Josh Duhamel: The One Shift That Rewired His Life After 50

Summary

Podcast Summary: "THE ED MYLETT SHOW"

Episode: Josh Duhamel: The One Shift That Rewired His Life After 50
Release Date: June 10, 2025
Host: Ed Mylett
Guest: James Caan
Network: Cumulus Podcast Network

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Introduction

In this compelling episode of The Ed Mylett Show, host Ed Mylett welcomes actor and wellness entrepreneur James Caan. The conversation delves deep into James's multifaceted career, his personal health journey, and the pivotal shifts that have enabled him to thrive both professionally and personally well into his 50s.

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Guest Introduction

Josh Duhamel’s Enthusiastic Welcome
Timestamp: [02:15]
Josh Duhamel sets the stage by expressing his admiration for James Caan, highlighting James's diverse acting portfolio—which includes iconic roles in films like Transformers and the TV show Las Vegas. Josh also praises James's recent project, Ransom Canyon on Netflix, which he and his wife have enthusiastically binge-watched.

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Career Longevity and Success

James Caan on Sustaining a Long-Lasting Career
Timestamp: [04:09]
James attributes his enduring presence in the entertainment industry to consistent effort and the timeless advice from his former manager, John Carabino: “Just keep showing up. Even if you're not 100%, you gotta keep showing up and good things will happen” (04:20). This relentless dedication has allowed James to transition seamlessly from acting to entrepreneurial ventures.

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Health and Hormone Therapy

The One Shift: Embracing TRT for Vitality After 50
Timestamp: [05:57]
James opens up about the challenges he faced post-45, including diminished energy and drive. Upon medical consultation, he discovered his hormone levels were declining. This realization led him to undergo Testosterone Replacement Therapy (TRT), a decision he initially hesitated to make due to societal stigmas surrounding men's health treatments. James shares:

“I think that’s part of the reason I wanted to get into this business was to share my experience, what, you know, how much it's helped me and to help improve other guys' lives around the world.” (06:21)

He encourages men to prioritize their health, introducing his platform Gatlin.com dedicated to men's wellness.

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Mental and Emotional Well-being

Balancing Physical Health with Mental Resilience
Timestamp: [09:18]
James emphasizes that maintaining physical health through regular workouts and yoga complements his emotional and mental well-being. He highlights the importance of open dialogues among men about their struggles, fostering a supportive community where vulnerability is accepted and encouraged.

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Leadership and Team Building

Creating a Growth-Oriented Environment
Timestamp: [13:33]
Discussing leadership, James draws parallels between his approach in filmmaking and business. He believes in making every team member feel essential and valued, thereby cultivating a motivated and cohesive team. This philosophy mirrors the insights shared by other legendary leaders like Michael Jordan, who combine innate talent with relentless work ethic.

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Parenting and Belief in Children

Instilling Confidence and Resilience in the Next Generation
Timestamp: [37:57]
James reflects on his upbringing, highlighting the crucial role his parents played in fostering his self-belief. He contrasts this with the pitfalls of overindulgence, advocating for teaching children the value of hard work and self-reliance. James mentions:

“It's not just about loving your child, they believed in you, and that was communicated to me. I think that became part of my mental mapping, even as a little boy, that I was a good boy. I was smart, I was special.” (37:57)

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Spirituality and Masculinity

Connecting Spiritually to Enhance Personal and Professional Life
Timestamp: [22:59]
The conversation explores the intersection of spirituality and personal energy. James shares how being spiritually connected elevates his interactions and leadership, making him more present and effective both on and off the screen. He states:

“I truly believe that it's important to stay connected. You don't have to be super religious. To me, it doesn't matter what religion you are, but if you're connected spiritually, you tend to operate on a higher vibration.” (23:58)

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Upcoming Projects and Team Culture

Behind the Scenes of Ransom Canyon
Timestamp: [44:15]
James provides insights into his latest project, Ransom Canyon, praising showrunner April Blair for fostering a supportive and creative environment. He underscores the importance of a positive team dynamic, free from egos and drama, which enables the cast and crew to perform at their best.

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Notable Quotes

• John Carabino’s Advice:
  “Just keep showing up. Even if you're not 100%, you gotta keep showing up and good things will happen.”
  — James Caan, 04:20

• On TRT and Personal Growth:
  “I think that’s part of the reason I wanted to get into this business was to share my experience, what, you know, how much it's helped me and to help improve other guys' lives around the world.”
  — James Caan, 06:21

• On Leadership:
  “If you make them feel like they have something that you need to help the whole thing rise up. It really helps.”
  — James Caan, 16:14

• On Spirituality and Energy:
  “I truly believe that it's important to stay connected. You don't have to be super religious... but if you're connected spiritually, you tend to operate on a higher vibration.”
  — James Caan, 23:58

• On Belief in Children:
  “They believed in you, and that was communicated to me. I think that became part of my mental mapping, even as a little boy, that I was a good boy. I was smart, I was special.”
  — James Caan, 37:57

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Conclusion

James Caan's candid discussion on The Ed Mylett Show offers listeners invaluable insights into achieving longevity in both career and personal life. By prioritizing health, fostering supportive relationships, and maintaining a growth-oriented mindset, James exemplifies how to navigate the challenges that come with aging while continuing to excel in one’s pursuits.

For those inspired by James's journey, visit Gatlin.com to explore resources on men's wellness and hormone therapy.

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Note: This summary selectively excludes promotional segments and advertisements interspersed within the full transcript to focus solely on the substantive content of the interview.

Transcript

[Ed Mylett]

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[Josh Duhamel]

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[Josh Duhamel]

This is the Ed Mylett Show. All right Everybody, welcome back to the show. I'm excited about today. I've been a fan of this guy for a long time, and I've been a fan of his act. Appeared in some small movies that you might have heard, like Transformers. One of my favorite TV shows of all time was Las Vegas. He's appeared in that and totally disconnected. To him being on the show, this has nothing new with him being here today. I've been watching Ransom Canyon on Netflix right now, which is his new program that's out there. My wife and I have binge watched, like, seven episodes in a row. It's really, really good, and he's outstanding at it. And so I've always wanted to pick his brain. Then I find out he's become a wellness entrepreneur, and so I want to pick his business brain on top of all of that. So it's really cool to have Josh Duhamel here today. Welcome to the show, brother.

[James Caan]

Yeah, that's very sweet of you. I'm glad to hear you're. You're, like, in Nansen Canyon, too.

[Josh Duhamel]

It's really good. Well, you're outstanding in it. I don't know about the first scene. It opens up with you in the shower there. That was a little weird to watch with my wife.

[James Caan]

Well, originally. Originally, that scene showed my bare ass.

[Josh Duhamel]

Okay, thank you.

[James Caan]

Maybe it's because I'm. I'm not sure why that. Maybe. Maybe it's sagging. I don't know. Maybe I need to do more squats, more squat thrusts. I'm not sure why.

[Josh Duhamel]

Hopefully the testosterone is helping you with that a little bit, at least help me. So. So let's start. Let's talk business first a little bit. We'll talk acting. By the way, my mom is an All My Children fan, so this is, like, a really special interview for her today. A lot of you don't know, but that's basically where this man got his start. Is that right? Was that like when your first big things was All My Children?

[James Caan]

Yeah. Yeah. That was my first real. My first real opportunity. Like, I was 20. I saw an old clip of that today. I'm doing some press here for Ransom Canyon in New York, and I saw an old clip from 2006. Wow. And, yeah, that was. That was. Those are the days on All My Children, back when I was 29, 30 years old.

[Josh Duhamel]

Is there any part of you that goes. I went from that to doing Transformers movies. So now I produced. And now. I mean, is there part of you that's kind of blown away by your longevity? I Mean, even that alone, I. I.

[James Caan]

Do feel very lucky, you know, and. And we could. We could talk about that. You know why that is? You know, a manager of mine, John Carabino, one of the, you know, my biggest advocates early on in my career and then all the way through. He's not in the business anymore, but he's an amazing dude. And he always said, just keep showing up. You know, just keep showing up. Even if you're not 100%, you gotta keep showing up and good things will happen. And that's really as simple as it is, I think. You know, as long as you just greet people with respect, work hard and do a good job and you'll keep working. I mean, it's. It's. It's. It's been good. I do feel lucky, for sure.

[Josh Duhamel]

Well, you know, but, yeah, in your business, it's pretty rare to have the length of career that you've had. I mean, it's. I mean, I've had a bunch of friends who have had one or two good movies or a good TV show, but then, like, you know, they run around Hollywood now, recognized sometimes, and it's a hard life when you were well known and then you're not, you know, and one of the reasons I want to have you on the team's like, hey, you know, he's like, become an entrepreneur on, like, longevity and health. And so it kind of ties everything together. I want to cover with you today, but I want to start with the business side of it, because everyone that you get interviewed by is going to start talking with Netflix and movies. I want to talk business first, then we'll go back there a little bit. When I turned 45, stuff on me started turning south. Like, you're talking about your booty, right? Like, everything with me, my energy level, my drive. And when I say drive, I mean my drive in every imaginable way started to kind of shift a little bit. And it's sort of like, you don't want to admit it as a dude. I'm in the gym every day. It's not like I wasn't working out. It wasn't like I wasn't eating pretty well, but just stuff started changing.

[James Caan]

Yeah.

[Josh Duhamel]

And I got tested and found out, you know, internally, I was an old. I was becoming an old man with my hormones.

[James Caan]

Yeah.

[Josh Duhamel]

Is that how you ended up? I want you to talk to him about Gatlin a little bit. And this is surprising that you're public about this, because a lot of guys in your space aren't going to give Any of their secrets away of how they've had longevity or still look like you look. So how did all this come to pass?

[James Caan]

Well, that's a really great way to sort of entree into this. I think that I was the same way. You know, I started feeling like I was apering off. You know, I just didn't have the same drive. I didn't, I couldn't keep muscle on. I was not, you know, I didn't have driving a lot of different areas of my life and I think that that was kind of where it began. I wanted to stay athletic, able to continue working and, and also the truth is I, I had kids at a late age. I had Axel when he was, you know, when I was 40 and I had, I have a 15 month old kid now and I just really, really wanted to stay as is. I want to get down in the dirt and roll around with them, you know, I want to be able to do the things that they deserve. It is a taboo thing guys don't want to talk about. Especially the, the trt that's a soft replacement therapy. I think that it's one of those things that guys for whatever they feel less manly, whatever the reason is, guys just don't talk about it. And I almost didn't do this for that reason really. I had some representatives of mine tell me not to do it. And the more I thought about, I was like, why not? Because this is improved my life tremendously. Guys were asking me what I was doing and I didn't want to talk about it until I just told them that I was eating really well and working out and. But the truth is I was, I was doing a TRT and I think that, you know, it's part of the reason I wanted to get into this business was to share my experience, what, you know, how much it's helped me and to help improve other guys lives around the world.

[Josh Duhamel]

And by the way, it's Gatlin, right? Is it, is there, is it Gatlin.com. where do they go?

[James Caan]

Gatlin.com. yeah. G A T L A N dot com.

[Josh Duhamel]

I have to be honest with you. It changed my life. It literally changed my life. Do you think somehow genetically you're weaker if your hormone levels are low? It's such a silly thing, right? So is that what you did? You got, got tested and then ended up doing trt? Just to be specific, if you don't mind.

[James Caan]

Yeah, yeah, I got, I got tested and my levels were low. They weren't super low, but they were Low enough to where it was. I could feel that it was affecting me, but I wanted to do it because I wanted to feel like I just wanted to get that. That oomph back that I. That I felt in my early 30s, late 20s, early 30s. And that's what I did. And you're right, it does. It really does change. It just changes your world.

[Josh Duhamel]

I wanted to make sure I asked you this when we were talking about the physical. You've had a long career, and actually you're thriving now. You could argue more than ever between the new show, plus, plus the fact that you're producing, you know, these buddy games, all this stuff you've done, which, by the way, is hilarious. That is so good. But ransom, like what. How much of this longevity and hitting your prime in your 40s and 50s, because it was kind of our demo is not just physical. It's mental and emotional for you. And are there things you do to feed yourself mentally and emotionally like that? Are your hacks at your level?

[James Caan]

Yeah. Really good question. You know, part of what we do at Gatlin, too, is it's not just about prescribing things. You can get all kinds of and things, whether it's longevity stacks or GLP1, testosterone or hair replacement ED, whatever. But our whole mantra is that, yeah, you can take that stuff, but you also have to change your habits a bit, too. You've got to still work hard. I mean, you. You clearly work your ass off in the gym. I eat pretty well. I work out pretty regularly. Not as hard as I probably could or should, but I am pretty regimented about it. I do yoga, which is really helpful for both my flexibility, my core, and my mind.

[Josh Duhamel]

Yep, I just started that, too.

[James Caan]

Yeah, it's amazing. And then, you know, I. I'm not afraid to. I have a group of guys that I talk to regularly about stuff that guys don't usually talk about. And I think that that's one thing that we want to make okay in. In the male population, too, that it's okay to talk about this stuff, because we deal with stuff that. That a lot of times we sort of push down.

[Josh Duhamel]

You mean you got. You got some dudes? Is that what you mean? Where you can go, hey, I'm going through something? Or do you actually have, like, a group you guys meet regularly or.

[James Caan]

Yeah, it's like. It's like a group of guys that get together and talk about stuff. It's been really helpful, and it's changed my world in a lot of ways just because, you know, for my relationships, my. My. My ability to be a friend, to be a dad, all those kinds of things.

[Josh Duhamel]

So the Taco Bell thing's been dropped or not? Like, I do my research on people. So if this thing where you were, like, totally into Taco Bell for a while and talking about it, have you dropped that or is, like, the testosterone power through the Taco Bell.

[James Caan]

You know, Joe Kaczynski directed those. The guy that. The Top Gun maverick. Yep, they were really well directed. I mean, this guy is super talented, even at Taco Bell commercial. But, yeah, I'm not afraid to eat some Taco Bell once in a while.

[Josh Duhamel]

I think that's really important that people know that when people meet my kids in public, they'll be like, so what's your dad like? You know, he never sleeps. He's. They're like, he's actually, you know, you know, likes Netflix, lays on his back, eats Doritos, but at the same time has this discipline part of his life as well.

[James Caan]

So everything in moderation, including moderation.

[Josh Duhamel]

I love that. I totally love that. I don't want you to be humble for a minute. Like, you can't last as long as you've lasted in the business you're in. I'm gonna give you a secret. I ask around about guys that are going to be on my show. So I have a bunch of friends in the business, and one of the things they all tell me is, like, he's actually a genuinely wonderful guy. Like, he treats people great. He shows up on time. He's really good at what he does. So I've heard these things about you. Right. So that's baseline to me, though. What are you great at? Like, don't be humble. What? People listen. It's like, I want to be elite in my career as well, and you're real humble, dude. But don't be for a second. What. What's your secret thing? Like, what are you great at that's made you. I mean, you've had a career that's, you know, what, three decades out now or four. I don't know. Three decades, I guess. Three decades. So. So what is it?

[James Caan]

Honestly, man, I feel like I've always had to really outwork everybody because for the longest time, I didn't feel like I belonged in this business. I had to, like, really go to places, you know, whether in the acting, Stu, especially for, like, scenes that required you to go dark, I would go there. I'd really go there. And it probably wasn't the most healthy thing, but I think in retrospect, it was kind of therapeutic and cathartic in a way because I worked through some stuff. I always had to work, feel like if I had to work harder, I let myself be emotionally accessible. I guess that was one thing I had to really, I knew that I always could do it. When I first got into this business, I knew I had the ability to do was just getting past the fear of looking stupid, the fear of embarrassing myself. And when I got past the point of not caring what people thought and, and was okay with looking stupid is when I really sort of broke through. And I've always kind of stuck with that and then just be just like I, I don't know. Honestly I just. As far as the acting stuff, I think that's what it is. And I'm, and I, and honestly I feel like I've, I really don't feel like I've made it. I feel like I'm still having to grind. I still have to grind every day.

[Josh Duhamel]

I'm lucky that I, I do coaching too. And so I just signed somebody who used to run a country, a pretty big one, I'll leave it at that. I'm never going to say the gender but anyway, this person and I, the first conversation, they ran a large country like a very important one and they said to me, I still don't feel like I've made it. And I thought that is such a unique thing in people that are successful that they end up, they have this nuance and I think you have it. I want to ask you about this and I like this in my friends, they have confidence. They're not, they have self confidence because if someone doesn't have self confidence you're going to be carrying them through their entire life. You got to have some level of self confidence but they have this equal measure of humility and they kind of toe this line. So people with no confidence don't end up ever achieving anything because you're going to get what you believe you're capable of. But people with no humility end up not working as hard, taking things for granted, treating people a particular way. Does that make sense when I say it out loud to you? The humility thing with the confidence and if you're being honest about you. Is that a decent description?

[James Caan]

Yeah, for sure. I mean I have a lot of sort of anecdotes that, that, that back that up. I mean the great ones like Michael Jordan or the other ones, they have this unique God given talent but they don't just rely on that. They also have this. This. I don't know if it's ego driven or what it is that forces them to have. They feel like they gotta. They gotta keep working. They got it. And that combination, I think, is what makes guys like that great. My dad's always been really, without even meaning to, has been really influential, very wise in a lot of ways. And he put it in a very simple way.

[Josh Duhamel]

He said, same with my.

[James Caan]

I remember he just said to me one time, because we used to have this used car dealership on Broadway in Minot, North Dakota, where I grew up. And next door to that was the last house on Broadway. They were sort of tearing everything down and building new things that were going to be on this, on the main street in town. But this old guy was the last holdout and he has a really was a shack of a house. And I asked him, is he poor? And my dad said, no, he's not poor. He's rich because he's a good human who treats people right. And, and I'll never forget that. I don't know if those are his words exactly, but it was. He was rich because he didn't. Not because he had all the material things, but because of the way he lived his life. And I think that's really stuck with me. And so when I'm on a set, you know, I. I don't care who you are, if you're the. If you're the network president or if you're a PA who's just starting. They still. I still treat them all the same.

[Ed Mylett]

Yeah.

[James Caan]

And I think that that's really helped me because I think that they are. People always deserve that, you know, human respect and dignity.

[Josh Duhamel]

By the way, that's what I hear about you. Obviously, you're a great actor. You can't go this long without being great. You have to be great at it. But there's a lot of people that are great. By the way, I just heard a Jordan thing. You get a kick out of this. So everyone knows the story that he was cut from his high school team and all that stuff, right? Whether that's even accurate or not, I'm not even completely true. It's hard for me to believe Michael Jordan couldn't make his high school JV basketball team, but that's the story. But a story that I know to be TR because his trainer, Grover, is a good friend of mine. Did you know that the entire time he was with the Bulls, he never lost a sprint in practice? So he was that big of a freak about competing and, and you know, a lot of the guys don't even want to practice. Right. They're this level anymore. Not only does he have practice when they'd run sprints, he made sure he won every sprint. That was every year. He was a bull. No one beat him in sprints. Just want everyone to hear that about. That's the little secret stuff behind the scene of greatness, I think.

[James Caan]

Yeah. And it's just pure work, you know? Yeah. And I think that's, I hear that's why he's so great. So.

[Ed Mylett]

Hey guys, I want to jump in here for a second and talk about change and growth. And you know, by the way, it's no secret how people get ahead in life or how they grow. And also taking a look at the future, if you want to change your future, you got to change the things you're doing. If you continue to do the same things, you're probably going to produce the same results. But if you get into a new environment where you're learning new things and you're around other people that are growth oriented, you're much more likely to do that yourself. And that's why I love Growth Day. Write this down for a second. Growthday.com forward/ed. My friend Brendan Burchard has created the most incredible personal development and business app that I've ever seen in my life. Everything from goal setting software to personal accountability, journaling courses, thousands of dollars worth of courses in there as well. I create content in there on Mondays where I contribute as do a whole bunch of other influences like the Avengers of influencers and business minds in there. It's the Netflix for high achievers or people that want to be high achievers. So go check it out. My friend Brennan's made it very affordable, very easy to get involved. Go to growthday.com forward/ed. That's growthday.com forward slash ed. It's no secret on the show I've been talking now for a few years, I'm sort of obsessed with sleep. And the reason I'm obsessed with sleep is it affects your hrv, which is one of the most important health metrics in the world, but also life longevity. But every anti aging expert I've had on says the number one thing that will be a determinant in the longevity of your life in their mind, sleep. Plus it affects your energy level, your cognition, fat burning, you name it. And now I have found Helix, which has helped me tremendously. Number one thing that was affecting my sleep was my back pain and I wasn't sleeping through the night. I was getting too hot at night. Can't dial the temperature in, in the room. And so Helix has changed all of that. If you check out Helix, I think you'll agree with me that your sleep is going to improve. Best mattress on the planet with all of the bells and whistles attached to it. It's designed for your sleep. Go to helixsleep.com 27% off site wide. That's helixsleep.com ED for 27 off site wide. Helixsleep.com forward/ed. Today's show is sponsored by Strawberry Me. So you know this. I'm a big believer in coaching, especially when it's from a reliable source. And I think most people should have some interaction with somebody who's helping them get better in their life. So if you're waking up every day and you know you're capable of a little bit more, but you're not really sure how to get there. Listen, success doesn't just happen. Most successful people in the world don't figure it out on their own. They have a coach, they have mentors, they got coaches. They have people guiding them every step of the way. That's where Strawberry me personal coaching comes in. You'll identify your obstacles that are holding you back. You'll develop a step by step plan, take action and confidence. You can be held accountable if you want to, knowing you have a dedicated support staff, a coach behind you every step of the way instead of relying on guesswork or waiting for the right time. I've had a personal coach for a long time and it's helped me tremendously in my life. You know, I love that Chinese proverb.

[Josh Duhamel]

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[Ed Mylett]

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[Josh Duhamel]

Did you work with anyone like that? Anybody you've worked with like in your career that we would know? You're like, let me tell you behind the scenes this person, he or she is. And that's not at the elimination of others, by the way. It's just who comes to mind. Something you modeled or you saw when you were younger, Anyone you've worked with?

[James Caan]

I mean, Wahlberg is a pretty good example of that.

[Josh Duhamel]

Walberg.

[James Caan]

Wahlberg doesn't stop. He's the bed early and up super early every day. That's the one that comes to mind. You know, there's all the guys that I've worked with early. They all have this really specific sort of attention to detail thing that they do. And I, you know, I, there's a lot of that I need to work on too. You know, I could be better about, you know, I could, I could do more, I really could. But you know, I'm, I'm doing the best I can and you know, but I look at guys like that, it's like, wow, I don't know if I could go to bed at 7:30 and wake up at 3:30 every day.

[Josh Duhamel]

Yeah, he does.

[James Caan]

That's another level, man. And that's what he does.

[Josh Duhamel]

Yeah. So by the way, it's actually true. Our, our daughters are roommates and so.

[James Caan]

Oh, really? Your daughter and his daughter?

[Josh Duhamel]

Yeah, it's actually very, it's very true. Like, it's, you're right though, by the way, because it's like I'm sort of known as a disciplined workout guy or whatever in business and then like really not because I ain't up at 3:30 doing that crap that he's doing. It's like unbelievable. So it's one of the names that comes to mind for me too. Same person.

[James Caan]

Yeah.

[Josh Duhamel]

I, I don't want to be too personal, but I do want to ask you, since you brought Mark up, here's what I try to do when I have somebody on like you. And I know there's not anyone specifically like you, but like I want to, I want the audience to go, okay, I'm not an act. I'm not whatever you are, six three or whatever. I'm not like classically good looking, whatever it is. But what are the elements, what are the things in play, like what's the recipe that makes somebody successful? And so I try to pick those things out and what I find with people that are in your profession, a lot of the times they have a hard time telling me like they just do things unconsciously. Well, they're like. And because you're great at something, you take it for granted. Well, you know, I work hard, I guess I'm pretty good at this. But like, so you take it for granted because it's something you've lived with for so long. You've said before, you know, you're a father, there's humility that you carry with you. Mark's very public about his Catholic faith. And I don't, we don't go deep into your faith, but I just want to know faith in general, in your life, how important has that been to keep you grounded and have some humility and Is that a place you go to for some answers in those dark times that you referenced?

[James Caan]

Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah, for sure. And I find that there's a direct correlation between how connected I am spiritually and how I'm operating out in the real world. You know, if I'm really connected and I'll go through phases sometimes I'm a lot more connected and I'm just a better dad, I'm a better friend, I'm a better brother, I'm better coach. And when I'm not, I can feel it. And that's when I feel like. That's why I truly believe that it's important to stay connected. You don't have to be super religious. To me, it doesn't matter what religion you are, but if you're connected spiritually, you tend to operate on a higher vibration, you know, And I guess there's something. There's something. There's some. There's that the energy about that, I think is what is attractive to people. And I know that when I'm connected spiritually, I'm a lot more attractive and a lot more easy to be with and to work with. And to, you know, that to me is. I think, is. Is what it is.

[Josh Duhamel]

I. Brother, I. Just an hour ago, I was doing a show that's mine, my solo episode, and I said that exact sentence. I said, it's a high. It's. It's a higher vibrational frequency. Because a lot of times when you're, what, religious or you believe in a particular faith, like it's. You're not supposed to talk about frequencies.

[Ed Mylett]

And energy and all this other stuff. You're supposed to just be in like.

[Josh Duhamel]

Your Bible or whatever, your. Your Quran or whatever it is. I actually kind of navigate both worlds. I'm a person of really deep faith. I'm a Christian.

[Ed Mylett]

But I actually.

[Josh Duhamel]

Energy is obvious. I think the reason you're successful and I think the reason most people are successful and it's. The reason it's so hard to quantify and define, is that there's a particular energy they bring to the things they do. And you feel something when you're in your presence. You feel something when you work with them. And in your case, it's a unique thing, very special thing that you have that you can transfer energy through a camera. That's extremely special that not everybody can do that. Some people, it's lost. You know, they only have it one on one, or they can have it in big groups, but not one on one. You've met people like that, that are these great singers in front of big arenas. You meet them one on one and you don't feel the same thing.

[James Caan]

Yeah.

[Josh Duhamel]

And then where you're unique, I think it's the energy that most people bring. And if I were to mention people that you admire in your life, I bet you maybe I'm wrong. I bet you it was like what you felt when you were in their presence or when you watched them perform. It's the energy that's the frequency.

[James Caan]

Yeah, that's so. That's so fascinating. I love this stuff because it is. You're right, it is. It is a spiritual thing and it is something that's sort of undefined. That's why they call it faith. But I also like to look at it scientifically too because there is something real about the energy that you, that you. That you. That you give. If you're connected spiritually because it sort of goes through you and people feel that, you know, I'm not perfect about it, believe me, I need. I have go through phases where I'm hardly connected at all. And sometimes I really am. That's why it's just such a great reminder that, you know, whatever your higher power is, stay connected to that because, you know, it's a lot. So the world's a lot safer place when you're connected.

[Josh Duhamel]

Amen. By the way, everyone, everyone listening, like really evaluate that part of yourself. You're always making people feel something.

[Ed Mylett]

You are.

[Josh Duhamel]

So if you're more intentional about what it is. Like, like I. I'm pretty good at energy. Like speaking. I speak on big stages. 20, 30, 000 people. I can transmit energy to a room. I don't know if I'm as good one on one. I'm pretty good at this thing we're doing. You obviously, you're great at the way you treat people around you. As you said, whether that's the grip or that's the leading actor. But you also have a unique skill that you can bring energy through a camera into someone sitting in a crowd or in their home. That's unique energy. A great school teacher can do it in front of a classroom. A painter does it when they paint. You know, there's different ways that you can do this in your life, but it's. If you're cognizant on the energy you bring to something, you're going to be. By the way, you said scientific. This will trip people out. Were you a biology major? Yeah. That. You do not look or sound like a biology major to me. Not that I know what that looks or sounds like, but, like, it trips me out.

[James Caan]

I, I was, I, I, it was not an easy path. You know, it took organic chemistry twice. There was a few, there's a few that I stumbled on. But yeah, I made it through. And I think that this is true. And I talk about this a lot too, you know.

[Josh Duhamel]

Yeah.

[James Caan]

I have a biology degree and I don't use it, but I got it. And I think that, I think that and I tell, I tell my son this too. And I want to talk. I have a question for you about your kids, too. It doesn't matter. I mean, ideally, if you're going to go spend that money and get your degree, you want to use it out there in the real world. But the real, I think the real thing is with getting a, you know, that degree, and you don't need it to go be super successful. But if you're going to start it, you should finish it, because if you don't, that might be your habit. Going forward is not starting something and not finishing it. It's going to be toug, you know. And let me. Can I ask you a question really quick about your kids?

[Josh Duhamel]

Yeah, please.

[James Caan]

How many do you have?

[Josh Duhamel]

I have two. I've got a boy and a girl. They're one's out of school and playing golf and in business and the other one's in college.

[James Caan]

So let me ask you this. As a successful guy, did you, what do you, what was your upbringing?

[Josh Duhamel]

Did you grow up lower middle, alcoholic dad who got recovery, who got sober. So lower middle class and definitely a little trauma in my upbringing, but a great dad once he got sober.

[James Caan]

That's. Isn't that amazing?

[Josh Duhamel]

Yeah. Yeah.

[James Caan]

So. Right. Is an amazing thing. So how do you pass on the things that you had to learn to your kids? Because we worked so hard to give our kids what we didn't have.

[Josh Duhamel]

Yeah.

[James Caan]

I'm not sure we're doing them any favors.

[Josh Duhamel]

Yep.

[James Caan]

Because they're not having to go through the same kind of struggle that we did. But you can't just manufacture that struggle either.

[Josh Duhamel]

It's such, it's the rub of having a little bit of success in your life. It's the hardest thing. And I've, I, when I was young, I'd ask my buddies this. I remember my daughter came out of, I think it was second grade one day I picked her up from second grade and she gets in the car and she just looks surprised. I said, what's going on, honey? And she goes, daddy, are we rich? And I said, why would you ask for that? She said, well, all the kids in school say that we're, we're really rich. And I go, oh, I don't know, how much money do you have? She goes, she goes, I have like $3. I go, well, you're definitely not rich.

[Ed Mylett]

I don't know if I am or.

[Josh Duhamel]

Not, but I know you're not. But I, but I did stuff like, you know what I believe as a dad, and I believe this is a leader in anything. Like most stuff is caught, not taught.

[James Caan]

Yeah.

[Josh Duhamel]

Like the way you described your dad earlier, you can't even quite remember the exact words. It's just like I watched my dad's example, I watched how he treated people. I watched what my dad valued. So my kids, even though, you know, one of the things I really admire about you is you've kept going, you know, I'm sure they paid you pretty well for these Transformers movies, right? And so one of the things that, you know, I, I remember I could have probably stopped working a little bit more when my kids were young. And I'm like, no, they're gonna model what I do now, not what I did before they were born. I want them to see what work looks like, what time I'm up in the morning, how I handle my life, that I actually travel and work and that I help people because I want them to catch these things. The other thing is like I, you know, I made them buy their own first cars. Like I actually tried to fabricate a struggle, so to speak, because you're my number one. We're off the horse here a little bit, but I will say this to you. The number one thing of my friends that get to our age or a little bit older that harms them in their life is their screwed up adult kids. Screwed up adult kids that they end up having. So they gotta, they put together, they finally get to 50 or 60. Man, I got a couple bucks, I'm, I belong to a country club, I got a good car, I got a lake house or whatever. And I'm like, well, what's the worries in your Life?

[James Caan]

Life?

[Josh Duhamel]

My 28 year old son, my 26 year old alcoholic addict, you know, like, so it's like this thing you do with kids at this age really does matter. And, and then obviously you got to have a great mom, which I'm sure in your case you have the mom part, like made my life easy, I was decent, I had a great mom raising mine. So that's, that's literally what worked for me the other Thing I want to ask you about, because we only have limited time. It seems to me like you. I mean, you guys go from North Dakota. I remember the first time I saw you on the Vegas show. I'm like, ah, Stu's like a. Some Hollywood dude. Son, for sure, kind of tell what he looks like. This dude is clearly somebody's kid. He's silver spoon. I mean, I literally thought that for a long time about you until I read. No, actually, North Dakota, that's just not like a hotbed of Hollywood actors coming out of North Dakota.

[Ed Mylett]

Right.

[Josh Duhamel]

And. And so I, I wonder, you know, about you, like, how that kind of shaped your upbringing. But then also, you know, like, if I met that guy in North Dakota, what did he think was, like, masculine or a dude, like at that time of his life, even 20s or 30s. And then compare that to now, like what you think a man is or what masculinity is. And is there a contrast, do you believe something completely different now?

[James Caan]

Wow. It's such a good question, Ed. You're making me think here.

[Josh Duhamel]

I'm doing that.

[James Caan]

It's, it's. It's. It, it is. Because we're. We're asked this a lot now. I mean, we've been challenged about what, what it is to be a man, you know, And I think that there's been a big pushback as to what we were told we're supposed to be and what men are actually being like. No, this is what we are. You know, I think that there's a. But there's a. There's. There's something that we can learn in that too. And that, for me, it's a lot about what you talked about and how. It's about the example you set. It is okay to be the masculine energy in a relationship or to your kids, because I, like you said, the mothers are important, but those dads are important too. You know, a kid without a. Without a father figure is. They'll astray real quick. Whether a boy or girl. It's okay to have different roles in, in. In. In the world. This is kind of what we. We. We are biologically. And so to me, a man is somebody who, who. Who does what he's. What he says he's going to do. Somebody who shows up, somebody who. I don't know. I just feel like it's. It. To me, it's just about being that, that, that. That pillar in whatever your situation is. Because there's a lot of people that are depending on you. And it's the same for Women. Women have just as much responsibility as we do. It's just a little bit different. And has that changed over time? I don't think so. As much as they try to tell us it has. I don't think so. I think that we're, we'd be idiots if we didn't learn from it and evolve. Yeah. Because I do think there's a lot that we can learn because a guy from the 60s is probably, probably not as evolved as a guy from now. But it doesn't change those, those core pillars that we. You got to have in order to be a good father, a good businessman, a good friend, co worker, brother, whatever it is.

[Josh Duhamel]

I think part of it for me is like, and I'm not embarrassed to say this, like, I have a intuition. I'm supposed to protect people and my family. And to me, a masculine man to some extent is capable of doing that, but is gentle at the same time. And I'm truly not trying to be a cornball when I say, like, I sort of admire those traits in men that I see even from a distance. And, and I'd say this as someone who doesn't know you until today, but like, from a distance, you strike me as that guy, like a dude who's protecting and strong and a big dude and masculine, but at the same time vulnerable and kind and gentle and a generous person. I. I hope I'm right about that. Anyway, you strike me that way.

[James Caan]

Try to be. I try to be.

[Josh Duhamel]

Let's pick apart a couple last things here.

[Ed Mylett]

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[Josh Duhamel]

Think about my dad. I don't. It really hit me and I, I've always wondered like, how I grew up. Like, I do have kind of a quiet belief in myself. Even though I'm shy to this day, I'm introverted. Like, I'll get room service if I can. When I'm on the road, I, I, I'm on in front of groups of people, I'm, you know, extroverted, but privately I'm not. And there's nothing about me growing up that I should have had any of this confidence. And I'm like, you know, where did this come from? And I thought about it for a minute. This is just good for parents or, or, you know, the one thing I think most parents love their kids, I think it's just innate. Especially, you know, we just love our children. But there's a big difference between loving your child and believing in them. And I had a real sense that my mom and my dad, like, believed in me, and that was communicated to me. And I think that became part of my mental mapping, even as a little boy, that I was a good boy. I was smart, I was special. I worked, worked hard. And I think I've been able to carry that mind belief that. That map all through my life, even through adversity. When you think of your dad or mom, like, is that part of, like, maybe your ingredient? Like, they. They didn't just love you, they believed in you. And that's different.

[James Caan]

So it's such a great point. Yeah. And I didn't. That just dawned on me too. And he said it because my mom. I mean, my parents both were very different in how they raised. My mom was very much about structured discipline. It was like, achieve, achieve, achieve. My dad was like. My mom was terrified when I was moving to California. She's like, what are you doing? You're gonna be a doctor? My dad's like, no, no. Go get him, kid. Go get him. It was never an over. I mean, we were raised in the. In the 80s and 90s, man. There was not nearly as much supervision as there was then and was not a supervisor. He was a great example. I watched and I learned a lot from him. But he was really a guy who really just said, you believed in me, you know, And. And I think you're right. It's so true. Because it almost gives you permission to go out and achieve, then to. To go succeed if they. If you've got that behind you, the belief, you know?

[Ed Mylett]

Yeah.

[Josh Duhamel]

You know, what made me think about it was the people who give their kids everything. I think part of that can be. It can. It can say to them unsaid, like, I need to help you with everything because I really don't believe in you, or I need to intervene every time you get in a fight at school, you know, And I think. I think. And then there's the parents who are just. They're oblivious to the fact. They just don't ever pour belief into their child. So you leave your child, leaves your home with a good education or. And I don't think this just applies to children. I think it applies to being an entrepreneur. And the people that you work with, they know you care about. Do you believe in me? Yeah. And specifically, what do you believe in? Like, you think I'm so great. What's great about me. Can you tell me what it is? Because I think when you find that thing in somebody, like, I believe in this and you tell them it and they intuitively kind of know, yeah, that is true about me. You've really hardwired them for having some backbone in their life or in their business or even current day. And anyway, I just. Just my reflection on what I think about my family.

[James Caan]

That's a great point. Even not just as a parent, but as a guy who, who runs a company like you do. You know, I just directed a movie in, in London called Preschool and I learned this. This is my third movie that I've directed and I learned it on the first one, the Buddy. The first Buddy Games movie is that I was terrified because I didn't. I didn't feel like I was ready. I was always. I always wanted to do it. Felt like I could, but didn't think I knew enough. But I knew enough to know that I didn't have to know everything. And that if I surrounded myself with. With really, really talented people, I could lean on them and I would let them know how much I need them. And the more I let them know how much I needed and appreciated how, you know, what they're, you know, whether your art department or your, your, the, A camera or your wardrobe, costumes, whatever it is, I, I give them a directive and I let them go be the artists that they are. And everybody felt liberated to go like, do a great job. And I think that that's what every. We created like this great team and I've done it this, this last one, the same thing. Everybody feels like they're not just operating in fear of losing their job and just the very minimal they can to keep their job and just be quiet. They're a real part of this thing that we're building, you know, And I think that, that, you know, whether it's. Whether it's with your kids or with the people that you're working with, if you make them feel like they have something that you need to help the whole thing rise up. Yeah, it really helps.

[Josh Duhamel]

Yeah. Amen. I hope you hold on to that because you're going to be obviously producing a bunch more stuff. I was just. This is such a bizarre interview for me because you're saying things that like, literally have just come out of my mouth recently. I gave a talk last weekend. I've sort of become like halfway obsessed, fascinated with Steve Jobs the last few years. I don't even know why. Maybe because he's Hammer, you Know, you could argue he might be the most influential entrepreneur of the last hundred years, right? He might be. And so I've got to know Wozniak, the guy that he co founded the company with, pretty well, and Cook, who's the current CEO there, I serve on a board with him. And ironically, we're neighbors in La Quinta. I've asked a lot about him and I said, what's something about him that I wouldn't know? And he goes, oh, I'll tell you one thing. He constantly told me how much he needed me. That was Steve Jobs. Think, I need you. I need you. I need you. And I just found this recent clip of him rolling out like the iPhone and saying, we don't even know what.

[Ed Mylett]

This thing is yet.

[Josh Duhamel]

And he's talking to the whole company. I need you. Most leaders aren't willing to say that because I think it makes them look weak. And so it's a really profound point you just made about. And it enrolls people like, oh, I. I'm not only allowed here, I belong here.

[James Caan]

And that gives them purpose. Everybody feels like they have purpose and they're contributing and they're needed. I mean, you. Then you gotta. Then you got a whole army of people that all have the same sort of unilateral vision for something that's so good.

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[Josh Duhamel]

Speaking of that, did you have that on? Be honest. Did you have that on Ransom Canyon when you shot it. Like, you guys, I, I've been honest with you. If you got net. First off, it's. I don't know. My producer sent it to me today. It's got like some billion, trillion downloads already. It's like blowing up. Right? I don't, I don't, I don't know what the number was, but it's insane how well it's doing. Like insane. But did you have that environment on that set and then tell everybody about a little bit. Like, I'm really enjoying watching this, you guys. Like, I, it's my type of show. Even the scenery, the backdrop, the way it's shot. I really, I really think it's beautifully done. But go ahead and tell us a little bit about it and if you had that environment there or. No.

[James Caan]

Yeah, we did. It was April Blair's the showrunner. First of all, Netflix has been a great sort of, you know, company to work for to let us go make this show. They've been awesome. April Blair, who's the showrunner, also does an amazing job of what we just talked about is making everybody feel needed and wanted and appreciated. And she, you know, she, she, she's very talented herself. She hired a great group of writers, cast a bunch of really talented and eager, like minded actors who all wanted to be there and really, really were into it for the right reasons. These, the kids on this show are just, I call them kids, they're young adults, but just a really good group. And I think that it was her, it was, you know, as, as I guess the old guy on the show. It's on me. And Mink is great too. Mink is really, really nice presence to have on a show because she's not, not. There's no, there's no drama. And so I think that as the older ones on the show setting that example, allow it, you know, because if you're not, and I've been in situations like this, if you, if the director, if the showrunner or if, you know, the lead actor is insecure and ego maniacal or drama, it, it just, it just trickles down. Then everybody sort of, it gives everybody permission to behave that way.

[Josh Duhamel]

Yeah. Lower the frequency of the whole operation.

[James Caan]

Right. And I think that we had a really, really good. One of, one of the better situations I've been in, you know, because the, the people really were, it was, it was a really good group of people and the show and I think the show shows because you can, you can.

[Josh Duhamel]

Feel that you do, by the way, I think the guy who plays your dad is excellent. And. And by the way, everybody, it's 2.6 billion streams already.

[James Caan]

Just to correct. It's minutes. It's not. I wish it were streams. It's. It's minutes. So they. They go by minutes.

[Josh Duhamel]

Okay.

[James Caan]

Watched. But even that was impressive because I think the second closest one was 500 million. So we're like 2 billion minutes. I don't know what all that means. I mean, it means.

[Josh Duhamel]

I think it means a lot.

[James Caan]

I'm pretty sure it does. But I think what they really look at is completion rate. They want people to watch it.

[Josh Duhamel]

Yep.

[James Caan]

Lead it. Their algorithms. That's really what they look at.

[Josh Duhamel]

Yeah. You mean finish the episodes. Yeah.

[James Caan]

They want people to finish the entire series.

[Josh Duhamel]

Yep. Yep. Well, I'll help you with that. I'll help you with that because I'm finished it. I'll probably finish it tonight.

[James Caan]

Really?

[Josh Duhamel]

Really, you guys, it's really, really good. I want you. The next time you have a big project come out, come back on. We'll do this together in LA and, like, we'll do this in person. I. I really like you. I really enjoy your time.

[James Caan]

Appreciate that. I feel the same, Ed.

[Josh Duhamel]

Yeah. I really do. Okay. I gotta ask you about somebody. I'm a huge Godfather fan. I am not gonna interview you and not ask you about James Khan. I have to. You got to give me a story. Even if he's a bad dude, I gotta. Is he. Tell me a Jimmy Khan story? Something about this dude that. An anecdote or what? He was like, at least, like, what type of a dude was James Khan?

[James Caan]

Rest in peace. Jimmy Khan. God, he was such a character, man, I loved him. He was. He was tough on me in the beginning, really. He was. But. But in a. In a. In a constructive way, you know, it was. I always knew that I was not delivering. We'd be in a scene, he'd be like. He'd be like, hey, come here, kid. Come over here. And I'd be like, oh, God, here we go. And he. And he. He'd give me advice, you know, on. On if I'm pushing too hard or if I'm, you know, just whatever. He would give me acting advice I, to this day, appreciate. He's one of those guys that operates. He would tell me. He's like, do as I do, as I say, not as I do. Because he was that guy.

[Josh Duhamel]

Had.

[James Caan]

That guy lived a life and made a lot of mistakes, but he was such a genuinely caring and present. Very present. He's Always. He's always on set. He's always creating some kind of, you know, chaos of some sort. Like his writers, they. Or this guy is a. I. I gave that guy his opera. Oh. It's always something.

[Josh Duhamel]

Yep.

[James Caan]

So he operates. So he was like that kind of guy who needed.

[Josh Duhamel]

Who.

[James Caan]

Who, like, operated best with. In sort of a chaos.

[Josh Duhamel]

Yeah, I know a guy leading. I know a guy leading the country that reminds me of that sometimes.

[James Caan]

So he was. So that was. That was Jimmy, you know, And I'd go to him, like, on a, you know, first date or. I had, like, a. I remember asking him one time about if he'd ever worked with Brando, and he looks at me and like, are you stupid? You did not call the Godfather. I was like, oh.

[Josh Duhamel]

Are you freaking serious?

[James Caan]

You asked James at the time. I didn't make the connection. Oh, my God.

[Josh Duhamel]

That's awesome, man. I gotta tell you, I enjoyed today a great deal. Like, this is the end of my day, and it, like, made my day. I really enjoyed the time today. If there's anything I can ever do for you or help you with anything, I'm right here. I just want you to know that.

[James Caan]

I appreciate that, Ed. Likewise. If I can ever help you with anything, I don't want to eat it.

[Josh Duhamel]

But I probably will. By the way. Everybody go follow up with him at Gatlin. You dudes go get your labs done. Will you please do that? Will you please be healthy? Will you please look into it? It may not be TRT like he said. Maybe it's a GLP one. Maybe it's just Nutri. It's supplements that you need. Who the heck knows? Maybe they'll find something you really need to know about.

[Progressive Insurance]

So.

[Josh Duhamel]

So please go do that and go check out Ransom. Ransom Canyon's really good, you guys on Netflix. And he's humble. He carries it like he's that dude we're watching the other night. I'll tell you one last compliment. I'm sick of complimenting you. No, here's what you have. Some people jump off the camera a little bit more than others. They just. You find yourself wanting to watch more of them. I think, like, Tom Cruise has that to me. I don't know if he's the best actor ever, but, like, there's something about him. His frequency so high, he jumps off the camera. I think Damon has it. Denzel has it. Like, there's certain tons of actresses. If I started naming actresses, I'd feel really, really bad. But, like, so many different people have it, but it's rare. And. And Josh has that. It's like I. I said to my. I said, because he's so handsome. Is that what it is? She goes, no, it's like. Like, I think the word for it is charisma. Some people have charisma. You can't quite describe what it is, but you know it when you see it, and he has it, and so you could tell that today.

[James Caan]

So that's so sweet. Thank you so much. Yeah. Very, very kind.

[Josh Duhamel]

It is true. Enjoyed the day very much, brother. Thank you so much.

[James Caan]

Me, too. Thanks for having me.

[Josh Duhamel]

Yeah. Everybody share the episode, please. Anybody you care about. This is one of these conversations you don't get a chance to hear very often from someone who's topping their craft, topping their field and their insights and their thoughts, and you find out they're a good person on top of it. It's like. Like. It's really like a cherry on top, so. All right, everybody. God bless you. Max Out.

[James Caan]

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