How To Master Your Emotions (and Break Emotional Barriers) | Ed Mylett

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THE ED MYLETT SHOW

Episode: How To Master Your Emotions (and Break Emotional Barriers)
Date: November 8, 2025
Host: Ed Mylett | Cumulus Podcast Network

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Episode Overview

This powerhouse episode dives deep into the theme of mastering emotions and breaking through emotional barriers. Host Ed Mylett invites an inspiring array of guests—Jason Wilson, Lewis Howes, James Lawrence (the “Iron Cowboy”), NFL Hall-of-Famer Brian Dawkins, iconic speaker Les Brown, and MLB All-Star Sean Casey—to explore masculinity, vulnerability, mental resilience, peak performance, and the role of authenticity and support in overcoming life’s biggest hurdles. Through raw stories, candid confessions, and hard-earned wisdom, they reveal practical ways anyone can unlock peak performance and become the best version of themselves.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Redefining Masculinity & Emotional Expression with Jason Wilson

[02:11 – 26:12]

• Jason Wilson shares the viral story of gently guiding a crying young boy through breaking a board at his martial arts studio.

  • The incident highlighted that "there's a broken boy inside every man."
  • Wilson explains that boys—and men—are conditioned to suppress emotion, associating crying and vulnerability with weakness.

• Key Insight:
  “If you apply ‘no pain, no gain’ to your entire life, you won't have one.”
  — Jason Wilson [05:12]

• The cultural pressures on men:

  • Wilson, having lost both brothers to violence, discusses how the expectation to be "hyper masculine" leads to deep emotional backlog, sometimes with tragic consequences.
  • Coined THUG as "traumatized human unable to grieve."

• Breaking the cycle:

  • Encourages men to have “moments on the mat” to open up and heal.
  • Emphasizes that women can help by nurturing and accepting male vulnerability.

• Addressing Emotional Incarceration:
  “It’s a self-imposed prison: you’re free to walk out, but you don’t.”
  — Jason Wilson [17:27]

• Message for men contemplating suicide:

  • Worth is not based on work alone; life’s value is inherent.
  • The “lion and the lamb” analogy: Men fear losing their strength by showing softness but, in truth, become more whole by embracing both.

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2. Unmasking Vulnerability: Lewis Howes’ Journey

[26:43 – 57:14]

• Lewis Howes recounts his upbringing:
  Stories of small-town struggles, searching for belonging, and wearing "masks" of achievement.

• Dodgeball Game as a Defining Moment:

  • Not being picked triggered a lifelong drive for validation through athletic excellence.
  • “Never again will I be picked last.” [37:41]

• Trauma and the Cost of Suppression:

  • Reveals childhood sexual abuse at age five, which he kept secret for 25 years.
  • Suppressed emotion led to aggression, anger, and destructive behaviors as an adult.

• The Healing Power of Vulnerability:

  • In a transformative workshop, he shares his secret for the first time and experiences deep acceptance and connection.
  • “The thing I was afraid of people knowing the most actually made them trust me more.” — Lewis Howes [50:54]

• Ripple Effect:

  • Sharing his story enables other men—some for the first time in decades—to face and discuss their trauma.
  • “I want to own my story, I don’t want it to own me.” — Lewis Howes [54:49]

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3. The Limits of Grit: James Lawrence’s 100 Ironmans

[60:43 – 70:36]

• James Lawrence on peak performance and unreal endurance feats:

  • Explains that you “must adapt and evolve” to survive unimaginable challenges.
  • “The first 15 or 20 [races] are hell. But the body and mind adapt, and that’s where most people quit.” — James Lawrence [61:30]

• On Teamwork and Vulnerability:

  • Suffered severe physical pain and blacked out due to stress fractures.
  • Reveals that open emotional release—accepting help and even crying—was essential.
  • “It’s okay to feel, it’s not okay to quit. It’s okay to process before you hunker down and keep going.” — James Lawrence [66:36]

• Letting Go and Trusting Others:

  • Notes the importance for men, especially, to let go of total control and rely on a solid support team.

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4. Creating a Character for Resilience: Brian Dawkins (Weapon X)

[71:32 – 87:19]

• Brian Dawkins discusses emotional mastery in elite sports:

  • Developed the alter ego "Weapon X," channelling Wolverine as his on-field persona to access heightened energy and focus.
  • “Brian Dawkins could not survive in the NFL. That’s why I created Weapon X.” [76:45]

• Preparation and Energy Management:

  • Attributes his success to prayer, preparation, and protecting his energy.
  • “I want to be the thermostat, not the thermometer. I set the temperature in any room I walk into.” — Brian Dawkins [79:27]

• Bringing that leadership energy home:

  • Admits that for years he failed to be emotionally available at home.
  • “When I retired, I realized I needed to provide a blank slate so my family could paint on it.” [83:19]

• Advice for High Achievers:

  • Sometimes, don’t fix—just listen. “Our wives don’t need us to fix everything.” [87:19]

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5. Turning Hardship into Testimony: Les Brown’s Origin Story

[88:41 – 100:15]

• Les Brown shares his tough upbringing:

  • Raised in poverty, labeled “educable mentally retarded” as a child.
  • At 10, watched his adopted mother arrested; harbored anger for decades, later letting it go to model forgiveness for his own son.

• Forgiveness and Self-Acceptance:

  • “Forgiveness is not forgetting. Forgiveness is remembering without anger.” — Les Brown [94:20]

• Dreams as Motivation:

  • “If the dream is big enough, the odds don’t matter.”
  • “It’s what you become in pursuit of the dream that matters.” — Les Brown [97:47]

• On Influence:

  • Pursuing greatness creates a ripple effect and impacts people you’ll never meet.

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6. Peak Performance, Mindset, and Emotional Control: Sean Casey

[100:29 – End]

• Former MLB All-Star Sean Casey on sustaining greatness over time:

  • “The storm’s coming. I’m coming.” — Mindset to continually overcome slumps.
    [102:54]

• Switching Intensity:

  • Friendly and optimistic off the field; flipped a switch to fierce competitor in the batter’s box.

• Consistency and Routine:

  • Champions don’t waste opportunities. “The greats never waste a pitch, never waste a day.” — Sean Casey [106:19]

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

| Timestamp | Speaker | Quote | |---|---|---| | 05:12 | Jason Wilson | “If you apply ‘no pain, no gain’ to your entire life, you won’t have one.” | | 17:27 | Jason Wilson | “Emotional incarceration is a self-imposed prison sentence—a door that’s open, but you never come out.” | | 37:41 | Lewis Howes | “Never again will I be picked last.” | | 50:54 | Lewis Howes | “The thing I was afraid of people knowing the most actually made them trust me more.” | | 61:30 | James Lawrence | “The first 15 or 20 are hell…but the body and mind adapt and evolve, and that’s where most people quit.” | | 66:36 | James Lawrence | “It’s okay to feel, it’s not okay to quit…you’ve done enough today to take two seconds and reset.” | | 76:45 | Brian Dawkins | “Brian Dawkins could not perform…on the field. That’s why I became Weapon X.” | | 79:27 | Brian Dawkins | “I want to be a thermostat, not a thermometer; I set the temperature.” | | 87:19 | Brian Dawkins | “Our wives don’t need us to fix everything. Sometimes, just listen.” | | 94:20 | Les Brown | “Forgiveness is not forgetting. Forgiveness is remembering without anger.” | | 97:47 | Les Brown | “If the dream is big enough, the odds don’t matter…it’s what you become in the process.” | | 102:54 | Sean Casey | “The storm’s coming. I’m coming.” | | 106:19 | Sean Casey | “The people at the top never waste a pitch, never waste a call, never waste a day.” |

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Important Segment Timestamps

• Jason Wilson on the “Cave of Adullam” and emotional healing: [03:24 – 08:35]
• Discussion of men and suicide, worth & work: [18:44]
• Jason’s “lion and the lamb” analogy: [22:49]
• Lewis Howes’ dodgeball and abuse stories: [35:32 – 54:47]
• James Lawrence on adapting and mental limits: [61:30 – 66:36]
• Brian Dawkins’ Weapon X and marital emotional vulnerability: [76:45 – 87:19]
• Les Brown on forgiveness and big dreams: [94:18 – 100:15]
• Sean Casey on emotional control and “not wasting a pitch”: [102:54 – End]

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Takeaways & Actionable Steps

• For Men: It’s courageous to feel, to cry, to talk, and to pursue healing. Vulnerability is strength.
• For Women: Give the men in your life space and encouragement to open up.
• For Everyone:
  • Your greatest pain may become your greatest testimony.
  • Keep adapting, keep evolving, and do not quit.
  • Your habits and routines will define your level; stay process-focused, not just results-focused.
• For Achievers & Leaders: Bring energy and intentionality everywhere, including at home. Sometimes, don’t try to fix—just listen and be present for those you love.

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Transcript

[Ed Mylett]

Hey guys, it's Ed. I rarely do this. As you know, 99.9% of my content is free. But once a year I do something where I gather a very small group of people in my house. I've done it for two years in a row now and I'm going to do it again this year. If you go to maxout2026.com I'm going to do an experience in my home where I'm going to take you through how to make 2026 the best year of your life. All of the tactics and strategies that I use to plan and organize my own life in detail, same time. All of the mental rehearsal and visualization techniques that people pay me hundreds of.

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Here's our first guest. Welcome back to Max out, everybody. I'm so honored and blessed to have.

This man to my left here today. He just came on my radar very recently and God is so good because I immediately fell in love with this man and his message through social media, through YouTube, and within about a week of me discovering who he was, unbelievably, his name came across my desk with an opportunity to have a conversation with him today. And I think he's one of the most unique and influential people that I've ever heard from as a man. And it's really an honor to have you here today. He's an author, he's a speaker, he's a coach, but what he does is he really impacts people's lives, particularly men. But you women today that are listening to this or watching this, you get to listen in on a conversation. I think it will help you understand your man, your son, your potential boyfriend or your husband even better today. So, Jason Wilson, thank you for being here.

[Jason Wilson]

It's a pleasure. Thanks, man. Appreciate it.

[Ed Mylett]

It's my honor. And evidently we've been trying to get together for a while, but we didn't really realize it.

He has a book out coming out, by the way, that you can pre order right now called Battle Cry.

Fascinated by this. So you came on my radar because I hear you on Rogan's show and I hear about this video of you and those of you that haven't heard it, I won't go through the whole video, but I cried watching it, and I'm doing it right now. It was just such a beautiful moment to watch a man be a real man, which is what you were in this moment. But there's this video of you at your martial arts studio with this young boy who's trying to break this block. He's crazy crying, his hands hurting. The first thing you did that I loved, that I just want to say, is you got down on his level. You got down on your knee, you got to his level, which I think is where we need to meet everybody in life. And then you told him it was okay to cry. And you told him that things hurt for a reason and that he, you know, that as a man, you're going to get through those things that you need. You need Jesus, that it's okay to cry. Just the entire message. Were you that man already every single day and just a camera caught it? Or was that moment speaking sort of a turning point even in your own life, when everybody discovered how you treated young men so beautifully?

[Jason Wilson]

That's a really good question. That moment actually was just a norm in the cave of Adullam. I actually wasn't going to record that day. I stopped recording the test. But my friend who was Little Bruce's father, he wanted it. I said, look, let me just record it for keepsake. And if I would have known it would have been viewed over 100 million times, I would have at least focused the cameraman.

[Ed Mylett]

It was a little blurry.

[Jason Wilson]

I really just rushed the camera and said, let's go. It's time to test. And what had happened. Bruce had no issues with breaking that board weeks prior.

[Ed Mylett]

Okay.

[Jason Wilson]

His real issue was a fear of failure. And that's what that board became. So we use just board breaking as a symbol to show boys just how to break through their own emotional barriers. So that could be a school bully. When you become a man, it's an intimidating co worker. When you're younger, it could be obesity. When you get older and you beat or overcome obesity, now you're afraid to talk to the woman of your dreams who's right before you.

[Ed Mylett]

So true.

[Jason Wilson]

So again, we have to break emotional barriers throughout life. And so his was a fear of failure. And when he was, he had to break it with his right and his left. And when he couldn't break it, I just said, hey, you know what's going on? You know what's happening? And he just was. He was scared. He felt the fear of failure and he started crying. Then I felt shame. I felt that he was ashamed to cry. His family there, his slave brothers. But he wasn't alone. We have what's called a moment on the mat. When you give any male, especially a man, an opportunity to be human, he will open up. That's why men cry more than the boys do when we train together, because we have so many years where we suppress all of these emotions. So I often say, there's a broken boy inside of every man. And so when you allow that boy to be healed, you have to have some crying. And so unfortunately, we're told big boys don't cry. What doesn't kill you, make you stronger. Another misleading mantra is no pain, no gain. That's not a universal principle. If you apply that to your entire life, you won't have one. And so I dropped to my knee and I looked him in his eyes and I said, hey, man, it's okay to cry. We cry as men. And during that time, my mother had dementia and she was actually, actually, you know what? She may have passed when I recorded that.

[Ed Mylett]

Okay.

[Jason Wilson]

That's what shifted in me, Ed, because before I was a hyper masculine male.

[Ed Mylett]

You were.

[Jason Wilson]

Oh, abs. Oh, man. Absolutely. Especially in my era, I was a popular hip hop dj. You know, there wasn't any hip hop albums with men smiling on the covers. You know, everyone, we were serious, you know, and that was just the whole image that we had. And then I had brothers who. My first brother was murdered when I was three. My second brother was murdered when I was 23. So they had, you know, they lived dangerous lifestyles.

[Ed Mylett]

And you did too, right? You indulged in.

[Jason Wilson]

I tried to. Because again, the standard in my community was the hyper masculine black male.

[Ed Mylett]

Yes.

[Jason Wilson]

So if you weren't that you didn't get the girls, you didn't get the money. You weren't cool, you were ostracized.

[Ed Mylett]

Yes.

[Jason Wilson]

And so. But I was a kind hearted boy, caring, nurturing. But I wasn't a thug, you know? And I later came up with the acronym for a thug. It's a traumatized human unable to grieve. So, so many of the young boys I mentor and even men, what they call OGs or original gangsters, they're hurting. And it's amazing, when I get with them and just talk, they just start crying because of the years of the trauma that they've seen their friends getting killed, Someone dying like my best friend of a heart attack, who was my weightlifting partner.

[Ed Mylett]

Yeah, I heard that.

[Jason Wilson]

That was the first time I cried, man, at a funeral. I didn't even cry at my brother's funeral. And until the pastor gave me permission to cry, I thought something was wrong with me. You know, I say in battle choir, I said, we need emotional enemas because we're so backed up. Even like, I think it's 191,000 men die annually of prostate cancer. The main reason we don't want to be, you know, what is it called? We do the psa, where they just take the blood, prick of blood and test our prostate. But the manual exam where the doctor has to put his finger up you. We'd rather die on our swords, man, because it feels like our masculinity is draining out of us. When he pulls his finger out, you're talking about an exam that's no longer than 8 to 10 seconds.

[Ed Mylett]

Very true, though.

[Jason Wilson]

But because we are hyper masculine, we're dying that way. And so it's something that I know is my mission, that God has given me. And with little Bruce, that moment when that video went viral, when the world saw just the gentleness, but still the strength, the lamb and the lion, men from all over the world, we had to shut our nonprofit offices down, man, because the phones were just ringing. In 2016, viral videos were kind of new, I think. And we were like, what is. What's going on? Men were crying to our women staff, saying, I'm tired of not being able to be tired. I want to be a human. I wish my coach would have did that for me. Now I walk around with anger.

[Ed Mylett]

Yeah. And so that's what you said about this tired thing. I want to touch on it. There's so many things we're going to touch on today. We. It's interesting. I realized my dad was a wonderful guy. But I certainly was raised to be that traditional man's man type of deal. I'd never cried in my life either. I remember going to my grandfather's funeral. I was very close to thinking, why can't I cry? Like, I almost, that time, wanted to and couldn't. I was so conditioned not to show what I thought were weak emotions. Somewhere along the line, though, when I started doing this work, that changed for me. And because if you don't reflect those emotions, I don't think you're really present with people. And I want to be present with people. You feel like you go through your entire life and you were just really never there. Almost playing this character of this beast that I needed to be. But you said something the other day, actually, that I was watching. Your content is so good that I watch it multiple times. And you said, when a man tells you he's tired, listen to him. So, you know, it's one of those things that, you know, coaches have said that to you.

You're not tired.

Let's do, you know, let's keep going. Let's keep going. What did you mean by that? Because men will once in a while go, how you doing, man?

I'm tired.

[Jason Wilson]

Yeah, yeah. And that's a rarity. Typically, we tell them to stay strong.

[Ed Mylett]

That's exactly what we'll stay back.

[Jason Wilson]

Or they're hurting. But I just shared today, no one can stay strong. No human. You weight lift. I weight train. Put a 45, a 135 on the bench and just hold it there, and I'll see you tomorrow. But you can't drop that bar. No one can stay strong. But it's us as men. Like, women don't allow one adjective to define them. So femininity. You will never hear a woman just be confined to that because she has to be anything and everything she has to be at any given moment. Especially single mothers and I often talk about what if they would allow the culture to define them. In the early 1900s, when they say a woman's place was in the kitchen, you know, they defied that. But we as men, we've allowed this one adjective, masculinity, to define us. And at the same time, it's hindering us from living the lives that we long for inside.

[Ed Mylett]

Is it the word or is it what we think it means?

[Jason Wilson]

That's a good. I mean, so the word itself, that's what I had an epiphany. I thought masculinity was manhood. Like, it's just a comprehensive definition of manhood.

[Brian Dawkins]

Yeah.

[Jason Wilson]

One day God was like, look at the definition. It's nothing but a few attributes. Boldness, aggression, strength. And the second definition is like masculine attire. So there's nothing toxic about masculinity. Like, if a fireman. If this was burning down and we needed help, a fireman bust the door down and rescues us. That's masculine. Those are masculine attributes. But when you only can live exuding strength, boldness, and aggression, or assertiveness, when your wife needs nurturing, when your children needs nurturing, when even God needs you to be compassionate to someone in need, you can't. So you're limited, and then you're frustrated. And you talk about a point. When you check out, you have this one image of being this tough guy, but when things are really happening around you, you're not present because you're really not comprehensive.

[Ed Mylett]

That's right.

[Jason Wilson]

We lost. My wife, lost five of our children. So I don't say we, because I think, you know, as a husband and wife, you can say, those are our children. But. But that's something my wife had to endure because at the time, I wasn't there. I didn't even know. I knew something was wrong, something bothering me, but I couldn't express the pain. I couldn't sit with her and cry.

[Ed Mylett]

When you say you lost five children, you're talking about she had miscarriages.

[Jason Wilson]

Miscarriages. Let me be.

[Ed Mylett]

My goodness.

[Jason Wilson]

Wow.

[Ed Mylett]

Five. That's incredible. That's a big number.

[Jason Wilson]

It's a big number. And with my daughter. So we have a son, thank God. Now he's 13, but our daughter is 26. That's why it's a big age gap. And so I didn't know how to feel. Even with my wife, she still longed to give me a son. And one day after my father died in 2007, I come home taking a shower, and I hear God say. Clearly, he says, after you, there is no more. And I'm like, what do you mean? And he says, think of Abraham. That was his greatest fear. Here's this man that had everything, but he didn't have a son to pass. So I get out the shower, man, imagine your wife almost dying, trying to have children. And I say, nicole, do you pray for a child? Specifically a boy? And she says, yes. I'm like, what's wrong with you? Why would you do that? You know, it could. You know, you could die because it was very stressful. She almost died right before our son. She says, I want to give you a son. We prayed together. Two weeks later, she gets pregnant. It's a boy. But check this out. This was when it was confirmation that this was divine. At the five month mark, I'm running to get her some food and she calls me, screaming and crying. So I'm like, what's wrong? It's pain in my stomach. So I'm thinking, she's going to lose our son. And so, okay, here I come. So as I'm pulling out the parking lot, a lady stops me and she asked me for directions.

[Les Brown]

And.

[Jason Wilson]

And I just told her, I said, well, look, I have to run. She says, hold on. Before you leave, let me tell you something. Don't lose the faith. It's going to get tough, but don't lose the faith.

[Ed Mylett]

Wow.

[Jason Wilson]

We get to the hospital, we're thinking it's another miscarriage. Her appendix is ruptured.

[Ed Mylett]

Oh, my goodness.

[Jason Wilson]

This was the only time, the best time to take little Jason out of her, take the appendix out and put him back. This is the. So, yeah, even then I couldn't cry, man.

[Ed Mylett]

Whoa.

[Jason Wilson]

Because I'm tough. I gotta be strong. I gotta provide. Everyone needs me to be strong right now. Then you wonder why we snap.

[Ed Mylett]

Yes.

[Jason Wilson]

You know, and like the doctors, I felt they weren't attentive enough to my wife. So I'm ready to fight. And the nurses weren't paying attention. A friend of mine who's a very wise man, he says, you're gonna do nothing but cause more problems. He says, they're tired, go buy some fruit or something. So I bought a big basket of fruit, put it on. The nurse's station had a card. It says, thank you for being the angels here.

[Ed Mylett]

That's awesome.

[Jason Wilson]

And they took care of my wife, but I didn't know how to do that. It's amazing to me because I was just. I was defined by what?

[Ed Mylett]

Strength, strong being.

[Jason Wilson]

Boldness and provide.

[Ed Mylett]

You want to have a good God moment with me right now? I'm going to blow you away.

[Jason Wilson]

Yeah.

[Ed Mylett]

That's amazing that you just said this. I knew I'll just tell you what happened. So I'm blown away. Like my hairless arms have goosebumps right now. I got interviewed this morning before you were here. And at the end of the interview, the person said to me, if you could have dinner with three people that are deceased, who would those three people be? And I just, off the cuff said, who? I would always say, I said, jesus, my dad. And I can't believe where this came from. And I said, the baby that my wife lost, this was just this morning. Do you know, that I had not thought about that in 20 years. And the same thing, when that happened, I wasn't emotionally available for that. This is something that happened kind of to her and I didn't understand why she was so upset about it. But for some reason, because I've been doing such work on myself that came to me from nowhere today. And then you bring the story up several hours later on my show. That's miraculous to me. It's almost confirmation.

[Jason Wilson]

Yeah. It's confirmation that you need to release some things.

[Ed Mylett]

Yeah.

[Jason Wilson]

And probably some time you need to spend with your wife and revisit it and cry and let some of that go. Because it will. Holding on, the trauma will hinder us. Dr. William Frey discovered that tears not only are 98% water. Okay. But when we cry due to trauma or emotional pain or stress, they contain stress hormones. So they get excreted from our body when we cry. That's why we typically feel better.

[Ed Mylett]

It's healthy.

[Jason Wilson]

And so, so many men, we're bottled up, we're holding onto all of this unresolved anger, frustration, fear, failure, abuse, abandonment. And we wondering why we can't really take the next step into where we need to be as a man.

[Ed Mylett]

And so, yeah, the reason I said when we started the show too, that I wanted ladies to listen in on you and I discussing this is because, you know, I think also just affording the man that you're with a space is such a trendy word right now, but like an environment where he's accepted for doing that, especially if he's lived all of his life being this strong guy and never shows these other emotions, you know, allowing that to take place and nurturing that in a man is really important. You, here's how it feels, ladies, for a man when he lives like this. And I want you to give your example of watching your content the other day and you talked about how an actual prison cell and incarceration works and the physical incarceration. But there's another emotional and mental incarceration that most men live most of their lives with. Many men have lived their entire life and passed away and lived their entire life in this type of incarceration. So share that with everybody.

[Jason Wilson]

Yeah, emotional incarceration is a self imposed prison sentence. So basically, you walk into this, your own mental prison with the door that's wide open and you never come out. Because every man will tell you that we can get up at any moment and change things instantly. We can turn that switch on. That's the masculinity in us. Yeah. But when we have to face what's going on inside of us, the wars that are erupting inside, what we scared to really deal with because those pull out non masculine emotions. It pulls out fear, anxiety, sadness, sorrow. And we don't want to have anything to do with that. So we'd rather just stay in this prison where we can stay incarcerated, turn off our hearts from the world. Because not only are we tired of feeling a certain way, we're tired of being the bad guy when we just want to be a good man. And so how often I don't know about you as a father and a husband, I've made a plethora of mistakes and it just, it got to the point at one time I'm like, look, you guys can just live on without me. I'm better off dead. I mean, just to be transparent with you. Wow. And this is why one of the reasons I believe. What is it? Three men die by suicide three to four times as often as women.

[Ed Mylett]

That's right.

[Jason Wilson]

We, first of all, we identify our worth with our work.

[Ed Mylett]

Yes.

[Jason Wilson]

And so that's why you'll see older men like older couples. Out. The man is barely getting around on the walker, but his wife is skippy moving around fast. Because when we could rest, we won't. When we could take a nap, man, I can't tell you how many days I've jumped up from a couch, my couch. When Nicole, my wife, comes home because I think she would think I'm lazy, okay? Because again, we're based, our life is based on what we do. So we'll never have rest. And so that's the greatest tragedy. And so a man just says, hey, I'm not really no good to you guys. I'm not really doing well in my life. I might as well not have one. So we give up. And I've been there where you're just like, I can't get over this hump. I'm always hurting my daughter. You know, I grew up, I would yell at my daughter all the time.

[Ed Mylett]

So have I.

[Jason Wilson]

And it's like, what was going on there? Her room was filthy. Now the dad now will say, wait a minute, this is a sign that something's going on inside. Maybe something's going on at school. Let me just sit and talk to my daughter. Just recently, she says, hey, dad, something else came up and I would like for us to see Tim, who was our psychotherapist. And so as a man, I'm like, this is great, because I want to Work through these issues with my daughter so we can become closer and I can help her become who God created her to be. But at the same time, you're like, man, what else did I do wrong?

[Ed Mylett]

Yeah, I know exactly.

[Jason Wilson]

Can I hear this again? And it hurts me to hear who I was. I know what you mean, but that's freedom, man. It's like, again, if someone was to come in and try to. We a fighter. We do whatever we take. We take bullets for our family, of course. But when we have to deal with the emotions that are raising inside of us because of our failures, the things that we wish we could have done, the things that we wish our fathers would have said to us or done for us, we say, no, we're good. Let me just get something to drink. Let me go visit this girl. Let me get high. Let me go to the gym. Let me fight. Instead of saying no, let me be still so that I can release what's going on.

[Ed Mylett]

That's beautiful. I wish every man would take that last little piece right there, that last minute, play it back, because those are all the coping. There's more, but it's the drinking, it's the women, it's the drugs. Let's go lift some more weights. Let's go make some more money. Let's buy another this, let's do another that instead of just being present. Now, here's a tough question. A lot of men are listening. They're getting emotional. Like, you get this. The suicide thing was a tremendous stat you gave. Because like you, I get reached out with men. I don't have any value to my family. You know, I'm amazed by how many men, just the number that take their lives. But actually contemplate it like you've shared. Like, I get lots. I don't know to quantify the number, but lots of messages from men, particularly when they're failing financially, when men feel like they're failing financially. If you're with a man right now and you're a woman and he's failing financially, I'm telling you so often, so much of his identity, his worth is tied to earning and providing and winning. You be very vigilant with that man. And he is not playing his cards on the table. He is probably not showing you, based on what Jason's talking about here, how he really feels. What would you say to the man, though, who says, I do want to, because this is how we think. If I do that, I'm going to lose something. So this is how men think. Okay, this sounds Good. I do want to be more present with my daughter. I probably would feel really good to cry when I need to. I'd like to laugh a little bit more and let my guard down and be who I really am. But then I'm going to lose this other part of me. I'm going to lose. You have this great analogy of the lion and the lamb. I definitely need to have more lamb. But I'm afraid if I do that, I'm going to lose all the lion. And men do think this, you know, that. What would you. What would you say to a man who's saying, I'm afraid I'm going to lose parts of me I do like if I become this new. This new version of me.

[Jason Wilson]

I don't think it's parts of them that they're afraid of losing. It's the people, the success and, you know, everything that comes with it. Just being the man or being a certain type of man. What I had to come to grips with was that I want to live from my heart. Man. So a definition for a comprehensive man is a man who's courageous, but also compassionate, strong but sensitive. A man who can boldly live from his heart instead of his fears. What do we do? Typically when we meet someone, let me guard, because I don't know if they're really a good person and all these other things. So that hinders me from expressing the love I have. Not just. Not for them, but just in general in life. I care about people. So as men, we stay guarded. And now we've shut off our hearts really from really expressing the full essence of who we are. So if a person hurts you or take advantage of you, that was a blessing because now you don't have to waste time in that relationship anymore. You didn't lose anything. It was all gain. And when men I talk to, men, even those who are wealthy, seem to struggle with it a lot more, of course you reinforce.

[Ed Mylett]

Your identity is reinforced over and over again.

[Jason Wilson]

And so I never forgot the time. I was at a track man, and a doctor recognized me and he says, man, I think it was a doctor or a lawyer. But anyway, he was professional, very successful. He wanted to take his life. And I said, why? He has a beautiful family. He said, I don't feel like I'm valuable.

[Ed Mylett]

Yeah.

[Jason Wilson]

I said, wow, here's this guy that's very successful. But what he's saying is that he's really not living from his longing. He's living from what he's been programmed to believe a man is. But we're so much bigger. We're so much more than masculine. So when we're confined to just providing, getting the watches, the clothes, the cars, the houses, we know that's nothing after a while. Once you buy it, it's done in a few days.

[Ed Mylett]

Yes.

[Jason Wilson]

So who you really are is what matters the most. And so we were walking. He says his counselor told him, or therapist, you know, what about, asked him, what about your family? What about, you know, your mom and your kids? And he was like, well, what about me? And that's what I tell men. You are worth living. Don't allow your entire life to be. You know, it's great to be a family guy. I am. But I don't allow my life to be completely centered around them. First it's God, then it's my family, and then it's my service. Then another thing that misleads us as men, we fight to live this balanced life. Yeah, like, I don't. I don't believe in that concept. Because if everything is balanced, that means everything gets the same amount of attention. So my family and the things that matter the most are in this part of the scale. And this is everything else is successful. Books, everything else. This must always tip the scale.

[Ed Mylett]

Yes.

[Jason Wilson]

As soon as I start feeling do this, I'm like, oh, it's too much. Here, let me get some of this off, because this is really not important. This is not how I get my affirmation. This is not who I am as a man. But hearing my wife say, I'm so proud of you, Jay. I'm my daughter. Daddy, I love you. My son. Leaning into me when my mother was living, how proud she was, how that I was able to serve her with dementia and fight through so much. I want to stay in balance. And as men, we're trying to do everything, but we need to fight to do what's important.

[Lewis Howes]

So good.

[Jason Wilson]

And then we'll find the peace that we long for, man.

[Ed Mylett]

So good. Very short intermission here, folks. I'm glad you're enjoying the show so far. Don't forget to follow the show on Apple and Spotify. Links are in the show notes. Now on to our next guest. Welcome back to Max out with Ed Mylett. And I am really excited about today. And before we get going, I want to remind you all, we do this for free. And so all I ask from you is that you rank and review the.

Podcast there on itunes. Do me that favor, please.

My guest today, I was thinking about it coming over here today. I think he's the most. I think he's the Dos Equis man of personal development.

[James Lawrence]

I like that.

[Ed Mylett]

I do.

He's the most interesting man in personal development and he's. I did this survey with you all and I asked you who were the guests that you wanted on my program. And Louis's name kept consistently coming up. So I've got him here for you today. Louis, thanks for being here, brother.

[Lewis Howes]

Appreciate it.

[Ed Mylett]

So good to have you here.

So Louis, as many of you know, has a School of Greatness podcast, which is a top 100 podcast in the world. He's written a couple different best selling.

Books, including Cooling the School of Greatness.

But the one I want to talk.

About today, if we can, is the Mask of Masculinity.

It was such a great read, brother.

I've never read anything like it before.

[James Lawrence]

Thank you.

[Ed Mylett]

Yeah, it was so good. So I want to know how a guy like you ends up writing a book like this.

So can you tell me a little bit about you? My audience may not know all of.

This, so tell me a little about how you grew up, where you come from, how you end up being in the position that's such a great book.

[Lewis Howes]

Small town Ohio is where I grew up.

[Jason Wilson]

So.

[Lewis Howes]

So I think it was great people, great communities, but I think limiting mindset in a lot of ways. We grew up pretty poor and it wasn't until when I say poor, I mean in terms of like lower middle class. Right? Where I was having hand me downs, like I didn't get the new Nintendo or anything like that. I was getting hand me downs until I was about 12, 13. My dad's company kind of started to take off where we started to have more opportunities.

[Ed Mylett]

Okay.

[Lewis Howes]

So I never really got nice trips or nice, nice things. It was always pretty simple living and it didn't really matter. I was pretty happy with just like having friends and attention and playing sports. So it never really affected me because I didn't need nice things. But when his business started to take off, I started to see him think and talk differently about money and abundance. And so I started to open my mind to making money when I was about 13, 14.

[Ed Mylett]

You're already thinking about it.

[Lewis Howes]

I was thinking about it just because he started to bring abundance in his life and his energy started to shift. Whereas before that he was always frustrated, always stressed and kind of like seemed resentful because he had to work so hard and he wasn't living his dreams. And so I noticed that early on and I always wanted to leave Ohio as much as I Love Ohio. And I'm prideful of it. I knew I didn't want to be around limiting people that weren't chasing for bigger things.

[James Lawrence]

Yeah.

[Lewis Howes]

And so I left when I was 13 to go to a private boarding school.

[Les Brown]

What?

[Lewis Howes]

Yeah.

[Ed Mylett]

I've never heard that.

[Lewis Howes]

I begged my family, my parents, to send me away.

[Ed Mylett]

You begged your family to send you to a boarding school?

That's usually how it works.

[Lewis Howes]

The opposite, usually. But my whole siblings were. I'm the youngest of four. My siblings had left to college. My brother was in prison during this time and just got out. And I kind of felt like it was just me left in the house. It was my parents and. And me. And I was just like, I don't really want to be here.

[Les Brown]

Wow.

[Lewis Howes]

Yeah.

[Ed Mylett]

Where did you go?

[Lewis Howes]

I went to St. Louis, Missouri, to a private school called Principia High School. It's a small school of about 300 kids, and I was in a boys dorm.

[Ed Mylett]

No kidding.

[Lewis Howes]

I was in a boys dorm in 8th grade all the way through my senior year.

[Ed Mylett]

Is that right?

[Lewis Howes]

Yeah.

[Ed Mylett]

So you didn't even live in your home full time growing up?

[Lewis Howes]

I would go home for, like, the summers, for Christmas break, things like that. But St. Louis, I lived there for about six and a half years.

[Ed Mylett]

Whoa.

That impact you how?

[Lewis Howes]

I mean, it changed my life because I started to do a lot of negative things in Ohio for, you know, my childhood. I started stealing all the time. Every time I went into a store, I had to steal something. It became a game. It became an obsession.

[Ed Mylett]

It's hard to picture you.

[Lewis Howes]

I know.

[Ed Mylett]

Mr. Integrity.

Mr.

[Lewis Howes]

Exactly. I started to steal. I started to, like, smoke cigarettes for, like, a couple months, period. But I wouldn't even inhale it. I would just, like, steal them and, like, smoke it just to try to act cool or whatever, to impress other kids. I didn't have any friends growing up, so I did things to impress people. I put on a fake identity to try to fit in.

[Ed Mylett]

I relate to that. I bet a lot of men and women relate to that.

[Lewis Howes]

And once I got into middle school, I started putting on the athlete mask, where I was like, I need some friends. I'm starting to get some attention as an athlete. Let me go all in so people love me.

[Ed Mylett]

Whoa.

[Lewis Howes]

And so I started to become the best athlete I could be, to be the most valuable person on the. On every sports team so that they always needed me.

[Ed Mylett]

And you played all the sports?

[Lewis Howes]

Every sport, yeah.

[Ed Mylett]

I mean, I was. What are you, 6, 3, 6, 4? Yeah. You're a big dude.

[Lewis Howes]

And yeah, it was just like constantly driven to be. To be better.

[Ed Mylett]

That's funny. I read your whole background. I did not know that you went to a boarding school when you were 13. Because you're interesting. Everybody has defining moments, right. In their life. And these moments define us based on the meaning we take from them is my theory anyway. Right. But you've had some real defining moments. So, yeah, let's go back to one. The athlete mask first.

And we're going to talk about this.

That really, the premise of the book that I love are these different masks that men wear to conceal who they really are or to hide behind those masks. And I just want to tell you as a brother, and you know, I've had decent success in my life too, but it was illuminating and enlightening for me, the different masks that I wear, even to this day, still, I throw those masks on even today.

We all do. Yeah, you still do.

Even.

[Lewis Howes]

Absolutely. I think it's our ability to be aware of what we're wearing that makes sense. The ability to say, okay, you know, for example, when I left playing professional football, arena football, I was broke on my sister's couch for about a year and a half trying to figure out how do I make money, how do I start a business, how do I get a job, how do I do any of these things? Because I was just training my whole life. My dad, even though he started talking about money more, he said, just train full time, Go chase your dream. Because I think he never did. So he wanted to fully support, make sure that I did.

[Ed Mylett]

Wow.

[Lewis Howes]

He was like, you can come back and work with me and my business when you're done.

[Ed Mylett]

If it didn't work, you had a.

[Lewis Howes]

Didn'T work, you got the backup plan. So I never worked.

[Ed Mylett]

Okay.

[Lewis Howes]

Like, I did like lawn mowing a little bit and like some little odd end jobs here and there, but I never, like nine to five all summer long.

[Les Brown]

Wow.

[Lewis Howes]

It was just like, no, your job is to train.

[Jason Wilson]

No kidding.

[Lewis Howes]

I would go to specific facilities and train all day.

[Ed Mylett]

So why didn't you go to work for when football didn't work out?

[Lewis Howes]

Because the year I left to go play professional football, he got in a tragic car accident where he was in a coma for three months. And then he's still alive today. But he's never been the same person. He's emotionally not all there. He can't really have the same conversations. He's unable to work. Like, he's just mentally unable to work. And so it's like my dad is still alive, but it's almost like I lost him that day.

[Ed Mylett]

Oh, I'm sorry.

[Lewis Howes]

So it's okay. I mean, it was. It was a challenging few years to say when I needed a mentor the most. I didn't have him when I had him my whole life, so I had to seek out other mentors to teach me certain things. And I think it's also another defining moment is like, I don't know if your father is around or your parents around, but I think essentially losing my dad when I was 23, where he wasn't able to be there, emotional, mental, spiritual, spiritual, financial support, any of those things, it was kind of like I had to grow up in a lot of ways. I had to. And I think if he would have still been around, I don't think I'd be this hungry. And I think it was probably one of the greatest blessings. Although I wish it didn't happen, and I wish he was healthier and was able to communicate in other ways, it was also made me so hungry and just thirsty to, like, learn how to build something on my own.

[Ed Mylett]

It's interesting because when every time I meet somebody who's the after, and I know you don't see yourself as the after, like you're successful yet because you're chasing something. But it's always interesting to me that meaning people take away from events that otherwise most people would consider to be tragic. Right.

And it really.

I've always believed this. I say this a lot. And you embody this. It's not the events of our life that define us. It's the meaning we attach to them and then the action we take as a result. Right. And you. One of the things I just admire about you so much and I think why your. Your following is so big is because of what you're doing right now. You're real, you're transparent with who you are, at least to the best that we can be. And I admire that. And you. I try to do that, too. I think both of us have a certain following in social media because I think people think they really know who we are. We're not wearing a mask necessarily on social media all the time.

Right.

Right. But you've had several events like this, so let's go back to one. We'll go back to a couple, if you don't mind.

[Jason Wilson]

Sure.

[Ed Mylett]

I thought it was just interesting before we get to a heavy one, a lighter one, but a defining one for you because you talk about that athlete mask. That's one of the masks that Lewis talks About in the book is men, you know, with their masculine wearing the masks of different types of people, whether it's the material mask or the athlete mask or the stoic mask.

And it's such a fascinating read.

It is for men. But to be candid with you, I think it's a fascinating read for women to understand their men.

[Lewis Howes]

Exactly. So many women are telling me that they finally understand their husband, why their father never showed them the affection, their sons don't look them in the eyes. It's like trying to understand men a little better.

[Ed Mylett]

It's brilliant, man. And so there's this story in there that stuck out to me and I could picture you as a little guy when this happened. But you talk about, and it's interesting, it could be a non event for some people, but it must be this dodgeball game.

[Lewis Howes]

It's defining, man.

[Ed Mylett]

It was because you end up being.

Remember, this guy ends up going on.

To become a college and professional athlete.

Right.

And if you draw back all the way where that mask started, it started in a damn dodgeball game, didn't it?

[Lewis Howes]

In elementary school, I was still trying to find my way and just have a couple friends just try to fit in. And one day, the teacher of our class, there's probably 30 kids in the class, about 50% men and boys, boys and girls. They say, okay, during recess we're going to play a team dodgeball game and we're going to split it up into two teams.

[Ed Mylett]

So everybody's had that game at school, right?

Right.

[Jason Wilson]

Yeah.

[Lewis Howes]

Everyone's playing dodgeball or something, right. And he said, okay, I'm picking you two boys as the captains. Pick one at a time. I don't think it was his intention to do this. He was just like, yeah, you guys split up the teams.

[Ed Mylett]

Okay.

[Lewis Howes]

So we're all waiting to be like, called out, right?

[Ed Mylett]

Yeah.

[Lewis Howes]

And these two popular kids, one at a time, start picking each boy. And I'm thinking to myself, I'm one of the taller kids. I feel like I'm pretty athletic already. They've got to pick me, one of the first people. So I'm standing up there in front, like, waiting to be called. And they pick all the boys one by one until it's me and the last boy. And this boy, like he was not athletic at all. Essentially, I'll keep it at that. And they pick him. And so now I'm the last boy to be picked. However, as you know, in the story, they pick a girl next and then they pick another girl. Another girl until it's Me and the last girl. And I'm like, there's no way I'm gonna be like, they're gonna pick this girl before me. This girl is like zero athletic ability. Right. She can't even walk right. And they pick her. And then I'm not even picked. I'm just by default, just go on the next team. They didn't even pick me as like.

[Ed Mylett]

What'S going on here?

Are you raging? Are you still.

[Lewis Howes]

I am raging. I'm already a kid that feels neglected, that feels like the youngest who doesn't get any attention. You know, I didn't have any friends, so at this point I said, I'm going to destroy everyone on this team. Like, give me the ball. I'm just like slamming in people's faces.

[Ed Mylett]

You're already a big dude.

Yeah.

[Lewis Howes]

And I'm just like destroying people. And I go, never again will I be picked last. You can see it at night right now.

[Ed Mylett]

I can see it in your physiology.

[Lewis Howes]

Never again will I ever get picked last in anything.

[Ed Mylett]

Right.

[Lewis Howes]

And that's what I told myself. And I just become a training machine. Every day after school, I would go to the playground, go to the gym, go play basketball and train until my mom would have to call me in at like 9 o' clock and say, you gotta come home.

[Ed Mylett]

And you think that game has something to do with you end up being a professional athlete?

[Lewis Howes]

I think it, I think it was one of the triggers of just like always feeling like I was abused, left behind, not good enough. It was just one of those triggers, your face change.

[Ed Mylett]

Even when you just said that.

[Lewis Howes]

It's just like, it's one of those moments that I can remember, you know, as many moments like that.

[Ed Mylett]

Yeah.

[Lewis Howes]

But that was a moment I was like, okay, I just never want to feel this again.

[Ed Mylett]

Yeah. It literally defined part of your whole identity.

[James Lawrence]

Absolutely.

[Ed Mylett]

It was one of these masks. You're like, I wear this one well.

[Lewis Howes]

And so I put. Yeah, so I put the athlete mask on and I said, never again am I gonna lose. And I also needed to be right. You know, for me, like, being wrong was losing. And so I was like, I need to win at all costs. I need to be right at all costs. And anytime I lost in a game, I was the worst loser because my self worth and my value was tied to winning or losing. And even when I won, sometimes I wouldn't be happy because I would beat myself up about how I could have been better. So I couldn't appreciate the journey, which is always got to get better, got to get to the goal. Got to get to the goal.

[Jason Wilson]

Yeah.

[Ed Mylett]

Everybody that's listening, including me, frankly, a lot of us relate to that.

[James Lawrence]

Yeah.

[Ed Mylett]

And we're going to talk about some solutions. That too.

Or those of you that are watching.

This, you certainly know someone like us.

[Lewis Howes]

Sure.

[Ed Mylett]

And it's interesting because you have that event. You have a brother who goes to prison. I didn't know, but he go to a boarding school. When you were 13, you had a. It's amazing that you end up becoming one of the most sought after people on the planet to improve people's lives, and yet you have these events that you didn't allow eventually to define who you were. There's a significant one, though, as you know.

[Lewis Howes]

Yep.

[Ed Mylett]

I think it's the genesis of the book, probably.

[Lewis Howes]

Yeah.

[Ed Mylett]

But if you don't mind taking them through this, you had some sexual abuse happen to you, and you were a very young boy. I mean, I mean, very. So you had the 13, you have the brother go to prison. You have the dodgeball game. But the biggie.

[Lewis Howes]

When I was five. Yeah. Here's the thing. When I was five, I was raped by a man that I didn't know. And for 25 years, no one knew about it.

[Ed Mylett]

I want to ask you this because I have not heard you answer this. Are you telling me literally you didn't tell anybody?

[Lewis Howes]

I didn't tell anyone. I told a professor my freshman year in college. I said, you know, something happened to me, but I didn't tell them what.

[Ed Mylett]

Wow. So mom and dad definitely did.

[Lewis Howes]

Parents didn't know, friends didn't know. I never told anyone exactly what happened. I was too afraid to let people know. And so for 25 years, I'm 34 now. When I was 30, I went through a bunch of different challenges in my life with intimate relationship. I was in a business partnership. I was in, and just everything looked good on the outside, you know, people were like, man, you're crushing it, Louis. But I was suffering on the inside and I didn't know why. And I don't know if you've ever felt that when your business took off, you're like, why am I not fulfilled?

[Ed Mylett]

I absolutely do. Yes.

[Lewis Howes]

You felt that before, of course. And for me, I was taking all of this. I was just angry, constantly angry. I was doing great in my business, but angry because I couldn't figure out how to cope and understand my emotions. So I took all this frustration out on the basketball court. Every day I would go play basketball a few blocks away, and every day it was like I was looking for a fight. You know in college, when you're like, you're just like, I hope someone looks at me.

[Ed Mylett]

Yeah.

[Lewis Howes]

Slap you, run into me the wrong way, like, I'm gonna beat you up.

[Ed Mylett]

Yeah.

[Lewis Howes]

I was just looking for a fight. And I think that was the only way I knew how to express myself was through physical aggression.

[Ed Mylett]

So many people are relating to this right now.

[Lewis Howes]

That was my life. Football was my ability to just destroy people in a legal way without getting in trouble. I could get it out every single day. So when you don't have that anymore, it's like, I need to go play basketball and like, rough it out. Because I didn't know how to cope with my emotions or what I was going through. I just didn't have the skills or the tools. So every day I would go out and play basketball and I just constantly. Someone would yap at me and it was like I had to step to them, like I was the alpha dog and like, shove them and scream at them and just show them that they weren't going to mess with.

[Ed Mylett]

With me until they backed up.

Just to tell you, because being in your presence and being around you, I'm not that way.

[James Lawrence]

Yeah.

[Ed Mylett]

Our mutual friends, no one would describe.

[Lewis Howes]

This way now exactly. And you know, I'm typically. I was typically not that way either. Like, I'm always a very loving, like, happy person.

[Ed Mylett]

But there's a trigger thing.

[Lewis Howes]

There's a trigger. Like if you cross the trigger.

[James Lawrence]

Yeah.

[Lewis Howes]

It was like, you're gonna go down.

[Ed Mylett]

Yeah.

[Lewis Howes]

Or I was gonna go down or something. And so every day it was like waiting for someone to hit me. And they wouldn't hit me. I would, like push at them. I would scream back at them. I'd be like, don't talk shit to me. Don't do this. Don't, like, whatever. To a no stakes pick a basketball game in West Hollywood. It's not like anything's on the line.

[James Lawrence]

Yeah.

[Lewis Howes]

It's like. And one day after a few months of this, I'm guarding a guy who's much bigger than me, older than me, and we're getting in a heated battle back and forth. He's following me hard. I'm fouling him hard, like. But it's kind of like that's what you do in the street ball, right? You kind of found each other hard, but it's all good. It's fair game. He's calling it. I'm calling it. It gets down to the last point. Game point for both of us, both teams. He gets A ball down, getting ready to shoot in a layup. I foul him hard. You know, I grab his arm down so he can't score. The game would be over. I guess it was enough, was enough for him. And he came at me and headbutts me. Now, this was the trigger that put me over the top and said, incredible Hulk is coming out. Snap city, Snap city. It was like, I can't even remember because I just put him in a headlock and just started ufc, pounding him, throwing him to the ground on top of him. Just, like, unleashing all this anger. It had to come out somewhere.

[Ed Mylett]

Yeah.

[Lewis Howes]

And this was the moment it exploded because I didn't know how to let it come out any other way. Now afterwards, I remember shaking so much. Cause he got up and there's blood gushing out everywhere, all over the corner. The police station is right across the street. It snaps back into me, like, I have everything to lose here. I could go to jail. Like, what if something happens? What if I actually hurt him really bad, Whatever. Like, what if my whole life could be over from one moment? I know what happened to my brother going to prison from one drug deal that he was involved in one thing. He got caught, which put him into prison. Sentenced six to 25 years. He got out in four and a half in good behavior. So all of a sudden, like, how stupid can I be to allow my emotions to get the best of me, to react? After that point, my friends were like, you know, you need some help, man. Like, you need some help. You know, it wasn't that bad, but they were like, why are you doing this?

[Ed Mylett]

But that shouldn't happen, right?

[Lewis Howes]

Why are you allowing this to happen?

[Ed Mylett]

Did you know why then?

Do you think you knew?

[Lewis Howes]

I think it was just, like, angry at everything.

[Ed Mylett]

No matter how successful you're still there's.

This angry piece of you.

[Lewis Howes]

Because I would achieve all these things that I wanted. But then I was, like, angry right when I achieved them. Like, it didn't fulfill me.

[Ed Mylett]

Yes, yes.

[Lewis Howes]

So I was like, I need to get bigger. I need to make more. I need to, like, get more goals. I need to do this. Like, maybe then I'll feel good. And none of it made me feel good. I don't know if you felt that way. Like, I need to get 10 million, then 100 million. Then I need to sell my company.

[Ed Mylett]

Yes.

[Lewis Howes]

And then I'm gonna feel great. And maybe it felt great, maybe not.

[Ed Mylett]

But if it does, it's temporary. And you're exactly right. Everybody watching this, that's had any level of achievement that thinks once I get something else or I get to this place, then I'll be happy, then I'll be happy, then I'll be happy.

And it does.

I don't know anybody.

And you and I also both know.

Lots of very wealthy people who are completely unhappy.

Like Tony Robbins talks about all the.

Time, success without fulfillment is complete failure. Right? And so I relate to that level of failure. So do a lot of people.

And those of you that are chasing your dream, you've got to find a way.

And we're going to talk about this in a minute to enjoy you now.

Celebrate you now. Because when you get to these different places, guess who arrives there?

[James Lawrence]

You.

[Ed Mylett]

And if you're there with the same damage, with these same masks on, the amount of money you have just sometimes frankly magnifies the pain that you're in, I think, because you can, you can act out different ways. So go ahead. So you have this event.

[Lewis Howes]

So my friends start saying. And I kind of come to an awareness of like, I remember running back from those courts, like up into my room up here, like looking in the mirror, shaking because I've got like blood all over me. And I'm like, what am I doing? The last fight I was in was when I was like 15 or something. And I'm like, why am I doing this? Look at myself in the mirror. Literally like, why? Why are you doing this? Who are you?

[Ed Mylett]

Okay.

[Lewis Howes]

And who do you want to become? I was just asking myself this over and over and I started to say, okay, I need to take a deeper look at why I'm so resentful, why I'm so angry, why I'm so frustrated, and why I'm triggered. Why am I triggered when someone steps to me or says something to me or leaves a negative review online or why do I always have to defend myself? So I started calling some therapist friends of mine that I knew, some spiritual coaches that I knew. I started going to workshops and I went to this one emotional intelligence workshop that similar, like what Tony does, where I had us address kind of our past, past with our parents, pass with girlfriends, past with friends, like childhood, and just kind of addressing it all. We recreated and reenacted situations to face ourselves in those moments and recognize why we become that way. And after I was in this five day workshop and after the third day, we had done a lot, you know, addressing our past. I cleared with my parents internally. I cleared with like, relationships. And the facilitator of this workshop, there are about 50 people in it. He said, okay, we're moving forward to focus on our vision for our future, the things you want to create, the person you want to become. We've addressed everything in the past, but if there's anything you haven't addressed yet, now's the time to talk about it. Otherwise, we're moving forward, like, get on the ship. And so I'm going through, in my mind at this moment, like, it's a pause in the room, and I'm going through. I'm like, my parents getting divorced. Yeah. Like, pretty much everyone has done that, Right? Okay. I went through that feeling bullied and picked on. I talked about this feeling, like, insecure in school, my brother in prison. Like, I talked about all these things, and I was like, what about the time I was raped by a man? It just kind of came in my mind. And this was always in the back of my mind. You know, every week, I would think about that moment.

[Ed Mylett]

You.

[Lewis Howes]

It would come up, like, just kind of randomly pop in and out of my head, and I would just push it to the side. And I remember thinking to myself, if I don't say this now, I'll probably never say it to anyone. Like, the setting was perfect. I'd gone through enough challenges and breakdowns in my life where I was like, I'm willing to figure out whatever it is. I'm gonna go there. And so I just stood up, walked to the front of the room. I didn't even ask for permission or anything. I just stood up, walked to the front of room. And I remember, Ed, that I couldn't look anyone in the eyes, so I was staring down the entire time at the ground. And I walked through for the first time just looking down. You know, when I was five years old, I was at the babysitter's. The babysitter had a son who was a teenager. And I just walked through the entire thing, and I couldn't look up because I was so embarrassed and so ashamed of people knowing this about me. And when I was complete, I said it pretty calmly, you know, I just kind of said it very calmly. And when I went to walk down, it's like, almost the moment I sat down, it's like I erupted of tears that I've never had in my life, and I just couldn't stop crying. I was just, like, crying over and over again. Thankfully, there were two women on either side of me that were holding me. They were crying. I was crying. I was embarrassed and ashamed of what I just said of people knowing this about me, because I Wasn't perfect looking anymore. I wasn't this, like, all American guy who had it figured out anymore. And I remember running out of the room outside. It was in a hotel conference room. I ran outside because I just needed some fresh air. I had my head up against the wall outside. And one of the most beautiful things that ever happened to me happened next. One by one, the men who were in the room came up to me outside and just gave me a big hug, looked me in my eyes and told me that I was their hero. One by one, they said different things like that. And the crazy thing, the thing that I was afraid of people knowing about me the most was actually the thing that when I shared it, people connected with me even more, trusted me more. And people kept saying that, like, wow, I thought, like, something completely different about you, but now I trust, trust you. Now I'll follow you anywhere. Like, they said these things to me, and I was like, what? That makes no sense, you know, everything that I was afraid of that I was taught not to be, a little bitch, a little girl, a little pussy, a little fag, whatever the words were, that made you wrong, that made you different, that pushed people away from you. I was taught to, like, fit in by, like, being manly, having it figured it out, you know, winning, like, talking bad to people, whatever it may be. And none of those things served my heart. And it started to awaken everything in me. Like, when I finally opened up about that, I just said, you know what? I'm gonna open up about everything.

[Jason Wilson]

How?

[Lewis Howes]

Because the freedom it gave me to realize, wow, you still accept me for who I am or the things I've been through, and you still like me. You actually like me more. You trust me more. I was like, what?

[Ed Mylett]

Wow.

[Lewis Howes]

This concept of, like, being real, you know, not that I wasn't real.

[Ed Mylett]

Yeah.

[Lewis Howes]

But I think I was always, like, had a little bit of layer of a mask hiding behind.

[Ed Mylett]

We all do. And what's amazing. Sorry, I'm getting a little choked, but of all the. I mean, I read all these personal development books, I listen to all these guys. It's the most compelling story I've read. I'm just gonna tell you I appreciate it, man. No, it is, brother. Because the courage. I think it takes courage when you're five, but to carry. Carry it and carry it and carry it and carry it and then release it like this massive. That takes a gargantuan amount of courage, right? It does.

And I think for those.

The people that are listening to this, because this is corny. To say. But, like often in our life, our greatest test is actually our defining testimony of our life. Like, that was the greatest test of your life, and it's really the testimony of your life. Like, everything you're becoming, it was unleashed because you finally took your mask off. That was the big mask you wore.

[Lewis Howes]

Huge for me, the secret I was carrying around my whole life that I didn't want anyone to know. And here's the crazy thing. You know, the people in that workshop were like, you should tell your family. And I was like, there's no way. Even after that, I was still scared to let anyone. I was like, this is a safer container. You know, it's, like, confidential. Like, no one's going to hear about this. But I was willing to explain and see what I needed to let go of to see what I could create in my life. Eventually, I was like, okay, I'm gonna tell my family one by one. And it was terrifying. But again, when I told them, they opened up to things about me that I didn't know, and we built a stronger relationship as a family. Then they were like, you should tell your friends. I was like, no way. My family has to love me. You know what I mean? But my friends, they're probably not gonna accept me anymore. But I started doing it one by one.

[Ed Mylett]

What was that like, Zay?

Was it? Would you go into them?

[Lewis Howes]

Like, I think I went back to, like, just being terrified as a kid. Like, what if they don't accept me? Same thing. It was like, the fear of, what if people don't accept me? But one by one, people accepted me even more, and they trusted me even more, and they were there for me more and had compassion. You know, humanity is a powerful thing when you show vulnerability. I truly believe that other people who have deep hearts, like, are going to open up.

[Ed Mylett]

So do I.

[Lewis Howes]

You know, there may be some people who are going to be so guarded they can't receive it, but usually, most people have a great heart.

[Ed Mylett]

You're right.

[Lewis Howes]

And my friends started saying, you got to share this publicly. And I was like, no fucking way.

[Ed Mylett]

Now you're right.

[Lewis Howes]

Right? They're like, you should do this on your podcast. I was like, no, it's gonna hurt my business. Like, what? People are really gonna think weird about me.

[Ed Mylett]

Yeah.

[Lewis Howes]

But after six months of me just saying, you know what? I need to continue to talk about this, because it still has power over me. Because when I talk about it, I quiver. I palpitate my heart like it still owns me. And I don't want this thing to own me anymore. I want to own it. And so I finally had enough courage to just kind of tell all the close people in my life, my friends and family. And it wasn't a hard thing anymore to talk about it. You know, it's still a moment that I wish no one to go through, but it doesn't take over my body. And so I said, you know what? I need to do this publicly. Because I felt like I've never seen another white, straight, male jock looking guy open up about this. Yeah, I've never seen it. Maybe it's happened, but I just. Nor have I. I can't think of like some personality or athlete or business leader who has opened up about it. And one in six men have been sexually abused in some way. One in six. And yet it's not acceptable to talk about it, whether it be, you know, to friends and family or publicly or whatever. It's just. I'm not saying everyone should publicly talk about it.

[Ed Mylett]

Sure.

[Lewis Howes]

But I felt like for me, I.

[Ed Mylett]

Love what you said about it still owning you.

[Lewis Howes]

It was. Yeah, yeah. And I was just like, I felt a duty, a responsibility to continue to talk about it because. And here's the thing happened when I put it on my podcast. I talked about it on my podcast and did a whole episode about it four years ago. I shared it out. And at night, I posted it out at night, like 11 o', clock, I was right here in this room, I posted it out and I went out and sat on that patio right there and I sent out one tweet and I just said, I'm gonna leave it up to the universe to see what happens. I didn't promote it anyway. I just put one tweet out and I was like, wanna go to bed and see? Hopefully no one watches this. You know, I was like, hoping that no one saw it.

[Ed Mylett]

You wanted to, but you don't.

[Lewis Howes]

And the crazy thing is I went outside and. And it was like, it was 11 o' clock at night, but it felt like it was daytime. It was the largest moon in the last hundred years that happened that night. It was a super moon. And it was like, I didn't know this was happening at that time. I just decided I needed to post it then. And it kind of gives me chills thinking about it. And I was looking up the definition of like, what's a super moon mean? And it's like, super moon, like, shifts the world. And like, I was like, this is crazy, right? And over the next couple of weeks, I. I was Getting hundreds of emails from men, sending essays, telling me, I've been married for 35 years, my wife doesn't know. This is what happened to me. I've been in this relationship for this long. I've never told anyone. You know, this happened to me for years when I was a kid. You know, the craziest stories I've ever heard made mine look like a Disney movie compared to some of the stuff that men were emailing me. But it's like I gave these men who listened to permission for the first time to talk about it. Because if a big jock looking guy.

[Ed Mylett]

Like me, you're right, good looking, big jock, athlete, successful, I talk about it.

[Lewis Howes]

Then maybe someone else can talk about it. And the healing that started to happen from within of these men, where they finally started to talk to their partner about it, where they finally started to address it, where they finally started to not be so stoic or so driven by sexual mask or the material mask to make themselves feel better. They started to communicate in healthier forms and just show a little bit of emotion, show a little bit of vulnerability and heal from within. And they got healthier physically. Their businesses grew, their relationships thrived because they were able to communicate. And I think as men, we've been conditioned not to share certain things. To be tough, to be these things, to not be weak, to not be soft.

[Ed Mylett]

Yeah.

[Lewis Howes]

To not show emotion, to not show affection. You know, as a kid, I was always, like, pushed away from my friends when I would be like, it's so good to see you. You know, I would, like, put an arm around a guy, not in a sexual way. Just like, buddy.

[Ed Mylett]

Buddy.

Yeah.

[Lewis Howes]

And be like, get off me.

[Ed Mylett]

What?

[Lewis Howes]

Are you gay?

[Ed Mylett]

Yes.

That's interesting. I was gonna tell you something. Cause I'm that way too.

I have touchy feeling, especially. It's funny, especially with. It's like when I see my buddies.

[Lewis Howes]

I touch them, you know?

[Les Brown]

Exactly.

[Ed Mylett]

That was a great conversation. And if you want to hear the full interview, be sure to follow the Ed Mylett show on Apple and Spotify. Links are in the show notes. Here's an excerpt I did with our next guest. Welcome back to the show, everybody. Hey, have you ever thought about, like, running a marathon? Because I've thought about it. I'm like, there's an Ironman in Coeur d' Alene where I spent my summers. Just the marathon part of it. I was like, that's bananas. 26 miles, you know? And have you ever thought about doing that? Or you ever watch one of these Ironmans and go, man, I'm going to do that someday. And by the way, it's like about a two and a half mile swim, 112 miles on a bike, 26 mile run. That's kind of what an iron length triathlon is. I want you to imagine doing one of those. Then I want you to imagine getting up the next day and doing it again. Can you imagine back to back days? Then I want you to contemplate thinking about doing it 30 freaking days in a row. You got that? How about 50 days in a row? How about 100 days in a row? Get your mind around that. Okay. That would be one of the great all time athletic endurance feats in the history of the world. And simultaneously one of the great mental toughness and resiliency feats of all time. Guess what? I got the dude here today who did it a hundred in a row in a hundred days. His name is Iron Cowboy James Lawrence. Welcome to the program, brother. I've sat at those Ironmans because I lived in Coeur d', Alene, so I've sat at an actual Ironman, one of the trademark ones. And I don't go to watch the pros finish. I've gone. I like to go at nighttime, it's usually raining. And you're watching a 82 year old priest finish right before the end of the night. Right. Or a guy with a prosthetic leg, or a lady who's just survived stage four cancer. And what happens to you when you watch something like that and then what you've done is some level that's just beyond comprehension almost is that I weep and everyone's crying. And after about six years of doing this, my kids are like, dad cries once a year. You know, it's watching these beautiful souls make something that seemed impossible possible. And I concluded that we're all crying because we know this courage, this mental toughness, this incredible thing these people are displaying, we also have inside us and we're not utilizing. And that's why it's a tear. It's not laughter, it's a tear. Because I know it's tears of joy, but it's also tears of personal reflection. And when I was watching you finish this thing, I was reflecting. It's amazing. You're listening to some of my stuff, but I was, I was reflecting. I just literally lost my breath saying I was reflecting, like, what am I capable of? What's the last massive challenge I've taken on in my life? And I'm curious for you. I want to go through it Because I think there's metaphors everywhere. So he's, by the way, the reason I started with 30 and 50 is he's done that. And then when you do the 50 and 50, I'm like, bro, you're out of your damn mind.

Right?

And then to go do the conquer 100. But I'm reading about both, you know, both of those last two. It's inspiring, right? But this time, like day five, your shins start exploding, right? Like you're on day five. Talk, talk us through that. Did you think of quitting then?

[James Lawrence]

So. So two really cool things happened that took me a little bit of time to realize. I went into it knowing that you can't train for a hundred consecutive. You have to adapt and evolve along the way. And I knew, look, the first 15 and 20 of these are going to be hell because you've got to get to the point where you're broken physically, mentally, and then push through that. And that's where everybody quits. And if I can push through that, my body's going to adapt and evolve and it's going to become the new normal.

[Ed Mylett]

Everybody, I want you to write this down. Pull over. Adapt and evolve. That's in your business, that's in your family, that's in your fitness. That's. That's the key. Go ahead, keep going.

[Jason Wilson]

Yeah.

[James Lawrence]

And so when I went into it with an ankle problem that I didn't tell anybody about and it immediately exploded into my shin to where we developed a stress fracture in the bone. And super long story, but a miracle happened. We ended up getting a carbon plated shin sprint brace that allowed us to offload the shin and continue on to heal that stress fracture by doing the marathon portion every single day. It was a total miracle, but a complete testament to me that you give the body the tools and assets that it needs to recover. It can still do so under stress. And that was amazing to me to watch the body heal like that. Now the shin and the imbalance that created a hip problem became so painful. Some of my worst days, I don't remember them, but we have the video footage where I would be trying to move and the pain would get to a point that I could no longer manage it and I would black out. And my, we called them the wingman. My wingman would catch me, I'd come back to and he would do a 10 second countdown and then say, here we go. And we would repeat that until I got to. I'm going to be emotional, but until I got to the finish line. That night. And again, it's just a testament to how powerful the mind is now. I was angry because I wanted to showcase how strong our team was mentally and physically. And I wanted to make the hundred look easy. I believed we could do that. And I was angry that I couldn't run. And then I was forced to walk. And it turned out to be the biggest blessing of the entire campaign.

[Ed Mylett]

Why?

[James Lawrence]

My, my, my pain and discomfort forced me to walk. And every single day we had people from around the country fly in and locals to support us. And without fail, they said, I'm so grateful you're walking, because I wouldn't have been able to join you.

[Les Brown]

If you.

[James Lawrence]

If you weren't walking. And, and I was hard on myself because I was like, look, I'm an athlete. I want to destroy this. And as, as I, as I got deeper into it, I was like, I'm so grateful for this injury. I'm so grateful I'm walking. And my pain has turned into a blessing that other people can join and have an experience. And every single day, somebody did their first 10k with me, or their first marathon or their first full distance or their first 100 mile bike ride. And every single day, I got to experience somebody else's first. And it was humbling. And it was. Yeah, humbling.

[Les Brown]

Wow.

[Ed Mylett]

I mean, by the end of this, you guys, a couple hundred people riding.

The cyclists with them and you, I.

Actually, for you, I'm grateful that it didn't look easy because I think you connected at least with me watching you struggle. I'm on Instagram every night watching these.

Videos when it was happening.

And like, there were literally times for me watching you, like, I'm in tears, like, not wondering the next day, just. But it's one of the most. I don't even like to say one of the most because when I say that, then I have to think of something that I think is more. It's just insanely inspiring. And I can't think of something mentally or physically I've ever seen close to this because of the adversity, because of all the people that got caught up in it with you. Also, though, there's another element of this that, you know, this idea of adapting, man, I'm just so glad that you.

Said that for everybody's sake.

But I'm curious of all of them. The one you, Tommy, did the 50 or this time, was there a moment where you're like, I'm out. I'm going to like, you're literally blacking out, Right? So that's insane to me, but was there a time when you just consciously went, I'm in too much pain, I'm in too much. Because, guys, these are icy roads, snowy. Sometimes imagine shin issues on a snowy ice. Oh, my gosh. Like, like, was there a point or are there lots of points where you're like, I'm out. Was there one particular bro where you're like, no, no, no. Like, this time I'm really out.

[James Lawrence]

So my team is world class. And. And there's. There's the core four of us. It's my wife, Sunny, Jo, and then the two wingman, Casey and Aaron. And they were the four of us, thick and thin through the 50. And then I brought those boys back on for the 100 and they played massive roles. And Sonny is obviously the head of this entire thing. And we just know from experience that it's okay to feel, it's not okay to quit, it's okay to problem solve, it's not okay to quit. And it. And it's okay to process. And I think that's what a lot of people don't do, especially men, is they. They don't allow themselves to feel and process before they hunker down and keep going. At no point in time was ever any of us saying, you know, we're quit, and we got to be talked back into it. But every single one of us had moments where we just needed to cry, to feel beautiful, supported, to where we said, okay, I've had my two minutes. I'm not going to dwell on it. We're going to quickly turn this around and we're going to get back to work. And that's the reason the four of us are so strong together, because all four of us have that mindset. And I will tell you this, the closest that I ever came to even considering it was somewhere between 15 and 20 where we were at the peak of that pain, where I had a couple days where I was blacking out. I don't remember portions of it. And I remember standing in the shower and I kind of just shrugged my shoulders at Sunny and I said, I don't know how many more days I can manage the pain at that level. Because when you've got 85 more days to go, that is so. It's so daunting. And when you're broken, you. It's hard to conceptualize what it's like. And I'll never forget what she said. She said, you're done today and you don't have to do anything else. And all you have to do is now trust in the team, get out of the shower, go lay on the table and let them take care of you. And then we will face whatever comes tomorrow together. And I think that's what a lot of people don't do is you've got this today's mentality of the people that, that do decide to show up that it's like, I got to go in all the time, I got to go all in all the time. I got to hurt more than he does. And they don't take two seconds to reset mentally. And I can't tell you how important that was. And the valuable lesson that I learned was you've done enough today to take two seconds and reset. And as soon as I got into that rhythm knowing and again it takes putting the right team together and then it takes letting go and trusting the team that you have put together to do their job, to do their part. And that's hard too as a man to let go of like control of every piece of that puzzle and to go, I surrender and I trust you to do your part. And it's hard to find good people nowadays that are willing to do their part. And I have that team. And so when Sonny said, you've done enough today, and I think that's so important because we go through life and I think we're so hard on ourselves, we see ourselves differently. And how many times in our lives, on our journeys do we take a minute and say, you're enough, you've done enough. And I think it's so important, especially as men to be, to be vulnerable and just say, I've done enough today. I'm going to take on tomorrow when tomorrow comes.

[Ed Mylett]

Before we start the interview with my next guest, just want to remind you all that you can subscribe to the show on YouTube or follow the show on Apple or Spotify. We have all the links in our show notes. You'll never miss an episode that way. Now on with the show. Welcome back to Max out, everybody. Today's awesome. It's going to be awesome. I got a nine time Pro Bowler in the NFL, NFL hall of Famer in my lifetime as a 49 year old man, the greatest safety I've ever seen playing a football field. But what's going to be remarkable about today is there's so much more depth to this man than just football. We're going to talk about faith, mental health, achievement, being in the present moment. And he's also just gifted with an incredible ability to articulate his thoughts before I Introduce him. If you want to go watch one of the all time great induction speeches into a Hall of fame, go YouTube. Brian Dawkins entry into the hall of Fame speech. Absolutely mind blowing. So I kind of gave it away. Brian Dawkins, welcome to Max Out.

[Brian Dawkins]

It is a blessing to be on here with you. I am a fan. I'm a fan of yours and how you've used your message and who you are to be able to strengthen so many people thus far. And then you have so many more yet to come. So it's a pleasure for me to be on your show.

[Ed Mylett]

My honor. So one thing you did that was interesting, I think passion causes you to out prepare people. So. But one of the things you did, y' all should go look this up. But he creates this character like Weapon X, right? He come out in this bear crawl. He walked out on this hall of Fame speech in a bear crawl. Right. But he created this character that he almost transformed. There's this transformation that took place. You say, well, that's great for an athlete. You know, I teach my fighters go in there and this character. But I think everybody should have this character. When I go speak in public, I literally picture myself. I'll tell you what you guys do. I flood. I'm Superman. I flood myself as this character. I picture Jesus. I picture the two or three greatest speakers. Or I kind of flood myself with this energy that transforms me. I used to do it when I go on a sales call, I'm gonna give a speech. Like, you can pick, you know what's cool about picking a character too. In business, if you get rejected, it's kind of the character that got rejected.

[Brian Dawkins]

His fault. Yeah, it's his fault.

[Ed Mylett]

Right? But talk about Weapon X, this whole Wolverine thing, and it was legitimately real. I don't want to interrupt you, but this man had a locker next to his damn locker 4. Weapon X. No one does that crap in the NFL. So talk about that for a minute. The power of that.

[Brian Dawkins]

I've always been, even growing up, I was always an emotional kid. So we lose a game, I'm going to be the one crying, not wanting to shake people hand, you know, that was me. So I was already someone who was emotional. Some people call it matter of fact, teammates would call me mean. Like, we lose a game, you know, you don't want to be around me because I'm mean. So not being able to deal with some of the fluctuations of testosterone and the like was some of the things that I dealt with. But I also had a. That Again, that passion that. Go back to that word passion. Right. So when I flipped the switch for practice and games, I was a different dude. Literally, I was a different dude, different cat. I don't want to. Don't. I'm not smiling with you. I'm not playing with you, especially. We start doing competitive stuff. No. It's go time. So I'm going to do whatever it takes to win in that situation.

[Ed Mylett]

I read this thing that you said. Preparation, energy, prayer. Like, is that part of this transformation?

[Brian Dawkins]

Yes. Yes. So in order for me to perform at the levels that I was blessed to perform at, I had to have everything in line, and prayer was very important in that. So specific things that I do, if you go to briandolphins.com, you'll see it. It's called the blueprint challenge. It's specific things that I do every day to help me be the best version of myself. And throughout the week, if I'm prayed up, if I've been meditating, and I ask the Lord to take away any and all distractions and clear my heart of any and all burdens I may bear so I may perform my very best, knowing you'll always be there. Please lift me up before this moment so through your eyes, I may see and have a clear understanding as this game unfolds before me. With great courage, I will meet this challenge that you would have me to. But keep me humble. Remind me that my strength comes from knowing you. That's called the athlete's prayer.

[Les Brown]

Right.

[Brian Dawkins]

And so when you have that mindset that, first of all, I'm not doing this by myself, I'm going to need help to get some of these distractions out of my heart so that I can pour everything that I have on game day. I'm not just giving my teammates what I have left. I'm giving them everything that I have. And that's different. It's different. I had teammates that gave me what they had left because they were doing stuff on Thursday night. They was out. They weren't, you know, getting the massages. They weren't taking the supplements, and, you know, they were maybe even out drinking, doing things. So they had. They were giving us what they had left. I was giving them everything that I had.

[Ed Mylett]

Wow.

[Brian Dawkins]

Wow. So I can. I can then, as a leader, once I've earned the right to be a leader of someone, now, I can then demand or ask that in return because I know exactly what I'm giving.

[Les Brown]

Right?

[Brian Dawkins]

And so going. Going back to Wolverine, that came into fruition because people saw that I had all those figurine figures in my locker. I love Wolverine. And so that's how it became Wolverine. Before that it was idiot man. I called him idiot man. He was. I was idiot Man. I turned into idiot man because it's go time. It was idiot man time. And then it became Wolverine because again, cbs, one of the news places that was doing the playoffs that year, they saw that I had all those figurines up there. But the thing that I tell people to this day, Brian Dawkins could not perform and do the things that he did on the field. Brian Dawkins could not do it. There's no way Brian Dawkins survives on the football field. If I go out with that, with my laid back, Brian Dawkins is an introvert for the most part. Brian Dawkins does not need to be the light in the room. I mean the voice, the loudest voice in the room. Brian Dawkins would just sit back and just watch people act a fool for the more and just laugh at him.

[Ed Mylett]

To be honest, I relate.

[Brian Dawkins]

But when it comes to go time, when I flip that dog on switch, when I put that breathe stride on that last little piece, I would literally say to myself, brian Dawkins has become idiot man. And it's go time. It's time to go. And what I found is that I know now that energy is transferable. That same individual so called that I turned into on game day. To your point, I can use the same type of thought process to help me through whatever I may be going through, whether it's a meeting. To your point, there's a certain. When I go and speak and give motivational speeches, I get in front of them and like, listen, put your hand and we gonna count to three. Because you are my teammates and you have not entered into my huddle. And I'm gonna talk to you like I would talk to my teammates. And we're in a fourth quarter and we need this drive. So the rest of this meeting, the rest of this conference, or whatever it is, I'm gonna talk to you in those terms. So sometimes my wife hear me talking. Why are you yelling at them? I'm yelling at them because it's go time. We need a first. We need to get off the field. And I need them to see life differently, see their lives differently. I need them to come up with plans in their own mind's eye. If nothing ever prevented you from being the best version of yourself, nobody told you you were limited. You had never failed at Anything. And, you know, you wouldn't fail going forward. What would you dream? How big would your dreams be?

[Ed Mylett]

So good. I'm watching your face right now. I'm fired the F up, right? Like I'm watching you. And couple things I just want to unpack on there, you guys. Number one, energy is transferable. This is a big, big deal. But just ask yourself, would it serve you to create a damn character for you in some way? I'm telling you, you start to embody. We all have these insecurities. Like, people meet me when they're like, I can't believe how quiet and introverted you are. And, you know, I like to listen to people. I'm not. I don't like being the center of attention yet I have to, you know, I speak in front of lots of people or coach people. That's sort of. It's a part of my personality. It's just like. It's just like, you know, Wolverine was yours. But it's not the main part. Like, it's not that I'm not expressing myself, but the main means, the introvert. The main means is I enjoy being this other dude. But here's what people don't get. I want you to listen what he talked about on energy because you just watched him do it. If you're watching YouTube, you felt it. If you're driving in your car right now, right. Or you're, you know, on a treadmill somewhere. I think people underestimate the amount of energy required to dominate. Just energy it takes to vibrate at a high enough damn frequency. When you're a dominator in business, life, relationships, money, your body. I'm tired after I do certain things right. Like because I've expended so much energy. True or false for you?

[Les Brown]

True.

[Brian Dawkins]

Matter of fact, after this interview, I'm going to be drained because I know that I exerted, I poured out like I gave of myself. When you give of yourself, first of all, go back to the confidence thing that you talked about earlier. You have to be confident that I can do this, that I can be that. When I see myself and I enter a room, I think about myself as being a thermostat. I want to be a thermostat, not a thermometer. Anytime that I enter into a room, especially where I am now as a life coach and, you know, executive, a little bit consultor, I want to be able to. In those moments, if the temperature is too low, I need to bring it up a little bit. Yes. If it's flat and nobody really wants it. What can I do? Matter of fact, before I enter into that doorway, I've already decided what the energy I'm going to bring. One of the things that I do in the morning before I get out of the car to go into the office. When I was an executive, I would part and I would say a quick little prayer. Okay, this is what I'm bringing. When I walk into the threshold of that door, this is what they're going to get. And I go in there purposefully, once again, I flip that switch. It's not full blown Wolverine. Yeah, it's not all the way. I'm not bear crawling into the office, but I'm coming in with a specific energy because what I want to be and what I'm going to be because I'm choosing to be it is someone that when you see me coming, a smile comes to your face. I want to be that I don't want to be. When someone calls me on the phone and you see my number, you're like, oh, man, yeah, no, no, that's not the energy that I'm going to exude. I'm going to exude the type of energy that actually like pushes you, fills you up. Yes, I want to give to you. And that's one of the reasons that I've decided to answer the call of me stepping out, talking to people more about how I was blessed to do what I did. And it's not something that I own. It's something yes, I own. Yes, it is mine. But it's not something that's just mine. Because I don't believe. Wisdom is something I'm supposed to take to the grave with me.

[Ed Mylett]

That's right. One of the things that's unique about you is you actually really did it. What's rare in coaching today, social media today, someone actually has a track record of doing what they say you should be doing that they're teaching you. And they go, hey, by the way, see this thing behind me right here? This is the hall of fame. Like, it kind of worked. See these nine Pro Bowls, see my family, see my faith, you know, it kind of works. And then they point to it. I'd like to think that's why my following grew, is like, oh, he was already he's teaching me what he knows. One thing on the energy thing too that I just want to share with you. That was interesting for me and everyone listening to it. How's the supply one? Sometimes people do take that too extreme. Like, all right, I'm going to walk in A room, and then you loot, you disconnect. You got to kind of meet people where they are. But then leaders shift the energy. Yes, they become that thermostat. But one of the things that was just interesting for me, I had done this because it does drain you. I just want to share this with you. I don't know if you had any of this happen when you played football and for businessmen and women listening to this. For me, I was really good at that with my friends. I was good at that in the gym, in my sports. I was really good at it in business. But I wasn't conscious of doing that with my family. So in my home, I was the leader of my home. But I don't know that I kind of expended a lot of my energy then I was just kind of me at home, and I became conscious maybe just a few years ago of like, hey, man, I got to set the energy tone for our family. We're going to do something great, right? And that was where if I'm being vulnerable to my audience, that was the area I had to step up and shift in the energy of my family. And you're nodding. I'm just curious with you.

[Brian Dawkins]

Yes, Yes, I was, especially as a player, I was so spent from giving, whether it be training, I would do specific things. Like I would create in my schedule per day an opportunity to talk to teammates if they need something. You know, even some coaches. When I was in Denver, we were losing. We were losing quite a bit. And so I find myself counseling a lot of guys, a lot of even some coaches, spiritually and professionally. So I was. When I would get home and I was older, so I was. It took me longer to recover. And so I was not always in the best of moods when I got home. So when I retired, my daughters, the twins, were like babies. And for the longest, they really responded to me like I was a stranger. They knew me, but they weren't as, I guess, close to me as the older two were. My older two, we have four. So it took me coming out of that, coming to that realization that you're talking about, and I have to bring that same energy, that similar understanding on giving and being open and wow, thank you for this. I got to the point where I understood that I needed to be more emotionally available to my family. That's how it came to me. You need to be more emotionally available. What does that mean for me? That means that I need to come to them with a blank space, expression wise, body energy wise, for them to Be able to paint on. So they want to hug me, they want to kiss me, that, you know, they want to watch tv, they want to do something. I need to be available for them and my wife as well, Connie as well. I need to be emotionally available in that space. So you're right.

[Ed Mylett]

Yes.

[Brian Dawkins]

I had to come to that. That was not something that hit me when I was a player, to be honest. That's something that came after retirement.

[Ed Mylett]

Beautiful. One thing I want to say that you said there, that I just made me reflect on myself, that I need to improve. Two grown men being very vulnerable. A lot of testosterone just dropped here in the room. But you know, about that blank slate. I'll tell you something I need to improve. I'm just talking now. It's like everyone's listening on our conversation. But that blank slate thing is powerful. Those of you that are really achievers and you're learning all these tactics and things that Brian and I teach about peak performance and mindset and all these things, one of the things I have to be is more of a blank slate at home because I find myself coaching people all the time. Sometimes your children don't want you to coach them. They just want you to be that blank slate and let them do their thing and love on them. I have this tendency, like, hey, that's how you should say this. This is what you should. You need in this mindset. You know, you can actually push people away that are close to you if you do too much of that stuff without them wanting it. Like, that's one thing I got to work on myself.

[Brian Dawkins]

Yes. And again, coming to that realization and then understanding of that, it's so important. Not everybody will do that. Not everybody will admit that they will continue to do the same thing the way that they've always done it, get the same results. Whether that be your kids not wanting to be around you or, you know, they see you coming and, you know, you get the eye roll.

[Ed Mylett]

I see that look.

[Brian Dawkins]

So I give them again, I give them their space and allowing them once again to lead a discussion, to lead where we're going. During this time, during the pandemic, I've been very intentional of spending time doing some of the stuff that they like, especially watching cartoons. I love cartoons anyway, so, you know, but watching cartoons with them, sitting down to see, you know, what they like, what their days have been like, being more emotionally once again available to have those conversations with them. And to your point, we as men especially, you, don't need to fix everything. They don't Our wives don't need us to fix everything. Sometimes it's just to listen, to practice the art of listening.

[Ed Mylett]

That was a great conversation. Be sure to follow the Ed Mylett show on Apple and Spotify. Links are in the show notes. You'll never miss an episode that way. All right, welcome back to Max out, everybody. Today is an honor for me because I didn't even want to tell him this off camera, but this man has changed my life. Many, many years ago. I was living at home with my mom and dad, and my dad got me a job, as most of you know, at an orphanage, at a group home. And about three days later, he says, you need to start to get motivated. And he said, I just heard this guy in the car. Somebody gave me one of his tapes. You need to listen to this man. He's incredible. And I put the cassette in, and my life started to change. And that was the journey of listening to literally hundreds. Hundreds of hours of this man's work impacted my life. I consider him to be the greatest speaker I've ever seen. And so the. Or heard. And many of you know that that's something that I do as well. So pretty scrutinizing about those things. This is a man who was born as a twin on, really a. In a dirty building on the floor. He was labeled as the not so smart twin. Was labeled as a child to have some retardation. As a matter of fact, got adopted by Mamie. And the rest of it is one of the most amazing stories you're gonna ever hear. And it's like an honor for me, everybody, to introduce this man to you because today's gonna be an absolute treasure with the great Les Brown. So, Les, thank you so much for being here.

[Les Brown]

Well, thank you so much for having me. And you're very modest. I'm looking at the greatest speaker on the planet. I don't think you can sneak up on me. I know when I'm in the presence of greatness, I listen to you. I thank you for the work that you're doing, the lives that you've transformed, and the impact that you're making on the planet. So I am so honored to be in your presence, sir.

[Ed Mylett]

God bless you. When I introduced you as the greatest speaker that I've ever seen. And by the way, that shortchanges, I believe, greatest teacher communicator that I've ever seen in my life. And the other one that made the impact on me was Art Williams, who I know you would both agree this is a. There was an Amazing communicator. Still is. And so I met him one time, and he gave me a nice compliment about a talk I had given. And so I said, well, there's only. There's two I've ever seen in my life. And I said, it's you, Mr. Williams. And I said, and then Les Brown's in a class all his own. And I said, he's so talented and gifted. And he stopped me. And this leads to your mother again, a situation that I know about. I'd like you to share. And he goes, he's not that talented and gifted.

He's a worker. He works.

Les works at it. This is a skill he's developed. He wasn't born with this. He's worked at it. If you knew the people I know, this guy is on the road. He works. And then I was listening to you, and this amazing. Your mother's.

This theme in your life.

But when you were a young boy, your mother lost the ability to work. And so I think the story is she starts sort of like making a little moonshine to sort of support the family, right? And something happens. And I think you're like 10 years.

Old, something like this, right?

And then you got to take over. Would you just share this? Because I think everything happens for us, not to us. Our test will be our testimony. And the messes of our lives don't disqualify us. I think so many people think, this mess I'm in, this divorce, this business failure, this choice I made, I'm not proud of that. I'm ashamed of it. It disqualifies me, my background, my upbringing. I'm disqualified. Turns out you can turn those things in to be your testimony. And this situation with your mom, I think, triggered this work ethic in you at a young age that Art told me about.

[Les Brown]

Yes, Mama. She started selling homebrew and moonshine. And it was difficult for us at that time for her, raising seven children. She was injured on a job. And so she promised our birth mother that these children will never go to bed hungry. We will always have a roof over our head and clothes on our back. And a man came. I'll never forget what you're talking about. So you've done your research as much as I've been doing research on you. You and I are so much alike. And this guy, his name was Calhoun. And he knocked on the door. He said, leslie, how are you doing? I said, fine. Mama always said, don't ever open the door without telling me. And I said, oh, hey, Mama. No, no, no, no, don't tell her. I've got two friends with me. We're going to surprise her. Open the door. And I opened the door and let them come in, and one of the guys grabbed me, I was 10 years old, in the throat and hit me on the side of the head and threw me up against the wall. And he said, she's back there in the room. And they went back there, and Mama was selling homebrew and moonshine. And he said, pull up the linoleum. And they pull up the linoleum. And she kept it under the floor of the house that we were in. And they brought Mama out and handcuffs. I said, mama, so sorry. And she said, it's okay, Leslie. It's okay. And she never, ever, ever mentioned it when she came back. And so we don't have any relatives. We adopted. So the neighbors, you know, they will come in and bring us food from time to time. And I would collect, pop her in aluminum and sometimes stand in the corner. Hey, boy. Come over and get on a truck with older men to move heavy equipment. But years later, fast forward, man, I had it in my heart, if I ever saw this guy again, I'll kill him. And, boy, you know, God, for he has a sense of humor. Here I am talking to my young son, John Leslie, who's a speaker and trainer. I said, john Leslie, anger is a wind that blows out the lamp of the mind. He said, what do you mean by that, Daddy? I said, don't allow anger to govern you. Never make a decision while you are angry. It blows out the wind of the mind. You'll make decisions and do things that you will regret not later. At this time, a guy comes over and tapped my knee on the shoulder, and he said, hello, sir. I just want you to know we here in Miami are so proud of you. I had a talk show at King World that paid me $5 million to do the Les Brown Talk Show. Now, look, I'll never forget his face. I said to myself, oh, my God, this Calhoun. Now, here's my sad year. And I'm looking in this guy's face and put my mother in jail. And, man, I start. I was shortening the breath. And John Leslie said, dad, are you all right?

[Ed Mylett]

I said, no.

[Les Brown]

And this guy just kept one shaking. Man. Man, yes, Leslie. Man, you're really making us all proud. And I said, excuse me, sir. Excuse me. And I went outside, and my son said, what's going on? Is this something you ate? I said, no. Tell my sleep. I gotta go. I said, let's get in the car. I gotta go. He said, what's happening, dad? And I drove away for a little while, and I parked on the side to collect myself. I said, that man, he. He's the one that put your grandmother in jail. And I promised if I ever saw him again, I would kill him. He said, oh, God. I said, john, Leslie, you know what? It's a God moment. He said, why? I said, I got that hatred out of my heart for him because you were here. I have to model what I'm teaching you. People say, practice what you preach, but now God put it in me. I got to preach what I practice. I got to forget. And forgiveness is not forgetting. Forgiveness is remembering without anger. I forgive him. But most of all, I forgive myself. Please forgive me, God, for carrying this anger and hatred all these years. Yeah, listen to me. I've never told this story before.

[Ed Mylett]

Oh, my gosh.

[Les Brown]

This thing. You know, Forrest Gump had a point. Life is like a box of chocolates. You never know what you're going to get. That's all I got to say about that.

[Ed Mylett]

I can't believe you just shared that with us. I. Oh, my gosh. Your life is. One of the things about you, Les, is that your life is such an example of what's possible. I mean, everybody. I want you just picturing this about this beautiful man. I want you. This is a. He's born. His mother ends up giving him to adoption to Mamie. He and his brother, they live in these conditions. He's 10 years old. His mother has to go away for a while. He's got to support the family. He's had all these incidents he's had to observe up close. There are other ones with his mother when she's cleaning houses. And this woman claps her hands because she's got to know when her mother's in. In her room because she's going to steal something, which his mother would never do. This man goes on to influence millions. I mean, literally millions of people's lives. And then this is what's great about all of us making our dreams come true. When you make your dreams come true, the dreams of other people and dreams you can't picture also come true, because then he influences this goofy dude, me, 20 something years old, working in an orphanage, and it inspires me to change my life. So it's just your life is such an example. And what's interesting to me, Les, is it was mainly tied to Mom. Meaning you wanted to do something great for your mother all your life. And that was bigger, I think, than any obstacle that got in your way. I'd like you to share this with people because I think most people don't understand the power of having something big you're going after that means more to you than the pain you're going to have to go through in order to get it. I don't think enough people set huge, big goals that are from the heart. Don't you agree?

[Les Brown]

Yes. You said that. I was listening to you last night. You know Dexter Yeager, as you know, from Amway. He said if the dream is big enough, the odds don't matter. And so when you say dream big, that's major one. There's power and pursuit. Because as Jim Rowan said, it's not the accomplishment of the goal that matters. It's what you become in pursuit of the dream in the process. Because when you have a big dream, it will introduce you to a part of yourself that you don't know right now that you will never discover in your comfort zone. Because in order to achieve that dream, you've got to die to who you are now. I must die daily. You must die to who you are now. To give birth to who you are to become. I believe that all of us have stories of greatness in us. And follow me as I say this as this download. We all have stories of greatness within us. In the beginning was the word thou shall decree of things shall be established unto you. When shall the kingdom of God come Seek ye first the kingdom of God and his righteousness. And all these things will be added unto you. When shall it come? The kingdom of God cometh not by observation. They shall say, is neither low there. Behold, the kingdom of God is within you. And that kingdom is voice activated. So when you speak, people who are in a dark place, you will bring them out into the light. When you speak. Somebody's got a gun to their head. When you speak, they'll realize life is God's gift to me. And I'll. I live. My life is my gift to God. When you speak. Someone who's depressed and feeling anxious will remember, be anxious for nothing. I'll keep thee in perfect peace whose mind is stayed on thee. So that's the power that you bring and all the products that you have on YouTube that I've. I mean, how ironic. They said coincidence is God's way of staying anonymous. I've been so marinated listening to your stuff, and then you've been listening to me.

[Ed Mylett]

Come on.

[Les Brown]

What? Look at God. What a mighty God we Serve. Come on, you can't make this stuff up.

[Ed Mylett]

Very short intermission here, folks. I'm glad you're enjoying the show so far. Don't forget to follow the show on Apple and Spotify. Links are in the show notes. Now on to our next guest. Welcome back, everybody. My guest today played 12 years in the major leagues.

Let me just tell you something. He could flat mash. This dude could hit. I used to watch him going, that's the natural. He should call him the natural.

But then the more I got to.

Know his story, turns out it wasn't natural that he worked really hard to build this incredible swing three time all star. And I'm just telling you guys, any of you that know baseball, this dude could flat out hit.

But today we're going to talk about.

You know, you got someone here that played in the big leagues and the major leagues that long. There's a mental aspect to what they did and how they live and what they do now that got them there.

So we're going to talk about peak.

Performance today and overcoming adversity, all kinds of incredible stuff with Sean Casey. Casey, welcome to the show, brother.

[Sean Casey]

Thanks for having me on, dude. So fired up to be here.

[Ed Mylett]

Your humility level, you, I don't know, good guys never know they're good guys. Do you know what I mean?

Like, you're a good guy.

Like you got voted something, the award.

Of like the nicest dude in baseball.

[Sean Casey]

The friendliest player in baseball.

[Ed Mylett]

Yeah, like that type of thing. But do you, do you think your temperament, this is important.

Emotional control matters in everything.

Like I have found the people that last long term at things have a.

Level of emotional control that people that are flashes in the pan or just all out failing don't have.

Do you think your temperament, your, I.

Don'T know, your maybe possibly optimistic, friendly temperament helped you? Or do you, have you ever even thought about that before?

Because you're not like most people athletes.

You weren't when you played, even when you played. I remember other guys I knew that played like, dude, he's just Sean, he's a good dude.

You know what I mean? Like, do you think your temperament matters?

[Sean Casey]

What's funny was what was funny was I love first base because I could talk to, what's up, dude? I'm talking to, you know, talking to the umpires, first base coach. But I did in my mind think, like, when I get in that box.

[Ed Mylett]

Your face just changed.

[Sean Casey]

I'm gonna rip your head off. Yeah. Like, it was a weird, I don't mean that, like, you know, you know what I'm saying? I guess you just had to think that way. Of course, you know, you know, that's how. And that's how you thought. But, like, I do think. I do think the fact that, you know, there was a. That my positive attitude helped me through the struggles at times. You know, it helped me to. What? I. I would always look at the glass, glasses half full.

[Ed Mylett]

Right.

[Sean Casey]

Just would be like, okay. I remember when I was coming up in the minor leagues, people would say, hey, you're struggling, you're afraid. I remember this interview, and I was in Double A in Akron, and I used to tell myself, hey, the storm's coming. That's good. That's good. But the storm's coming.

[Ed Mylett]

Whatever I told.

[Sean Casey]

That was a little trick. It was a game I played with myself.

[Ed Mylett]

Very good.

[Sean Casey]

And I would just say, hey, the storm's coming. What do you mean? I was like, I'm coming.

[Ed Mylett]

Yeah.

[Sean Casey]

And I'm coming tomorrow. Whoever's well, so and so's on the mount.

[Jason Wilson]

Good.

[Sean Casey]

Cause I'm coming for him. You know what's interesting? Played those games with myself.

[Ed Mylett]

Now that I'm in your presence, you're a little.

You're more intense than I knew.

Meaning I knew that you were passionate, but like, your face changes multiple times.

When you talk about your dad. Your face changed.

You talked about that defining moment.

And when you just talked about that.

Yeah.

So there's a switch that you flip.

Part of baseball that's different than other sports is the duration of the season.

Right. It's a long grind. It's.

And it's.

By the way, you know, you play.

160 games, like 180 something days. Like, it's nuts. Right. Or whatever it is.

I don't know. Yeah.

[Sean Casey]

Yeah.

[Ed Mylett]

But it's a long season.

So I have to think the. I think baseball is the sport that could teach you the most lessons that apply to business because you do have to have some emotional control. Right?

You do have to. You can't get crazy high now. The postseason is different.

Like, if anyone's watching baseball right now, like, that's a.

It's almost a different game. Like the way the managers manage the.

Bullpen, everything's just heightened. Different pitches, getting guys on base runs. All these things are different.

But in general, the sport is a long season. It's not like the NFL.

There's 17 games forever.

There were 16 games. You got to peak those 16 games. That's it. So what's the.

What's the difference with the Emotional control.

In baseball that applies.

Do you think life or business?

[Sean Casey]

Well, I think. Well, the biggest thing is like, it's a one day at a time thing. It's a one pitch at a time thing. So, like, if I go out there and how you evaluate yourself at times, it can't be so result oriented that you're just fly off the handle. Right? So I could go out there and feel great and go, oh, for four. And like hit a couple balls hard, maybe get dominated, you know, those guys are good out there too. They're gonna dominate me some nights. I'm like, wow, what just happened there? But knowing that I'm playing the next night.

[Ed Mylett]

Yeah.

[Sean Casey]

That I got the process. I have. I'm gonna go one pitch at a time again, and I'm just gonna keep doing that. Night in and night out. Night in and night out. And I'm not gonna waste a pitch, right? And I think that's the biggest thing. I remember being at the all star game in 2004. I'm sitting in the Food Room, it's Mike Piazza, me and Scott Roland. Incredible. You know, every time you go to an All Star Game, you're like, muhammad Ali just come in. I'm like, hey, here's Muhammad Ali, you know, Barry Bonds, all these guys. And then you're like, george Bush came in to talk, hey, Mr. President, how you doing? Hey, Sean, how you doing? Yes, he knows my name. It was like another one of those moments, right? So we're sitting in the Food Room, bro, and it's like me, Piazza and Roland. Now, Scott Roland at the time is the third baseman for the Cardinals, and, and Pools is the best player in the game. You know, him and Bonds are the best players down, but. But Pools is, He's just different. How he hits the ball to right center. You know, he's hitting.350, but he's hitting 40 homers. It just, it was impressive. And I said, scott, what is it, man? What's the difference between Albert Pools and us? We're All Stars. Yeah, we're all here, but he's, he's a little bit better off of us. He goes, case, never seen anything like it. He goes, it could be nine nothing in the middle of July on a Tuesday night. He's in the.

[James Lawrence]

He's the last.

[Sean Casey]

He two outs in the ninth and he'll put together a 12 pitch at bat and then hit a bullet to right for a hit. Guy never wastes a pitch. He never wastes a pitch. And then I fast forward and you fast Forward you know, 20 years. And that was 2004, when he was three years in the big leagues. You fast forward it, just hit.700.

[James Lawrence]

It's unbelievable.

[Sean Casey]

He just hit.700. He's one of the greatest players ever. He's got, you know, over 3,000 hits. He's got 700 bombs, 700 doubles. And he looked, I think, back to that story, and I go, yeah, you kidding me?

[Ed Mylett]

Yeah. I go.

[Sean Casey]

The people that are at the top, they don't waste a pitch, they don't waste a call, they don't waste a morning not to work out. They don't make, you know, they're. They do it day in and day out. And their habits, their routines, their processes are at an elite level. And that's how you get our reports, and that's how you get Miguel Cabrera, and that's how you get some of these dudes. Mike Trout. They're just a little bit different than the guys at the All Star Game.

[Lewis Howes]

Yeah, that's crazy.

[Ed Mylett]

And you think about that, you guys, everyone who plays the sport, everyone who plays in high school, then plays some form of college ball, then the rookie ball, single A, double A, Triple A, gets to the big leagues, stays in the big leagues, Then a smaller group's an All Star, then a very smaller groups, a repeat All Star. And then you got guys that are like hall of Fame players. And that little difference, that little thing is what you just described. It's the fact that they don't waste days, they don't waste hours, they don't waste. They don't waste a minute.