Bombshell New Evidence in the O.J. Simpson Case Feat. Chris Todd

Summary

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THE ED MYLETT SHOW – "Bombshell New Evidence in the O.J. Simpson Case"

Guest: Chris Todd, Private Investigator
Date: May 5, 2026

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Episode Overview

In this gripping departure from his usual motivational fare, Ed Mylett sits down with longtime private investigator Chris Todd to dive into his bombshell findings and theories regarding the O.J. Simpson double homicide case. Todd claims to possess significant new evidence and perspective, including the assertion that O.J. did not act alone. Drawing not only from direct interviews and years of research, Todd challenges both the official narrative and public assumptions, implicating a second accomplice and raising questions about evidence tampering, cover-ups, and even the media’s role in maintaining the established story.

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. Ed Mylett's Personal Connection

• Ed shares that his first business partner was dating Nicole Brown Simpson's sister at the time of the murders, providing him a unique, personal interest and some peripheral inside experience with the family’s ordeal.
  • (03:02)
  • “This is not just something that I watched on TV. [...] I was at least in a peripheral way around the trial and a little bit around the family.” — Ed

2. Chris Todd’s Credentials & Certainty

• Todd is a veteran PI with experience across various celebrity crime cases like Kurt Cobain and Biggie Smalls.
• He claims 90% certainty regarding his theory, noting a 10% margin due to the unreliable nature of criminal sources.
  • (04:02)
  • “I would say it's a 90. [...] I know 150% that OJ did not do this alone.” — Chris Todd

3. The Accomplice Theory — Who Was “Charlie”?

• Todd’s investigations (and O.J.'s own cryptic confessions/books) point to at least one accomplice, possibly two.
• The nickname “Charlie” comes from O.J.'s book and Fox interview, and Todd alleges that evidence of other shoeprints, fingerprints, and DNA at the crime scene and in the Bronco has been disregarded.
  • (05:39)
  • “OJ didn't do it alone. [...] There was blood DNA in the Bronco and at the murder scene that did not match O.J., Ron, or Nicole.” — Chris Todd

4. Night of the Murders: Todd’s Reconstruction

• The timeline: Nicole’s dinner at Mezzaluna, Ron Goldman delivering lost glasses, and the window for the murder between O.J.’s limousine departure and his scheduled flight to Chicago.
• According to Todd:
  • Two men (including "Charlie" and possibly “Joey Ippolito”, a now-deceased mobster) show up at O.J.’s house demanding payoff over drug debts.
  • Enraged and under pressure, O.J. goes with these men in the Bronco to Nicole’s house.
    • (11:12)
    • “I'm going to say two men show up at Rockingham and tell OJ they owe some money to them... it's a setup. It's an extortion to get money out of him.” — Chris Todd
  • O.J. both used and helped distribute drugs, despite public perception of his financial well-being.
    • (13:15)
    • “He was facilitating deals with these two men. Absolutely, 100%. And I can prove that.” — Chris Todd

5. Violence at the Crime Scene

• The attack was not premeditated for murder but spiraled due to building anger and a direct confrontation.
• Ron Goldman and Nicole were both “collateral”—Ron happened to be there, making the timing tragically coincidental.
  • (16:39-18:42)
  • “OJ wants to scare her... [but] here’s Ron Goldman at the front... [If Nicole] never dropped those glasses, Ron Goldman most likely is alive today.” — Chris Todd

6. Nature of the Attack — The Two Knife Theory

• Todd points out that two morphologically distinct knife wounds were found (from coroner Dr. Irwin Golden’s testimony), supporting the theory of two assailants.
  • (21:41)
  • “He says in the preliminary hearing there's two morphologically different types of stab wounds on the victims.” — Chris Todd
  • Allegations that the prosecution actively suppressed this evidence.

7. Evidence of Tampering and Law Enforcement Cover-Up

• Todd names specifics:
  • Blood at the scene and in the Bronco matching neither O.J., Nicole, nor Ron.
  • Second set of shoeprints (size 10/10.5 PLP) distinct from O.J.’s Bruno Magli size 12 print.
  • Glove at O.J.’s house possibly planted by LAPD detective Mark Fuhrman.
  • Questions raised about disposition of the murder weapon(s) and clothing.
  • (23:17, 29:42)
  • “Yes. There was planting of evidence. There's proof of that... The glove may have been planted by Mark Fuhrman behind the house.” — Chris Todd
  • “There's a 10, 10 and a half size parallel line print... It's not OJ's. OJ is a Z shape and he's a 12. There are about four of the accomplices' shoes.” — Chris Todd

8. Handling of Evidence Post-Crime

• Theories on missing evidence:
  • Kardashian bag theory dismissed; believed Kardashian took only clothing.
  • Possible disposal of items at LAX; Todd leans toward evidence being removed by the accomplices.
  • (33:02-33:13)
  • “OJ does not take these clothes back to his property. [...] these other man or other two men they could have left with the evidence of the clothes.” — Chris Todd

9. Naming the Second Accomplice

• Chris Todd directly names "Joey Ippolito" as the second participant, a "Mafia, hardcore drug smuggler killer," now deceased.
  • (34:02)
  • “I can say his name... Joey Ippolito.” — Chris Todd

10. Returning Home & Further Evidence

• O.J. parked the Bronco off-site; the accomplices waited until the coast was clear to dispose of or move evidence.
• Alan Park (limo driver) sees a figure matching O.J.'s build returning, but describes “a six foot black man in black clothing.”
  • (36:38-39:22)
  • Multiple blood types were found in the Bronco.

11. Media and Narrative Suppression

• Todd alleges deliberate blocking of alternative theories by both legal and media establishments.
  • (40:36, 48:48)
  • “That's why you don't know. Even though I've been screaming from the mountaintop for five years... the media is blocking the story.” — Chris Todd

12. Trial Aftermath, the Book, and O.J.’s Late-Life Profile

• Civil trial found O.J. responsible, but he never paid the awarded damages.
• O.J.’s book If I Did It is described as a “cryptic confession,” with “Charlie” possibly a pseudonym for the accomplice.
  • (54:46)
  • “That is a cryptic confession. And all he does is say, this is purely hypothetical... It’s not hypothetical.” — Chris Todd
• Todd claims to have bested the "Dream Team" and persistently faces resistance from those invested in the official narrative.
  • (57:39-61:19)
  • “He was a talker... OJ would come forward eventually, and he did… He told you there's an accomplice. You didn't listen.” — Chris Todd

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On the Unlikelihood of a Single Killer:

  • Ed: “I’ve always wondered... how one dude would be able to kill both of these very athletic people not with a gun, but with a knife.” (28:52)
  • Chris: “It is a compelling idea that there were multiple people there.” (28:55)

• On Media and Truth Suppression:

  • “When people speak a truth, I'm not going to say, Jesus, that’s way out of my league, but when they speak a truth that nobody wants—an inconvenient truth—they shun it.” — Chris Todd (49:27)

• On O.J. Simpson’s Life After the Acquittal:

  • “This is a narcissist. He's happy. He's not paying child support anymore. He's not paying alimony. [...] I think O.J. became a criminal after this, right? He started to hang out with all these hustler types. [...] I think he was cursed by what he did.” — Chris Todd (57:39)

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Important Segment Timestamps

• Personal Connection & Introduction: 03:02–04:02
• Chris Todd’s Certainty & Theory: 04:02–05:39
• The Accomplice “Charlie”: 05:39–08:21
• Timeline and Motive: 09:47–13:44
• Nature of the Scene, Two Knives: 16:39–21:41
• Evidence of Second Person: 23:17–30:55
• Handling/Disposal of Evidence: 31:20–34:02
• Naming the Second Accomplice: 34:02
• LAPD & Mark Fuhrman’s Role: 45:27–48:38
• Media Suppression of New Evidence/Theories: 48:48–50:32
• Civil Trial & O.J.'s Book/Confession: 51:45–54:46
• O.J. Simpson’s Later Years: 57:39–61:19
• Chris Todd’s Other Cases & Outro: 61:19–65:12

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Further Resources

• Chris Todd’s investigative work: silvercoastpros.com
• Direct contact (per guest): [e-mail]

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Tone & Takeaways

Ed Mylett approaches the episode as a fascinated but skeptical outsider, offering space for alternative viewpoints while refraining from making legal or factual claims on his own. Chris Todd, combining the tenacity and confidence of a veteran investigator with candor about the messiness of real-life evidence, makes a provocative, detailed case for an expanded understanding of the infamous crime. This episode is rich with explosive assertions, direct challenges to the historical record, and appeals to reconsider the seemingly “settled” truths of the O.J. Simpson story.

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“You make up your own mind. I just ask the questions today, the ones that I would hope that many of you would ask.”
— Ed Mylett (61:19)

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Transcript

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[C]

All right, welcome back to the show, everybody. So, you know, for the last 10 years, every single week we've been putting out episodes that either change or improve your life. And that's why we become one of the top shows in the world. And I'm very grateful for that. And I hope we continue to do that for the next 10 years. But this year, every once in a while, I want to do something that's a little bit off the beaten path for our show, which is to have a topic on the show that just fascinates me personally. And in my lifetime, one of the two or three most compelling stories, the things that just stand out as moments in time that I'll never forget is the O.J. simpson trial. And some information came across my desk about six months ago from somebody that has a theory as to exactly what happened in the murders of Nicole Simpson, Nicole Brown Simpson and Ron Goldman. That I thought was interesting enough that I wanted to share it with you. And so today we're gonna have a conversation with him. We haven't recorded it yet. We're about to go into it. And I just want to be clear. I'm not a detective, I'm not in law enforcement, I'm not an attorney. And I don't claim to know what happened exactly and the loss of life for these two precious souls, but he believes he does. And so what I'm going to do is I'm going to ask the questions that I think you would want me to ask. And I think it's going to be one of the most interesting, fascinating episodes of all time on the show. And then you can decide what you think happened, and so can I at the end of the conversation. And so I'll work on your behalf to get as much information as I can and keep it as entertaining as possible. I hope you enjoy this. Here we go. All right, guys, so I've already sort of introduced the episode today, so let me just introduce the person I'm going to talk to, Chris Todd. Chris is a veteran PI Been a private investigator a long time, but he's just one of the great truth seekers in the world today, whether that be what happened with Kurt Cobain or Biggie Smalls or what we're going to talk about today, mainly, which is O.J. simpson and the O.J. simpson trial. And I got to tell you, Chris, first. Welcome to the show, brother. Good to have you here.

[B]

Thank you, man. I'm honored to be here with you, Ed. Thank you.

[C]

I should tell you first in the audience why I have such an interest in this. Obviously, it's one of the, you know, most compelling stories of my lifetime. But I have to tell you, I haven't told you this until I wanted to record this trial. And what happened to particularly Nicole matters to me because I was fresh out of college, and my business partner in my first business was dating Nicole's sister at the time the murder happened.

[B]

Really?

[C]

And so I spent time around the family during the trial and, wow, a little insight into what the family was thinking initially as well. And so this is not just something that I watched on tv. It's something that I was at least in a peripheral way around the trial and a little bit around the family. And so I'm really interested in to hear what you've discovered or what your theories are before you tell us what they are. On a scale of one to a hundred, how sure are you that what you're about to share with us is accurate? Is it. Is it a 90? Is it a 52? How sure are you?

[B]

I would say it's a 90. And the reason I leave that little 10% is because, you know, I've dealt with a lot of accomplices and criminals, let's say, and you have to be careful what you believe from what they say. So I always leave, I'll leave you like 10% that. And we're going to get into something interesting today that I'm going to talk about, that there's actually another person involved with them that took me a long time to really kind of vet. So it's a fascinating story. My journey is beyond comprehension and, you know, all glory to God in a way of how I was brought into this. And we can get into that stuff, you know, as we go. I might know who your friend is, that probably I won't say his name, but I think I might know who that is off camera.

[C]

I'll share that with you, but not relative to the story. But I want to protect those folks as well. But start out by asking you, most of us that watch that trial, I'd say the majority of people that watch the trial eventually reach the conclusion that they believe that OJ killed Ron Goldman and Nicole Brown Simpson. Most of them how that I talked to, though, wonder whether he could have done this alone. And of course, there's a percentage of people that still believe that maybe he didn't do it or they don't know. First of all, lay out for us what you believe. You have a book you wrote called Ron's Revenge, what you believe took place. Just a general overview of what happened to these two precious souls who did it, they do it with someone else, they do it alone, etc.

[B]

Absolutely. And my original book was called if We Did It. This was the beginning of this saga after I kind of met one of the key players, let's say I came forward against that person today. I won't say their full name. I can say the actual name that OJ used. Right? OJ kept calling him Charlie. So that's in OJ's book, chapter six of if I Did It. And OJ supposedly had confessed cryptically to Judith Regan, to Fox. That interview was shelved for 12 years. It was barred from the public. Okay. The overview is because there's so much. I mean, just there's. I mean, this is seven years of. I saw things that I cannot even explain. So basically, OJ didn't do it alone, okay? And I know for a fact there's one person with them. There's possibly two people with them. Okay? That's where I leave that 10%. Okay? I know 150% that OJ did not do this alone. And a lot of people, like you said, a lot of people knew that too. And there was a lot of evidence, there was Other shoe prints in blood. There. There were other fingerprints. There was blood DNA in the Bronco and at the murder scene that did not match O.J. ron or Nicole. And I learned. And look, I'm not going to talk badly about the lapd, because they've actually been pretty cool listening over the years. They could have ignored me a lot. Right. But they've listened. And whether they do something, that's up to them. I don't control that. But O.J. did it. He had help. And it solves all the mysteries of, like, where the clothes went and the shoes and the knife. Why'd they never find that stuff? How did he get back to his house so fast? How did he get rid of everything? And nobody saw the Bronco? And where was the Bronco at the house? Like, he got dropped off. He jumped a fence. There was all this stuff. And like most of the public, I was a fan. I was in College. I was 20 years old when it happened. And so I did live it, too. And when I first met these guys, there's a couple of people involved with these projects, so to speak. I couldn't believe it. And it took me about a year to truly believe it after vetting it, using other sources, using my investigative techniques, and, I mean, I didn't sleep for a few nights after I was made aware of what was going on.

[C]

Imagine. So let me go through what I understand, and you'll just correct me, because I'll be wrong about this is 30 years ago or whatever it was. But my understanding is, is that there was some sort of a recital or something at school that day. Nicole ends up having dinner with family. And I think it's Met Saluna. I think that's the name of the place. Ron was a server there. And I. I think maybe O.J. came there and there was a disagreement or he left. That part you can clear up. But how do you get from Met Saluna to OJ Pulling up? Let me just help speed this up, too. OJ Lives down the street. There's the front entrance to Nicole's house. There's a back entrance in Nicole's house. My understanding is you believe that he drove down what would be considered like, the back alley that night. Fix what I just said. That's wrong. My understanding also is that Nicole supposedly left some glasses at the restaurant called the Restaurant. Ron agrees to deliver them to the house that night. And what one. How did he get there? And be. Why did he do this? Like, what compels this guy? He was obviously violent with her in the past, but this night, did he intend to kill her? Did he intend to scare her? What makes him get in his car knowing he's flying to Chicago, I think, later that night, and drive over there and do this. What's. What. What spurred this change in his behavior or acceleration of his behavior?

[B]

Yeah. And you remind me at the end, I'm going to start with the first part of what you said, and then I should be able to remember that second. Or they go to. There is a recital. Nicole does go to dinner at Metzaluna with her family and the kids. OJ doesn't go. Whether OJ was invited or not, there's a lot of different theories.

[C]

Was he at the recital? And that's where there was a. Yeah,

[B]

he was filmed there. A guy from Portland, Oregon, filmed O.J. kissing one of his children. And that was a big piece of the story in case. So he was there. Nicole and O.J. were not speaking to each other at this time on June 12, 1994. They hated each other like cats and dogs, man. I can't explain it. There's a couple things about this IRS letter. They. I mean, they were. It was bad. It was really bad. And there were a lot of warning signs over the years, okay? These friends should have stepped in this. This murder is not premeditated. It's not. Okay? OJ's waiting for a limousine to come take him to the airport to go to Chicago within minutes. Minutes. I'm not talking hours. I'm talking within minutes. Okay? Basically what happens is I'm going to say two men show up at Rockingham and tell OJ they owe some money to them.

[C]

OJ and them owe these people money.

[B]

There's two. I'm going to say this because I can say this legally. Charlie, quote, unquote, and another gentleman, that I may say the name as we go, because he died. He's dead. Okay, If I remove. I know Charlie's there. If I remove the second guy, right? And I just focus on one guy doing an extortion, right? You owe us money. They owe us money for drugs. You guys have been, you know, you have to understand the Mafia mentality. It's a setup. It's an extortion to get money out of him. Because OJ has nowhere to go. Who's he going to go to? The cops. He can't go anywhere. So OJ had a drug problem. A lot of people knew that. And he was entangled in the wrong crowd, period. So was Nicole. So was Fay Resnick to some degree. Keith Z May have been. These were the people from Mezzaluna. These were the good friends in Nicole. There was a lot of stuff going on in LA in 94. Okay? Basically, OJ freaks out and says, no, I'm not doing. I'm not giving you a dime. And they're, They're. The tables have turned. And O.J. says, We're going to Nicole's, and he has them go in a Bronco with him to Nicole's house at about. At about 10:20pm he leaves Rockingham because the limo lands at, like, 10:25. He misses him. The limo never sees a Bronco. Okay?

[C]

This what compels this guy knowing he's getting on an airplane to drive over there. So you're saying what compelled him is one or two of these shadowy figures, kind of mob dudes. And you've. He's investigated this. Everybody. This isn't something that he's just, look, you know, it's actually something that OJ Said as well. So these guys. There's a confrontation backdrop on that. Just really quickly is he said OJ Had a drug problem. Did OJ Also help you believe in his past maybe distribute or sell any of these drugs to people, and that's why he was entangled with these two guys?

[B]

Absolutely. He was facilitating deals with these two men. Absolutely, 100%. And I can prove that. And also, AC was, too. And that can be proven also. It's. Some of it's in the public domain.

[C]

It's talk drugs. When he's got a Herz rental car deal, he's making some movies. He's on. I think he's doing football on NBC at the time. Is he hurting for money? How is he hurting for money? Plus, he's got an NFL pension. Why is he dealing drugs?

[B]

This is. This is the segue into the seven deadly sins. This is the segue into temptation. I believe through my cases, a lot of them, and I talk about this, my spirituality and God and Jesus with these cases and how they helped me in a way, is OJ Was possessed by anger, jealousy, rage. He's angry, he's embarrassed, he's mad. And when we hit that point of no return, there is no turning back. He couldn't turn back. He told his bail bondsman in Vegas years later, I should have just got on my plane. He knew in the retrospect, I, I. What was I doing? Why he could have told these guys, hey, chill out. I'll take care of it. Why does he need to. Why does he need to race to Nicole's before he's going to get in a limo to go on an airplane because of his anger.

[C]

So if I could, I don't want to do that a lot. But there's, just in case people aren't familiar, there was a, this was a very volatile relationship. There was violence in the relationship. They'd broken up and got back together several times. There are, you know, pretty valid stories that maybe that Nicole had dated, we'll call it dated, a few of OJ's friends. He had had some frustration about that. But I don't understand. Two guys show up, kind of a shakedown, you owe us money. Why Nicole's house? Why is that where he's going?

[B]

So they name Nicole. When they're talking to him, they're saying her name and they're also saying Keith Z's name. Now Keith Z was the one that triggered a lot of this anger. The 911 call in October of 93, the stalking incidents. That's Keith. So when they say Nicole's name, Fay Resnick, Keith, this is setting him off. They're pushing his buttons. Okay? And, and it's, it's dark, man. He obviously a guy that was that good looking, that charismatic, that famous. You're absolutely right. We can't see how he would do it, but God can and the devil can. That's what happens when all the time, almost every day, people do things they should not do. So, you know, it's a sad story. It became a total mess after that. There's a lot of different theories and evidence that pointed to this. And you know, I do want to touch about the COVID up and the censorship of this story, but we can keep going.

[C]

So either one of these guys, which the first time I heard you, your theory, you thought there was one guy, let's just leave room that there could be a second guy with him. In your theory, everybody. I, I have no idea what happened. Obviously I've not done any investigating. So they, they end up in his car. You say it's not premeditated, but then at the same time I've been told he's wearing gloves and a mask. So if it's not premeditated, why does

[B]

gloves and a mask, not a mask? That's something Mark Furman said. There was no mask, it was just a cap. It was a beanie cap like he wear when he golf. He said the gloves were driving gloves, okay? They're isotoners. He wasn't in like this costume. Like people try to say that, look, let me, I'm going To give you the quick sound bite. OJ Wants to scare her, okay? He had stalked her before in all black clothing. Probably had the cap on, maybe he had the gloves. Maybe he had thought about this before doing this before. Keith Z. Talks about this when he watches them through the window. He felt he could be killed, okay? He could have come in. He was, like, trying to get in the house. It was all locked, okay? So he had done this before. The Colby's in the trial, had talked about seeing a man, black man, outside at Gretna Green. So a lot of people know that. So he's wants to scare her. And in his book, in chapter six, he tells you, I'm going to go read her the riot act. He wants to scare her. Now, whether he tries to say, I had a knife. I took it. I took it up from under the seat. Look at this blade. And he tells Charlie, look at this blade. And Charlie says in the chapter of the book, what are you doing, dude? Put that away. We're. You're gonna go talk to her. Go talk to her, right? So there's confusion about how many knives there really are. Do these other guys have knives and guns? Most likely. I mean, dealers carry weapons, period. Especially in the. The. The white. The snow game, okay? They are ready to die at any moment, okay? Anyone will tell you that in that game. So they're there to scare them when they show up and go through the back gate. The problem is there's Ron Goldman at the front. Here's a white guy, good looking, dressed to the nines, dropping off Judita's glasses. Nicole's mother, she dropped him on the sidewalk. If she never dropped those glasses, Ron Goldman most likely is alive today.

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[C]

You believe just. I've always wondered this. You believe that this was just coincidental and that there was no, probably no pre existing relationship between Ron and Nicole that was anything more than friends.

[B]

They. They. There's no evidence that they were lovers. Actually, I do have a piece of tabloid evidence in the discovery file that I'm willing to show to people for free where it talks about Ron Goldman was in love with Nicole. I have it in the witness statements from one of Ron's friends. Okay.

[C]

Beautiful blonde lady that comes in the restaurant, he's got a crush on her. Right?

[B]

So exactly.

[C]

Is it also accurate? Before you tell us what you think happened, correct me if I'm wrong because I certainly could be that the wounds on both of them. And please tell me if I'm wrong about this because this is significant to your point that there. There's evidence that it is two different knives that were used in the assault. If that's true, why in the world did that not Come out at trial or did it?

[B]

It did. And what happened was in the very beginning, they put on Dr. Irwin golden, who was the coroner, the original coroner. He was the deputy coroner. He had a boss, Dr. Lochmann, but. But he did the autopsy. Dr. Irwin Golden. He says in the preliminary hearing there's two morphologically different types of stab wounds on the victims. Shapiro gets with them, he starts grilling them. Could two knives have been used? Yes. And that's all recorded. Now what happens the next day? Marcia Clark kicks him off the case, literally. And that's a problem. They actually went to other corners across the country for somebody else. Why? Because it's a cover up. They don't want to hear that there's two knives and it's. So this is, this thing was rooted right in the beginning with COVID up right away. And there's different reasoning for that. Some of it they just wanted oj. Some guys were afraid of the mob guys. Look, one of the guys is an animal. Not Charlie, the other one. If he was still alive today, I would not be talking to you.

[C]

Fair enough. So philosophically, what you believe is there was. We're going to go into this moment with Ron Goldman in a minute. But you do believe that OJ did this with an accomplice. And having said that, you also believe there was on the prosecution side and the law enforcement side, you also believe there was tampering of evidence and a cover up. He's nodding his head, but just for audio, you're saying yes to that?

[B]

Yes. There was planting of evidence. There's proof of that EDTA in different segments of the blood on different pieces of evidence. And the glove may have been planted by Mark Fman behind the house.

[C]

Okay, so now we'll go. Now we're going to go back this moment. So OJ's coming up the walkway from the alley behind. Ron's at the front door, talking to Nicole, delivering the glass, Mom's glasses. Do you, you probably don't know this, but you believe OJ walked up there alone initially, or is these other one or two men with him?

[B]

As he walks up, OJ tries to say in his book, in his confession, in chapter six, that Charlie followed this guy in. What he's trying to say is that like he goes in first to stalk and look through the windows and I, I see candles and I hear music. I believe the Charlie and the other gentlemen are with OJ at this time. I don't believe they're like coming from the front and waiting. I think they all come through Together through the back.

[C]

In. Just to be clear with everybody, it's not in the house. It's in like a foyer, like a, A walkway. Walkway. Like a courtyard area near the house. Correct. So that's what you meant by in. They're not inside the house, they're outside. Okay, and then in your theory, what takes place now in this horrific incident

[B]

when, when they come down the, the. There's stairs. They have to go up and down these stairs. It's a long walkway. They're. As they come down, they see Ron Goldman at the front talking to Nicole. They see that now it's very dark. There's very little lighting there. It's a very small space. I talk about this. Four angry people in a very dark space. In a small space. Ron's there. They're unsuspecting. Nicole's got the menu. Like she's going to order food. She's barefoot. So obviously she just came out of the house. He buzzed to come out. He's got the glasses in a white envelope. This was a big piece of the evidence. Okay, he's doing that. They're talking. Here come the bulls in the china shop. What do you got? What's up? Well, they're startled at first, like, whoa, what's O.J. what are you doing here? Nicole hates him. So imagine she sees him. I don't know if she sees him holding a knife. Maybe he's dressed with the gloves and the hat. Because they find it there and there's two other guys or one guy with them. What's going on? You're not supposed to be here at all. Then there's Ron there, and it's just awkward. And a fight begins, an argument. And a gentleman hears this. Robert Hydstra, he hears it. Parts of it cross the street in an alley. And the prosecution tried to not use them. Like, you'll see all this cover up from the prosecution. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. It's all there. And basically a fight breaks out. I do believe Nicole swung on O.J. and from that moment, there's no turning back. The other knife being used. I do believe there are two knives. I do. Through the autopsy, through the evidence, I. I do believe there's two people doing it.

[C]

And you believe maybe just for. Just so everyone should just know this, the level of blood that was there, and maybe talk for a second. Just so everyone knows how. My understanding is this Ron Goldman young man fought pretty valiantly. If there's two or three dudes there, absolutely he did. I'm under my understanding also is Nicole was nearly decapitated. Wounds were so severe on her.

[B]

Maybe.

[C]

Maybe that's not true. You clarify that.

[B]

Yeah, well, they exaggerate the decapitation thing a little bit. Her spine was nicked. Okay. It didn't go through the spine. Okay. A lot of people try to say this. It's. Let's just say it's a nasty slice of the throat. Okay. It's not a decapitation. The. Ron is attacked and yes, he stabbed over 20 times. Okay, 25. Somewhere in there, he is fighting as bruising on both his knuckles, all both hands. There's bruising, abrasions. He's obviously punching. Now, when you look at OJ Simpson, did OJ have any marks on his face? No. So is he punching OJ or is he punching somebody else? Why is there blood from somebody else at the crime scene? Again, more signs that there's someone else involved. Okay. And yes, the blood is everywhere. You know, Nicole's feet are. They're. Her bare feet have no blood on them. There's a little spatter, I think, on maybe a part of her foot, but she's not standing in her blood. Okay. So she's down. She's always down on the ground. Okay. Ron is not really standing in hers either. So I do believe Ron was killed first. She's either knocked out, dazed. One guy's holding her down. Right. He could be hitting her. But the. The final cut is at the end when she's propped up on the stairs, because we have evidence of that. There's a wall of blood coming down a certain step. That's where she has to be. She's up on the stairs and then her legs are underneath the gate. The gate's only like 6 inches high. You could not get her legs under there. If she's standing up, she has to be laying down. So he yanks her hair back on the stairwell.

[C]

The. How definitive is it that there's third party blood there?

[B]

Absolutely. There's. There's other blood at the crime scene and in the Bronco. 100%.

[C]

Just the interest of time, I'd rather just sit in the space for a minute. And it's sort of a sacred place where these two beautiful people lost their lives. But we are doing a show here, so we're going to continue to progress through the scene. I've always, you know, just for me personally wondered this really young, stud, athletic Goldman guy, how one dude would be able to kill both of these very athletic people not with a gun, but with a knife. You would just think someone could have fleed or so you know. So it is a compelling idea that there were multiple people there. Now, we know from trial that on the way out, there's these footprints, as I understand it, from these unique shoes that O.J. simpson wears. You can discuss that. But also, are there other footprints leaving the scene that are not OJs?

[B]

Yes, there are. There's a 10, 10 and a half size parallel line print that Dr. Henry Lee and Barry Sheck talk about. They do a whole testimony on it, circle it. They call it the PLP, which means parallel line print. It's not OJ's. OJ is a Z shape and he's a 12. They're different shoes. They're not close in size. They're not close in print, period. There's about four of the accomplices. Shoes, whether those are Charlie's or the other gentleman, I pretty much know who it is, but let's just leave it open. Those are walking to the back also. So you have OJ shoes, the Bruno Molly, size 12, Z shape. Clear prints. I mean, multiple clear prints. They never found his shoes. That's the problem. They never found these clothes, the shoes. They found the hat and the two gloves. One glove at Rockingham, one glove at Bundy. You see what I mean? They didn't find the evidence, so they didn't find the knife or knives. Right. So there is. Yes, there are shoe prints walking out of to the alley to two sets.

[C]

Let's stay on the can't find the evidence thing. I've heard two theories on that. The first theory is that it comes back in his duffel bag, and Kardashian walks away from it when they're at the house, when OJ comes back. The other theory I've heard is that somebody saw him putting it in a trash can at LAX when he got out of the limo that night. Have you. Which of those two or neither do you believe to be why they never found everything?

[B]

My. My theory with all of this is the. The Kardashian bag was a garment bag. There's nothing in there. Okay? Even I think Kim Kardashian said she went through it. I don't know if that's true, but I think I heard that that's his close. He, Robert Kardashian should never have been allowed to take that. Here's another bumbling by the lapd, okay? This man just came back. He's a murder suspect. You're. Someone's grabbing his luggage like it's insane. It's waterline insane. So now Skip Junice says, I saw O.J. sticking something in the garbage can. What I believe that is is the towel that O.J. used to wipe himself off at the house and possibly his boxer shorts. Okay, that's what he's stuffing in the thing. But look, they said they searched all the trash cans at lax. You can look it up. They said nothing. So I don't know what he's doing. I do believe Skip Junas. I don't think he's making it up. And OJ didn't want them, Alan park, and Cato to touch this bag. That stuff could be in there. Absolutely. Because, look, think of it this way. What's he going to do with the towel after he goes in and he's bloody in his house? He can't leave that towel there. He leaves the socks there. Whether those are planted from the hamper, we don't know. They don't see blood on those socks at first. They don't think there's any blood. It comes weeks later. They go, oh, we found. We found Nicole's blood. And then there's a whole drama about that, about the LAPD leaked a story with a woman named Tracy Savage because she was sleeping with him. Like, again, it's just all this, and the stuff didn't even get tested yet.

[C]

Crazy. It's crazy in your theory. I suppose, potentially, this. These other. Other man or other two men they could have left with the evidence of the clothes.

[B]

OJ does not take these clothes back to his property. As for the glove, there's a couple theories. Did Mark Fuhrman plant the glove? Did he take it from the crime scene? Did he put it in the Bronco first? And then when Cato says, I heard, then he goes and, oh, I'll be right back. And then he takes the glove out of the Bronco and he puts it behind the house. We don't know. Are there other people jumping the fence when. When OJ's coming back? They're all scrambling back to the property because their cars there. I don't know. These are. There's a couple things I. I don't have the answers to, but, like, every

[C]

answer, I think it makes the story somewhat more credible. Let me. Let me parse a couple things here. So now OJ gets back. By the way, why don't you. At this point, you said he's passed away. Do you want to give us the name of who you think the second guy is?

[B]

I can say his name because it's out there. Joey Ippolito.

[C]

Oh, yeah, he's a rough dude. That's what you're saying.

[B]

Mafia, hardcore drug smuggler killer. Absolutely.

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[C]

So Joey Epolito and this other guy and OJ, or, or just the two of them get back in OJ's Bronco and they've got to get back to OJ's house while this murder is happening. The limo driver has already arrived at OJ's house just so everybody get timing. Also because I'm from that area, you should just let everybody know how close it is back to OJ's house and take us through that. How quick's the drive? And then what do you believe takes place next?

[B]

OJ does drive the vehicle. The one guy or two guys or passengers will say that he almost hits Joe Shively, crashes through San Vicente, lights off. This is a very famous story. She sees him, gets the license plate. This is about 10:50pm it's the proper time. It all lines up, they race back, lights off, which is insane. I just did this drive yesterday. He drives about 2, 3 minutes to Rockingham and he's up there and he parks on a side street. He cannot pull up to the house. He cannot. OJ's dropped off whichever way he comes in. Does he come through the front gate? Does he jump the fence? Does he go through the two tennis courts? In his book, he says he comes through the tennis courts, around the back of the house. That's what he says. We don't know. Okay. The blood droplets kind of lead from the gate to the house. He could have come through the front gate, dropped him off there. The Bronco is not parked at all. Okay? It is being held on another street with the evidence in it. OJ comes back quickly comes in the house. Alan park says, I saw an a six foot black man dressed in all black clothing. I think it's his skin. I don't think he's dressed. He's stripped down. He's not seeing him in any clothes. Okay, maybe black boxers and black limo driver, everybody. The limo driver, Alan park, very key witness, as was Kato Kalin, because they're together. When OJ reenters the house, literally, he sees Kato at the same time he sees O.J. in the driveway. He won't say O.J. though. He keeps saying a six foot black man. So that's something he has to address the rest of his life. Okay? And OJ rushes in, then he's still buzzing at the gate, and he finally answers and said, oh, I overslept. I'll be right down showering. I don't even know if he showers. He says he took a shower. To me, I think he just cleans up. I don't think he showers. They do find blood in the sink drain, but not in the pipe, supposedly. Whatever. In the bathroom sink drain they find a blood. I think he doesn't have time to shower, so he's racing to dry himself off, put on a band aid to his cut left Middle finger, right? And now he's coming down like nothing happened. Actor mode. He's a little out of breath. Breath. They talk about that little sweaty, like look, like he's a little frazzled. And then he starts loading the limousine. And the limit pulls away. And that's when the Bronco comes back in this park, when they're gone.

[C]

So these guys are in the Bronco just because you said blood. I just want to ask you two blood questions because it's evidence. Whose blood was found in his sink and whose blood was eventually found in the Bronco?

[B]

Oj's blood is found in the sink.

[C]

Okay, what about the Bronco?

[B]

The Bronco, all of their blood. Now watch Ron, Nicole, O.J. and the other accomplice. There's four different blood samples. The steering wheel, steering column is. O.J. tells you this in his Ross Becker interview. He says there was blood on the steering wheel. That didn't come back to me, Ron, or Nicole. I offer whose blood was that? Because he's trying to tell you he knows through all the evidence. And this was after he was acquitted, so he could speak. You know what I mean? He. He could tell you. Now, that was first interview. It's a fascinating interview. People should watch the Ross Becker interview. And there's a bet one, he does one in England. He does a few over the years. And he tells you, and then he tells you, and if I did it, he had help. You just didn't want to believe him. And the media was somewhat forced to block the story.

[C]

Why is the media forced to block

[B]

the story in 2006? Because the Goldmans, when OJ does the book in the interview, the Goldmans get so mad. They write Rert Murdoch and Fox and Rupert fires Judith Regan and shelves the interview. The book is kind of shelved, but it kind of comes out. But that interview is never seen for 12 years.

[C]

Remember that. Okay, so I guess we should go to. Now he's in Chicago. They call him back. It is important because not everybody knows these details. You referenced it earlier. He has a pretty significant wound on him. And what's the story for where this wound came from? Because he had to come up with this explanation for that.

[B]

And he's. I mean, he's still bleeding. If you look at the photo when he comes back 12 hours later, it's over 12 hours after the murders, he is still bleeding. It's crazy. It's on his left middle finger. Now there's two theories. Mark Fuhrman thought the dog bit him. That's viable, right? The Dog's barking. The dog witnesses the murders. The dog's name was Kato, named after Kato Kalin. The doctor says these are glass shards. Okay. Huzanga, who is OJ's doctor, there's a couple little cuts there. And OJ says he broke the glass in the sink in Chicago. So that's where he says it comes from. What I believe happened is he is hit with a knife on his finger. Whether it's himself or it's the other assailant, when they're swinging his hand, is either on Ron's neck or grabbing his hair, and he gets popped. That's what I believe that is.

[C]

And just as a. As a. In the interest of protecting everybody involved here, you said earlier that you're. You're 90% sure these two guys are involved, but you're 100% sure at least one of them is involved with them. And I. I know this is obvious, but I just want to take this for the record, because this is your story, it's not mine. You're 100% sure about OJ's involvement?

[B]

100%.

[C]

So he gets back. We'll go to the house, just really quick again and put a bow on this. OJ gets back to the house. The theory is Kato says he hears a thump on the guest house that he's in, right?

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

That's weird to me, but I've always

[B]

thought that was odd, the signal, because the way Ko says it in, in the very beginning, he makes a noise like, oh, somebody hit the wall. And it was like. Then when he's in the trial, he goes. He makes it very deliberate, as if someone's signaling that him. Now, whether he's thinking straight, I don't know. He messes up a couple times in the trial, like, well, the lights were off. Oh, no, they were on. He's like, he's trying to help oj. Like, he doesn't know what to say. So he's getting. He's trying to give different answers, I believe. I think OJ came behind the house and signaled for Cato to come out. I could be wrong. He's not crashing into any air conditioner. OJ knows the property like the back of his hand. He's not crashing into anything. I think he's saying to come out and distract the limousine driver. I can't prove it. Katos will not talk to me. He will not address it at all. So I'm sticking with that for now. That. That's a signal.

[C]

Okay. It could be A or B bump or signal. Okay. So just a couple things have always bothered me about this whole story. This is compelling, what you're saying, and if this evidence you've described is accurate, it's mind blowing that the world doesn't know this. It's mind blowing that they got through an entire, the most public trial in the history of our country. And that many of these things, the first time most human beings are hearing this is right now. That's mind blowing to me, number one. Number two, there was little parts of everything that just always thought, I thought, you know, be candid. I thought OJ did it right. But I, I was around that, so I saw it. But this idea of the glove not fitting, you know, if it doesn't fit, you must acquit. That part to me never bugged me. What bugged me was how the heck does one glove, glove end up at OJ's house? That just seems weird to me. It bizarre. Like, can you address your. I have two thoughts on it. One, how's he bring one club over there? Right there? Part of me is like, there's no way that's true. But then there's another part of me that thinks in the heat of the moment, Furman's not going to take a glove and plant it because he's not 100% sure OJ did it. So why would you then go hide or move evidence that early, not even knowing you got the right guy, not knowing what happened. You could lose your entire career by putting that glove there, maybe unnecessarily. So both of those sort of just. I don't, I can't, I can't get my mind around it.

[B]

There's two theories. I'm going to give you both, and I'm going to leave a little cliffhanger for these other guys to do their theory, because there's some other people working on this right now that are bringing up some good points about how that glove got back there. The first theory is the Steven Singular theory, which was Legacy of Deception. He was instrumental. He was a reporter from Colorado. How to source said, you need to look at the glove, the blood, the bag, and the stick. And he wrote a book called Legacy of Deception. He told the prosecution, softly, they wanted nothing to do with them. He went to the defense, he says, Mark Fuhrman takes the glove from the crime scene and puts it in the Bronco. Okay? He knows OJ's involved. He know he is. He knows he is. He knows it's Nicole. He knows where he is. He lies and says, oh, I didn't know it was nicole till like 6 in the morning. That he knew exactly who it was. They, they saw the pictures of O.J. in the house. They knew who it was. Mark Fuhrman, as a history of planting evidence. Okay? Period, provable, end of story, did crazy things. He, he made the Mark Fuhrman tapes. He talked about this, then he tried to backpedal and said, oh, it was all for a movie. Okay, sure. This is the theme of everybody. They're all got like two. They're always flip flopping. Okay? So he says he puts it in the Bronco at first, leaves it in there when. When he interviews Cato. And Cato goes, I heard something. Was there an earthquake? I heard someone on the back of my wall. Mark Fman leaves him for 15 minutes, and nobody knows where Mark Fman is. Even Van Ader and Lang and I think Ron Phillips is there. They're not. They don't know where Furman is. They're still with Arnell and Kato. Furman disappears for 15 minutes. That's why F. Lee Bailey and the other lawyers, they try to say every minute, what's he doing? See, Stephen Singular's theory is he goes to the Bronco, he has a stick he pulled from a fence, he picks up the glove. Whether he has it in evidence bag or he just walks it in the back and drops it there and he puts it there. Now, that's the first theory. Okay. The second theory is a new set of people are working on that they believe. I don't want to say too much. They believe that glove falls out of something. Not by OJ Doing that. That someone else dropped it. That's up to them. I need to leave that open. I can't talk too much about it.

[C]

I just don't know. The, the glove being there is one of the more bizarre parts of the entire trial to me.

[B]

No, it's. It makes me crazy.

[C]

Yeah, me too. At the same time, I'm thinking Furman's taking a pretty huge risk doing that that night, not knowing all of the elements.

[B]

You have to listen to the Furman tapes. He planted evidence on other men. Before Marcia Clark knew he was a cop. They knew. They warned her. Don't use them. Remember what Stephen Singular saying, and I knew Stephen. He passed away. What he's trying to say is Mark wants to be in the center of the case. So what better way for him to find the glove?

[C]

Okay, okay.

[B]

He injects himself right into it.

[C]

Why is a couple things. By the way, this is just fascinating and thank you for the information I don't have.

[B]

And the sad thing is, the funny thing is, see, you don't know about this because the media is blocking the story. That's why. You don't know. Even though I've been screaming from the mountaintop for five years and there's stuff at all the major outlets and they refuse to tell the story.

[C]

Why, though? So everything I always look at is like, okay, why would Furman put the glove over there? Like, realistically, why did they not pay attention to the blood evidence at the scene? Why would the media now, 30 years later, why would they block this? Or they just not believe it? Do they just make. As simple as they don't believe it?

[B]

We could give them partially, partially that out, right? We could say, hey, they don't believe Chris Todd. They don't believe this Charlie guy. Problem is, did you talk to Charlie? Did you do any investigation? Because if you did, you'd see it. See, I'm not calling them lazy, what I'm saying. And I used other people to do it, not just me, because I had to prove they're not just mad at me. They blocked everybody else. To all of them, they blocked them. All I believe what they're doing is it's a paradigm. They don't want to change it, right? It's kind of like jfk. You got the museums. They don't want to change Lee Harvey Oswald. So if you say, oh, I know who the shooter was on the grass, you know, they don't want to hear it. They don't. They don't want to hear it. So, and this goes to the truth. And I talk about Copernicus and the stories of, you know, when people speak a truth, I'm not going to say, jesus, that's way out of my league. But when they speak a truth that nobody wants an inconvenient Truth, they. They shun it. They get rid of it. So it's not a weird. It's not that weird. You know what I mean?

[C]

Inconvenient truth is you're leading me where I want to go. I don't want to go into the trial because. Because, you know, I've done enough reading on the trial about, you know, I, it. Even after jury selection, I don't think O.J. was going to be convicted. I don't think. I think the legal team was tremendous. I'm Chris Darden. Seems like a nice guy. Mara, you have your theories about them. I don't even want to cover that. I. It. It looked like the deck was stacked and obviously, I think even in retrospect, Marcia or Darden would probably tell you they do some things differently, for sure. I think I've actually seeing Chris Darden say that I want to go after the trial. So there's. Obviously, most people don't know this, but there's a civil trial afterwards because most people think OJ was innocent. He got off or wasn't innocent, but he was found. Right? He was acquitted, right? Well, yeah, but then there was a civil trial. Why don't you just refresh everybody's memory what happened there? Because this is valid. And then on top of that, Chris, why would he then do these interviews and write a book? If I did it, what was his motivation for doing. Was it just money? Why did he do it? So talk about the civil. And also, OJ would even afterwards do all this, which is bizarre.

[B]

The civil trial, he is found guilty. The Preponderance of evidence, 51, whatever you want to say. He does long depositions, he speaks, he sings for days. They got him in there for like, seven, eight days. In the deposition, he's wearing his different sweaters. You can see by the different days, by his clothing. He's there forever. He's talking. You can't. You can't pinch him. One of his lawyers told him not to talk, and. And he said, no, I'm gonna. And I know the lawyer personally. He's a good guy. He told them, don't say a word. Let's just go to it. But O.J. tried to talk himself out of it, and he lost. So that was a $33 million judgment for the Browns and the Goldmans together, that he was found responsible for their murders. He never paid a dime. What he did was they liquidated some of his stuff. And I'm going to call out one of his friends right now. They got about 300 grand from things in his house. You know what OJ's friends decided to do? They decided to take the real jerseys and switch them with fake jerseys and rub dirt on them and pretend they were the jerseys and grab footballs and scuff them up in the driveway and then pretend those were the real ones. And then that guy stole all the stuff. Yeah, yeah, yeah. They're disturbing everybody around. O.J. is a scumbag. Anyone that ever interacted him with him after the murders was a scumbag. Period. End of story. I could prove it 20 different ways from Sunday. So it's disturbing. Like, he never pays. He goes, I won't work. I won't work. Okay, now now, let's move on. He does interviews right away. Ross Becker, Bang. They probably paid him a million dollars. I don't know how much they paid him. He did bet. He flew out to England. He did Judy Finnegan. He did that one. He does others. Ruby Wax. He does Chris Myers with the spn. He walks. Wants to talk to you. Wants to talk. Nicole used to always joke about it. There he goes again. Large head, talking again. He was a talker. And if. And look, I will never be on a level of OJ's popularity. I brought up myself from nothing. I've had some notoriety. It's addictive. It is when I'm not. Sometimes I'm like, oh, man, I got to get back to those levels. I was a few years ago. You want to go back? And I knew OJ would come forward eventually, and he did. Twelve years later, in 2006, he decided to tell his story, and he did. He just didn't say Charlie's last name. He told you there's an accomplice. You didn't listen. You didn't want to believe him. And then nobody investigated this. It was easily investigated. Easily.

[C]

So if I did it, the book that OJ wrote, I Believe is what it's called, and it was. You believe that that is an actual confessional, not some parody or novel.

[B]

That is. That is a cryptic confession. And all he does is say, this is purely hypothetical. And when he does that, if you really look at his face, you could tell he's lying. It's not hypothetical. Now, whether the Charlie guy represents both of the guys or the Charlie guy represents. It's a fake name for the other gentleman. Like, they're blaming each other and they don't want to say his real name. Charlie's a term. Like, Charlie don't surf. You know, Charlie Company. It's. It's a term. Okay, so it's not like that has to be a person, right? People thought it was OJ's alter ego. That's what they really thought it was. That's what Darden says. I think Charlie's oj. And look, he's not wrong. It's not a bad thought. But my question and challenges to all of you is, why didn't you look at it? If he said it in 06 and he wrote it in a book, why didn't you investigate every single Charlie he knew? Why didn't you look at every piece of evidence again? Why not? That's why OJ says, too, this was the greatest murder case in history. Why didn't they really look at it, I find it curious. They'll never be another OJ again. He was a genius, and I hate to say it like that. What he did on this afterwards is complete brilliance. Okay, not in a good way, but a lot of brilliant people are sometimes evil.

[C]

And again, everybody, just for my audience, you know, this is Chris's evidence. I, I don't. I haven't been able to validate whether the. There was multiple blood at the scene and the footprint prints and all that, but I've seen enough of this. And just in all candor, if my honest is wondering why I did it, I've had. I protect them too. But there's a significant person in OJ's legal team that I had some very late night, extended wine with.

[B]

Okay, cool.

[C]

Many of the things that Chris is saying, I had heard elsewhere. That's just what I'll leave at. And so that doesn't mean it's accurate. I'm not pulling the two things together. I'm just telling you that I wouldn't have had Chris on if it was the first time I had heard any of these things. Now, some of the things Chris says, it's the first time I've heard them, but some of them aren't, and I'll just kind of leave it at that. Let me ask you a question I've always been fascinated with, with what it would be like to be O.J. simpson. Now the rest of my life after I know I've likely killed these two human beings, and I'm wondering if you have any insight or information. How did he live out the rest of his life? I mean, we know he went to jail and all that again, but did he carry guilt? Did he ever share with people privately how he felt? Like, what's the profile on this guy as he's aging and facing mortality? Do you have any insight into anything about him at that point?

[B]

Absolutely. I know people that knew him personally over the years. I knew a couple different PIs that knew him, family members. I've spoken to a lot of people from this case. You know, if you look at O.J. right after the acquittal, he used to talk to people outside his house at Rockingham eating a donut. He didn't care. This is a narcissist. He's, he's, he's happy. He's not paying child support anymore. He's not paying alimony. If he says he never had alimony, whatever. He doesn't have that headache. Yeah. Is he go to bed at night, sad that the mother of his children is gone, probably. I'm sure he's human, right? But he kept living normal. Now, supposedly he had a reality show. He did a graphic video with a woman that he ripped the cameras out of the room. This is a funny story that they offered him a million dollars to do a adult movie. He showed up, classic OJ and said, yeah, I'm gonna do it. And he ripped the cameras out of the room. They had the audio only. And so he, I think O.J. became a criminal after this, right? He started to hang out with all these hustler types. The Vegas robbery happens. He's with a bunch of creepy guys. They're bringing guns to rob what? Footballs and jerseys and a picture in the call. Why do you need a gun? You don't. They, they robbed Alfred Beardsley and Bruce Fromong, who you could push over with your two fingers, okay? Like there's, there's no need. I think he was lost. I think he was cursed by what he did. Right? And I've seen mediums talk about Nicole punishing him and sending the. The Christy Prote was the Nicole look alike. She looked exactly like nicole. Look at OJ's girlfriend. It's creepy. I mean, very similar. And she was. They both were in the drugs and she's off the rails. And he, you know, he also had hid money. He was given deals. He had an Internet show he was going to do. He was one of the first people to do an Internet show, if you look it up on MN1. So he was living his life hiding money, not giving it to the Goldmans and the Browns. People would put his house in a different name. Nothing was in his name. Somebody gave him a Bentley. Like, there's all this different stuff. So he, I think, did the best he could to make as much money as he could. He had a pension, 20 grand a year with a month. So. But I think he was always haunted. And he told people over the years, I should have just got on my plane. He tells Jeff Felix in jail. Two drug dealers came to my house the night of the murders. 2. Jeff writes it in the book I Met Jeff. And he also tells it in the Ed Opera, an interview. Go listen to it, people. So OJ was telling us, no one can keep that secret. Come on. No one can. And even, even people close to oj, they couldn't keep the secret either. They've called me at midnight, threatening me, saying a bunch of stuff. And then I'd catch them lying about the evidence and they'd hang up and you know, I, I basically. Look, I beat these people. I beat the dream team. And I'm not saying it in a arrogant way, it's just the truth. I beat all these people. I beat them. I met Barry Sheck. I met Bob Blazer. Shapiro said a nice thing about me once. Chris Darden sent me nasty texts. I beat all of you. It doesn't matter now. Did I get lucky? Was I in the right place at the right time? Sure, a little bit. Well, so was Gary Webb. So was Woodward and Bernstein. Okay, so that's just my piece and I'm, you know, I'm glad you let me kind of say it this way.

[C]

Well, I'm glad I, I again, I just wanted audience. You make up your own mind. I just asked the questions today, the ones that I would hope that many of you would ask. The other thing I want to say too about Chris is this is not like you know, his first rodeo. And so there's, he's done work on the Kurt Cobain situation that you guys can go get. You want to tell him about that? And, and, and also Biggie Smalls as well. That's a fascinating case. Like you're, you picked the biggies after this OJ thing. So tell them a little bit about the work you're doing.

[B]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I, I'm doing JonBenet Ramsey right now and they. People can watch my interview on Cinemas tv. I have a lot of my interviews over there. The Biggie. I did a Biggie deep dive interview. I do believe that is a fake news story about the killer. I do believe those killers are still alive on Biggie Smalls and I do believe I can prove it. That's been censored again. Most of my stuff gets kind of censored. It's not a pity party. I'm just telling you facts, period. I, I helped a guy who witnessed Kurt Cobain get murdered. His name is Joseph Burns. He had the courage to come forward and to tell his story of what he saw that night. And that's called to Kurt. I'm sorry. And I encourage people to reward him for his, his courage and his bravery. And Kurt Cobain did not commit suicide. That story also. The media has repeatedly blocked me for the last two and a half years. And that's okay. Like I said, I'm not, I'm going to get them out. I will beat them. They're not going to stop me. Okay. And the book is selling over. Okay. But there's no real press about it yet. So I encourage Your readers to check out, if you like that. Now, remember Kurt Cobain. His death was two months before OJ's case. So these are both in 1994. And Kurtz was brushed under the rug because OJ happened in June, Kurtz was in April. So it's. It's fascinating. And Biggie's was in 97, so it's kind of. Yeah.

[C]

Making me feel old, by the way. But I gotta tell you, the audience, everybody, I. You make up your own mind. I just wanted to have the interesting story on today. I think you'd agree with me that there's enough in here that was worthy of at least a conversation, and it certainly is. It fills in some gaps if you believe what Chris is saying and if you don't, I asked you the questions and you've come to your conclusion. But either way, Chris, I know you've taken a lot of arrows over the work you do, and very grateful that you take the time to share your work with us, your beliefs. And I'd at least want to leave it open where you can send people where to find you, because this is. Everything about Chris is sort of like hidden because he's a PI. But where. Where can they go and find anything you want them to find about you or your work?

[B]

Yeah, sure. Yeah. And I really appreciate it. God bless you and everything you do. And I. Most of my books are on a website called silvercoastpros.com P R O S like professionals, Silver coast pros. Calm. And then I. I invite people to write me. My. My. One of my emails is hopscotch free one zero one@gmail. Just hopscotch free. All one word. And then the numbers one zero one@gmail. And there's other ways. My phone number numbers online. My door is always open. Anyone can contact me. I always respond to people and I'm grateful for the people that have helped me. I usually have one or two civilian types on every case I have, and I want to give a shout out to those people a little bit for helping me over the years. So, yeah, God bless your show. And I. I give a lot of glory to what I've done and the gifts I've been given to God and Jesus. And I want to thank you for that opportunity.

[C]

God bless you, brother. Hey, everybody. Told you it'd be an interesting hour, not like the normal hour. This is a different path today, and I bet you're talking about it. I bet you share this one with your spouse, your boyfriend, or your girlfriend. Let's have a conversation about it. It's worth it. It's one of the most important moments, most compelling moments in American history of the last 50 years. And this shed some new light, at least for some people. All right, everybody. God bless you.

[B]

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