5.) Kanye Back Outside + Young Break Ups (12/29/25)

Summary

The Ebro, Laura, Rosenberg Show

Episode 5: Kanye Back Outside + Young Break Ups (12/29/25)
Release Date: December 29, 2025
Hosts: Ebro Darden, Laura Rosenberg

Episode Overview

In this episode, Ebro and Laura—without Rosenberg, who’s traveling—dive into a range of cultural and political hot topics. They address the "Kanye Back Outside" moment, the complicated process of moving on from past radio drama, problematic trends in podcasting and algorithmic culture, and the emotional fallout from public breakups (focusing on streamer Kai Cenat). Along the way, there’s sharp commentary on recent international events and the power of social media narratives.

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Main Discussion Topics & Timestamps

1. Naming Segments & Meta Comedy on Podcasting

[01:30–03:03]

• The hosts riff on what to call new show segments ("Deal or Can't Deal", "Does It Matter?") and poke fun at the proliferation of podcasts and content experts.
• Debate about using sound drops for emphasis, showing the show's humorous and meta self-awareness about their format.

Notable Quote:

"Just don't call it a podcast." — Ebro Darden [01:30]

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2. Nicki Minaj’s Social Media Exit & "It Doesn’t Matter"

[03:03–04:46]

• Discussion of Nicki Minaj reportedly leaving Instagram and whether anyone actually cares, lampooning “news” that has no impact.
• Ebro pivots from pop culture gossip to U.S. foreign policy: discusses claims about Trump ordering a military strike in Nigeria under the guise of fighting ISIS, but suspects motives lie in rare earth mineral interests.

Notable Quote:

"I cannot take the whole... Tusa marketing, Erica Kirk talk. I can't take any of it at face value." — Ebro Darden [03:45]

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3. Distrust in International News & Historic Context

[04:46–06:57]

• Ebro and Laura analyze how world events, particularly related to Africa's Sahel region, are often misrepresented for political gain.
• Humorous aside about the country name “Niger” as a reminder of the hosts’ stylistic banter.

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4. Radio Drama, Media Expertise, and Internet Cycles

[07:03–11:45]

• They reflect on being misrepresented or unfairly blamed for "killing" New York hip hop, and dissect criticisms aimed at their original radio show.
• Behind the scenes on music programming and misconceptions about who breaks new music.

Notable Quote:

"First of all, people don't know that... People who host don't decide what music they play. The only person throughout the day who gets spaces to break music were me and Flex." — Ebro Darden [10:36]

[Button Sound]: "Congratulations. You played yourself." [09:36, 17:38, etc.]

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5. Why the Past Keeps Coming Up—Saigon Incident and Letting Go

[15:32–19:14]

• Revisit the infamous Mobb Deep/Saigon dustup at the station; Laura explains how she got unintentionally entangled.
• Both hosts agree that rehashing the end of their old station is unproductive and it’s time to look to the future.

Notable Quote:

"But still litigating the... end of the station, you're saying it's time to move on." — Laura Rosenberg [19:11]

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6. Audience Engagement & Plans For The Show

[20:02–21:37]

• Appeal for listener feedback on preferred streaming times and commutes, with playful debate about when content should post.
• Ebro hints at plans for different content drops to suit various schedules.

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7. Kanye West Returns—Is It Time to Move On?

[21:45–27:44]

• Kanye re-emerges at Deon Cole's comedy show; Ebro confirms a new album is coming.
• Laura debates what it would take for fans to truly embrace Kanye again post-Nazi controversy.
• Full breakdown on the "Heil Hitler" song scandal, discussing whether anything has changed or been addressed.

Notable Quotes:

"All I need him to do is not say hateful, nasty things currently, and I'll probably be all right. Now, would I wear a shirt or go buy the new sneakers? That... that's going to take some amends." — Laura Rosenberg [22:34]
"He was like, it ain't up to you. I was like, well, currently it is, because you're asking me for the right number. Not doing it." — Ebro Darden [23:52]
"Let me... I'm gonna go out on a limb here. Heil Hitler as a song is too far. You—whoa, Ebro, hot take!" — Ebro Darden/Laura Rosenberg [26:03–26:07]

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8. Culture of “Algorithm Hustling” & Forgiveness

[27:44–29:12]

• The fleetingness of public memory; how not hearing from Kanye for a while softens public attitudes.
• Ebro and Laura discuss society’s shifting boundaries for acceptable behavior from celebrities.

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9. Breaking News: Anthony Joshua Car Crash

[29:12–33:06]

• Laura receives news mid-show about boxer Anthony Joshua’s car crash in Nigeria, reading breaking updates live and expressing concern and empathy.

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10. Kanye’s Bucket List—Softening His Image?

[33:21–36:34]

• Kanye’s quirky bucket list (including "own a pug" and "learn to pole dance") emerges online—Laura delights in the weirdness, Ebro questions whether it’s a calculated PR move to humanize him.

Notable Quotable:

"It reminds you of the lovable weird parts of Kanye... and helps you forget about the really detrimental, harmful, weird parts of Kanye." — Laura Rosenberg [34:54]

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11. Media, Mental Health & Reading Habits

[36:38–38:39]

• Ebro ponders whether Kanye’s behavior is trolling or mental health-related, citing the rapper’s ability to go silent when necessary.
• Laura jokes about her lack of reading habits compared to her book-devouring father.

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12. Israel/Palestine: Generational Shifts & October 7th

[38:39–45:07]

• Deep discussion on changing perspectives about Israel and how propaganda and events like October 7th have shifted their (and their families’) views.
• Shock at failures in Israeli security given the state’s reputation.

Notable Quote:

"October 7th—there is so much security and surveillance that should have never happened." — Ebro Darden [41:29]

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13. American Politics, Tucker Carlson, Candace Owens, and Rewriting Narratives

[45:07–48:44]

• Laura and Ebro are exasperated by how American right-wing media attempts to recast their image, speculate about Tucker Carlson's "grift," and critique Candace Owens' false Jewish involvement in slavery claim.
• Ebro reminds that all groups have good and bad people, but only specific narratives become algorithmically popular.

Notable Quotes:

"Every religion and group of people has terrible human beings in it." — Ebro Darden [48:31]
"But that doesn't hit the algorithm, right? That doesn't start spreading around and get the shares." — Laura Rosenberg [49:12]

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14. Social Media Strategy Critique—The TUSA/Erica Kirk Phenomenon

[49:22–51:41]

• Satirical critique of current right-wing social media campaigns, especially the TUSA campaign and Erica Kirk; marvel at the scale and success of the marketing operation.

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15. Tyler Perry Lawsuit & ZEUS Reality TV

[51:54–55:39]

• Laura details the sexual harassment lawsuit against Tyler Perry, questioning the damages but observing "big-time creepo" behavior in alleged texts.
• Segues into Justin and Christian Combs creating their own documentary, poking fun at reality TV culture and platforms like Zeus.

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16. Pop Culture: Northwest’s Grill & Kai Cenat Breakup

[55:41–65:44]

• Laura laments public overreaction to Northwest (Kanye’s daughter) having diamond grills—reminding us she’s "not a regular child."
• The episode closes with an extended, heartfelt, and sometimes hilarious discussion about public young breakups, using streamer Kai Cenat's recent heartbreak as a case study.
• Laura shares some painfully self-deprecating personal anecdotes about his own youthful breakups, aiming to reassure young fans that the pain is temporary and growth is inevitable (or at least survivable).

Notable Quote:

"Kai, don’t dig a grave for yourself... You're going to be down for a while. This is... like a standing eight count situation. You got to just stand and take the pain for a little bit and breed this one out. Take time." — Laura Rosenberg [59:57]

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Selected Memorable Moments

• The Signature Sound Effect:
  "Congratulations, you played yourself." — Button drop, used repeatedly for comic effect throughout [09:36, 17:38, 33:05, etc.]

• On Kanye’s Comeback:
  "All I need him to do is not say hateful, nasty things currently, and I’ll probably be all right." — Laura Rosenberg [22:34]

• On Misplaced Blame in Hip-Hop:
  "Supporting New York hip hop is not one of my bad qualities?" — Ebro Darden [13:35]

• On Candace Owens’ Slavery Comment:
  "Even though there’s no proof from a credible place that Jews ran the slave trade, she’s pumping out classic propaganda." — Laura Rosenberg [47:01]

• On Relationship Pain:
  "I made a mixtape where I'm standing inside a grave." — Laura Rosenberg [59:01]

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Recurring Themes

• Meta-humor about the show itself and the cycles of media “algorithm hustling.”
• Skepticism regarding celebrity narratives, mainstream news, and political spin.
• Vulnerability & Growth, especially in Laura’s stories about heartbreak and Ebro’s calls to move forward as hosts and people.
• Cultural Commentary on hip-hop, cancel culture, media platforms, and international politics.

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Listener Takeaways

This episode balances sharp social and cultural criticism with trademark humor and self-reflection. It’s a must-listen for fans of hip-hop culture, media industry insiders, or anyone navigating modern internet narratives—offering both laughs and real talk on forgiveness, growth, and the chaos of 2020s pop culture.

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Transcript

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[Ebro Darden]

Just don't call it a podcast. Ebro Laura Rosenberg back again. I want to shout out to everybody out there showing so much love who have subscribed and shared and told friends, you know, we're still in the getting situated phase of the Ebro Laura Rosenberg show. So much so that we don't even have Laura. She's not situated.

[Laura Rosenberg]

No, she's not situated. She's traveling the world as she does.

[Ebro Darden]

But we got some. We got some things we have to run through to see if we're going to deal with them or not.

[Laura Rosenberg]

Deal or can't deal?

[Ebro Darden]

You like that as a title?

[Laura Rosenberg]

I don't hate it. I don't hate it.

[Ebro Darden]

Dealer can't deal. I don't hate.

[Laura Rosenberg]

Dealer can't deal. But I need some.

[Ebro Darden]

I wanted to go with does it matter?

[Laura Rosenberg]

I know.

[Ebro Darden]

And then play the rock song it doesn't matter.

[Laura Rosenberg]

And then Ebro is like, yo, we could play the rock song. It doesn't matter. And I was like, nah, let's not. Let's not play the song. It doesn't matter is not what you want to Do.

[Ebro Darden]

Okay. What about the drop though?

[Laura Rosenberg]

That, no, that I think works.

[Ebro Darden]

It doesn't matter. Like for instance, Nicki Minaj is saying is no longer on IG even though she's been off ig apparently, according to some reports, long before the Erica Kirk T. PUSA interview.

[Laura Rosenberg]

Right.

[Ebro Darden]

Does anybody care that Nicki Minaj is off social media or at least Instagram.

[Laura Rosenberg]

Right. And then we would hit the it doesn't matter drop there.

[Ebro Darden]

If it doesn't matter.

[Laura Rosenberg]

What about, what about the drop I have of the sweet old man who used to call the K show who has since passed away? Morris. What about this drop I have of him showing complete not caring?

[Ebro Darden]

I see.

[Laura Rosenberg]

Huh?

[Ebro Darden]

Nothing. We might get a cease and desist.

[Laura Rosenberg]

For that, by the way. You never know. You never know. You're hurting me. I. I saw the thing about Nikki, I saw the thing about Nikki being off, but I saw she was still tweeting, she was reposting Mad T. Pusa stuff and you know, getting all the love, taking all. Taking all the love in that she was getting, you know, because in, in her world, when you only hear what you want to hear, it was a huge success.

[Ebro Darden]

Well, look, I. Listen, I cannot take this at face value. I cannot take the whole. Any of it. Any of the Tusa marketing, Erica Kirk talk. I can't take any of it at face value. The whole Christian nationalist, Christian right marketing, getting young people funneled into this organization, finding, creating some sort of tribe and movement of Christian that white Christian nationalists and all of this and giving them a place to connect with one another while we head into the midterms. I can't take it at face value. And simultaneously speaking of doesn't matter, while we're talking about Christians and Nicki Minaj on Christmas, the United States, well, Trump bombed a state in Nigeria claiming it was to go and, and, and attack isis. Now the people who live in the area and other Nigerians says there's no ISIS in that area. What is in that area? Rare earth minerals.

[Laura Rosenberg]

Huh.

[Ebro Darden]

And it's also coinky dink, adjacent to the Sahel states. The Sahel states being Burkina Faso, I believe, Senegal and Niger, who recently just kicked out France. So there's some Western interests aligned here. Can't take it. I'm sorry, I can't take it at face value.

[Laura Rosenberg]

There's nothing you could. Should be able to take at face value at this point. I mean, listen, even under the best of circumstances, taking an international sort of strike like that at face value would probably be stupid.

[Ebro Darden]

Does anybody believe that this has anything to do with Christianity?

[Laura Rosenberg]

Yes, There are people who believe that. Not here.

[Ebro Darden]

Do you know any of them?

[Laura Rosenberg]

No, I, I don't. I, I don't. I don't know anyone who believes that. I, I mean, just like I don't believe anything about what's going on in Venezuela either. On one. On one hand, your man is obsessed with finding all drug dealers and killing them. On the other hand, he's obsessed with commuting the sentences of former drug dealers and letting them free.

[Ebro Darden]

Excuse me. Sahel State are Mali, Burkina Faso and Niger. Excuse me.

[Laura Rosenberg]

No, a very small percentage of people listening understand.

[Ebro Darden]

I don't know. Don't disrespect. Our stuff moves around.

[Laura Rosenberg]

The. What's. These are the what states. These are specific.

[Ebro Darden]

It's a region in Africa.

[Laura Rosenberg]

In Africa.

[Ebro Darden]

Western. It's a, It's a. It's a western region of Africa that doesn't have access to the Atlantic Ocean. But it's. You know, they have rare earth minerals.

[Laura Rosenberg]

You know, you know, the, you know, the. What's your take Show. The, the. The guy on, on the subway who interviews people with the subway card.

[Ebro Darden]

That's right.

[Laura Rosenberg]

He had someone on. I remember who it was a couple weeks ago. And he was like, what's your take? And they were like, it's 2025. They have to change the name of Niger. We. We cannot have.

[Ebro Darden]

We can't do this.

[Laura Rosenberg]

We can't have. We can't have a country that's 1G away from a hard R N word. I forget who it was, but it was hilarious. So that's all I was thinking about when you said nier. But, yeah, I don't think anyone should take this at face value.

[Ebro Darden]

That's, that's why I work with you, because you're always looking for a punchline. Well, there's. We can't. That's why we can't have anything.

[Laura Rosenberg]

What am I gonna do? Take everything. Everything seriously every day. It's too much.

[Ebro Darden]

And, and, and notoriously, the amount of, of. Of sarcasm and dry humor and ridiculous jokes that we've done as a show and that you've done as a host, people honestly have taken a lot of it seriously throughout the. Your history. You know that, right?

[Laura Rosenberg]

You think so?

[Ebro Darden]

Yo, the entire VH1 show that we, we did, the reality show, people were upset. I want to. I always remind myself of this. People were upset that it wasn't a reality show. It was like a spoof. Dry comedy based in reality, even though they knew reality shows were fake.

[Laura Rosenberg]

But why would they be mad about that because they wanted the real.

[Ebro Darden]

They wanted a real fake show.

[Laura Rosenberg]

They wanted a real fake show. Not like y'.

[Ebro Darden]

All. Now they trying to be funny. Fake show.

[Laura Rosenberg]

Yeah. Why are y' all playing my face? Like, people should be fighting. It should be the whole.

[Ebro Darden]

Yes. It should be drama. Relationships that, you know. So they wanted soap opera. Well, listen, comedy.

[Laura Rosenberg]

If you look around at the conversations that I. That we see. And we're getting away from the topics of the day here for a second, but this was on my radar.

[Ebro Darden]

But the question is, does it matter?

[Laura Rosenberg]

That's right.

[Ebro Darden]

It matters.

[Laura Rosenberg]

I keep getting these videos from podcasts that I'm. I'm unfamiliar with. Yo, people are experts on radio.

[Ebro Darden]

They.

[Laura Rosenberg]

I mean, they know what radio is all about.

[Ebro Darden]

Well, I had to ask myself whether or not it mattered that you were jumping on IG talking about this.

[Laura Rosenberg]

Oh, fair. I just got sick. It's just so many of them. The algorithm knows I want to see it, so it shows me a lot of them. And I just keep seeing. Yo, man, they were really bad for music, man. They. Ebro ruined New York music. New York. He killed New York hip hop, man. That show didn't break any music. That morning show didn't break any music. I. I can't take it anymore. I. How. I have never. I don't think I've ever felt the need to weigh in with, like. No, I probably have. We've probably talked about topics on the air that we were not that knowledgeable about.

[Ebro Darden]

Listen, listen.

[Laura Rosenberg]

And we were shooting our shot in a few minutes.

[Ebro Darden]

We're bringing back the button for you to fix your lips.

[Laura Rosenberg]

Yeah.

[Ebro Darden]

Even act like we didn't talk about things. We weren't knowledgeable. That's.

[Laura Rosenberg]

You know what? You're right. And so I guess give yourself the button.

[Ebro Darden]

We can do it early. We could warm the button up.

[Sound Effect (Button)]

Congratulations. You played yourself.

[Laura Rosenberg]

I guess you're right. Because. Because how many times did we do that? We just didn't have an expert to hit us up and go, what are y' all talking about?

[Ebro Darden]

No, I did. We did. We probably either they DM'd us, and we didn't respond or text me. It was like, yo, shut the F up. Yeah.

[Laura Rosenberg]

What are you even talking about? Right? So I guess it's a popular topic. You know, even. Even our friends, though. But Jim and Mayo.

[Ebro Darden]

Why did Jim. Jim and May. Well, first of all, the clip I saw. Mayno did not come for us.

[Laura Rosenberg]

No. He just tried to get Jim to come for us.

[Ebro Darden]

He just egged Jim on and Was like, yo, I'm into this. Keep going.

[Laura Rosenberg]

Yeah, he really did. He's like, this is good content. What were you saying?

[Ebro Darden]

Well, well. And then Jim. Jim was even, like, just trying to say something that was, like, gonna get the algorithm going. He was algorithm hustler. Because even him, he was like, yo, maybe this does open the door, you know, for more New York music to get supported.

[Laura Rosenberg]

Really? How would that work, buddy? Who are they gonna bring? Who are they gonna bring in that's gonna start deciding the music and start breaking records in the morning?

[Ebro Darden]

Well, f. First of all, people don't know that. People who host don't decide what music they play. The only person throughout the day who gets spaces to break music were me and Flex. So let's set that aside, everybody. And maybe a Camilo and a new it, too. Or enough. Whoever was hosting new it to whatever. A DJ on a weekday? Yes, on a weekday. Very small, very few spaces to break actual.

[Laura Rosenberg]

And by the way, we actually did it. We actually. We actually used that time pretty well and played a lot of fun stuff if you could catch it.

[Ebro Darden]

But if you don't listen to morning radio, you wouldn't catch it. So there's that part. Wait. Well, and I also hit us with the button.

[Sound Effect (Button)]

Why are we still talking about, Congratulations, you played yourself.

[Laura Rosenberg]

I know it's gonna come up. Why?

[Ebro Darden]

Why? Why? Yeah, that was another thing like, why are we still. It's. We dragging it now.

[Laura Rosenberg]

It's over.

[Ebro Darden]

Lie. It's over.

[Laura Rosenberg]

And by the way, it's been over.

[Ebro Darden]

Two weeks to the show. If you listen to the show, we've been talking about it being over for a year. As soon as Trump got elected, I came on the radio and was like, guys, this might be it. Because they coming after people. People are out of here this time.

[Laura Rosenberg]

I mean, and before that, don't, don't forget when I got the call this summer of the. Hey, man, you guys, you guys ever think about being a little nicer to Trump?

[Ebro Darden]

That won't happen. Yeah, I forgot, bro. I forgot.

[Laura Rosenberg]

No, I told you. We talked about it in detail. And they were like, remember, Remember?

[Ebro Darden]

They said to me, that doesn't mean I remember. I said, I forgot.

[Laura Rosenberg]

They said. They said, don't you. Would you guys be. Maybe be interested in having Trump on the show? Because a lot of our listeners like Trump too, at the. At that time, I said, I said. I said, hey, we would absolutely have Trump on the show, but we're going to have the interview. We're going to have, and I doubt the goal that you're hoping to reach here would happen with that interview. I'll just let you know, I was.

[Ebro Darden]

Asked about interviewing Trump, too, and I said, absolutely, as long as you're okay with me getting into an argument and having a incident with the President of the United States.

[Laura Rosenberg]

Right.

[Ebro Darden]

And me calling him a white supremacist to his face.

[Laura Rosenberg]

And.

[Ebro Darden]

Well, let's be honest, Mom, Donnie fared well. He called him a fascist to his face, pretty much.

[Laura Rosenberg]

They became friends.

[Ebro Darden]

So maybe it wouldn't have been so bad.

[Laura Rosenberg]

All right, now you're right. It's time for me to stop worrying about these clips of people talking about the show.

[Ebro Darden]

Well, no, no, no. So what you have to understand, or at least this is the way I process it, is people talking about us means, A, we're relevant, B, they're doing their job to hustle the algorithm, right? So even as young talent or small podcasters, they're doing the right thing, which is talking about what everyone else is talking about. So hopefully the algorithm picks up their show and gets your attention or gets other people's attention. That's the game.

[Laura Rosenberg]

I just wish people were better at coming after Ebro. Like, I can tell you guys all the bad qualities about Ebro. I have them all. Like, what do you want? Let's go. I'll do a whole interview. I could do a series of interviews.

[Ebro Darden]

So, wait, wait, wait. Time out. So you're saying supporting New York hip hop is not one of my bad qualities?

[Laura Rosenberg]

No. And. And. And being the. The death of New York hip hop, slash, not supporting it. Not.

[Ebro Darden]

Nobody's gonna listen to you. A, you're white. B, you're Jewish.

[Laura Rosenberg]

I'm on the show. I'm a shield.

[Ebro Darden]

See, you're biased. You're. You're. You're. You're. You're. You're. You're a schmuck. Cuck.

[Laura Rosenberg]

A schmuck and a cuck.

[Ebro Darden]

Yeah.

[Laura Rosenberg]

I never heard anything like this before. I gotta stop caring, though. It. It's. It's true.

[Ebro Darden]

I appreciate you caring about me, man.

[Laura Rosenberg]

No, it's. It is. It's partially that. And it's also just, like, the. The lack of facts. I'm like, you don't understand, like, Ebro. It just frustrates me that you've never listened like this.

[Ebro Darden]

Well, there's this part of it, too, that I don't even think people realize. I haven't been in charge of anything administratively. Programming, music, research, marketing. Nothing at that radio station in a decade, since 2014.

[Laura Rosenberg]

It's 11 years to you and me. It's a long time ago. And by the way, follow the timeline of how things have gone since then, because they blur it all together now. Ever since Ebro showed up, ever since he showed up. And then they keep bringing back oh as Saigon.

[Ebro Darden]

I haven't even seen.

[Laura Rosenberg]

I got hit with that because I got into the muck in someone's comments about how this is nonsense.

[Ebro Darden]

And then what year was. What year was the whole Saigon thing?

[Laura Rosenberg]

My first year up here, it was.

[Ebro Darden]

Like, I don't know what year that was.

[Laura Rosenberg]

07. 07. 08. It was 07 or 08.

[Ebro Darden]

Well. And most of these people are obviously our age, which is why they blur everything together, which is also why I'm not sure it matters, because when you get our age, things get blurry. Like you don't remember.

[Laura Rosenberg]

It all becomes the same.

[Ebro Darden]

It's the same, bro. Like, you don't remember when.

[Laura Rosenberg]

By the way, and by the way, just last note on that the Saigon thing, the one. And I still like Saigon. Like we've had. We had it out, we fought, we make up. But he brings it back and I get it. I understand.

[Ebro Darden]

Wait, you've talked to him about this incident again?

[Laura Rosenberg]

Not this time. But like in comments I commented on his post. It was the same post where Pete Rock was just going after you, just throwing dirt on your grave. Never seen anything like it in my life. But, but, but the one thing that Saigon adds, that's just a little note that's just like a fudging of the story that irks me is he's like, yeah, and a little dust up happened and it was nothing. It just happened. The reason what he did was messed up was he took advantage of my naivete and was like, yo, let me come through and perform. Not realizing, I mean, knowing full well that I didn't understand at the time the mob deep Saigon dynamics. And so he, he played. He used my show as a spot.

[Ebro Darden]

For them to clash to get promo for himself.

[Laura Rosenberg]

And I didn't realize that their, that their shit was so on site to where he's on stage performing and. And the people in their crew are like, we're gonna go knock this dude out.

[Ebro Darden]

I didn't.

[Laura Rosenberg]

Why would I have ever wanted that to happen? I didn't know that was a thing, which is my fault. That's stupid also. But he's always just like, yeah, something just happened. So stop, bro. He walked up that night knowing exa. He is a street smart dude. He knew exactly what was going to happen.

[Ebro Darden]

Well, and is that. What do you believe that that's what he wanted to happen.

[Laura Rosenberg]

He, He. He wanted something to happen. He, He. He knew perfectly well that coming out on a show that I was promoting Mobb Deep. Mobb Deep was the advertised act.

[Ebro Darden]

So him showing up the streets would have been like, yo, Saigon popped on stage a day. Ish.

[Laura Rosenberg]

Correct.

[Ebro Darden]

Oh, excuse my language. No cursing.

[Laura Rosenberg]

That's right.

[Ebro Darden]

At dead joint. And he knew he's gonna get credibility off that.

[Laura Rosenberg]

He knew something was going to come from it.

[Ebro Darden]

So now I want to hit Rosenberg with the button again.

[Sound Effect (Button)]

Congratulations. You played yourself.

[Ebro Darden]

Because once again, you've dragged us into the muck and mire of the Internets so that this gets relitigated and shared yet again. Like, we can't move forward.

[Laura Rosenberg]

No, we got.

[Ebro Darden]

And. And I. And. And I'm g. Tell you, as I think about the Ebro Laura Rosenberg show, I really want to move forward. I don't. It's going to be hard. It's going to be hard.

[Laura Rosenberg]

Is it January 1st a good date? Like, but isn't. Like, aren't we closing out the year? It's still December 29th.

[Ebro Darden]

No, no, I understand. I understand. We're getting there mentally, because I think about how often we talked about the squalor of the radio studios on air.

[Laura Rosenberg]

Right.

[Ebro Darden]

How often we talked about the broken equipment and broken elevators and bad bathrooms up there. How often we talked about the lack of investment and all of these things up there. And even talked about you not renewing your deal and not the year, like, on the air. We were public about this stuff. And so now that it's official, why are we still talking about it?

[Laura Rosenberg]

You're right. We did enough beforehand. You know, you're right. It's just. It's a big part. It's a big life change now.

[Ebro Darden]

Now the. The Saigon thing is like a. Is a moment in just hip hop kind of lexicon. I guess you will. New York hip hop lexicon to be talked about. So I guess that's a fair. A fair thing to come up.

[Laura Rosenberg]

But still litigating the. The end of the station, you're saying it's time to move on.

[Ebro Darden]

Yeah, it's like, it's. It's a. It was a time in history, man. Like, and I think that. I think it's healthy that these things happen. Well.

[Laura Rosenberg]

And what I really need to remember is the people who love us, who are supporting what we're doing now, of which there's a lot, fortunately, they're not the people who I'm seeing in the algorithm talking. Ish.

[Ebro Darden]

Oh, man.

[Laura Rosenberg]

So like, it's the same as always. I just need to let it like, it's never. It's always going to be what it is. We were not for those people. The people walking around being like, they rule with New York that y' all don't listen to Morning show. The show's not.

[Ebro Darden]

Well, not only that, but we even did. We designed a show that was for families. We designed a show that was some hip hop and the going zones.

[Laura Rosenberg]

You know, hip hop was the backdrop. It's the baseline. Yeah.

[Ebro Darden]

But we spent a lot of time having fun about with current events, games, things we're going to bring back to this platform and hopefully. Listen, I would love to hear from you guys in the comments. Are you able to check this out during your commute to work or from work, however you're. When. When is the opportune time for you to get to our content? These days, when you get in your car, are you able to hit the Bluetooth, throw on the YouTube and check us out and listen to us while you drive?

[Laura Rosenberg]

That's.

[Ebro Darden]

Or that's not check out podcast.

[Laura Rosenberg]

That won't really be clear until it feels like the top of the year. And like, and when we're. And when we're live every day, because we're not live right now. Yeah. So is 8 o' clock live every day? If there is content available every day, 8 o'. Clock. Does that work for people? There are going to be some people shot. Some people are going to want it earlier, though. Some people, like I get in the car at 6.

[Ebro Darden]

Well, we'll have something for you. I got a plan for that.

[Laura Rosenberg]

You got a plan for that?

[Ebro Darden]

I got a plan for that.

[Laura Rosenberg]

So, you know, but by the way, maybe it's about people adjusting their schedules, you know, and they listen to the day, the next days, the next morning at 6 o'. Clock. You know, like Griff.

[Ebro Darden]

Griff is saying a lot of. A lot of emails. 7am when you say a lot. Griff, you're saying four, probably six emails, not about 20.

[Laura Rosenberg]

Okay, let's say 7aM they want 7am.

[Ebro Darden]

7Am will have something for you.

[Laura Rosenberg]

You have a plan for that?

[Ebro Darden]

I have a plan for that.

[Laura Rosenberg]

Wow. He sounds.

[Ebro Darden]

I got a lot of plans.

[Laura Rosenberg]

He's like Joe, Joe Biden over here. He's got a plan.

[Ebro Darden]

Listen, I stay awake.

[Laura Rosenberg]

Hey, don't do. Hey, don't do that. We. We thought Joe was a sleepy president until the next one got in office.

[Ebro Darden]

Ladies and gentlemen, Kanye west decided he Wanted to come outside.

[Laura Rosenberg]

I saw this.

[Ebro Darden]

He was at Deon Cole's comedy show. He stepped on stage looking awkward yet.

[Laura Rosenberg]

Yet smiling as it said he has an album coming.

[Ebro Darden]

I have heard this to be factual behind the scenes. This is a fact based on individuals I know close to it. Rosenberg, has Kanye been gone long enough for you to have a. Have a soft spot for Kanye West? Could you warm up to the idea that you could put let bygones be bygones and move forward and just.

[Laura Rosenberg]

It's such a low.

[Ebro Darden]

Be okay with Kanye.

[Laura Rosenberg]

It's such a low bar for Kanye because we love him so much musically. All I need him to do is not say hateful, nasty things currently, and I'll probably be all right now. Would I wear a shirt or go buy the new sneakers? That. That's going to take some amends. Not just him, not just the AI version of Kanye sitting with some weird rabbi. We're going to need something more than.

[Ebro Darden]

That for what about now? Will you go to a Kanye west concert?

[Laura Rosenberg]

We're not there yet. Let's move slow. Let's move slow.

[Ebro Darden]

Now, what is. What's deterring you from going to a Kanye west concert?

[Laura Rosenberg]

Until I get real out loud repudiation of what he's done, like, we can't forget. I was about to forget. He dropped a whole single called Heil Hitler. No, it was a single.

[Ebro Darden]

Now, let me ask you this. This is very important.

[Laura Rosenberg]

It was a song, folks.

[Ebro Darden]

Based on what? Based on what? We saw the whole timeline of the Kanye west thing. The last time I spoke to Kanye west was when he was trying to get Colin Kaepernick to go with him to that notorious White House meeting. And I was like, it's absolutely. I am not. I'm not even this.

[Laura Rosenberg]

I'm not even passing connect.

[Ebro Darden]

I'm. No, I was pissed. He was like, it ain't up to you. I was like, well, currently it is, because you're asking me for right number. Not doing it. It's not happening. Now everybody got to see how that meeting played out. Oh, which was, would you say, the beginning of the slide? That, like.

[Laura Rosenberg]

No, it wasn't the beginning. No, it wasn't the beginning. It was the. It was the, like, intensifying of the slide.

[Ebro Darden]

Okay. The intensifying of the slide.

[Laura Rosenberg]

Yes. Yes.

[Ebro Darden]

Are we still convinced that Kanye has ill will towards individuals, or are we at the place where we think Kanye's issues were a myriad of mental health, slash, losing perspective on, like, what's a marketing moment and what's not A marketing moment. Like, what was trolling? What was mental health? That's, I think, the part where people struggle.

[Laura Rosenberg]

Yeah, I still struggle there. I don't know that I'm willing to. I'm not willing to put any of it quite in the rearview mirror yet, because he hasn't said anything. Like, all he did was literally stand at a comedy show, but he managed to not say anything incredibly, like, derisive or nasty. And we're like, hey, maybe he's back. I mean, he's got to open his mouth first. Like, is he going to come out and say so?

[Ebro Darden]

So the people that I spoke to that are close to the album, I encouraged him to never open his mouth ever again. That's the best thing he could do is to never do an interview, because.

[Laura Rosenberg]

If he starts talking, he will invariably put his foot in his mouth.

[Ebro Darden]

I don't know. I don't know. But I think he's more endearing when you don't hear him talking.

[Laura Rosenberg]

You're not.

[Ebro Darden]

It's all just music.

[Laura Rosenberg]

And hopefully in the music, he doesn't say anything.

[Ebro Darden]

Yeah. And then.

[Laura Rosenberg]

Yeah.

[Ebro Darden]

And then hopefully the music is. Is good. And, you know, look, Kanye was always racy in the music, but How Hitler's. Let me. I'm gonna go out on a limb here. How Hitler as a song is too far. You. Whoa, Ebro, I take.

[Laura Rosenberg]

No, wait. You think that was a bad idea to come out with a song called Heil Hitler?

[Ebro Darden]

Yo, I think so.

[Laura Rosenberg]

Whoa, my man.

[Ebro Darden]

After a lot of deliberation. After a lot of deliberation, I think it was a bad idea.

[Laura Rosenberg]

I'm gonna go ahead now.

[Ebro Darden]

I'm a ping. I'm gonna throw it back to you as someone who listened to the song, because I never heard the song. Rosenberg. We go to Rosenberg.

[Laura Rosenberg]

Oh, yeah.

[Ebro Darden]

How did you actually feel about the How Hitler song now?

[Laura Rosenberg]

It was kind of John Blaze. It was kind of John Blaze minus the whole Heil Hitler part of it. That joy was kind of fire.

[Ebro Darden]

If you can separate.

[Laura Rosenberg]

Oh, yeah. If you could separate the fact that it was about, you know, celebrating a man who slaughtered 20 million people. If you can remove that part. By the way, doing at a time when people are really scared of this sort of mentality in this country. If you could separate that part. Nah, the beats were fire, so. But it is. But, you know. You know, Bascom just said in our group chat, he said. He said, I was shocked by the round of applause ye still received. That is, to Ebro's point, the reason he got that reception in la at a comedy club, which is a crowd that would likely be a crowd that would boo him, I think does speak to the fact that Gabro's saying he hasn't talked and people are so apt to like him that when you just don't hear him for a while and you're like, oh, Kanye West. I love Kanye.

[Ebro Darden]

Well, and wasn't there public discussion about him privately working and trying to figure out, you know, his mental health issues? Like he's been working on himself. Like that's a thing. And I think. And in our. Listen, there's a lot going on in our. In our society.

[Laura Rosenberg]

Go ahead.

[Ebro Darden]

A lot going on. I don't know if, you know, we have a president who says crazy stuff. Offensive. Offensive stuff.

[Laura Rosenberg]

Yeah.

[Ebro Darden]

Matter of fact, does offensive stuff and has sexual assault allegations.

[Laura Rosenberg]

And.

[Ebro Darden]

And the current president is. I mean, not just in the Epstein Files. I mean, he is.

[Laura Rosenberg]

He's like the host of the Epstein Files, pretty much like other people are guests, but he's like, hey, welcome back to the show. I'm here now. Welcome back to the Epstein files. We're gonna see some Bill Clinton later, right? We're gonna see a lot of people.

[Ebro Darden]

If Epstein is Johnny Carson, he's Ed McMahon.

[Laura Rosenberg]

Yeah, he's there. He's hanging out with him.

[Ebro Darden]

He's on the couch.

[Laura Rosenberg]

He's on. Every episode feels like that. He's always feels like that.

[Ebro Darden]

So I think our. I guess our barometer for. For shenanigans, nonsense and offensiveness has. Has. Has been challenged. And I think we're open to wanting to forgive people whose transgressions don't meet the current, you know, state of affairs.

[Laura Rosenberg]

I'm sorry, I was just sent a horrible headline by Louie. Okay, Anthony Joshua, this just in.

[Ebro Darden]

Do we have this just in music?

[Laura Rosenberg]

Well, it's not good. I don't want to even play the music, but Anthony Joshua was injured in a car crash.

[Ebro Darden]

Damn it.

[Laura Rosenberg]

In Nigeria.

[Ebro Darden]

Damn it.

[Laura Rosenberg]

That killed two people.

[Ebro Darden]

Damn.

[Laura Rosenberg]

Said a horrifying car crash in Nigeria that killed two Monday morning, less than two weeks after his fight with Jake Paul.

[Ebro Darden]

Damn it. Well, Anthony Joshua is Nigerian.

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[Laura Rosenberg]

Hey, Sal. Hank. What's going on? We haven't worked a case in years. I just bought my car at Carvana and it was so easy. Too easy.

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[Laura Rosenberg]

You tell me. They got thousands of options, found a great car at a great price, and it got the delivered the next day. It sounds like Carvana just makes it easy to buy your car, Hank. Yeah, you're right. Case closed.

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[Laura Rosenberg]

Delivery fees may apply and there's a.

[Ebro Darden]

Lot of people in Nigeria right now celebrating the holidays, so. Man, we send love and light. That is a serious situation.

[Laura Rosenberg]

Oh, that sounds hard.

[Ebro Darden]

That is not what you want.

[Laura Rosenberg]

I hope he's all right. And I, I, I, I. Man, two people passed away. That's so awful. I was just reading yesterday a headline about Anthony Joshua, like laughing off the prospect of a Logan Paul fight. So when I saw that Louis sent me something, I assumed it was that. And of course you don't know how serious the injury is. Oh, man. But two people lost their lives, so that's awful.

[Ebro Darden]

Anyways, this is all the way sad all the way around.

[Laura Rosenberg]

And isn't it. It's just weird when something like that happens right around the time someone's having, like, really big moment. You know what I mean? Like, he's top of mind for everyone right now. It's just, it's just very.

[Ebro Darden]

That's very weird when those sort of things we've seen in the past can, you know, are so mentally jarring. Like where people lose their life in a, in an unforeseen way and you're there and you live through it. We've seen that, you know, people not be okay after that. So I listen. This is terrible.

[Laura Rosenberg]

Can't. I can't imagine. I'm completely speculating here. I can't imagine. Anthony Joshua was driving the car, right? I assume he was a passenger in the car and. But you don't know if the people with him are.

[Ebro Darden]

We don't know.

[Laura Rosenberg]

So here's. So here's some more, More of an update here. His vehicle collided with a stationary truck. According to local media, Joshua was in the back of the vehicle when it collided with a stationary truck. In social media videos of the site of the accident, you can see the 36 year old grimacing as he attempts to exit the car wreckage. So what I fear here, he wasn't.

[Ebro Darden]

Driving, is that we know that.

[Laura Rosenberg]

And if they hit a stationary vehicle, seemingly, I would imagine, from behind, I guess it's likely that the people in the front of his car are the two who may have been killed.

[Ebro Darden]

Yeah, we're speculating, Completely speculate.

[Laura Rosenberg]

But I got my first speculation right. He was in the backseat of the car. Okay, well, I'm one for one.

[Ebro Darden]

I mean, if you're looking, if you're keeping score, like, hit yourself with the.

[Laura Rosenberg]

Button, it's a weird thing to do.

[Sound Effect (Button)]

Congratulations, you played.

[Laura Rosenberg]

That's just awful, man. We just sent our best out. That's a. That's a horrible situation. All right, let me get you. Let me throw some other things at you. Let's pick things up a bit. Now. We were on the Kanye west thing of it all. Did you see Kanye West's bucket list? That came out.

[Ebro Darden]

Well, that's where I was gonna go after the Dion Cole pop out at.

[Laura Rosenberg]

His bucket list is where it's at that you want to feel good.

[Ebro Darden]

Why do you love this bucket list so much?

[Laura Rosenberg]

Because if it's him, if it's in fact real, it's just hilarious. Like, and it. And it does.

[Ebro Darden]

The only thing I found really funny was the final item. Item 36 on the bucket list.

[Laura Rosenberg]

Oh, hold on. Let me see. I don't remember what 36 was. Here we go. Learn to pole dance. Nah, 35 is better.

[Ebro Darden]

What's 35?

[Laura Rosenberg]

Own a pug.

[Ebro Darden]

Well, you're a dog lover.

[Laura Rosenberg]

Yeah, but that's not hard. Why is that on your bucket list? Like, you're just go.

[Ebro Darden]

Because you gotta find time and aren't pugs? Like, don't they have, like, sinus issues and things like that? Sure, sure.

[Laura Rosenberg]

But I imagine you gotta be prepared for these. But yay has help. You know what I mean? He has help.

[Ebro Darden]

He wants to be an involved dog owner.

[Laura Rosenberg]

Oh, really?

[Ebro Darden]

Owner. He doesn't want to just hand it off to the help.

[Laura Rosenberg]

You know what I'm saying? We know he's always very hands on in his care for people. He's always doing all the stuff. But there's a lot of stuff on this reported bucket list, though, that's just. Hey, man.

[Ebro Darden]

Well, so I couldn't really enjoy it all the way because I'm like, we don't know if it's his. Once again, it's the softening of Kanye West.

[Laura Rosenberg]

Right.

[Ebro Darden]

You know what I mean? This whole, like, he popped out of the show and he was awkward and humble and he didn't really talk, and. And now we're getting a bucket list, by the way.

[Laura Rosenberg]

You're right. It is a perfect thing to do like that. Because it reminds you of his funny idiosyncrasies.

[Ebro Darden]

That's right.

[Laura Rosenberg]

It reminds you of the lovable weird parts of Kanye.

[Ebro Darden]

That's right.

[Laura Rosenberg]

And helps you forget about the really detrimental, harmful, weird parts of Kanye.

[Ebro Darden]

Well, and that's why I go back to what I was talking about a minute ago. Depending on where you are, on his mental health affecting the behavior or the behavior just being a troll to see what he could get away with and some sort of like social experiment to get canceled and then build back. Right. Because there is a piece of me that, and I think we talked about this during the time when Kanye west was doing the whole MAGA thing and running for president and doing all the things that we brought up, how this was a social experiment. He wanted to tear his whole brand to shreds to see what he could get away with. Like it's all art to him. But then people go, no, he's got a mental health issue. And I'm like, yeah, but. And I used to. Remember, I used to say this all the time. Does he. Because he definitely knows when to go away.

[Laura Rosenberg]

You're right.

[Ebro Darden]

And not tweet and not be around.

[Laura Rosenberg]

He picks and chooses the mental health issues. That's for sure. When it comes.

[Ebro Darden]

Yes, he can have a mental health issue and mental health professionals claim his behavior is, you know, on, on on brand or you know, in line with what having mental health issues like his are. So I'm not a professional. I don't know. But it just seems like he knows when to stop tweeting and stop talking.

[Laura Rosenberg]

I would just like to say that on his bucket list, one of the items is write a book. I would like to see you replace that with read a book. I'd like to see that on the bucket list.

[Ebro Darden]

Why? Maybe he. But see now the softening of Kanye West.

[Laura Rosenberg]

Right.

[Ebro Darden]

Maybe he has started reading.

[Laura Rosenberg]

Hey, that'll be great, man.

[Ebro Darden]

Because he was a self proclaimed non reader during this whole last. What was it been.

[Laura Rosenberg]

Yeah, he's. He's been saying that. Yeah, he doesn't read now, by the way, for the record, I just want to say I'm not here to judge you. I'm not a reader either. Like the difference is I'm embarrassed by the fact that I'm not a reader. You're proud of the fact that you're not a reader. That's the only difference. I'm a bad reader. Like I'm good at reading articles when it comes down to sitting down and truly reading books. I wish I was a better reader.

[Ebro Darden]

Meaning you wish you had the desire.

[Laura Rosenberg]

The desire, the focus, the ability to read quickly. Yo, my dad. My dad pounds books. Like, it's crazy.

[Ebro Darden]

What's he doing with books?

[Laura Rosenberg]

Come on, man.

[Ebro Darden]

J.D. vance and couches. Your dad and books.

[Laura Rosenberg]

No, he. He really does, though. Like, he. It's. My dad goes to the library, brings back a stack and leaves with another stack and then goes home and goes through the mall and does it again and has been doing it his whole life.

[Ebro Darden]

Well, as he's a smart individual, I don't. That's why I listen to MJ. That's also why MJ's been calling out Israel since 1960. Whatever.

[Laura Rosenberg]

No, no, he wasn't calling them out then. He was a fully on board then.

[Ebro Darden]

But wait, when did he go. When did he. When did. When did he throw his hands in the air?

[Laura Rosenberg]

No, he didn't throw his hands in the air. He started evolving in, like. I mean, it started in the 80s and then, like. And then. And then I think really, his full, like, whoa. I'm. I see this completely differently. Is like 2000 is, you know, something like that.

[Ebro Darden]

So my. My mom was 1990. It's A.K. rabin. I think I told you that before.

[Laura Rosenberg]

Yeah, but Rabin was later than 90, you know, late 90s.

[Ebro Darden]

So, yeah, maybe it was around the same time.

[Laura Rosenberg]

I mean, that was a big moment for a lot of people.

[Ebro Darden]

My mom was out. Blame Netanyahu. These people are corrupt racists. I'll never trust them out.

[Laura Rosenberg]

I mean, listen, it was. That was a big moment for a lot of people, but it was evolving for a long time prior to that. But now, you know, now it's different. Now he feels like he was really lied to, like, his entire life. So it's like, it's a very.

[Ebro Darden]

He's not wrong. He's not wrong.

[Laura Rosenberg]

It's a very deep. I got into an argument with him the other day. Not an argument, like a brief spat, because he was saying a friend describes him as, you know, MJ really loves Israel. He's just disappointed. And my dad was pushing back on that. And I was like, nah, dad, that. That is what it is. He's like, yes, but conceptually he has a problem with the whole thing now. So you can't really just make it as simple as. I'm disappointed with what they're doing at this moment because it's like he's disappointed with the entire concept. But I said, that's still not unlike America.

[Ebro Darden]

No, it's not.

[Laura Rosenberg]

It's. It's. It's. And that doesn't mean you can't have a lot of love for a lot of pieces there. But he's. It's. He's so overwhelmingly saddened and angered that it's hard for him, but he does.

[Ebro Darden]

Are you. But are. Where are you on Israel? Because I feel like you don't even. Like, you don't. You haven't gone. Like, I've pushed you to be like, yo, you. You have to rethink your.

[Laura Rosenberg]

I have. I mean, I have. I have. I've. I've. I have rethought it. I. I firmly believe that all of it was essentially a lie. It doesn't change very much. For me, it's just like, America. So it's like, yes. Wow. The whole way that they marketed to Jewish people in the Diaspora is so messed up. Like, it was so messed up, and it was so effective, and it made all of us, you know, feel this incredible connection to the place, and that's so messed up. And. And now we're seeing, you know, and maybe, you know, Netanyahu may have. There may be a silver lining to Netanyahu and that he's so bad that he's truly allowed everyone to see the worst of what the design was of the place.

[Ebro Darden]

Well, they just had a big blow up. How do you say it? The Knesset.

[Laura Rosenberg]

Yep, in the Knesset.

[Ebro Darden]

So basically, in Israel, they're trying to investigate and have been investigating and almost convicted Netanyahu before October 7, but now they're still trying to have an independent investigation into October 7th and how that even happened. Rosenberg and I have been saying for a couple of years now that October 7th, there is so much security and surveillance that should have never happened.

[Laura Rosenberg]

It doesn't make any sense.

[Ebro Darden]

It makes zero sense.

[Laura Rosenberg]

And they were getting all kinds of warnings like, this isn't like. This isn't like, you know, us being wacky conspiracy theorists. They literally had people who were watching everything happening saying, hey, guys, we're seeing. We're seeing some stuff. This. This looks like an operation is happening. Hey, guys, we're seeing movement here. Hey. And. And they were ignoring it. And guess what the craziest thing is. Those women. It was. It was a battalion of, like, women who were. Who were doing the security. They all got killed.

[Ebro Darden]

Wow.

[Laura Rosenberg]

They were the ones sitting there watching it. And then they got killed as everyone showed up. They watched them coming. These were not armed militia. They were just security forces, like, watching on computers, and they're like, hello, Hello?

[Sound Effect (Button)]

Hello?

[Laura Rosenberg]

Is anyone going to help us? So you had that.

[Ebro Darden]

So they're not even alive to report on it.

[Laura Rosenberg]

No, but you have. But that. But they did report on it. People know it. There were also warnings from other countries. Wasn't Egypt. There were like other countries warning being like, hey, we're seeing things here that don't look good.

[Ebro Darden]

Just this weekend or in the last week. This weekend, other politicians in Israel were turning up in the Knesset, which is, I guess the con is like the Congress.

[Laura Rosenberg]

Yes.

[Ebro Darden]

And they were getting escorted out because Netanyahu's trying to push a bill through to take the independent investigation off the table. The way is the way I read it.

[Laura Rosenberg]

Yeah. Prime Minister Netanyahu is proposing he oversee a commission. Yo, tell me that ain't. Doesn't remind you of someone. He's proposing that he oversee the commission to determine the scope of an inquiry.

[Ebro Darden]

Nah, it's bad, bro. It's bad.

[Laura Rosenberg]

So it's going to be. The fight there continues. And the families, of course, the October 7th families, they're the ones who are really fighting and calling for justice and asking for help here because they don't feel like they're getting the answers to what happened to their loved ones. Like how. If you've ever been to Israel, and I haven't been to Israel since the mid-80s, but my family's, you know, everyone who's ever spent any time there, you do not go far. I know this sounds very like alarming, but it's part. You're just used to it. It's part of life there. You don't go far without seeing IDF soldiers with guns on them. They're everywhere. You're used to it. It doesn't feel weird. It's just part of the nature. They have soldiers walking around with guns around their neck everywhere. And the idea that multiple places could be getting attacked and there was no one nearby who was even able to get there. Ebro, you remember that one story of that kibbutz where they showed up and started killing people and no one showed up to the point that the father and grandfather of one of the family there drove from like three hours away with a handgun himself and saved his family?

[Ebro Darden]

I do. I vaguely remember that story.

[Laura Rosenberg]

Like three hour drive showed up and military still hadn't got there. It makes. Israel's not that big a place. It does not make any sense.

[Ebro Darden]

Well, shout to the. To the families and the politicians trying to find the truth.

[Laura Rosenberg]

Yeah, yeah.

[Ebro Darden]

You know, it's a long road. Look, here in the United States, you know, the, the fight for honesty, transparency, and the truth is, could take generations, bro.

[Laura Rosenberg]

I, I, I saw a clip this week of Tucker Carlson talking to Matt Gaetz. Yo, do you know how triggering it is for me when I hear these right wingers laugh off January 6th like it wasn't a big deal and act like the left is hysterical and talking about aoc, saying what she does in terms of, like, her anger about January 6th is, quote, performance art.

[Ebro Darden]

And what Tucker Carlson is currently doing as he pivots to try to, you know, get a home and cutter and embrace, you know, the, the, the questioning of American allies, including Israel, and be more thoughtful about, I don't know, inclusion of, of Muslims and, and Islamic nations in his travels and all of this nonsense. And you expect me to believe after all of this stuff you did, Tucker, you expect me to go ahead and act like this new version of you is not a grift? It's a grift.

[Laura Rosenberg]

Of course. I know. I love that. It's, it is definitely a grift. And I love that with the right wingers. How do they show that they're not exactly like the rest of them? Oh, it just happens to be hating Israel. That's the one thing they can do.

[Ebro Darden]

It's interesting. But Rosenberg, we are just haters. We're just haters.

[Laura Rosenberg]

We don't care. We don't get in the bag.

[Ebro Darden]

We're haters. We don't work hard. That's it. Bottom line. We're not, we're not willing to have the conversations.

[Laura Rosenberg]

Yeah.

[Ebro Darden]

Bring people together. We're divisive.

[Laura Rosenberg]

Yeah. Oh, I saw Ebro. I saw you post that last week. That got me hot, too. That not the Candace Owens spreading the Jews ran slavery situation.

[Ebro Darden]

Yeah.

[Laura Rosenberg]

Oh, that's, but listen, she's not an anti Semite. She's not. No. She just happens to be an Israel critic because she cares about the people of Gaza and she happens to say, let's take a look at slavery. Even though Jew, Even though there's no proof from a credible place that Jews ran the slave trade, she's pumping out classic propaganda. But she's not, she's no Jew hater.

[Ebro Darden]

It's so crazy, too, because people fall for it.

[Laura Rosenberg]

Oh, it sounds, it sounds so logical. It sounds so easy.

[Ebro Darden]

People fall for it. The slave trade was about making money for elites that wanted to make money who were white, whether they were Catholic, Christian, Jewish. Oh, and oh, by the way, you know who else made a lot of money in the slave trade? Muslims. You know, who still participated in Slave participates in the slave trade. People who are Muslim. It's still going on right now.

[Laura Rosenberg]

So you're saying it wasn't done by one religious group?

[Ebro Darden]

It wasn't a religious movement?

[Laura Rosenberg]

No, no, no. But Candace knows, though. She did. She's done the research.

[Ebro Darden]

And I think it's important to point out. It's important to point out, and I think history will support me here. Hot take.

[Laura Rosenberg]

Go ahead.

[Ebro Darden]

Every religion and group of people has terrible human beings in it.

[Laura Rosenberg]

Wow. That's what you're saying? You're going with that every group has bad people?

[Ebro Darden]

No, no, no, listen.

[Laura Rosenberg]

This is crazy what you're saying because.

[Ebro Darden]

I was from downtown, baby, you hit it. The 3yo mike drop. Well, we might have to close this. This episode on that.

[Laura Rosenberg]

All. You're saying all groups have bad people. Yeah, yeah, but that doesn't. That doesn't hit the algorithm, right? That doesn't start spreading around and get the shares.

[Ebro Darden]

That's not algorithm hustling.

[Laura Rosenberg]

No, that's not getting the shares. Come on, man. You know, Candace got to get these shares.

[Ebro Darden]

That's right. Get this. This podcast ranking up.

[Laura Rosenberg]

Are you getting the. Are you getting tons of videos? A normal person says, I miss my husband, Erica Kirk, and then, like, it shows crazy.

[Ebro Darden]

I can't even. Yo. The Erica Kirk digital marketing campaign, the TUSA campaign. I need their marketing director right now for this Ebro Laura Rosenberg show, because.

[Laura Rosenberg]

Even the ones that are making fun of her, it's all definitely part of the marketing, right?

[Ebro Darden]

No, no, no, because the. Because if you're algorithm hustling right now, you're talking about Erica Kirk because it's going to get shared. If you're trying to get in the algorithm and get seen. Erica Kirk is the convo. And so, a. There's one side of it where it's like, yeah, let's talk about Erica Kirk, because it's a scam and a sham, and she is a. Like, there's nothing credible about the whole thing. There's that part. Then there's her history, which is. I mean.

[Laura Rosenberg]

It'S interesting. No, no, the pieces I've seen are interesting.

[Ebro Darden]

I need. I need Gwen Stefani going, this is bananas. B, A, N, A. What are you.

[Laura Rosenberg]

What are you referring to? The. The past partners.

[Ebro Darden]

The past partners. Her being banned from a country because she was a part of some organization that was, like, trafficking kids or something. Like, she was. I think Romania was it, or something like that. Like, yeah, bro, yes.

[Laura Rosenberg]

She's just a grieving widowy, bro.

[Ebro Darden]

And then my favorite comment was People saying, what part of the grieving process is Wrestlemania?

[Laura Rosenberg]

No, it's.

[Ebro Darden]

No, that's my favorite line. Because then she walks out with, you know, pyrotechnics and, oh, T PUSA jump off.

[Laura Rosenberg]

Like, Cody Rhodes walked in the building. Yeah.

[Ebro Darden]

Nah, it's. It's crazy. The marketing is crazy. And. And I'm serious. If there's someone from Tusa that does their digital marketing, give us a call. Cuz I want it.

[Laura Rosenberg]

No, we need to get. Because if we want to really get things cracking and get in the algorithm, that's what you need right here.

[Ebro Darden]

No, you gotta have it.

[Podcast Announcer]

Ah.

[Laura Rosenberg]

We never seen anything like this in our lives. All right, before we wrap up, there's a few other things you sent that I want.

[Ebro Darden]

Loves Tusa, by the way.

[Laura Rosenberg]

Now, T push is hot. T post is very, very hot. Let's see, let's see. We didn't talk about Tyler Perry getting sued for sexual battery and sexual assault. And I went and read the whole thing.

[Ebro Darden]

Okay, give us, give us, give us the. Give us.

[Laura Rosenberg]

Nah, bro. Listen, I don't know if what happened is worth $77 million.

[Ebro Darden]

Yeah.

[Laura Rosenberg]

But I will say the dude. The dude who is accusing him. If those text messages are real. Listen, it's not like the worst thing you've ever seen. It's just big time creepo. Like, it's just. He's just a big.

[Ebro Darden]

But it's not worth 77 million.

[Laura Rosenberg]

Listen, I To me, being a creep and.

[Ebro Darden]

Wait, what word did you use? You said sexual harassment or sexual assault.

[Laura Rosenberg]

Well, it's both because there is, like, physical touching.

[Ebro Darden]

Okay, he did.

[Laura Rosenberg]

No, he did. He touched the guy.

[Ebro Darden]

And they were not in a consenting relationship.

[Laura Rosenberg]

No, it was. He was a guy who was working on set and then. And Tyler Perry hit him with some. Hey, you know, I can. I can really. I could really change your career. I'm a good person to know. He hit him with the. I'm a good person. Yeah, he hit him with the. I'm a good person to know. He rubbed. Rubbed his shoulders and started moaning and.

[Ebro Darden]

Then hit him with a ribada.

[Laura Rosenberg]

And then hit him. There's. And then. But then the embarrassing part is just the shared text messages because, like, you just see how pathetic. It's just. They're so pathetic. Now, I will say this in defense of Tyler Perry. This may come a surprise. This is a very good looking man. Not Tyler Perry, the guy he was sexually harassing.

[Ebro Darden]

Listen, Rosenberg, hit yourself with the button.

[Laura Rosenberg]

This guy's very handsome.

[Ebro Darden]

No, no, hit yourself with the Button.

[Laura Rosenberg]

Hold on.

[Ebro Darden]

That is, that's not appropriate.

[Sound Effect (Button)]

Congratulations, you played yourself.

[Laura Rosenberg]

Saying, I understand where he's coming from. This guy's hot.

[Ebro Darden]

I think, I think that's not what you want to do here.

[Laura Rosenberg]

No, you're probably right.

[Ebro Darden]

That's not what you want to do. Now, speaking of sexual assault and, and, and, and criminal activity, Justin and Christian Combs are doing their own documentary.

[Laura Rosenberg]

I saw that.

[Ebro Darden]

I saw also a headline that said, Christian Combs said that when he sees 50 Cent, he's gonna snuff him.

[Sound Effect (Button)]

And congratulations, you played yourself.

[Ebro Darden]

I wanted to encourage Christian Combs to retract that statement.

[Laura Rosenberg]

Yeah, you don't. We don't need to do that.

[Ebro Darden]

No, I don't think that's. I don't think that's the move.

[Laura Rosenberg]

I, I, I, For a variety of reasons, that's not the move.

[Ebro Darden]

And also, well, and if I'm 50 Cent, I feel threatened. Now, you might sue because, you know, 50 might sue. You know, 50 will run a lawsuit up.

[Laura Rosenberg]

Oh, yeah, absolutely.

[Ebro Darden]

Especially if he knows there's some money to get.

[Laura Rosenberg]

But can I, can I ask, why did they do this show? I think there's a lot of. I like the idea of the kids doing a show.

[Ebro Darden]

Okay, good for them.

[Laura Rosenberg]

They have a right to tell their story, and they've been dragged into all kinds of nastiness.

[Ebro Darden]

Well, and I want to let Justin know. I think. Well, Zeus. I think Zeus is got a, A lot of views, bro. I mean, a lot of people on there. Bro.

[Laura Rosenberg]

Bro is really. I just feel like they could have done it with a real network. Respectful, respectfully.

[Ebro Darden]

But maybe they wouldn't have had the freedom that they wanted. Maybe they wanted a level of freedom here and ownership.

[Laura Rosenberg]

Maybe they just wanted to be the lead in for the next Chrishan Rock project.

[Ebro Darden]

Nah, but listen, man, people watching Zeus, man. Don't do that. We might end up. You telling me if Zeus gave us an opportunity to broadcast, we wouldn't go on Zeus?

[Laura Rosenberg]

I, I've never, I've never really seen Zeus like that.

[Ebro Darden]

Never opened the app in my life.

[Laura Rosenberg]

So I don't know.

[Ebro Darden]

But instead of being up here hating on people getting bags, Rosenberg, maybe we need to open, Open our minds a little bit.

[Laura Rosenberg]

You know what? Maybe. You know what? I take it back. I want to be on Zeus.

[Ebro Darden]

Griff says if they open the wallet, he'll open the app.

[Laura Rosenberg]

All right.

[Ebro Darden]

I don't even know if we're John Blaze enough to be on Zeus, sir.

[Laura Rosenberg]

Nah, nah, we're not. We don't have the streets.

[Ebro Darden]

We're not. Not the way I ruined hip hop in New York. You being Jewish. Nobody wants to see that on Zeus.

[Laura Rosenberg]

Facts. Also, last story I saw getting noise was Northwest gets slammed for having diamond grills. Yo, can people stop? Can you guys out there stop treating Northwest like she's a regular? Like she's a regular 10 or 11 year old. Please stop. It's over, guys. They're like, let her be a child, guys. She is literally one of the most famous children on planet Earth. Her being regular was never in the plans. And she clearly, clearly, even at 10, 11 years old, wants the life of her parents. This is what she wants. Stop getting upset when she shows a grill because you're like, I wouldn't give my child a diamond grill. Well, you ain't Kim and your husband.

[Ebro Darden]

And you ain't got diamond grill money, so stop.

[Laura Rosenberg]

Stop acting, everyone. Oh, my God. The.

[Ebro Darden]

The.

[Laura Rosenberg]

The Pearl clutching over Northwest. She's not a regular child.

[Ebro Darden]

Well, so now when we close out today's show, Rosenberg, I want to close out.

[Laura Rosenberg]

Oh, she's 12, I'm told.

[Ebro Darden]

Yeah, she's 12 now with the big Kai Sanat breakup.

[Laura Rosenberg]

Oh, boy. I heard about this. This is big.

[Ebro Darden]

Now he tweeted that he'll never do relationships again. He's clearly. You know, I don't know if the girl I saw talking on the Internet, if that's valid or that was just some random. I'm not close enough to the story, okay? But what I wanted to focus on was how Kai Snot was emoting about the breakup, because you, sir, are someone, I think, who can relate.

[Laura Rosenberg]

You're saying the way he was grieving online, it gave Rosenberg it get big Rosenberg vibes.

[Ebro Darden]

Okay, I couldn't relate.

[Laura Rosenberg]

That doesn't sound good for him, by the way.

[Ebro Darden]

Any of my breakups were before social media. And generally speaking, most of the time, people hated my guts in a breakup anyway, so it wasn't really like, I didn't see it coming. Kind of like. Kind of like.

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Congratulations, you played yourself.

[Ebro Darden]

So I wanted to throw it to you for the close on the Kai. So not break up. Rosenberg, I don't know what you've read, what you know, but I think as an og, that's an original guru. Yeah, you may have some. Has some insight for Kaisana.

[Laura Rosenberg]

Well, listen, it sounded like he was very upset by this whole situation. To the point. To the point that he said he's literally never dating again.

[Ebro Darden]

Okay, have you been there, sir? Quickly.

[Laura Rosenberg]

Have I been. Have I been like, I'm never doing this Again, Yes. I don't know. I'm sure I said it to myself, but I don't. I didn't mean it. And I can't imagine he means it. I mean, he's been with the girl for like a year. And listen, at that time, you know, at that age a year, it feels like a big deal.

[Ebro Darden]

All right, let's see. K. Not.

[Laura Rosenberg]

He's like 22, right?

[Ebro Darden]

I. I'm. I'm checking. I want to make sure K. Not age. Kai sot.

[Laura Rosenberg]

24.

[Ebro Darden]

24.

[Laura Rosenberg]

24. Listen, a year at 24 is. Is a big deal. I had a breakup. My breakup at 25 was a big deal. It was bad. I made a mixtape where I'm standing inside a grave. Wow.

[Ebro Darden]

Yes.

[Laura Rosenberg]

You remember that, right?

[Ebro Darden]

I remember that.

[Laura Rosenberg]

I'll say. They can post it right here. Yo, this.

[Ebro Darden]

Wow, look at that.

[Laura Rosenberg]

No, it's crazy. I was standing inside a grave.

[Ebro Darden]

This was after. I want to clarify. This is after a breakup of. How many years were you with the person?

[Laura Rosenberg]

I was only with the girl for. I was. I was with the girl for like a year and a half, but she had been like my. She had been like my crush throughout college. And then I got her and. And I messed it up and I lost her. And by the way, then she came back around. I decided to stay with my ex instead.

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Congratulations. You played yourself.

[Laura Rosenberg]

But I guess everything happens for a reason, right? That's why we're here today. That's why little Maya is asleep in the next room. So this. So what I'm saying is, Kai, don't. Don't dig a grave for yourself. But listen, you're going to be down for a while. This is. This is like a standing eight count situation. You got to just sit here and stand and take the pain for a little bit and breed this one out. Take time.

[Ebro Darden]

The girlfriend, according to the Internets, is named Gigi Ala. Hopefully I'm pronouncing your name right. Kai says he's single, sparked rumors of Gigi cheating with NBA Young boy.

[Laura Rosenberg]

But she has denied that.

[Ebro Darden]

She's denied this, vehemently denies it, and says Kai knows the truth. Okay, but his vagueness is. Doesn't help the circulation of the rumors.

[Laura Rosenberg]

Right. He probably needs to come out and say, nah, she didn't cheat. It's not like that.

[Ebro Darden]

But he's leaving it vague because clearly he sees this circulating and he wants her to get that smoke because he's.

[Laura Rosenberg]

Just unhappy they broke up.

[Ebro Darden]

He's pissed.

[Laura Rosenberg]

Now, I will say this. If that part was true, I've never been through that. I've never been through. You lost your girl to NBA youngboy. That I've never been. That's a new. That's a wrinkle.

[Ebro Darden]

That's a wrinkle. Okay. Have you lost your girl to somebody who maybe is equal status of you? I've never, I've never lost your status.

[Laura Rosenberg]

I've never lost my girl to a person. I know this is gonna be very disappointing to the DJ academics, fans out there, but I've never actually lost my girl to a person. I've just lost them to myself. I've always lost them to myself. And then, now listen, then they end up dating a person and that is the. Oh, I mean, when that happens. You know, I famously told the story that when I called my high school sweetheart. We've been together for six years, we broke up because of me. I was on my Donnell Jones where I want to be era.

[Ebro Darden]

Yeah.

[Laura Rosenberg]

And. And then I decided I didn't like that very much and I, I kept calling her and when she had picked up the phone one day and she said, peter, I'm with someone else, stop calling me.

[Ebro Darden]

Damn. You were still sweating her.

[Laura Rosenberg]

No, I felt, I felt I fell on the ground. No, I fell.

[Ebro Darden]

Button hit yourself.

[Sound Effect (Button)]

Congratulations, you played fell on the ground.

[Laura Rosenberg]

I was rolling around on the ground.

[Ebro Darden]

Wait, you were still. First of all, I mean, multiple. There's multiple buttons here. You're still calling the girl. She had to tell you to stop.

[Laura Rosenberg]

Well, it, it. Once we broke up for the Donnell Jones where I want to be thing, we stayed friendly for a while.

[Ebro Darden]

And when you say Donnell Jones where I want to be thing, it's not because you thought you were Donnell Jones.

[Laura Rosenberg]

I thought I was Donnell Jones. I had never been with anyone else and I needed to be outside.

[Ebro Darden]

Got it.

[Laura Rosenberg]

And, and then as I, as I quickly learned, outside wasn't as dope as I expected.

[Ebro Darden]

Yeah.

[Laura Rosenberg]

And I'm still friends with her. And so every once in a while we would still, you know, talk, we'd even see each other.

[Ebro Darden]

So you weren't trying to get back with her?

[Laura Rosenberg]

No, but I still was treating. We were still something. There was still like whatever there was.

[Ebro Darden]

Were you.

[Laura Rosenberg]

And then, and then when she hit me with the hey, stop calling.

[Ebro Darden]

Were you.

[Laura Rosenberg]

I'm with someone else, by the way. And the crazy thing is just, just to show you how women are crazy. Like how women are crazy.

[Ebro Darden]

Oh, now it's her. Now she's crazy. Look at this.

[Laura Rosenberg]

But we did. But we did end up smashing. One more time.

[Ebro Darden]

When?

[Laura Rosenberg]

After that we saw each other in New York on some trip when she was with her new guy. All right, she was with him.

[Ebro Darden]

She was serious. She cheated on you? On him.

[Laura Rosenberg]

With you, Yo. And literally treated me like trash. She basically was like, come here, let me get this real quick. And then afterwards, like, I, like. It was like a weird. Women. I just want to do what I want to do and that's what I want to do right now. And then she, then she went on and had a serious relationship, but that was the beginning of them. They were together for a while and. Yeah, then we became friends.

[Ebro Darden]

You never text her and said anything crazy like, how dare you treat me? Like, how dare you use me?

[Laura Rosenberg]

No, I was happy to be used.

[Ebro Darden]

Objectify me. Cheat on your man. You didn't reach out to him?

[Laura Rosenberg]

I sued him.

[Ebro Darden]

Keep it real. You thought about DMing him and tell him what happened?

[Laura Rosenberg]

Well, the DM didn't exist at that time, sir, so I would have had to like call his home phone. But it was. You know what I'm saying? No, I sued her for 77 million. I said, I won't be treated like this. But, but that was. Listen, my point is, Kai, you're going to get through it. But it's hard. It's a very hard time, man. You know, the, the, the, the, the picture we just showed of me standing in my own grave, that was like the last inside joke that me and Mac Miller had because him and Ariana Grande had broken up. And I said, don't worry, bro, you're going to be better than me. And I sent him the picture of me in the grave, yo.

[Ebro Darden]

He laughed.

[Laura Rosenberg]

Oh, he. Then he'd randomly, he would randomly just text me back a zoomed in picture of my face from the COVID Like he fucking loved it. That's when I knew he was doing good because I was like, if you're able to take this joke and see why this is funny, I know you're in a good spot.

[Ebro Darden]

Well, look, I don't want to, I don't want to disrespect Matt because we love him, rest in peace. But I also don't want to dovetail away from focusing on you and what a disaster I was and what a disaster you are. And hopefully this makes Kaiser not feel better.

[Laura Rosenberg]

And I'm tell you one last thing, Kai. In 2018, actually, I was at Mac Miller's funeral in Pittsburgh and I got together with a family friend and the friend was telling me about his high school sweetheart. He's a kid. He was like going to college. And I told him the story I just told you about calling my high school sweetheart or saying, I'm with someone else. I don't want to be with you, and me being on the floor in pain. And I told him that story, and I was like, man, what a crazy time. And I was laughing and I didn't know one week later I'd be back there again.

[Ebro Darden]

Wow.

[Laura Rosenberg]

You never. You never know. You think it's never gonna happen again.

[Ebro Darden]

And you're like, well, it's gonna happen again.

[Laura Rosenberg]

But then it happens again.

[Ebro Darden]

Well, it can stop happening if you stop being the person that's causing it to happen.

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Congratulations. You played yourself.

[Ebro Darden]

You know what I'm saying?

[Laura Rosenberg]

I listen, I did. So I've done the work. It will not happen again. I'm saying, we'll see.

[Ebro Darden]

Listen. We'll see.

[Laura Rosenberg]

I listen. I don't. Please, please don't stay tuned for this. To see if I. If I mess up my life.

[Ebro Darden]

Listen. To be continued.

[Laura Rosenberg]

To be continued. All right, that was fun.

[Ebro Darden]

If you. Because if you mess up now, bro.

[Laura Rosenberg]

Oh, man.

[Sound Effect (Button)]

Congratulations. You played yourself.

[Ebro Darden]

I don't even know if we have a button big enough.

[Laura Rosenberg]

There's no but. No, there's no button big enough for that. Although people do it every day. It's amazing.

[Ebro Darden]

Subscribe, share, tell a friend, Give us some feedback. We're all into it, bro. Laura Rosenberg, the Show the Daily Show. Kind of not so daily right now because it's the holidays, but we're gonna get in our groove. Stay fine. Just don't call it a podcast.

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