63.) Styles P & ItsTheReal Eric Join Us! Jay-Z, Trump, & BK Show (3/25/26)

Summary

The Ebro, Laura, Rosenberg Show | Ep. 63: Styles P & ItsTheReal Eric Join Us! Jay-Z, Trump, & BK Show (3/25/26)

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Episode Overview

In this dynamic episode, Peter Rosenberg and Laura Stylez—minus Ebro, who is in LA—welcome special guests Styles P (The LOX) and Eric Rosenthal (ItsTheReal, Two Jews & Three Black Dudes) to the show. The conversation dives into the evolution of independent media, the cultural importance and dynamic of the "Two Jews & Three Black Dudes" live show, and a wide-ranging discussion on current political events, the state of race relations in America, the Jay-Z/BK show frenzy, and the deeper implications of the Kendrick vs. Drake battle. Insightful moments from a recent Jay-Z interview are dissected, and the team closes with a heartfelt "Gurus" advice segment about blended families.

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Key Topics & Discussion Highlights

1. Opening Vibes & Independence in Media

• [01:28–03:59] The hosts discuss going independent with the show, with Styles P praising the move:
  • “You don’t gotta fucking work for a corporation. You can work for yourself and that’s what you’re doing. You know me, I’m big on independence.” — Styles P (03:37)
• Mutual gratitude between the hosts and guests for their roles in hip-hop media and culture.

2. Spotlight: ‘Two Jews & Three Black Dudes’ Live

• [04:13–06:44] Eric and Styles introduce their live event at The Bell House in Brooklyn (April 16), explaining the premise:
  • “It’s not a podcast, it’s not a show—it’s a showcase… we just have a kind of cult following.” — Styles P (05:55)
  • Format: Audience watches a movie ahead of time (this time, The Breakfast Club), then group discussion and humorous, culturally rich segments happen live.
  • Memorable moments: Styles P threw pre-rolls into the crowd at their last show, highlighting the energy and interaction.
• The group jokes about their backgrounds and proximity to NYC hip-hop history (07:16–08:18).

3. Navigating Race, Antisemitism, and Real Conversations

• [08:31–13:11] Rosenberg asks about awkward racial conversations and stereotypes, leading to a nuanced dialogue:
  • “What makes our show dope… is we deal with the reality of showing people how to deal with it together, of real relationships… our takes aren’t gonna be the exact same. And that is fucking okay.” — Styles P (10:19)
  • Styles on prejudice vs. racism and how the show fosters honest cross-cultural engagement.
  • Standout quote: “There’s pieces of shit people from every race and good people from every race.” — Styles P (12:44)
• Contextualizes how hip-hop can bridge divides and offer a space for hard but necessary conversations.

4. U.S. Politics, Trump, and the State of America

• [13:11–27:40] The group reacts to a viral Trump-era “we negotiate with bombs” clip and explores broader political malaise:
  • “How the fuck they gonna give a fuck about somebody else somewhere else when you don’t give a fuck about at home?” — Styles P (17:11)
  • Candid takes on U.S. imperialism, hypocrisy, and the persistent lack of reckoning with Black American history.
  • On the government: “I think our whole government is dickheads… It’s all designed to look a certain way and for you to pick a side… the system’s a fucking joke.” — Styles P (20:10, 26:24)
  • Sharp exchanges about Democrats vs. Republicans, decorum, and the enduring legacy of racist laws.

5. Jay-Z’s Yankee Stadium Announcements & Ticket Frenzy

• [30:33–33:44] The hosts and guests marvel at the hysteria over Jay-Z’s upcoming shows:
  • Hilarious banter about the struggle to get tickets and the difference between festival vs. stadium experiences.
• Discussion of Jay joining the Roots Picnic and the perpetual demand for his appearances.

6. Jay-Z’s Career, Accusations & Battle Culture in Hip-Hop

• [34:00–42:32] Playing and responding to clips from Fraser Tharp’s GQ interview with Jay-Z:
  • On false accusations: “You don’t put that on someone. You have to be super sure before you put those kind of things on a person… that took a lot out of it.” — Jay Z (34:25)
  • Hosts challenge the online mob mentality and the erosion of evidence-based discussion.
• The Kendrick vs. Drake battle:
  • Jay-Z expresses discomfort with the modern “battle” fallout:
    • “It’s not just sparring anymore. People that like Kendrick hate Drake… and it’s like attack on his character…” — Jay Z (41:41)
  • Styles P shares his perspective:
    • “The non competitiveness is what fucked up hip hop in the first place… I felt rappers became too friendly… but social media just makes everything too negative afterwards.” — Styles P (43:21, 44:53)
  • Real talk on how online culture amplifies toxicity and erases distinctions between genuine and performative fandom.

7. On Boundaries, Diss Tracks, and Fan Culture Shift

• [51:05–54:16] The group recalls the Jay-Z vs. Nas “Super Ugly” episode as a cultural line that nowadays seems absent:
  • “Those was genuine fan bases invested in something that happened—not people fake invested…” — Styles P (52:53)
  • Critique of how current fan armies attack, ‘cancel’ critics, and foster deeper division, compared to constructive criticism of the past.

8. Gurus Segment: Advice on Blended Families

• [55:02–59:36] A listener email about blended families and raising a stepson:
  • Compassionate advice from Styles and Rosenberg:
    • “It’s his feelings, not yours. He’s probably dealing with trauma and stress of his mom not being in his life… his bitterness back to you probably comes from the lack of relationship…” — Styles P (57:15)
    • “He is your son. You are raising him… don’t allow that to subconsciously in your brain go, well, you’re not my son anyway. Fight through that…” — Peter Rosenberg (58:05)
  • Emphasis on patience, empathy, collective healing, and involving both parents in the process.

9. Wrap-Up & Mutual Appreciation

• [61:09–62:08] Expressions of gratitude, continued support for each other’s projects, and a plug for Styles P’s CMOS products.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “You don’t gotta fucking work for a corporation. You can work for yourself and that’s what you’re doing. You know me, I’m big on independence.” — Styles P (03:37)
• “What makes our show dope… is we deal with the reality of showing people how to deal with it together, of real relationships… our takes aren’t gonna be the exact same. And that is fucking okay.” — Styles P (10:19)
• “How the fuck they gonna give a fuck about somebody else somewhere else when you don’t give a fuck about at home?” — Styles P (17:11)
• “If you’re a racist or a bigot, you’re sort of a dickhead… You definitely have the right not to like certain shit… But at the end of the day, fuck out of here. There’s pieces of shit people from every race and good people from every race.” — Styles P (12:44)
• “It’s not just sparring anymore. People that like Kendrick hate Drake… and it’s like attack on his character…” — Jay Z (41:41)

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Key Timestamps

• 01:28 – Show welcome and independent media talk
• 04:13 – Two Jews & Three Black Dudes show breakdown
• 08:31 – Addressing race talk, antisemitism, and hip-hop’s bridge-building
• 13:11 – Trump administration, “we negotiate with bombs” clip, and U.S. hypocrisy
• 26:10 – Critique of the American political system and legacy of racist laws
• 30:33 – Jay-Z concert madness
• 34:00 – Jay-Z interview reactions (accusations, Drake/Kendrick battle)
• 41:19 – Jay-Z on the fallout of the Drake/Kendrick beef
• 43:21 – Styles P on competitiveness and negativity in hip-hop
• 51:05 – Recalling “Super Ugly,” changes in fan culture
• 55:02 – The Gurus advice segment (blended family/teenage boys)
• 61:09 – Show wrap and mutual plugs

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Tone & Style

The conversation is transparent, lively, and no-holds-barred—balancing street-level honesty, humor, and cultural commentary. Styles P brings trademark directness, while Rosenberg and Laura pivot between facilitating and introspective. The guests and hosts challenge each other and the audience to confront uncomfortable truths—politically, within hip-hop, and personally.

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In summary, this episode offers a packed and timely ride through the fractured American landscape, hip-hop’s shifting culture, ticket scalping headaches, and deeply personal advice—anchored by camaraderie, hard-earned wisdom, and the desire to push media and culture forward, independently.

Transcript

[Styles P]

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[Eric Rosenthal]

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[Peter Rosenberg]

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[Styles P]

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[Peter Rosenberg]

Wrong one. It's not how you start. That's how you start. Oh, boy. Ladies and gentlemen, this is exciting. Laura.

[Laura Stylez]

I know. What a fun morning.

[Peter Rosenberg]

So the. The situation is as follows. Ebro had to go to Los Angeles, I think la.

[Laura Stylez]

Yes.

[Peter Rosenberg]

For Apple stuff. We're gonna have him with us from LA tomorrow.

[Laura Stylez]

That's right.

[Peter Rosenberg]

But today, because of the travel situation, he wasn't able to come. And we said, what should we do? And I said, well, we're down a half black, half Jewish man. Even though Ebro's Jewishness is very selective. It's like sometimes it's y'. All. But I know when he's in the right room with Jews, like, you know, with us, it's like. So we said, what better than a member, two members of two Jews and three black dudes to join us. And that's what we have. Eric Rosenthal and Styles P. And thank

[Styles P]

you guys for having us. We're here.

[Laura Stylez]

So excited to have you guys. Thank you and welcome to our new fabulous studio.

[Eric Rosenthal]

Congratulations.

[Styles P]

The ELR show.

[Eric Rosenthal]

Yeah.

[Styles P]

Yeah.

[Peter Rosenberg]

It feels pretty good in here, right?

[Eric Rosenthal]

It feels great in here. I watch every morning. I'm not even joking. It is fantastic and like, really wonderful to see you guys. Not just like getting off on like the right foot, but like sprinting. You guys have done a fantastic job.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah. You are an all time loyal supporter of all things that we do and I appreciate it. SD you're pretty good yourself. Yeah, you're solid.

[Styles P]

I think so. I think I fit in for that.

[Peter Rosenberg]

You're down since day one. I like to think that if, you know, if Styles went up to another place, he wouldn't be like, ah, thank God. This show's good. I remember how long it's been. Trash.

[Styles P]

Listen, as I'm actually supporting what y' all do. That's dope. I think it's wonderful, actually, to be honest.

[Peter Rosenberg]

What? Just doing something new and on our own.

[Styles P]

I mean. Yeah, doing something new on your own and actually, you know, we go to big corporations and they use us and then you leave out. And if you're gonna leave out, take the fucking crowd with you.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Right?

[Styles P]

You got the crowd. You still got the talent. You don't gotta fucking work for a corporation. You can work for yourself and that's what you're doing. You know me, I'm big on independence.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Well, yeah, you've done a good job with that. Yeah, no, I should have. Should have followed your inspiration a long time ago. But we might have juice places. Who knows what we.

[Laura Stylez]

I know we definitely said, you know what, we probably should have done this earlier. We looked at each other, but, you know, we're here.

[Styles P]

God, sounds better than anybody.

[Laura Stylez]

That's right, Right, right, right.

[Peter Rosenberg]

And. And it's really cool to have you guys here now. Now before we. I forget and we get too far down the road. Yes, Eric. What are you guys promoting? What is going on right now for two J3BD guys.

[Eric Rosenthal]

Two J3BD, two Jews and three black dudes. Jadakiss, Styles, P. She Clutes, Jeff and myself, right? We are touching that stage in Brooklyn on April 16th. The Bell House is the second time that we've done it. The first time the energy was out of control. So if people are used to watching us on, on Monday mornings, right? We talk about movies, we talk about life, we talk about like our different perspectives through the lens of a movie like Django Unchained or a movie like Home Alone. Right?

[Styles P]

Our field of dreams.

[Eric Rosenthal]

Our field of dreams.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Absolutely. It's one of my favorite episodes.

[Eric Rosenthal]

Yeah.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Field of dreams.

[Eric Rosenthal]

And so we've done this for. Listen, it's an eight year old. It's an eight year old show cast, right? But we've only taken it seriously for the last two.

[Styles P]

Yeah, definitely.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Cuz that's. That's the line but that's not the. That's the way you guys have been doing it. How do you describe something that's been around for a long time? People only known about it the last two years. We ain't. By the way, I've been there. I believe I've been there more than once.

[Eric Rosenthal]

The point is we're taking it seriously.

[Laura Stylez]

At what point were you like, all right, we. We have something good here. Let's lock it. Let's lock in.

[Styles P]

Two years. Two years ago? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. About two years ago. No, I think we. It's niche. It's very niche. It's something we do. I believe it's different. Cause it's not a podcast, it's not a show, It's a showcase. So it's something very niche. Something very different. Covid hit too, kind of screwed things up. Yeah. You know what I mean? It's kind of screwed that run up. Then after a little while, we just said, all right, you know what we see? We have a kind of like a cult following. People who really love the show and it meant a lot to them and just what we bring to the table. So we got more serious, just buckled down and picked up on our shit.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Do you have a theme of the live show?

[Eric Rosenthal]

We are going to watch a movie, and that movie is going to be the Breakfast Club.

[Peter Rosenberg]

And you are going to watch it together with the audience or prior.

[Ebro Darden]

Prior.

[Styles P]

They watch it at home.

[Laura Stylez]

Okay.

[Peter Rosenberg]

And then we will come together and discuss.

[Eric Rosenthal]

Yes. And the greatest thing is that, like, you don't have to watch the movie. You guys can just enjoy the vibes. We have segments like is Jadakiss Italian or Karate man or what she mad about? That have gone super viral and have provided us a chance for people to engage in a different way. It's not just, hey, let me watch this two and a half hour movie. It's not just, hey, let me commit to a discussion on this thing. It's like, hey, I enjoy the clips on Instagram. I'm there for that. But the live show is incredible. The energy, the moment that Styles touched that stage. He was throwing pre rolls into the audience. The crowd was going crazy.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Wow.

[Laura Stylez]

You know, I love that.

[Styles P]

Yeah, you got to get right.

[Peter Rosenberg]

You got to be in the right mindset. Now, was this week's episode Teen Wolf?

[Eric Rosenthal]

Yeah, it absolutely was.

[Peter Rosenberg]

And sp. Where do you fall on Teen Wolf?

[Styles P]

Classic.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Loved it. You already. You were already into it or you saw. Yeah, I was about to say 51, bro. Yeah. In both. In most. In most situations is it fair to say that you are the member of the Locks that has seen the most stuff that you guys bring to the table, or is it sort of evenly distributed? Who has seen what?

[Styles P]

I think I've seen the most?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Because I'll just say you're a very avid entertainment consumer.

[Styles P]

Yeah, I've probably seen the most.

[Eric Rosenthal]

I think part of the fun, too, is, like, guessing whether, like, Kiss or she could actually watch the movie. Like, that's part of the roulette wheel that we, you know, spin each week. But it is this nice thing where it's like, Jeff and I grew up 10 minutes from these guys, right?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah, but you're not from New York. You know what I mean? That's Western.

[Eric Rosenthal]

As real New Yorkers, I just want to say, guys, welcome, and it's nice to meet you.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I don't know where that line is. Westchester County. It's tough to find.

[Styles P]

No, but.

[Eric Rosenthal]

Okay, so we grew up 10 minutes.

[Styles P]

We're closer to hip hop than everybody else.

[Peter Rosenberg]

That's right. As close as you could get.

[Eric Rosenthal]

Yeah.

[Styles P]

And the Bronx.

[Eric Rosenthal]

Yeah.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Oh, you mean. You mean actually geologically closer than. Geologically closer than. Yeah, not geologically. Geographically, that.

[Styles P]

Geo. Somebody.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah.

[Eric Rosenthal]

Geo.

[Styles P]

It's early. Yeah. Bronx, Yonkers.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Wow. It is true.

[Laura Stylez]

It is right there.

[Peter Rosenberg]

It's as close. It's closer to the Bronx than even most of Manhattan.

[Styles P]

Yeah.

[Eric Rosenthal]

Big fact.

[Styles P]

By far.

[Peter Rosenberg]

And definitely closer than Brooklyn and Queens.

[Styles P]

By far.

[Eric Rosenthal]

Yeah.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I love that tape.

[Styles P]

Yeah. By far. Right.

[Eric Rosenthal]

We're only talking numbers, guys.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Right.

[Styles P]

So you guys walk to Sedgwick.

[Peter Rosenberg]

F. Total. Exactly. Meanwhile, you're in Brooklyn. Try walking to Sedgwick Ave. You know

[Styles P]

what I'm talking about.

[Peter Rosenberg]

So you grew up 10 minutes from

[Eric Rosenthal]

the Locks, and these guys were our musical heroes. Right. To be able to get together with them, Obviously, for the last 10 years, we've been extremely close. We have this brotherhood that is real and true. And to get together on a weekly basis when the world is so shitty.

[Jay Z]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Eric Rosenthal]

And laugh and talk about movies. It's not your normal, like, oh, we're gonna sit down with one rapper and talk, you know, about their life. Like, everyone's doing that. We don't have to.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Something just crossed my mind that has not yet done so in knowing you guys as a thing together. And maybe it's because now it's. This is like the biggest version of it, and it's catching the most wind. But have you styles had any situations now? And honestly, you're a very diverse person in general, and you have all kinds of close people in your life. Like, you're one of those people who in our industry is close to many people. Right? You're one of the people. But because now you have this close association and we are living in weird times where, like, bro, I mean, I don't know how much you guys see it because you're not as diverse, divisive a figure as I am, perhaps. But, like, the Jew talk stuff is crazy and pops up. And, like, especially with how horrible Gaza has been. Like, we've seen a lot of crazy. Ish. Do you guys now ever get thrown into situations where people say just loose shit about Jewish people and you're kind of like, yo, definitely.

[Styles P]

That's just. That's before this situation, I think. 1. Just being a rapper in the industry, you know, you always hear about the. The Jews did this, this, did that, that. And the real thing about it, what makes our show dope and what makes our show cast dope is we deal with the reality of showing people how to deal with it together, of real relationships. Like, you've been in hip hop. You know what it is? You have close black people that you love that are your friends. But then you also know how there's a lot of white people that feel about those black people. So it's a fine line that you're balancing. So what we do is we have a showcase that allows people to feel comfortable with being themselves and allows. We have conversations that most people probably want to have with their black friend or their white friend or their, you know, whatever race. The race it is that they may not feel exactly comfortable. What our showcase does is let you know you're in a space of where, One, where you get to feel relaxed because we're talking about movies. Two, you get. We showing you things that people have in common. You could be black, white, Asian, Spanish, Latin, whatever the fuck you are. You love entertainment. You love being viewing things. But then also, we have real views on the shit we're watching. Like, I'm watching something as a black man, he's watching it as a Jewish man, and our takes aren't gonna be the exact same. And that is fucking. Okay. Yeah.

[Peter Rosenberg]

It's actually what makes the show great.

[Styles P]

It's all right. And I think people feel uncomfortable with just the everyday. I'm not really sure how to feel comfortable around these people. So I don't really. I don't. I don't buy into that shit. So if you. If you do come up to me, I'm gonna most likely say, get the Fuck out of my face. Like, grow the fuck up and get the fuck out of my face. Because I'd like to keep a. I like to look at the world like this. I feel our show cast is definitely a part of evolution. And it's a lot of fucked up people. Especially. I don't feel you could be. I feel you could be prejudiced as a black man. I don't feel you could be racist. Cause you can't affect a white man's life with your prejudice.

[Peter Rosenberg]

But you could still be a bigot.

[Styles P]

You could be a bigot and you could be prejudiced. Like a white person could be racist because they could affect your fucking lifestyle.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Correct.

[Styles P]

And you might not be able to move somewhere, get a job somewhere, do some shit. But when we think about it, in a human being sense, in a spiritual being sense, which I show does. Is there's so many fucking mixed people out there already. If you're a racist or a bigot, you're sort of a dickhead. You're antiquated or you're slow, or you're not in tune with how you feel. You definitely have a right to not like certain shit, appreciate it, not fuck with it. Like, you know me, I'm one of the blackest people you'll ever see. I don't bite my tongue. I say what I want to say.

[Peter Rosenberg]

You literally had a song called I'm Black.

[Styles P]

Yeah, for sure. So I think, you know, it's just about telling people fuck out of here. And here's our mission, here's what we're doing. Fuck you. And it's cool. There's pieces of shit. People from every race and good people from every race. And that's just it. At the end of the day, when you start trying to subscribe and describe and communicate everything to fucking morons, then you're gonna slow yourself down a tad bit.

[Peter Rosenberg]

So speaking of all of those things, the. The racists, the morons, the bigots. Yeah. The Trump administration was at work yesterday. Yeah. There's a lot of interesting things that happened. Many distractions, a lot of nonsense stuff at the airports. I think probably the main thing moving around was video 29. At least for me. I don't know. Everyone different stuff. Pete Hegseth, this was one of the crazier things. You will see the Secretary of the War Department.

[Eric Rosenthal]

Crazy.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Used to be, I believe, the Secretary of Defense. But the head of the War Department, Pete Hegseth, was one for the history books, truly.

[Ebro Darden]

That's because we have a president of the United States that When he sends his war fighters out to fight, he unties their hands to actually go out with and destroy the enemy as viciously as possible from moment one. And that's why we see ourselves as part of this negotiation as well. We negotiate with bombs. You have a choice. As we loiter over the top of Tehran, as the president, the big piece at the beginning.

[Peter Rosenberg]

You haven't seen this yet, Styles?

[Styles P]

No.

[Peter Rosenberg]

All right, here you go. Hit it again. Go ahead, Bascom. You got a blow in. The cartridge

[Ebro Darden]

was one for the history books, truly. And it's because we have a President of the United States that when he sends his war fighters out to fight, he unties their hands to actually go out and close with and destroy the enemy as viciously as possible from moment one. And that's why we see ourselves as part of this negotiation as well. We negotiate with bombs. You have a choice. As we loiter over the top of Tehran, as the president talked about. About your future, the president has made it clear that you will not have a nuclear weapon. The War Department agrees. Our job is to ensure that. And so we're keeping our hand on that throttle as long as hard as is necessary to ensure the interests of the United States of America are achieved on that battlefield. This is not Iraq and Afghanistan. This is not a president who's interested in vague end states. He's been very clear with us about what we need to accomplish, creating the conditions for them never to have a nuclear capability. And that's exactly what we're doing in historic fashion. Thank you, Mr. President.

[Styles P]

Thank you.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Appreciate it. Thank you. All right, you can turn that on.

[Styles P]

You know, the only two people.

[Peter Rosenberg]

So obviously the number one. We negotiate with bombs was sent people crazy.

[Laura Stylez]

Of course.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I mean, it's an insane, insane, horrible, and yet so perfectly US Thing to say at this time. We negotiate with bombs. Slight side note, that's just on the funny side. Did you guys notice that when he did the hand motion and said, you gotta have your hand on the throttle long and hard, Trump literally hit him with a. Trump literally rolled his eyes like my man ao. But I just. We keep coming back to the same thing here. I don't understand how the negotiating terms are going to be for Iran. And I'm not trying to say that that regime is not effed up. How are you going to say to someone when negotiating, we're attacking you. We can have nukes. They're attacking you. They can have nukes. You're not allowed to. Those are the rules. Yeah, don't worry. Trust us. We're just the ones currently destroying your country.

[Eric Rosenthal]

Right.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I just don't understand that as a negotiation.

[Eric Rosenthal]

I also hate to get back into like, you know, the reality of, well, they were never going to have nuclear weapons.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Oh yeah.

[Eric Rosenthal]

You know, like there is no point to the bombs in the first place. It's not a negotiation tactic. This man doesn't know what he's doing. These people who are in charge shouldn't be. It sucks. It sucks that, that there's so much oxygen that is given to these people. And I, I don't know how people have gotten to this place where these people are running this country and what it really means anymore.

[Styles P]

Because I had to say this is the black man in the room.

[Peter Rosenberg]

No, please love saying it as the black man in the room.

[Styles P]

Yeah, I do.

[Eric Rosenthal]

Yeah.

[Styles P]

How the fuck they gonna give a fuck about somebody else somewhere else when you don't give a fuck about at home?

[Eric Rosenthal]

Right.

[Styles P]

If you've never ever even established within the citizens who built the fucking country of respecting them, caring about them, looking at them as equal human beings and you've off a country that they built that you've took advantage of, that you got wealthy off of generational rich, do you think they honestly give a fuck or should even be in the place of having these discussions? No. So it actually makes no fucking sense because we're talking about people who don't care about other people. What it's going to take to fix the fucking world on a. On a global status.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yes.

[Styles P]

Is good white men to check evil white men. And that's really what it boils down to at the end of the day. And I hate to say it, but it's white people's responsibility to now look at the world and say, what is my contribution? What am I saying? Or not saying? Am I using just. Am I not the prejudice person but using my privilege to get over? Or am I going to use my voice to say, hey, let's really fight for fucking equality?

[Peter Rosenberg]

That goes back to what you said

[Styles P]

because you get to get to do this. Because when you're at home and say, hey, I've done this here so many fucking times, you it becomes now implemented in your mind. I'm such the person who deserves to have the bombs. You can't have the bombs. I got say over you, you, you and you. Because it really gets down to white power at the end of the day on this side. I can't speak of fucking Europe. I don't live in Europe or Iran.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Right.

[Styles P]

I can't speak for that. But over here is just think about what you just said. I could fucking bomb you. Run up on you and do this and tell you what you can't have.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Right?

[Styles P]

Like, that's fucking evil.

[Peter Rosenberg]

And not only that, you said, like, show any respect for the people who built this country. They're blatantly and aggressively rolling back any proof that negative things ever happened to black people in this country day by day.

[Laura Stylez]

That's the plan. That's the plan. When I see I had to send a friend of mine, I'm like, y' all never. Y' all never saw the tick tocks of all the teachers in Florida being like, look what's happening behind me. They're coming here, removing books on black history. Any author who is lgbtq, the Holocaust, like, straight, just plucking them out, plucking them out, plucking them out. And it's like, what are we gonna be left with a whole generation of people who really believe these MFers?

[Styles P]

Yeah.

[Eric Rosenthal]

It drives me crazy whenever I see, like, a poll and it says that, like, however, whatever number it is, you could say 35%, you could say 50%, whatever the amount of support Trump is getting, that. That exists Blows my mind, bro. Yeah.

[Laura Stylez]

Especially in the Latino community.

[Styles P]

Yeah.

[Laura Stylez]

I look at them and my blood boils. I'm like, they will never choose you.

[Eric Rosenthal]

Right.

[Laura Stylez]

They do not care about you.

[Eric Rosenthal]

Right. Everyone has been sold snake oil. It is just a horrible reality.

[Styles P]

But it's. The reality is it really shows that people don't give a fuck about other people.

[Laura Stylez]

Yes. 100%.

[Styles P]

I think our whole government is dickheads.

[Eric Rosenthal]

Yeah.

[Styles P]

You know, because really, if you want to get down to it, we aren't. I don't. I would be confused at how we even saying. This is a fucking upright, standing country that gives a fuck about it. Like, if I worked in the White House, I would have a hard time. Like, I would be like, this is bullshit on either side. Like, this is. This is. Everything's fucking hard. But one. The Republican Party is all the way dickheads, full of shit. The Democrat Party is the fucking same thing, but using you at the same time. Like, it's people supposed to run the government. I think that's the fucking problem with people in the first place. Not the government run the people.

[Peter Rosenberg]

But that's the flaw of government by its nature. The problem is we want to have a government. We need to elect the government. But the kind of people who want to be elected to run government are a specific kind of person, and those people generally have a lot of Flaws. That being said, the thing I'd push back on, when we get into a little bit of like the same sides, you know, or Democrats are bad, Republicans are bad.

[Styles P]

No, I think everybody's.

[Peter Rosenberg]

And that's. That's fine.

[Styles P]

I'm not picking the side.

[Peter Rosenberg]

However. However we can. There's levels to this thing. And as bad as things may have been in 2010, two things. One, we could argue that things weren't getting actively worse. Like we are trying to make things actively worse and someone's not trying to actively put our human beings in danger. Like we're gonna literally repeal things to protect human beings, whether that's the food that we eat, the drugs that we take. And also then of course there's decorum. So you do. To me, decorum matters. Right? And like Obama's decorum, I understand you could just say it's. Well, it's being polite. But overall, decorum, the tone that's been set in this country, we are seeing it trickle down everywhere. We are no longer serious anywhere at tonight.

[Eric Rosenthal]

No one's dressing up to go on flights anymore. Right.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Wants to wear a robe. No, but by the way, almost stupid. Why is that?

[Styles P]

Because even with whatever the Karm is going on, it's all full of shit. See, until you get to the point where no matter what party you have in there and you start really giving a fuck about the equality in this country, it's the same shit that's been going on for years. Dressed up nicely. Hey, you got one guy going, fuck you, nigger, basically without saying it. And then you got the other person who's like, I'm with you. This looks really pretty. I'm on your side. I'll dance with you. I eat a little chicken pop up in the hood, but I'm going home and saying, fuck you, niggers still too. So it's all been dressed up because at some point you go into. We face the. It's like being in a fucking relationship and something fucked up. And you never said. And just moving on and addressing.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I agree with that.

[Styles P]

That's what America is.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I agree with that part.

[Styles P]

So how the fuck are you?

[Peter Rosenberg]

But I also get into a better

[Styles P]

place if there's no equality in the first place.

[Peter Rosenberg]

But I also feel that Trump, the Trump's America didn't simply, in my opinion, expose racism. I believe it has hyper hyping. It's brought it back out and said no, no. Because there was a time this. Where for decades, yes, you're right, there were still Democrats going home who were racist. But as a society we decided, yo, racism is bad. You're not supposed to publicly say you're racist. You will be shunned for that. You will be embarrassed. You may think the people who said that are full of shit, but at least it was said you can't do that. By now it being like, no, no, it's fine. Raise your kids racist, come out racist. Everyone be racist. To me. That is a distinct worst thing about right now, bro.

[Laura Stylez]

One of the main things that makes some of these streamers popular is how racist they are.

[Eric Rosenthal]

Yeah.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Oh, that's literally their thing.

[Styles P]

Yeah.

[Peter Rosenberg]

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[Eric Rosenthal]

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[Eric Rosenthal]

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[Peter Rosenberg]

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[Eric Rosenthal]

Okay, one thing that I think is super important here that we haven't said out loud is the money. The money has made this all possible, right? For sure. The biggest divide that we have in this country now is the haves and the have nots. Right? And money has given control to Trump. Money has given control to the Republican Party. Money has given control to the Supreme Court who allows Trump all this landscape to do whatever he wants.

[Styles P]

Like I'm sorry, go ahead. How the fuck we even look at any of this real to be honest with you.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Go ahead.

[Styles P]

And government in totality. The guy's a fucking felon. What the fuck does the Democratic party or the Republican party or anybody in. He has more felonies than me. He's offense. So our whole system is full of shit. It's all designed to look a certain way and for you to pick a side and you really to think something's going on. The system's full of the whole. It's full of. It's full of shit. Like when you the party was running Yanni fucking know from eight years ago that Joe Biden wasn't fit to be the candidate.

[Jay Z]

Oh please.

[Styles P]

You didn't have the common sense to go, dude, you're Fucking old. You falling down. You don't remember? Out of this whole party of intelligent human beings that's supposed to run the country, couldn't even put the right candidate up at the right time.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah.

[Styles P]

And then you can't. There's nobody who in the government, Democratic, Republican, some other fucking thing was to go. This is utterly fucking ridiculous, bro.

[Peter Rosenberg]

This is a joke.

[Styles P]

This system is a fucking joke.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Are there no politicians?

[Styles P]

It's a joke.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Are there no politicians?

[Styles P]

There's a lot of great politicians. I'm speaking on the system, but.

[Peter Rosenberg]

So you just don't think they can be effective within the system?

[Styles P]

I don't think it could be effective within the system. We still own by laws that was made up by fucking racist white dudes who wore wigs. Cars drive themselves now. You can talk to your watch. I could start my kitchen fucking oven from right now on my phone. I could look at my camera across the world. But the laws from fucking white men who wore wigs who didn't respect women or black people are still in effect. This system's a fucking joke.

[Laura Stylez]

And they're trying to bring back a lot of those laws removing women's rights. Listen, I saw this one guy was like, you know, we talked about it on the show. Like, he believes there should be one vote per household. Women should not have the right to vote. And they really, truly believe that in their hearts.

[Styles P]

What kind of fucking government either party do we have where somebody could come back and say what the fuck women should do with their body? This shit is a joke, bro. We're all in some kind of. I don't know how to fix it. I wish I did. I wish I was smart enough or knew smart enough wealthy people to get in the room and go, this shit is a fucking joke.

[Peter Rosenberg]

And then the people.

[Styles P]

Like, it's literally a joke. You got ice running up in front of. They killing white people. White people.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah, I know. It's a fucking joke. If that wouldn't do anything, think about how crazy that is. White people are killing it. In Minnesota, they were only killing white people. Still nothing happened.

[Eric Rosenthal]

Yeah, like, just.

[Styles P]

It's a fucking joke, bro. Like, it's.

[Peter Rosenberg]

It's a joke now. Do you guys have any plans to travel soon?

[Styles P]

All the time.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah. Yeah. Like, when are you out again? Do you have a date? Do you have any dates right now

[Styles P]

on your calendar traveling from here to Westchester?

[Peter Rosenberg]

I'm thinking about. I got WrestleMania in a few weeks, and I'm like, if show up now as of this Friday, they could. If they lay More people off this Friday. It's only gonna get significantly worse next week. Cause yesterday I saw it looked like JFK wasn't bad. It looked like here wasn't bad. But in other places, like if you're going to Houston, New Orleans, Atlanta.

[Laura Stylez]

It fluctuates though, because I've seen nightmares at LaGuardia and the nightmares at JFK. And then all of a sudden it was like I was okay, you know,

[Peter Rosenberg]

I know I was watching a video on the algorithm of some lady being like, this is my experience going to JFK during the blah, blah, blah. She shows up at 5am she's literally in the gate at 6am for her flight at 9:30. I was like, well, that's not exactly how I want to do it either. Hey, Laura, I feel like we need to get into the rundown.

[Laura Stylez]

Let's go.

[Peter Rosenberg]

In a moment.

[Styles P]

Okay.

[Peter Rosenberg]

But we do have something big to talk about before we get to the rundown.

[Laura Stylez]

Ah, yes, yes.

[Peter Rosenberg]

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[Laura Stylez]

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[Peter Rosenberg]

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[Laura Stylez]

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[Peter Rosenberg]

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[Laura Stylez]

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[Peter Rosenberg]

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[Laura Stylez]

Now listen, I know you guys. I don't know if I don't know about you all. All of my friends were trying to get those JC dicks.

[Styles P]

Oh my God.

[Laura Stylez]

Like Waiting, you know, he added a Sunday show I saw. So that was gone before. Before it literally went on sale.

[Peter Rosenberg]

That was very Jay Z, by the way, the adding the third show. Adding the third show. You know what? They just happened to have another open night the next night. Let's throw in another one.

[Laura Stylez]

Why not? It looks like we're popular, right?

[Peter Rosenberg]

I didn't expect these tickets to go like this.

[Laura Stylez]

Oh man, I hate the scalper so much. I hate them because the tickets are so nuts.

[Styles P]

I.

[Laura Stylez]

Everyone's hitting me up like, you got to plug. No plugs. Nobody has a plug. There is no plugs. Good luck.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I'm with you. I gotta say, I know this sounds crazy. Like I know how big a Jay Z show is.

[Eric Rosenthal]

Yeah.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I'm even a little taken aback by the level of hype for these shows. Like I knew it would be a big deal. But like as a non New Yorker who's been here for a long ass time. I remember all these anniversary shows. Like it got to a certain point. I used to make these jokes on the old show all the time about like the illmatic celebrations. I was like, all right, another illmatic celebration. So like with Jay anniversary concerts, like the Blueprint 10 was a huge deal, right? Yeah, yeah. Jay's had. When Barkley center opened, he did a two week run. Like so I guess props to Jay and I guess they figured it out and did it. In a way, the timing is just right because yes, the scalpers are going to be the ones who boost it and make it even crazier. Not that the tickets were a great price. Coming out of the gate, I believe on the floor was $1,000 to get on the floor at Yankee Stadium. So it was still a pricey ticket. But I did see that up top, at least there were hundred dollar tickets.

[Laura Stylez]

Where did you see that? Because I saw bleacher seats for 1,000.

[Peter Rosenberg]

They started. The original seats started up top were 100. Now granted, we're old and washed and to me, up top, even 500 feels insane.

[Styles P]

Dry cleaned.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah, but it's.

[Laura Stylez]

No, listen, they were like, what do you think of the Roots picnic? I was like, my back hurts. Like I can't handle that. Two days. I don't think I could do that. And reading the comments of people saying like, I wish there was just an opportunity to go see Jay with the Roots and go home. Can we have this before 9pm? I was crying because I was like, yeah, I feel you. I feel you.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah, but yeah, but now the problem is everyone wanted another option besides The Roots Picnic. And what they got was Yankees Stadium, which is going to be quintuple the price.

[Styles P]

Congratulations, you played.

[Peter Rosenberg]

So, like, I think the Roots Picnic is going to become appealing to people again.

[Styles P]

Wasn't Jay Z announced on a Roots Picnic?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yes.

[Eric Rosenthal]

Yeah.

[Peter Rosenberg]

So people were like, oh, Roots Picnic. But then they're like, ah, festival. Here comes Yankee Stadium. Perfect. I don't have to leave New York. My guess is, price wise, a lot of people are going to prefer to take the quick ride down to Philly and go to the Roots Picnic over that Yankee Stadium. Not that it'll be cheap, but it's got to be cheaper than Yankee Stadium.

[Eric Rosenthal]

But there's only so much, you know, space there. Right. Only so many people are going to be able to go to each event, so.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Right.

[Eric Rosenthal]

I think it is. I think it is nice that, like, after all this time, Jay can, like, still be the center of attention. Obviously. Like, Frazier had his interview with. With him yesterday, and. And jay was like, 20, 26 is all about offense.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Oh, I think. I think. I think we're going to talk about this.

[Laura Stylez]

We're going to jump into a couple clips of that interview.

[Eric Rosenthal]

Right on.

[Laura Stylez]

All right, so this is. Check this clip out right now. This is. I thought it was very interesting how they jump right into this subject right away. Here's Jay Z opening up about the sexual assault allegations.

[Jay Z]

Like, I was really heartbroken by, like, everything that occurred, you know, with all like, you know, we in a space now where it's just like, almost like consequence is not thought about enough. So everything is so instant, you know what I'm saying? Like, that whole Busby, the civil lawsuit

[Peter Rosenberg]

that was dropped, dismissed, that took a lot out of it.

[Jay Z]

I was angry. I haven't been that angry in a long time. Uncontrollable anger. Like, you don't put that on someone. Like, that's the thing that you better be super sure. It used to be like that. Like, you have to be super sure before you put those kind of things on a person. Let's see a person like me. Like, even when we were doing worse things, we were doing bad. We had those kind of rules. There was a line, no women, no kids. You know, you hear those sayings. But those are things that I took from the street. You know, morals, integrity, code, code. Those things I took. Cause we lived and died by that. So it's strict for me. Like, it meant a lot to me. I took that really hard. And I knew that we was gonna walk through that. We was gonna walk through that because you know, first of all, it's not true. And the truth is, you know, at the end of the day, it still

[Laura Stylez]

reigns supreme if you really think about it. Guys, remember when all of this came out how ridiculous the allegation was?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Oh, the story was absolutely nuts. And I just remember the reason Jay has. I understand the uncontrollable anger about it is, as you guys know, like we live in a world right now where if something gets said once, twice, there's a certain segment of the population now that's gonna say that every time. Yeah, and I know it. Cuz we see it in the comments.

[Styles P]

Cuz yeah, I get that shit all the time. Like, think I support Trump. I hate the whole government. It's like, yo, you love Trump. Nah, I fucking don't. I hate the whole entire government.

[Peter Rosenberg]

And for us, we big up Jay, when we obviously were a bunch of, you know, Jay nut huggers up on this show, like most hip hop fans. And when Jay comes up, they're like, ah, your guy, another Weinstein, another Epstein.

[Laura Stylez]

I'm like, no, we're bought and paid for. Big bags of cash that arrive at my doorstep.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Did you read, did you read, like, did y' all read the allegation?

[Eric Rosenthal]

The dates don't make sense.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Nothing.

[Laura Stylez]

Her dad came out and said, I don't remember any of this. Cause remember she claimed that her dad picked her up after she called him and he drove I don't know how many hours. And he was like, yeah, I don't remember any of this.

[Peter Rosenberg]

And I guarantee you right now, if I were to look in the chat right now, I guarantee there are going to be people saying we're covering up. And listen, I'm not saying Jay Z isn't infallible. Jay Z's had his share of mistakes. We know many people know Jay Z's mistakes that have happened.

[Laura Stylez]

Yes.

[Peter Rosenberg]

This accusation, the timeline of it, of that this guy, when he was just getting hot in like 98, 99, was just going to white parties with Diddy and, and going in, it was just, it was nuts. And the timing of it all with the Diddy thing, when that came out, it made people were hypersensitive about it even more.

[Eric Rosenthal]

So the idea of how people just are looking for that next person to tear down and facts do not matter in this day and age is extremely troubling.

[Peter Rosenberg]

So yeah, I'm sure it was.

[Styles P]

I didn't even look into none of that shit.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah, it wasn't.

[Styles P]

I think this is what. Because most people are, people are going to look into things and people don't feel good about themselves, so they rather just fucking tear somebody else down and listen to some shit and have a miserable day.

[Laura Stylez]

Yeah, like, the facts just don't matter. You can prove, you can show, and they're just like, no, I lying. Cover up.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I don't know if we're gonna get into this clip. There's another clip that he talked about with re in regards to the Drake and Kendrick, which we're gonna get to.

[Laura Stylez]

Yeah.

[Peter Rosenberg]

But he specifically says this one thing about, like, the conversation around these things because of social media. It's not like they happen here and there. It's constant. It's an everyday conversation that really, like, changes people's belief systems. Yeah.

[Eric Rosenthal]

It's fan culture and all that.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah.

[Eric Rosenthal]

But I just want to take a quick second and shout out Fraser Tharp from GQ who did the interview. Because, like, Jay has to get to a place where he's comfortable enough and, like, has a perspective as the, you know, adult, fully grown adult dad, married man, you know, billionaire that he is, he's gotten to a place where he can have this type of conversation. But Frazier is also the type of guy who put in the work to get that conversation from Jay, who doesn't do interviews.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Well, he built. I mean, Frasier's built his way step by step now for the last decade or whatever it is to get to this spot.

[Eric Rosenthal]

Incredible job.

[Peter Rosenberg]

It's a crowning for someone who is a hip hop journalist, of which there aren't a lot left. Frazier works step by step to get there, and this is a day where he's getting his flowers. I ignored my text when I wrote him yesterday, but it's okay. I don't follow him, right? No, go ahead. Listen, it was a big day here.

[Laura Stylez]

Let's get into another clip of the interview. This is Jay Z talking about allegedly picking Kendrick over Drake in the battle.

[Peter Rosenberg]

People made it a personal thing that you chose Kendrick for the Super Bowl. It's like, oh, man, he's choosing the

[Styles P]

side and he's putting.

[Jay Z]

And he's not like, I don't have. What do I have to do with that? I chose the guy that was having a monster year. I think it was the right choice. It wasn't in some sort of alliance to a battle.

[Styles P]

Yeah.

[Jay Z]

What I care about them two guys battling. Like, what's that got to do with me? Have at it. Have fun. It's almost like not on just me, by the way. They drag everybody in it. Like everyone's part of this conspiracy to undermine Drake, I guess. But, like, what the. Like, what? I'm Jay Z Or do respect him? Oh, dude. Respectfully. Or like, for what? For to what end?

[Styles P]

Yeah.

[Jay Z]

It couldn't be that these guys just don't like each other.

[Styles P]

Yeah.

[Jay Z]

And I think they haven't liked each other for a long time before you

[Peter Rosenberg]

had anything to do with it.

[Jay Z]

Yeah, for a while.

[Eric Rosenthal]

Yeah.

[Jay Z]

I think this has been brewing just like me and Nas was brewing.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah.

[Jay Z]

It didn't happen at the summer jam. That happened the lexing, TV sets, the minimum, whatever. It was a whole bunch of stuff leading up to that point.

[Laura Stylez]

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[Eric Rosenthal]

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[Peter Rosenberg]

Speaking of the Drake and the Kendrick, I want to hear what he had to say about the battle, specifically, because I thought this was the most interesting thing to maybe talk about with styles, because this was, from a hip hop standpoint, a very interesting thought from Jay about the battle in general.

[Laura Stylez]

Okay.

[Jay Z]

We love the excitement and I love the. The sparring and the music you get. But in this day and age, it's so much negative stuff that comes with it that you almost wish it didn't happen.

[Styles P]

Really?

[Jay Z]

Yeah. Because it's almost like it's a final thing now. People that like Kendrick hate Drake.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah.

[Jay Z]

No matter what he makes, no matter what he says. And it goes far, too. It's like attack on his character and his thing and his. And it's like. I don't know if I love that. Yeah.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah.

[Jay Z]

I don't know if it's helpful to our growth. Where the fallout lands, especially on, like, you know, on social media, which takes place every day.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah.

[Jay Z]

And now you have these pods of cult.

[Styles P]

The Stan armies fight.

[Jay Z]

Yeah. And it's like, it's Too far.

[Styles P]

Yeah.

[Jay Z]

It's like bringing people, kids in it. Yeah. And it's like, I don't like that. You know, maybe I've grown in a space that is probably, you know, I sound like the old guy wagging the thing. But I think we can achieve the same thing as far as like sparring with music, with collaborations, more so than breaking the whole thing apart.

[Peter Rosenberg]

And he said right after that, he's like, I hate that I'm saying this. Like, I hate that I'm the person saying this, but this is how I feel now. I'm just curious, sp, as a guy who's been involved in your. Your share of hip hop related things over the years, do you agree with that sentiment that maybe this idea of battling being a part of hip hop culture isn't necessarily needed at this point? And also, can you curse less? Because the El Army's very upset about the amount of cursing this morning.

[Styles P]

I apologize.

[Peter Rosenberg]

And then you went on an F bomb broad.

[Styles P]

I'm sorry, I get hype. ELR thought I could curse, but I apologize. I feel both ways about it. Honestly, I totally understand what he's saying. I feel both ways because I feel the non competitiveness is what fucked up hip hop in the first place.

[Peter Rosenberg]

You made it one sentence. You made it literally one sentence. All right. You felt the competitiveness is what messed up hip hop?

[Styles P]

I felt, yeah. I felt people not competing with each other. Messed up hip hop.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Okay.

[Styles P]

And being friends with each other. And it took, it kind of took the sting out for, I would say, most of the 2000s.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Okay.

[Styles P]

So it's like you get in a, in a, you get in a booth, you're supposed to want to be better than the person that's there. Doesn't matter who, who it is. And I felt rappers became too friendly. I felt the battle put something back for emceeing, like as far as those who really want to play with words. But I do feel like social media just makes everything too negative afterwards and things go too far. Like before it even got down to just Drake and Kendrick, right when, when J. Cole was in it and he bowed out gracefully, someone asked me how I felt and I said, well, there's two different feelings. Me, as me involved in health, felt there was a great decision for him. I understand that that's where his mental was. Always take care of your mental first. Always put that first. But the MC in me was like, fudgesicles. What the fudge sickles is happening here? You know what I mean? So it's a line. But I think, yeah, today's. It's the media. I hate to say it. It's the media and the fans on

[Peter Rosenberg]

top that make things media, including social media now too.

[Styles P]

All of it.

[Laura Stylez]

Yeah, that's because that's really what it is. Like, one thing that you said will. Will turn or one tweet will turn into an article and that's considered news.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Well, and this is. This is a key piece in the. In the Drake Kendrick. Because I remember having this experience. You were paid in invalidation hits to even comment on it. Every post I put up about Drake and Kendrick went crazy. So if I. Because it was so active and probably paid for by different entities that I don't even have. I'm not even accusing anything. I'm just saying based on the numbers that I saw of like retweets and action, it felt unusual, like being negative and toxic in some way or just weighing in on it with an opinion. It just kept furthering it more and more. And I really always felt this way. And listen, I've never discussed this part of it with anyone over at tde, but like, I do maintain that the pedophile part of that thing sent it to a place that it was kind of listen. Well, both Drake did it too. Drake really went there with the. Drake had. Drake is a habitual line stepper. And when Drake decided to talk about a man's family first, that will send a moral man to doing things that are questionable with their morality because of how affected you are by the talking about your family. So now we're gonna go into pedophilia, bruh. That's where I really feel Jay, like, is this what hip hop needs? And now we're talking and he says that we're talking families, we're talking pedophile. Like, is. Is this ultimately a win? But I also feel you about. It got people talking about lyrics and analyzing rhymes and like, there was a good thing there too. It just got so nasty.

[Styles P]

It just got far, but really just got. It just went really far. But that's what's going to happen with social media, with everything now. Everything's going to go really far. And so it's a. It's a, you know, it's out one. I hated to see them at that position because here's where I feel odd. Once you're that powerful and that strong, you don't really need to feed into that. That's like early. That's early in the game when you, you know, you're not really sure of yourself. And, you know, I felt they were both too successful to be drawn into that. But I felt it was really good for the culture because, I mean, for emceeing culture, because it got people back into. Instead of just. I don't even know most of the words in the songs I hear now.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Right.

[Styles P]

So I got back to the appreciation of people, actually.

[Peter Rosenberg]

People were writing, people were breaking it, they were doing think pieces on every

[Styles P]

line, which was very important. But that's why you got to praise J. Cole, I guess. He was smart enough to slide to the side.

[Peter Rosenberg]

It is a good point.

[Styles P]

You know, he was smart enough to slide to the side and probably have that mind state in that point of view to see where it was going to go beforehand instead and say, I'm going to slide out. So I guess what we're saying is if you're going to involve yourself in something, just know it's going to go far. And some things are good and some things are bad, but we got to know social media is going to probably

[Peter Rosenberg]

push it to the bed, push it to the bad. But I do overall feel. I feel what Jay's saying. And like I always. I do always wonder when it comes to. We always put. Hip hop always has different standards, you know, whether it's, oh, you're old, it's time to retire. Only a thing they say in hip hop. Nothing. Not a thing they say in classical, in rock and roll, in anywhere else, country doesn't matter. And it's the same thing with the competition part. Like the other genres, people don't have to have beef like every blue moon you'll have. You know, in the 90s you'd have a couple of rockers who like, didn't get along or prior to that. But it wasn't like an integral part of the culture, granted.

[Styles P]

And they didn't make diss records and

[Peter Rosenberg]

they didn't make diss records. But then you keep going back. As I think about how this whole thing unfolded, it really was like between first person shooter and the Metro record. It was fine. It was fine. And then Drake responded to the Metro future. Shit. It's hard to have and it went crazy.

[Styles P]

It's hard to go to war or have a fight and pull punches like that. I think most people don't really. I understand. I agree with you. It went far on both sides.

[Peter Rosenberg]

But you've done it slickly before, where you're not going all the way there before.

[Eric Rosenthal]

Social media before.

[Laura Stylez]

Yeah, that's key.

[Styles P]

Yeah. Because you have. You got to understand that these are These are celebrities. These are two entities that are in their mind. I'm the best. I'm the best. They was built to clash. That that was going to happen either way. Those three were built to clash. Like, somebody has to establish 1A, 1B, and 1C. And then I gotta probably keep going back and forth because that's how the crowd is. But when you're in that state as an emcee, it's literally. He's in his head going, all right, he threw that punch. I threw this punch. You know what? Let me end this fight. There's no one in your head besides you. Like, you know what I mean? So when he's creating what he's creating, it's like, you know what? Screw this dude. Fudge Sickles this dude. You know? I'm going to take him out. I'm going to say what I got to say because. Because now you're a war mode. It's like, if you. If we get into a fight, you're not gonna think, let me halfway punch Styles in the face. Like, let me punch him in the face and really hard, right? As hard as possible, actually. Let me punch him in the face

[Peter Rosenberg]

hard, a lot and fast.

[Styles P]

And to get this over with, I

[Peter Rosenberg]

want to end it. I don't want to fight.

[Styles P]

That's the mentality that they went in with. So when you go in with that mentality, he didn't go in with that mentality. And think about the repercussions. Okay, here's the repercussions. Here's where it's gonna go. No, we're at war. We're going to war. I'm gonna end this. Then it gets too far. That's the same thing that happens in real life.

[Peter Rosenberg]

But y' all remember when. When.

[Styles P]

Well, hold on. Yeah, let's think about this. Because media does blow up everything.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Okay?

[Styles P]

This happens in real life with everybody in this room. It's happened to you. Not in the sense of a diss record, but my old lady said this, or you said vice versa. Well, I said something that went too far.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Right?

[Styles P]

This is what a person you love and live with.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Great point.

[Styles P]

And, dude, like, we all possess the capability and have said things that once think about you and your old lady. Well, I said that.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I definitely shouldn't say that.

[Styles P]

I was in the moment. I was in my head, and I said this, and that's how it went. But these are now some.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I was trying to end it. I was trying to. I thought I could win the battle with that one line.

[Styles P]

Now that's the same thing that happened on a grand scheme.

[Peter Rosenberg]

It's a great point. It's a great point.

[Eric Rosenthal]

If there was only a podcast about validation that could just sort of, you know.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I'm really glad you brought that up. It's coming soon now. And also on the last thing on that battle, the thing about family, right? Because that's been a thing that bothers me too. Like, I've gotten into it with people online, and here they come talking about family, and I'm like, bro, there used to be lines. And it's not just arbitrary to say that. I remember very distinctly. I'm curious if you three feel the same way. One of the reasons people hated Super Ugly is because they didn't like where Jay went with Nas about the baby mom and the seat and the car seat. Everyone collectively, even in hip hop ish talking was like, nah, bro, nah. And as a result, Super Ugly was basically stricken from the record. It's like that song didn't even come out. Everyone's like, nah. Ether was cool. Takeover was cool. Y' all did your thing. After that, it got nasty. We're not interested. That's not where we are anymore.

[Styles P]

Because you know why? Those was genuine fan bases in a culture invested in something that happened. Not. Not people. Fake invested. Not people. Not people associated with. Invested.

[Laura Stylez]

Yeah.

[Styles P]

Not people. Coffee table talk. Water fountain talk that doesn't even really know about Drake or Kendrick invested. So you was dealing with different things at a different time. So it's a genuine. Nah. We didn't like that. We didn't feel that. This one is not so genuine. This is a guy who's like, well, well, we love it and this and that.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Hey, so what do you think about Drake and Kendrick, bro?

[Styles P]

You didn't even buy Kendrick's album ever. You don't even know any Kendrick songs. Right, right. But now you're with Kendrick. He's the best. This and that. Like, this is what.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Oh, and Drake fans, you just like to party to Drake's music. Now you hate Kendrick Lamar.

[Jay Z]

Yeah.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Really? You were just doing hookah and listening to Drake.

[Styles P]

You weren't some super fan, you know?

[Laura Stylez]

All right, I feel you on that, though, because I think at least Jay fans were criticizing Jay with love, but that doesn't exist anymore with the fandom that you said. There is no more guys. It's just picking sides.

[Eric Rosenthal]

That's it.

[Laura Stylez]

That's it. They don't care. They don't criticize anything. They're like, well, maybe she shouldn't have done that.

[Eric Rosenthal]

Right.

[Laura Stylez]

I love her, but none of that.

[Styles P]

You got people who have fan bases that attack people for saying the wrong thing.

[Laura Stylez]

So you just got to people, like, get them fired.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah, it's wild.

[Laura Stylez]

Yeah, I've seen it.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah, it's messed up. And I'm trying to find the guru intro drop. Is it on a different page, Grif?

[Styles P]

Must be.

[Peter Rosenberg]

How do I get to a different page? Oh, I scroll down. Here we go. He has more down here. Oh, I see the family.

[Laura Stylez]

Ah, here we go.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Hey, yo.

[Styles P]

It's time for the gurus. Rosenberg.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Laura, you know you are a beautiful queen.

[Styles P]

Ebro, don't ever play yourself. You're not a guru.

[Laura Stylez]

All right, TheOriginal Gurus. Gmail.com TheOriginalGurus Gmail.com that's where you write to us.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I still maintain that the guru new guru music sounds like a Disney theme. It sounds like the beginning of Lion King.

[Styles P]

It does.

[Laura Stylez]

All right, Rosenberg. Who's out there? Who's writing to us? Who needs us? Who needs advice?

[Peter Rosenberg]

TheOriginalGurusmail.com Send us your emails on any of your relationship issues and we will get to you. And today we have the help of Eric and Styles P of two Jews, three black dudes. Let's go. Dear gurus, love and appreciate y' all and so happy with the new format. I need some advice, friends. My husband and I have been married for five years. Second marriage for us both. I have no children and he has a 17 year old son who lives with us. For context, I'm a first generation Latina. My husband is Jamaican. His son's mom is black in the islands. She's not involved at all. We have unsuccessfully tried to have children, experiencing multiple miscarriages. This is important because I wonder if it contributes to my feelings. We're both extremely hard workers and a bit direct. My stepson is not. Lately he started lying more and more about ridiculous things, from turning in major assignments to being honest about whether or not he did his chores. I'm struggling with his lack of focus and dishonesty and just general attitude because it wasn't there before. We were actually really close and now it's hard for me to be around him. He's becoming argumentative and sarcastic and I can't deal. I've tried having a heart to heart with him. So has my husband, but it's not working. I'm trying to guide him through school since his dad didn't grow up here and doesn't know and I'm constantly ignored. Is this a teenage boy? Thing I didn't grow up with brothers, so I don't know. Please give me some words of wisdom because talking and grounding him isn't working. Or is it me and my chaotic hormone, since I've literally spent the better half of the last two years pregnant, sincerely trying to raise a boy who doesn't think he needs anyone, parentheses his words. Well, first of all, I just want to say you have gone through a lot over the last couple of years.

[Laura Stylez]

Yes. Like you. A big virtual hug.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah. Just. Just the fact that you said you spent the better part of two years pregnant and you don't have a. A viable pregnancy and child, that is incredibly hard. And we love you and send you our love. So that's a lot of blessings and love. And I hope. I hope that whatever you guys do, whatever works for you and that you end up happy one way or the other.

[Laura Stylez]

Yes.

[Peter Rosenberg]

But I don't know. I never.

[Laura Stylez]

I mean, you guys were all teenage boys once.

[Styles P]

Yeah, I would say. I would say teenage boys are definitely difficult to deal with, especially if he was dealing with hormones and going through what she was going through and the situation. But I will also say to her, pat yourself on the back. You've been doing a great job. It's his feelings, not yours. He's. He's probably in dealing with trauma and stress of his mom not being in his life and not really knowing how to react to that. So his bitterness or snappiness back to her, not wanting to connect with her probably comes from the lack of relationship that he has with his mother. So try to understand that trauma is probably pushing him. He's teenage. He has hormones, he has trauma.

[Peter Rosenberg]

He's changing as well.

[Styles P]

He's changing as well. So you guys, you know, just take it day by day. And now here's what you don't want to do.

[Peter Rosenberg]

What you don't want to do is to Stiles point, he may have a thing in him that you're not my real mom. Thing may be there because he's bitter. Not because he doesn't love you, but because he's bitter. What you don't want to fall victim to is allow that to trigger you to where somewhere in your brain you go, well, you're not my son. Anyway, fight through that. He is your son. You are raising him that you do love him. Don't allow that to subconsciously in your brain go, well, I hope you find your mom then, you know, fight through that and keep loving on him as hard as that.

[Styles P]

He'll appreciate it later. He'll appreciate it later, sis. Blessings to you. He'll get it. And he will. You know, everything happens for a reason. And God ain't gonna put too much on your back that you can't carry. So stay strong, Stay prayed up and. Yeah, best wishes.

[Laura Stylez]

And maybe lean on the husband. You know what I mean? Try to talk to him, let him know what he's going through. Because maybe at this point, point in his life, maybe he really just needs his dad. You know, his dad might be confused about certain things, but she. That's where she can come in and break it down. Like, breaking down how the school system works and be like, I'm here for you if you need me.

[Styles P]

And probably. She should probably really considerate consider that as a teenage boy, he'd probably give his mom a hard time.

[Laura Stylez]

Yeah.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Right.

[Styles P]

So her not being there.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah. It may not be just that it's you.

[Styles P]

It's not. I don't. I don't think it's you. I think it's him.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah. This is just what it is.

[Styles P]

You know, you just got to bear with it.

[Peter Rosenberg]

And Eric hasn't weighed in here, but I think he believes that one thing that might help is spending some time with two Jews and three black dudes. You know what I mean?

[Eric Rosenthal]

I think you don't have to go the Kendrick and Drake way. You could just go the J. Cole way. Right. But when it comes to two Jews and three black dudes, we do this every week. We talk about movies, we talk about life. We talk about, like, the world, but all through the lens of Jadakiss, styles, P. Chic loots, Jeff and myself. And we're going to be at the Bell house in Brooklyn live on stage on April 16. The show is like, none other tickets are available, limited tickets. Because they've been selling crazy. Limited tickets are [e-mail] right now. And definitely tune in if you're interested in, you know, the Devil Wears Prada or Superfly or Juice or, you know, field of Dreams, which is Peter's favorite episode.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I do love that episode.

[Styles P]

I think we got to add a third show here. We're about to add a third show, by the way.

[Eric Rosenthal]

Third show.

[Styles P]

We only have a second show.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Oh, the Jay Z style.

[Styles P]

Yeah.

[Eric Rosenthal]

Extra innings.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Now, when am I. What movie am I going to get the call for? I did an interview with your brother.

[Eric Rosenthal]

Yes.

[Peter Rosenberg]

In which I gave him a lot of valuable insight on my love of film.

[Eric Rosenthal]

For the newsletter sign up at 2j3bd

[Peter Rosenberg]

substack.com it was actually A fantastic interview.

[Eric Rosenthal]

Yep.

[Peter Rosenberg]

By the way, how did you decide that? When I said we only have room in our studio because we have. We have four mics currently set up. Right. I said one Jew, one black, dude.

[Eric Rosenthal]

Yeah.

[Peter Rosenberg]

How did we land on this combo? Besides the fact that Styles is the most apt to get up and get out. I know that.

[Eric Rosenthal]

And I'm the most apt to get up.

[Peter Rosenberg]

That was it.

[Eric Rosenthal]

Yeah.

[Styles P]

Got the two most apps.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Well, anyways, to the. To the email. We do wish you the best and we love you. So say the gurus.

[Laura Stylez]

So say the gurus. Thank you, guys. It's been such a pleasure. Right?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah. This was a. This is a very cool experience.

[Styles P]

Yeah.

[Eric Rosenthal]

Thank you guys for having us. Congratulations on the new gig.

[Laura Stylez]

Thank you.

[Eric Rosenthal]

It is really like, truly. I wake up every morning, I have my Kiss Cafe coffee, by the way, and I. I turn on.

[Peter Rosenberg]

You don't have juices for life in the morning.

[Styles P]

I would have.

[Eric Rosenthal]

I would have to go there, you know?

[Peter Rosenberg]

God, I understand.

[Eric Rosenthal]

But real, real talk. I tune in every morning and I appreciate what you guys bring to the table. It is must watch viewing.

[Laura Stylez]

Thank you. I just want you to let you know that your CMOS capsules have saved me.

[Styles P]

Oh, thank you.

[Laura Stylez]

Because I was. I was one that was like, I can't do it. I can't do it.

[Styles P]

Save me for the stomach too. CMOS with the bladder acts.

[Laura Stylez]

Even though, oh, we gotta talk.

[Styles P]

Not just probiotic prebiotics.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Wow.

[Laura Stylez]

Yes, yes, yes.

[Peter Rosenberg]

You said Bladderax.

[Styles P]

Yes. We got CMOs with bladder acts at pharmacy for life.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yo, Bladderax talk, folks.

[Laura Stylez]

Thank you, guys.

[Eric Rosenthal]

Thank you, guys.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Now, Laura, before we actually end this thing though, today's Patreon day.

[Laura Stylez]

Ah, that is right.

[Peter Rosenberg]

So a couple of things. Number one, there's a big exclusive merch update on Patreon today.

[Laura Stylez]

There is.

[Peter Rosenberg]

And number two, we have news for our patrons. This is very exciting. This just came about. We didn't even know this was gonna happen. Shouts to our guy, Jason Peters, who did the work to get this done. But now, incredible included with your Patreon subscription. Is it every show, Griff?

[Laura Stylez]

Yeah.

[Peter Rosenberg]

And is it every day? Like every day it'll get uploaded. So listen to this. So from now on, if you are a patron, you can get every day show ad free. So no ads whatsoever for all of our patrons. So if you get sick of the interruptions on YouTube and all of that stuff and you want to be able to just enjoy the show ad free, that is now a perk for. For our patrons over on our elr. Patreon page.

[Laura Stylez]

Amazing.

[Peter Rosenberg]

So we appreciate you. E will be on the program from LA tomorrow. Two Jews, three black dudes. Thank you guys so much.

[Eric Rosenthal]

Thank you, guys.

[Styles P]

Don't call in the podcast.

[Laura Stylez]

This is the powerful new single from Daughtry. It's called Antidote.

[Styles P]

With a runaway train going off the tractor looking by it's hard to watch the poison take control when you don't have the.