89.) Hasan Piker Joins the Program - Part One (4/30/26)

Summary

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The Ebro, Laura, Rosenberg Show

Episode 89: "Hasan Piker Joins the Program – Part One"

Date: April 30, 2026
Guests: Hasan Piker
Hosts: Ebro Darden, Laura Stylez, Peter Rosenberg

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Episode Overview

This episode features prominent political commentator and streamer Hasan Piker in a candid, wide-ranging conversation with Ebro, Laura, and Rosenberg. The discussion centers on Hasan’s career trajectory from The Young Turks to leading leftist political conversations online, his influences, his interactions with controversy—particularly around race and Israel/Palestine—and his take on both left and right-wing political figures in the U.S. The tone is honest, reflective, and unfiltered, with all parties speaking openly about hot-button issues and the minefield of internet discourse.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

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1. Hasan’s Rise: From The Young Turks to Streaming Stardom

• Career Origins
  • Hasan started at The Young Turks as an intern in 2013, doing ad sales before moving to content:

    “I started off interning at TYT… basically moved on to the content side because I really wanted to be on camera.” (04:23)

  • He became known for the show 'The Breakdown' on TYT, gaining a large following through Facebook's video algorithm surge.

    “I was getting like 30 million views a week…it was crazy.” (05:52)

• Transition to Twitch
  • Began streaming politics and gaming in 2018 to improve his off-the-cuff skills:

    “If I can play video games…and talk about politics…when my mind is preoccupied with a video game, I could probably get a lot better off the cuff. And…eight years later, I never shut up. So I guess it worked out.” (06:19)

• Family Influence and Nepotism Concerns
  • His uncle, Cenk Uygur (“the Young Turk”), was extra hard on Hasan due to nepotism fears.

    “He was so worried about nepotism allegations…he was like, no, get back to the supply closet.” (05:06)

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2. Hasan’s Political Lens & Upbringing

• Turkish Roots and Early Political Influences
  • Grew up in Turkey where politics was ever-present:

    “Turkish people are very politically minded… it’s what you discuss at the dinner table.” (07:08)

  • Awareness of social conservatism and the rise of Erdogan shaped his perspective on politics and activism.
• Academic Experience in the U.S.
  • Attended University of Miami on scholarship, then transferred to Rutgers after parental pressure due to grades.

    “They were like: we’re not sending you to Miami to fail!” (08:40)

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3. Navigating Criticism: Race, Internet Controversies, and Accountability

• Accusations of Being “Anti-Black”

  • The hosts raise issue of online narratives and viral clips framing Hasan as unsafe for Black audiences (10:10).
  • Hasan explains the clip economy:

    “There’s plenty of right wingers, neo Nazis… they will like, chop up a short clip to be like, this guy’s Anti black.” (11:21)

• Recognizing Blind Spots

  • Openly acknowledges being white and not having lived the Black experience, but tries to be conscious about race:

    “I would never say, ‘Oh, I understand the Black experience.’ …Anti-blackness… is baked into virtually every orifice of American existence.” (13:00)

• Dismissing Right-Wing “Standpoint Epistemology” Arguments

  • Refuses to validate reactionary opinions, even when presented by “standpoint” claims:

    “My policy is, if you’re right wing, reactionary… fascist collaborator, I’m going to treat you like a fascist collaborator… if someone comes in with, ‘As a Black person, I think Donald Trump is the best president,’ I’m gonna be like, suck my dick.” (17:56)

• Memorable Quote on Intersectionality/Politics:

  “It’s not left v. right, it’s up vs. down.” (48:37)

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4. The Israel/Palestine Discourse, Zionism, and Accusations of Anti-Semitism

• Online Outrage, Algorithmic Provocation, and “Hamas” Rhetoric
  • Hasan admits to using provocative language intentionally for attention:

    “The language that you use can be intentionally harsh to cut through… I do that on purpose.” (22:05)

  • Explains controversial takes (e.g., about Hamas) are meant to force public reckoning with Palestinian humanity—and that pain leads to desperation:

    “If you drop [people] into this…open air prison, eventually they’re going to try to fight their way out…that’s an act of desperation.” (25:17)

• Exploring Western Media, U.S. Politics, and Funding
  • Critiques U.S. foreign policy and Democratic establishment's lockstep with Israel:

    “Joe Biden was unbelievably pro-Israel, ideologically committed… despite his Catholic background.” (31:30)

  • Draws a parallel between treatment of Palestinians and historic examples like the Nat Turner Rebellion:

    “No one is looking at the Nat Turner Rebellion and going, well, I really want to dial in on this… I think when the dust is settled, we’ll have a similar attitude about Palestinian resistance.” (28:35)

• Debate on U.S. Jewish Support and Shifts in Sentiment
  • Discusses shifting support among American Jews, even in heavily Jewish districts:

    “They pull the stuff—even in that district…even in these, like, ultra Orthodox communities…45%…were like, ‘No, I like what she’s saying about Israel doing a genocide.’” (65:10)

• Controversy Around Zionism
  • Calls Zionism a “fascist ideology" and equates its supremacist elements with historic racism:

    “Zionism is a Nazi ideology. It’s a fascist ideology that is unbelievably racist.” (32:13)

  • Discusses Christian Zionism’s influence and evangelical support for Israel:

    “Christian Zionism…was always like the backbone of the Zionist movement financially and ideologically…” (36:01)

• Jewish Identity, Anti-Semitism, and Criticism of Israel
  • Addresses the conflation of anti-Semitism and anti-Zionism:

    “It’s funny where people would be like, ‘Oh, this guy’s antisemitic.’ I’m like, what the fuck are you talking about? I’m basically a Judeo Bolshevik.” (67:41)

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5. The Modern American and Global Right: Media Personalities & Grifters

• White Supremacy, Candace Owens, and Conservative Media
  • Skewers Candace Owens and others for opportunist, mercenary platforming of white supremacist ideas:

    “She’s always been a mercenary for…right wing attitudes…there to put a Black face on white supremacy.” (40:41)

• Debates with Right-Wing Figures
  • On debating Charlie Kirk:

    “There’s always value in attacking your opposition and showing people how to handle conversations like that, but…no, we came to an agreement on anything.” (47:34)

• Cynicism Toward New Anti-Israel Converts on the Right
  • Critiques Tucker Carlson and Candace Owens’ turn against Israel as not authentically humanitarian but a new vector for their agendas:

    “These guys are not actually anti Israel…they want to do Israel in America.” (41:30)

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6. Elections, Reform, and Hope for Change

• Grassroots Political Movement
  • Praises a new wave of left-wing candidates challenging the Democratic establishment (e.g., Abdullah Said in Michigan, Graham Platner in Maine, Oliver Larkin in Florida):

    “There are a lot of great candidates running this time around…Platner…his explanation is that he got this cool skull and bones tattoo, not realizing what it was [referring to a Nazi symbol]…” (62:56)

• Single State Solution
  • Argues passionately for a single, secular democratic state in Israel/Palestine:

    “One state already exists…It’s called Israel. It’s an apartheid state…someone has to not only restrain Israel, but then also hold Israel accountable.” (60:17)

• Reforming Society and Global Politics
  • Believes radical change needs powerful outside pressure, including U.S. foreign policy shifts:

    “There’s always a way to turn this around. But there has to be some powerful force bringing Israel to heel…” (58:53)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On White Supremacy:
  “It’s not left vs. right, it’s up vs. down.” – Hasan Piker (48:37)

• On Political Authenticity:
  “If you don’t have a humanitarian foundation…it kind of comes across as hollow.” – Hasan Piker (43:17)

• On Out-of-Context Clips:
  “If you clip it out of context, you’re like, wow, this guy’s really anti black.” – Hasan Piker (18:25)

• On Israel/Palestine:
  “If you do this to human beings…eventually they’re going to try to fight their way out…as hard as you have fought to subjugate them.” – Hasan Piker (27:37)

• On U.S. and Israel Foreign Policy Ties:
  “The reason Trump destroyed [the Iran deal] was because Israel didn’t want it.” – Hasan Piker (51:51)

• On Black & Jewish Solidarity/Experience:
  “I’m basically a Judeo Bolshevik…You should hear the way [my Jewish friends] talk about Israel.” – Hasan Piker (67:41)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Hasan's beginnings at TYT & Twitch: 04:07 – 07:00
• On Turkish politics and influence: 07:02 – 08:40
• Navigating ‘anti-Black’ accusations/clip economy: 10:10 – 17:56
• The Nicki Minaj/Tucker Carlson controversy: 15:03 – 16:05
• Race, standpoint epistemology & debate style: 16:27 – 19:43
• Algorithmic language & controversy (‘Hamas’): 22:05 – 26:20
• Hamas-Israel, U.S. policy & historical parallels: 25:17 – 33:00
• Zionism, Christian Zionism, U.S. funding: 36:01 – 41:10
• On right-wing personalities’ hypocrisy: 39:53 – 43:40
• Charlie Kirk, Candace Owens media analysis: 45:09 – 47:34
• Media/clip economy, fame, and influence: 47:53 – 49:19
• Single state solution, future of Israel/Palestine: 58:53 – 62:17
• Grassroots Democratic efforts and new candidates: 62:36 – 66:44
• Jewish identity, anti-Zionism vs. antisemitism: 67:11 – 68:28

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Concluding Notes

The episode is a deep dive into the complexities of leftist commentary, social media culture, and current geopolitical issues—specifically U.S. and Israeli politics. Hasan Piker consistently addresses critics, contextualizes his views on race and Israel, and makes space for nuanced discussions about genuine change vs. grift. Both the hosts and Hasan emphasize the need for honesty, accountability, and movement-building beyond sensationalism.

Listeners will come away with an inside view of the "clip economy," the dangers of viral misinformation, and where today’s most visible leftist streamer stands on the biggest moral and political questions of the moment.

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Transcript

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Why not?

[Interviewer or Show Host]

Let's go. Oh, man, that's right. You got it on the program. The ELR show. 844 ELR 3. Not sure we'll have time for your phone call today, though.

[Co-host or Commentator]

No, this is a big Thursday program. This is. We don't. We don't. We have now sort of changed the show. We decided at some point not going to be very guest heavy on our live shows, but for this week, if the right person makes himself available, you got to shut things down, have a conversation.

[Interviewer or Show Host]

And we got Hasan Piker on the program. What's happening?

[Co-host or Commentator]

So a man of your word. Thank you for coming through.

[Hasan Piker]

Of course. Thank you.

[Interviewer or Show Host]

Well, now. So we got sent a video of someone in your chat saying you should come on the show and you said, yeah, totally will come on the show. I DM'd you before that happened and you never hit me back, so I just want to say that was rude.

[Hasan Piker]

Oh, my bad. I. I don't look at any of my DMs.

[Interviewer or Show Host]

I have no, I mean, likely excuse.

[Co-host or Commentator]

Yo, by the way, you're. He doesn't look at dms. Don't even listen anything. But your DMS are probably crazy. You never look no over the last few months, six, you know, where you've really exploded. You still haven't checked?

[Hasan Piker]

No, I never checked.

[Co-host or Commentator]

You know, it could be slight. You don't know, kind of people could be sliding.

[Hasan Piker]

It doesn't matter, really.

[Interviewer or Show Host]

He can't. He's not. It's not safe.

[Co-host or Commentator]

Are you in a relationship?

[Hasan Piker]

I don't talk about my private life.

[Co-host or Commentator]

Oh, God.

[Hasan Piker]

Okay.

[Co-host or Commentator]

Well, you should look in the DMs.

[Hasan Piker]

Yeah, I mean, it's just we have a thing on my. I have a podcast with my friends and they will go through my DM, my Instagram DMs all the time to be like, why haven't you hit back this person? Like, some crazy people are in there. Like Ricky Martin. Like, that's a.

[Interviewer or Show Host]

That's a big one.

[Hasan Piker]

Yeah, no, there's. It's always people like that, where people would just be like, this person follows you. Like, this famous person follows you. That famous person follows you. Why haven't you, like, reached out?

[Co-host or Commentator]

So why don't you. In all honesty, why don't you. Look, look, what's the. There's some logic behind it.

[Hasan Piker]

I'm busy.

[Interviewer or Show Host]

He streams for eight hours.

[Hasan Piker]

Yeah, I'm doing stuff. I'm doing political stuff, so I don't have time.

[Interviewer or Show Host]

Well, so let me ask you on that, because we have a number of hot topics to get to you today. Get with you about today, but before we do that, I started following you some time ago.

[Hasan Piker]

That's what I heard. I saw the clip.

[Interviewer or Show Host]

Yeah. And only because I just saw a guy saying some cool stuff. I didn't really think of you as, you know, a political pundit, per se. I just saw you as a smart dude trying to. And I think the premise of what I originally saw where you were trying to talk about white supremacy, and that was like, you were very, like, anti white supremacy and trying to peel back those layers. Is that your main premise, kind of streaming existence, or did it start somewhere else?

[Hasan Piker]

No, I mean, I. I started on Twitch specifically to talk about politics while I was playing video games with some of my friends.

[Co-host or Commentator]

What year is this? Retirement?

[Hasan Piker]

This is 2018. I was at the Young Turks already and interning.

[Co-host or Commentator]

Or you, like, you had a job?

[Hasan Piker]

I had a job job. I. I started off interning at TYT in 2013, and I stayed there full time. I was doing ad sales and stuff. I basically moved on to the content side because I really wanted to do. I really wanted to be on camera. And I. I was really bad.

[Co-host or Commentator]

It was so bad at it.

[Hasan Piker]

So I was just like basically a Phil. Whenever. Like a. Whenever a producer wasn't there, I was like, I'll make myself available. Whenever there was an on camera talent that, like a last second cancellation, I was like, I'll do it for free. It's fine. So I did that. I snuck in as much as I could to be on camera and get on camera.

[Co-host or Commentator]

And your uncle is the Young Turk?

[Hasan Piker]

Yeah, he is the Young Turk. He's old now, but he's not young.

[Co-host or Commentator]

Right. It's like what Jay used to say. Young Hov.

[Hasan Piker]

Yeah, he is. Exactly. He's the young. He was the Young Turk at the time. And. And he was so worried about nepotism allegations that he was like extra hard on me too. So he's like, no, get back to the. Get back to the supply closet.

[Interviewer or Show Host]

We'll get to him in this conversation. Oh yeah, Y' all don't like each other right now anyway.

[Hasan Piker]

No, I mean, I. Look, that's my. As my uncle, I love him, even if I have significant criticisms of. Of what he's up to every now and then.

[Co-host or Commentator]

But he brought you in and gave you the opportunity.

[Hasan Piker]

Yeah, exactly.

[Co-host or Commentator]

And so that's how you then found yourself on Twitch.

[Hasan Piker]

Yeah. So while I was at Tyt a couple years in, I'm like doing this thing called the Breakdown. I designed the show for the Young Turks. It was very popular. I was like, on Tommy Lauren, I

[Co-host or Commentator]

don't know if you guys remember, we had. We did the same.

[Hasan Piker]

Yeah. And it was popping like I was getting like. Because this was right when Facebook tuned up the video algorithm faucet. So I was getting like 30 million views a week. It was crazy, right? Some of it was probably fake, but there was real attention, real eyeballs on this stuff. And. And I was like, you know, I need to get better off the cuff because this was pre scripted content that I was writing out ahead of time. So I was like, I need to get better off the cuff because I'm not very good on. On the fly. And so I was like, if I can play video games, as I'm already playing fortnight anyway, and if I could talk about politics and be entertaining at the same time, when my mind is preoccupied with a video game, I could probably get a lot better off the cuff. And I mean, eight years later, I never shut up. So I guess it worked out.

[Co-host or Commentator]

It certainly did. Were there other people doing that yet? Because that's now a whole. The whole people talking during video games about other things is like a gigantic economy.

[Interviewer or Show Host]

Which is whole thing is that's yeah, basically that.

[Hasan Piker]

Yeah, there were. People were doing that, but, like, not as, like, heavily focused on politics and

[Co-host or Commentator]

class politics was your biggest interest. On the other hand.

[Hasan Piker]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Interviewer or Show Host]

Why. Why your interest? What started your interest in politics? Why? What?

[Hasan Piker]

I grew up in Turkey, and when you're like, Turkish people are very politically minded.

[Interviewer or Show Host]

Okay.

[Hasan Piker]

They're. They're always tuned in. They have. They kind of have to be. Because in America, I feel like everything's on autopilot. You know, you can even have Donald Trump as president. There's like tens of millions of people who are just like, I don't know what's going on. Whereas in Turkey, I feel like people are a lot more hands on. I don't know what it looks like now. I haven't been back in quite a while, but when I was growing up, like, politics is what you discuss at the dinner table, right?

[Co-host or Commentator]

Sounds like my house.

[Hasan Piker]

Yeah, that does make sense. Yeah. So basically that was. That was a reason. And then Erdogan came to power. I saw the changes taking place with, like, social conservatism in the country. Turkey is a secular country. Right. So I, you know, I was very frustrated by that. I saw the immediate impact in my life as well. So I was always very invested in the political process.

[Interviewer or Show Host]

And then you come to the United States for school, for. And where did you go to school?

[Hasan Piker]

First I went to University of Miami. I got into all these colleges. I got like, crazy scholarships from all these colleges, academic scholarships.

[Interviewer or Show Host]

So, yeah, good grades.

[Hasan Piker]

I. I did. And I test one and I maxed out on my SAT math. I was not very good at everything else, but the SAT math was like, super easy. Because if you, if you learned math in. In another country and you come to America, American math is like, really funny, right?

[Interviewer or Show Host]

Tell me more. Tell me more.

[Hasan Piker]

I mean, I. I can't do math equations. Save my life. Now, I haven't touched math in a long time, but, like, we were learning. We were getting calc 2 education in, like, I think, 10th grade.

[Interviewer or Show Host]

Wow.

[Hasan Piker]

So that's like, that's what also carried me in my first year in Miami as well. Like, I aced my Calc one and calc two and. And then everything else was dog. Everything else was terrible. And, you know, I got, you know, I got foreign parents. They were like, we're not sending you to Miami to fail because I got a 2, 9. And they were like, that's an abject failure. You have to transfer. So I went to Rutgers and I graduated from Rutgers.

[Co-host or Commentator]

Got it. There you go, King Lou. Big Rutgers guy, Big Rutgers guy over there.

[Interviewer or Show Host]

So, so now your big streamer, big lefty streamer. And when we talked about having you on the program, one of the first videos we got from our audience, because we have a significant black listening audience, was that you're anti black and you're not a safe space for black people. So before sitting down and talking to you, I went down that rabbit hole. Because in the streaming thing, whether you're a political streamer, streaming, doing whatever, Internet shenanigans, right. It's kind of like a flow of consciousness. Things are happening, it's just happening. And so I see a clip of, of someone telling you to stop talking about black people. And you were very dismissive to the individual and told him to suck your dick. At which point I was like, all right, that's not the way you want to handle that. Especially if you're talking politics, because it's tough to, it's tough to be off the cuff and dismissive while talking politics. Right. Like that. People automatically are gonna take that at face value and take it very serious. But I would like to give you space to talk about how you feel about this narrative being shaped and what are you willing to do to try to ingratiate yourself to people who are getting this narrative now? Because now you're the bad guy. The right is you, even the left is using you as the bad guy.

[Hasan Piker]

I wouldn't say the left is, but it's like there's a lot of right wing elements within the Liberal Democratic Party that is taking advantage of the attacks.

[Interviewer or Show Host]

Well, the pro Zionist, pro Israel is definitely. I saw a post about him from the adl.

[Hasan Piker]

Oh, Jonathan Greenblatt is my number one op.

[Co-host or Commentator]

Yeah.

[Interviewer or Show Host]

But we'll get into that. But anyway, that's all being worked into this.

[Hasan Piker]

It is, but it is absolute. Like that, that is the, the major vector here. Like, that's where a lot of the attacks are coming from. But just like how AIPAC never really talks about Israel and the elections that it intervenes in, the. The attacks aren't just about Israel because they understand that like, Israel has fallen out of favor. So they'll do these sorts of, like, hit pieces. And there's plenty of right wingers, neo Nazis that I've duked it out with on the Internet for like the past decade or so.

[Co-host or Commentator]

Sure.

[Hasan Piker]

Which is precisely the reason why. And those, there's a, a litany of different, like, lines of attack that they can hit where they will like, chop up a short clip to be like, this guy's Anti black. But if you clip economy.

[Co-host or Commentator]

The clip economy, yeah. So right wingers being like, look at this guy, he's anti black. But look at the people who are

[Hasan Piker]

saying it would be like, like Himmler's gruper 1488 being like, wow, this guy is really anti black. And it's like, it's just the N word on their timeline, up and down, but people don't see that. Right. And it's easy in many instances, it's kind of easy to trick people with that stuff, to get people on board with it, because I talked for 20. I have talked for more than 21,000 hours live on politically contentious issues that people obviously have a personal connection with. And my commentary is from a framework that most people have no experience with whatsoever. Anti imperialist, Marxist, anti capitalist positioning is, Is not something that you normally hear in, in popular politics at all. And either people are oblivious to it or they've been antagonized towards it. Right. Like, so they've learned that this is a bad thing, this is evil, this is anti American, this is hateful.

[Interviewer or Show Host]

But do you, but do you think you understand the nuances of racial dynamics in America? As somebody who's only been here for

[Hasan Piker]

20 years, not only, not only is that difficult to grasp, but I'm also, I'm white. Right, so there's.

[Interviewer or Show Host]

So you do recognize some blind spots.

[Hasan Piker]

Yeah, of course.

[Interviewer or Show Host]

Okay.

[Hasan Piker]

Of course. And. And I would never say, like, oh, I understand the black experience. Like, that's insane. Right? I mean, look, I, I can only compare it to my experience as someone whose name is Hassan, who's been getting called, you know, Osama bin Laden incarnate for the last 10 years of my, my media career. That's. It's still going to be very different than anti blackness, which I think is, is very insidious and, and baked into virtually every orifice of American existence. Like, it's in all of our cultural institutions. It's in the criminal justice system. It's. It's in every aspect of our ragu, man.

[Interviewer or Show Host]

It's in there.

[Co-host or Commentator]

Yeah.

[Interviewer or Show Host]

It's in the sauce, which is, which is precisely.

[Hasan Piker]

Like, it's ironic because I talk about this all the time. You. It's. There are many different ways of being anti black without actually saying the key words that like white people tune into, or even white people understand it as anti blackness. There's a million different things that you can do before you get to posting an AI video of Michelle and Barack Obama as monkeys, which is universally established as one of the most anti Black things you can do that even racist people will be like, I'm checking out of this one.

[Co-host or Commentator]

I'm racist. But this isn't. This is too far.

[Hasan Piker]

Yeah, exactly.

[Interviewer or Show Host]

So they're gonna clip that.

[Co-host or Commentator]

Yeah. Wait, so. So with you, though, specifically.

[Hasan Piker]

Yeah.

[Co-host or Commentator]

When people were coming for you in this one clip I saw moving around where you were being dismissive, what is the crux of it?

[Interviewer or Show Host]

There's multiple videos.

[Hasan Piker]

A couple clips. There's a couple clips. So, like, the. The inception, back in the day, when I was at the Young Turks, I was known as, like, the white guy who. Who was, like, very pro Black Lives Matter. Even before, when liberals weren't so fond of Black Lives Matter under the Obama administration, I was, you know, I was a commentator who was, you know, talking about criminal justice reform. So, like, that is how I started off. The turning point was actually not even recent.

[Interviewer or Show Host]

It was turning point, pun intended or not.

[Hasan Piker]

No, not pun intended.

[Interviewer or Show Host]

I was like, where's. No Kirk.

[Hasan Piker]

No Kirk.

[Interviewer or Show Host]

No.

[Co-host or Commentator]

No T. Pusa. Yeah, all right.

[Hasan Piker]

No, the turning point was Nicki Minaj.

[Co-host or Commentator]

Which. Nicki Minaj, which. Which.

[Hasan Piker]

Which turn 2021. I think she was like. When she was talking about her cousin's balls, and I ratioed her, and I was like, the world is awaiting your scientific contributions. Like, because she was like, oh, I'm trying to do my own research. Then I ratioed her, and then she went on this whole tangent with, like, Tucker Carlson, and I was like, tucker Carlson is a white supremacist. And basically, like. And she got really mad about that. She was like, I'm a black woman. I know. You know, I know someone who. I know if someone is racist, like, I know that I don't need to hear, like, a white boy telling me that. Whatever. And then her fans, like, the Barbs.

[Interviewer or Show Host]

Oh, no. They swarmed you.

[Hasan Piker]

The barb swarmed me. And then, like, black Twitter was like, this guy is anti black. He's.

[Co-host or Commentator]

But wait, but what was. What specifically did you say? Just because you were trying to tell, like, you kind of clowned a tweet of hers.

[Hasan Piker]

Yeah. And then I. I, you know, I was. I was critical of that. That collaboration.

[Co-host or Commentator]

Well, I. Nikki, Tucker Carlson, collab history

[Interviewer or Show Host]

has served you well, sir.

[Co-host or Commentator]

Very well.

[Hasan Piker]

I know on that one, a lot of the. A lot of those, like, super barbs are now very anti Nicky. So.

[Interviewer or Show Host]

But you do take ownership and accountability of the other things that were triggering for your, you know, black people who may have seen your videos as dismissive. You. You do take accountability to that.

[Hasan Piker]

Yeah. So that was just the starting point. And then all these other clips are usually someone coming in and doing standpoint epistemology to be like, well, as a black person. Which by the way, I don't even know if they are right. Like it's just an anonymous account, but they'll be like. One of the, one of the clips that's going around is someone being like, black people really care about the border. Like black people are actually very much on board with ice. And it was one of those things where I was like, the fuck? What are you talking about? Like, one, that's not true. And two, I don't give a fuck if like, even if it was true, I still wouldn't care.

[Co-host or Commentator]

Wouldn't affect your opinion on the border.

[Hasan Piker]

Yeah, exactly. Like, it's just, I don't play by the standpoint epistemology rules of like. Well, as a black person, I have this experience. I have this lived experience. And therefore you have to listen to me defend right wing policies that are inherently anti black just because I'm black. Yeah, exactly. So that was.

[Interviewer or Show Host]

Well, it's also too, I think, you know, there's this, a singular black person, any black person doesn't speak for all black people.

[Hasan Piker]

Yeah.

[Interviewer or Show Host]

And there may. There are black people who do have that outlook.

[Hasan Piker]

Yeah.

[Interviewer or Show Host]

That doesn't mean that just because they're black, as you're pointing out, they get to take space in your platform if you don't want them to and simply

[Co-host or Commentator]

because they add the thing before it. Well, as a black person, that means you have to stop what you're doing and be like, well, let me hear your espouse your right wing ideology then.

[Hasan Piker]

Yeah, my, my policy is if you're right wing, if you're reactionary, if you're a fascist, or if you're a fascist collaborator, I'm going to treat you like a fascist collaborator. It doesn't matter. Obviously there's red lines I won't cross. You know, I'm not going to like say slurs, you know what I mean? But, but if someone comes in with like, oh, well, as a black person, I think Donald Trump is the best president. I'm gonna be like, suck my dick. Like, you know, and, and if you clip it out of context, you're like, wow, this guy's really anti black.

[Interviewer or Show Host]

Like he's, he's also, also just. And I tell, I make fun of Rosenberg for this. You're also just white.

[Hasan Piker]

That's exactly.

[Interviewer or Show Host]

And so when you say things and they come out of your orifice with this look.

[Hasan Piker]

Yeah. No, I, I understand people are going

[Co-host or Commentator]

to go even, even under the best of like we, we've gone through the experience over the years where him and I can be going back and forth on a thing. We b, we agree on 90% of issues and someone will be like, nah, Rosenberg sucked today. Ebro, you were on point and it's like we were just agreeing all day today. But some people, they're gonna hear what they.

[Hasan Piker]

But I understand that there's like, there's always gonna be people with biases. I have my own hang ups too. From my own lived experiences. I try to be as open minded as possible. But I have a very firm and well defined worldview. And if someone comes in and, and one of the things that like is, is unbelievably annoying that I think most people also hate is whenever people do that shit when they're like, well as a, as a, as a person of this background, like as a bisexual person of color, I think we should actually have Nazis in, in mainstream discourse. I'm like, I don't give a fuck what you're doing in your, in your sexual experiences or what your background is like. No, that's ridiculous.

[Interviewer or Show Host]

So just want to recap.

[Hasan Piker]

Yeah.

[Interviewer or Show Host]

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[Interviewer or Show Host]

don't like them. No, no.

[Co-host or Commentator]

Very anti Nazis.

[Hasan Piker]

Don't like them.

[Interviewer or Show Host]

Don't. Fascists.

[Hasan Piker]

Don't like them.

[Interviewer or Show Host]

Neo colonialists.

[Hasan Piker]

No, it's just imperialists. No, don't like them.

[Co-host or Commentator]

He's against the bad guys is what you're saying.

[Hasan Piker]

Well, but the problem is a lot of bad guys don't want to say they're bad guys.

[Co-host or Commentator]

I know.

[Hasan Piker]

So what they do instead is turn me into a bad guy for calling them out.

[Interviewer or Show Host]

Now, General, I mean, but that's generally been the tactic. But you.

[Co-host or Commentator]

I would say this. I was, I was listening to some of the run you've been on over the last couple of weeks and what I'm struck by is that you. A lot of things, you're very impressive. You're really good. Speaking about a lot of different things. You also are an algorithm hustler. Like you do know what gets the people going. You know what I mean? Meaning, hear me out. Your belief system is your belief system. The language that you use can be intentionally harsh to cut through. I mean, I've even heard you say that.

[Hasan Piker]

Oh yeah, no, no, I do that on purpose. Yeah, for sure.

[Interviewer or Show Host]

So that's called we, that we call

[Co-host or Commentator]

that algorithm hustling because you know that's going to get through and get to people.

[Hasan Piker]

So one of the examples that I'll give you that is in the news right now, that I do by design. I guess if you want to call it algorithmic hustling, that's true.

[Co-host or Commentator]

The Hamas.

[Hasan Piker]

Yeah, yeah, there you go, that one.

[Co-host or Commentator]

Because I heard you explain this on Pod save America for 20 minutes.

[Hasan Piker]

Yeah.

[Co-host or Commentator]

And it became clear to me over the 20 minutes that like, you don't think highly of Hamas. What you really feel strongly about is the horrors of the Israeli government and what they've been doing to Palestinian people for 80 years. And then use the contrast to make this point. That. And I did agree with you at one point because yes, I was offended by it when I heard the thing. I'd be like, who would choose Hamas for anything? They're just matter of factly not good at what they do at the very least. But when you did say it's something that will get liberals to think I did say as much as I did. I hated it when I heard it. It did lead to me going, well, what is he saying here? The problem is, and I think they said this on Pod Save America to you, there are certain people who would otherwise side with you where it's so. It hits them so harshly, not a lot because of October 7, but also because of other things that it makes it hard for them to hear the rest of what you might have to say. And that's a risk you're willing to take.

[Hasan Piker]

Someone's got to break that wall. I think that's the way I see it. Because it's not just about like, my personal perspective on Hamas in general, but it's also about the, the humanity of Palestinians. Because like we, we, it's easy for us to be like, oh, those guys are bad. They did October 7th. Like that's, that's heinous, it's horrifying. But most people don't factor in the, the pain that Palestinian people have withstood that has led them to take action, sometimes even heinous action against civilians. Right. Like that's an act of desperation. And I think for a lot of people, they don't understand that people just say, oh no, you're just supposed to like, sit there and be perfect victim. Sit there and take it. And I want people to understand, like two things. One, that if you do this to human beings, if you, if you drop them into this like hermetically sealed open air prison, eventually they're going to try to fight their way out of that. Right. No matter what happens. Especially if there's no pathway to peace that, that you have designed for them. Now this is obviously a big point of contention and that's precisely the reason why a lot of liberal Zionists, for example, will say, no, Israel, Israel has tried to do peace. You can't do peace with Hamas. They're crazy. Whatever, they're anti Semitic. Like their primary motivation there is not the death and destruction of Jewish people or to kill as many Jewish people as possible, no matter how hard mainstream media presents, presents it as such their primary directive in that situation. And the Al Aqsa flood operation, which was conducted not just by Hamas, but Hamas was like the banner carrier, I guess it was. The entirety of the Palestinian resistance is to make the apartheid as costly as possible for the Israeli state to make the occupation as. As costly as possible.

[Interviewer or Show Host]

Costly financially.

[Hasan Piker]

Not just costly financially, but like with a human toll as well, like kidnapping and, and doing things that, that are totally illegal under international law. But it's an act of desperation from them. And the reason why I think it's important to have these sorts of discussions is because the overwhelming majority in mainstream news covers Hamas as like almost this alien force. This, this alien force that was dropped on top of Gaza that like, they're not comprised entirely of Palestinian orphans. Like, this is a, this is an orphan militia. When you, when you think about it like, these are people that I'm not going to agree with in, you know, many respects, but at the end of the day, as far as like ending the occupation, that's something that I, I want to happen. That's something that the overwhelming majority of, of the Western world and certainly the entirety of the third world wants to happen because they understand, like, Israel's position as a settler colonial entity in the region.

[Co-host or Commentator]

But isn't it as simple in some degree as like, evil and violence begets evil and violence and what Israel has done to Palestinian people. While October 7th still makes my skin crawl. And obviously you see the Nova Festival and anyone with a heart sees those videos and goes, Jesus Christ, this is a nightmare. But to see that it is possible that those, you've made those things possible. Unfortunately, now we could also say literally made those things possible. If you have serious question marks about how the IDF allowed this thing to even happen. When, if I don't. If you've ever.

[Hasan Piker]

Oh, no, no. I'm familiar with all the theories. I understand that, like my, my assessment on that is like, it's part hubris and in part, I guess, taking advantage of like, what you knew could potentially happen there. Moving the troops to the west bank, you know, not having any, like, no

[Interviewer or Show Host]

one was on duty.

[Hasan Piker]

Yeah. Making sure the Nova Festival went an additional day as well.

[Co-host or Commentator]

Because that part. I didn't, I didn't.

[Hasan Piker]

Yeah, there was apparently no festival was supposed to be a two day endeavor and they added an extra day on the third day, which happened to be October 7th. But there's all these different things. But, but, but I'm not even talking about that. Like, I'm not even talking about like, did Benjamin and Yahoo. Allow this to happen?

[Co-host or Commentator]

Right.

[Hasan Piker]

I'm sure no.

[Co-host or Commentator]

No, this is the overall part that allowed it to happen.

[Hasan Piker]

Yeah. The, the, the thing that I'm getting to is, you know, you kill people, you rape them, you, you cordon them off of society, you belittle them, you humiliate them, you surveil them, they're gonna, they're gonna fight back. And if you do that for 75 plus years sometimes, they're gonna fight back in an unbelievably vicious way. Because what you've done as a state, even though it's invisible to us because we see state violence as like totally normal. Right. And justifiable. Because there's A legal process behind it. When you do that to people, they're gonna. They're gonna fight back as hard as you have fought to subjugate them. And the reason and an example I use in the pod save interview was also the Nat Turner Rebellion. Right. The Nat Turner Rebellion was unbelievably brutal. I mean, they were chopping up babies inside of cribs. Like, that's a. That's as bad as.

[Co-host or Commentator]

It's bad stuff.

[Hasan Piker]

Yeah.

[Interviewer or Show Host]

It's what happened to get them to that point.

[Hasan Piker]

Exactly. 400 years of chattel slavery. No one is looking at the Nat Turner Rebellion and going, well, you know, I really want to dial in on this. And I think when the dust is settled, we'll have a similar attitude about Palestinian resistance and the militancy if, you know, justice is served in the future, and I hope it will be.

[Co-host or Commentator]

But don't you feel like Hamas and Israel both were very clear on that there would just be mass civilian victims. Hamas knows we do October 7th. If it works out the way we want, they will respond in a way that's absolutely heinous. It's completely worked, by the way. They've been completely successful. They have successfully. They brutalized innocent people, many innocent people. On October 7, Israel responded with an absolute insane response and eventual genocide. The world has now vastly turned on Israel.

[Hasan Piker]

Well, not the world. The world had already. The world didn't fuck with Israel at all.

[Co-host or Commentator]

But it's gotten worse.

[Hasan Piker]

No, the Western.

[Co-host or Commentator]

The Western world. Sorry, the Western world. A lot more mainstream people have turned on Israel.

[Hasan Piker]

Yeah.

[Co-host or Commentator]

But Hamas was also, as Israel was comfortable that in there, there would be thousands and thousands and thousands of innocent deaths.

[Hasan Piker]

Yeah. I. I don't know the. The calculations. Right. Of. Of Yahya Sinwar, but what I will say is this. Israel is not a natural disaster. They're human beings that were pushing those buttons. There were human beings that. That set up the. The AI programs that would send a drone strike automatically when they decided someone was a militant that was coming home. Right. Those are all decisions that human beings made. And there were decisions on our end as the American state that we made where we decided we're just going to let Israel do whatever it wants. And there were plenty of funding, and there were plenty of people even in the American State Department who recognized that this was going to be deadly. It was already beginning to be deadly. I think a week after October 7, Israel had already killed more people, more civilians than Hamas had killed. Right. And. And everybody knew exactly what was happening and what was going to happen. Everyone that knew anything about, like, the, the mowing of the lawn operations that Israel had engaged in, like Cast Lead and numerous others year after year, where they killed, you know, thousands of Palestinians and exploded buildings, including the Associated Press building, as famously in 2021. So. So people knew what was up already and they wanted to stop it. But Joe Biden was unbelievably pro Israel, like, ideologically committed to Israel his whole life, despite his Catholic background in the

[Co-host or Commentator]

way many centrist Democrats always have been. Yeah, but this is what we do.

[Hasan Piker]

Beyond that.

[Co-host or Commentator]

No, he was the real deal.

[Hasan Piker]

He was even more aggro on Israel than even a regular Zionist Democrat is. But the point I'm trying to make is like, they triggered the response certainly with October 7th. But Israel had every opportunity to go, you know what?

[Co-host or Commentator]

We're not taking the bait here.

[Hasan Piker]

We're not going to do this. We need to chart a different path forward. Of course it wasn't going to happen because the primary directive on the Israeli side is guided by unbelievable amounts of racism. Like, that's why I always say, like, Zionism is a Nazi ideology. It's a fascist.

[Co-host or Commentator]

And that's something you have to understand how triggering that is.

[Hasan Piker]

Oh, no, I know. That's another one.

[Co-host or Commentator]

Again, that's an intentional.

[Hasan Piker]

It's another one. Like, it's a. It's a fascist ideology that is unbelievably racist. Like that. It's. It's a supremacist ideology that dictates that the out group, specifically Palestinians, Arabs, Christian, Muslim alike, are lesser and they need to be dealt with violently and militarily, which is part of the reason why, you know, people who do end up visiting even the west bank and see the occupation. People like Ta Nehisi Coates, who have written extensively on defending Israel, ironically enough, at the Atlantic. The editor in chief of the Atlantic is a former Israeli concentration camp guard. They're not too fond of me either. They write a lot of negative articles about who?

[Co-host or Commentator]

The Atlantic.

[Hasan Piker]

The Atlantic magazine. Yeah. But Ta Nehisi Coates used to write for the Atlantic and he was very, you know, he'd written extensively about reparations for black Americans and used the reparations, the aftermath of the Holocaust to Israel as a positive example. And he has had a major attitude change after he saw this, and now

[Co-host or Commentator]

he's become one of the best voices on there.

[Hasan Piker]

Yeah, he became a strong advocate for the pro Palestinian movement after he saw it, because it's virtually impossible once you see it. It's impossible to unsee it.

[Co-host or Commentator]

Have you Gotten to have conversations with Jewish, non Zionist, anti Zionist, Reform Zionists who are able to articulate for you, though, why the atrocities that Israel has committed recently and previously, why it's very hard for people to square, based on maybe their experience with family members who have died in the Holocaust, what we've been taught our entire lives about what Israel was supposed to be. I'm saying all of that to say there are a lot of people who I'm sure are triggered by you and immediately go to, you must be anti Semitic. And I'm not trying to give them a pass for that, but I am trying to explain that it's hard for people to have a real come to Jesus about a place that they've been taught about their whole life and have fond thoughts of is not what they believed it was. And it's easy on the Internet for people to say, I'm not talking about you specifically for people to say, anyone who ever has a positive thought about Israel is the worst ever and is a hateful person. That shows a complete lack of understanding for the natural human experience. For anyone who was told in any way that there were positive things about Israel, have you gotten to have, like, dialogue about that and understand why people could be super sensitive? But if you take the time, I can tell that you're not a hateful person who hates Jewish people. You have strong feelings about Israel, but we were intentionally coached to believe that if someone has strong anti Israel opinions, it means they're anti Semitic. That was part of the plan.

[Interviewer or Show Host]

But you've come, you've come on our program to a space of acknowledging that you need to do work to unlearn,

[Co-host or Commentator]

continue to unlearn that.

[Interviewer or Show Host]

Well, because we've had conversations about the premise of Israel, like the premise of the British and the Americans saying, hey, take this space right here. It's yours, don't worry.

[Co-host or Commentator]

Yeah, we're doing it all for the love. We think you guys will be supporting Jews.

[Interviewer or Show Host]

We want you to be safe because we love Jews.

[Co-host or Commentator]

That's why. That's why we're so big on taking you during the Holocaust.

[Interviewer or Show Host]

The Jews can't come to America.

[Co-host or Commentator]

No, no, we don't want you to come here.

[Interviewer or Show Host]

Go there, go there.

[Co-host or Commentator]

But it's hard because I have, you know, listen, I have family there right now. So it's very. It is, It's a hard thing to unlearn and deal with.

[Hasan Piker]

The only person who was in opposition to the Balfour Declaration was the only Jewish MP at this, the time in the British, in the British Parliament, he Was he was a.

[Co-host or Commentator]

This is a bad idea. I don't think we all need to be right there.

[Hasan Piker]

Yeah, no, they were like, I mean it was, it was always like Christian Zionism in some respects was always like the backbone of the Zionist movement, financially

[Interviewer or Show Host]

speaking or even the ideology, both financially

[Hasan Piker]

and ideologically as well. It wasn't even like the dispensationalist or like the Christian evangelical theological justification justifications necessarily, but they always were like, yeah, let's get these Jews out of here and send.

[Co-host or Commentator]

So it was a double whammy. It was hey, let's get the Jews out of here. And also we put them front facing. Yeah, but we know that then when Christ comes back we'll have Israel also. Was that, is that the logic?

[Hasan Piker]

I mean for, for the overwhelming majority of evangelical Protestants in the country that are, you know, Evangelical Zionists now that is the mentality. The idea is Jews are, you know, chosen and the chosen sons and daughters of God got to go there so that we can trigger the Rapture. We go to Megiddo. Jesus Christ comes back on earth and fights the, the, the forces of the devil in Megiddo which triggers the Rapture. They all become close. Right. They get harponzoed into the, into the space. This is a legitimate thing that like.

[Interviewer or Show Host]

No, it's a real thing.

[Co-host or Commentator]

People in office believe this stuff.

[Interviewer or Show Host]

And, and for the audience that's watching this and, and I'm sure people are in their emotions about whatever they're in their emotions about because there'. Unpack. There are billions of dollars.

[Hasan Piker]

Yeah.

[Interviewer or Show Host]

Sent to Israel by, you know, kfy.

[Hasan Piker]

Christians United for Israel is like.

[Interviewer or Show Host]

I was going to say, I was just going to say Christian nationalists who also are the same people who separated the black church and the white church because you know, the most segregated day in America is Sunday where black people are at one church and white people are at another church, which that goes back hundreds of years. But these people have been funding this.

[Co-host or Commentator]

But isn't this the perfect transition point to another thing I know we want to get to, which is that. And this is so frustrating. I'm sure you deal with this parsing out the actual hateful people. In my case, I'll call them anti Semites. You can also call them white supremacists because they are but the Candace Owens and the Tucker Carlson's and the people who have now found this issue as their big calling card but have previously said actual anti Semitic things for years and anti black.

[Interviewer or Show Host]

Very anti black.

[Hasan Piker]

Oh yeah.

[Co-host or Commentator]

So how do you parse that so

[Hasan Piker]

pro Israel things too. That's the other thing. Candace Owens used to be pro Israel when she was saying, oh yeah, because I've been tracking. Oh yeah, I track and do commentary on misinformation. That's like a big part of what I do. And also specifically right wing extremism, right neo Nazis and the like. This is my bread and butter. This is what I've been doing for many, many years and cutting through their propaganda. So I'm very familiar with Candace Owens. Candace Owens famously said Adolf Hitler just wanted to make Germany great and that Adolf Hitler became a globalist when he started invading other countries. And she found that to be a defensible statement, which is insane because the Nuremberg race laws were a part of making Germany great. So she was already deeply anti Semitic from the jump, but she was pro Israel. The reason why that's important is because Ben Shapiro at the Daily Wire knew that she was deeply anti Semitic and still hired her because she was pro Israel. Once after October 7, she started seeing which way the wind was blowing and was like, wait a minute, this is actually a fantastic opportunity for me to beef up my credibility and started becoming anti Israel. That's when Ben Shapiro and Jeremy Boreing were like, you're fired. So they didn't care that she was anti Semitic as long as she was or anti black. Clearly, of course, they hired her for being anti black. But you know, Ben Shapiro, he's Jewish. He cares about anti Semitism. Certainly you would think to a certain degree.

[Interviewer or Show Host]

Yeah, but you're saying the priority, but

[Co-host or Commentator]

the priorities was Israel over actually being Jewish.

[Hasan Piker]

And it's always been the case. I mean, David Horowitz passed away. Rabid Islamophobe. David Horowitz was the one who plucked Candace Owens and made her into a conservative commentator. David Horowitz is the, the guy who found her originally. She was doing like a. Like a pro Barack Obama, anti Trump blog back in the day, before any of this stuff. And. And David Horowitz plucked her and was like, you should. You have real talent.

[Co-host or Commentator]

And let's say you do something else. Yeah, and then Kanye. And then Kanye put the gasoline.

[Hasan Piker]

Yeah, that too.

[Co-host or Commentator]

Yeah.

[Hasan Piker]

But she's always been a. She's always been a mercenary for whatever,

[Interviewer or Show Host]

like maligned hired gun.

[Hasan Piker]

Yeah, whatever. Whatever right wing attitudes exist out there. She's there to put a black face on that white supremacy.

[Co-host or Commentator]

So how do you feel about your uncle doing one interview after another with old Tucker Carlson these days?

[Hasan Piker]

I. Well, first of all, I want to do an interview with Tucker Carlson, but. But it would be contentious. Right? Like there's going to be. Because I, I'm, I'm fascinated to and I want to understand where he's coming from. Like I want to see if this is a genuine sea change. I don't play believe it is until

[Interviewer or Show Host]

I hear him apologize to Barack Obama and Michelle Obama for all of that racist shit he did. He's never not buying it. And I'm stuck in controlled opposition.

[Hasan Piker]

Yeah.

[Interviewer or Show Host]

As the Republicans know, Trump is on the way out and they gotta pivot. Candace. Tucker, this whole thing is controlled opposition.

[Hasan Piker]

Yeah, no, I, I, I agree with you. So I have had this exact same conversation with Cenk on this exact same issue where he'll be like, well these guys are anti Israel. Like, you know, we need any ally we can get on our side. And I'm like, that's, these guys are not actually anti Israel. Like they are not, they're not tackling this issue from a, from a humanitarian perspective at all. I would say maybe with Tucker Carlson at least like his anti Israel perspective, regardless of the anti Semitism might genuinely be because he like saw so much carnage. And I think there are a lot of people who are just like, okay, this is too much. Right, sure. But it still doesn't matter because he, a lot of these people want to do Israel in America and that's what I get so frustrated by. Like Nick Fuentes is a neo Nazi white supremacist, Holocaust denier, Holocaust enjoyer even. And, and Nick Fuentes, his argument against Israel almost comes across like he's jealous, like he's like why, why do the Jews get to do this in Israel but us Christian whites, which you know, also in contention with Nicolas Fuentes. But he thinks he's a part of the in group, but he wants to do that in America. And same with Tucker Carlson. Tucker Carlson, I call him a WASP nationalist, a white Anglo Saxon Protestant nationalist. He wants to do an Israel style reactionary fascist country here in the United States of America for his chosen in group. These guys all want that.

[Co-host or Commentator]

Well, Candace Owens was White Lives Matter and George Floyd deserved it and all these different version of that, all these different things that showed no care of black or brown people in America. But I'm supposed to believe in earnest that you truly care about the well being of black and brown people overseas without there being any sort of agenda there. I'm sorry, it's hard for me to believe.

[Hasan Piker]

That's exactly my point. You're nailing it. That is precisely what I believe as well, because it's like if you don't have a humanitarian foundation in your worldview where you want to uplift people, then it kind of comes across as hollow. If I. Because like, Tucker Carlson, every week we're hearing make really good points against very powerful people. And he's getting.

[Interviewer or Show Host]

I mean, in the clip economy.

[Hasan Piker]

Yeah, in the clip economy. Right, exactly.

[Co-host or Commentator]

Like, big out there in the clip.

[Interviewer or Show Host]

We see clips all the time.

[Hasan Piker]

Yeah. He's cooking Mike Huckabee, and everyone's like, oh, my God, he's popping off. Right. But then if you scratch the surface, like, every other week, he's got like a. Like a white supremacist on the show, and they're talking about how, like, you know, the great replacement is happening in the United States of America. And, like, we got to put an end to it.

[Co-host or Commentator]

We got to make sure Fuentes on the show. Right?

[Hasan Piker]

Yeah, he has had Fuentes on the show. Now he says he had Fuentes on the show so he could oppose Nick Fuentes. His worldview. Right. That's his argument for it. But he didn't really offer a lot of pushback to Nick Fuentes on a lot of these key issues. He's had other Holocaust revisionist historians on the show. He plays fast and loose with that stuff on purpose, and so does Candace. No, Candace doesn't play fast and loose. She's just fast. She. She's just all the way.

[Co-host or Commentator]

It's all Myron Gaines, who we know loves the Holocaust. She has him on platforms. Him.

[Interviewer or Show Host]

I just learned who Myron was a few weeks ago.

[Hasan Piker]

Oh, you know who fresh and fit was that?

[Interviewer or Show Host]

Yeah, no, no, I knew him. I knew his face from yelling at some strippers.

[Hasan Piker]

Oh, yeah? Yeah.

[Interviewer or Show Host]

And the world was like, why is this goofy yelling at strippers?

[Co-host or Commentator]

That was there. That's what got them.

[Interviewer or Show Host]

I didn't. I didn't know.

[Co-host or Commentator]

I don't know if they were strippers. You, bro. Oh, they were just like.

[Hasan Piker]

I think maybe they were only fans. Girls.

[Co-host or Commentator]

Like, only fans.

[Interviewer or Show Host]

My bad. Scantily clad individuals.

[Co-host or Commentator]

Yeah. That's how the brand started. And it's evolved into now and then.

[Interviewer or Show Host]

People were yelling at me, you don't know who Myron is. I was like, I don't know.

[Hasan Piker]

I shot by that, too. He's a. He's. I mean, he has some notoriety, at least. He's not. He doesn't have a lot of motion, but he.

[Interviewer or Show Host]

Bro. I'm tell you how out of the algo I am. It took Charlie Kirk getting murdered. Okay. And the Yankees at Yankee Stadium doing a moment of silence. For me to understand how big Charlie Kirk was. But he was, and that was after he died.

[Hasan Piker]

He wasn't even that big. They were just hyping his, they were.

[Interviewer or Show Host]

Wait, he's so, Wait, what?

[Co-host or Commentator]

You don't think his numbers were actually that big?

[Hasan Piker]

Nah, he wasn't.

[Interviewer or Show Host]

John Blaze is what he said.

[Hasan Piker]

No, I, here's the thing about Charlie. I've known Charlie for years. I debated him many times. I was supposed to debate him two weeks after he got shot and killed. We were supposed to debate at Dartmouth University. Obviously, that got canceled. But I, I, I've tracked his career, just like with Candace Owens, for, for a very long time. And his starting point was Foster Freeze. He went to Foster Freeze in Chicago. Wealthy guy that his father knew and begged him for money to start. Basically like aipac, but for conservatism in student elections, in high schools and in college campuses. And his whole thing was going to wealthy Republican donors and convincing them that he was actually turning young people Republican. That failed spectacularly for years and years and years. Only until the Twitter purchase. Only until Twitter was being blocked by the Democrats and potentially being sold. That's when Twitter changed the algorithm, tweaked the algorithm in favor of Donald Trump, and that's when Charlie Clerk actually started blowing up amongst the youth. So it was a relatively new phenomena that people knew who Charlie Kirk was. In my age group before then, people didn't know who he was at all.

[Co-host or Commentator]

But he was. But at the end, when he was assassin, when he was murdered, you do think he was pretty big at that point? No, he hadn't seen it. I'd seen a lot of.

[Hasan Piker]

Yeah, that was the last, like, Did I say Twitter being sold? I meant TikTok. Yeah, TikTok. Algorithmic boost that gave him real credibility for the first time ever. Like, real audiences for the first time.

[Co-host or Commentator]

Did you guys talk offline as well?

[Hasan Piker]

Not really.

[Co-host or Commentator]

So your interactions were in public forums?

[Hasan Piker]

Yeah, I mean, we have some, like, private DMs that go back to, like, last time I talked to him, private was like, 2017.

[Co-host or Commentator]

Did you get anything from the debates with him? Did you find there to be any value in those conversations?

[Hasan Piker]

I mean, there's always value in attacking your opposition and showing people, like, how to handle conversations like that. But beyond that, there was no, like, oh, we came to an agreement on anything, of course. You know, I don't think that stuff. It works that way.

[Interviewer or Show Host]

Wow, man, this has been a great combo.

[Hasan Piker]

Oh, thank you.

[Co-host or Commentator]

Is there anything else that, like, so

[Interviewer or Show Host]

it's been a pleasure having You. I, I wasn't sure where today was gonna go and we're not done. I just wanted to kind of reset, you know, because I wasn't sure where today was gonna go really. You're a seemingly nice fellow, but you're

[Co-host or Commentator]

also a proud dick. You've said that too. Or proud asshole.

[Interviewer or Show Host]

But, but we're like minded in that regard. Like I, you know, my, I'm clearly nowhere near as politically driven as you. I'm more at a macro 30,000 foot view of white supremacy, Nazis and you know, elites and billionaires just taking advantage of poor people and making them think that there's actual problem amongst themselves when really they're just creating noise so that we can kill each other and they can make.

[Co-host or Commentator]

And that's sort of your main belief system.

[Hasan Piker]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, it is. Yeah. It's not left versus right, it's up versus down. You know, that's, that's pretty easy way to look at it. I agree with it.

[Interviewer or Show Host]

Yeah. I mean it's layman, but I think for the average person it's, it's good to always have that light bulb on.

[Hasan Piker]

Yeah.

[Interviewer or Show Host]

To follow the money and figure out who's making money here. Because even in the, when you guys were having the conversation about Israel and Hamas, you, Rosenberg and I have always talked about Netanyahu funding Hamas and making sure that the people in Gaza never connected with the people in the west bank so they could have any kind of Palestinian solidarity and create some sort of foothold and, and, and, and really try to, you know, create a, something humane for themselves if possible.

[Hasan Piker]

Well, the Palestinians are pulled on this stuff pretty frequently and the West Bank Palestinians are actually more pro Hamas than the Gaza Palestine Palestinians are.

[Co-host or Commentator]

Why is that, you think?

[Hasan Piker]

Oh, it's because. Well, two reasons. One, because they don't like exist in, under the Hamas governance. They exist under Palestinian Authority. And Palestinian Authority is Israel. It's Israel with a Palestinian face. It's a, it's a part of the Israeli security apparatus. They play a formative role in the hostage and kidnapping operations against like the, the Janine Brigades, for example, that are engaging in the legal right to resist against the illegal Israeli occupation. So they, they collaborate with the Israeli military and they, they are also, they're, they're seen as collaborators basically. Whereas Hamas will use its militancy to defend the, the West Bank. Palestinians usually like the, all of the, all of the missile lobbing that they used to engage in where like Israel will then turn around and do like Operation Castlet and different kinds of sieges. In Gaza, they all get triggered because Israel will stop Palestinians in the west bank from, from going to the mosque during Ramadan. And then Hamas will be like, don't do that. If you do that, we're going to punish you. And then they lob missiles and then Israel, you know, lobs 2,000 pound bombs that destroy buildings. That's usually been the same.

[Co-host or Commentator]

It's a great system. It's been working great for a long time.

[Interviewer or Show Host]

So we were just screaming, we were just screaming the other day on the program because I was like, with great power comes great responsibility. And Israel's botched it. Like completely botched it. Yeah, like, and America has botched it. Like, it's, it's, it's completely botched.

[Hasan Piker]

And even with Iran, I mean, look at what's going on right now. We, we got. The Brent crude is $115 a barrel. And I speculate that that is actually way underpriced currently for what it's supposed to be. There hasn't been the same, you know, hundred tankers that transit through the Strait of Hormuz that you normally get. And yet. And the reason for that is because we decided to get goaded into finally attacking Iran through perfidy in the negotiations process and assassinate its entire leadership structure and force their hand into closing the Strait of Hormuz, something that they hadn't done in 47 years.

[Co-host or Commentator]

We literally hustled backwards is what you're saying.

[Hasan Piker]

Yeah, 100%.

[Interviewer or Show Host]

And now we're negotiating terms. Well, I use the word we, Trump and him are negotiating terms that are worse than what Obama had.

[Hasan Piker]

Yeah. So I have a lot of criticisms of Barack Obama, but that was a foreign policy accomplishment that I think was one of his best. That and the Cuban normalization. And Trump, of course, destroyed both of them. And the reason why he destroyed it was because Israel didn't want it. That's why Benjamin Netanyahu came and gave a joint session to Congress when Obama was president in the aftermath of the jcpoa. Chuck Schumer, big Benjamin Netanyahu fan, hated Barack Obama's jcpoa. It was very critical of it. Now he's the supposed leader of the Democratic Party in the Senate like these guys are.

[Co-host or Commentator]

But why would Trump want to do what Netanyahu wants to do?

[Hasan Piker]

Money.

[Co-host or Commentator]

Just so it's a. What's the play there, though?

[Hasan Piker]

Sheldon Adelson, rest in piss, gave Donald Trump $250 million.

[Interviewer or Show Host]

That's the owner of the Mavericks.

[Co-host or Commentator]

Well, her husband.

[Hasan Piker]

Husband, yeah, he's dead now, but now Miriam is carrying the torch.

[Co-host or Commentator]

So it's just. So there are enough Israel crazy money people to make it very worth Trump's while. Because obviously it has nothing to do with him caring about the well being of Israel. That's certainly. No one could make that argument.

[Hasan Piker]

I mean, he might be like, there's

[Interviewer or Show Host]

a, there's a. Jared cares about the well being of Israel.

[Hasan Piker]

Yeah, I think he does. Yeah.

[Interviewer or Show Host]

There's, there's, or he cares about the money more.

[Hasan Piker]

I think he cares about the money the most. But I'm sure there's like some ideological commitment to Israel as well from Jared's perspective, from Witkoff's perspective as well. Like, there's a, there's a term for it. I keep forgetting what it's called, but I think it's called helpers. In, in, like Israeli journalism. They'll, they'll consider certain people assets that aren't directly connected to the Israeli state. So they're just like fellow travelers or like loyal to, like, they, they will factor in Israel's best interest in their decision making when they, when they do these sorts of negotiations in ways that like the Israeli hostage negotiators would not. Right. Like, even I think it was. Daniel Levy is a famous one where he'll, he's a lot more critical of Israel than like Jared Kushner. Jared Kushner is. He wants money, but he also does care a little bit and is willing to, like, sully deals at the behest of Israel, in my opinion.

[Co-host or Commentator]

I just understand anyone who, quote, unquote, had, have any care for the well being of Israel would think anything that's going on and has been going on is going to lead ultimately to Israel being in a safe space or even

[Interviewer or Show Host]

deeper, Jewish safety of Jews.

[Co-host or Commentator]

But they obviously don't care about that. They obviously don't care about worldwide safety of Jewish.

[Interviewer or Show Host]

You think that they're, they, all they care about is Israel.

[Co-host or Commentator]

Now, if you, how could they think that?

[Interviewer or Show Host]

No, I'm just asking.

[Co-host or Commentator]

Yeah, no, I'm rhetorically asking back. How could they reasonably believe that American Jews are safer today because of what has happened over the last three years?

[Interviewer or Show Host]

But that right there is the crux of why I keep asking and we talk about, on the program and other Jewish people I talk to who, you know, want to keep Israel in their mind of how they were raised as a, as a safe haven for Jews. Does it feel safer today? Do you feel safer today? Because if, if that's been squandered, what are we talking about?

[Hasan Piker]

Yeah, I mean, that's Just marketing the whole concept that, like, Israel is a safe place for Jews and if it doesn't exist, Jews are going to be under imminent threat. Like, that's, it's a way to justify the existence of Israel. But the real reason is so that there is a, is a, you know, colonial outposts in this resource region. Yeah, that's what, and I mean, that's the, that's the assessment of like, a lot of the Western states. And Mertz, I believe the Chancellor of Germany was pretty open about it a couple months back where he's like, israel's doing our dirty work for us. Right. Like, these guys think that, you know, Islam is a scourge, that Muslims are barbaric, they have to be put down militarily. They felt the exact same way about black people in Africa as well. It's, it's a colonial operation. It's got a new varnish, a new patina on it because, like, now we live in the modern world in 2026. But, you know, it's, it's still siege warfare. It's still no different than the, the colonial rape of Africa in many respects. And, and, you know, technological improvements have made it so that we can see it in real time, but it's also made this process more, much more insidious and, and much more efficient as well.

[Co-host or Commentator]

It's just, I'm still amazed at the level of, like, heartbreak and irony to think that there could be nothing more like maniacal and evil than using the experience of Jews in the Holocaust to market doing similar things to other people.

[Hasan Piker]

Yeah.

[Co-host or Commentator]

Is about as cruel and ironic as a child of, you know, someone who was born in a displaced person's camp in Germany, whose family was ravaged in the, in the Holocaust. Could you be any more disrespectful to the memory of those people? I mean, to use it as marketing to harm others. It's a crazy thing.

[Hasan Piker]

There's been extensive writing on this as well. The attitude of Zionists towards Holocaust victims.

[Co-host or Commentator]

I've just started reading this. I did not know.

[Hasan Piker]

Yeah.

[Co-host or Commentator]

And you, and you have you read, you've read extensively on this negativity towards Holocaust victims.

[Hasan Piker]

Yes.

[Co-host or Commentator]

Have you heard about this?

[Interviewer or Show Host]

First time right now.

[Hasan Piker]

So Holocaust survivors in Israel are mistreated in general. They're very, you know, they're in impoverished conditions across the board.

[Co-host or Commentator]

But outside of that, the money was stolen. That was supposed to be. The reparations were supposedly not given to actual Holocaust survivors. Israel was taking it and being like, no, no, thank you for that.

[Interviewer or Show Host]

You know, that's like, well, white people did to Native Americans here, you know that.

[Co-host or Commentator]

Well, that doesn't, that's not even.

[Interviewer or Show Host]

Yeah, but I'm just saying it's a pattern. The colonial. Same thing.

[Hasan Piker]

Yeah, so there's that, but then there's also this concept that like these people were weak, that they were no longer are we the Jews with trembling knees. Is the, is the primary attitude of Zionism where we are now lions, like we are armed, we're militant, we're dangerous, were deadly. Because never again doesn't mean never again for everyone. Never again means never again for Jews. This is Meir Kahane's attitude on never again. And it's very interesting that that attitude used to be an extreme edge case even in Israeli society for the most part. I mean he was. Itamar Ben GVIR was considered a dangerous terrorist, too radical to join the idf, right. By the Israeli government standards. And now, and now, and now he's a national security guy. And not only that, but yeah, he is. His, his movement is, has grown tremendously and it's grown in popularity tremendously in Israel and people are becoming more and more radicalized, moving further and further. Right. And you know, getting very comfortable with Jewish.

[Co-host or Commentator]

Is there any hope there in your eyes, is there any hope to turn this around?

[Hasan Piker]

There's always a way to turn this around. But there has to be some powerful force that's forcing Israel, bringing Israel to heal and forcing Israel to rehabilitate and change the way that it's operated. It's not going to happen without America saying you're done, it's enough. Apartheid, South Africa style. We're coming in Truth and Reconciliation Committee reparations, right. To return for Palestinians and you're gonna be a secular, solitary, singular state.

[Interviewer or Show Host]

If you want our support, yeah, it

[Hasan Piker]

like we can, we can start off with like a binational commitment if you want, but eventually like it has to be that way because people talk about the two state, right? I used to be a two stater myself when I was growing up. I, I was somewhat naive. I didn't realize that like the settler colonial operations had, had created a non contiguous state for Palestinians in the west bank and occupied West Territory. Occupied Palestinian territory where 750,000 Jews now live in these, in these settlements. What do you do if you, if you have a two state. What do you do with 750,000 Jews now living in the West Bank? Do you force the, do you forcibly kick him out at gunpoint? How are you going to do that? Right? That's why I talk about like so

[Co-host or Commentator]

one state, equal rights for everybody. You all have to figure it out.

[Hasan Piker]

Because one state already exists. Right. This is, and, and this is not even just my assessment. There are some people, Ezra Klein interviewed these two guys, I forget their names now, but they wrote one sovereign state. And it's true. There is a de facto sovereign state there. It's called Israel. It's an apartheid state. It has an open air prison that it operates, that it hermetically seals in Gaza, that it did a genocide in. And, and has militarily occupied more than 50% of its territory on top of the, the historic allotment that was the Gaza Strip. And then you have the occupied west bank where Israel is militarily occupying the west bank and has created this bureaucratic nightmare where, where they arm these settlers, these extremists. Unbelievably right wing extremists. The Jewish clan, basically.

[Interviewer or Show Host]

From Long Island.

[Hasan Piker]

Yeah.

[Co-host or Commentator]

By the way, some of them. Yeah.

[Interviewer or Show Host]

Show up from like Teaneck, New Jersey.

[Hasan Piker]

Exactly. And they, and they go out there and, and they take people's homes by force. They spray paint a Sara David on the side of a Palestinian villager's home. And that means at night they're going to come in with Molotov cocktails and they're going to light your house on fire. And everybody knows this in the West Bank. So they do these pogroms and they forcibly purged these Palestinian villages of its occupants. These indigenous population has lived there for hundreds of years. They do it with the directive and the support of the Israeli occupying forces. And, and they kill a whole bunch of Palestinians in the process and then they rebuild their own settlements on top of it. And the Israeli government knows this and, and totally supports it. So how do you, how do you have a two state in that system? Right. Like it's just not happening. So someone has to not only restrain Israel, but then also hold Israel accountable. Force them to actually, you know, get to the 21st century to be a, you know, liberal, secular, liberal democracy that

[Co-host or Commentator]

it's supposed to, that was.

[Hasan Piker]

Yeah.

[Co-host or Commentator]

That it was supposed to be.

[Hasan Piker]

Supposed to be. Right, exactly. So that's, that's my argument and I think it's a fairly defensible position.

[Interviewer or Show Host]

But, but it's going to take elections here in the United States electing people who have similar ideas, ideals and a long vision to get to some sort of solution here.

[Co-host or Commentator]

Because who are the biggest ones that you're supporting in that regard?

[Hasan Piker]

There's a lot of great candidates that are running this time around. I, I do Feel pretty hopeful, obviously. Abdullah said in Michigan. Graham Platner in Maine is fantastic. He's had, he had a lot of red flags, but he has been. Yeah, he's. Yeah, the totem cough tattoo.

[Co-host or Commentator]

But what does that one mean again?

[Hasan Piker]

The totem cop tattoo. It's the, it's the, the Nazi.

[Co-host or Commentator]

Oh, the actual. Oh, yeah, yeah. What was the, what was. Oh, because he used to be. Well, a bad guy.

[Hasan Piker]

He wasn't a Nazi, I don't think, but he was like, he was a grunt. He was a machine gunner for the Marines, and he did four tours and he even served in Blackwater, which I think is even crazier than that. But, yeah, his, his explanation is that he, he got this like, cool skull and bones tattoo, not realizing what it was in, in Croatia when they were on shore leave. Croatia's very right wing, let's say, so it's not surprising.

[Co-host or Commentator]

But you believe, you believe his turn? Because I've seen.

[Hasan Piker]

Oh, yeah, I think he's.

[Interviewer or Show Host]

I think so. You don't think he's like a Manchurian Candidate?

[Hasan Piker]

Well, one day they're gonna flip the

[Interviewer or Show Host]

switch and he's gonna be on the inside. No, he's not John Fetterman.

[Hasan Piker]

No, I, I think he's definitely not like John Fetterman for sure. But. But that was the fear. But I mean, he. The Mainers love him. They love the guy. And we're not talking about, like young Mainers who are radicals or anything. We're talking about 65 year olds, 75 year olds. They go to all his town halls. They love everything that he's saying. And what he's saying is not that different from what Bernie Sanders has said for many, many years, if not even more radical than Bernie Sanders on the issue of Israel, which I of course appreciate. So he's great, fantastic communicator.

[Interviewer or Show Host]

Great. Slash. Red flags.

[Hasan Piker]

Well, he has red flags for sure in his background. But, you know.

[Co-host or Commentator]

But you believe in who he.

[Hasan Piker]

Yeah, but I believe in his change, genuinely. And then on top of that, I mean, there's Oliver Larkin in Florida. He's trying to primary Moskowitz, who is one of the most right wing Democrats we have on our foreign policy. He has said he is to the right of Marco Rubio. Right. So that's going to be an interesting

[Co-host or Commentator]

wild thing to say.

[Interviewer or Show Host]

You're a Democrat.

[Co-host or Commentator]

That's a wild thing to say as a Democrat.

[Hasan Piker]

It's a very wild boy. It's Boca Raton, which has become.

[Co-host or Commentator]

He.

[Hasan Piker]

So what does it become?

[Co-host or Commentator]

Trumplandia?

[Hasan Piker]

It's Trumplandia. There's a lot of. I think it might be the district that has the highest, like, Israeli dual citizens per capita in the United States. Even though that's the case, they. They pull the stuff. They pull like the issue of Israel, even in that district. And it's.

[Interviewer or Show Host]

It's.

[Hasan Piker]

It's gone for Democrats. It's over. You know what I mean? It's crazy. So Jared Moskowitz is. Is another one that I think is really.

[Co-host or Commentator]

You're saying in that it. What do you mean it's gone.

[Hasan Piker]

Support for Israel.

[Co-host or Commentator]

You mean, even. Even in a place where they have a lot of Israelis, a lot of Jews.

[Hasan Piker]

Yeah.

[Co-host or Commentator]

They've still lost it.

[Hasan Piker]

Yeah, It's. It's. It's so over. Like, I mean, there are some, like, people talk about Anna Lily Amejia's performance in New Jersey, right? They're like, there's obviously two major Jewish enclaves in her district. And she actually underperformed. She overperformed everywhere else in comparison to where the Democratic base is. She did better than Kamala and better than previous special elections or primaries. But she underperformed in these two major Jewish districts, right? Yeah. She underperformed by like, what, three points? That means that even in these, like, ultra Orthodox communities. Right? And primarily Jewish communities, like 45% of the Jews that were living there were like. No, that's. I like what she's saying about Israel doing a genocide.

[Co-host or Commentator]

You know how this. Back to your point. Ibro. You know how bad you have to be doing with that level of indoctrination we've all had from the time we were kids. You know how bad you have to be doing to be turning the population that much.

[Interviewer or Show Host]

I told you what my mom like that we were. My mom was out after Itzhak Rabin. My mom was like, these people are white supremacist racists. Then. So some listen. And there are.

[Hasan Piker]

They were to be fair.

[Interviewer or Show Host]

And my mom.

[Co-host or Commentator]

Oh yeah, the people who killed Rob Beanworth. But same thing. They're now the people in power.

[Hasan Piker]

Literally had the. The hubcap or of his car and was like, we have. We can get to your car this week. Next week we can get to you. And then next week they shot and killed him.

[Co-host or Commentator]

And then. And then they'd have a party every year to celebrate his assassination.

[Interviewer or Show Host]

Well, but. But also it should be noted that there are many Jews who are not pro Israel.

[Co-host or Commentator]

Real.

[Interviewer or Show Host]

Like that should be of no worries. Yeah, but you say of course. But you have to realize in a. In a worldwide population of 13 million Jews. Many people talk about Jews like they know them. There's a lot of people who don't know Jewish people.

[Hasan Piker]

Yeah.

[Interviewer or Show Host]

At all.

[Hasan Piker]

Yeah.

[Co-host or Commentator]

You're a big baller in West Hollywood now, you know what I'm saying?

[Hasan Piker]

Yeah, No, I know you're a friend of the Jews. And not only that. Yeah. But also like, I have a lot of friends here in New York. Look, I'm a socialist, right.

[Co-host or Commentator]

You know, mad Jews, like we're out here.

[Hasan Piker]

Exactly. That's why it's so funny where people would be like, oh, this guy's anti Semitic. I'm like, what the fuck are you talking about? I'm basically a Judeo Bolshevik.

[Co-host or Commentator]

Right, right, right. I'm sure if I looked at your friend group, I'm sure it would really go against that. Yeah.

[Hasan Piker]

And you should hear the way they talk about Israel.

[Co-host or Commentator]

Well, no, you're gonna get the real talk from the people who are the most frustrated and upset by it. People can't understand the dichotomy of being like, I'm disgusted and I'm a proud Jew and I have people I love in Israel and worry about their well being. All of these things can all exist and it's like not that complex. But people don't get well because.

[Interviewer or Show Host]

And it's even more bizarre because we're the same here in the United States.

[Co-host or Commentator]

Right.

[Interviewer or Show Host]

We shit on America constantly.

[Hasan Piker]

Yeah, but they hate when I do that too. That's the thing.

[Co-host or Commentator]

Are you not technically. Are you American or.

[Hasan Piker]

No, I am American citizen.

[Interviewer or Show Host]

So that. But you're new, so.

[Hasan Piker]

Yeah.

[Co-host or Commentator]

They ever really count you?

[Hasan Piker]

I was, I was natural born. Thank God. Because I was a. I'm a native American. I was.

[Co-host or Commentator]

But you were. But they were. You were born here and then left.

[Hasan Piker]

Yeah.

[Co-host or Commentator]

Oh, God.

[Hasan Piker]

Okay, yeah, not Native American, but I was born on us, so.

[Co-host or Commentator]

Right.

[Hasan Piker]

So whatever.

[Interviewer or Show Host]

Are they going to clip that one?

[Co-host or Commentator]

Yeah.

[Interviewer or Show Host]

Hasan piker.

[Hasan Piker]

That's like, that is a very white guy thing to do. That's the most American thing I could do. Oh, I'm native.

[Co-host or Commentator]

I'm a native American.

[Hasan Piker]

Yeah. I'm like, I'm like part 18 Cherokee. Shout out Elizabeth Warren. But what I was saying is they get mad at me on that too. I'm like, listen, like, what I'm seeing happening in Israel is in some ways our current present in America, but it's also our future. Right. And so my assessment on America, what America is doing is not that different from what Israel is doing both because we are supporting Israel.

[Co-host or Commentator]

Right. But you're American and you're not Jewish. So people take it.

[Hasan Piker]

They get.

[Co-host or Commentator]

Because they've conflated Jewish and Israel.

[Hasan Piker]

I know, but they did that.

[Interviewer or Show Host]

But remember, that was done on purpose.

[Co-host or Commentator]

That's not on purpose. Purpose.

[Hasan Piker]

Right. But also, people say I'm not American either, is my point. Of course, they say, oh, you're anti Semitic because you're criticizing Israel and you're anti American and you're not real American. You're a terrorist because you're criticizing America.

[Interviewer or Show Host]

Well. And your name's Hassan.

[Hasan Piker]

Well, that's what I mean. Exactly.

[Interviewer or Show Host]

Hang on, Hassan. Yo, everybody out there that's watching right now on the live. You can watch the rest of the convo. We're going to continue on YouTube. Make sure you like, share, subscribe and all the things to the ELR show he brought bro. Laura Rosenberg show more Hasan Piker on YouTube right after this.

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