94.) Hip-Hop Media Power Ranking Beef + Rosenberg's Dad On The Patreon (5/6/26)

Summary

The Ebro, Laura, Rosenberg Show – Episode 94

Hip-Hop Media Power Ranking Beef + Rosenberg's Dad On The Patreon
Date: May 6, 2026

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Episode Overview

In this episode, Ebro Darden, Laura Stylez, and Peter Rosenberg dive into the controversial Complex Hip-Hop Media Power Rankings, dissecting the ecosystem of hip-hop media, "algo hustling," and the legitimacy of power in today's digital landscape. The conversation is lively and layered, with strong opinions on who should (and shouldn’t) be considered powerful voices in hip-hop culture. The trio also takes calls from listeners about how hip-hop media operates, debate the true impact of figures like DJ Akademiks, and discuss their place in the conversation. Other key topics include current news rundowns (Stefon Diggs' legal saga, Cardi B's ongoing legal beef, TI's new tour), generational differences in parenting, and relationship advice for successful women. They wrap with classic banter, humorous listener interactions, and some sharp media self-reflection.

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Key Segments & Discussion Points

1. Patreon Teaser – Rosenberg's Dad on the Israel Conversation

[02:00-05:00]

• New Patreon episode announced, featuring Rosenberg’s father (MJ Rosenberg) for in-depth discussion on Israel, Zionism, DNA, and Middle East history.
• Peter Rosenberg: “I thought it was our most in depth… break down the Israel stuff in a really whole way that we’ve done in a while.” [02:07]
• The group notes Laura asks insightful, accessible beginner-level questions in the conversation, helping ground the complex topic for new listeners.
• Ebro Darden highlights: MJ Rosenberg lost his job and retirement due to his opinions, exemplifying “someone who was actually canceled.” [04:43]

Notable Quote:

“I forgot that he was literally... lost his job, lost his retirement. 'We don’t like your opinion, you don’t have a livelihood anymore.'” — Ebro Darden [04:43]

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2. Avoidance, Tough Conversations, & Stephen A. Smith Politics

[05:19-17:26]

• Rosenberg reflects on his and his father’s avoidant tendencies when facing confrontation.
• The hosts discuss Stephen A. Smith’s recent politics, referencing Ebro’s “soft-shoeing for the right” critique and texting drama.
• Debate over whether these criticisms are personal, strategic, or reflective of larger media play, tied into social media algorithms and public discourse.
• Peter Rosenberg: “I do not agree with Stephen, but I don’t think his intentions are to do anything but give his opinions.” [16:31]
• Extended debate on whether Ebro should address grievances with Stephen A. offline or on-air. Ebro shares that they already have.

Notable Quotes:

“Don’t be avoidant. You need to reach out and have a conversation.” — Peter Rosenberg [07:24]
“You’re acting like you’re speaking on behalf of the larger group of black people all the time… you’re actually acting like you’re knowledgeable…and you’re just not.” — Ebro Darden [11:36]

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3. Hip-Hop Media Power Rankings & The Algo Hustle

[17:26-29:42]

• The crew reacts to Complex’s new Hip-Hop Media Power Rankings, which placed DJ Akademiks at #1 and Ebro at #9, sparking heated debate over legitimacy, “rage-baiting,” and what qualifies as influence in the space.
• Peter Rosenberg questions why media props up lists that center controversy-mongers:
  “Every time we prop up this thing … we are legitimizing the idea that this is what the top of hip-hop media looks like.” [21:04]
• Discussion shifts to what the lists really measure (engagement, views, social media interaction), the dominance of the “algo hustle,” and the dilution of real journalism by click-driven content.
• Ebro acknowledges their own participation in the system but insists not everyone in the conversation has impact or credible contributions:
  “There’s people in there who are doing real great work... there are some problems.” [25:11]
• Comparison to previous eras (Wendy Williams, MediaTakeOut, The Source lists) demonstrates the cyclical nature of salacious over substance in media coverage.

Notable Quotes:

“But like... most of it is not about culture growth. It’s about sucking the juice out of it in the worst way possible.” — Peter Rosenberg [26:26]
“The problem really is... what we call media or what...the consumer pays attention to.” — Ebro Darden [27:05]

Algo Hustle Take:

“Artists are making more money podcasting and streaming than they are making music, bro. Like… it’s upside down. I didn’t make the rules, but damn it, I’m in the game. And you know me, if I’m a suit up, every day I come... I’m coming to play.” — Ebro Darden [29:08]

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4. Listener Calls – The Academiks Effect & Hip-Hop Media Audiences

[30:44-34:58]

• A listener calls in to share she’d never heard of Akademiks until Ebro, Laura, and Rosenberg discussed him—questioning whether amplifying his content only feeds his profile.
• Ebro highlights the segmentation of audiences:
  “The world’s a very big place... His audience ain’t checking out this show.” [32:01]
• The group acknowledges the mutual but siloed promo between platforms, ultimately conceding it’s all part of the algorithmic cycle, for better or worse.
• The trio reflects: Is their show content creation or traditional radio? Distinction is blurred—Rosenberg resists being labeled a “content creator” chasing clips, preferring classic radio craft.

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5. Rundown: Stefon Diggs, Cardi B vs. Tasha K, and TI’s Family Tour

[41:07-53:34]

Stefon Diggs’ Legal Drama

[41:07-45:04]

• Breakdown of Stefon Diggs’ exoneration in a chef assault case, highlighting messy court testimony and allegations of attempted financial settlement.
• Peter Rosenberg on the chef’s cross-examination: “I was looking at her eyes—she’s an idiot, bro. She didn’t have it.” [44:33]
• The crew jokes about Diggs’ personal chaos—multiple kids, messy life, and questionable decision-making.

Cardi B vs. Tasha K Update

[47:37-48:38]

• Cardi B returns to court against Tasha K for new disparagements, risking an even greater financial hit for the blogger.
• Ebro Darden: “Don’t mess with Cardi, bro. I know she is petty and she got a song about it.” [50:43]

TI’s King Succession Tour

[51:06-53:38]

• Announcement of TI’s family tour with sons King & Damani.
• Conversation on large families within culture, generational dynamics, and the struggle to give each child attention.

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6. Parenting, Changing Kids, and Generational Gaps

[53:39-56:57]

• Candid discussion of raising teens and young adults in a world less social and more digital, contrasting with their own wilder youth.
• Laura on her goddaughter: “All she does is smoke weed, gets straight A’s, and occasionally wants to go to concerts. Other than that, she just wants to stay home.” [56:26]
• Reflections on how shifts post-pandemic and city living create new realities for today's youth.

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7. Breaking News: US-Iran Deal Analysis

[57:05-61:00]

• Ebro delivers a monologue on the U.S. and Iran nearing a “new” nuclear deal—arguing it essentially replicates Obama’s original accord, with the intervening years and deaths rendered meaningless.
• He theorizes this geopolitical back-and-forth benefits defense contractors and diverts attention from on-ground events elsewhere.
• Peter Rosenberg: “This is way better than your theory on Stefon Diggs’ cook.” [60:05]

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8. Relationship Gurus: Why Are Men Intimidated By Successful Women?

[62:30-70:31]

• Email from a successful Brooklyn woman: Why do stable, supportive women often drive men away?
• Peter Rosenberg is blunt: “You’re picking losers... maybe you want to be the top dog and as a result, you’re creating this dynamic that isn’t working for you.” [67:09]
• Ebro: “If you come across somebody that is more financially... stable... [they’re] looking for you to provide them good times in ways that they don’t have.” [69:37]
• The gurus recommend better selection and looking beyond material status for lasting connections.

Notable Guru Quote:

“Respectfully, this isn’t about who you are and what you do. This is about who you pick, in my opinion.” — Peter Rosenberg [68:27]

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• “Playing radio shows were content creators.” — Ebro Darden [35:24]
• “Every day I come... I’m coming to play.” — Ebro Darden [29:08]
• “I'm not into content creation... I'm into doing radio shows and this is the place where we do our radio show and we're doing it so well.” — Peter Rosenberg [35:13]
• “If I did that consistently... I could find my way back onto the bullish Complex list.” — Peter Rosenberg [27:49]
• “It’s all algo hustle.” — Ebro Darden [24:57]

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The ELR Show’s Signature Themes & Tone

• No holds barred critique: No one is spared—each host will call out trends, figures, and even their own participation in problematic systems.
• Chemistry & Playfulness: From dealing with tough political confrontations to discussing family and fans, the trio keeps things unfiltered but engaging.
• Community engagement: Listeners’ calls and interactive chats keep the debates grounded and relatable.
• Meta-media commentary: The “show about the show” is always running—are they radio hosts, content creators, politicians, or hip-hop tastemakers?

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Timestamps for Major Segments

• [02:00] - Patreon preview: Rosenberg’s Dad on Israel/Palestine
• [05:19] - Avoidance, confrontation, and generational differences
• [07:22] - Stephen A. Smith offline/on-air disagreement
• [17:26] - Hip-Hop Media Power Rankings, Complex vs. Ak/Ebro
• [32:22] - Listener: Should you even amplify Akademiks?
• [41:07] - Rundown: Stefon Diggs’ legal case
• [47:37] - Cardi B vs. Tasha K legal saga
• [51:06] - TI’s "King Succession" tour with his kids
• [53:39] - Parenting, generational differences, and changing teen behaviors
• [57:05] - Breaking news: U.S.-Iran nuke deal analysis
• [62:30] - Relationship email: Why are men intimidated by successful women?
• [70:31] - Superchat shoutouts, closing banter

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Final Thoughts

This episode typifies Ebro, Laura, and Rosenberg’s dynamic approach—deep cultural critique, honest media introspection, and plenty of humor and openness. The group grapples with what it means to be influential in an algorithm-driven media world without ceding their values or perspective. Their ability to blend hip-hop with social, political, and personal discourse remains as magnetic as ever.

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For More:

• Patreon: For Rosenberg’s dad’s deep dive on Israel, Zionism, and more
• X: @theelrshow
• TikTok: @ebrolaurarosenberg

(Summary curated in the tone and language of the show, with proper attributions and timestamps.)

Transcript

[Ebro Darden]

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[Laura Rosenberg]

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[Ebro Darden]

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[Laura Rosenberg]

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[Peter Rosenberg]

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[Ebro Darden]

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[Peter Rosenberg]

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[Ebro Darden]

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[Laura Rosenberg]

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[Ebro Darden]

Just don't call it a podcast. The Ebro Laura Rosenberg shows. Hey. Okay, what's happening over there? Ron Baske? You good? I heard something beeping.

[Peter Rosenberg]

An alarm went off. Don't worry. Big bass schemes got you. You know what I mean? You know what I mean?

[Ebro Darden]

Well, I'm worried. You said don't worry. I'm worried. As soon as you said don't worry, I got worried. T. Laura Rosenberg. Good morning, everybody. Thanks for locking in. Remember today there's a new Patreon that you could get where it's Rosenberg's dad and us.

[Laura Rosenberg]

That's right. M.J. rosenberg is our special guest.

[Peter Rosenberg]

My for like an hour and a half.

[Laura Rosenberg]

Yeah.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Really?

[Ebro Darden]

Really.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I thought was a. Would you say it's our most like in depth sort of like in the weeds. Break down the Israel stuff in like a really whole way that we've done in a while.

[Ebro Darden]

Okay, I'll play along with that. I don't. I didn't think about it that way. But.

[Peter Rosenberg]

But it's not playing along, I don't think. But like Laura's asking questions that are like sort of some good beginner questions because we pick up the conversation a lot.

[Laura Rosenberg]

Yeah.

[Peter Rosenberg]

As if people already know where we're at in the convo.

[Laura Rosenberg]

And I know a lot of people who just entered the chat with our show.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Correct. You know, and they hear the word Zionist and it's just like that's the word everyone uses. I think that means that you were.

[Ebro Darden]

Yeah, we got, we got into the Theodore Hersel of it all a little bit and the Netanyahu's of it all and the DNA. We even got into the DNA of it all with your dad.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah.

[Ebro Darden]

Your dad gets into African DNA talk with the, you know, and Arab DNA talk and the relation. All of that talk.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah. I mean, you know, Ebro's almost selling it. Like it's more like it's even deeper. Like he's like, we get into DNA and Theodore Herzl. Way to sell this thing. Make it sound sexy for the people.

[Ebro Darden]

Well, you say, but you know, if you want to know people, you said get into the weed. So I was trying to sell it,

[Peter Rosenberg]

but I thought it was a pretty easy to consume conversation about what's a pretty serious topic.

[Laura Rosenberg]

I agree, I agree, I agree. It was honestly, it was really good. Like I enjoyed it. The dad's awesome.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah. I was nervous at first for my dad. Cause I could tell he seemed a little nervous at first, but then I'd say like 15 minutes in.

[Laura Rosenberg]

Yeah.

[Ebro Darden]

He got relaxed. Yeah.

[Peter Rosenberg]

He loosened up. Yeah. Cause he hasn't done this. My dad hasn't done a whole lot of the public speaking on stuff.

[Laura Rosenberg]

Yeah.

[Peter Rosenberg]

In a while. And he used to do it all the time.

[Ebro Darden]

Well, it's interesting too, because he felt unsafe for a long time. Right. Like, I remember him telling me years ago that like, he's like, ah, he's just very. And I think because of his sub stack and because of like other things he's been doing, he's putting his foot

[Peter Rosenberg]

back in the water.

[Ebro Darden]

Yeah. And I also, you look, we live in a world where the Internet has a lot to say, you know, and it's tough to know what's real. What am I supposed to pay attention to? You know, what matters? Who matters? It's just noisy. And so if you're your dad and you were doing public speaking in the 70s, now all of a sudden it's this democracy democratized social media world of like, everyone has a voice. Things get momentum that are like absurd. Well.

[Peter Rosenberg]

And as you. As we kind of learned and I relearned and you guys learned in the Patreon, which comes out today. My dad, we found someone who was actually canceled. Yeah, it was my dad.

[Laura Rosenberg]

Yes.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I forgot that he was literally lost

[Ebro Darden]

his job, lost his retirement.

[Peter Rosenberg]

We don't like your opinion. You don't have a livelihood anymore.

[Ebro Darden]

Forgot like that and lost his retirement.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Did he say that?

[Ebro Darden]

Yes, he said I had to. I Had to leave the job before I could get my full retirement. He lost his retirement.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yo, I'm the one who should have paid attention.

[Ebro Darden]

Yes, that's my money, but that's your. Well, you're a privileged bastard.

[Laura Rosenberg]

He.

[Ebro Darden]

It was so y' all was so. You know, either you were in your own headspace doing whatever teenage boys do at the time.

[Peter Rosenberg]

No, no. This is like me in my early, early twenties. Yeah.

[Ebro Darden]

I'm running attention at all. And you didn't need to because your mom continued to work and they got their bills paid, right?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah. And he has his government retirement. He works for the government for a long time, but yeah, that he. I guess they got him out in time. But he also. My dad told me another really interesting thing about that I think is very telling of myself. So I find myself to be avoidant of, like, tough conversations at times.

[Laura Rosenberg]

Okay.

[Peter Rosenberg]

And my brother and I discussed that. We're both like that. And I'm not saying anybody loves having tough conversations.

[Ebro Darden]

Some people lean in, but I'm not one of them.

[Peter Rosenberg]

No, no, I avoid. Yeah, you know, I avoid them. I'm not into it. My dad told me a story off the air the other day about he got. When he got in trouble at one job. Oh, God. What was the line? What did he do? He did something crazy at one of his jobs. And I don't know how I'm forgetting what the thing was that happened. My wife would remember. And he got the let a fax or something came in from his boss. And my dad knew what he did was really bad. Yo. He tore it up and throw it in the garbage and never opened it. That's how avoidant he is of wanting to have an unpleasant conversation. He was like, yeah, no, I don't

[Ebro Darden]

need to read this.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I was like. He was like, they didn't fire me, though. I was like, but you didn't know what he even said.

[Ebro Darden]

And he's got a good point. Wow. And fire me, though. But anyway, that Patreon's out there today. Yes, you can go. You can definitely go check that out. Speaking of avoidant, you did a great job avoiding the Stephen A. When you of it all. When we were trying to bait you yesterday, I wanted to applaud.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I would love if you stopped doing that, by the way.

[Laura Rosenberg]

Come on.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Because. By the way. Because unless Apple has a job for me, I know when it all goes down, you're going to be. I know you. Your guilt will be in a bad spot. You'll be like, yo, you better figure this out. Bro, so if you, I'm in espn. You want to talk Stephen A's politics. I'm like, no, not no. And I really feel that you and Stephen A have a conversation, needs to have a conversation offline. And you may disagree, but I agree with him that y' all know each other well enough for long enough to have a conversation offline about.

[Ebro Darden]

We can absolutely have a conversation offline,

[Peter Rosenberg]

but I think that has to come from you. Don't, don't be avoidant. You need to reach out and have a conversation.

[Ebro Darden]

What do we have about what we disagree on? Play piece number nine.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I think that we could have the conversation on air.

[Laura Rosenberg]

Okay.

[Ebro Darden]

With Trump. Let it go. What you trying to put him in jail for? That's because he committed a crime, Steven. Yeah. When you falsify business records in order to cover up your hush money scandal, that's a crime and you can go to jail for that. All right, continue.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Trump ain't going after these people, man,

[Ebro Darden]

because of the election.

[Peter Rosenberg]

He going after these people because they

[Ebro Darden]

try to get him to spend the

[Peter Rosenberg]

rest of his life in fucking police prison.

[Ebro Darden]

He approaching 80 years older.

[Peter Rosenberg]

You tried to throw him behind bars.

[Ebro Darden]

Like I said before. That's because he committed a crime, Steven. In age does not matter in that sense. There was an 80 year old woman.

[Peter Rosenberg]

It's giving like Kevin Hart.

[Ebro Darden]

I'm enjoying it ran out. It was expired. You think they said, oh, you're 80 years old, don't worry about it. No, she went to jail.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Continue.

[Ebro Darden]

Y' all all know we all forfeit. We saw Trump at all events, we were all cool with him. We weren't calling them racist then. Safe landing spot. 1973, the U.S. department of justice sued him and his company for discrimination against black renters. And in 1989, we had the whole Central Park Five situation. In the 2010s he was the leader of the birther movement against Obama. And since then, he's done nothing but solidify the claims people have made about him. So when you say we, I don't know which we you. We ain't about pictures. It can't be us. It can't be the black community. It can't be the, you know, the people of color. It got to be you and the

[Peter Rosenberg]

people you in the room with. And if that's the case, that just

[Ebro Darden]

means that y' all are uneducated about the things that he's done. So maybe if you didn't know that, you would be calling him a racist, but continue.

[Peter Rosenberg]

It came down to 130,000 that he

[Ebro Darden]

spent in hush money to a prop.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Stormy Daniels or whatever her name. So I'm going like this.

[Laura Rosenberg]

Yeah.

[Ebro Darden]

It's a little more complicated than that. But we simple.

[Peter Rosenberg]

We simplify in the streets.

[Ebro Darden]

Who's we hate to break it to you, Stephen, this ain't the streets. Yeah. This is political. These are the people that are in office making decisions for the rest of

[Peter Rosenberg]

us in the streets.

[Ebro Darden]

So continue. And y' all trying to tell me that ain't normal.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Seriously.

[Ebro Darden]

No, Stephen, it's not normal. It's not normal at all.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I don't want the president of the

[Ebro Darden]

country I live in falsifying business records because he can't keep his ding in check.

[Peter Rosenberg]

What I guess John Edwards.

[Ebro Darden]

I guess Gary Hart and Clinton in the Oval Office. Edwards political career died. Hart's political career died. Bill Clinton was impeached and Trump president twice.

[Peter Rosenberg]

The Gary Hart. The Gary Hart and John Edwards is crazy. Gary Hart. My dad was working. My dad worked for Gary Hart.

[Ebro Darden]

Okay.

[Peter Rosenberg]

On that campaign. My dad was in on that campaign. Completely blew up. It was over immediately.

[Ebro Darden]

Immediately.

[Peter Rosenberg]

And he was. Gary Hart was hot. I think, I guess it was Reagan.

[Ebro Darden]

Gary Hart was up against. And I think it was Reagan that was. I think you pronounced his name Premise. Sterling was the guy that posted that clip.

[Peter Rosenberg]

But anyway, he's good. But yeah, those things, those aren't a good comp because John Edwards who cheated on his wife who had cancer at the time. I think you guys remember that one. Yeah, his. He was gone.

[Ebro Darden]

But nonetheless, it's just once. So the Stephen A and I thing. Stephen A's just for recap. Is mad because I said he's dancing. He's soft showing for the right. That's ultimately what I said. And I said and, and I said he's. He should be embarrassed. I think I may even said he should have been embarrassed. He text Rosenberg and I on the side. He took issue with me saying that he was like, I know you. That's offensive. And it is offensive. I'll give you that. It is. But you're on a public platform and you're soft shoeing for the right. That is. And, and you're acting like you're speaking on behalf of the larger group of black people all the time. And you're actually acting like you're knowledgeable about these things that you're towing for the right and you're just not. And it's. And it's not a good look. And I think Stephen A's beloved so much and appreciated for what he's done in the sports space now that politics is the end thing to talk about. It gets the algorithm going. It's the, it's the. It's the most recent popular algo hustle. Everybody's on it, everybody's in it. And I get why he's there because that's his job. His job is to keep the conversation going. His job is to get tune in. And I think he does a good job at that. You know, fortunately or unfortunately, you're going to get called out by people. By people that you're cool with Me as well.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah. I mean you get, you get called out by people too. I think that the one place that you and I have disagreed on this repeatedly is you think he's doing it for the algorithm Hustle. I think we both, all three of us would have sincere disagreements with his thoughts on politics. I do not think it's a put on. That's where we get into the. I think that's where the offensive part is, is that you're saying he's doing a put on to try to do something. What I'm always pushing back on is I disagree with most everything I hear him get into political. Most. Sometimes I think people are so used to disagreeing with Stephen that he may say something that's actually crazy and people still jump down

[Ebro Darden]

because I assumed he was smarter.

[Peter Rosenberg]

This isn't. That doesn't. Right.

[Ebro Darden]

I assume that you like. Because even right there, that's why I showed that clip. Even right there, you're talking about things you we saying. We were all. We were all cool with Donald Trump because you ran into him at some parties and he was famous dude. And you're a rapper or you're in the, in the media business and so you were like nice to someone or shook their hand means that you're okay with their antics once they get a job that they need to be held accountable for is a ridiculous statement. And it's also just ridiculous to say that we didn't think he was racist. Like who's a. Like the man said, who is we?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Well, but nobody knew. The fact of the matter is in the early 90s, I don't recall a major conversation in.

[Ebro Darden]

There wasn't a major conversation.

[Peter Rosenberg]

No one knew.

[Ebro Darden]

But many did, though.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah, I'm sure many did.

[Ebro Darden]

But there was news articles about it. There was a whole. There was a bunch of stuff about it.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah, but when he was referenced in records and you saw him with like Puff at parties, no one knew we had. No, you didn't have to put that much thought into him because no one thought he's president, United States.

[Ebro Darden]

Exactly.

[Peter Rosenberg]

So it really is a rel. I didn't think much of him either way. I was just like, oh, he's a reality. I thought it was kind of trashy. I was like, he's kind of trashy. Real estate, famous guy. That's it. Yeah, I've heard of his.

[Ebro Darden]

Wouldn't even let him buy a football team. You were on the outs with the rich. The rich didn't even want you hanging around him.

[Peter Rosenberg]

But let me ask you this. You've known Stephen A. For how long?

[Ebro Darden]

Long time.

[Peter Rosenberg]

You all. You say he's going back to when he was in Philly.

[Ebro Darden]

Yeah, like, he was. It was. I was one of the first people, I think, to ask him to come do radio. And New York was like, yo, you should do radio, man. You really. But I think he was doing Sports Center.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I mean, ESPN hits in some way.

[Ebro Darden]

Like little sideline hits, like, you know what I mean? And maybe some little debate moments on ESPN.

[Peter Rosenberg]

So, you know, I'm like, what, 20 some years?

[Ebro Darden]

It's been a minute. Yeah, maybe not quite 20, but it's been some time.

[Peter Rosenberg]

And he's done different versions of the platforms. You do for a lot of.

[Ebro Darden]

Sure. Yeah. I've invited him on a lot of things. Or just asked him to fill in and do morning fill ins.

[Peter Rosenberg]

No, he actually did morning films.

[Ebro Darden]

Yeah, he's filled in on Hot. He's filled in on Kiss. When Kiss 987 Kiss was around. He. I partnered him with Ms. Jones for a while.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I mean, so it does feel to me if he reached out to us and clearly, you know, felt away. I. I personally think that before you have a conversation offline, but you're assuming

[Ebro Darden]

that first text was the first combo we had. It wasn't.

[Laura Rosenberg]

But was okay.

[Peter Rosenberg]

But relative to the conversation.

[Ebro Darden]

No, no. I called him straight up and was like, bro, stop soft shoeing for these people. We had a FaceTime. These people are using you. You think they're your friends. They're not your friends. They're using you to have a black face. Yes. Okay.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I mean, I.

[Ebro Darden]

Before any of this got bigger, I called him when I heard him say, yeah, Sean Hannity's my friend. And I was like, yeah, y' all probably cool, but it's not gonna work like that when you start getting into politics. That's not what. It don't work like that, bro. They're gonna drag you out as the black face and the black voice to like, toe the Line for the stuff that they're interested in so that their audience can say, yo, look, as a black person that agrees with us and make them feel like, yeah, nah, it's all good. It's not all good. Y' all are white supremacists. Like, it's not good. It's very bad.

[Peter Rosenberg]

If you've had that conversation, good for you. When I saw him, it didn't seem like he felt like y' all had a conversation. I think you should reach out to him, and I personally think you should stop dragging me into it because it puts me in an awkward ass situation. So if you're not gonna reach out to him, let's just not do it.

[Ebro Darden]

But I think you. I bid you up. I said you did a great job.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Me doing a great job has nothing to do with it. They'll. I listen. I. First of all, we see it differently. I do not. I do not agree with Stephen, but I don't think his intentions are to do anything but give his opinions. I don't like all the opinions. We know he's good with not liking opinions. That is definitely the world he's in. I see why he would be offended by some of the things you have. You use inflammatory language sometimes, and I've done this in my past, too, so I'm not calling just you out. And then you will backtrack and be

[Ebro Darden]

like, what's so offensive about it?

[Peter Rosenberg]

But really, if someone said about you, you might be offended about it. Your just way of handling it's a little differently. You don't have that same ethos of, I need to talk to you offline. That's not your way. But it's his way, and I understand that. So you put me in an awkward spot. I'd like to move on now.

[Laura Rosenberg]

All right, yes. Let's wrap this up.

[Peter Rosenberg]

That's how everyone feels. And shout out to Stephen A for having me on the show. I have a good time on the show. I'm not gonna go do politics, but I like doing sports and wrestling.

[Ebro Darden]

Okay, let's go to clip seven. This. This happened yesterday. The complex media power list is out. I'm actually a little bit perturbed by that, but it's okay. I actually said that this guy's a professional race baiter because no one talks about him unless he's number one, talking about Drake. Number two, saying the absolute ridiculous thing that makes us all have to almost seemingly dick ride Drake to reaffirm the obvious. Some could say the same about you. That's subjective. Some could Say you rage bait, say the most outlandish things to generate conversation. Some could say that. Here's my thing. If I was a one trick pony, like I believe he is right. It's very clear. There's two things. The Uzi moment. He's still milking it today. I was still right. No, you're not right, brother. You're wrong. If anything, it told us why you shouldn't even be on the list. Hip hop gatekeepers, which you said would happen. The exact opposite happened. You're trying to cope by saying, well, you know, he says, a rock star, Come on. These days, hip hop looks so much different than what this guy said. If anything, it just shows over time. This guy was an idiot. The fact that people even have that as a tent pole shows that they still care about what he has to say. No, you could say stuff intentionally and I'm telling you, with him, no one cares about his. Did he say anything about Cole's album? We reacted to. Did he say anything about Wale's drop? We reacted to because everybody realized that him and Drake, for whatever reason, he don't like Drake. And for whatever reason, he's still bent up on the fact that in 2016, Uzi came in there and predicted the future like an oracle. And he lost his job and he's now at his other job trying to reminisce. We're not trying to reminisce. Is this list about now or like 10 years?

[Laura Rosenberg]

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[Peter Rosenberg]

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[Ebro Darden]

So there you go, act talking about me again. So that's why I'm on the list at number nine, whether you like it or not. And I'm just super appreciative to even be in the combo. Like I. I give my why? Why?

[Peter Rosenberg]

And I know this comes from a place of me being also annoyed that I. That they've ignored me. I'm on it. Sometimes I'm not on it. Whatever. Why are we including you propping up a list that has this guy at number one. Why do y' all and me legitimize?

[Ebro Darden]

It's just in the combo.

[Peter Rosenberg]

But every time we do it, and I don't. I don't remember if I posted it when I was on it. I probably did, but Rory, maul everyone who's on it who deserves to be on it. Great. Every time we prop up this thing that makes academics the most important person of media, we are legitimizing we. Oh, yeah, of course. You don't say. I thought it was gonna be him and David Muir next to each other and the New York. The New Yorker editorial board, but we, every time we do it, we're just legitimizing the idea that this is what the top of hip hop media looks like.

[Ebro Darden]

People disagree with it. There's people all over the Internet that disagree. I understand it's a conversation piece. It's not even that.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Everything is a conversation, but that's what

[Ebro Darden]

we're here to do. I mean, that's why we have microphones. Have a conversation.

[Peter Rosenberg]

No, I'm just saying everyone belongs on validate me right with me. Because everyone pops. Everyone loves it. In your case, I saw what your post was. It's. I know you. You're doing a little something different. But everyone gets hyped that they get mentioned. So would I. I'm being honest. Yes. And I do feel disrespected when I'm ignored. All of those things are valid. But what I'm saying is, whenever goes, oh, look at me, I'm number blank. Everyone is signing up for this is the list we honor that thinks academics is the number one most important thing in hip hop media. So don't then turn around and be annoyed when people think academics is the most important thing in hip hop media because we're co signing the whole thing.

[Ebro Darden]

I don't. I'm not annoyed that about academics being number one in hip hop media. I'm not annoyed by that at all.

[Peter Rosenberg]

You think it's legitimate?

[Ebro Darden]

I think he's got a big platform and he. When he says stuff about me or on his. Mostly for me, I see it on Twitter.

[Peter Rosenberg]

If I'm in there, a bunch of eggs start coming after you when he talks about you.

[Ebro Darden]

Yeah. So I mean, clearly whatever the ecosystem is that they've built, you know, it moves around and creates conversation for better or for worse. Right. And I've conversation among.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Among weird incels on Twitter who you've never met in your life.

[Ebro Darden]

But it is. That's the measurement tool. Like, I mean that's how people measure. I don't know. There's a lot of people on that list. I don't know their fan bases. I don't know. There's a guy named Neon on the list I just heard about because he was using the N word and did an interview with the Breakfast Club. I heard about him a year ago. Never heard of that, man. There's people on that list. I never heard of them. They were the reason that clip is from them debating whether or not I'm more important than Blackboy Max. Black Boy Max has a huge platform. There's a lot of people in there. People look at the numbers. I'm just happy to be in a combo, bro. Like I, you know, I didn't really. For me, it was just these lists come out all that. They've been coming out for 100 years. They've been putting.

[Laura Rosenberg]

No, no.

[Ebro Darden]

Well, yeah, the source had a list.

[Laura Rosenberg]

Yeah.

[Ebro Darden]

This is a lit.

[Peter Rosenberg]

There's.

[Ebro Darden]

These lists have been forever. It's not a new concept, you know. And there's always been people on the list that were like, what's. What is this? Or why is this? Or we just disagree.

[Laura Rosenberg]

And then some people just look at it like, look, they have reach. Is it. They don't care if it's good or bad. Look at the reach. Look how far it goes.

[Ebro Darden]

Well, I think that's what's a list of views.

[Peter Rosenberg]

It's a list of you and the

[Ebro Darden]

reason or engagement or. Or. Or the ability to get a conversation on social media.

[Laura Rosenberg]

Right?

[Ebro Darden]

Yeah. That's the measurement now, like that's or on YouTube. Go ahead, Lou. What do you got, buddy? And what, what I will say about the conversation about the list is specifically the conversation has been more about what academics are saying about everybody more so than the list itself within the past day.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Got it Right.

[Ebro Darden]

Because. And this. And, and by the way, if you're really paying attention to it, I don't know if you're really paying attention to it. What I found interesting, I wasn't even going to get into this Complex made a list. Academics used to work at complex.

[Peter Rosenberg]

He was mil. He was made at complex.

[Ebro Darden]

Yeah. So in a real way, complex is at number. Or complex has academics at number one. Complex also has academics sitting there with Jordan debating everyone else on the list while he's at number one. So they all are benefiting from the whole moment together for sure. For the algo hustle.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yes.

[Ebro Darden]

You know, I mean, so it's all algo hustle.

[Peter Rosenberg]

But, but like that's. And listen, I guess I'm fine with all of it. I'm just.

[Ebro Darden]

No, you can be annoyed by it.

[Peter Rosenberg]

No, I'm just, I'm just pointing out. I'm just pointing out it is a celebration of bull ish. I'm like, you're completely.

[Ebro Darden]

But the academics of it all. Maybe. But there's people in there who are doing real great work. Yeah.

[Peter Rosenberg]

And most. Yeah, yeah.

[Ebro Darden]

You know what I mean? That are doing. Really trying to do quality. There's definitely people in there who are algo hustling, me included. Right. There's people in there who are trashy. There's people in there who are real journalists writing and trying to cover things in a real way. So it is. There are some problems.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Just like anything. But the.

[Ebro Darden]

But the list you're focused on number one, if AK was at 11 and Joe Button was at Joe Button's at 2. If Joe Button was at 1 and AK was at 2.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I guess maybe it's the word media that bothers me. Like popular personalities in hip hop or influential personalities in hip hop. Sure, we can have a conversation. I only know about academic. The same thing he said about you is what I would say about him. I only hear about academics if it's some sort of talked ish about Kendrick Lamar or defended Drake, that's the only.

[Ebro Darden]

Or promoted Trump. Or promoted.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Or promoted Trump. It's not. And so what I'm saying is, yes, I love seeing that Rob Markman is on there. I love seeing there are a few people on there who I'm like, oh, yeah, I've seen the credible work they're trying to do to grow artists.

[Laura Rosenberg]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Peter Rosenberg]

But like. And grow the culture. Most of it is not about culture growth. It's about sucking the juice out of it in the worst way as possible. That's why you're. You don't even make sense because you're not really a part of that. That's only. The only stuff he cares about with regard to you is the stuff you get into a Drake. It's not at all about your artist development at Apple, which is really the reason you belong on a list.

[Ebro Darden]

Right. But that's not measurable. They can be. Most people don't. The work I do at Apple Music to break new artists or platform new artists or give people an outlet to perform, that's not being covered by the algorithm.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Like that. I understand. And that's why the whole thing is bull.

[Ebro Darden]

So the problem really is how we. What you're talking about is what we call, like you said, what we call media or what.

[Peter Rosenberg]

And how we define success with.

[Ebro Darden]

Right. But what the consumer pays attention to. Right. And what the conversation is around hip hop. I've been saying this for years, Laura. One of the biggest problems in hip hop right now is that there's so many people talking about hip hop. There's not a lot of people playing the actual songs.

[Laura Rosenberg]

Right, right, right.

[Ebro Darden]

Like, there's so many podcasts about the songs.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yo, I could have. I literally could have made my. When when Hot ended and I was trying to figure out what to do next, I could have made my next thing be, oh, three times a week I'm gonna put out a video where I do a hot take on a thing.

[Ebro Darden]

Yes.

[Peter Rosenberg]

And if I did that consistently with a good look and did it over and over and over again, I could find my way back onto the bullish complex list.

[Ebro Darden]

Yes.

[Peter Rosenberg]

But I went to Paul Rosenberg and said, can I get on shade 45? I want to play records. Because that's what we came here to do, was to play.

[Ebro Darden]

But not everybody came here to do that.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I know they came here to get themselves. I'm gonna be the person here to remind you that it's bullish. Just like I've been the person to remind you when the music was bullish. This is bullish. This is the same thing I would have been hating out of College in 1998 when I wanted to play Most Death.

[Ebro Darden]

It's the same thing we was hating on when Media Takeout became a hip hop blog. It was a. The same thing we were talking about when Wendy Williams was on Hot 97 or on Kiss F or on BLS doing. Doing gossip. And everybody was like, this is bull. It's just taking away from the music. It's the same thing that we've always been saying. It's been there.

[Peter Rosenberg]

And.

[Ebro Darden]

But it's what the consumer engages with because it's salacious. It's the convo. And people like conversations. Lucky for you, me and Laura, people like conversation.

[Peter Rosenberg]

True. And they like.

[Ebro Darden]

And unfortunately, these, you know, you know my thing about these companies in these tech companies that sold everybody a bunch of hardware and told them they were going to be, you know, the next media, you know, magnate or whatever, but that's what happened in the last 10 years. Everybody. So many people became artists, became podcasters. Artists are making more money podcasting and streaming than they are making music, bro. Like the. The. It's upside down. And I. I didn't make the rules, but damn it, I'm in the game. And you know me, if I'm a suit up, every day I come. I'm coming to play.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Well, you know me, if I'm a suit up, every day I'm a talk ish about the nastiness of the whole thing.

[Laura Rosenberg]

That's okay.

[Ebro Darden]

And that's what, by the way, you've always done that, and I've always got in here and figured out how we're going to make news out of today's goings ons and figure out how to weave some music into what happened.

[Peter Rosenberg]

By the way, speaking to the tech companies that are the really behind the podcast industry, what happened to the little covers we have for the back of our microphones?

[Ebro Darden]

I got basking Ron. Bas game sent me a link I

[Peter Rosenberg]

ordered from years ago.

[Ebro Darden]

It was like a month ago, no more.

[Laura Rosenberg]

Are they still stuck in customs?

[Ebro Darden]

I got a UPS tracking number a month later, and then they sent it to some, like, parcel locker in Union, New Jersey. Not even to my address. So when I tracked the tracking number, Jaz and I are trying to work on it. She's better at that stuff than me. We're trying to find the parcel locker where maybe these mic things are. I emailed the company multiple times. They never hit back. I was gonna come up here and slander him, but that might be bad for business.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Where'd you order it? You saw it. Where?

[Ebro Darden]

On a link he sent me.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Where'd you see the link?

[Ebro Darden]

On the Internet. He just googled some link and I trusted Ron Bastine. Congratulations. You played yourself. Who's on the phone? Griff. Stephanie. Stephanie. Good morning, Stephanie. Good morning, Stephanie.

[Laura Rosenberg]

Hi. Good morning.

[Ebro Darden]

How are you this morning? Will you call 844-ELR-ELR-3 what do you got for us? So I've been listening to the ERA

[Laura Rosenberg]

forever for you guys, forever. And I never heard of academics until I started listening to you guys. So I told him I totally believe that he is. He's a snake oil salesman. He has been using you guys and everyone else on every topic to help his algorithm. He's been using you guys to basically just get the fame and get the recognition when you listen to him speak. It's the same conversation, it's the same comment, it's the same things he uses when he's describing every single topic that comes up. I don't think he's worth the conversation, but it does help his listenership. It helps people to get his name out there. I to say that it's not worth talking about. Well, yeah, because we are talking about him. Right.

[Ebro Darden]

Well, I'll say this. This is, this is how I view the whole thing. And thank you for your phone call and love you for the support. 844-ELR-ELR-3. There are different audiences. Let's call it in the world. The world's a very big place. The Internet.

[Laura Rosenberg]

Yes. And there's an audience for everyone.

[Ebro Darden]

His audience ain't checking out this show.

[Laura Rosenberg]

No.

[Ebro Darden]

Okay. But he's promoting me over there. Matter of fact, he just went on Complex. And that clip of him talking about. He could have easily said, no, I'm not talking about you, bro. Like, I don't care. Jump to the next one he chooses to continue. Which is why when we were talking about him a few weeks ago, I was like, yo, he loves us, bro. I could see the love academics has for me in that clip. If you look closely, bro really lights up when he talks about me more than he lights up talking about anybody else. Really? Yeah, I see the light in his eyes.

[Peter Rosenberg]

You think he's in love with you?

[Ebro Darden]

No, I wasn't going that far. I'm just saying admiration just. I call it maybe not admiration. He doesn't want to be me. You know what I'm saying? But I think he. He enjoys my existence in the game. It's enjoyable to him in some way. And I think he, he knows where I, where, where, you know, my, my, my. The cloth I'm from. And he's watched my work for a long time because he wanted to be in media for a long time, and he worked his way up and he has a big platform. Like, whether I like him or not. He's definitely working like you, what you can't say about academics is he's not, he's not lazy. You can't say that. We can say a lot of things about academics. Lazy wouldn't be one of them. Yeah, I mean every day he's. If every day for a significant period of time, he's continued to work.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah, I mean, listen, it depends on what your definition of work is, but I apply that to myself too.

[Ebro Darden]

Turn the camera on.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah, I mean sit in, have a

[Ebro Darden]

beverage, play video games.

[Peter Rosenberg]

There are people out here collecting trash who'd like to have a conversation. But I hear what you're saying in

[Ebro Darden]

this, in this short, you know, arena.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I agree with that.

[Ebro Darden]

That's all I'm saying. So I like, I started this saying and I know the list.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I don't know, now I'm getting the sense that you actually got love for academics. It feels like a two way street.

[Ebro Darden]

Well, as much promo as we've gotten from the guy, I mean, what does it do?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Because he doesn't. We don't get his people, they don't come here.

[Ebro Darden]

I, it, well, it's cross promo that

[Peter Rosenberg]

no one goes to each other's things.

[Ebro Darden]

But the same thing you said about him being number one, you're like, now people believe he's number one. He's the most. I'm number nine, bro. I'm top ten.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Okay.

[Ebro Darden]

Like that's something to me. Okay, that in whatever this thing you're talking about where people will assume that he matters more than. Yet people assume the same thing about me too.

[Peter Rosenberg]

So. But what does that lead to?

[Ebro Darden]

I believe it leads to people. I don't know, it may lead to us getting some sponsorships on this program. It may lead to a couple of subscribers. It may lead to people sharing videos that we monetize. Who knows? Out. All I'm saying is in this game, I'll take the marketing. That's the algo hustle. It goes all back to the algorithm of it all. That's all I'm saying. Listen, if what's the game we're playing? Are we. We ask people to subscribe. We ask people to hit a hype button where it's the game we're playing. You know why? Because an advertiser is going to see that and it's going to help us pay people's bills. Like that's the game we're playing.

[Laura Rosenberg]

Sure, I hear you, but I just. Look to me, I don't care because I feel like we have, our audience is here for us. This audience is Here for the audience, for everyone, guys and I. There's people popping pimples online that have crazy.

[Peter Rosenberg]

They love them, they love the pimple pop.

[Ebro Darden]

You know, for me, for me, I guess it's popping.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I'm not into that. I'm not into content. I'm not into content creation. I'm not like, I'm into doing radio shows and this is the place where we do our radio show and we're doing it so well.

[Ebro Darden]

I would, I wouldn't allow, I'm not going to allow you to make the term content creation. Not a radio show. That radio shows were content creators.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah, but I, I don't.

[Ebro Darden]

It's the turn the. We would take what we did on the radio and put it into social media. Did the company we work for do a terrible job?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Absolutely. I'm not doing it for the clips. I don't do the show each day, us doing an hour show. To think I want to get good clips out of today. Yeah, it's a good effect that you have of a good show.

[Ebro Darden]

I hope so.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I get it. But the purpose that I have is to give everyone one hour on their way to work of a good show. We advertise it then with clips. There is an entire world and I am inundated with this in the wrestling world. A ton of content creators. Their goal is literally to make one minute clips all day long. God bless them. That's a career now. It's dope. Good for you. It's not what I do. It's not what I aspire to do. It's not what we aspire to do with this show. So while, yes, we are in it, we're all thrown into the same pot. We are not all the same.

[Ebro Darden]

So I look at it like this, right? Like there's some people who aspire to be the.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Sorry, we need to move on.

[Ebro Darden]

No, the traffic dj, right? Like some people were like, yo, I want to be on drive time playing records. That's my aspiration in life. And they, whether they achieved it or not, whatever, that was their role at the radio station. There were some people who were like, I'm. When I'm old enough to remember this, I'm the traffic lady. Their job every day was to tell you what was going on with the traffic. Then there was a guy.

[Peter Rosenberg]

That person still there?

[Ebro Darden]

Yeah, some, well, that, yeah, they work for like a service or whatever in some places. But no, this was at like music stations. This was a time when music stations were like, had their own traffic person and that would they Worked at the radio station. That was a job. There was the morning show guy. He was making jokes, covering news and doing whatever and hosting. There was the, you know, the midday person. There was all these different roles. So I look at the Internet the same way. There's all these different roles of people contributing to when someone opens whatever app it is they're getting their entertainment from, right? And some of those are short clips, some of those are longer clips. Some of those are trash, right? Like the, the. The. What was it? The stupid news that we would get on our thing every day, which was nonsense that Laura loved where. Alligator. A woman had an alligator baby. You know what I'm saying? And Laurel come in every day and go, guys, did you see this story? A baby flew a helicopter from London to France.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Right?

[Ebro Darden]

You know what I'm saying? Like, whatever it is. But it's all in the. It's. I just look at it all as content and how it's distributed and who it's consumed by is all kind of just there for everyone. But in, in this world, I'm happy that our names are in convos. That's it. Right? Because while we love our audience and you can call 8 4, 4, ELR ELR 3 right now, we have phones. We have to grow it. We have to attract new people. We have to get new people into the party. And there's people who probably hated us on the radio because they didn't hear our combos and they hated the music. Now they don't even know we're having these combos.

[Laura Rosenberg]

Or they. Or they love us now because we are having.

[Ebro Darden]

You know what I mean, whatever it is.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I hear everything you're saying. And I'm sure in things like this, we pick up one or two here or there. Everyone who consumes this list already knows who we are, has already made their mind up on us one way or the other. I think there's a whole other world that we need to tap into that we haven't tapped into. We need interviews in places where frankly, people go to get information that's beyond what's on this list.

[Ebro Darden]

Because that's why we had a Hasan piker, Right? Like that's what I'm saying.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Respect to that list. But we do something different than every single other thing on that list. Well, and the conversation that we have are elevated. But we are basically a political show. We're not even a hip hop show, if we're being honest. This is not even a hip hop show. I get it. We have hip hop guests and Nice hip hop decorum. We basically do put up a West side gun hat.

[Ebro Darden]

Yeah. What are you talking about? It's a hip hop show.

[Peter Rosenberg]

We do politics. 40 minutes a day, bro. We need to be on NPR.

[Ebro Darden]

Okay, like fly. It wouldn't fly.

[Peter Rosenberg]

No, no, no.

[Ebro Darden]

I just mean.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I mean, I think there's a lot of audience out there in places like that that if they heard we existed, would be like, ooh, I want to hear that new twist on how they're talking about news every day. Yeah, but I'll be honest. It's not here because we don't really sit around analyzing the bullish that the people at the top of this list analyze.

[Ebro Darden]

No, we don't. We don't. But we tap with respect to Mark,

[Peter Rosenberg]

who tries his best.

[Ebro Darden]

For instance, Laura, what are you getting into in the rundown?

[Laura Rosenberg]

Okay, so you know Stefan Diggs was found not guilty. Wait till I play you this video, bro.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Hip hop. A J.

[Ebro Darden]

Sports news. Sports or hip hop?

[Peter Rosenberg]

No, it's not sports.

[Laura Rosenberg]

Yes. Cardi B. Cardi B. Taking legal action once again.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Legal action, okay.

[Laura Rosenberg]

Against that blogger, Tasha K. She's not letting up. And then TI Just made a big announcement that he's doing with his family.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Bam.

[Ebro Darden]

Told you. It's a hip hop show.

[Peter Rosenberg]

We should hit this right now, by the way.

[Ebro Darden]

844 ELR. ELR 3.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Pamela's got help for you.

[Ebro Darden]

Pamela's got help.

[Laura Rosenberg]

Pamela.

[Ebro Darden]

Pamela, Good morning. Thanks for joining the ELR Show. That's Ebro Laura Rosenberg to me and you.

[Laura Rosenberg]

Good morning.

[Ebro Darden]

Good morning, Pamela. What's poppin?

[Laura Rosenberg]

First of all, I love you guys. I just want to put that out there. I love you from plantation Respect to your wife, Ebro, but I've always had heart eyes for you, so.

[Ebro Darden]

Hey, yo, chill. She said she had eyes. Oh. You know what I'm saying? Keep those eyes over there. I want no smoke. It's a happy household over here.

[Laura Rosenberg]

No smoke. No smoke. Just wanted to let you know I live in Union, New Jersey. So you need me to try to pick up that package.

[Ebro Darden]

All right, all right. Thank you.

[Laura Rosenberg]

Thank you. Pamela. Oh, my God.

[Ebro Darden]

Picking up packages for me, Guys,

[Peter Rosenberg]

I told you to go to the rundown. You don't listen to me enough, bro. My instincts are on point.

[Ebro Darden]

Laura, what you got for me?

[Laura Rosenberg]

All right, so Stephon Diggs was found not guilty of attacking his chef during. Remember that big dispute that happened last year? Well, he was facing up to five years in prison for the felony, but the jury found the, you know, accusers claims to be bogus Now, I want you to watch this video. This is her in court, bro. What a mess. Three weeks ago, your lawyer demanded $5.5 million from Mr. Diggs, didn't he? Mr. Diggs offered me $100,000 to recant my statement. That is the only maybe sent her to sidebar. Ms. Adams, three weeks ago, your lawyer demanded $5.5 million from Stefon Diggs. Correct. Look at her face.

[Ebro Darden]

Damn.

[Laura Rosenberg]

That is client lawyer privilege. I cannot speak on that. What? Wait, wait, wait. You believe that your lawyer's communications to

[Ebro Darden]

Stefan Diggs are covered by your attorney client privilege?

[Laura Rosenberg]

Ma', am. I can't answer that question. I don't know the answer to that question.

[Ebro Darden]

Oh, damn.

[Laura Rosenberg]

That someone on your behalf has demanded $5.5 million from Stefan Diggs, don't you? I have a workers comp claim, and I explore all silver options. I don't understand. Are you able to answer that question? Restate the question, please. You know that someone on your behalf has demanded $5.5 million from Stefan Diggs. Do you know that, Ms. Adams? No, I don't know. I'm sorry. I don't know how to answer the question. Yo, that's what she did.

[Ebro Darden]

Dragging it, too.

[Laura Rosenberg]

There's no further questions.

[Peter Rosenberg]

That's what she do, dumbass. Up.

[Laura Rosenberg]

Yeah, I'm cooked. So basically, I guess Stefan had offered her a hundred thousand dollars. Like, let's make this all go away. And she was like, Nope, I won $5 million.

[Ebro Darden]

I wonder if, you know, and this might. Maybe this comes out later. I wonder if. If Stefan offered her a hundred thousand dollars, who makes this go away?

[Laura Rosenberg]

That's according to her.

[Ebro Darden]

According to her, yes. I wonder if she had the money to pay an attorney or her attorney was basically going to be paid based on what he won, and her attorney realizes that I ain't gonna be able to win this ain't. We ain't winning this. I could probably make more money in which. This is super nasty, and this is all speculation. Allegedly make more money by allowing the other team to know that I got these texts and that she wanted me to demand money from Stefan Diggs.

[Laura Rosenberg]

What a twist in this story.

[Peter Rosenberg]

You're saying what?

[Ebro Darden]

That because that lawyer is basically knowing what her conversation was with her attorney, somebody had to give that to the other team.

[Peter Rosenberg]

No. Well, they had the conversation with Stefan. Yes, that's Stefan's lawyer. So, yes, they went to Stefan and said, we want $5 million, so step to settle.

[Ebro Darden]

And she should have been like, yeah, I wanted to settle out, but the Reason she wasn't prepared for that was because somebody worked. She wasn't. Her lawyer should have prepared her for that. She wasn't prepared.

[Laura Rosenberg]

You would think, Right, right, right, right, right. If that comes up.

[Ebro Darden]

So either her lawyer's just terrible, or I think he took money behind the scenes.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I'm going with, she's an idiot.

[Ebro Darden]

Why is she an idiot?

[Peter Rosenberg]

I was looking at her eyes and she's an idiot, bro. She didn't have it. She was like, I don't know.

[Laura Rosenberg]

This is. He's right. He's right. I agree with you. Because the other clips that I saw, I was like, this is a mess. Did you just want to blow this?

[Ebro Darden]

But why? Why, if you're a lawyer? I guess I'm just thinking about the lawyer. Like, I think she's an idiot. I agree with you guys, but I'm. I'm saying if you're a lawyer, right, when asked for or demanded money from someone or advised you that that was the thing to do, why wouldn't you be prepared to answer that in court?

[Peter Rosenberg]

I don't know, but I can't imagine a lawyer wouldn't have told her. I have to. You're going. I see what you're saying, but yours requires a bigger assumption than mine. I'm just going with what's in front of me, which is.

[Laura Rosenberg]

Right.

[Peter Rosenberg]

It looks like you don't. You thought that that's a privilege, that. That's attorney client privilege.

[Laura Rosenberg]

It doesn't work that way. It doesn't work that way. Yo, bro. And then there was videos of the alleged. The night that it happened, of her like dancing and like the whole thing was.

[Peter Rosenberg]

And didn't it come out that they were having sex?

[Laura Rosenberg]

Yeah. At the very beginning. She was like. When they ask her about her relationship, about their relationship, she's like, it's complicated. Yeah.

[Peter Rosenberg]

So basically smashing. And he was like, I'll give you a salary to be my cook because you've been. Yo, yo. You're a good cook. After we smash, I enjoy the sandwiches. You want a full time job? Because he's a messy sob, God bless him.

[Laura Rosenberg]

Yes.

[Peter Rosenberg]

My terp brother. Yeah, He's a mess.

[Laura Rosenberg]

Yes.

[Peter Rosenberg]

That part is how many kids he

[Ebro Darden]

had at the same time.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Like four in a year or whatever. It was something like that. Three or four in a year. Yes.

[Laura Rosenberg]

Yeah, yeah.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Great receiver, lovely guy. Fellow turf.

[Ebro Darden]

Nice guy.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I seems like it, but I met

[Ebro Darden]

him at a cardi B event and

[Peter Rosenberg]

he seemed like a nice guy.

[Ebro Darden]

Great guy. He's a nice guy. Sure.

[Peter Rosenberg]

He's a Mess. So he decided, you make me a good sandwich, you want a full time job. Crazy decision.

[Laura Rosenberg]

I know.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Hit the button.

[Laura Rosenberg]

I know.

[Peter Rosenberg]

This whole thing cost him a lot of money.

[Laura Rosenberg]

And then when they interviewed other people that work for him, they're like, yeah, she made him a hot dog. Literally, she cooked. She's like a dry ass hot dog.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yo, that's crazy. Hit the button again, bro.

[Ebro Darden]

You're offended though, because.

[Laura Rosenberg]

Right. We've always seen these clips move around and they're so nuts. I'm like, this is what? I just can't believe she's that this dumb. Yo, it was bad.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yo. Steph, my man, I don't know if you know this yet. Sex is great. We all know, bro. You got to settle down, my guy. Your life's decisions are control. Yo, validate me. Coming soon. Let's have a conversation. Bro, your penis is leading your entire life. You are going to throw away millions on different women you owe money to, on child support, on cases like this.

[Ebro Darden]

Well, I don't know if you even validate me. Can help him.

[Peter Rosenberg]

No, it's. No, he needs 12 step. This dude has no.

[Ebro Darden]

I mean help him financially because the babies are already out of.

[Peter Rosenberg]

There are. No. But there could be more. Like, this ain't going to stop. He's obviously a very virile man. Okay. Because these things are just.

[Ebro Darden]

Yeah.

[Peter Rosenberg]

You got to remember the video on the boat last summer.

[Laura Rosenberg]

Yes.

[Peter Rosenberg]

With Cardi on the boat. Drugs, more girls like my. Allegedly, we don't know allegedly. It looked like it. You're right. Thank you. I don't want to get Tasha Kate out here too. It just. My man, just you got a couple more good years where you could play football. After that, you're going to be figuring out how to maintain this money the rest of your life.

[Laura Rosenberg]

Correct. So let's see what happens now. Cardi B. Is once again taking legal action against blogger Tasha K. She is. Look, they remember they had a really popular, you know, fallout in court. Cardi B. Won and she had agreed. Tasha Kay had agreed to like a non disparagement clause which, you know, prohibited her from speaking negatively. Negatively against not only Cardi, Stefon, Diggs and Offset. Well, she didn't. She didn't follow the rules. She continued to push the line. And now they're saying that Tasha K. Allegedly violated the clause by making those comments about specifically Offset. And Cardi's like, you know what? Pay me my money. I want more.

[Peter Rosenberg]

So hold on. So Cardi's going back in?

[Laura Rosenberg]

Yeah.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Because she's talking about her ex.

[Laura Rosenberg]

Yes. That was all part of it.

[Ebro Darden]

That was a part of the deal.

[Laura Rosenberg]

Yes. She's like, you. You can't talk about me, Stefan. Or offset.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Wow.

[Laura Rosenberg]

Yeah. She previous. She won 4 million and then, you know, the, the judge reduced it to 1.2 million.

[Peter Rosenberg]

How much money could Tasha K have?

[Laura Rosenberg]

And then now she's like, she's out there doing gofundmes and stuff.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yo, Cardi. Nah, bro. Cardi's got probably.

[Laura Rosenberg]

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[Peter Rosenberg]

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[Ebro Darden]

and injection site pain, fatigue and headache.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Allergic reactions can include rash, welts, asthma symptoms and dizziness. Don't receive Botox if there's a skin infection. Tell your doctor your medical history, muscle or nerve conditions including als, Lou Gehrig's disease, myasthenia gravis or Lambert Eaton syndrome, and medications including botulinum toxins as these may increase the risk of serious side effects.

[Laura Rosenberg]

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[Peter Rosenberg]

He's probably got what, 100 mil? Something like that.

[Ebro Darden]

100?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah, I think that's probably a fair number. Really?

[Laura Rosenberg]

I'm guessing maybe a little more.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Maybe. I don't know. Cardi out here living life.

[Laura Rosenberg]

She's not hurting for no.

[Ebro Darden]

And.

[Peter Rosenberg]

And she just did a tour where she probably pocketed another 40 million herself. Whatever.

[Ebro Darden]

Yeah, 80. 80 mil to estimated between 80 mil and 100 mil.

[Laura Rosenberg]

Okay. I guess.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah. They don't give these jobs to chimps. I know what I'm doing. And so Cardi's got $100 million. This lady has to have a GoFundMe. She's like, bitch, I'll see you in The Shelter. And I'm gonna keep going. Yeah, I don't. Don't mess with Cardi, bro. I know she is petty and she

[Ebro Darden]

got a song about it.

[Peter Rosenberg]

That's right. She does.

[Ebro Darden]

Pretty and petty and she's.

[Peter Rosenberg]

And by the way, this is not petty the way some other people are where it's unjust. This is. You wronged her. Literally. You wronged her like Tasha K. Did her dirty. You're gonna keep paying.

[Laura Rosenberg]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Peter Rosenberg]

That's a nasty word.

[Laura Rosenberg]

It is, though. All right, so TI Announced that he's going he. The King Succession tour. He's going on tour.

[Ebro Darden]

Okay.

[Peter Rosenberg]

With the kids.

[Laura Rosenberg]

With the kids, yes. So it's a limited run. It's 10 dates. But let me see. He's going to Phoenix, Dallas, Houston. He's coming to Brooklyn. To The Brooklyn, Paramount, DC, Charlotte, Detroit, Chicago, LA and San Francisco. It's the King Succession tour with King and Tamani.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Oh, just him and the two. That's dope.

[Ebro Darden]

Him and his two sons.

[Peter Rosenberg]

That's fire.

[Laura Rosenberg]

That's fire, right?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah. Good for those guys.

[Ebro Darden]

Three sons.

[Peter Rosenberg]

He's got mad kids.

[Ebro Darden]

Could have did my Three Sons like the TV show.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I don't remember how many. Yeah, because he has like what, seven total.

[Laura Rosenberg]

Yeah.

[Ebro Darden]

Kids overall, but he's got like three or four daughters, man.

[Peter Rosenberg]

People in these kids. It's crazy, bro.

[Laura Rosenberg]

But I feel like when you're rich like that.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Everyone says that, but I. I just can't. My brain. I was with Jacob Fatu yesterday at espn. He's. He's got a match with Roman Reigns on Saturday. He's the man. Great dude. Interesting guy. Hard life, as he puts it. Made it hard for himself. But he has seven.

[Ebro Darden]

He has his own seven.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Jacob has seven.

[Ebro Darden]

Got it. Got it.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Jacob did like a multi year bid. Came out, threw away some people culturally,

[Ebro Darden]

having a lot of kids just built in there. Well, no, it's just how they were raised. That's just the thing.

[Peter Rosenberg]

They were around bad kids.

[Ebro Darden]

They were mad kids. Their family. Everybody's got mad kids. Then you got the religious folks that they have a lot of kids. And then. Yeah, I'm with you, Rosa. Bart. I thought when I was younger I wanted to have a lot of kids. I'm glad I only have to.

[Laura Rosenberg]

So they're okay. Let me see.

[Peter Rosenberg]

It's too hard to care.

[Ebro Darden]

It's hard much to give them the time they need.

[Laura Rosenberg]

And they have seven children.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Seven.

[Laura Rosenberg]

Yeah. Children from their previous relationships and three children together.

[Peter Rosenberg]

TI and Tiny.

[Laura Rosenberg]

Yeah.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Oh, yes.

[Ebro Darden]

It's only.

[Peter Rosenberg]

It's three Together?

[Laura Rosenberg]

Yeah. Zonique, Messiah, Damani, Deja King, Major and Harris.

[Ebro Darden]

Yeah. So.

[Laura Rosenberg]

Okay.

[Ebro Darden]

And I mean, look, I. I'll say for Ti and Tiny, it felt like, you know, they had a pretty good, you know, what was it? The family hustle?

[Laura Rosenberg]

Yeah.

[Ebro Darden]

Like, they had a pretty good dynamic on that show. You know what I mean? So.

[Peter Rosenberg]

And you know, nothing tells the true story of someone's life like the reality.

[Ebro Darden]

Well, no, I was gonna go to the next thought, which is some of the other kids that we don't hear from. Right. Like, they're not trying to be public or celebrities or they're not making music or whatever. So, you know, one grad just recently graduated from college, I think was going to be a veterinarian or something. You know, like, it's like.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Right, they have. No, no, I'm not saying.

[Ebro Darden]

I'm just talking about them. It's not. They've done a pretty good job based on.

[Laura Rosenberg]

Right, right, right.

[Ebro Darden]

I see what I mean, to me,

[Peter Rosenberg]

it's not even about good job, bad job. It's about my personal mental. Like, that's part of it.

[Ebro Darden]

That's part of it.

[Peter Rosenberg]

And just being able to give enough to care. Like just watching how my parents care for me and my brother and how much energy at 78, they still are putting into our well being in our 40s and my brother. 50s to your whole life is that. And to have that, it's just hard to relate to. I know. You figure it out once you get there, right? But it's just. I'm like, I got some people in my life who have five, and I watch them doing it.

[Laura Rosenberg]

Like, how are you showing up?

[Ebro Darden]

I know, it's my God. I know two people got four.

[Peter Rosenberg]

My best friend has four. He's got three daughters. Yo, my best friend, his oldest now she's like, his oldest boy is 17. His oldest girl is like 15. Yo, he caught a guy, he gave a guy. Because it literally is a guy, a man, practically a teenage boy on his roof trying to meet up with his daughter.

[Laura Rosenberg]

Ooh, on the roof.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yo, my best friend came out, turned the light on, literally turned the spotlight on. I was like, my man, what you doing? What are you doing up there? He's like, oh, he had to help him down. He had to help him down off the roof. And by the way, he's like, and I know my daughter. This is her. She.

[Laura Rosenberg]

She's.

[Peter Rosenberg]

She is telling him this is a good idea. And he had to drive the kid home, say, all right, man, come on,

[Ebro Darden]

get in the car.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Get in the car. It's like. I'm like, I can't. And he's got two more younger ones.

[Ebro Darden]

Well, now, but what you have to do. And I have an 11 year old now, and I'm assuming that's the rundown with Laura.

[Laura Rosenberg]

Yes, yes.

[Peter Rosenberg]

That was a great rundown.

[Ebro Darden]

Great rundown. And you know why it was a great rundown?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Because people like salacious crap.

[Ebro Darden]

And we're a hip hop show.

[Peter Rosenberg]

And we're a hip hop show. We do hip hop. We've done no politics.

[Ebro Darden]

Yo, yo. We started with something. We started, Stephen, A politics.

[Peter Rosenberg]

That was more just you putting me in an uncomfortable situation. Did it really have anything to do with politics? We don't know politics and shit. But we didn't do. We didn't do anything about Iran.

[Ebro Darden]

That was where I was going next after I said, you know the thing I was going to say, which is you have. When you start. When your kid starts getting older, Laura, and you're going to get hit with like a ton of bricks.

[Laura Rosenberg]

Breaks.

[Ebro Darden]

It's on the way.

[Laura Rosenberg]

I'm not ready.

[Ebro Darden]

Get ready.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Practice.

[Ebro Darden]

You have to remind yourself what you were doing at the age.

[Laura Rosenberg]

That's why I'm not ready.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Exactly.

[Ebro Darden]

No, no. Get ready. Because he said 11. Right. She, you know, she hasn't done anything that I was doing. She's way.

[Peter Rosenberg]

And she's not going away.

[Ebro Darden]

I have to assume the kids around her. Things she may do in the future are gonna start leaning in that direction.

[Laura Rosenberg]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Ebro Darden]

Just experimental.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Sure. But it's gonna be way behind you. Like you do. Want to keep that in mind, because it slowed down a lot. Pandemic slowed kids down even more.

[Laura Rosenberg]

No facts.

[Peter Rosenberg]

She ain't gonna be outside. Like, you were at a Facts.

[Laura Rosenberg]

They're just. These kids are different now. I will tell you. Listen, my goddaughter, I was like, look at her. All she does is smoke weed, gets straight ace and occasionally wants to go to concert. Other than that, she just wants to stay home, get straight A.

[Peter Rosenberg]

That's interesting, though. She still wants to smoke weed. So the weed part is there because weed's more common, etc. Yeah, but the socializing part isn't the same.

[Ebro Darden]

How old is she?

[Laura Rosenberg]

20, I think. 21. She just turned 21.

[Ebro Darden]

Well, so it was outside my front door, though, or in my family. Right. Like I had family members. And outside the front door, Issa won't have that.

[Peter Rosenberg]

No. Outside her front door is a hallway that leads to a doorman.

[Laura Rosenberg]

Right.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Totally different situation.

[Laura Rosenberg]

Not the same thing. Yeah. Nobody's gonna be knocking on her window.

[Ebro Darden]

Speaking of Iran, I want to read this to you guys, and let me know what you think.

[Laura Rosenberg]

Where are we?

[Peter Rosenberg]

We have the gurus, though.

[Ebro Darden]

Well, we're gonna get to the gurus immediately. Next. This says breaking. This was two hours ago. The US And Iran are reportedly close to a deal of sorts. Now, if you don't recall, the 48 hours ago, there was supposed to be a ceasefire, and there was also supposed to be, like, operation, what was it, Epic Freedom or something, where we were, like, escorting. Escorting ships through the Strait of Hormuz, and Iran was saying, no, you can't do that. And then yesterday, Iran actually fired on some ships. Oh, and then. And the US Was like, all right, we're stopping this whole operation. Where Ruby. What did he say, Lou? Where Rubio was like, we're moving on to a new operation after. After Iran punked us, by the way. That's pretty good synopsis, right?

[Peter Rosenberg]

That is basically what it was.

[Ebro Darden]

Here it is.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Break.

[Ebro Darden]

Breaking. The U.S. and Iran are reportedly close to a deal of sorts. Tell me what this sounds like to you. This is from Brian Kra. Kranstein. Krassenstein. On. On Twitter. Core terms under discussion reportedly include Iran pause uranium enrichment, commit to no nuclear weapons, you know, all of the inspections and no activity at your underground nuclear facilities. The United States to ease sanctions on portions of Iranian frozen assets, reduce restrictions and military pressure around the Strait of Hormuz. Basically, Obama's Iran deal. So we've done. People have died.

[Laura Rosenberg]

Yes.

[Ebro Darden]

By the thousands in Iran. Yep. Hundreds of American soldiers have been injured. Some debt.

[Laura Rosenberg]

Yes.

[Ebro Darden]

And we're back at the same place that we were when Trump, Before Trump tore up Obama's deal. Yep. Oh, and, oh, by the way, New York Times last week put out a report that we used so many of these Tomahawk missiles and all of these things that we've depleted our weapons supply, like, by, like, 60%.

[Laura Rosenberg]

Yeah.

[Ebro Darden]

It'll take seven years. It'll take seven years for us to get our weapons supply back up. So I just want to tell you guys what I think about this. I think this was a cover for Iran or for Israel to do what they were doing in Lebanon and the world not be able to pay attention to it. It. So that's part one. Right. Because if you think about the news cycle, southern Lebanon and Iran expanding that border and whatever's happening with them, blowing up bridges and towns and running people out, that hasn't gotten a lot of.

[Peter Rosenberg]

No, because it's all about the Hormuz

[Ebro Darden]

and what's it's been about Hormuz. I think the second play here is what it's going to do for the defense manufacturers. So they just ran through a bunch of missiles and stuff. So guess what stock price is going to up the.

[Peter Rosenberg]

The. Your.

[Ebro Darden]

Your Lockheed Martin and all those people who got to now spend the next several years replenishing our weapon supply. And guess who's not gonna cut budgets on defense? The U.S. the United States of America.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah, this sounds like a good theory. Actually this is way better than your theory on Stefan Diggs Cook.

[Ebro Darden]

Where the you think the lawyer was

[Peter Rosenberg]

taking prep her for the stand. Yeah, I don't think that one's real. This one I think actually makes sense because nothing else does, right?

[Ebro Darden]

What else would it be? We got nowhere. Nothing happened. Matter of fact all we what really happened is Iran got to show the world how much they control that straight. That's what they got out of the deal. The fact hours don't play with us.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I saw. I read ahead. I read a part in New York Times article yesterday that said Trump keeps saying we have all the cards. And it is. This is. This is a news article. Wasn't op ed. President Trump keeps saying the United States holds all the cards. It is literally the opposite. Iran holds all the cards and it's being shown them. We're being shown that they actually have

[Laura Rosenberg]

all the cards and one mission was accomplished. People are exhausted. They're tired of the Epstein files. They don't care. They don't believe it's gone. Who cares what Epstein files? We don't know.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Well, it did a good job of that. Listen, you gotta get credit where credit is due. This war and killing people and doing all this stuff, very effective in making people move on.

[Laura Rosenberg]

Yeah.

[Peter Rosenberg]

So yeah. Hold on real quick before we get to the gurus. Spent all this time on his goddamn list and all this show my dope ish Bascom from yesterday.

[Ebro Darden]

So wait, you were really mad at the list and jealous and you wanted to get to your own billboard in time?

[Peter Rosenberg]

You should. If I don't. If I. I almost forgot to go. It was the last day. By the way. Real quick, shout out to my boy Chase. Chase made the.

[Ebro Darden]

So wait, you couldn't even celebrate me being number nine on the list? You. You spent the whole time complaining and devaluing a list I was number nine on?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yes.

[Ebro Darden]

For me to then see your billboard and I got to act like your show on Sirius XM real late is Super John Blaze. But my number nine good I think you should be higher, more aggravated about academics and number one than you were about me being number nine.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Well, because I. You should.

[Ebro Darden]

And I was happy to be number nine, but.

[Peter Rosenberg]

But that's the thing is if the list was real, you shouldn't even be number nine. You should be higher than that. So.

[Ebro Darden]

Bro, I've been doing this 30 years. To even be in the convo is mind blowing to me.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Well, that you have a low bar for yourself. You should be like two or like, what?

[Laura Rosenberg]

All right, well, great job, Ebro and Rosenberg, I'm so proud of you.

[Peter Rosenberg]

We can both all have props. Yeah, there's props to go around.

[Ebro Darden]

Nah, don't try to like glad hand it now, bro. You trashed my whole little number nine.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I didn't say anything about your number nine.

[Ebro Darden]

Exactly. That's trash in it, Rosenberg.

[Peter Rosenberg]

All right.

[Ebro Darden]

You know, you are a beautiful queen, bro.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Don't ever play yourself.

[Ebro Darden]

You're not a guru.

[Laura Rosenberg]

Breathe in. Breathe out. The original gurus. Gmail.com theoriginalgurus gmail.com where the gurus unite to shine the light. Ibrah burn the sage. Hi, Rosenberg. Who's out there? Who needs this? Who's writing to us?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Ah, the original gurus. Gmail.com the original gurusmail.com, your destination. For clarity, send your emails today. Ebro Laura. Ebro Rosenberg. I'm a 33 year old woman living in Brooklyn. I had a professional degree and I've worked for years as an architect and project manager. Built a stable, comfortable life for myself as a single woman. Over the years, I did a lot of creative, loving, talented and complex men who are all in different stages of building their careers. I've always tried to be supportive, helping them connect with clients, find gigs, letting them use my apartment to work, even giving them a place to crash during hard times. You always hear stories about women holding their man down while he works towards their goals. And I genuinely don't mind being that kind of partner. But somehow my relationships, in my relationships, my support ends up making these men feel insecure instead of encouraged. More than once I've been told my stability, career and independence make men feel in fear year. They'll say they don't know what they can bring to the table until they get themselves together financially or professionally even. Eventually, they start pulling away because they feel like they have more work to do on themselves first. What hurts is they don't seem to understand that I'm not asking them to have it all figured out. I'm willing to build alongside Someone and support them while they grow. I understand being busy and focused on goals, but it feels like asking for basic communication and a few hours of quality time each week gets treated like I'm demanding 247 attention. I know I'm a good woman. I'm not materialistic or want extravagant things. I just want to feel wanted, chosen and prioritized by the man I'm with. So my question for the gurus is, why does some men seem intimidated by a woman who's stable and supportive? And what is a successful woman supposed to do when she keeps running into this pattern? Truly yours, a Brooklyn woman trying to figure out if she's building real relationships or accidentally running a non profit for emotionally unavailable artists.

[Laura Rosenberg]

Accidentally running a non profit?

[Ebro Darden]

How? I got a question. Rosenberg or Laura.

[Laura Rosenberg]

Yeah.

[Ebro Darden]

How often do you think in these encounters, dating, whatever it is, you know, situationships, whatever her success, independence and all of these things are a part of the primary part of the combo or primary part of her identity?

[Laura Rosenberg]

I don't know. But I've been where she's been. I, when I was, you know, dating, there was a couple of guys that I really liked, but they, they were just not comfortable with the attention or the access or like we go to a party. I remember one scenario, we were at an event. I, I knew the dj, they sent us a bottle, send us a bottle. I was like, great, we got a bottle. He was like, uh, you trying to emasculate me? He was not with it. But isn't your didn't feel comfortable and he felt embarrassed and he told me, I feel embarrassed by it.

[Ebro Darden]

But is it. But a public figure is another level than what she talks.

[Peter Rosenberg]

This is, this isn't even that.

[Ebro Darden]

And by the way, that's that being able to be secure as a part even. I've dealt with women who are the same way.

[Laura Rosenberg]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Ebro Darden]

Who are like, yo, there's you just. I can't deal with your world.

[Laura Rosenberg]

Yeah.

[Ebro Darden]

You know, too many women you're talked about too. I just can't. Like, that's a, that's a different dynamic, I think, than what she's talking about where she's just basically like, men don't even know how to. Or the one she's meeting don't even know how to dote on her or, you know, know how to be comfortable with her level. Like she said of independence.

[Laura Rosenberg]

Yeah. So what do you, what are you saying? You think that she's like, I don't know.

[Ebro Darden]

I'm asking. I don't know. Because there Are people, men and women, who. Their whole identity is their accomplishment?

[Laura Rosenberg]

Yes. Yes.

[Ebro Darden]

Their whole identity is what? My scholastic accomplishments, my financial accomplishments, the fact that I own homes and things. It's their whole identity.

[Laura Rosenberg]

Places I like to eat, you know, places that like to go. And then some people are just not on the same level. Or some people are like, yeah, I can't afford that. And that makes them feel a certain way.

[Ebro Darden]

Right.

[Peter Rosenberg]

But we saw this in. I saw a comment say it and it was already what I was thinking. She's given us all the spiel about her and they're not comfortable. Lady, let me be nicer. Babe, sweetheart, my love, whatever you want to say.

[Ebro Darden]

That sounds condescending.

[Peter Rosenberg]

No. Okay. I mean, yeah. Honey. Sounds bad.

[Ebro Darden]

Too bad. Sweetheart is bad. Sweetheart. Girl, there you go.

[Peter Rosenberg]

You're picking the wrong men. You're picking losers.

[Laura Rosenberg]

Yeah.

[Peter Rosenberg]

And now you're making the whole thing about like. I'm just. I guess they're just not comfortable with how I. Bro, first of all, congratulations to you that you have a good life. Let's not get too gassed. You're you. You know what I'm saying? This is. It's giving Chris Rock. I take care of my kids like we. Yeah, it's great. You have a great life. You put together a great life.

[Ebro Darden]

Did work. You did work.

[Peter Rosenberg]

You deserve props for that. Cool. Have those. Pick someone who's equal to you. You're picking out someone who you probably think is hot and could lay them down and smack em. Yakum, as we might say, but is not really someone who's of your ilk, partner wise. So maybe you're prioritizing the wrong things like you want them younger and more attractive or whatever. The thing is, sounds like you need someone a little bit more mature who has their own. And then they won't feel anyway. Maybe it's that you want to be the top dog and as a result, you're creating this dynamic that isn't working for you.

[Laura Rosenberg]

That could be too.

[Peter Rosenberg]

So maybe you're just like the men that you're talking about because you don't want to be under a guy.

[Laura Rosenberg]

Yeah, that could be too. And there's people who don't like that feeling.

[Peter Rosenberg]

So you're picking choices here that are just not good. This isn't typical of everybody.

[Ebro Darden]

Well. And then you got to ask yourself, who am I? Where am I hanging out? Who I am? Am I hanging out with? What are my interests outside of work? Or what are these things?

[Peter Rosenberg]

This is the part when Ebro tells you to go Hiking.

[Ebro Darden]

Yeah. Or read a. Join a book club.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Or join a book club. But it's true. I mean, you are clearly picking guys. This isn't about, respectfully, what. Who you are and what you do. This is about who you pick, in my opinion.

[Laura Rosenberg]

Yeah. And these guys are just not that into you.

[Peter Rosenberg]

And in the end, they're not that into you.

[Laura Rosenberg]

Right.

[Peter Rosenberg]

You're actually setting them up. You're setting yourself up for it because you're drawing them in with some of the things you have to be appealing. But then when they get kind of bored of that, they're like, I'm. I just want to. I'm still young. I still want to make my thing happen.

[Ebro Darden]

Or like, they're intimidated and. And turned off by, you know, the fact that she lives her life at a certain way and they don't know how to, you know, I mean. And for fellas, fellas, I'll share this with you if you do. And ladies, too, anyone, if you do come across somebody that is more financially, you know, stable or in a situation than you are. Right. But they're still into you. Like, they like spending time with you. Whatever. They're not looking for you to come to them with things that they can already afford.

[Laura Rosenberg]

Yes.

[Ebro Darden]

They're looking for you to provide them good times in ways that they don't have.

[Laura Rosenberg]

Yes. Show me your favorite pizza spot. I want to go to the best one. Or that. You know what I mean?

[Ebro Darden]

You're not looking for. To, like, out shop them.

[Laura Rosenberg]

Yeah.

[Ebro Darden]

You know what I'm saying? They already have that. They're looking for you to, like, maybe schedule a cool date or a cool outing or carve out a cool afternoon or show them different interests that you may have that they don't have. Like, that's what a. A cool little dating opportunity. So, fellas, think about it through that lens. So many dudes. I can't speak for the ladies, but so many dudes think that being financially in a certain place, having expensive clothes and different things is the answer to actually meeting a lady. And it ain't no.

[Laura Rosenberg]

Yeah. No. I think that goes for women, too. So I think you need to find someone to meet you in the middle. And I'm with you, Rosenberg. I think you're just picking the wrong ones.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah. You can find one.

[Laura Rosenberg]

Yeah. We have faith in you. So say the gurus.

[Peter Rosenberg]

All right, all right. Super chat. Before we get up out of here, Eric Motion says, y' all remember when Ms. Badu called a mouse to his face?

[Ebro Darden]

No, it was Tom and it was Jerry.

[Laura Rosenberg]

Yes.

[Peter Rosenberg]

It's one of the greatest, most funny, phenomenal.

[Ebro Darden]

She was like, yo, you remind me of something.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Second only to Vic Men is saying, cuz, honestly, I think you a. I never in my life seen that. We still never to this day seen someone say that to someone on camera. Honestly, I think you a. I've never in my life.

[Ebro Darden]

It'll come. It'll happen again.

[Peter Rosenberg]

See, based on. Based on the guests that we're booking, it might happen next week on the show. Franklin Torres. That's a good tease. Franklin Torres says. What up, guys? Jurors in the building. Birthday shout out to my family members, Bonito Benito, Camila and Linda Verga. Sir Dweekno says, glad to see Complex is choosing to promote a media personality who openly supports white supremacist talking points and associates with people who also share those same views. Great job. Complex Creepin TV says, good morning, fam. Glad to see you all back. Keep your heads up and thank you for the show. Jw. Always coming through with some money. Appreciate you. James Meyer says. Hey, everyone. Happy birthday to my daughter Kenzie. Kenzie, my little princess is turning six. Happy birthday, Keem Broderick. Back in the building trashing. Tasha K. Fentanyl Jones is here.

[Ebro Darden]

Wait, what?

[Laura Rosenberg]

That's his name?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah, it's crazy. Wait, what? So some emperor Zaddy said I was. I was at the Costa event. RIP Costa, man. And said Sif saw me on the phone and called me out asking. Asking, who you talking to? Your nanny? I said, nah, Peter Rosenberg. He laughed. And then Fentanyl Jones gave us some. Some money as well.

[Ebro Darden]

Thanks, Fentanyl Jones. Hopefully that's not what you're selling out here. Send us money.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah, no, no, hopefully not. That's not. That's not how you got the.

[Ebro Darden]

Nah. I want to shout out NADESCA2's number 20 on the complex.

[Laura Rosenberg]

Yay. So that's an Adesca shout out to

[Ebro Darden]

our girl Nadesca too, man. And listen, tomorrow we will be back. Remember, today, Rosenberg's dad joins the Patreon for some.

[Peter Rosenberg]

That's great.

[Ebro Darden]

Talk about his life and his perspective on the goings ons in the world today. Get that on Patreon. Subscribe to this or that or both and we'll see you in the morning, man. Ebro, Laura Rosenberg.

[Laura Rosenberg]

Hi, guys. Hit that like button.

[Ebro Darden]

Just don't call it a podcast.

[Peter Rosenberg]

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[Ebro Darden]

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[Peter Rosenberg]

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