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The Power of Visualization: How Fighters Plan for Victory Feat. Michael Chandler
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Ed Mylett
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Michael Chandler
What's up, dad?
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Mikey Garcia
Man, it's.
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Michael Chandler
Thank you for the kind intro. You're, you are the man.
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Ed Mylett
Oh, here's my surprise for you, Mr. Chandler. I have my really, really good friend joining us today, everybody. And Michael, this is Mikey Garcia, who is a four time, he's a boxing champion, four division champion. Mikey, thanks for jumping in, brother.
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Michael Chandler
Yeah, thank you, thank you. And Michael, pleasure to meet you, brother.
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Ed Mylett
So, bro, I'm just curious, Mikey, if you're talking, you've had these huge fights. Fact, I've been at Texas Stadium with this dude in front of 50,000 people. I mean, he's had huge, huge fights. Is it different in a big fight, Mikey? Like anything you would say to Michael, you know, mentally, Is there anything different when it's a huge high profile fight as opposed to, you know, something that, no offense to any of great boxers, but some casino on the come up compared to, you know, a big arena Vegas fight or whatever, did that affect your mentality? Did you look at the fight differently? Is it just another fight?
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Michael Chandler
Look, you, you've been in it, you know, your whole life. You know, I was in it since I was a little kid. So I always took each fight as a big fight because I knew, you know, winning one fight would lead to the next and move my career forward. So getting to the big arena, to the big stage, you know, you talked about, you know, at and T Stadium, you know, in Texas, you know, and 50,000 people there. But to me it was just another night. I worked my whole life to get there. And I think, you know, I was just excited to finally make it to that, you know, stage, to the highest, you know, in my career. And what I did do a lot is I visualized that a lot. I visualized the fight. I visualized, you know, training. I visualized, you know, every scenario during the fight. Winning or losing rounds, you know, overcoming challenges in the fight. A cut, a knockdown, whatever it could be, I would always visualize, you know, and that went for, for every fight, but especially on the big one, because I didn't want anything to be, you know, out of, you know, my, my, my norm to scare me or timid me in any way, you know. So for me, I was visualizing everything. The ring walk, you know, the introduction to the, to the, to the fight, just so that I could have that already in my head when I experienced it. It wasn't as new. It was already there before I had already logged it in. I've already seen myself in front of that kind of attendance, that kind of crowd. And I just felt comfortable. I felt normal. It felt like another day. The training, obviously, was harder. The training was, you know, more. More vigorous for.
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Ed Mylett
For.
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Michael Chandler
For the training camp and longer weeks and all that because I was fighting a bigger guy. I was fighting a. A bigger, you know, man in the ring on. On fight night. So I had to prepare a little differently. But mentally, I was, you know, strong. It was. It was like a normal thing. Like, I just need to be here. I visualized David round, even. Even though the fight didn't go the way I originally wanted to, I. That was my first loss. But I walked out of that 100 healthy. Fine. We hung out the next day. We flew back together.
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Ed Mylett
We flew back together.
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Michael Chandler
You could tell that my mindset was sharp as ever. I was still, you know, confident. I was still having plans for the future, and it didn't send me back. You know, it wasn't ever like that. So that's what I got.
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Ed Mylett
Let me ask you, by the way, does that sound familiar, Michael, about the visualization, by the way, all of you, this is a gift you're getting today that, you know, I didn't intend to give you publicly. And I don't know that I'll put all this out either, by the way, but to have two gladiators talk to one another like this about it. What's. And by the way, Mikey and I did fly back after that fight together, and I was, like, just struck by how calm he was, like, all right, bro, we're another one. We're gonna do this, we're gonna do that. But, Mikey, what was interesting about what you just said? And Michael, I'll let you ask Mikey anything you want to. That's why I brought him here today. But, Mikey, you would actually visualize negatives, too. You were okay with visiting, I lost around or whatever. I'm interested in that. You think that was an okay thing to. Because I do as well. Might as well. I mean, you're going to lose around, you're going to get hit, something bad's going to happen. To avoid thinking about it to me seems sort of silly. Why not become familiar with it so you can respond that why you would do it?
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Michael Chandler
Yes, it's just so that you don't get nervous or panic. If something does happen during the fight, it's better be well prepared for any scenario, including a knockdown or a cut, something of that nature. But no matter what I envisioned or I visualized, I always came out the winner. I would always visualize myself winning at the end of the night, Whether it was I lost a couple of rounds or it was a tough fight. I got dropped in one of the rounds, you know, and, but I got up. I know how, how to react and I know how to continue with, with, with the remainder rounds and, and always winning at the end of the night. In other instances, different fights, I, I did get dropped on two separate occasions, But I knew what to do. I knew how to react. I had already planned how to even get up from a knockdown. I didn't want to get up in, in any way that would make the, the referee think that I was hurt and stop the fight. So I purposely figured how to position myself, how to take my time, how to take a knee first and then slowly, gradually walk up and then walk a little bit towards the neutral corner. Give my opponent more space, more space. So that when the fight resumed, I wasn't right in front of him, you know, and he's attacking me. I give more space, you know, so I would visualize that and prepare myself. I didn't do it in training camp where I would purposely go down and get up. No. But I would do here, you know, training my mind to be able to react in those scenarios. If I got cut, I knew exactly to signal my corner, let them know that I was cut so they could prepare the medicine so that as soon as the, the, the end of the round was there, you know, the, the bell rang, I was already close to the, to my corner. In fact, a lot of the rounds I would walk close to my corner. At the 10 second count, I walk close to my corner. So in case there was anything, they'd be the first ones to attend me While my opponent still has to walk all the way across to, to his corner. Those are a few seconds extra that I will have that my opponent doesn't have. Well, so I would practice all this.
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Ed Mylett
What I want everybody to get, whether you're an entrepreneur or you're an athlete, or I want Michael too, for this is the specificity of preparation. Right? The specific. To think that you would actually. And in Michael's case, it's not quite as easy if he's on the ground, but the specific thing that you're actually edging towards your corner early to get those extra five seconds of cuts. Now, one thing, you were great. This is more like inside stuff for Michael. One of the things Mikey was most well known for in boxing was his ability to go in with a game plan for the fight because his brother's the greatest trainer in the world. And so they had a game plan for the fight, but mid fight, mid round, begin to pick up on tendencies that he didn't see on film. In other words, react when things don't go the way he expected them to go. Michael. Right, that was, I think, Mikey, you correct me if I'm wrong. I think that was actually your greatest strength in the ring was your ability to adapt to a dude, whatever you saw that night first. Am I right about that? And two, any insight for him? Let's say he gets in there with Conor, right? He's got to have a game plan. We're not going to say what it is, but like most fights, you know, like Tyson says, everything can change when you get punched in the mouth or just Conor comes in there with something totally different, right? Conor's going to throw some things at him he hasn't seen before. How were you, Were you consciously thinking as you're going, or is it some depth perception thing you're using a feel thing? Like, what would you do to read him?
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Michael Chandler
Look, I'm, I'm, I'm looking at my opponent. You know, I'm taking the first round or two rounds to study my opponent. The way I study my opponent is I, I feel his, his speed. I let him punch a few times to be able to time the, the reaction, you know, time the, the speed of the punches and, and also timing his defense. So I'll jab a couple times and see how fast he can either block or, or, or dodge the punch so I can make my adjustments as the rounds go by. Second round, I'm still feeling him out, but maybe by the third round, you know, I'm already have a good idea of what to do. However, things can change, like you just mentioned, things change. So I prepared myself to be able to adapt. And as the rounds kept going, I'm also listening to the guy's breathing, I'm listening to the way he's, his body, his posture, you know, are his hands still up high and he still got the same intensity behind it, or is he starting to slow down, he's starting to wear out? Are we tying up if we're hugging, if we're tying up? Is he trying to let loose to continue fighting or is he just kind of trying to rest? Now it's the eighth round, maybe he's just resting a little bit, you know, so I'm paying attention to all that and at the same time I'm, I'm figuring out what I gotta do to keep countering his, you know, fight his game if he's changing something, if he's still on it, if he's still trying to do something, okay, maybe I gotta box a little bit more. Maybe I gotta pressure. So all that training came from being in shape in the gym, training hard in the gym, all those weeks of training, you know, all that. There's days in sparring sessions where I would box 12 rounds. Beautiful footwork, beautiful speed, counter punch for 12 rounds. So that I knew I can do that for 12 rounds on finite. But then there was other days where I would switch it, where I'd be fighting, you know, eight rounds, solid forward pressure, pressure in case I needed to do that. On fighting, I know I'm capable of doing that as well. So training, I would do all that. I would do all that in training.
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Ed Mylett
A lot of people would say, well, some of that he's got time because there's 12 rounds. But there are, but there are, but there's a ton of guys in the UFC that are spending time reading. I think of Izzy, he does that. He's reading cadence, he's reading speed, he's reading pace. John Jones. Jones. St. Pierre did it. This is done in the UFC as well. They're pacing themselves in the round. They're making. These are just things for Michael as he's ready for the fight that I want him to at least have the gift of in considering. And then just, you know, for back and forth. Was there anything. And then Michael, I'll let you ask him something. Anything. Press wise that week, this is more of like an inside thing, but like big fights, there's more press, there's more demands on your time, particularly fight week. Right. And I mean, can you imagine, McGregor, Chandler, what the press demands will be that week? Did you. I mean, it's one, one of the biggest fights in the history of the sport. So, so anything you did to mentally stay a particular way or pace yourself or that you would think of in dealing with just even press for the week, the, the press.
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Michael Chandler
That media is going to be tough. It's gonna be rough. Everybody's gonna be pulling you left and right. Everybody wants, you know, 10 minutes of your time. And, and you're obligated, you know, to, to some extent. You have to give, you know, prayers. You got to give the media some time, you got to give them interviews. It's part of promoting, it's part of being professional, you know, at that level. But what I, what I used to do was any moments that I had free time, I go rest. I would always make sure I Get enough rest, even if it was only a 20, 30 minute little nap, even if you don't go to sleep. But just laying down, chilling and, and resting your eyes for those 20, 30 minutes will help. At the end of the day, your number one goal is to perform and fight on Saturday night, on fight night, to your best of your capabilities. The media can wait a little bit. The media can be put to the side. You, you got to give them a little bit, but it's not all that matters. The number one thing is winning the fight. You know, that's number one. So you got to give them some time. Yeah, it's part of promoting, part of the business, part of, you know, marketing the fight. But every moment that I had, every hour, every 30 minutes that I had, I'd go take a break, I'd go take a nap because that would really, really help me continue my, my day and, and keep the energy. It's exhausting to be in front of media repeating the same over and over and over and over. And you have to have the smile and same energy. You're exerting a lot of energy over the days. You know, you may not be working out as hard anymore because now it's chill week. It's lighter work until you gotta cut weight. You're kind of slowing down on the pace of the training, but the whole media, the whole press, it's exhausting. So take all the time that you have to rest your body. Like I said, at the end of the day, if you really don't feel like doing every single interview, you don't have to. You don't feel so good. Hey, I'm not doing that one. I'm only doing the ones that really, really matter. Because I'm contractually obligated. I'll do that. You know, the network or the, the main ones after that, hey, I'm done. I'm resting because I, I want to win the fight.
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Ed Mylett
Yeah. These are all things, by the way, everybody. And by the. Let's just be clear. Michael's had tons of huge fights, Madison Square Garden. I mean, he's fought in the biggest arena in the world, just like Mikey has, right? He's done this. But everyone listening to this, that's getting an inside peak of what top athletes in the world think about and talk about. Same thing comes in business. Sometimes you got to say no to meetings because you got a big close at the end of the week. You got to be your best and peak at that moment, right? So these are all the same principles, Mikey. All The Michael Rather, all the big fights you've had, I just wanted to put someone almost the same sport, but a little bit different. We could have to, to just, just have you think about it just from a little bit out of the box, but still in the same box type thing. Both of you guys have had the biggest fights in the world. You've both won them. This fight, Mikey's Michael Rather is going up in weight a little bit per his own decision. So cutting won't be as bad. You went up in weight too, Mikey? Four different times. Michael. What? Anything you want to ask Mikey before I let. Let him go so we can have the rest of the show and talk about anything you want to ask him?
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Michael Chandler
Yeah, I mean, more than anything, I just, I love the piggyback off of like, you know, what you were saying about the visualization. I mean, just for the audience listening and even hearing it from a world class guy like Mikey, who I have watched on TV so many times, knowing.
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David Goggins
That before going into that fight, during.
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Michael Chandler
The visualization, it isn't all just about success, it's also about overcoming obstacles.
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Ed Mylett
Right.
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Michael Chandler
Because who doesn't want to be able see themselves knowing that, you know, you're.
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Ed Mylett
Going to be in the trenches taking.
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Michael Chandler
Grenades and you're going to be able to get through them and how you're going to react and respond and seeing yourself become victorious even when there is a little bit of adversity as well as, you know, we're not there yet to fight week yet. Next week I got to go out to New York for a full day.
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David Goggins
To do some press stuff.
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Michael Chandler
The press is about to start picking up and I think for me realizing that I have such a great crowd of witnesses, this is, I've had big fights, but this is even bigger. So therefore it's even more of, of a conviction to show up with a smile on my face as much as I can, but also be selfish when I need to, to take a little bit of time and maybe say no.
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Mikey Garcia
To a couple of them.
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David Goggins
Or you're like, yeah, this one's not.
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Michael Chandler
Exactly, you know, one of the big ones, you know, but no, that, that insight of even. Just like thinking about and your highlights and the fights that I've seen you in and thinking about that man, because you've always just been that man, that dominant guy out there, but then also hearing those little idiosyncrasies about the utilization and all the different things that you looked at and watched and played inside of your head even leading into those fights and they weren't always positive, but they always. They always ended with your hand getting raised.
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Ed Mylett
Yeah.
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Michael Chandler
Yep. Yep.
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Ed Mylett
Mikey, I gotta tell you, man, I'm really grateful you did this today, bro. Like, you know, you didn't need to do it immediately. Michael, just so you know, immediately I asked Mikey, he's like, yep, I got you. He was in New York. He's like, I got it. I'll make it happen. I had to change the time on him. He's like, no problem, bro. And the other thing, everybody should know. And I talk about this, Michael all the time. Mikey saved his money. Mikey saved his money. All you athletes listening. That's why he's real casual on a T shirt. And me and Chandler are still working right now. Chandler. But Mikey saved his money, and he's a young, wealthy man, bunch of real estate. He's done really, really well for himself. So I love you, brother. Thank you for jumping in. I appreciate it. I'll text you when we're done here.
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Michael Chandler
Let me know. Thanks, Ed. And want to wish you the very best. Michael, you know, we know how gangster you are. We know you know, such a badass you are. You got this. I mean, you've been training your whole life for this. There's nothing. Nothing more that.
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Ed Mylett
That.
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Michael Chandler
That we gotta give you, you know, much more tips on fighting. You know, I mean, you've done it. You just gotta go in there and take care of business, brother. I wish you the very best. I'll be checking it out.
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David Goggins
Thank you so much, man.
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Ed Mylett
I appreciate you, man.
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Michael Chandler
And I'm gonna have Ed connect us.
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Ed Mylett
So we can do it today. I'll connect you when we're done.
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Michael Chandler
I would love that. You're the man, Mikey. I appreciate you, brother. We'll go get some dinner after your fight.
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Ed Mylett
Yeah.
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David Goggins
Hey.
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Michael Chandler
Yeah.
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David Goggins
What'd you say? Julio's or where you want to take.
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Ed Mylett
We're gonna go to Javier's. But you're gonna win this fight. There you go. Let's go. You're gonna win a fight and you're gonna buy us dinner. So that's what I got.
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David Goggins
That I got you guys.
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Ed Mylett
All right, brother. Take care, Mikey.
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David Goggins
Thank you.
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Ed Mylett
All right, man. How cool was that, bro? Was that cool? So.
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Michael Chandler
It's so cool, man. Absolute warrior. I mean, that was the thing, too, obviously. Phenomenal technician, phenomenal at boxing, but also.
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Ed Mylett
Just a warrior, man. Like, yep, it's. And obviously, like you said, different sports.
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Michael Chandler
But they're the same. It's. It's hand to hand combat, whether it's wrestling, boxing, kickboxing, these hand to hand combat competitions, man.
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Ed Mylett
Yep. And one of the things that you all should know that you know kind of inside baseball stuff that Mikey and I work on and that Michael and I work on is visualization. A lot of you ask about that, but it's like really detailed stuff. And it's okay to visit failure, it's okay to visit a down cycle. And in fact I think it's really important because then you can program yourself out of it. So anyway, I just wanted to have you visit with him for a minute and, and have the audience listen to the two of you. So if you're thinking about finding a unique gift this holiday, let me tell you something that could really help the people that you love grow and get better. You can't do any better than Masterclass. Masterclass allows you and your loved ones to learn from the best, to become their best. Take an expert in an industry and they're on Masterclass. It's the only streaming platform where you can learn and grow with over 200 of the world's best at what they do. Learn from any Masterclass instructor anywhere on a smartphone, computer, smart TV or even in audio mode. I have to tell you, I'm doing a cooking thing on right now because I really want to make better food for the fam and so I'm on there right now doing through a cooking thing and the classes make a difference. 80% of the members feel Masterclass made a positive impact in their life and there's no risk. Every new membership, 30 day money back guarantee. Masterclass always has great offers during the holidays, sometimes as much as 50% off. Head over to masterclass.com mylet for the current offer. That's up to 50% off at masterclass.com/mylet masterclass.com mylet what makes a leader? It's a tough question, but one thing's for sure. A true leader leads by example. And a true leader takes risks too. They plunge into life with determination. For those who lead by example and who approach life with a palpable passion, there's the Range Rover Sport. Each Range Rover Sport model offers a dynamic sophisticated take on sporting luxury. The Range Rover Sport offers focused on road performance and world renowned off road capability with industry leading features like adaptive off road cruise control that monitors ground conditions and acclimates to the present terrain. Agility, control and composure are achieved with dynamic air suspension and adaptive dynamics. Reduces unwanted body movements to deliver smooth and composed handling. True sophistication and excellent maneuverability. All on a seriously stylish Package. Sophisticated refinement meets visceral power in the Range Rover Sport, a new dimension of sporting luxury. Build your Range Rover Sport@Land RoverUSA.com Very Short Intermission here, folks. I'm glad you're enjoying the show so far. Don't forget to follow the show on Apple and Spotify. Links are in the show notes. Now on to our next guest. I got him right there. That's Goggins, everyone. Number one requested guest, you don't know this for my show the last two years is you.
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David Goggins
Really?
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Ed Mylett
Yeah, yeah, really honored. This is a gentleman who completed Navy SEAL training, Army Ranger training, Air Force Tac P training. I believe he's the only person in history to do that.
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David Goggins
Yes, sir.
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Ed Mylett
This is a guy who did three hell weeks, 60 plus ultra marathons, running with broken bones for 30 miles to get into one of the mega ultramarathons. And a lot of people call him the toughest man alive. But I'm excited because I get to call him my friend. Now. I've enjoyed this conversation so much and I think you guys are going to join the. On camera one. So this is Goggins, everybody.
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David Goggins
I appreciate you having me, man.
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Ed Mylett
Thank you, thank you. Start a little bit with like how you grew up because I think that's part of the story.
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David Goggins
Well, my dad, so I grew up in Buffalo, New York. My, my dad really helped create this. I'm not giving him credit. Yeah, like, oh, he was a great dad. Like, clap my hands for his ass. He helped create this because he was just that. He was a devil, you know, he was a guy that had to be very insecure, very beat down. Something had to happen to him. He was younger because the way he treated me, my brother, my mom, was just horrible. So he would beat us, my mom, my brother, my me. And I'm not talking like, oh, you got in trouble, so let me give you a whipping. When he would, he was a drunk, okay? So whenever he woke up, man, he woke up drinking, went to bed drinking. And that's just how it was. I mean, he get drunk, he just got violence. So my mom caught my dad cheating. We got home about 4 o'clock in the morning. So I'm about 7, 8 years old and I hear some ruckus outside my room as I'm getting ready to bed down for the night. And my mom and dad are outside my room because there's a staircase right there and my dad is smacking the hell out of my mom and knocks her almost unconscious where she's kind of out of it, you know, she's kind of losing gloopy. She falls down, he grabs her by her hair and drags her down the stairs by her hair. And so at this age, I'm sitting thinking, man, you know, what the should I do, man? Like, you know, I'm scared, but then something in me saying, you gotta go and do something.
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Ed Mylett
Oh, my God.
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David Goggins
But I'm scared to death of this guy because he's been beating the shit out of me since I can remember. And I mean, like, laying me out for nothing. And I'm sitting there thinking, man, okay, man, like, what am I gonna do? So my brother, he and I were very different. When my brother would see the fighting, he would go to his room and hide. I didn't do that. I always stuck around. So this time I stuck around. I decided to help her out. So I go on the stairs and I jump on his back. And literally he tells my mom, you're raising a gangster. As she's like, on the floor. And he's almost smiling, almost like proud. But that smile went to a. A frown pretty quick. And he beat the living hell out of me. And he beat me literally from my neck down to my ankles, like, black and blue. So next morning, I was going to school half the day. My mom woke up and she pulled the covers back and what she saw was how bruised I was. And so when she pulled the covers back and saw how bruised I was, I'll never forget looking at her face because she used to write letters from. For me and my brother to Ms. Pe because we were so bruised up from getting beaten. So, you know, he's sick or whatever. And so, you know, she was lying a lot from my dad. So this particular day, she didn't write a letter. But when I laid in the bed and looked at my mom and she pulled the covers back, I'll never forget looking at her face. And her face is tattooed in my brain. And while I say that, this past year I got the VFW Award for Americanism Award. And if you Google David Goggins VFW Award, I'm in front of 5,000 veterans and I'm getting this amazing award. John McCain got it. And I'm up here thinking, man, I'm up for getting this award. This is amazing. It's for giving back and also having a great military career. And I could give this six minute long speech. And I'm up there, man, I'm talking and I'm thinking, I'm thanking people who helped me out. I get to my mom. She's sitting backstage, you know, she's sitting right here on stage, but behind me. And I haven't cried in 30 years.
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Ed Mylett
I can't even picture it.
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David Goggins
Haven't cried in 30 years. I just don't do that. And I turn around and say. And I want to thank my mom for not picking me up when I was knocked down, but teach me how to get up. Because she never picked me up ever. And because her circumstances sucked. So, anyway, I look back and I said that, and I got done. I didn't even get a chance to say it. I looked at her eyes in my head. Went right back to her face when she saw me bruised up and that me up. And for 58 seconds. Look at the video and you'll see me. My head's down and I'm sobbing. Wow. And I'm in front of 5,000 vets. And the guy who was. Who was hosting the thing had to come up to me and, like, put his hand on my back. And I was just destroyed, overcome with emotion. And then 58 seconds go by, and I get up and I deliver this speech. And so I tell you that because life, my life, tattooed me. And so when I came from Buffalo, I was eight years old. Several learned. I didn't have one learned disability. I had several. But I hid all this shit. I never talked about my dad being crazy or I couldn't read, I couldn't write. I got held back in my second grade. So now we move. My mom now finds the courage to move to this small town called Brazil, Indiana.
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Ed Mylett
Was that beating the catalyst that made you leave? That was a catalyst, and that's probably why you flash back to that second. Okay, I got you.
- [27:31]
David Goggins
So basically that next morning. So this is what happened. That beating happened. And maybe two days later, my mom's in the living room while my dad's in the kitchen talking to one of his girls. My mom walks in the kitchen with me and my brother sitting in our, you know, standard locations at the table. My dad at the head of the table, me and my brother at the side of the table. And there's a phone behind. My dad, he always talked on the phone, smoking cigarette, drinking his scotch, and he's talking to one of his girls on the phone. And my mom walks in, and this is where she was at mentally. She walked in, looked at me and my brother, and she said, you guys can come or you guys can stay, but I'm getting the fuck out of here. And so she was broke. Like, she was just broken And I got my shit and I packed. I was gone quick. My brother was kind of like, what should I do? So, long story short, he ends up coming with us to Brazil, Indiana. But he didn't want to come. We had car trouble. It's all in the book. He had car trouble. All kind of shit happened. But we finally get to Brazil, Indiana.
- [28:32]
Ed Mylett
Let me jump in real quick. First off, when he says the book, everybody, I've read a lot of books. My favorite thing about you, obviously there's this. Things we're going to get into in a little bit here that are just remarkable about you, that you've achieved, actually, I don't think are remarkable about you. I think you found remarkable spaces in your own mind that other people could also find.
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David Goggins
Right?
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Ed Mylett
But I think it's remarkable you found them given these circumstances. But the book that he's referring to, guys, is Can't Hurt Me. And when you read this book, everybody, I'm telling you these stories like he's telling them now. They jump. Like, I read the whole book in one day.
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David Goggins
Wow.
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Ed Mylett
And the reason is, is because I was so fascinated with you in the first place. But it's a. It's. I think it's almost like a documentary into what can build somebody like you. But it, like, for me, people that are listening to this, especially you young people that listen to it, and I know some of the language is strong, but I just want you all to understand something. No matter what you're going through right now, whether you're 7 years old or 77 years old, those things don't define you. This man, what you're about to hear is incredible. Incredible what he's turned himself into. From a dad who was in those conditions to, I think your mom was great, right? But you've sort of said mom wasn't ever again completely herself after those situations, right? Then he goes into school, has a learning disability. He's behind because he wasn't going to school. Kind of starts just lying and cheating to get his way through school. Stuttered, stutter, Stuttered, stuttered.
- [29:51]
David Goggins
Bad. My elementary years, I stuttered so bad. And I had these white splotches all over my skin. I had patches of hair falling out.
- [29:58]
Ed Mylett
Of my head out of stress.
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David Goggins
Stressed. I was so stressed out from my childhood. And then now I'm in this situation where I'm like, God, man, I. I'm dumb, I'm not smart. And now I'm like this. This black kid amongst all these white people. And it just made me feel just fucked up. And my mom was working three jobs. We lived in a seven dollar a month place. She was never home. And I was like, so. But I didn't want to put my troubles on my mom. Before that, my soon to be stepdad got murdered. One incident that really shocked my mind was it was Christmas. So picture everything I talked about. This is my seventh grade year we're about to go out for, you know, so school. So Christmas break's about to happen. And so here we are, we had elementary to junior high that wrote our book. And we pull up in front of the junior high school and the bus lets out, but not yet. This kid who missed the bus, he missed the bus because he had some cookies for the bus driver. He goes over and I tell a story because this story, it fucked me up so bad. And this, this kid, mom brought him to school. And I see them pull up. I'm in the back of the bus and I'm in the very back, right by the back wheel facing, seen the parking lot. The parking lot is probably 20ft wide and 15 buses are lined up. And we all open the bus doors the same time we all get out. So the kid, I see him, the mom yells over, you forgot something. He obviously forgot the cookies. He goes back, gets the cookies. I look forward, the bus moves forward, maybe this much. Next thing I know, I'm hearing this lady screaming, top of her lungs, pulling like at her hair, just yanking at her hair, just screaming bloody murder. I'm looking over to the same lady that called a little boy, like, what the hell? And she's looking down under my tire. And so I see these things on my window and I don't know what they were, but they were like little spots. So you know how the old bus school, you know, the buses have little things. You push in, you pull the window down. I push me in, I look down, looking at her, and her face, her eyes are looking right down underneath my tire. And I'm like, what the hell is she looking at? So I looked down and this kid's head was this flat and his eyes were bugged out of his head. And I tell you that story because a year, almost exactly a year later, the same exact time frame, the day after Christmas, my mom, soon to be stepdad or my soon b stepdad got murdered.
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Ed Mylett
Oh my God.
- [32:30]
David Goggins
So that I tried to bury that. And now my eighth grade year, he gets murdered. And so what happens? I had to bring you back here to set the tone for what happened here.
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Ed Mylett
I want to understand what the hell you just Said you're telling me in the seventh grade you watched a young man get run over by the bus?
- [32:46]
David Goggins
I see it. I saw the after.
- [32:47]
Ed Mylett
You saw the after of his. Oh my.
- [32:49]
David Goggins
So what I did. So I got off the bus and this is what curiosity does to you. This is the dumbest thing I've done in my life. I'm walking now, so I have to go to the principal's office because I was like witness to this shit. So I'm in the principal's office sitting there, and the one thing I did was I looked under the bus as I. So I see this and I look under the bus as I'm walking to the principal's office and I see these little kids shoes. I'm telling you this because this shit is. It's about ptsd. So I already had it from my childhood. Now I'm in seventh grade and I see these little kids shoes like this big. He was an elementary kid just twisted in, and I'm just like, what the fuck? And then nearly a year later, the day after Christmas, a year later, my soon to be stepdad gets murdered. And I tell you that because I slept on my floor for probably, I don't know, four months to six months. Why I was afraid to sleep in my bed for some reason. Don't know why. Some psychological like. But I. I'm painting this picture for you, let you know where I was at.
- [33:59]
Ed Mylett
Yeah.
- [33:59]
David Goggins
So one time my. In my Spanish class, we had all of our notebooks that. That stayed in the class, so. And you know, obviously your name's on it. You go get your notebook for class. And I always sat back in the back of every class, man, because that's what it be. Don't look at me. Don't call on me. Yep, I don't know shit. Open my notebook up to the first page and on it was a noose. Like a little hangman noose with me hanging from it with the same thing. Nigger, we're gonna kill you. And this is in the 90s. This is the 90s. In 1995, the KKK marched in the 4th of July parade in Brazil, Indiana. Now they weren't allowed to march like actually in the parade. They were allowed to march 100 or 200ft feet behind it. My mom didn't know how bad my grades were. She never saw one report card I hit, I hid everything from. And she didn't even ask. She was so bogged down with life. And so I got away with a lot of shit because her mind was occupied. So it made me, honestly, a weaker person. So I scammed life. My mom helped me scam life for a while, but this time I couldn't scam life. I went the second time, took the ASVAB test, failed it again. And a week later, she got a letter in the mail from my high school. And I'm a junior in high school. And the letter says, pretty much, your son's gonna flunk out. He's missed 25% of school because she was always gone. So I didn't went to school. He's gonna miss school, and so he's gonna flunk out. So I was exposed once again. My mom goes, well, she read the letter to me, she put my bed, and her best advice was, guess what? You're gonna flunk out of school. That was it. End of conversation. So this is when I developed my accountability mirror.
- [35:38]
Ed Mylett
And this is awesome.
- [35:40]
David Goggins
I. I look in the mirror, and at this time, I didn't want to be the black kid in school. There's like five or six of us in school and like, 1700 kids, something like that. And I made up a character to kind of like, draw attention from color, okay? And so what I did was I started to design haircuts. And one haircut I had was the old man. And I shaved my head up here just like this.
- [36:09]
Ed Mylett
You did this?
- [36:10]
David Goggins
I did this. And I would keep the hair on the side like an old man has. And one time I shaved my whole head and had reverse part, so I had hair up here. And they kind of zigzagged. So I did things to be this cool, crazy, kind of, like, creative kid, you know, like crisscross. Came this time, which I had my pants sagging but backwards, so my. So my back pockets here, I had toothbrush. I was crazy, man, but I was a crazy cool kid in school. So I look in the mirror, I see this letter. I'm. I'm up, and I'm like, you know what, man? No one is coming to help me. Yeah, I remember back to what my principal said. I went to the principal when they wrote that shit on my car and in my notebook. And the best advice he could give me, God help his soul, was this. They're ignorant. They spell nigger niger God. And so that's. But honestly, I talked to the guy as I wrote my book, and I have nothing wrong with Principal Freeman. I actually interviewed him for the book, and he was happy to interview. He's a good man. What the fuck? You could tell some black kid you're a white guy? In white society, we could. Tell me. You could shut down the fucking school and have a fucking dance. So I started talking to myself this way in this mirror. What the fuck is principal at that time? This is the best you can do, Principal Freeman. That was my mind then. But in this mirror, it wasn't my mom, it wasn't Principal Freeman, it wasn't my dad, it was me. Because when nobody coming back to fucking help David Goggins. That was my mindset now. And so with my non spelling ass, I started getting these sticky notes.
- [37:48]
Ed Mylett
Wow.
- [37:49]
David Goggins
And writing, you're fucked up. And my mom wakes up like, what is wrong with you? I go, man, I have to change because I can't stay here. I looked at myself in the mirror and I was defeated. I go look at myself. I'm like, who am I? So I'm defeated in this mirror and I'm like, okay, I'm changing. I said, mom, can we please get a tutor? So we can only afford $15 a week for a tutor. So I have four hours a month. Four hours a month. I had a fourth grade reading level, man, four hours a month for six months. That's all I had. So this tutor did one thing for me, very big wish I can remember her damn name. But basically she saw that I was slow, very slow, and couldn't retain shit. And I think she was joking. She goes, you're gonna have to write down everything a thousand times for you. Remember this. I took it as.
- [38:42]
Ed Mylett
As okay, literally.
- [38:44]
David Goggins
Roger that. Okay, so I literally went to the store and I bought these spiral notebooks and I started literally writing down, let's say it's a math equation, the same fucking math equation over and over and over and over again. When it came to a paragraph comprehension, I couldn't read the fucking paragraph and then remember it. So we had like, I think 25 or 30 paragraph comprehension things. I had to write down the whole fucking thing, like a whole paragraph. And you, you don't have much time to take the fucking test. But that's how I learned, okay, so how I learned the. The Navy dive, man, it was like a thousand pages. Navy dive, man. I got it a year in advance.
- [39:24]
Ed Mylett
Oh my gosh.
- [39:25]
David Goggins
And wrote the book out probably 14 times. Like the Boyle's law, child's law, Gay Lussac's law, Dalton's Law, all these laws. But over and over, the whole manual. So it's not like. So now I've done it so many times, I can go back in my mind and say, okay, page 71 was Boyle's Law. And I can go back in this, and I'm looking at it right now, and I remember writing it down so many times that it takes me saying, okay, I got it. And I can write it down almost verbatim. How I saw, that's how I learned, even to the day. But the work ethic I had. People think, I became this guy from running.
- [40:04]
Ed Mylett
Yeah.
- [40:05]
David Goggins
No, I became this guy from fucking studying. I had to study for hours. What might take you an hour to learn? Take me two days. Wow. So that's where. In this. At the table. At the table. And my best friend Johnny remembers me like, God, you just changed. Something happened. I got obsessed. So I take the test, I score high, I get in the Air Force. And that's when I'm like, man, I'm gonna be a pararescueman. And this is when I realized, man, I teach myself how to swim. I taught myself how to swim. And this one, I realized, man, that I'm negative, buoyant as hell. And there's a lot of things. So what gets people in special operations is to walk water. Not swimming, but the water confidence. When they're like taking your air from you and your underwater panic. I realized I was very uncomfortable. So long story short, I was there for six weeks. I was moving on pretty well. I was second in my class and I was getting through all the water confidence. But barely. But I wanted to quit every fucking night. I didn't go to sleep every night. Just paranoid of the next day of getting back in that pool. So six months go by, we have this medical examination and they draw my blood and they say you have sickle cell, sickle cells, a blood disease that some African Americans have. Basically, you know, if something happens in a stressful situations, stroke, heart attack, sudden death. This happened to a few African Americans in the military. So they pulled me from training saying, you can't do this job. And when you live a very stressed out life like I was living, that's your norm. So not sleeping, being scared, that was my norm. I wasn't gonna quit. But when they pull you out of training and now I'm comfortable, I agree with you. So now I'm seeing my clash of 24 guys. It was like 150. Now it's 24 guys and they're in the pool and I'm on the side of the pool. I'm not in the water. Now I'm seeing what I was doing. I'm seeing these guys struggling, panicking in the water, like wanting to quit. I'M like. Like that.
- [42:07]
Ed Mylett
Wow.
- [42:08]
David Goggins
I'm not going. So now I'm comfortable and I'm able to see. Now I'm not going back. So now my big dream of being a pararescueman, I'm now seeing that do this. I'm like, I want to get out of the Air Force.
- [42:20]
Mikey Garcia
Wow.
- [42:20]
David Goggins
I don't even want to be in the military. So this is what I'm saying. So I'm hoping now that this sickle cell thing is going to get me kicked out of the military. Because I'm like, okay, I don't go back in the. I'm done. So I'm not getting happy because now I'm like, I won't quit. They're going to medically drop me from the course. This is great. I can keep my head up. I learned how to read, I learned how to write. I passed the ASVAB test. But I'm fixing everything on the surface. I'm not going into the fucking dungeon. So the doc calls up, I go back to the doctor's. I'm like skipping down there, thinking, I'm getting out of here, man. Medically discharged. He goes, man, you know what? You were doing good in your class. And we don't really know. We don't know how you got this far with this whatever. So guess what we're gonna do? We're gonna put you back in the training. I'm like, fuck. So. But I'm thinking, now I only have about a couple, you know, two and a half weeks left to training. Cause I missed a week, a week and some change. I go, you know what? Great, man. I have to suck this up, man. I can do this. So I'm trying to motivate myself. On the way back to my CEO, my command officer, Sergeant Lumber. I get to Sergeant Lumberg. Sergeant Lumberg looks at me, says, goggins, man, that's great. You're back in the training. You gotta start from day one. Because I'm at critical parts of training, I can't miss that many days. And I'm like. But I was a great liar. And I wouldn't look at a hardcore man and tell him that I just fucking quit. So I looked at him and said, hey, you know what, Sarge, man?
- [43:46]
Ed Mylett
This.
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David Goggins
This sickle cell thing, man, the doc was talking about sudden death stroke, heart attack. I didn't give up about sickle cell, but I didn't know anything about it. I knew I was struggling. I knew had some. Some health issues. But I thought because I was killing myself and what I was doing. And he said, you know what? You're right, man. I wouldn't want to do that either. So he gave me a medical out of Pararescue and he said, we, when we figure this out more, we'll have you come back. I wasn't ever going back. I'm like, I never, I'm never getting back in the water again. But I was able to leave.
- [44:18]
Ed Mylett
Wow.
- [44:19]
David Goggins
On a medical. But I quit.
- [44:21]
Ed Mylett
You quit? Why do you admit it? Why do you, why do you tell this story?
- [44:25]
David Goggins
I have to. Because everybody thinks I'm the world's toughest ever lived. And I might be somewhere about that now, but that's where I was. And I tell the story because if I just talk about I broke the pull up record, I, I, I did all these fucking races. I went through SEAL training, I was in three hell weeks, Ranger school. If I talk about all the badassery like we like to do on social fucking media and I don't tell you that I was a fucked up kid and I was scared as shit and I was depressed and insecure and all this shit, what good am I for anybody, right? I'm a superhero. I'm a liar. I'm that now. But I wasn't born that. Yeah, I had to make myself into this.
- [45:12]
Ed Mylett
It's amazing to me that this, you know, you won't accept it this way, but like this military icon, but not really like a social icon too. Like when people aspire to be tough and mentally tough. I mean there are UFC fighters that when they win fights now quote you in their post conference interviews, you, I don't even know if you know that or not. But like I watched it. They're like Goggin says, you know, seriously enough. So that guy kind of bullshits his way out of the military, right? Like that's staggering. And then that guy, if you don't mind me jumping ahead a little bit, then that guy ends up kind of living in an apartment, gains a ton of weight, gets up to almost 300 pounds, killing cockroaches as an exterminator. This is just crazy where we're going to go right now and then what we're going to go after, that's even more bananas. But go ahead, jump back.
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David Goggins
So it's funny though. So I, I get out of Pararescue, so I go to a job called tacp. Just real quick about that. It's a great fucking job and the best job is in the military. But I'm all poopy past now. I'm not Paris communing something. Attack. Peace. Some weak ass motherfuckers, right? Tac P. Right.
- [46:15]
Ed Mylett
Del Toro is one of the best.
- [46:16]
David Goggins
Jobs in the world. But my mind once again has me shackled. Now I'm thinking I'm not a pararescue man. So I'm like, you know, I'm TAC people. A great job, I had great friends in it and I did it pretty well. But I could have been so much better. My mind was once again hijacking me. So I get out and. But from, from the time from 1994 to 1999 or 1998, I go from 175 pounds to 297. Not much education, four and a half years in the military. I started spraying for cockroaches and making $1,000 a month. And I had an eight hundred and ten dollar apartment. So I'm scrounging, dude. And so my life is hard. But fuck it, I'm spraying for cockroach from 11 o'clock at night, at 7 o'clock in the morning. And that's my life. But once again, man, you can't lie to yourself. I can lie to you and I can lie to everybody else. And I was great at it. But buddy, every fucking day in that dirty mirror, that accountability mirror was no more. Fuck that accountability mirror. Let's just fucking shave my head and go to work. But I saw my reflection every day. But I really didn't know how fat I was. I didn't even want to look at myself. But I was haunted. These demons were in my head every day, man. You ain't shit, man. God dawg, man, you wear this fucking uniform. You get in your fucking Ecolab truck, you go spray for cockroaches. You fucking go in the kitchen, you eat their fucking brownies and shit in the back kitchen. You make shakes and shit while you're in there, man. I was like, fuck man. So I come home and I'll never forget it. I used to spray down steak and shake. My last stop at about 6:30 at night or 6:30 in the morning, I sprayed on steak and shake and they had this big large shake. They gave me a special cup and they just dumped the fucking chocolate milkshake in there. And I go across the street to 7:11 at a 45 minute commute home. And I would be. And I'd go over to 711 and get these chocolate donuts, like the mini Hostess donuts. And I was popping them like Tic Tacs, dude. You know, like I eat It. I just pop it. Boom. Just. Just be driving, listening to radio, popping them like Tic Tacs, drinking the shake. So there's. So by the time I got home, that box of donuts was gone. My mom lived about two miles down the road cuz she moved teen apples in Indiana. Now. So what would happen is this. So I would eat that and my routine was this, you not my breakfast was not that. My. That was my snack for my 45. So Mal, my mom. And this is. No, my breakfast. You know those Pillsbury cinnamon rolls? Yeah, you got the five, you got the eight. Yeah, I had the eight. So you had the eight. She baked that. And then, then it was seven to eight scrambled eggs hard and half a pound of bacon, well done. And I would chase that motherfucker down with Fruity Pebbles, two bowls or Fruit Loops, something sugary. That was my breakfast after the fucking donuts and the shake. So this day though, I get home, call my mom up on the phone. She goes, you want your staple? I'm like, hell yeah. With my fucking steak. You know, that's how I talk to my mom. You know, me and my mom came up with some fucked up shit. People go, man, why you cuss so much? Cause my life wasn't easy, sure. So I'm not gonna sit here and sugarcoat a flavor. So my mom cusses at me because. But we have a great relationship. Okay, great, come over. And so at this time, my routine was to come home, turn the TV on, listen to the tv, like blare it. Cause like, literally I had this big living room and my shower was like back down the hall. So I turn the TV on and like blur the TV and kind of like listen to it a little bit. As I showered, I'm hearing Navy seal, heard about them, knew about them. But now I want to come out and see what the fuck I'm talking about. I heard world's toughest. So I come out and watch this documentary. I come out, basically, I have my towel and I have my shake down on the counter. I have this little fucking TV in a huge, huge living room. So I'm looking at the tv, I'm leaning forward and I'm watching this. And it pretty much goes through first phase, second phase, and third phase. But they concentrate on hell week. But all I saw was the Pacific Ocean, right? Water again, Dude, I saw nothing but water. More water than pararescue. And these guys are like going from this big class to this. It shows them quitting. And I see nothing but this jackhammer guys. Snot bubbles and just rolling around sugar cookies in and out of the surf and carry these boats and logs. I'm like, that. That looks evil. But guys, as they quit, I saw like their soul leaving their bodies almost on screen. Because this look came over them. And I imagined. I remember myself back in pararescue training. I bet that's how I looked in front of that Sergeant Lumberg. And I bet he could see in my eyes that I was basically quitting. He knew I was quitting. He just gave me a medical that knew it as a man looking at another man. You know when the man's done and I'm like. I thought about. Sorry. I said, knew I was quit, dude. He didn't. He saved me and didn't want to tell me I was. He knew it. Because I can look at somebody now and say, okay, dude, you're good, but I know you're quitting. It ain't your knee or your back or whatever, you're quitting. He saw that in me. And I said, motherfucker, man. So now I'm watching these guys go through training and it goes down to 22 guys were left. And it was amazing how it ended because these words, I don't know them exactly, but it's in my book. Exactly. And this command officer is at graduation. And these 22 guys graduate buds seal training. And his command officers is just white. He's up there, some old skinny fucking commander fucking. But you could tell he's been through the shit. Salty looking motherfucker. And he's looking hard. And his speech was amazing. He goes, we live in a society where mediocrity is often rewarded. And he looked down at the 22 men and he says something about, basically, you all detest mediocrity. And he goes on to talk about this mediocrity and shit. And I just sat back and I said, God, man, I just want to be like these. I want to feel. Because now I was projecting myself in those chairs. I wanted, how can. How do y'all feel like right now? I want to feel like you do. You. You 22 men. I want to feel like that, man. I said, I'm tired of feeling the way I feel every day. I'm tired of how I feel. I'm tired of lying to myself and lying to people and just being some piece of. And I always knew in the back of my mind I could be something special.
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Ed Mylett
Yes.
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David Goggins
But I knew the work it was going to take was going to kill me. I was afraid of that. I was afraid of the brutality and the suffering I was going to have to endure. But I knew. I knew I could do something. But I'm like, I ain't trying to do that kind of work, man. I'm just not trying to do that. So I chose a path of easy, of least resistance. So now my idea is it became so haunting and daunting on me, my myself, that I said, I'm done. I'm done. And I thought I fixed myself in the accountability mirror when my mom put the letter down on the bed. Yeah, no. So now at this point, I actually drive back to Buffalo, New York, to see my dad. Haven't seen him in years.
- [53:43]
Ed Mylett
I've not heard this part.
- [53:44]
David Goggins
And no one knows about this. I didn't put this in the book, even. So before I start this journey, be Navy seal, I go back to see my dad. Because I realize now I gotta fix some shit. I'm blaming everything. I gotta go back. You know how a lot of times you, like if you're a runner, your right knee may hurt, but it's not your right knee that hurts. It's really left hip. Yes, but we're concentrating on the right knee. I'm concentrating on all my shit. But I need to go back to the root of the problem, which is my dad. I got faced a demon. I got to go back and see what made him so fucked up to make me so fucked up. Why am I fucked up? So I go back and I. And I go back as an older man now I'm in my 20s. I'm not a kid anymore. And I want to see this man and face him as a grown man, but still as a kid. In my head, I was still a kid, but I was a grown man. As my age. I went back and I realized he was the same man, that he was still the same, still the same. And I talked to him. He was still nuts. And. But I had to go back and face that one more time, but to face it in a different way.
- [54:50]
Ed Mylett
How'd you do it different?
- [54:52]
David Goggins
I looked at him in a way we never said sorry to one another. And he went off about my mom and my grandparents and all kind of shit. But I looked at him in a way that I realized now. Why you fucked us up. Up. I had to almost be him to realize, it's okay, brother. It's okay. Because I realized that somewhere in your life, something you up and you didn't deal with it. And so you put that on me, my mom, and everybody around you. I'm going to deal with my.
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Ed Mylett
Wow.
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David Goggins
So even though you gave me all this, you. You gave me a satchel and that I didn't deserve. And now I'm all up and people think I'm a liar and I'm all up. You gave me this. You created this nightmare of Goggins. I'm gonna fix it, though. Wow. So now I get it. I look at me. This is what I'm saying in my head.
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Ed Mylett
My favorite thing you've ever said right now. And I love all of it, but that's my favorite thing. I've never heard that.
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David Goggins
I want to fix it now. So I almost take it. I take all this. It's mine. I'm gonna fix all this. But I know to fix. People want to find peace. Peace immediately. And this is where people don't like me. I don't believe that. You ain't gonna find it through yoga and all this other bullshit. I stretch out a lot and I believe in yoga. All this is great. But you ain't gonna find it in some room. You're gonna find peace from going to war with yourself. Because we all got shit. We all got shit. People look at me. The reason why my story resonates with people because I don't hide. I'll tell you exactly who the I am. I will admit to it. People are great at hiding. So they want to just find peace. No, you got. You gotta take your fix. Whatever's up in you, don't just shove it under a rug. Fix it. And then you'll find some peace later.
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Ed Mylett
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Mikey Garcia
Thank you so much.
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Ed Mylett
So let's take Kobe and Jordan, the two physically phenomenally gifted dudes, mixed with all the things that you have in the book about winning. Like if you want to think like Kobe Bryant and what Tim Grover did, we're going to read the book, right? If you want to think like MJ and the things that you learned from MJ and then that you took to another level, read the book. Right? Did you ever work with a guy? Don't say who. I know you wouldn't, but did you ever work with someone as physically gifted? Is either one of the two of them that just lack these things. And so as a result we don't know who they are.
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Mikey Garcia
Numerous, really.
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Ed Mylett
As physically gifted?
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Mikey Garcia
Even more.
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Ed Mylett
Wow.
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Mikey Garcia
Even more. They were by far not my most physically gifted athletes. I work with athletes that were jumped higher than mj, who ran faster, who had better footwork than Kobe.
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Ed Mylett
But Michael Jordan and Kobe Bryant were not the two most physical, physically gifted athletes you've worked with.
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Mikey Garcia
No.
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Ed Mylett
Whoa. Okay. And then. So when you would work with these guys and you'd be pushing them in training, there was a different resistance or fatigue or how was it different?
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Mikey Garcia
You know what, Ed? How many times have you had people come up to you and says, I'll do anything to get where you're at.
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Ed Mylett
Right? All the time.
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Mikey Garcia
Or, I'll do anything to work for you until you. Until you tell them what your definition of anything is. Your definition of anything is different than my definition of anything. I'll have an athlete. It's very simple. When I first start with them, when I was training numerous. So what time's the first workout? I'd say 3:30. I'll be like, okay, it's 3:30am a.m. i wouldn't tell them a.m. or p.m. tell them 3:30. Okay. So we're. Myself, my staff, we're sitting at waiting. Cause, you know, winning doesn't sleep. And it doesn't understand why you. Why you do.
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Ed Mylett
That's awesome.
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Mikey Garcia
So then we come back at. We go that they roll in the gym about 3, 3:30. Like, what are you doing here? They're like, you said, 3:30. No, no, I said, you got the wrong time. And I said, when does a new day start? And they look at him, he goes, no. I said, no, they're. New day starts at 12 midnight.
- [60:56]
Ed Mylett
That's right.
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Mikey Garcia
That's a new day. All right. What are you waiting for?
- [61:02]
Ed Mylett
And even if you tell them, hey, MJ did this, Kobe did this, if they don't have it, they don't have it.
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Mikey Garcia
They don't have it.
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Ed Mylett
Do you think it's a lack of obsession like you said, you've referenced a couple times, like, sleep at night, your bed doesn't sleep, and all that. One of the things that I'll be honest with, there's a lot in the book that hit me. And you guys go get the book winning. Tim Grover. Real simple. Get it anywhere. Books are sold. But there's this part of the book, man, like, it almost made me cry audibly reading it. But I did get water in my eyes, and I'm gonna get water even explaining it to you, where you're talking about being asleep and that you get these visitors at night. And I know those visitors very, very well. I have them, too. It's attached to my obsessions. And I don't think. I don't think the average person who wants to really win understands the extent and degree of obsession required.
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Mikey Garcia
They don't.
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Ed Mylett
So can you elaborate on that, visitors that you get at night?
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Mikey Garcia
Everybody thinks obsession is a bad word. It's not. I love to use the people I. You're a great example, Ed. Why, why keep going? Look at the house. Not only this house, the other house and the other house and the plane. And if people pay very close attention to what was just said probably about 20 minutes ago. What did you say? I don't consider my. I don't know if I consider myself a winner. That's obsession. That's obsession. And I love to use your plain story as an example. You went from a very nice sized plane to even a bigger plane, but it's still not your 747.
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Ed Mylett
That's right.
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Mikey Garcia
It's not your 747. All right. That's an obsession. That's a healthy obsession. That's what gets you out of bed. That's what allows you to. When you get out of bed, when all the skeletons are lined up next to you and telling you, you can't do this, you're not able to do this. You're not able to do this. You get up every single morning and you shake their hands and give them a hug and say, yep, what do you got for me tonight, exactly? I got you because you're a part of me. You're a part of me. And people put some. It's funny, winners bring all of them wherever they go. And most individuals, the best part of them, the thing that allows them to win, the thing that allows them to be obsessive, the thing that allows them not to care what other people think. The things that allow them to deal with hatred, the things that keep them going when nothing else will. They keep in their closets. The best part of them, they keep in their. Because they're worried. What are people going to think about me if I let those things out? Don't I always say this? All right. No. Everyone says I'm afraid to become that person. Yeah, you should be more afraid not to become that person. Be afraid not to become that person. You're a big thing about, you know, meet. I want. At the end of the journey, I want to meet my better half and say, hey, what did you leave behind? Or was like, hey, this is the person.
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Ed Mylett
Shake hands with them.
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Mikey Garcia
Shake hands with him. If you can't become that person, you're never going to be able to shake that person's hand.
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Ed Mylett
Yeah, I'd much rather I live in more fear of. I live in way more fear of not becoming that person than I am about not trying to be him big time. But I do have. I want to stay on this for a minute. I get these visitors at night, too, that you get. So I don't want people to think that winning is all, like, rosy and glory and beautiful.
- [65:02]
Mikey Garcia
It's nothing.
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Ed Mylett
It's really not. And I'm not even. You have to know this. Here's the real. I've never said this on the show. You have to really know these truths so that you can actually decide you still want to win.
- [65:17]
Mikey Garcia
Yes.
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Ed Mylett
Right. Because what does come with becoming this way now at 50, and you're 56 or 56. 56. You look great. I've had 50 years of having these visitors in my life, and they're not going away, Ed.
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Mikey Garcia
They're not. That's what everybody wants to do. People just want to sweep them under the rug. They want to keep them in the closet. They don't want to talk about them. That's what makes you successful. That's what makes you special. That's what makes you different. And what do we say? Different scares people. Winners and winning scares people. And they don't want to win because of that. They're trying to win. They're trying to balance. They're trying to fit in. What do winners do? Very few of them have balance in their life. Maybe after they become successful, they try to balance a little bit more. All right. There is no balance early. They don't care what other people thinks. They're extremely obsessive. They know it. And they don't mind telling you that they're chasing the next win because that's what fuels them. But when you people come to, you say you've had enough, You've had. You know why? Slow down. Slow down, unwind. I don't know about you. I do know about you. I should say that we are at our most uncomfortable when people tell us to unwind. We like to be wound up. That's like, a part of that. We have our unique ways of unwinding. We don't need anybody to tell us to unwind.
- [67:00]
Ed Mylett
My favorite way of unwinding is having some tequila with a buddy of mine who's another winner and talking about doing more winning.
- [67:05]
Mikey Garcia
Right.
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Ed Mylett
I was on Andy's show, and I said, winning is more fun than fun is fun. I remember that, and I just really believe that, like, actually what I like, like. I like the pursuit of winning. I like the. I like. I like that. I sincerely don't feel that way about myself. Because I'm scared. If I did. Like, I'm scared of these visitors that I have are my fears, my worries, my hopes, my thoughts. My skeletons.
- [67:32]
Mikey Garcia
Yeah. You know, they take all those forms. They take all those forms, and you don't know what form they're going to take that night. And you know what? They're going to sit at you with the table. They're all. They're not going to. I put this in a book. When you travel, those skeletons are traveling with you on the plane.
- [67:49]
Ed Mylett
They're my constant companion all the time. And if.
- [67:52]
Mikey Garcia
If you notice everyone looks at you and you fly on that plane alone. I have said, ed's never been on that plane alone.
- [67:58]
Ed Mylett
It's true. It's true.
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Mikey Garcia
He's never been on that plane alone.
- [68:01]
Ed Mylett
They're with me all the time.
- [68:03]
Mikey Garcia
All the time. And you know what? When they look at his tequila bottles on the thing and they're finished, that's because they're drinking the best stuff.
- [68:10]
Ed Mylett
Also, I wonder who's drinking all that stuff. Man. Stuff gets expensive. I just love this because this is the realest conversation I've ever had about reeling, winning, and it's the realest book about it. Like. Like, it's. I don't. This isn't one of these Pollyanna things. Like, it's not all rosy. No, there's a lot of it that sucks. And, like, unless you want to sign up. And by the way, I don't know if you really. I'm actually cool. If you don't, like, if you actually said, hey, I don't want all that stuff. I don't wanna. I mean, I don't relate to you. I'm not gonna hang out with you. You're not my kind of people. But I'd actually admit somebody who says, I won't do these things that are in this book, and I know I'm not going to win. Rather than say, I want to win and do none of the things that are in the book, the people that.
- [68:53]
Mikey Garcia
Can admit it, they've already won. The people that said, this ain't for me. This ain't for me, they're saying they know exactly who they are. I'm good. I'm good. Most people will settle for good. Most people will settle for. Okay, all right. Very few people will settle for great. Very few people will settle for unstoppable. Very few people will settle for winning. I break things down three different ways. So look at this. And I didn't put this in a book, but I Want to share. I want to share this with you. You have individuals that compete. Everybody competes. You know, you play golf. You love golf.
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Ed Mylett
Sure.
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Mikey Garcia
You know, you go out and your golfing partner, I don't know what's his real name?
- [69:35]
Ed Mylett
His real name is. Is Kelly Gwynn. We call him Richard Cabeza. Dick Cabeza is head in Spanish.
- [69:40]
Mikey Garcia
I got it.
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Ed Mylett
Everyone that's wondering what. That's his name, because half the people don't know. That's what.
- [69:45]
Mikey Garcia
Richard Cabeza, everybody knows him. He's going to be signing autographs.
- [69:49]
Ed Mylett
He goes out now. People like, I love you in my line, man. Can I get your. He's had people take pictures with him. It's awesome.
- [69:55]
Mikey Garcia
You know, so. And I'll get into it a little bit later about that. But there's people that compete, all right? There's. Everybody knows how to compete at something, all right? And for most people, when they compete, they want to get to the. They want to just finish. That's their win. They just want to finish. All right? Now, to me, if you're that level person, is that finish going to lead to another win? It might not be. It might be in something else. If you gonna run a marathon, all right? And you're not one of these top elite marathon run. You're not gonna win the marathon.
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Ed Mylett
Right.
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Mikey Garcia
You're not gonna win, but you have a mindset to say, hey, I'm gonna finish this marathon. Now, is that when you finish that marathon? What else is it setting you up for? But there's people that go in there, they're just happy. They're just happy competing. They're just happy finishing. They're just happy to be in the race. Then you have people that win once. They win once.
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David Goggins
Yeah.
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Mikey Garcia
And how many individuals do you know? And you probably don't. Well, well, I shouldn't say this. I said, you know, not associate with. There's a big difference that keep telling you about that win over and over again, no matter how long it's been.
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Ed Mylett
Gosh, factoid. All right, I got it, man. You were quarterback in high school. Yes, I got it. You got your masters, all right?
- [71:14]
Mikey Garcia
Then you have individuals that win at winning.
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Ed Mylett
That's really good.
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Mikey Garcia
Win at winning. So they win over and over and over again.
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Ed Mylett
You think it's. You think it's all it's cracked up to be?
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Mikey Garcia
No, but we don't know any other way.
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Ed Mylett
Best answer of all time.
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Mikey Garcia
Very similar, everybody. We just. We don't know any other way.
- [71:41]
Ed Mylett
Best answer of all time.
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Mikey Garcia
We just. We can't accept. We can't accept it any other way. We just can't. I wrote a best selling book. I didn't have to do another book. You wrote a best selling book, right. You know, you have another bad. You have another book coming out. You don't, you don't have to do any of this. But if you didn't, that would be more detrimental to you. You don't know what. You don't know any other. You don't know any other way. Yeah, you just. You just don't.
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Ed Mylett
Yep. You think that. By the way, I'm loving this just so you know, because I know people that might be listening. This is a little bit dark. Like, welcome to winning. Like, that's why you see so many people. I watched Nick Saban after he wins these national championships, he's gotten a little bit better at it the last couple years. Have you noticed this? Yeah, just a little bit like 1% better.
- [72:40]
Mikey Garcia
You know what his either his wife or somebody, his family at least smile.
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Ed Mylett
For the interview after. Right. We can get back to work tonight. But you watch these prolific winners. So I did love to watch MJ celebrate that win in the evening that he won. Right. Or you know, the few times I saw Kobe actually celebrate the win. But I know the next day they're back to work. I watch a Saban and like for years he'd win these national championships and you could already see the grimace on his face for the next year in the post game interview.
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Mikey Garcia
Yes.
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Ed Mylett
Right. And like I think people look at, they go, well then is he? And I think to your answer, you're right. Like people say, well, is he really enjoying this? Yes. And he knows no other way. So maybe it's not all. I wonder if you ask, is it all it's cracked up to be? I think some people might say no, but it's all I know. And it's better than the all alternative of living with losing the rest of my life or not trying.
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Mikey Garcia
Yes.
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Ed Mylett
Right.
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Mikey Garcia
There's a reason it's lonely at the top and it's not because you want to be surrounded with other individuals. That's not the part. People, when they talk about it's lonely at the top, it's alone because nobody understands what's going on. And hear of what you went after you've just won what you went through and you're already thinking about the next. You're already thinking about the next and people can't comprehend that. And there's people whispering in your ear and they're saying, enjoy it. Enjoy. By the time they say enjoy it, you did enjoy it. Now you're already thinking, yeah.
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Ed Mylett
Do you think it's that? I'm just thinking right now, I'm asking you this because you watched this and you've done it in your own life. Like, you've. You. You've had two careers. You've had a career where you helped, which you still do, where you help other people win. And then there became this point in your life where you became. You were individually winning, as a speaker, as a coach, as a writer. It's an interesting thing to watch with you. You were the behind the scenes guy, then you weren't the behind the scenes guy. Do you think that it's like a dopamine thing? Like, when they win, like, they're already. They. I have to get another one like, immediately. It's an addiction. Do you think winning becomes an addiction?
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Mikey Garcia
It is an addiction. And the only place where you can get that high again is the black market. In your mind, it's the only place because you only know where that entrance is. You only know where that hit is. You only know what that drug. You only know what that drug is. And here's the crazy part about it. The next win has to be bigger. It has to be bigger. It has to be bigger. It has to constantly keep getting bigger and bigger and bigger.
- [75:19]
David Goggins
So true.
- [75:21]
Ed Mylett
It sounds like a sickness when you're listening to this, but I actually think it's beautiful. I actually think you were born to win. And you learn over a lifetime how not to. As a child, don't do this. Sit down, be a good boy. Get in your place. Do this. Then the world starts treating you, and I think you move further and further away from your own nature. I think we were born to win. We were born to do something great with our life. I really, I don't. That's a saying to me. And I feel a sadness when I meet somebody who's accepted a life of not winning. By the way, I'm cool with it. It's okay. I'm not judging you. But as someone who wants to pursue that expression of myself or that I just wonder what I would be like, you know, if I could. What it would would be like, what I would be like if I could get to the next level. I'm fascinated with, like, I think the people that I really like, enjoy. They're curious people. Like, I want the next experience. I don't want to live in the previous experience. Like, that guy was like, hey, you know, I made a million dollars in 2009. And it was like in the mortgage boom or the crash or whatever. I'm not really interested in living in those. In those times.
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Mikey Garcia
You're not. Because it's always about. It's always about what's next. It's always about constantly staying in the range. It's constantly about changing your mindset. The language of winning for people that win is completely different than the language of winning from other individuals. No, you sit here and you talk to people and they describe. When I talk to all my athletes, I said describe winning in one word to me. And everybody would think about, you know, they would be like, it's happy. It's, you know, it's euphoric. It's all those things. And it is. But those constant winters, their answers were, it's unpolished, it's uncivilized, it's nasty, it's hard, it's dirty, it's unforgiving. And then Kobe comes up and says, it's everything. It's everything. And if you think about it, and very few people are genuine about this, and you know the ones that are. You know the ones that aren't. How do you feel when somebody's really close to you and they win? It's an unbelievable feeling.
- [77:42]
Ed Mylett
Unbelievable feeling.
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Mikey Garcia
How do you feel when you win? Unbelievable feeling. Even though it's short lived. How do you feel when. When your kids win? It's unbelievable.
- [77:53]
Ed Mylett
Yeah.
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Mikey Garcia
All right. That feeling is everything.
- [77:58]
Ed Mylett
It is everything.
- [77:59]
Mikey Garcia
That feeling is everything.
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Ed Mylett
It's amazing. You just said that. I'm reading the book last night and I called my wife about halfway through the book. Because when you read your work, you know, even in the first book, you talk about. In this book. The most controversial part of the first book was the dark side.
- [78:15]
Mikey Garcia
Yes.
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Ed Mylett
You talk about it in this book, and then when you're reading this, you're like, this. Winning things mean. This winning thing's unforgiving. This winning thing doesn't give a shit if you sleep. This winning thing doesn't care. Right? Like, you go through it like she. This is almost. And I. And if you're not careful, guys, you would think because this is truth, it flies in the face. Everything you always hear. But you would think that it's not something that you really want. And the evidence of it, I said to my wife last night, I said, the evidence that, you know, winning is where you belong, is how happy you are when you see your children doing it. If you have children, when your children win a spelling bee or get straight a's or hit a home run or win a golf tournament or do anything exceptional, the amount of joy you feel and pride when they win. I have a feeling that that's how God feels when he sees one of his children win. And I think this is something we all miss, that it is a grind. It is difficult. But if you ever wonder whether you belong winning and that's the path you should pursue, just ask yourself a question about your children. If you have them or your parents or anybody that you love and care about when they win, how do you feel for them? I literally said this last night.
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Mikey Garcia
So I've heard you speak numerous times. And what people don't know about this, like, when we're on the stage together at this same event, I'll stay just.
- [79:28]
Ed Mylett
To hear you speak. Vice versa, as you know.
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Mikey Garcia
You know, I will stay. The last time I heard you speak was at an event and you were talking about a golf tournament. You were with. With your son.
- [79:37]
Ed Mylett
With Max.
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Mikey Garcia
Yeah, with Max.
- [79:40]
Ed Mylett
It's an intense story. Yeah. It was from playing golf to winning. Yes, that was the decision, like, to your point, like your book. And by the way, I've said this earlier in the interview. Little words from people, a caring statement, a little bit of access to some information. And I've said this many times. Just haven't said it to you, but, like, I think because, you know, I've had people say, oh, your son gets all your stuff. And, yeah, he also has talked to Grover. He's also talked to Grover. And just so you guys know, I really, truly believe that one of the reasons that my son is excelling is you and your information. Little whispers you get, a little direct message, little text message, a little access to a call like you've done for my son. And I think that's the other thing that people don't know. Winners are generous.
- [80:23]
Mikey Garcia
Extremely generous, extreme. You know why? Because they're truthful. They tell you how it is. It's not rainbows, it's not unicorns, it's not sprinkles. This is what it takes. This is what it takes. And other people, they don't want to. We talk about the stuff nobody else wants to talk about. Does that make us bad people? In many people's eyes, it does. But also, we're the few people that are going to hold you accountable. We're going to tell you the truth, and people are going to say, you know what? Everybody else sugarcoated it. These individuals told me exactly how it is. That's what the book Winning is about. Now, I don't want people to think that it's all this thing. If you read the last chapter of the book, it kind of ties everything in, and it explains why winners go through this journey.
- [81:22]
Ed Mylett
Yep.
- [81:24]
Mikey Garcia
Why they go through this journey. Because I have this thing. It's like everyone talks about. It's the journey. It's journey. It's not the destination. Well, to me, why the hell are you taking a journey if you don't know where the hell the destination is? What are you just aimlessly going to be running around? All right, Every time when you get on your plane or you get in your car, you know exactly you're going from here to here. Now, you may have to take a detour to go somewhere else to do whatever you're doing, but you like, this is where we're going. You had a post a couple of days ago, man, it's nice to own a jet, because all of a sudden, I got to go wherever. Wherever your destination was.
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Ed Mylett
Yeah. I'm fired up about today's show because we're getting right into what it takes to win, and that is this. Write this down. One more, one more. See, I accepted a long time ago. I wasn't the smartest, the best looking, the fast enough with the best background, the most connections. I didn't have any of those things. What I could control was my work ethic. You've heard me speak many times about outworking everybody, but I think that just feels good when we hear it. But most people don't take it seriously. If you think that I have a little bit of success in my life, I can tell you what I attribute it to. Yes. Self confidence. Yes. Mindset, visualization goals. All the things I talk about all the time. Listening skills influence, energy transfer, how to be happier. All of that stuff applies when you get to winning. For me, it's come down to maxing out. And what maxing out means is you do one more at least than you think you're capable of. So when you're done, whatever you're doing, whether it's at the gym or phone calls or meetings or instructions, sports, one more shot, one more throw, one more swing of the golf club or the baseball bat. The separator is for the winners. They do one more. I'm addicted to one more. And so I want your mantra going forward to be one more. What does that look like? If we're working out, that means when we're in the gym and we say, I'm going to do five sets of 10, I'm crazy, like I'm a psycho. Because I want to win, I want to be somebody. I want to separate, I want to compete. And the way I do that isn't with my giftedness because I wasn't born with a bunch of gifts. And I think gifts are crap. I think for the most part, gifted people struggle in life because things come easy to them. I like that things haven't come easy for me in my life. I like they don't have natural talents in every area. And maybe you like that about you too. Maybe you've looked at yourself all your life and thought, man, I don't have that natural beauty or that natural talent or this gift for creativity or anything, intellect or humor. I don't have any of those things. But what I got is, I will outwork you. And so at the gym, one of the things I focus on, they say it's five sets of 10. When I'm at 10, I go one more. Bam. 11. If I'm running on the treadmill and it's a 45 minute run, I never finish at 45, I always go one more minute, 46. If I'm at the office and I'm supposed to make 25 phone calls that day, when I'm at the end of the day, I always do one more. If I've got meetings, I always do one more. My mantra for three decades in business has been one more. Why? Because we get out of life what we think we deserve. And I'm the kind of guy that I know, when you do 45 minutes on the treadmill and I do 46, I deserve to be fitter. I know that when I'm lifting weights and I watch you do five sets of 10, and every single time I do one more, when it's a set of five, I do six. When it's a set of eight, I do nine. When it's 45 on the treadmill, I do 46. When it's supposed to be 20 phone calls, I make 21. When it's supposed to be an eight hour work day, I work nine. Whatever it is, I always do one more. And what that does is it makes me eventually think I'm doing things other people aren't willing to do, so I should get things other people aren't going to get. And if you go to the root of the things I believe philosophically about winning, the people that win, the great athletes that I coach, when I watch the really gifted golfer and the one who actually wins, the gifted golfer, they do what they're supposed to do. You never know. They weren't working hard. It's not like people don't work hard. Everybody works hard. That's a given now. But what's the separator to where you become the maxed out version of. You see the gifted golfer, they hit their hundred balls because they're supposed to. But the not so gifted one that ends up winning, they hit 101 or 110 or 120. I watch them on the driving range and you can hear them say, one more, one more. What's the difference between Kobe Bryant and other gifted NBA players when he played, or Michael Jordan when they played? Or right now, Kevin Durant, people tell me, or Steph Curry, they're constantly, when everyone else is done shooting in the gym, they say one more. Larry Bird was legendary for one more, one more. The people that would throw the passes to him, the ball guys and practice, he always wants more. He always wants more. The great hitters that I know, the Mike Trouts and mlb, they're gifted, but they just take a little more. They take that extra batting practice, that extra session, they're always doing extra. That's the separator. Like you can learn all this stuff, you can digest all the tactics, information that I give out, but if you're not willing to do one more, eventually there's a part of you that says, maybe, maybe I don't deserve it. I'm just doing what everybody else is doing. And that's not good enough. It's not even good enough to do more than everybody else. It's your maxed out level. It's one more of everything. And so whether that's a phone call, an email, a text, an appointment, one more time, you tell your spouse you love them one more time, you go in and kiss your children good night, one more hug of somebody, one more phone call, one more everything. I want you theme to be one more. Have I said that enough times for you today? So what's that really look like in application? Well, the second thing it does for you is you actually do more reps of whatever it is you're doing. And when we do more repetitions, we get better. And when we do more repetitions, we're more productive. So number one is the psychology part. If you're someone who's always doing things other people aren't willing to do, you always max out. You always go to the next level. You convince yourself you deserve to win. You can take low self esteem, low identity, low confidence, and change it over time by building this habitual addiction to doing one more, this obsession of one more. All the greats do one more and all the average don't. It's not that the average don't work hard. It's not that the average at your company, they don't. It's not. They don't work hard. They probably work pretty hard. But do they always do extra? Do they always do one more? Do they always do 10 more if they need to? Do they always get after it. The other part of it, number two, is you just get better because of the reps. You're just doing more of something. You get better, you get stronger. You become a better phone caller when you make one more phone call every day. You become a better communicator when you do one more meeting every single day. You get better at coordination in your sport or at the gym by just doing more reps. Yes, you get better. So that's the second layer. But the third one is you stack the odds in your favor. See, for me, I want the odds that I'm going to win to increase the larger numbers we play in life, in every area. More is always better. People tell you more isn't always better. And almost everything more is better, just so you know. And almost everything people who tell you more isn't better in most things are lazy and they try to justify their own weakness. Don't let people who are justifying their own weakness convince you that you working hard, you doing more, isn't the pathway to your success. People say, well, you got to work smarter, not harder. That's a lie. Because everybody who wins works smarter. The separator is who works harder. And by the way, we become smarter through working harder. All the new revelations, all the breakthroughs, all the new discoveries always come when you're doing one more always come through more repetitions. You find new ways, new strategies, new words, new keys by higher repetitions. So even if you believe working smarter is more important, you will become smarter by doing more. So if you work 300 days a year, let's just say 300 days a year, that's 300 more phone calls every single year. Over five years, that's 1500 more contacts. 1500 more contacts. Just think about that, just for a second. Over 30 years, that's 9,000 more contacts. What are the odds the person who makes 9,000 more contacts or even 300 more a year going to win? You give me two average people that walk in a room, same ability, same skills, same backgrounds, same product. One of them makes 300 more contacts a year than the other one. Who's going to win? We know. How about over five years, one of them makes 1500 more contacts over five years. Who's going to win over a lifetime? 30 years of work, one makes 9,9000 more contacts. Who's going to win? You stack the odds in your favor. Never mind the person who made the 9,000 more contacts is better. They've got more reps, they've got more confidence. They believe they deserve to win. They just have 9,000 more opportunities. How about a golfer? One of them makes 300 more swings a year. A year. And that's just one more swing a day, right? And over five years, 1500 more, 9000 over lifetime. Who's more likely to win? So you pick anything you want. You begin to stack the odds in your favor. How about at the gym? If every day you went one more minute in your cardio, so it's supposed to be 45, you do 46, do you know what that starts to do to you? You start knowing you're different. You start knowing you obliterate standards. You start knowing you can break through. When you break through an artificial barrier, like 45 minutes, you do one more, it sets a catalyst for your entire day. It sets a syntax, it sets a mindset for the rest of your life. Never mind the fact that if you do 300 more minutes, which is 9,000 more over your lifetime, who's going to be more fit? So you begin to stack these things, and your entire life changes. This is what I like to call compound pounding. Most people underestimate what time can do when backed up with massive activity. Right as I'm speaking to you, I'm looking out at the ocean right now, and there's a massive rock formation. And you can see the rivets and the rocks. And what caused those rivets and the rocks was compound pounding of the ocean hitting that rock over and over and over again, over and over, compound pounding against that rock. And over time, that ocean breaks the rock down. Over time, where you can see the breakdown in a rock that water does hitting it. Think about that over time, not one time when the water hits it, not two times, not five times. When you add up years and years and years of that water hitting the rock, it breaks it down. And that's like getting through to your dream. You have to be like that water hitting the rock I'm staring at right now. That over time, that compound pounding breaks down the barriers, breaks down the obstacles, breaks down anything in your way of getting to Your dream. So I'm sold out on all the strategies and tactics that I teach you. But what I believe in completely is the power of compound pounding. And here's the crazy thing about most people. They will give up on their dream before the compounding has been allowed to kick in. So they'll work at it, and they'll work at it, and they'll work at it, and they don't see the breakthrough. But what they don't understand is that rock was getting ready to break. If you just keep pounding against it. But because most people don't see the evidence, see, if you watch that water hit that rock over one day, you're going to see no difference. Two days, no difference. Five days, no difference. Maybe even a year. There's no difference, maybe even five years. But you have the compound pounding of every wave hitting that rock over and over again. There's an inevitability to the breakdown of the rock. That's true of your goals and dreams as well. There's an inevitability to success. It's not a matter of if. It's a matter of when. When we adopt one more. When we adopt compound pounding. Do you know the kind of confidence you begin to have when you just accept in your life that I am going to be relentless, I'm always going to do extra. And you accept the fact that all things break down over time. All the barriers will go away, all the obstacles will go away. Everything in your way will go away if you keep after it over an extended period of time. Most people overestimate what they can do in a year. They do. They set up goals for a year, and they overestimate where they're going to get to. And they dramatically underestimate what they can do in a decade. And the reason for that is most people don't understand the power of compound pounding. So I want you to accept today that you're going to be relentless, that you're going to keep coming, that you're like a dripping faucet. You're like those waves hitting the rock. Other people are going to get slowed down. Other people are going to take a break. Other people are. Are going to flinch. Other people are going to cool it. Other people are going to believe they've made it, or maybe some people are going to believe they can't make it. But you're going to be relentless. You're going to be repetitious. You may not be the fastest, you may not be the smartest, you may not be the strongest. You may not Be the most beautiful. You may not have the most articulate thoughts and ideas in the world, but what you got is compound pounding. What you got is one more. And when they get weak, you just keep company. When they flinch, you blow their doors off. That's. That's how you win in life, is you keep getting after it and keep getting after it until the job gets done. So a lot of people can be excited for a day, they can be excited for a month. Some people can be excited for a year or two or three years. But the winners, they stay excited as long as it takes to get the job done. They keep after it until the job gets done. They never stop. They're always after it. And that's where their strength comes from, that's where their confidence comes from, is knowing their capacity to keep coming at you and that all your competition is going to get weak. They're going to get tired, they're going to surrender, they're going to give in, they're going to think they made it, they're going to take a break, they're going to cool it, and you just keep coming. It's just nature. Just like the nature of the ocean against that rock. It's just nature that you run down your dream, that you knock down your dream. I want you to implement all the things that I teach on max out, all the tactics, all the strategies. But more than anything, I want you to buy into the fact of an inevitability of you winning, that it's inevitable, that it might not be a year or two years or three years, but you're going to stay excited and you're going to keep doing one more until the job gets done. Today's message is very simple. You can win, you should win, and you will win. I want you to feel this. You will win if you just keep coming, you keep getting after it, you keep doing one more. You can control this. You can't control all the exterior things in your life. People, attitudes, how they treat you, who cancels on you, who changes their mind, who hates on you, who lets you down. But you can control this. You can always go 46 instead of 45. You can always go 11 instead of 10. You can always make the next phone call, always do one more meeting, always do one more. Always, always, always. And I promise you, you will knock down that rock that's in between you and your dream and make them come true. Today's really simple. You're going to knock down whatever that rock is that's been between you and your dream, you're going to keep after it. You're going to be relentless, Relentless. You're not going to give in. You're going to be the person who stays excited until the entire job gets done, until that dream is real and, you know, long term. All these other people, they're going to flinch, they're going to get weak and you won't. You've adopted a max out mindset. And I want to remind you today to stay connected with me. I want you to win. Hope. You can feel it today. I want to break it down to its most simple form, which is that you use nature to your advantage. You use the force of, you, the force of effort, the force of sustained effort over an extended period of time to wear out the obstacles in front of you. In your dream, I want you to feel the confidence that comes with that. I'm telling you, look at me, listen to me. You're going to do this. You're going to win. If, and it's a big if, if you'll just adopt it, it ought to be written everywhere. One more, one more max out, everywhere you can put it. It's inevitable. It's not if anymore, it's just when. This is the Eddie Milan Show.