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Ed Mylett
So hey guys, listen, we're all trying to get more productive and the question is, how do you find a way to get an edge? I'm a big believer that if you're getting mentoring or you're in an environment that causes growth, a growth based environment that you're much more likely to grow and you're going to grow faster. And that's why I love Growth Day. Growth Day is an app that my friend Brendan Burchard has created that I'm a big fan of. Write this down growthday.com forward/ed. So if you want to be more productive, by the way, he's asked me, I post videos in there every single Monday that gets your day off to the right start. Got about $5,000, $10,000 worth of courses that are in there that come with the app. Also, some of the top influencers in the world are all posting content in there on a regular basis, like having the avengers of personal development and business in one app. And I'm honored that he asked me to be a part of it as well and contribute on a weekly basis. And I do. So go over there and get signed up. You're going to get a free tuition, free voucher to go to an event with Brendan and myself and a bunch of other influencers as well. So you get a free event out of it also. So go to growthday.com forward/ed. That's growthday.comed. this episode is brought to you by Progressive Insurance. Fiscally responsible financial geniuses, monetary magicians. These are things people say about drivers who switch their car insurance to Progressive and save hundreds because Progressive offers discounts for paying in full, owning a home and more. Plus you can count on their great customer service to help you when you need it. So your dollar goes a long way. Visit progressive.com to see if you could save on car insurance. Progressive Casualty Insurance company and affiliates. Potential savings will vary. Not available in all states or situations. This is the Ed Milan show. Welcome to the show everybody. So as we do every month, highest rated shows we do, I am joined by my great friend Brendan Brichard. And today we are going to talk about leadership and things maybe you've never heard before regarding leadership. Before we do it though, you didn't know I was going to do this, but I want to mention this to you. You and I are doing an entire day together. It's Brendan has an unbelievable group called Ultra. He's asked me to come spend the entire day with him on April 6th and I know everybody would at least at least want to know the opportunity in front of them. So if people wanted to come spend a day with you and I, April 6, Austin, Texas, and a host of other great people as well, in an immersive experience, where do they go to at least get the info on it?
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Brendon Burchard
Brother, Go to Ultra vip. And, man, I'm so excited about that. So few people get to be in a room with just you and me in a smaller type setting. And I think that this topic of leadership will show why a lot they need to understand right now because of AI and because how the future is rolling out. Your ability to lead right now is your highest value asset outside of mastering your inner world and your relationships.
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Ed Mylett
By the way, welcome to the show.
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Brendon Burchard
Thank you, brother. Man, I'm so. I'm fired up today. We're jumping right in.
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Ed Mylett
So am I. Look at. If you're on YouTube, look at the view behind this guy, man. It's pretty awesome. If you're not, he is sitting right on top of the vineyard that he lives on, by the way. You all should get that metaphorical vineyard of your life as well. And one of the ways you're going to get there is through leadership. And so we're gonna have a great discussion. Heavy on Brendan today, light on me, because he's the guy that I want to ask most of the questions to. But we always go back and forth when we do the show together. Here's a hard one. Someone just asked me this actually not too long ago, an interview I was in. What do you believe about leadership now that you didn't used to believe?
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Brendon Burchard
Most people don't want to be led and most people don't want to be leaders. Those who want to be led and those who want to be leaders have an unfair advantage. I didn't believe that before. I used to think people want to be led, you know, they want to be part of something that is important. But what I've learned in psychology and high performance is it is true most people want a meaningful pursuit and most people want fellowship on that meaningful pursuit. So those are the two things that most people actually want related to leadership. Like, I want to pursue something that's purposeful and meaningful and joyful and passionate. And I want to do it with people who are awesome. So that's meaningful pursuits and fellowship. However, most people need an incredible level of autonomy within that. They rebel against the leader a little bit now. They want to be on that meaningful pursuit, but they want to have a lot of control, a lot of input, a lot of their own choices. And that level of autonomy has only gone up over a period of time. And so, you see, you'd have the follower who just, like, you know, maybe a little more passive, a little bit more like, hey, I want to be led. Show me the way. You're great. You have competency, or you've been there, or, I believe in this mission, but I don't want to take charge. Now. A lot of people, they actually really want to be independent in their striving.
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Ed Mylett
And so how does that change the way you lead then?
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Brendon Burchard
5 words is my biggest 5 words in all of leadership training, and that is people support what they create. People support what they create. What this means is they need to be part of creating that vision more than ever. They need to have autonomy in how to go after that thing more than ever. You and I came up in a time it was more of, like, mentorship, and maybe you were an intern or an apprentice, and there was a master leader who kind of showed you the way and told you the values and the ethics. And it was more you being like a student, and then the leader was the teacher. Now it's more like the leader is the facilitator, the collaborator. And it's less about giving a person a vision than enlisting them in finding out their vision. Because if they have skin in the game of creating that vision and skin in the game of determining how to go after it, they're way more engaged. Because you and I also live in a world right now, and I know every leader is listening right now. Every leader has had that person who was quietly quitting. Every person has had that person who's disengaged, detached, not part of it. And my first question isn't ever is like, hey, is it the wrong person or are they lazy? It's tell me how involved they were in determining where to go and how to go. Because if. If they got to create that and be part of that conversation, that dialogue, that discussion, those decisions, then they're like, I'm all in this. I got skin in the game. If they didn't, they're like, yeah, dude, stop bossing me around.
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Ed Mylett
Wow, maybe we meet in the middle on this. I used to say, you have to sell a big enough vision. It's got to be a big vision. If you're a leader. I still believe that if you love to buy into what this means, where we're going, what it's going to look like when we get there. Well, the caveat to it, I have always said, is it's got to sell a big enough dream that the dreams of everybody within your stewardship, they see their dream fitting inside the one you're selling. I love and I think, I think the B is what you're saying. I think a lot of leaders like, all right, I got it vision, it's in every leadership book. Got to cast the vision. But they are not investing the time to have that person buy into the vision, nor are they even clear on what that person's vision and dream is for their own life.
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Brendon Burchard
Absolutely. That really works when the leader has this long term vision. Where I can describe this long term vision, I can get everybody as we go their dream incorporated that long term vision. But you talk to anybody I know you talk to more people than I do, especially on the show. Most leaders right now, they can't see a year or two out because of AI and technology and politics and the pace of change. And so it has to be more collaborative and creative together today than it ever has been before because that, you know, that single individual whose heroism enables them to enlighten the way that's harder to do now when you can't see out a month, two or five because of AI and technology. So I think it becomes much more conversational and much more in the moment versus like huge visions. We're going on shorter term quests together.
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Ed Mylett
Very good. This is so good. By the way. You ain't hearing this anywhere else. What's the application look like? If I am a realtor and I got a team of eight agents that work for me or I'm a CEO, list of this, I've got 46 people or I'm a three person store somewhere. The application of that, like the day to day, how does that look? Are you doing little retreats where you're talking about these things? Is it just like, like you said, it's on the fly. You're bumping into their office and talking. Do you have any structures you've put in place? You know me, I always look at what's the system or a way of going about doing that that might be also meeting these modern times.
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Brendon Burchard
Yeah, I think the general rule is the less creative you need to be, the less you need to meet or strategize. So if the strategy is clear, the path is clear, the method is clear, the process is clear, you don't have to meet that much. But if things are shifting and changing quite a bit, the more dynamic it is, the more discussion needed to calibrate. And so this is why, you know, why does A coach need to be on the sideline in football. Like, why does that person need to be there and call every play with the team? Doesn't make any sense unless you realize the game is that dynamic. Otherwise, give them the playbook. Hey, hey, boys. Go out there and kick some butt. But no, they have to be on headset and have conversations between every single play because the game is dynamic. So, see, the conversation goes up, the more dynamic the game is.
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Ed Mylett
Oh, very good, Brennan. That's exactly, you know, what old school leadership is sort of like, here's the playbook, here's the vision. We're going. We'll meet again every quarter. And you're saying business now, today is play by play because of the way things are changing and evolving. That's really good.
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Brendon Burchard
And, dude, think about it. They're going home after they're supposed to do your process or the playbook or whatever, and now they're being engaged by 50 other things that are more emotional on their phone. And so each day, it's not just about, you know, strategy and process and, you know, structure. Each day you have to emotionally enroll people more than you ever did. The more dynamic it is now, again, you might only need to talk to them once a week if the process is really clear and there's structure there.
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Ed Mylett
But.
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Brendon Burchard
But, you know, I run a huge sales team, and you have done as well. It's like, used to be. It's like, hey, guys, here's the script. Here's a thousand phone numbers. Go rock it. You can't do that now. You gotta have standup meetings. You gotta. You can have daily debriefs. And a lot of that is more of the emotional enrollment to keep people engaged in processes today, because most things are kind of boring versus what they can go home with their video games, their phone. So. So that human interaction in that dynamic thing. I know this sounds a little philosophical, but I'm just here to say, leaders, you probably have to engage people more than you think you do on a more emotional level and more consistently the more dynamic and change is happening. And I just think change is happening really fast right now. You gotta be talking to your people.
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Ed Mylett
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Brendon Burchard
I love it.
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Ed Mylett
Yeah.
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Brendon Burchard
This is why you and I are best friends. The reason people come to our events is because the energy, I mean, you can look stuff up on the Internet, but when you get in a room or environment that is elevated, that has the ability to go deeper, but also literally lift, you feel more human. And I think that that is more important than in relationships and leadership than it ever has been before. People are not responsible for their energy today. They're very detached, they're very judgmental, they're very narcissistic, they're very critical and cynical. And I don't judge any of those things. Those happen to all of us. I think it's just a matter of people to understand how much energy transference really does happen. Even in a call or conversation like this, I always leave our calls fired up. Every time I talk Ed, I'm like, wow. Because true, because he knows there's this dynamic transference happening between us two here, but also you, the audience, listening or watching. Like we're aware of the energy we're bringing into the space. And that's why Ed's one of the highest paid, you know, public speakers in the world is his energy on stage matches his storytelling capability.
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Ed Mylett
By the way, here's how right you are about our events. Can I just say interject and I'll let you go back. Please do. Our last event we did together was not that long ago and it was in the middle of a ten day trip for me. And when I got to our event, you know, I'd been five, six days, pretty hard A lot of things. And then I went to our event and I left completely refueled again myself from being there. And so this thing April 6th, you guys, and I'm not. We're going to over promote. I just want you to know, April 6, Austin, Texas, they go to what?
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Brendon Burchard
They go to Ultra VIP to apply with us. Ultra vip.
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Ed Mylett
I recommend you guys. I interrupted you. Go ahead.
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Brendon Burchard
To give the inside baseball for everybody. Ed and I were at Ultra in Miami recently and Ed kind of walked in the conference room and I was, you know, 50ft away on the other side of the conference, this is backstage. And I was so happy to see my friend. And so I literally skipped towards him.
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Ed Mylett
Yep.
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Brendon Burchard
Like skipped. And he just stood. He kind of held back a little bit, like, whoa. And then he gets up on stage and he tells the whole audience goes, yeah, man. When I was backstage, Brendan just kind of lit me up. He skipped towards me.
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Ed Mylett
And if any other man skipped towards me, it's true. It's lighting me up now. I'm thinking about, I can literally in slow motion see you skipping towards me with that smiley face. I can see it right now in slow motion. Those events are so good, by the way. But I want to say this to you guys all meet kind of, you know, traditional leadership with modern day, which is what Brennan's talking about right now. And this idea of it's much more day to day now than it is long term vision casting, what you just said. I want you to speak to this. I was lucky, you know, spending a lot of time lately with my dear, dear friend John Maxwell. And I've been blessed. It's been he and I on his airplane quite a bit lately, going to events and speaking and we've done some football games together and stuff. And. And long story short, I asked him what, I asked you, what did you used to believe about leadership that you don't anymore? And he goes, I used to think it was really important to be consistent. And he said, I now really believe it's important to change your mind when you get new information. And he said a lot of leaders are unwilling to veer off course because they don't. They want to create the illusion that they're consistent thinkers. You know, I'm consistent with my philosophies. And he said, actually, I think now a great leader is, hey, I've learned something new. We've got new information, technology's changed, this information's changed, this situation's changed, the economy's changed, the competition's changed. And so I've changed my mind. And he said, I think that's one of the great qualities of a leader is to be able to say, hey, I, I've changed my mind about this. I've got new information, there's a new dynamic. And so it's really interesting that you said that. And that's another thing for me. It's like I'm evaluating in my life. I'll let you speak to it. Legacy thinking that I have like this has always worked in our company. So it's always going to work or we've just always done it that way. That's like the death of a company over the next five years, isn't it? A leader thinking we've always done it this way or that's always worked. That Legacy thinking you're going to die as a company in the AI era. Correct.
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Brendon Burchard
Agreed. Agreed. I think that we all operated in a time when intelligence was ours and our team and competence was the most valued thing. So expertise and competence and the intelligence of the team. Well, now everybody on their pocket has the world's intelligence and autonomous intelligence. So with AI, the kid in this state, in this town over here, they can all beat your competence now. And so now you think, okay, what competence really matters in the future. And I'll give you a quick insight. Everyone knows here I'm a little bit of a. A psychology nerd. There's a theory called Self Determination Theory, and I would say DC D E C I is. He's. He's probably the most known leader in that field. And they found that Self Determination theory, what humans really need, like our real needs after safety or sustenance, is autonomy, competence and relatedness. And there's been more research around those three things than probably anything else in psychology outside the big five psychological traits. Now listen to this though. While autonomy, it's easier to be autonomous than it ever has been for you don't have to go outside your house and you can learn anything you want right now without other human beings. So autonomy is being really commercialized with AI competence in terms of actual intelligence, the ability for an intelligent thing to do something. Well, we're automating AI with agents and we're entering the AGI world. I think we're three years away from asi. So we're like, we're the. Competence is widely shared and commercialized. Now the thing that is uniquely human is relatedness, our ability to relate towards one another. And I bring this up because, to your point, adaptability, we used to have to adapt only when some new Technology or new intelligence or, you know, some new thing came online, then you would adapt. Well, that happens every day now because the intelligence is outside of our team, outside of our company, outside of our industry. Intelligence is outside of humans now. So like adaptability is like constant now. People who don't like change are really going to hate the next five years. They're going to hate it. Everything will shift except that human thing, that relatedness. That's why you and I talk so much about energy and caring and compassion and leadership and enthusiasm and generating fellowship and brotherhood, generating a new and faithful, compassionate, kind, generous way of dealing with other people right now. That's the thing that is actually primarily valued in the future. And so this is what's important about now. Like you used to compete and only change when intelligence, technology or tools change. Well, that changes all the time. So to John's point, you have to adapt all the time now, like consistency. Why? Because new technology comes on board all the time. But you and John teach so well. Is that human centered leadership and knowing how to do that, that's where everyone's wealth actually lies in the future. Your wealth in the future is your health and energy, your mastery of your inner world and the quality of your relationships and leadership. Everything else AI can handle.
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Ed Mylett
Brother, I am not kidding you. When we do this every time, like this is the best stuff and I feel like I'm watching the best you also when we do this. So on that, let me tell you one thing. He's great at you guys behind the scenes. The guy you're seeing like this really kind, giving, high energy. You just got a joyous person. He creates that environment also around him. So the people that work with him, they're enjoying it a lot. This is important because of what he just said. Really all you're really going to have is the experience you create for the client, the experience you create for yourself. And if you're a leader in your company, the experience you create for the people that work with you, it's going to be highly. That's the separator. This message is sponsored by Greenlight. Hey listen, one of the things I did okay as a dad was I did teach my kids about money. And it was one of the most difficult things to teach them because it's not taught in school at all. They learned all of these things in school that quite frankly they're not going to use in their real life and things they really need, like learning about money and budgeting and the value of a dollar. Let's be honest Most of us learned about saving and budgeting way later than we should have. But here's the good news. You can give it to your kids with a head start with Greenlight. Green Light's a debit card and a money app made for families that lets kids learn how to save, invest and spend money wisely. Parents can send their kids money on the app and keep track of their saving and spending. It's convenient way for parents to raise financially smart kids and families to navigate life together. It's really good. Maybe that's why millions of parents are already using it with their kids and learning about how money works on Greenlight. So start your risk free Greenlight trial today@greenlight.com ED that's greenlight.com ED to get started. Greenlight.com ED I told you last night I sent you a clip, but I want you to relate it to leadership. I had a clip out yesterday about enjoying the journey. It was much deeper than that, I'll let you elaborate on it. But it was so good that I sent my dear if it makes me emotional right now because I feel like you're so much better at that than me, not only just for yourself, but for the people around you. And it hit me. I said, this is so effing good. And he said, well, only guys like you and I would relate to that. I think a lot of people would, bro. So I want you to take that message. But related to the leadership of. Should a leader not be conscious of the fun, the experience, the enjoyment of the people that are working with them every single day? And is that going to be the way you attract talent, keep talent and get people to perform at their best?
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Brendon Burchard
Yeah, I think it is. Um, I don't tell them what I'm.
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Ed Mylett
Talking about with the post, by the way, and it'll make more sense.
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Brendon Burchard
It's so funny. Ed sent me this clip and it's me teaching something I often teach, but I don't even remember being there. I watched it and it was almost an out of body experience. I'm like, when did that happen? My brain's, you know, I do a lot of content because of that. I watched it anew and it hit me and I was like, oh, okay. Because the concept was, you know, so many of us grind and we work and we had that consistent hard discipline that is really celebrated particularly in personal development, more in the high performance realm or the peak performance realm. Like the ability to go hard, the ability to give maximal focus, attention, effort towards something and just win. But win is often tied to outcomes, and win is often tied to the process of the discipline. How hard is it? If I can endure the hardship, I'm winning. But I also think the real winning is, can you enjoy it? Can you enjoy the discipline? Can you enjoy the outcome? And my phrase is, can you teach yourself to feel the day even as you are working hard, even if you are grinding, even it is grit, even if it's so difficult, can you actually feel it, sense it, internalize it, integrate it, dance with it? Like, the reason mindfulness took off so much is because people realized they were mindlessly doing tasks. And mindfulness took off globally at an epic, epic level. Even beyond, you know, what was traditionally, like, meditative or transcendental was because people realized, like, gosh, I'm working so hard. But the whole week went by. I didn't feel a single one of those days. I didn't feel Monday. I didn't feel Tuesday. I didn't feel Wednesday. I didn't feel the Thursday, Friday. I went to five different cities. I did 10 different things. I created four different topics, but I didn't sense and feel that moment. And I got that learning and watching that. So thank you for sending that. Because when I watched it, I was like, I'm talking about it, but I don't have a memory of that exact moment. Yeah. So I was like, you know what? I wasn't. Even as I was teaching that piece right there, I must not have been fully vital. And I could see it because you and I've been on the road a lot. And so I was like, oh, that's what was happening there. I was going through the motions, still smart, still saying the right things, but I hadn't taught myself to fully live in that moment and experience yet. And I think what's happening for a lot of people, life has passed them by. They've achieved a lot. They have good friends, good family. Life is good. They've just never integrated those wins into an identity that actually feels it and enjoys it. And I really believe you can do busy work and you can do your life's work, and you can do all this, but energetically. If you had more days where you felt it and there was a sense of satisfaction, joy, fulfillment, but also playfulness. You don't win the game of life unless you play. And I think most people, they're playing the game. They're making all the moves all day long, but they're gritting their teeth on the chessboard versus, like, smiling and hopping.
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Ed Mylett
Bro, you guys, he's right. Let Me just say this, go back, rewind the last four minutes. There. He's right. I'm telling you, he's right. As someone who has not always done that, still doesn't always do it. You know, he's the guy skipping towards me playfully once in a while, by the way. Maybe your form of playfulness is. And you're going to skip, but you know, it makes a point. And he's right. You're not supposed to just grind your teeth through your entire freaking life as you acquire, accumulate and conquer. There's a way to do both. You're not going to enjoy every moment, because if you enjoyed every moment, you're really not enjoying any moment because there should be contrast to life, but you should enjoy a lot more of them. And you've built a pattern and a habit so unconsciously that you are just grind. You are white knuckling it through everything. And Brendan, I'm telling you guys in real life is an example that that is not the way that it has to be. And there are more of him in the world than you think. And so please take heart as to what he just said there. By the way, I was thinking about this energy thing. The Eagles just won the Super Bowl. Their coach is this guy Nick Sirianni. I just can't figure this dude out. I cannot understand why he's there, why he's good, why he's a coach. I don't mean this negatively, if Nick sees this, but he doesn't coordinate the offense or the defense. He argues with his own players on the field. He's argued with the fans the last year. He almost lost his job a year ago. And I've just like this guy just. He's probably gonna get fired. Not only did he not get fired, he's been to the super bowl, two over the last three years and won this one. And I was watching some of his players this week. They were saying, what is it about him? Who they're being asked. And they said, he brings energy every day. He's fun to be around, he's exciting, he cares about us, he's a great guy, but he brings the energy every day. And so you can get someone to coordinate the offense, you can get someone to coordinate the defense, but you as the leader, your job's to bring that energy every day. And so I must say, I don't know if he'll be their coach in five years or eight years, but as of right now, he's the best coach in football. Last year, because he blew out the two Time champion in the Super Bowl. And they say his superpower is exactly what Brendan's saying, which is to bring energy. All right.
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Brendon Burchard
Yeah. And make it feel fun. Because, you know, there is no fellowship without energy. There is no love without energy. These things ride on the back of the energy that you bring and that you create and you experience. Because that team also, I know several of those players also talk about that idea of it's, you know, that this is energy and it's. It's us. Like, we. Like there's an usness to that team that it's not pompous, it doesn't have to show. They just know it, they walk it, they feel it, they see there's a brotherhood there. It's not as extravagant or out front as a lot of other teams have had these last couple especially decades, but that there's that brotherhood in a. Like a deeper fellowship because of the energy. And I think that's what's important. That's what's going to define the future.
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Ed Mylett
So. Good, brother. My last question, this one's outside your, I think, your zone, maybe even what you think. So I'm going to push you on the last question. Just this is for me and him, but you guys get to listen. So the one thing about that football analogy is you are against something when you're playing also.
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Brendon Burchard
Yeah.
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Ed Mylett
So the Eagles were against the Chiefs. They had to beat the Chiefs. They were against. They were for them winning. And the Chiefs had to lose for that to take place. And the reason I ask you that is one of the other elements of leadership is when I go to a lot of companies, it's. They kind of know what they're for. But I wonder if there's some teeth to knowing also what you're against. It could be a competitive company. It could be if you own a series of gyms, you're against obesity or early stage Alzheimer's or whatever it might be. It might be that you're against complacency. But I'm wondering about your theories about that as a leader in terms of messaging or do you believe there's a place for that, that you also should know what we're for and where we're going. But also this is sort of what we stand against. Is there an element of that? Like, take the. Take the United States. They're for all these other things, but they're, you know, against communism or against socialism. So I'm just curious your thoughts about that. It's kind of like a little icing on the cake of Leadership. Just your thoughts on there? Because I never even heard you talk about that topic.
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Brendon Burchard
Yeah, I think competition is huge. And competition, though, is contextual. And here's what I mean by that. First and foremost, from the great teams and the great players in history, you'll see over and over and over and over and over again, the first and the primary foundational layer of their excellence in leadership was always self mastery, the pursuit of self mastery. Listen to those interviews of Kobe. Listen to those interviews of, you know, of the greats, even the coaches like Reed, you know, Phil Jackson's 11 rings, you know, it's like they understood that the players who had that drive of mastery, they just want to be the best at what they do. That was primary. Then second in the context of that game. Oh, I'm going to pick some guys here or I'm going to pick some moments here and I'm going to have domination because I want to win the game. Now, if you reverse those two, you lose over time. So those who want to, they dominate, compete. Those guys never make it very far because it wasn't built on the foundation of self mastery. Look at the best free throw shooters. Look at the, you know, every great, I mean, the great, great, great, greatest. Even when they talked about competition in an interview, it was always after they talked about their practice, their routine, their self mastery. So as long as you get that order right, you're going to win. If you get that order wrong, you just want to dominate to compete and win because that's socially, statusly hierarchical, important to you, life's going to be difficult. But if self mastery is there first and competition is the game that gets to show your level of self mastery, that gets to show you and challenge you to level up your own game. If competition is about you leveling up your own game, you win. If it's just about dominating other people, you ultimately lose.
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Ed Mylett
So good today. This was awesome. April 6th, you want to join this dude and I probably be worthy experience. He puts on the best events. I'm honored to be a part of it. Ultra vip. Is that correct?
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Brendon Burchard
That's the whole website. Ultra vip.
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Ed Mylett
Ultra vip. You guys, you can see us there. Please share today's episode. If you're not on my email list, go to edmylet.com Put your name in there so you can get the episodes early. Brendan, thank you. This was tremendous.
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Brendon Burchard
I love to Ed. Thank you for having me on every time.
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Ed Mylett
All right, God bless you, everybody. Max out. This is the Ed Milan show.