment. Okay, so Brazil does not. It comes to racism, guys, make sure you're doing your research when you're going to a different country before you end up getting locked up for something stupid.
- [79:45]
Laura Rosenberg
Congratulations, yo.
- [79:47]
Ebro Darden
Shout out to Jamie Woods 11 on Instagram.
- [79:49]
Laura Rosenberg
Jamie's out there trying to move it around. He got the Portuguese subtitles. That's how you know he's like, brazil's gonna see this. I'm wearing the jersey you're about to. That is. Listen, Brazil has its. I love Brazil has its share of racial problems as well.
- [80:02]
Ebro Darden
Yep.
- [80:03]
Laura Rosenberg
They. They have the. They, of course, have Lula went back in power Bolsonaro is getting. They're trying to get Bolsonaro to jail. I mean, I think he was convicted.
- [80:12]
Ebro Darden
I thought he was.
- [80:12]
Laura Rosenberg
Yeah. Like they are act. The only difference between Brazil and the US is that they are actually really fighting hard against the bad. Yeah.
- [80:20]
Ebro Darden
Like about. Against the right wing conservative, like cutting down the rainforest to just make more farmland, to have more cows. Yeah.
- [80:27]
Laura Rosenberg
And the new. The new right wing lady who's I think come after Bolsonaro, she's just as bad. Like they're just fighting back as hard as they can. But I didn't know that they had that in place. That is.
- [80:37]
Ebro Darden
Yeah. I didn't know racism was illegal.
- [80:39]
Guest or Producer
No.
- [80:39]
Laura Rosenberg
I love that though. I love that. Yes. Because why. Why does that need to qualify as freedom of speech? Why does attacking people verbally for things that they can't do anything about your race, your religion, your gender. Why should a disability. That should be a crime. Why that should be a hate crime. That's what it is. It's a hate crime.
- [80:59]
Ebro Darden
It is good.
- [81:00]
Laura Rosenberg
Brazil.
- [81:01]
Ebro Darden
Go Brazil.
- [81:02]
Laura Rosenberg
I'm a Brazil.
- [81:04]
Ebro Darden
The best Rosenberg gets in his Portuguese badge.
- [81:07]
Laura Styles
Didn't want to pay her tab.
- [81:09]
Guest or News Reporter
Yo.
- [81:09]
Ebro Darden
And that's the ill part.
- [81:11]
Laura Rosenberg
Now people. People go right to it. They love it. They can't help it. It's right. I wish I loved something as much as racism. Love racism. I really wish I love something as much as a racist loves their racism. It is sitting on their mind. Every day something bad happens. They're like, oh, man, I gotta say the N word today. I really wish there's nothing I'm that passionate about. Like, honestly, not even sex, not even food. Like, I like things, but not enough where every minute, when the day goes wrong, you go, you know what? I gotta say that words.
- [81:41]
Ebro Darden
Is there a world that we're approaching right now after Tourette's Gate this week where you have people claiming they have Tourette's when they don't, just so they can just blur.
- [81:51]
Laura Rosenberg
That has to have already happened. Right?
- [81:53]
Ebro Darden
That's it just. It just. It hit me this week when we were having a conversation, I was like, somebody's about to start be on the verge of getting they ass whooped.
- [82:02]
Laura Rosenberg
Oh, no, I know.
- [82:03]
Ebro Darden
And they're gonna be like, I have Tourette's. I have Tourette's.
- [82:05]
Laura Rosenberg
No, I have a great clip I'm gonna post to echo this. You ever seen what About Bob?
- [82:11]
Ebro Darden
I don't remember it.
- [82:12]
Laura Rosenberg
Bill Murray in like the opening scene.
- [82:13]
Ebro Darden
Oh, I have seen what about Bob.
- [82:15]
Jumaane Williams
Yes.
- [82:15]
Laura Rosenberg
When he goes to see Richard Dreyfus for the first time. And he's crazy. And he's. He just starts saying. He's like, are you aware of what Tourette syndrome is? Cause he's a hypochondriac, so he thinks he has everything. So he says to Richard Dreyfuss, he's like, you aware of Tourette Syndrome? And he's like, you mean the involuntary? And as Dreyfus is saying, he's like, cocksucker, motherfucker. And he just starts screaming. And then he's like, what are you doing? What are you doing? Why are you doing that? And he's like, well, if I pretend to have it, then I can't have it. I'm gonna post that. That's about to be. What everyone's doing is just making.
- [82:49]
Ebro Darden
Guru.
- [82:50]
Laura Rosenberg
We're still doing a guru. Size is crazy, bro.
- [82:53]
Ebro Darden
How long we've been on now?
- [82:59]
Laura Rosenberg
The Circle of Love.
- [83:00]
Ebro Darden
What? What?
- [83:01]
Laura Rosenberg
What?
- [83:01]
Ebro Darden
Lou, what time? At 11. We'll get to it. Tell Ron we'll be on with him. Let's go. Let's get to the guru.
- [83:09]
Laura Rosenberg
Okay, I gotta go.
- [83:11]
Ebro Darden
Yes.
- [83:11]
Laura Rosenberg
Crazy.
- [83:13]
Laura Styles
All right.
- [83:14]
Ebro Darden
We got to stop missing the guru, guys. I know everybody got a longer episode today. Laura, everybody got a longer episode today, but we got to stop missing the guru, and I'll take blame for it.
- [83:26]
Laura Rosenberg
Yeah, it's your fault. I agree.
- [83:29]
Ebro Darden
The original gurus, as Laura just said. Gmail.com.
- [83:36]
Laura Rosenberg
please send your emails as Laura Stiles Burns some Brooklyn sage today as she's stuck in her home studio.
- [83:44]
Laura Styles
Thank you.
- [83:47]
Laura Rosenberg
Send your emails. We're running low. The original gurusmail.com gurus. Very long story with so many details, but I'll make it concise. My partner and I have rented an apartment for multiple years. We are not happy with it, but due to costs, having pets, the housing market, and both of our jobs being an hour commute in the opposite direction, we have limited options. Throughout the years, we've experienced leaks, extended periods without heat and hot water, carbon monoxide leaks, just to name a few incidents. I actually had to be evacuated in the middle of the night for deathly levels of carbon monoxide, which still caused me anxiety. Our ceiling leaked years ago and continues every winter in the same spot and landlord has yet to repair it. I'm talking buckets on the floor for weeks type of leak, in addition to multiple other leaks from his negligence that have destroyed our ceiling and floor. On top of everything, this man is downright rude and consistently tells us he does not owe us any courtesy. Despite being his longest tenants and have Never been late with rent. We've had multiple arguments where he usually promises repairs and never follows through or only fixes minor issues. I know Rosenberg recently went through some issues.
- [84:50]
Ebro Darden
I mean, my G. He's not like that.
- [84:55]
Laura Rosenberg
So. Hoping he has some insight. My questions are, what steps can you take to demand repairs? And two, is it even worth it? My partner and I are torn between contacting a lawyer or whatever entity deals with housing issues to hold them accountable for repairs and negligence. Or do we just burn it down, say effort, and find the first place we can, even if the cost and commute are burdensome. A part of me just wants to leave, but I also don't want the next person to have to deal with the same thing. I know he wants us to leave and would actually make appropriate repairs. Also, I want this man to be held accountable for the years of negligence. But is it worth the mental cost? Appreciate you all. I've listened to you for years. We'll continue to do so. Yo, my man, you're telling me you can get out? And what is keeping you there is A, your concern for future tenants or B, wanting to hold this man accountable? That wasn't. That was way too quiet. Congratulations.
- [85:48]
Ebro Darden
You played yourself.
- [85:49]
Laura Rosenberg
You said buckets of water on the floor. You said carbon monoxide poisoning sent you to the hospital. If you have the means to leave, like, meaning you could find a place. It might be 15 minutes further, or it might be slightly more expensive, but you can leave. What Ebro, Am I crazy? What are we talking about, Laura? They. They're allowed to leave. Leave.
- [86:14]
Ebro Darden
Well, I think also you know, in some regard here, you need to go see a city council person. Also you have a.
- [86:21]
Laura Rosenberg
While you're setting up.
- [86:22]
Ebro Darden
While you're setting up to leave, you need to take the documentation of being in the hospital. You need to take the pictures of the buckets and all the things.
- [86:29]
Laura Rosenberg
I'm sure you've taken some.
- [86:30]
Ebro Darden
I assume anything that you have a receipt for that you've had to deal with, you need to take that. And. And you also, if you live in a building, connect with other tenants. You have to have a political representation in the area that you live in. And you need to go talk to them about what's going on. You also maybe need to reach out to local media. What town is this? Did they say?
- [86:51]
Laura Rosenberg
He didn't say the town.
- [86:54]
Ebro Darden
But there's also a world where you can get a lawyer. We got some. Someone wrote into the gurus and they do this sort of work for people. Remember, we got that guru and they
- [87:04]
Laura Rosenberg
were saying, you can get a tenant lawyer.
- [87:05]
Ebro Darden
You get a tenant lawyer. And I think you will spend money,
- [87:08]
Laura Rosenberg
but the problem is you will spend money, and it's very hard to win. So I'm not saying don't do it, but I'm saying the things that he's describing are so bad that I would. The sooner you can vacate, the better.
- [87:23]
Ebro Darden
Yeah.
- [87:24]
Laura Rosenberg
And then I think you can still deal with it. You're. Because the thing that I was concerned with. And again, respectfully, yo, my apartment sounds fantastic relative to what's going on here. So my situation was I was worried I couldn't leave and that they would then sue me. And what they. If you're saying he wants you to leave, anything you want to do, I think you should do on your way out the door and as you're gone. But this is about safety for you and your health, your partner and your pets. Your pets. You don't even want your pets walking around. There's nasty leaked water coming down. You know they're going to drink it all up and. Nah, you got to get out of there, bro. That sounds horrible. Find a tenant lawyer. Know that you're going to have to spend money to do. So it's nice that you care about the next tenants and anything you could do to try to do something moving forward with, like, Ebro said, local politics or whatever, but you got to get up out of there.
- [88:13]
Ebro Darden
So says the Slum Lord Guru.
- [88:17]
Laura Rosenberg
I don't want that nickname.
- [88:19]
Ebro Darden
I mean, listen, you're having a unique experience.
- [88:21]
Laura Rosenberg
No, but it makes it sound like I'm a slumlord and a guru.
- [88:24]
Ebro Darden
Oh, right, right, right. So how. What would we call you then?
- [88:27]
Laura Rosenberg
The Slum Lord Expert Guru.
- [88:31]
Ebro Darden
Oh, man.
- [88:32]
Laura Rosenberg
It doesn't have the same ring to it. You just want to go with slum Lord. How about just a slum Lord?
- [88:36]
Ebro Darden
Laura Styles. Laura Styles is pissed, y'. All. She had a tough week due to the snow, and then she had to. She hates not being in studio.
- [88:42]
Laura Rosenberg
No. The riverside's going crazy today, so she was.
- [88:45]
Ebro Darden
What would you like to say, Laura Styles, about hating not being in studio?
- [88:47]
Laura Rosenberg
Yes.
- [88:50]
Ebro Darden
Hates it. Yo, how things have changed.
- [88:54]
Jumaane Williams
I'm upset.
- [88:54]
Ebro Darden
Hates not being in the studio because we have a night.
- [88:56]
Laura Styles
Studio difficulties. That's why I was off.
- [88:59]
Laura Rosenberg
Yeah, I know.
- [89:00]
Ebro Darden
Hates not being in studio because we have a nice studio.
- [89:02]
Laura Rosenberg
Well, but I also will say this.
- [89:03]
Ebro Darden
Love not being in the studio when we had a terrible studio.
- [89:06]
Laura Rosenberg
I will say this, though, but we did have the tech better down. Then we gotta get. We Got to figure out what's going on with this riverside situation. But guess what? We got plans we're working on.
- [89:14]
Ebro Darden
We got plans. We got.
- [89:15]
Laura Rosenberg
You did your best, Laura. You got to be a part of the programs. The last couple of days, the program, the snow's been crazy. Hopefully we're done with it.
- [89:22]
Ebro Darden
I think we are. I think the weekend is looking like lots of 40s, so things may melt.
- [89:27]
Laura Rosenberg
All right, great.
- [89:28]
Ebro Darden
Which is nice. And if we catch a rain next week, snow could be gone.
- [89:32]
Laura Rosenberg
Well, either way, it's a big. It's a big fat Friday tomorrow.
- [89:35]
Ebro Darden
Big fat Friday in the stew. Make sure you send your emails. Ebro. Laura Rosenberg at Gmail. Fat Friday matters tomorrow. Hopefully you guys enjoyed the Patreon this week. We'll have a merch update next week because the weather will hold. Hopefully open up for us to start moving this merch out the door. And we may have a. A new announcement of some merch that Rosenberg and his design team have put together. You know, we never got to. Today your trailer. We did so much today. We never even got. We did all this stuff. Never got to your podcast trailer. And I said at the top of the show we would.
- [90:07]
Laura Rosenberg
Oh, man, we'll do. We'll get to it.
- [90:10]
Ebro Darden
Hit us.
- [90:10]
Laura Rosenberg
We'll get to it.
- [90:11]
Ebro Darden
Congratulations. You played yourself. That's Rosenberg's not even ready for y' all to know about, let's be honest.
- [90:16]
Laura Rosenberg
Exactly. That's why I'm not ma.
- [90:17]
Jumaane Williams
So.
- [90:48]
Ebro Darden
Don't call it a podcast.
- [90:59]
Laura Styles
Close your eyes. Exhale. Feel your body relax, and let go
- [91:04]
Laura Rosenberg
of whatever you're carrying.
- [91:05]
Laura Styles
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- [91:27]
Ebro Darden
1-800-contacts.