87.) Keeping It Real On Michael Jackson Movie + Iran At It Again! (4/28/26)

Summary

The Ebro, Laura & Rosenberg Show – Episode 87

"Keeping It Real On Michael Jackson Movie + Iran At It Again!"

Date: April 28, 2026
Hosts: Ebro Darden, Peter Rosenberg (Laura on leave)

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Overview

This episode balances cultural commentary and current events, with heartfelt real talk about mourning in the wake of Lady Shell’s passing, escalating global tensions (notably with Iran), America’s shifting politics, and a lively deep dive into the Michael Jackson biopic – with sharp, signature banter and debate throughout.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Mourning & Lady Shell’s Passing (01:25–03:10)

• Laura Stylez is absent as she copes with the death of Lady Shell (Tony Touch’s stepdaughter).
• The hosts reflect on how grief is unique for everyone:
  • Ebro: “There’s no right or wrong way to mourn. I guess the wrong way would be to try to ignore. But…for some people that's their best bet.” (02:50)
  • The challenges of supporting someone through grief – no timeline, no rules.
• Shoutout to the DJ community and Lady Shell’s family.

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2. The Jimmy Kimmel–Trump Fallout & Conservative Rhetoric (03:10–06:52)

• Discussion around Jimmy Kimmel’s joke about Melania Trump and the ensuing controversy, especially after an alleged assassination attempt on Trump.
  • Rosenberg: “They're very big on the left needs to tone down their rhetoric about Trump…In other words, they don’t want people to be critical of Trump.” (04:15)
  • Ebro: “The right is the party of anger, vitriol, negativity, chaos...not doing anything about gun violence, full stop. Zero.” (04:43)
• Spin & Distraction: The hosts express frustration with political spin, especially from the MAGA movement, which they accuse of “every accusation is a confession” (06:27).
• The cyclic nature of outrage and news cycles; how distraction serves political goals and the avoidance of core issues (i.e., gun violence).

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3. Michael Jackson Movie & Biopic Talk (06:37, 52:53–64:17)

• Initial Thoughts:
  • The hosts tease a Patreon deep-dive but cover main impressions.
  • Rosenberg: "Big fan of the Michael movie. To me, it delivered on all counts—everything I was looking for." (59:45)
  • Ebro: “I had zero expectations. None other than I knew Jafar [Jackson] was going to be awesome.” (60:50)
• Origins of “Annie, are you okay?” (57:57–59:05)
  • Story from Matt F. Forger (Jackson’s engineer):
    The line refers to the “Resuscitation Annie” CPR mannequin – students are taught to say, “Annie, are you okay?” during training.
• Jackson–Diana Ross Rumor (61:40–63:51)
  • Forger details Jackson’s relationship with Diana Ross, including a secret engagement and the inspiration behind “Dirty Diana.”
  • Musical legacies and their problematic/racy elements (“Dirty Diana”, “PYT”).
• Movie Critique:
  • Both hosts agree the film leans positive — “It's a biopic. It's not a biography… it can't be perfect in a 2-hour movie.”
  • Concerns over omitted/delicate topics: “If you're going to keep going [with a sequel], you got to get into some serious stuff—it's weirdo behavior...don't use the movie as a reason to know now that it's not true.” (67:12–68:26)
  • Audience is cautioned not to conflate the film’s warmth with exoneration.

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4. Relationships in the Headlines: Meg Thee Stallion & Klay Thompson (07:52–13:56)

• Recap of social media fallout from Meg Thee Stallion and Klay Thompson’s breakup and critique of “parasocial” fan perspectives:
  • Rosenberg: "We cracked jokes...but people act like you...don't support Megan, bruh. We supported Megan when it mattered…" (08:29)
  • Discuss the challenge of public breakups, rumor mill ("$700,000/month? Viral rumors.”), and hasty judgments.
  • Gender dynamics, communication, and how the public interprets celebrities' lives.

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5. Clip Economy & Online Culture (14:45–16:19)

• The “clip economy” – shows and creators now depend on shareable clips for visibility.
  • Rosenberg: “We have made it into the get clipped...We're now part of feeding the clip economy.” (15:16)
• Gatekeeping vs. sharing content online; “bad etiquette” if you don’t promote your faves in today’s culture.

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6. MAGA & Cultural Complicity: Nelly, Woke Ginger & Political Performances (19:20–23:17)

• Play and discuss a viral “Woke Ginger” IG clip about Nelly’s performances for MAGA events.
  • Ebro: “What’s going on with the current administration and the white supremacy they align with...is not enough for him to draw a line.” (21:56)
  • Arguments about art, money, and complicity: do musicians performing for political causes “sell out” if they claim “I’m only here for the check”?
• Rosenberg: "When you go do all of these events and collect money from them, that is being complicit with what their agenda is." (21:42)

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7. The Iran Situation & U.S. Deporting Migrants to Congo (23:18–29:12)

• In-depth talk on the U.S. sending Latin American migrants to Congo as a deterrence measure.
  • Rosenberg: “You know how scary that would be?...It's scary enough to leave your country...then you get snatched up and [sent to] Kinshasa?” (24:08)
  • Also touches on U.S. military overreach, dependency deals with developing nations, and the cruel calculus for migrants (“language barrier is going to be tough...Spanish to French is a tough putt.”).
  • The move is criticized as intentionally cruel and ineffective: “They want to send migrants as far away as possible to deter other people from even trying.” (28:52)

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8. Political Realignment, Israel, and Global Affairs (31:15–48:54)

• Political loyalty tied to race and finance:
  • Rosenberg recounts a white, right-leaning friend voting Trump for the first time in 2024, motivated entirely by economic reasons.
  • Ebro: "So that means...you saw all this stuff happen and…in 2024, a woman who happened to be black was too far." (32:43)
• Israel/Palestine:
  • Conversation with a Jewish friend who accuses Ebro of “one dimensional takes” on Israel.
  • Israeli and Palestinian perspectives, high standards, historical baggage, and the impossibility of “resolving” generational conflicts overnight.
  • Ebro: “With great power comes great responsibility, and you botched it.” (39:55)
  • Both agree that U.S. and Israeli policies often fall short of their stated ideals; comparison to America’s own self-image and international role.
  • Rosenberg: “There's too much bloodlust. This government is too driven by their desire to actually harm and kill people, they don’t ever even know when to stop.” (45:55)

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9. America’s War/Posture & the Futility of Endless Defense Budgets (48:15–50:04)

• Discussion of the U.S.’s 800 global military bases and military budget outstripping its rivals but achieving little.
  • Ebro: "…these manufacturers of weapons are price gouging us into oblivion…Why are we spending all this money if we can’t punk Iran?...and you can't punk China..." (49:10)
  • Rosenberg: "They don't have anything and you can't punk [them]…Unless they wanted to go to a really large-scale thing, which...is a scary thought." (50:04)
• Violence as (false) path to peace; critiques of political and cultural addiction to conflict.

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10. The Weekly Rundown: Pop Culture & Music News (51:10–57:00)

• Beyoncé's Instagram hints: Possible Act 3 of her Renaissance era and Met Gala speculation.
  • Ebro: “When you’re Beyoncé and you don’t post a lot, any post is a speculation of something.” (54:44)
• Jam Master Jay Murder Update: Federal guilty plea for his 2002 murderer after 24 years.
  • Rosenberg: “That’s 25 years ago...People are dealing with the legal ramifications for decades.” (56:11)
• A Different World Reboot: Method Man to play a coach.
• Michael Jackson Movie Sequel Greenlit: Future biopic installment to address later, more controversial years.

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11. Audience Q&A & "The Gurus" (68:45–76:35)

Highlighted Relationship Letter (69:53–74:43)

• A listener struggles between leaving a long-term (but tumultuous) relationship for his own well-being vs. staying for the son he’s helped raise.
  • Ebro: “It sounds like he continually puts himself second...He’s gotta grow a spine to deliver on whatever his dreams are.” (72:24)
  • Rosenberg: “You don’t want to be with this girl, and you love her son. The question for you is, is this girl capable of you having a role in her son’s life after a breakup?” (71:27)
• Advice: If mature, communicate the desire to remain in the child’s life while separating from the mother.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On weaponized outrage: “Every accusation is a confession.”
• On public breakups:
  • Rosenberg on Meg Thee Stallion split: “We supported Megan when it mattered.”
• On global migration cruelty:
  • Rosenberg: “You know how far that flight is, bro?” (on migrants sent to Congo)
• On U.S./Israel:
  • Ebro: “I think America sucks. Israel sucks...why are we acting like that's not something we can have a con[versation] about?” (39:38)
• On violence as peace:
  • Ebro: “People think more violence will bring peace…people aren’t bright, bro.” (46:30)
• On Michael Jackson biopic:
  • Ebro: "It's a biopic, it's not a biography. It's not a 400-page biography..." (60:07)
  • Rosenberg: "To me, that is such an incredible part of the movie. The live performances are done so well." (60:16)
• On Michael vs. Prince vs. Drake:
  • Ebro: “That Michael list of greatest hits, not even Drake can see it.” (75:47)
  • Rosenberg: “Biggest hitmaker of all time in rap. But he ain’t passing Mike though.” (76:15)

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Timestamps of Important Segments

• [01:25] Mourning Lady Shell & dealing with grief
• [03:10] Jimmy Kimmel/Trump/Melania joke fallout
• [06:37] Michael Jackson biopic intro
• [19:20] "Woke Ginger" on Nelly's MAGA ties
• [23:18] U.S. deporting migrants to Congo
• [31:15] Voting Trump, economics, and shifting politics
• [36:14] Talks with friends about Israel/Palestine
• [46:30] Violence, peace, and personal/cultural trauma
• [48:15] U.S. military budget critique
• [51:10] Rundown of Beyoncé/Met Gala, Jam Master Jay, etc.
• [57:57] Michael Jackson: CPR mannequin story
• [59:45] Michael Jackson movie “review”
• [61:40] Michael and Diana Ross rumor
• [67:07] Discussion of Michael Jackson biopic’s omissions/legacy
• [68:45] "The Gurus" advice segment—relationships & fatherhood

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Tone & Style

Conversational, direct, sometimes irreverent—but with earnest moments and deep cultural reference. Ebro and Rosenberg poke fun at themselves and at the world (“Congratulations, you played yourself!”), cut through spin, and encourage nuanced, critically-minded takes on pop culture and politics.

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For Further Listening

• Full Michael Jackson Movie Breakdown: Check their Patreon for deeper analysis.
• Join the Conversation: Subscribe, comment, and send letters for “Gurus” advice.

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Transcript

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[Ebro]

Just don't call it a podcast. The EO Laura Rosenberg show. Oh, oh, oh, oh. Ebro and Rosenberg. Laura Styles taking some much needed time. We talked about that yesterday. RIP Lady Shell services we will have with the family on Friday. So people still, you know, navigating mourning. Such a hard thing to do because everybody does it so different.

[Rosenberg]

Yeah, I mean, I'm totally guessing, but I just can't. It's hard for me to picture us seeing Laura this week. I think at the best we'd hope for next week. But this journey's going beyond next week. This is.

[Ebro]

It's a long one. It's a long one. Lady Shell's only 41, bro.

[Rosenberg]

Yeah, this is gonna be a long time. I saw yesterday Toni Touch. Her stepdad posted about her. Not everybody knew that Tony Touch was her stepdad and that, you know, his biological children are like her siblings.

[Ebro]

That's right.

[Rosenberg]

But he put up a really gut wrenching post yesterday and talked some about her falling in love with DJing, you know, so yeah, man, gonna be morning, man.

[Ebro]

It's gonna be a journey. And you know, like we talked yesterday, you gotta just do your best with it. There's no right or wrong way to mourn. I guess maybe I would say the wrong way would be to try to ignore Right. If I was gonna. But, you know, hey, even that for some people is their best bet.

[Rosenberg]

Yeah.

[Ebro]

Depending on how much pain they're dealing with, you know what I'm saying? Or the tools that they've developed over time to navigate it. On today's show, a lot of talk about Jimmy Kimmel. A lot of talk about him losing his job. Again, a lot of talk about his terrible joke. Some say. I don't think it was that bad because Trump is old and Melania does come off like she's preparing to be a widow.

[Rosenberg]

Yeah, well, it had nothing to do with what happened. When did he make the joke?

[Ebro]

He made the joke. What's today? Today is. It was Friday. His last. It was Friday. The. The alleged assassination attempt was Sunday, Saturday or Saturday. And then Melania starts tweeting, I guess Sunday, going at Kimmel.

[Rosenberg]

So. So they're probably. Did anyone jump to the. Oh, he probably knew something was gonna happen. Did they go there?

[Ebro]

I didn't see that. So I can't verify that claim, but I'm sure there's somebody in the cuz.

[Rosenberg]

Otherwise. What are they suggesting that he. Oh, it's the. Oh, I forgot. That's what I saw. They're very big on the left. Needs to tone down their rhetoric about Trump because it's leading to people wanting to commit violent acts. Congratulations. In other words, they don't want people to be critical of Trump. You shouldn't be critical of Trump.

[Ebro]

I'm not. I'm not participating in this spin they're attempting to do.

[Rosenberg]

Really? Why? It sounds so reasonable.

[Ebro]

Well, no, because the right is the party of anger, vitriol, negativity, chaos, emotional destabilization, ridicule, arm violence, and all of that. And not doing anything about gun violence, full stop. Zero.

[Rosenberg]

Yep.

[Ebro]

So Jimmy Kimmel has been very open and passionate for years about gun control, gun violence in America and how it's tearing us up. So trying to act like Kimmel was wishing some sort of violent harm on the president is ridiculous. And anybody thinking that, you get, congratulations, you played yourself. Yeah.

[Rosenberg]

Seen this movie before. It's boring.

[Ebro]

And you got a new movie and you know this. The same group of people in the MAGA movement, continually spinning, distracting at every turn, man. Every time you turn around, it's a new distraction. Have you finished Figured out the war in Iran?

[Rosenberg]

I don't think they have. I missed the news yesterday.

[Ebro]

You're not Doing your job. President of the United States, Donald Trump.

[Rosenberg]

No, no, no. So they're going to keep spinning this thing again over and over again. And remember, as we always point out, whatever they say other people are doing is actually what they're doing.

[Ebro]

Every accusation is a confession.

[Rosenberg]

So the, so the rhetoric, the actual dangerous rhetoric we know is actually coming from them.

[Ebro]

We've seen it, we've seen it for years, man, this is such a ridiculous thing. But it's going to take over the news cycle as you guys enter your day to day. Still a lot of conversation also out here around the Michael Jackson movie, which we didn't get to yesterday on the show.

[Rosenberg]

Yes.

[Ebro]

But we will get into it this week on the Patreon.

[Rosenberg]

Well, we should still get into it on the, on the free program, shouldn't we?

[Ebro]

I mean, we can. Absolutely.

[Rosenberg]

I mean, because what else are you going to do? We're going to, we can spend our time analyzing the.

[Ebro]

What about Harry Styles and Zoe Kravitz engaged. You want to delve deep into that?

[Rosenberg]

I don't have a lot to say about that except, you know, congrats, Harry Styles. It's a big. That. See that? That's a W to me. I'm a big Zoe Kravitz guy.

[Ebro]

There you go. He seems like a nice person, that Zoe Kravitz.

[Rosenberg]

Yeah.

[Ebro]

Young lady.

[Rosenberg]

Yeah.

[Ebro]

Very accomplished in her own regard.

[Rosenberg]

Yeah. And also, you know, very well based on her mom, the direction she's going is very positive.

[Ebro]

This is a longer dad too. Yeah.

[Rosenberg]

And her dad.

[Ebro]

Your dad's like 60 something 4.

[Rosenberg]

It's crazy. The Runway here is fantastic.

[Ebro]

Yeah, she's got. Her DNA. Is gonna hold up.

[Rosenberg]

Well, no, it's really. And apparently the rock is the, the ring is, not surprisingly, rather large. I don't know if you know this. Harry Styles done well for himself.

[Ebro]

You know, speaking of our relationships, our, our conversation on Megan, thee Stallion and Klay Thompson was moving around yesterday. Did you see it?

[Rosenberg]

I saw a couple like, you know, Megan sycophants getting angry saying that we're, we were anti Megan.

[Ebro]

And I was exactly about to ask you this. Did you gather that from our combo? Did anybody in here gather?

[Rosenberg]

I mean, we made some jokes that. We made some jokes and had some conversation that pushed back on the idea that just because she's Megan the Stallion, that means the guy has to be the luckiest guy ever and must want to stay in relationship.

[Ebro]

Right, Right.

[Rosenberg]

And we talk some about how Klay Thompson would have other options because he is, he's not some random scrub she found on the side of the road. But honestly, this is why I hate that people don't know your whole hit. Like this show's history. After our run through the whole real issues of Megan Thee Stallion to then have us cracking jokes about like her six month relationship breaking up. And people act like you are. You can't. You don't support Megan, bruh. We supported Megan when it actually mattered, this relationship. In all seriousness, it doesn't sound that serious.

[Ebro]

They tried. It felt like they were shaping it up for that. It didn't. It didn't land. They couldn't land.

[Rosenberg]

They couldn't land.

[Ebro]

And that's common.

[Rosenberg]

It's not even a year. I mean, it sounds like. And yes, I pointed out that I don't understand the need to describe every bit that happened on ig.

[Ebro]

How dare you talk about how people use their social media.

[Rosenberg]

No, people came for me. Like, oh, we. We know everything about you.

[Ebro]

Oh, man, we know your dog, we

[Rosenberg]

know your wife, we know your baby.

[Ebro]

Listen, make a good point.

[Rosenberg]

Yeah. But guess what? When my marriage fell to shit, you didn't know about that. Cause who on their right mind goes, I am going through incredible heartache.

[Matt F. Forger]

Let me detail.

[Ebro]

Well, no, I think you're proving your own point. It may not have been incredible hard work.

[Rosenberg]

Maybe you're right. Ah, see what you did?

[Ebro]

You know what I mean? Good point. It was light. It was six months.

[Rosenberg]

Right.

[Ebro]

She wanted to get out in front of it, which we said yesterday, which was kind of like, hey, we put a lot of our thing out in six months. It was moving fast. It was Thanksgiving, it was this, it was that, it was great. Ah, that's a good point.

[Rosenberg]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. So let me help you finish the story. Cause we made it a public story.

[Ebro]

Yeah. And.

[Rosenberg]

And it was kind of, let's also be real. It's not. It's not ending that clean, but the whole thing itself was a pretty nice PR thing for both of them.

[Ebro]

Well, as of her post, it's clean. She said what?

[Rosenberg]

She said clean for her. Yeah.

[Ebro]

It doesn't. I don't. Well, no, I don't think he feels like he needs to, but she said

[Rosenberg]

no, she said you're. You're dangerous. Mood, not dangerous. What was the word for the mood swings?

[Ebro]

Mood swings. Just mood swings.

[Rosenberg]

It was just mood swings.

[Ebro]

Yeah, your mutes. Mood swings. I don't think she called his mood swings dangerous.

[Rosenberg]

Not dangerous. No. I thought there was another word that made it.

[Ebro]

No, no, no, no, no. I don't. I Don't recall that. But I. I will say this, and people may not be looking at it this way. Women often ask men to communicate based on what Megan Thee stallion wrote on her IG post. Clay communicated.

[Rosenberg]

That's what it seemed like.

[Ebro]

Now, he may have cheated first, but it wasn't like he didn't communicate. According to what she posted, she said the man said he's not sure he could do the monogamous thing. And so she was like, now, yeah,

[Rosenberg]

now you can't be monogamous. But she also said cheating.

[Ebro]

But that's what I mean. He might have did it out of order.

[Rosenberg]

Well, yeah, you can't do that.

[Ebro]

Can't do that.

[Rosenberg]

Can't cheat and go, you know what I was thinking? I can't be monogamy now that you caught me cheating. I don't think monogamy is the right fit.

[Ebro]

Not gonna work. It's not gonna work.

[Rosenberg]

But again. But again, to the newness of the relationship. Maybe he just didn't care. Like, it wasn't that deep.

[Ebro]

Is there a possibility that the whole Klay Thompson thing is a swindle? He just wanted to bag and tag a joint, Played the game, you know, all right, fine, I'll play the social media game. You wanna act like, all right, cool. You wanna play house? All right, cool. But people did point out that they bought a house together.

[Rosenberg]

They bought a house.

[Ebro]

That's what the Internet was saying yesterday about.

[Rosenberg]

He gave her $700,000. Was that real? She asked for it monthly or something. Is that.

[Ebro]

Is that. I don't know if that's real. I don't know.

[Rosenberg]

Can we get any sort of fact check on that? Because that was moving around that he. He said that he was giving her $700,000 a month, which would mean. That's not g.

[Ebro]

I can't condone that type of tricky viral rumors. And it was horrible mood swings. Horrible mood. See, it's not dangerous.

[Rosenberg]

But there was.

[Ebro]

There was an adjective.

[Rosenberg]

Yeah, an adjective. That's a big adjective.

[Ebro]

Big adjective.

[Rosenberg]

Yeah. Horrible is actually. That's. Yeah, that's a lot of use you're giving that word.

[Ebro]

That is.

[Rosenberg]

It says viral rumors. Yes, it's rumors.

[Ebro]

Yeah. I'm not. I don't know that.

[Rosenberg]

That can't. I don't know that. By the way. That wouldn't even make sense from a salary standpoint. After taxes, he's given half his salary. Basically.

[Ebro]

Yeah.

[Rosenberg]

Or like, close to it. Nah, nah, nah, nah. That's. Now everyone's going too far, but Megan then put out Something today.

[Ebro]

Oh, she's still on it. Well, I wanted. She had a standing ovation at the Moulin Rouge. No, but that's came back. Big standing O.

[Rosenberg]

But she put out a statement about. She said Hadi's. My last performance as Ziddler in Moulin rouge will be May 1. It's been such an honor to be part of the Moulin Rouge family. And I met so many amazing people in this theater. Y' all work so hard, and I have so much respect for the dedication, stamina, the work ethic at the time and the effort y' all put into the work. So grateful. Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. But yeah, she's out May 1st.

[Ebro]

There you go. It was a good run. That Broadway stuff is tough. What did you say there, Griffin? Supposed to be the 17th of May.

[Rosenberg]

Yes.

[Ebro]

She's okay. Dipping out a little bit early. Now, should we be doing the rundown or. We should save that for Laura Styles. I mean, cuz that was Rundown esque. Even though we covered it yesterday. It was the big story yesterday.

[Rosenberg]

Yeah. There was one other thing I had in my mind too, but we.

[Ebro]

I got some things that may just be rundown worthy.

[Rosenberg]

So we hit the rundown music.

[Ebro]

We'll hit the rundown soon. Soon. Come listen. Please subscribe and like, man. And like, share.

[Rosenberg]

I'm not getting this. I'm not getting the sense that the sharing. I feel like people are saying, this is my routine. I don't want to share my routine with others.

[Ebro]

Oh, you feel like people are being selfish with our love?

[Rosenberg]

Yeah, I feel like they're. I feel like they're like, I want to hold it and they're blocking a little bit. They're gatekeeping.

[Ebro]

Oh, gosh. Can't gatekeep.

[Rosenberg]

You can't get. Not in this era, no.

[Ebro]

So not in this area. Seen as bad on social media. So if you're new to the YouTube platforms, you know, because there are a lot of our people who are like, yo, I don't really do this YouTube Patreon thing, but I'm gonna do it with y'. All. And you know, they're having a good time with it. It's new to them. And we appreciate being the reason that you tried something new in your life.

[Rosenberg]

Yes.

[Ebro]

But I just gotta let you know, on these platforms, you can't gatekeep. That scene is bad. It's bad etiquette.

[Rosenberg]

Well, no, and in our specific case, bad for the growth of the show. We need you to. We need you to spread. Share, like, comment. Do all the Things you can. Because the haters gonna comment. We have made it. We. For better or for worse, we have made it into the get clipped.

[Ebro]

Well, you know, we are. We're in a. What do they call a clip economy or whatever they say. Yeah, we're.

[Rosenberg]

And we're feeding. We're now part of feeding the clip economy.

[Ebro]

But that's good because that means we're doing a good job, I think.

[Rosenberg]

Well, it also feeds the show if you.

[Ebro]

Well, no, yes.

[Rosenberg]

Need that. We need people pay to get clipped.

[Ebro]

No, they do.

[Rosenberg]

Like the big ones, like. Like cats. Like, I heard there are guys like. Like neon. Like these. These What's. What a tool.

[Ebro]

You used to pay to clip somebody. Now you pay to get clip.

[Rosenberg]

Yeah, they paying hundreds of thousands to get clip.

[Ebro]

Yeah.

[Rosenberg]

Speaking. Which we never talked about in the show, did you guys see which one was it? It wasn't neon. Which of the big streamers got Molly whopped on TV last week walking down the street in New York.

[Ebro]

Oh, I saw that, but I never heard of that streamer before.

[Rosenberg]

Nah, he's a big one.

[Ebro]

He never heard of him.

[Rosenberg]

I forget what.

[Ebro]

But he. I saw he got drugged to the face. It was kind of a cheap shot, though.

[Rosenberg]

It was Sneako. He.

[Ebro]

Sneako, by the way.

[Rosenberg]

No, it was the right name. He got Sneako at all. Right. It was a cheap shot, though. It was like if you're gonna shoot the fair one with someone.

[Ebro]

But I saw the comments. People were very happy about it, so he must be a bad guy.

[Rosenberg]

Hold on. A lot of. You know, in this, again, in this economy, people, like, in the Internet economy we're in. Anyone. There's a lot of reasons to not like someone who wanted to get Molly.

[Ebro]

Yeah. Like, if I got. If y' all see me get shot on the street, they would love it.

[Rosenberg]

They'd love it.

[Ebro]

When you're unlike. When you're unlike. You know what I'm saying? Something happens, well, but they better land

[Rosenberg]

it clean because you're not sneako. I mean, unless. Unless you go down. The problem is, though, Ibro's got a lot working against him. So he's. You've got this, you know, size and athleticism. But let's say they hit you the right way and you go down and the knee hits. Now you got a problem. You gotta hope that adrenaline kicks in enough.

[Ebro]

Yeah.

[Rosenberg]

And then you might just be like, I'm tired. You might just stay down and go to sleep.

[Ebro]

I might be like, you know what? Let me go ahead and stay there.

[Rosenberg]

Yeah,

[Ebro]

this knee ain't feeling right. Stay down, man. Let's take a small AI break. How do you guys feel about that?

[Rosenberg]

I don't like it.

[Ebro]

You don't like where I'm going?

[Rosenberg]

Nope.

[Ebro]

What about Lego AI Iran?

[Rosenberg]

Oh, there's an update.

[Ebro]

A new heater dropped over.

[Rosenberg]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Ebro]

Y house dinner just went down.

[Rosenberg]

Had to control everything.

[Ebro]

Lmao. But did you drama still hit anyway, no comedians, no comedians. Snowflake ego so fragile, can't handle the smoke. Hired a mentalist so you don't get roasted, bro, control the whole show. You the only one to blame. No comedians, no comedians. Super fragile.

[Rosenberg]

Snowflake country going, going broke.

[Ebro]

Maga waking up, they see the joke. You control the video, but you don't control our rant before the meal. No food, no crumbs on the plate, Prices too high, Empty plates, political pie in the sky, shots fired. Whole place got swatted out. For change. Cover up, staging the whole scene. Every time your toes drop low, you pull the same scheme. No comedians, no comedians.

[Rosenberg]

You saw the video of that picture of Trump?

[Ebro]

Yeah. Wait behind the curtain. Cut these shorter 45 seconds.

[Rosenberg]

You got to talk to the people you're paying for.

[Ebro]

You think anybody in Iran watching the program, Y' all gotta tighten these records. I like to know comedians. Yeah. No comedians.

[Rosenberg]

That's a good hook. That's a good hook. It's interesting to me that they can't. The Lego anime. They're not able to even make a font as bad as the actual MAGA hat. That's better like that they have a better hat. Like that's actually a way worse.

[Ebro]

Funny, bro. Anyway, are you. While we're on the MAGA topic, do you guys. Have you guys heard of the woke ginger? On our Instagram, the woke ginger. You may have seen his face.

[Rosenberg]

It sounds like something you'd be into, but I don't know.

[Ebro]

Ebro's Algo clip to Rahsaan. Run that.

[Rosenberg]

Okay. The bro. The woke ginger.

[Ebro]

Yeah.

[Rosenberg]

Broke ginger.

[Ebro]

No, not broke.

[Rosenberg]

Woke ginger. All right, let's take a look.

[Ebro]

It's number two man on the sheet.

[Rosenberg]

Let's take a look at clip.

[Ebro]

Yo, we having a bad week.

[Woke Ginger]

If you thought Nicki Minaj is the only sellout when it comes to supporting maga, then you would be mistaken because Nelly is right up there with her. Last night, Nelly reportedly performed at the executive branch, which is a members only private club owned by Don Jr. And this is definitely not the first time that Nelly has been associated with maga. And Donald Trump, he originally came under fire for performing at Trump's inauguration in 2025. He even clarified that he didn't do it for Money. On Trump's 100th day in office, he called for positivity, saying that he's a glass half full kind of guy. Nelly, it's hard for many people to be positive right now when their rights are at stake. Nelly also took a dig at Kamala Harris for having a white husband. And believe it or not, that's not all. While Ludacris and other artists have dropped out, Nelly is continuing to perform at the MAGA Music festival this summer, headlined by Kid Rock. May be able to sell it to the public that you're not political by attending one of these things, but all of these things spells sell out.

[Ebro]

Oof.

[Rosenberg]

Well, you know, when the woke. When the woke, Ginger comes for you.

[Ebro]

You know what I mean?

[Rosenberg]

Got problems. Well, I mean, listen, he tried to distance himself just a tad when we had him on the show.

[Ebro]

Did he Like a tad?

[Rosenberg]

A tad.

[Ebro]

Griff is saying. Griff's calling Griff saying no.

[Rosenberg]

Well, distance himself from it being political. That's what he tried. Nah, I never said that. He did do that. He didn't say you.

[Ebro]

You goddamn right.

[Rosenberg]

I love Trump. He didn't do that. That would have been. He didn't own it. He tried to create some sort of like, nah, you're middle of the road. Yeah. And no, the way you asked a question made it sound. Nah, it's not like that. But like the world has told you their feelings. We believe that when you go do all of these events and collect money from them, that is being complicit with what their agenda is. And Nelly is clearly saying, yeah, I hear you. I'm gonna go ahead and cash these checks though. Like, do I believe he actually has a firm beliefs in maga? Who knows? I know he doesn't care about cashing the checks though.

[Ebro]

Right. What's going on with the current administration and the white supremacy they align with, the hate they align with in general. The defunding of so much of our institutions, safety nets and otherwise, is not enough for him to draw a line.

[Rosenberg]

Apparently not. Yeah, the, the like erasure of history in the country. Black history specifically.

[Ebro]

That's right.

[Rosenberg]

That. Yeah. That's not, I guess not doing.

[Ebro]

Hey, Nelly, congratulations. You plagues. So playing yourself.

[Rosenberg]

Yes. This isn't great. I wonder what Ashanti feels about this.

[Ebro]

Yeah, I wonder what Ashanti does feel. I said a while ago though, during that time when we had him up at the, at the old. At the old situation, I was thinking, like, he probably sees those people streaming his music a lot more than. It's probably very selfish for him. These people are still fans of my music. They're still asking to see me. They're paying me. Y' all ain't.

[Rosenberg]

I'm gonna take care of mine.

[Ebro]

I gotta take care of mine.

[Rosenberg]

Probably a lot of people see it that way, as we know, but this one's more direct. Cuz it's literally. We know it's for money. This isn't you going. They're getting a check. No, this is. He's very clearly getting a check.

[Ebro]

Yeah.

[Rosenberg]

Speaking of great things the Trump administration's doing. They sent. There's debate over how many Latin immigrants were sent there, but somewhere between 15 and 30 Latin migrants that. That made it to the US were snatched up, put in handcuffs, put on a plane, and while they were on the plane, were told, you're going to the Congo. Yeah. We know that you were escaping persecution and you tried to make it to the U.S. well, guess what? The U.S. made a deal with the Congo. And now these 30 migrants just get off a plane in Kinshasa and are in a hotel by the airport in Kinshasa, Congo.

[Ebro]

You know how far that is, bro?

[Rosenberg]

Bro? You know how scary? Like, it's scary enough to leave your country and find a way to make it to the US and then you get to the US and get snatched up and Ebro. The. The Congo has been in horrible conflict for a very long time. Correct. And still is.

[Ebro]

They. They have a. They have some problems over there that they're dealing with. Not in Kinshasa.

[Rosenberg]

No, no.

[Ebro]

But overall. Overall, yes, they have some. There's definitely been millions of people displaced and hundreds of thousands of people killed due to a lot of the conflicts and the guerrilla warfare with the corporations and all of these people over there stealing cobalt out of the ground.

[Rosenberg]

So people in the Congo with millions displaced who don't have the. They're not exactly thrilled at the prospect of immigrants from other countries showing up to their country. You think people are mad when immigrants.

[Ebro]

But that's Their government over there did this deal with the U.S. that's right.

[Rosenberg]

And now no one knows what's going to happen.

[Ebro]

Well, because also remember, these nations are. Many of them who need U.S. support and U.S. aid and whatever. They're not brave enough to tell the US no and risk whatever funding and financial support they can get from the United States.

[Rosenberg]

And now I did hear that the. The hotel that they have them living in is better than most situations and Kinshasa, but it still includes rats in their rooms, mosquitoes, et cetera, et cetera. It's not good.

[Ebro]

I'm still stuck on. This is real talk. That's why I'm still going to. You know how far of a flight that is, bro?

[Rosenberg]

No, it's so far, bro. Like the plane was still going.

[Ebro]

No, that's like 13 hours, bro.

[Rosenberg]

No, I know they're sitting like, where are we going?

[Ebro]

And it's 10 hours from New York to Ghana, which I've done.

[Rosenberg]

Yeah, this is probably Miami or I don't know where they.

[Ebro]

I don't know where. It doesn't. I'm just saying wherever it is, it's another at least two hours farther.

[Rosenberg]

Another one really far, man. You know how scary that would be. And they spoke, a few of them spoke to the.

[Ebro]

However, I know a lot of Congolese people and generally speaking, the ones I know, the nicest people you ever meet. So they could land there and people are very, very nice.

[Rosenberg]

Who knows?

[Ebro]

Like, it's not like that. I don't think they're in harm's way. I don't want. I don't think they're going to land. And it's like a war zone. I don't think that's what's going on now. Is it run down? And there's maybe in financial issues. Absolutely. Very nice people and great food and work opportunity, entrepreneurial work opportunity.

[Rosenberg]

I. I don't know if that's going to be what they're particularly.

[Ebro]

Well, I don't think that's how they're going to feel about it. I'm just saying I didn't want us to just, you know, take a dump straight on the Congo, like.

[Rosenberg]

No, but I think it has been a place that's been dealing with conflict and millions of people in strife fight a while.

[Ebro]

Yeah. But I once again, I think that's in the larger outskirts, not necessarily in Kinshasa. Well, but if you, if you are from Congo and you're watching the program, straighten us out in the comments.

[Rosenberg]

Yeah, let us know. I mean, maybe it's like a great place to show up and it's ideal for. For a migrant. I know that if I planned on going to the US And I lived in the Western hemisphere and you have a familiarity with the US just because you grew up in Latin America.

[Ebro]

No, no, no, it's not.

[Rosenberg]

No, it's not what you want.

[Ebro]

But also it's.

[Rosenberg]

They said they want to go back. They said, they said if we could choose yeah.

[Ebro]

Go back.

[Rosenberg]

We go back to our old country where we were scared, but we knew it. We don't know where we are.

[Ebro]

Yeah, for sure.

[Rosenberg]

It's scary.

[Ebro]

Makes sense.

[Rosenberg]

But to your point, maybe they'll have a pleasant surprise.

[Ebro]

The language barrier is going to be tough. I think they speak French in the Congo.

[Rosenberg]

That's right. Yep.

[Ebro]

Which isn't far from where these people.

[Rosenberg]

We don't. We know.

[Ebro]

We don't know where the.

[Rosenberg]

They didn't say exactly where.

[Ebro]

Got it. And I don't want to just assume they speak Spanish.

[Rosenberg]

I. I mean, it's a fairly safe assumption. It is Latin America. So you're at a 80% clip.

[Ebro]

Close, close. So, yeah, but getting from Spanish to French, tough putt. I remember. I'm asking anybody, any Spanish, French.

[Rosenberg]

I mean, the romance language is. Sure, sure. But still, it's gonna take a little work, you know?

[Ebro]

Yeah.

[Rosenberg]

Listen, I'm going to Italy in early June. I speak so little Portuguese. I'll let you know it works out.

[Ebro]

Portuguese to Italy is close.

[Rosenberg]

I got nothing.

[Ebro]

Griff says close. Jump.

[Rosenberg]

Spanish, Spanish, Italian, close. Close. Oh, yeah.

[Ebro]

Spanish to Italian.

[Rosenberg]

That's the closest one.

[Ebro]

Yeah. That's as close you get.

[Rosenberg]

Yeah.

[Ebro]

And I don't want people to think we're making light of the kidnapping of migrants by the United States government being sent.

[Rosenberg]

We're making light of the fact that you're trying to put a positive spin on something that's hard to pull. A positive.

[Ebro]

Well, no, it's not even what it is. It's just that everything is in shambles. Right. Right on purpose. They want to send migrants as far away as possible to deter other people from even trying.

[Rosenberg]

Yep. See what happened to them? They ended up going to Africa. Do you want to go to Africa? I thought you want to go to

[Ebro]

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[Ebro]

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[Rosenberg]

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[Ebro]

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[Ebro]

you work in construction, are you happy with the workers that you're able to find and work on the work sites? What about landscaping work? Is everyone getting the prices they want this spring and summer for your landscapers? Because guess who was doing a lot of that work?

[Rosenberg]

Migrants.

[Ebro]

Yeah. Yeah. So that's the trade off. And let me tell you what, like we knew it. The people complaining the most about migrants aren't the ones taking the jobs that the migrants used to have. Now are you?

[Rosenberg]

Now are you? Don't think so.

[Ebro]

Are you?

[Rosenberg]

It's going great though, man. No, it's going great.

[Ebro]

Everything's like America's great again. Yeah.

[Rosenberg]

Financially, the war, you know, if you

[Ebro]

like war, you're feeling great.

[Rosenberg]

Well, if you like war.

[Ebro]

Well, no, you said everything's going great, so I wanted to know if you feel great again.

[Rosenberg]

Yeah. And obviously they got the security stuff under control. I was able to talk to someone yesterday, so I have a friend in

[Ebro]

my life who I'm glad you're going here because I have a friend in my life.

[Rosenberg]

Is that a new segment?

[Ebro]

A friend of my life.

[Rosenberg]

A friend of my life. I have a friend of my life. Great guy.

[Ebro]

Yeah.

[Rosenberg]

Doesn't by his own admission. By his own admission, does not identify a lot with non white man issues. He's smart enough and, and aware enough to know that his viewpoint comes from a very white. Pretty sheltered life.

[Ebro]

I like it for him.

[Rosenberg]

So I appreciate that he can have an honest dialogue.

[Ebro]

Yeah.

[Rosenberg]

He's a right ish leaning person. Certainly not who I would describe as a Trumper in his ideology that I see espousing. But he did decide to pull the lever for Trump in 2024.

[Ebro]

Okay. How did you feel about it?

[Rosenberg]

Did not in 20. Did in 24.

[Ebro]

Let me hit him with something.

[Rosenberg]

Congratulations.

[Ebro]

I don't, I mean, what about 16?

[Rosenberg]

I feel like, I don't want to get this wrong, but I feel like 24 was the first time.

[Ebro]

So wait, that's extraordinary. So that means you saw all this stuff happen and in 2024, a woman who happened to be black was too far. And you were like, I'm gonna go with the guy whose resume looks like complete doo, doo, doo, doo.

[Rosenberg]

Now I will say he is one of these people who I don't fully understand and how. The only thing he talks about is financial stuff. It's all he talks about.

[Ebro]

And does he have a lot of finances?

[Rosenberg]

I mean, I don't want to get into his pocket.

[Ebro]

I would.

[Rosenberg]

I don't think he has enough to where it should be, what rules your life. But he watches CNBC all day, and he watches, you know, the Fox business.

[Ebro]

That's his thing.

[Rosenberg]

Anyways, I was curious to where yesterday would go when I saw him. And I went. Quite a movie we had on Saturday night. And it was interesting to see someone literally take it completely at face value. Like, why. And not to say he didn't have any points, because there. Because there are some. You and I were saying there's some gaps where it's hard to understand what the point would have been to what you were doing. He was like, well, why would they have wanted the manifesto to say the R word and the pedo and all that? What's the upside to that? Why would he have wanted that in the. And I'm like, I don't know. That part of the plot I don't fully understand yet. But I just can't take what happened at face value.

[Ebro]

Why would. Who want.

[Rosenberg]

If, in fact, it was a staged event on Saturday and you were gonna have this person and this whole thing.

[Ebro]

Because it gave Trump an opportunity to say this ridiculous.

[Rosenberg]

That's a crazy person.

[Ebro]

And discredit the whole thing like he did on 60 Minutes when he basically said, I knew you were gonna ask me that. That's. Of course you knew they were gonna ask you that. You know how you knew that? Because it's in the script.

[Rosenberg]

That's how I. That was my response, too. But it was fascinating to hear someone be able to still. I went, so. But seriously, this is the third time that something like this has happened. You don't. He was like, well, you know, Trump's a very divisive person. He obviously. People really hate him. There's a lot of. You know. But he doesn't see it beyond that. But it's not weird to you? People hated Obama, too. We know why, but they hated Obama. I don't remember there being near assassination. My dad was talking to me yesterday. My dad's like. He remembers the name of every near assassin ever from his life. Because every time it happened, it, like, stopped the world. I think he said that there was an assassination attempt, I believe, on Gerald Ford after he was president. That was a huge Hinckley who unsuccessfully shot Reagan.

[Ebro]

Yeah.

[Rosenberg]

Know his name still. He successfully shot him.

[Ebro]

Didn't kill Reagan.

[Rosenberg]

Here it's like, yo, we don't remember the name of the guy from Butler, Pennsylvania.

[Ebro]

I can't muster up enough energy to join into these. I just can't.

[Rosenberg]

What happened to the friend in your life?

[Ebro]

Oh, the friend of my life.

[Rosenberg]

Yeah.

[Ebro]

So I. The friend in my life I was texting with yesterday, I reached out to. Now, this friend of my life is born in Israel and lives here in the US and it's very. Just very pat. I mean, they were born in Israel. So very passionate about Israel. And yes, they're Jewish. My. Now, this is. Comes on the heels of Issa's aunt, who's also. Who's a Mizrahi Jewish person and also lives in Israel and worked for the UN In Israel and is actively, like, a person who takes people to tour Gaza and the west bank and, like, is very, like, pro Palestinian rights. Whatever, whatever.

[Rosenberg]

And in Israel.

[Ebro]

And in Israel doing this work in this climate right now, Issa's aunt. This is Issa's on real aunt. Nah. You know, black people. Black people. And so anyway, I have a friend in your life. In my life. And so yesterday I had reached out to the friend because, you know, he provides services that I needed to get done. I don't want to give too much information. I don't want to give too much information because it'll put out. It'll put out all his business. But he's. He's in the jewelry business.

[Rosenberg]

Okay.

[Ebro]

And so anyway, I needed to get something fixed. Piece of jewelry. And so I reached out to him. He's like, yeah, bring a buy that. And he was like, I thought you were hitting me to say something about Israel. Like, he wanted to get into it. He watches the show.

[Rosenberg]

Right, right. So he likes you.

[Ebro]

He's my guy, but he. But he likes young. He's our age, maybe younger. Okay, I'm gonna. Let me. Let me find the text. So I do.

[Rosenberg]

I know.

[Ebro]

I don't think.

[Rosenberg]

You know, I definitely know some people in the jewelry business who like us and don't agree with us. You, Josh, you know what? No, no, actually, I know them through my wife, but, yeah, same thing.

[Ebro]

Well, she's juiced.

[Rosenberg]

Yeah.

[Ebro]

Listen, guys. No, I hit him. I said, got an issue. And then I started to explain the the watch issue that I have.

[Rosenberg]

Okay.

[Ebro]

And then he goes, I assumed your issue was going to be your whack ass one dimensional takes on Israel, to be honest.

[Rosenberg]

Oh, he went away. He went heavy.

[Ebro]

Yeah, yeah. But this was after. We were like, you know, jokes. We were cracking jokes.

[Rosenberg]

Okay.

[Ebro]

And then I said, if Netanyahu and the government weren't so evil, maybe we would be able to have an actual convo about solutions. But they don't want that.

[Rosenberg]

It's a great response, in my opinion.

[Ebro]

And, oh, and also, I sent him the. One of the pics I sent him of the jewelry was blurry. And I said, maybe that's why the pictures are blurry. They're watching this text.

[Rosenberg]

Okay.

[Ebro]

And so then we started going back and back. But anyway, the reason I bring this up is because at a certain point in the convo, he. He starts talking about Israel's right to exist. And I was like, what are you talking about? He was like, well, I thought that's what you were talking about, Israel's right to exist. I was like, I never even said that. What do you. Why are you. Why are y' all so obsessed with this? Israel's right to exist?

[Rosenberg]

But you, but, you know, but you've seen that that's a thing. It's like a very baseline thing. It's a way to create an argument you can win.

[Ebro]

Yeah, but what are you talking about?

[Rosenberg]

It's that, though. It's. It's like your thoughts on Tucker Carlson, and you know what I'm saying, it's creating a thing to say when it's like, well, no one's arguing, really, that. But you're saying, but do they have a right to exist? Yeah, exists. What do you mean? You want to go back to the origin story?

[Ebro]

I don't know.

[Rosenberg]

Does America have a right to exist? What places. Show me the place that definitively had a, quote, right to exist when it started. I don't know, but it's there. So could we just deal with the fact that it's there and what's happening?

[Ebro]

Well, and then I had to start hitting him because then he was like, well, I thought that's what I was like, no, I'm talking about a terrible government. I was like, most people in Israel. I was like, I will know. I said, all people in Israel don't agree with the government. He was like, well, I just feel like, you know, people hold Israel to high standards and da, da, da, da. And I'm like, yeah, they do. Just like I hold America to high standards. I think America sucks. I think America sucks. Israel sucks. Like, why are we acting like that's not something we can have a con.

[Rosenberg]

Well, and they're best friends and allies, so holding them to the same thing makes perfect sense. And, and that was always the whole thing that was set up about Israel is it's the US's friend in the Middle East. They have the best tech, they have the best this, they have the doctors, they have. So yeah, there's been a high standard set there.

[Ebro]

Well, not only that, with great power comes great responsibility. And you botched it. You botched it. Look at the whole thing. You are botching it.

[Rosenberg]

Correct. Look at how you're being viewed in the world. Look at what has happened in Gaza, look at what's happening in Lebanon. You cannot argue to this is going bad. Whether you despise Israel or whether you have deep love for Israel or somewhere in the middle. It's not going great, Bob.

[Ebro]

Not good, man. It's not.

[Rosenberg]

Did you reach any?

[Ebro]

No, I just love it. I mean, we kept going back and forth. I started talking to him, I was like, I was like, yo, you want to be honest while Israel sits up here and yes, currently has neighbors that don't like them. You know why that is? It's because of Europeans that wanted Jews out of Europe and Americans that didn't want Jews to come to America. So they created a space over there.

[Rosenberg]

And I know where they'll be safe. Put them right there. Let them steal those other people's spots, then they'll be really popular. Seems like a great idea. Oh, perfect. There are already these Jews that are obsessed with that idea. We'll run with that. Yeah, I didn't realize that at the time, and I just saw this recently, that there were Jews actively at the time were like, I don't want to do this Israel thing. Yeah, this doesn't feel safe.

[Ebro]

But by the way, that's been a thing for like since the beginning.

[Rosenberg]

Yeah, this doesn't feel like a safe place to put us. I.

[Ebro]

Well, and then there's. My mom used to talk about this. There was always a lack of trust, like, why are we trusting Americans? Why are we trusting the British?

[Rosenberg]

They've never done anything wrong. Either the British or the Americans, they're always on the up and up. Someone, someone wrote in the comments, y' all have weird friends. No, we have diverse friends. Cuz when you work in the world and you go out and meet people, you got all kinds of friends, man. And there are actually people who you may staunchly See things completely different than. But that doesn't mean I have no love for them. It's like, I don't know. And you have to understand this issue is so personal to a lot of people. Because I think for a lot of people, this issue has become an online and now a real issue to them. Like they viewed it and it now is. Like it affects them and they see it a certain way. I think it's hard for those people to understand that for a large swath of people of different kinds, both Middle Eastern people, Arab people, Jewish people, Israeli people, this is as years and years and years of baggage and teaching and all kinds of stuff you can just say, like you expect someone to drop any sort of Zionist thoughts they ever had in their brain. That's easy to say when you never had one taught to you. It is a real different thing when it was in your house and imagine the stuff that you had in your church and in your house and everywhere you went. And then one day you come to this realization that you're starting to see that it crumble. Going all the way to the point of it's a complete and total lie. I've been lied to my entire life. You can act like that's easy because it's not about you and you're online.

[Ebro]

No, everybody's got one of those.

[Rosenberg]

We all do.

[Ebro]

And. And by the way, if you don't have one of those, you haven't. You.

[Rosenberg]

Then you just haven't discovered it.

[Ebro]

Well, you haven't been critically thinking, Right. Probably you haven't been critically thinking. And it's interesting you say that because in this conversation I was having yesterday, and we get into the weeds and I'm talking about Europeans and what Europeans have, how they've harmed you.

[Rosenberg]

Sounds like a regular era.

[Ebro]

And all of that kind of stuff, right. Having this conversation simultaneously. Right. Like you have people who are being pulled back into the Catholic Church.

[Rosenberg]

What do you mean?

[Ebro]

Because they love the Pope so much.

[Rosenberg]

Oh, really?

[Ebro]

Remember, because 10 years ago, 15 years ago, sex abuse, you know, the cardinals, all of the. I mean, they paid out mid Catholic churches, paid out millions and millions and millions and millions of dollars. And now you have this cool Pope and people are like, you know, this Pope's great.

[Rosenberg]

Yeah. And now you start to see some of the positive things you liked about Catholicism from your life. Perhaps.

[Ebro]

For some.

[Rosenberg]

For some.

[Ebro]

For some. It's gonna be very hard for people to navigate this next 10 years, 15 years. It's gonna be very hard. You know, fortunately, a lot of people have Short term memory. And if Israel gets a leader and the United States gets a leader that can attempt to make sense of it all and figure out a way. What. What forward looks like.

[Rosenberg]

If My if was a spliff, that's a big if. But, yeah, I suppose it could happen.

[Ebro]

I mean, but what happens? Like, you guys think it, like, they're just gonna build giant buildings on top of dead bodies and God's gonna be like, oh, yeah, the beachfront property, and boom, It's.

[Rosenberg]

No, I don't know. I mean, I don't see that being a possibility. I see the opposite of something horrible being a possibility, something really bad happening to Israel. Like, I just don't. That's what I worry about. I don't think a world happens where they manage to pull off, like, the Jared Kushner dream, and it just becomes like, beachfront properties, everyone's happy in Israel while just going as extreme right wing as they can. I don't see it happening. I don't see it working. I don't see it. I could be wrong, but I just don't see that happening. And there's too much bloodlust. This government is too driven by their desire to actually harm and kill people, so they don't ever even know when to stop. You know, they had. They. They could have. You know, even if October 7th was all the things we've suggested it was, and there was nefarious things going on or was allowed to happen, there's still so many ways it could have been handled, where it could have been. And I know this sounds very crass to say, but it could, and it is very crass. But it's. It's real realistic. It could have been used in a positive PR way for Israel to help its standing in the world. But they wanted to kill too much. They wanted to get after it. They spent no time trying to build any sort of understanding in the community. Then it was like, we'll start bombing. Just don't do a ground invasion. Couldn't resist. Have to have a ground invasion. Have to keep going. And this is what happens with a lot of countries, a lot of the people who want to get in charge. What's Pete Hegseth's goal with the War Department? They're out here. They want to use these.

[Ebro]

They want a holy war.

[Rosenberg]

Yeah. They want to get this thing cracking.

[Ebro]

No, they want. They want it.

[Rosenberg]

That. That's. I think they'll be disappointed if they

[Ebro]

don't get wild, too, that people think that more violence brings peace.

[Rosenberg]

Oh, yeah. One Day we'll have the true war that brings peace. You know it's always happened, right? People aren't bright, bro.

[Ebro]

No. And people have mental health issues.

[Rosenberg]

They're not bright and they have mental health issues.

[Ebro]

People need to go get checked out. Like, why are you. Why are. And sometimes people don't. Like you're saying they don't know that they are too far gone. You are so accustomed to fighting, you believe that the only way you feel safe is violence. Like that's a thing. Because if you've just been in and around violence all the time, and I'm saying this on a small level where it's in your home and there's people just yelling all the time, going at each other all the time. When it's quiet, you're almost like this doesn't feel safe or normal or peaceful. Or peaceful. Because you don't know what peace actually is. It's kind of like somebody who doesn't know what love actually is.

[Rosenberg]

Right.

[Ebro]

Like you think you're being loved because you're arguing and breaking up every 30 days. And then he comes back and he comes back and he's cheating his flowers and this and that. And you think that's love because maybe that's what you saw or you didn't see love at all. And you're just like, you found something that you got comfortable with. But a lot of that is dysfunctional, problematic. And we have full cultures that are built on that. They don't know how to not be at war. They don't know how to not be problematic. We live in one America. We don't know how to not be problematic. Our entire culture. We have 800 US bases around the world.

[Rosenberg]

That's it. Just 800.

[Ebro]

Just 800. Think about that. We export our whole. That's why we spend so much money on our defense budget. You wonder why we're not investing in schools or investing in each other. We're spending money on military bases and military equipment constantly.

[Rosenberg]

You could, you could. The number that Coleman McCarthy used to always tell was like, you could take the top.

[Ebro]

That's your man.

[Rosenberg]

Yeah, my guy.

[Ebro]

Peace man.

[Rosenberg]

That's peace man. You could take the top. Like 18 or 20, quote rivals to the US and add up all of their military budget wouldn't equal our budget. We spend more than our 20 biggest foes combined.

[Ebro]

Please never forget, please never forget that in this Iran debacle we're in, Iran was flying five hundred dollar drones or something taking out our multimillion dollar equipment. And the drones were so small and accurate that they were able to maneuver around our things. And I think each one cost like, I'm not lying, I think it was like $1,000 and we were spending billions of dollars a day. And we have not solved anything. So all of that defense budget spending, I honestly believe that these manufacturers of weapons are price gouging us into oblivion, bro. Think about that. We couldn't punk Iran. Why are we spending all this money if we can't punk Iran? We definitely ain't punk in China. You ain't punking. No. If you couldn't punk Iran, who else you punking with all this big spending, bro?

[Rosenberg]

Right? That's so true. They don't have anything and you can't punk and you can't do that. And the scary thing. Yeah, but of course they, you know, unless they wanted to go to a really large scale thing, which. Which is a scary thought. That's always what scares me on the whole taco thing with Trump is that if one day he's like, I'm sick of this taco thing, I'm gonna make a point. I'm prove a point. Now most people say he won't do it because he cares about the global economy too much. But that does scare me.

[Ebro]

It should. It's very much should. All of it adds up to this. Congratulations, you played. That's where we're at right now. We're gonna get to the rundown. We gotta get to Michael Jackson talking. You got people in super chat. You're reading stuff.

[Rosenberg]

What are you reading? No, no, just. I'm reading the regular chat. We only had one. I only have one super chat today. And someone said BNA established 1988, said Trump probably consulted with TKO because it's giving WrestleMania 42 night one energy. Only thing missing was Pat McAfee as feature comedian. I guess. I guess he's feeling like. I guess the joke here is a lot of people did not like night one of WrestleMania and it felt incomplete and had the Pat McAfee story that randomly ended and no one quite understood what.

[Ebro]

I didn't hear anything about Pat McAfee after WrestleMania. You guys were so pissed going into WrestleMania.

[Rosenberg]

Well, they just sort of. They just sort of bailed on it. What do you mean he just sort of. He came out, he got.

[Ebro]

He had a shirt on. He had sleeves.

[Rosenberg]

Yeah, yeah. He wasn't. He wasn't wrestling.

[Ebro]

No. But he does his show with no sleeves.

[Rosenberg]

Oh, I don't remember if he. Yeah, I think he had a T shirt on.

[Ebro]

Okay.

[Rosenberg]

He's worn a T shirt. Jelly Roll took him out, hit him with an elbow through a table. Thought that was it. I was like, oh, they got rid of Pat before the match even started. Then Pat came out at the end of the match with a neck brace and a referee shirt on, which, I'm not gonna lie, was a very funny visual. And him running down the ramp with the neck brace and the ref shirt. But then Randy Orton RKO'd him. And now. So now they both beat up Pat and got rid of him. Like, what was the. They just bailed. They just moved on. I guess that was because I thought the point was Pat would help lead Randy Orton to victory. And now they take over in this evil. Because once they started, I'm like, all right, listen, I might be annoyed by it now. I want to see where you're going to go with it. Let's have Pat run roughshod over this whole thing. But he got taken out. And then he went on his show the following Monday and was like, I'm done with wwe. I'm done with. I'm done with wrestling. I've done my best. That's basically it. Very interesting. Hit the button if you want.

[Ebro]

I was actually going to hit this.

[Rosenberg]

Or got the rundown. Yeah, that's how a lot of people

[Ebro]

felt who was in this boardroom. Wwe. What are you guys doing over there?

[Rosenberg]

You want Ebro? You want to vote? You want to get in the conversation?

[Ebro]

Yeah, man, Put me on the board, man. You guys got to milk this stuff.

[Rosenberg]

People were very annoyed with the. With night one, night two, they were much happier. The Roman Cody of it all. I mean, the Roman Punk of it all, people were a lot happy with. But let's get to the rundown because we got to hit some Michael Jackson. There's Beyonce news.

[Ebro]

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[Rosenberg]

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[Ebro]

Prices may be higher for delivery. Well, Beyonce news. The man says she sparked an Act 3. Excuse me. Which is. Remember when we got Renaissance? That was act one.

[Rosenberg]

That's act one to you and me.

[Ebro]

That's right, Cowboy Carter.

[Rosenberg]

That's act two.

[Ebro]

Yes. And so act three, we've been kind of waiting on here. So there's speculation on that. And a Met Gala. Met the met gun. New IG post from Beyonce just ahead of the Met Gala 10th anniversary of Lemonade just happened. She hopped on the gram to let us know something. In a series of posts, Yonce showed off various images in the purple series. She was dressed in a purple dress.

[Rosenberg]

Yeah.

[Ebro]

Reminiscent of her famous flowing lemonade yellow dress.

[Rosenberg]

Yeah.

[Ebro]

And then it was an Eve Saint Laurent, part of the spring 2026 collection. I mean, her accessories. Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

[Rosenberg]

Yeah, I, you know, listen, I, I love, you know, how I feel about Beyonce, you know?

[Ebro]

Yes. You did a whole podcast. Cowboy Carter podcast.

[Rosenberg]

I'm late to the hive, but I'm here. I didn't understand this. I mean, I guess it did give lemonade vibes, but it really felt just like a random post, I guess. Beyonce, at this point, there is no random.

[Ebro]

Well, can't she just post on Instagram? Maybe she took some hot photos. She was like, I like these.

[Rosenberg]

That's to me, that's how it felt. And then some random sushi vibes in the middle.

[Ebro]

Listen, when you're Beyonce and you don't post a lot, any post is a speculation of something.

[Rosenberg]

See, you know, it's important to see. Like, now that I'm watching the chat all day, there was this one guy who said something sort of critical of me earlier and now I see him post again. Beyonce music is trash. And it's like, oh, sometimes I got to see multiple comments to know that the person talking is worthless. Why was I listening? Like, what? You have to remember that.

[Ebro]

I'm glad you're working on that.

[Rosenberg]

I'm trying day by day, real time. So, yeah, I don't know if that was real announcement of anything, but we'll see. When is the gal the gala?

[Ebro]

I don't know. Tell us when the day of the girl is. It's like, all I know is, mom, Donnie ain't going. May 4 round. The corner man pleads guilty to rolling Jam Master Jay's murder. Did you see this headline? Long time coming in justice of the Run DMC legend Jam Master J. Monday, federal prosecutors announced Jay Bryant pleaded guilty in federal court in Brooklyn to his role in Jam Master Jay's 2002.

[Rosenberg]

Isn't that crazy?

[Ebro]

It's also clear that that this person struck a deal of some sort.

[Rosenberg]

Yeah, I guess so.

[Ebro]

Why would you take this long?

[Rosenberg]

It's crazy, bro. That's 20, almost 25 years ago.

[Ebro]

That's 25 years ago to me and

[Rosenberg]

you and that crazy.

[Ebro]

There's someone right now who didn't even. Didn't even know Jam Master J was even. No, Jam Master J is.

[Rosenberg]

Oh, yeah, It's. It's one of the crazy things about, you know, horrible violent crimes is that the public can move on when these things happen. But a lot of times this happens. People are dealing with the legal ramifications for decades. No, it's crazy to try to get some sort of closure on stuff.

[Ebro]

Did you watch A Different World?

[Rosenberg]

Sure, of course I did.

[Ebro]

You're a fan. There's a reboot. Were you familiar?

[Rosenberg]

I. I saw the story. I saw the headline.

[Ebro]

Method man in the reboot, he will play coach Coles for season two. They just wrapped season one for season two. Excuse me. All right, all right. When do we get season one reboot?

[Rosenberg]

So they wrapped shooting the first season and they're doing a second season. Okay, well, that reminds. That also reminds me of the big story coming out of yesterday, which was that supposedly they have already greenlit a Michael sequel.

[Ebro]

That's right.

[Rosenberg]

So now. Now I'm very curious because for all the people who went, how. How did you just stop it there? Why did end in 1987? Apparently now it's going to continue. And I'm very curious about where they go. Cuz like now if you're gonna keep going, you got to get into some serious stuff.

[Ebro]

By the way. And it all gets bad from here. And pun intended.

[Rosenberg]

Wow.

[Ebro]

Speaking of bad, did you see this thing about Annie?

[Rosenberg]

I saw the clip you sent.

[Ebro]

It was interesting show the show clip.

[Rosenberg]

Interesting. Who is Annie? And is she really okay?

[Ebro]

Annie, are you okay? Are you okay? Annie?

[Narrator/Announcer]

She suffered a fate as is described in the song. She was brutally attacked. Annie is the name for. If you take a CPR class, the resuscitation Annie is the mannequin that you practice cpr. At one point, the brothers as a group, someone had the presence of mind of, you know, we should give everybody a CPR license. The principle of giving CPR is here is someone in distress. The first thing you need to do is evaluate. Are they breathing? Are they conscious? Can they respond? You go up to your subject, you say, annie, Annie, are you okay? Are you okay, Annie? But this is how Michael's mind worked is he starts with a hook. It starts with that chorus hook thing. And then he would flesh out a story that would fill in the verses of the song behind it. So it's kind of like it comes into Focus in different elements. Annie, the reason why he's saying that line is. That is the exact line you are taught to say in CPR class.

[Rosenberg]

Annie, are you okay? Yes. Resuscitation, Annie, is a real thing. We're going to do a Patreon.

[Ebro]

That man. I just wanted to be clear. That man that was talking with the gray hair, his name is Matt F. Forger. I can send you guys. He has pictures with him and Quincy, him and Michael of the on his IG page, which only has four posts.

[Rosenberg]

But he's an engineer.

[Ebro]

But yeah, he's an engineer or you know, someone behind the scenes working and was working on that Bad album

[Rosenberg]

from Thriller to Dangerous, but he was definitely

[Ebro]

working on Bad for sure. And by bad album, I don't mean it was not good, but you do

[Rosenberg]

feel that way somewhat.

[Ebro]

It wasn't great, but it wasn't bad.

[Rosenberg]

No. It's got joints on it. It's got joints. If you're not on Patreon. Ebro and I are doing a full hour Patreon on the Michael movie. But since, for those of you who are here and want to hear from us, I'm here to tell you, big fan of Michael the movie. To me, it delivered on all counts. Everything I was looking for, I got in the movie. Are there imperfect stories told?

[Ebro]

Sure.

[Rosenberg]

It's a biopic. It's not a biography. It's not a 400 page biography.

[Ebro]

Is it biopic or biopic?

[Rosenberg]

I say biopic.

[Ebro]

I think most people do, but I feel like there was a time when people used to say biopic.

[Rosenberg]

Either way, either works. I think. I think both are acceptable. I love the movie and I think the kid Jafar Jackson is so good. I saw a clip of Mike Myers, who's in the movie, talking about it yesterday and he was like, I got starstruck working with Jafar Jackson because I thought I was in a scene with Michael Jackson. Like that's how real it feels. And to me, that is such an incredible part of the movie. The live performances are done so well. Is it a. Is it a perfect story? No, I knew it wouldn't be because how could it be perfect in a two hour movie? But I loved it.

[Ebro]

I had zero expectations of the movie.

[Rosenberg]

Okay.

[Ebro]

None other than I knew Jafar was going to be awesome and I knew that he was going to deliver.

[Rosenberg]

It seemed pretty clear, like from the

[Ebro]

lead in I just the way everyone's acting. I know. I like Coleman d'. Amigo.

[Rosenberg]

Domingo.

[Ebro]

Domingo. I know. I like Nia Long Nialong. Don't do that. And I enjoyed the movie and Jazz and Issa enjoyed the movie. We're crying. It was great. But yeah, we have a great talk about a lot of the details of the movie on the Patreon, which will drop tomorrow.

[Rosenberg]

That's if you want to nerd out, like get into it detail by detail, Talk about the music they used, the things they left out, they didn't leave out. But overall, if you're a fan of the music and you want to like relive your childhood to some extent, it's just, it's just great. Shout out to bubbles too.

[Ebro]

Clip 11 There, Rahsaan, hit that for me.

[Rosenberg]

Yeah, we love bubbles.

[Matt F. Forger]

1969, Barry Gordy paired his new act, the Jackson 5, with his legendary did

[Ebro]

you guys know the story?

[Matt F. Forger]

She introduced the group to the world for their debut TV performance, again on her own TV special, and then promoted them throughout media. But they weren't particularly close until 1977 when 19 year old Michael and 33 year old Diana were cast as Scarecrow and Dorothy in the film adaptation of the Wiz. Now an adult, Diana began treating Michael as such. Once filming for the day was wrapped. They would attend parties, go to nightclubs like Studio 54. And there was actually a morning when Diana's assistant was calling around looking for her because she and Michael were hours late to set just to find out, she stayed a night at Michael's Sutton Place apartment. When they finally arrived on set, her assuming assistant asked Michael, did y', all,

[Ebro]

you know what's going on?

[Matt F. Forger]

To which he said, you gotta ask Diana. And though she didn't confirm that they did anything, she was overheard.

[Ebro]

Article that is.

[Matt F. Forger]

He definitely ain't got.

[Ebro]

I knew that you were gonna be a giant star. I really did.

[Rosenberg]

Well, thank you.

[Ebro]

Yeah, but I didn't know. What I didn't know is that you were gonna get so sexy.

[Matt F. Forger]

Diana was self conscious about how the media and fans would respond to her dating someone 14 years younger than her, specifically given she and Michael's history. So even though it seemed like they were in love, lust, whatever you want to call it, she was at times far more apprehensive about showing that publicly than he was. And this game was played for months until Michael finally proposed to Diana in the mid-80s and she said yes. Not only did she say yes, she put aside her fears of the public and began flaunting her engagement ring. Then, as she hoped wouldn't happen, the media began calling her out for robbing the cradle. And Katherine Jackson called for damn sure was not condoning the matrimony off the engagement and secretly began dating Norwegian businessman Arness. So he turned the music to release some steam with his 1988 song Dirty Diana. Now, the original version has zero innuendo, and you knew exactly who he was singing about, which is why when Quincy Jones heard it, he freaked out and urged Michael to please change the second verse, tone it down, and make it sound like he was singing about a groupie. But even that vengeful song didn't change the way he felt. It's about Diana long term. So as he secluded himself from the world, he also pushed Diana out.

[Rosenberg]

We got to get more into that on the Patreon. But I did not know the details. I really. And I was talking to Alan Hahn about it, my coach, who's 10 years older than me on ESPN yesterday, and he, like, remembered, you know, them having a relationship, the engagement, stuff like that. I don't remember. I did not realize it was like that. And it is pretty. That line when she's like, but I didn't know you get so sexy. That is weird. No way around it. That is weird.

[Ebro]

You weren't trying to be discreet enough. You was ready to ride, bruh.

[Rosenberg]

A picture. Like, I always take situations like that and apply it to your own life. If there was someone who you'd been adjacently friends with, but spent some time with them when they were 7 and you were like 21, and now you're

[Ebro]

in public going, I didn't know you was gonna get so sick. Sexy.

[Rosenberg]

I.

[Ebro]

You trying to hunt.

[Rosenberg]

Nice.

[Ebro]

It's humping going on.

[Rosenberg]

No, we lived in a weird time. It was the.

[Ebro]

Listen, guys, timeline was bugged out.

[Rosenberg]

It was a weird time, bro. Earth, it's still a weird time.

[Ebro]

Our timeline is crazy right now.

[Rosenberg]

Yeah, it's crazy now. It was crazy in different ways then. You know, my algorithm showed me a clip. I know we got a rap. My algorithm showed me a clip. It showed me a clip yesterday of some game show where multiple clips of the host of this game show. I forget how famous he was or what it was, bro. He's hitting on children on tv. You ever seen these

[Ebro]

prices? Right?

[Rosenberg]

No. It's not Bob Barker, though. We haven't even talked about that episode. We haven't even gotten into Bob Barker yet. His open racism. We didn't even get into that. But this is a different host. I don't know which host from the 70s was.

[Ebro]

Call me

[Rosenberg]

was a Family Feud guy. So it is. It's some famous. I apologize for having more Information. I just know the clips I watched yesterday.

[Ebro]

Are you talking about. What was your man's name? I used to watch him as a kid. What was his name, man?

[Rosenberg]

Well, I don't want to get it wrong if. If it.

[Ebro]

The original host of Family Feud, but he's, you know, he's Richard Dawson.

[Rosenberg]

I don't know if it's Richard Dawson.

[Ebro]

Yeah, no, they have. They have. Well, they have teenagers. Remember, he's an older man. They would have full families on Family Feud, but this. Are you sure? And he would wrap his arm, like, around him and kiss him and hold him close and all that.

[Rosenberg]

I just googled Richard Dawson pervert to see what I get. He'd always kiss the women. But I don't know if this is what I'm talking about.

[Ebro]

Okay, who.

[Rosenberg]

That's who I'm talking about. Yo, so. So this video of this Fergie Oliver, it was on TV, though. He has a little girl. She's like 11 years old. And he's like, I bet you like to give out hugs and kisses.

[Ebro]

Wait, what is this a game show?

[Rosenberg]

I want a game show. He's like, I bet you like to give out hugs and kisses. And she's like, no. And he's like, if you give me a hug and kiss, you'll win the game. It's called Just like Mom.

[Ebro]

She's like, the game is called what? Just like mom, bruh.

[Rosenberg]

It's the fact that this. No, the fact that this aired on TV anywhere is. Is insane. He's literally hitting and trying to force himself on a. It. It's like you. Your. Your heart starts racing when you watch it. You're like, what is happening right now? We lived in crazy times, guys. A lot of not good stuff was going on anyways, and that's tied into the Michael movie. A lot of not stuff. Not good stuff was going on.

[Ebro]

Well, and I don't know if this. This. This sequel that we're expected to get. I. That.

[Rosenberg]

How far are they going to go?

[Ebro]

They're. They're not going to talk about.

[Rosenberg]

They have to.

[Ebro]

Kids swimsuits at Neverland Ranch.

[Rosenberg]

They have to. They have to get into some of the accusations and stuff, though, and him moving around with kids. We were talking about off the air yesterday. Yo, the amount of. When you add up the amount of little kid stars Michael was friends with, it's crazy.

[Ebro]

No, it's weirdo behavior.

[Rosenberg]

It's everybody.

[Ebro]

Which is why when people are like, they see the new Michael movie, they're like, after seeing them in my in my family, in my house. I don't know about these allegations, man, he really loved kids. And I'm like, yo, you haven't seen people who are religious leaders doing great things in the community, whatever they're doing also have.

[Rosenberg]

What about your man at Penn State? What about the doctor who was in charge of taking care of the girls on the US Gymnastics team?

[Ebro]

Who?

[Rosenberg]

Larry Nassar? People were like, what? He loves those girls too much. His job is to make sure they're okay. So listen, I'm not saying that makes Michael guilty, but to Ebro's point, don't use the movie as a reason to know now that it's not true.

[Ebro]

Do not.

[Rosenberg]

You are going to leave with very warm feelings of Michael. You're entitled to have them. I did. I got home and played Michael all day, showing the tower, my one year old, showing her the live performances. You could separate those things. But don't also walk out of the movie and go, well, I've seen enough. Exonerated. What? No, you got to have room for all the thoughts.

[Ebro]

Let's get to the gurus.

[Rosenberg]

Hey, yo, it's time for the gurus, Rosenberg. All right.

[Ebro]

You know, you are a beautiful queen, Ebro.

[Rosenberg]

Don't ever play yourself.

[Ebro]

You're not a guru. Hey, Ebro, Laura and Rosenberg. You know, you can email the original gurusmail.com. you could write them about what's going on in your world, your relationships, your job, maybe something with your children, even. Even pet management.

[Rosenberg]

Oh, we have it. A lot of pet management.

[Ebro]

We have pet management specialists on this. Oh, yeah, we sure do. That's right. Dog lovers.

[Rosenberg]

Oh, yeah. Big, big dog love over here. I mean, all right.

[Ebro]

Burn the sage. Do The Zen's

[Rosenberg]

theoriginal. Gurusmail.com. send your emails today. And don't forget to send also your Freedom Friday emails for the week. What is our

[Ebro]

Ebro Laura Rosenberg at gmail?

[Rosenberg]

Ebro Laura rosenbergmail.com.

[Ebro]

that's right.

[Rosenberg]

Emails and voice notes.

[Ebro]

That's right.

[Rosenberg]

Send them.

[Ebro]

And videos. We had videos last week.

[Rosenberg]

Yeah, yeah, send a couple videos. Hey, y', all, I'm a fairly new listener. I started listening around October of 2025, but then y' all left the station two months later. I'm glad you continue to do your thing. I really appreciate Yalls perspective on life and music. That being said, I'm 30 years old. My girlfriend is 26 years old. We've been together for six years. But we've been. You ruined it. But we've been on and off breaking up for the past three years. I moved out three years ago, but still heavily involved with her and her child. I don't have a child of my own, but I love hers like he's mine. Her son will be seven in May. I've been in his life since he was 1 years old. Love him so much. I think I'm having trouble completely breaking up with my girl for the sake of her child. I'm trying to keep this as short as I can because there's a lot of nuance, But I also feel like I know what I have to do. But afraid of the reality. We break up because of our personality differences. She's a hothead. I'm chill. She's very talkative. I don't express myself much. She brings drama. I avoid it. The highs and lows of this relationship. I feel I'd rather leave the relationship than be in it miserably. For the sake of her son. I have the hardest time thinking, if I left her, will he be good in life? His biological dad ain't ish. My girl has a very short fuse and short patience, so I'm worried about how me leaving will affect everything. I have dreams. I'm still on the path of chasing, But I hold back a lot for the sake of keeping her satisfied. All right, I'm jumping ahead here.

[Ebro]

He said he was trying to keep it short. That didn't happen.

[Rosenberg]

No. And he still goes. Yeah, bro, listen up.

[Ebro]

You.

[Rosenberg]

You don't want to be with this girl, and you love her son. This is not the first time this has happened. Ain't nothing new under the sun. The question for you is, is this girl capable of. Of you having a role in her son's life and you guys breaking up? I know people where that's happened. I know people where they broke the. They were in each other's lives. For major part of the kid's life. There was always a lot of love for the kid, so that a bond always remained, but they moved on with their life. Is she the kind of person that you can have that kind of thing with, or is that impossible, but you don't want to be with her? So, Ebro, I can't see a world in which you continue to be with her knowing it's clearly not a good fit just because you love her son.

[Ebro]

Yeah, it's not gonna. Especially once her son. How old's the boy?

[Rosenberg]

Seven. Yeah.

[Ebro]

When he's 13, 14, it'll be different. Maybe you hang in there for a couple. He didn't say. He didn't love the woman.

[Rosenberg]

He said he's no love. But there's a. They're bad fit.

[Ebro]

Yeah, there's just a bad fit.

[Rosenberg]

That's what it sounds like. Like, repeatedly a bad thing.

[Ebro]

But it also sounds like he continually puts himself second. That's the type of person he is. Right. Like, it sounds like his needs, his desires are second. Second to the son and also second to how he's managing the relationship with the woman. So he's gotta. He's gotta grow a spine to. To deliver on whatever his dreams are that he claims he has.

[Rosenberg]

So what do we say? So this part of that spine, you mean that involves leaving her?

[Ebro]

Yeah, if that's what it's gonna take.

[Rosenberg]

I mean, it sounds like you just let. You keep listing how it's not gonna work. Otherwise I tell you to try to work on it. It doesn't sound like you really want that. So I think this is a good opportunity. And the truth is, I understand you love the kid. You can still find a way to have a relationship with the kid and you'll see what happens. I'm not saying one to seven isn't a critical time, because I can't imagine

[Ebro]

seven is so critical. That's a big time for boys and girls, obviously, but boys, man, boys are very sensitive. I know society doesn't look at men like that, but man, men and boys are so sensitive and it's ignored.

[Rosenberg]

And that's why people act like emotional lunatics when they get older.

[Ebro]

Exactly.

[Rosenberg]

Running around, breaking things, screaming, starting walls,

[Ebro]

punching walls, being a knucklehead and being ridiculous. And that's because our society here in the United States, we don't prioritize male emotions and emotional management the same way we do for women. Women.

[Rosenberg]

That's correct.

[Ebro]

But this person who's emailing us sounds like he wants to be there for this young man who needs a thoughtful male role model, according to his emails. So you should go to the mom and say, hey, because I'm sure she understands it. She ain't happy either, probably.

[Rosenberg]

Right?

[Ebro]

Like, let's be mature adults here. You're not happy, I'm not happy. But I love being here for your son and I. And look, they may be able to be friends.

[Rosenberg]

Man, that's. That's the hope. That's all you can do.

[Ebro]

That's all you.

[Rosenberg]

You have to lead with maturity to hope to get.

[Ebro]

Absolutely.

[Rosenberg]

So say the gurus. Bow last. As we close out the last super chat, Chip Osario says, Michael was so much fun. My 15 and my 11 year old danced all night. They love MJ. What a lady legend. That is a fact. Great time.

[Ebro]

Yeah. I can't believe y' all let Michael get away with grabbing his crotch, turn his head and screaming like that in public.

[Rosenberg]

Save it for the. Save it for the Patreon. If you want to go on the Patreon, today's a great day. Tomorrow we drop the episode. It's a great week for Patreon, though, if you're interested.

[Ebro]

Yo, and it's so crazy too, because, like, Mike fans are, like, sick of fans. You can't say nothing critical about Mike. You can't have a regular convo about Mike.

[Rosenberg]

I'm a. I'm a pretty.

[Ebro]

You're. You're good. You're good, though. You're good.

[Rosenberg]

You could be normal and then. And by the way, there's a lot of people I see you, like, have to always resist, like the music snobs who have to always be like, nah, let's talk Prince, though, and like, make it this thing. And be like, explain why Prince is better than Michael. Which to me is always the classic. It's very. It's a very Rosenberg nergy thing to do, actually. Yeah, yeah, like, nah, he was good. But the more underground the music was,

[Ebro]

Prince was, you know what I'm saying? Real artistry. What musicianship, you know what I'm saying?

[Rosenberg]

Plus, he can hoop and he can hoop, but that list of greatest hits, that Michael list of greatest hits, not even Drake can see it. Not even Drake can see. Listen, Michaels, why are you doing this?

[Ebro]

Why are you doing this? And it's already enough to argue with Mike fans. We gotta argue with Drake fan, you know, Drake fans and Mike fans similar.

[Rosenberg]

Yeah, there's like, there's no doing them no wrong.

[Ebro]

Have a.

[Rosenberg]

No, it's true. But I've already said they don't pay attention when I say Drake has more hip hop hits than anybody in history. It's not even close.

[Ebro]

Not even close.

[Rosenberg]

Not even close. Biggest hit maker of all time in rap clip that. They never want to talk about that. But he ain't passing Mike, though. Not between the Jackson 5 and Mike. No, not when you add it all up. It's too much.

[Ebro]

Mike, Mike straight toe to toe solo.

[Rosenberg]

It's close.

[Ebro]

Solo Mike.

[Rosenberg]

But Mike's hammers are so high.

[Ebro]

Mike's heights are so high.

[Rosenberg]

You can't get. No, no, no rap artist can. Has made a record that gets to the. Billie Jean.

[Ebro]

I had an argument with somebody yesterday about Thriller.

[Rosenberg]

Oh, about the song?

[Ebro]

No, no, no. About the album. And I was like, what does Thriller mean? Like, what does it mean? They were like, it's Thriller. I was like, okay, what's album about?

[Rosenberg]

It doesn't have it.

[Ebro]

They were like, it doesn't. It doesn't have to have a meaning. It's the biggest album of all time. I was like, okay, so it's the McDonald's of albums. All right, cool. Wow.

[Rosenberg]

You call. You go on McDonald's album.

[Ebro]

It's just Giant, sold, mad. All right.

[Matt F. Forger]

It's great.

[Rosenberg]

Nah, beat it. Beat. It's the Big Mac thrillers, the McDLT and. And. And the. And the Paul McCartney joint is just a hot bucket. That's the McRib. That's the McRib. Nobody wants it, but nah. Ebro's Wild Thrillers are great out. It's not. It's a great album.

[Ebro]

It ain't off the wall, but it's a great out. Phenomenal.

[Rosenberg]

It's got three ones you don't really like, but the.

[Ebro]

And they're together too, so it's an easy skip.

[Rosenberg]

Easy skip. But when you get to want to be starting something. Human nature, baby. Mimon. It's got.

[Ebro]

I mean, pretty young Dick.

[Rosenberg]

What?

[Ebro]

That title's a little. That's okay. All right, we'll conclude this. All right, see you guys tomorrow. Just don't call it a podcast.

[Rosenberg]

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[Ebro]

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[Rosenberg]

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[Ebro]

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[Rosenberg]

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[Ebro]

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