Underutilized, Underpaid, Unfulfilled: The Real Reason Most Professionals Stay Stuck | Kam Dasani

Summary

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The Entrepreneur DNA – Underutilized, Underpaid, Unfulfilled: The Real Reason Most Professionals Stay Stuck

Host: Justin Colby
Guest: Cam Dasani
Date: January 9, 2026

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Episode Overview

In this episode, Justin Colby sits down with entrepreneur and trading consultant Cam Dasani to discuss the journey from feeling stuck in a high-potential but unfulfilling 9-to-5 job, to building a life of freedom through trading and entrepreneurship. Cam shares honest insights about family expectations, risk tolerance, the necessity of active income, and strategic investing that doesn't demand giving up your main job. He demystifies trading for everyday professionals, explains how risk plays out in both financial and personal contexts, and offers a practical invitation for listeners to try his trading community.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. From "Not a Culture Fit" to Entrepreneur

• Strict Upbringing: Cam describes growing up in a first-generation Persian-American household with high academic expectations (doctor, lawyer, engineer, etc.), which drove him to rebel.
• Identity Crisis: A passionate basketball player in high school, he faced an identity crisis when he couldn't pursue college sports, leading him to question his place and potential outside structured paths (04:23).

Quote:
"It all starts from my upbringing... every idea I had was always being shut down: 'take the stable path.' That's why I have my shirt that says 'not a culture fit'."
— Cam Dasani (03:04)

2. Early Career – Realizations in Sales & Fintech

• Entry into Sales: Cam entered the workforce in loan sales, found the industry sleazy, and departed quickly for fintech—a turning point due to good mentorship and exposure to markets.
• Mentorship on Trends: His first sales manager introduced him to the concept of catching trends (especially around crypto and options trading), teaching that betting against the crowd requires conviction and patience (06:34–08:02).

Quote:
"Investing is about catching trends. Most people are going to tell you you're wrong. That’s what a trend is."
— Cam Dasani (07:10)

3. Building Wealth: The Importance of Active Income

• Misstep of Index Funds: Cam and Justin agree that most young professionals in expensive metros simply can't save their way to wealth by investing in broad index funds or 401ks.
• Active Before Passive: Cam urges listeners to focus on increasing active income before pursuing passive returns, explaining swing trading options as a manageable, part-time strategy for busy professionals (14:34–16:30).

Quote:
"You need to focus on active income before passive income... The world rewards you for doing things actively that most people are going to ignore."
— Cam Dasani (14:34)

4. Trading as a Side Hustle for Professionals

• Swing Trading Defined: He recommends swing trading (as opposed to day trading) because it's time-flexible: you buy on one day, sell weeks later, and don’t have to monitor charts constantly.
• Cutting Risk: The approach emphasizes understanding why specific trades are made, allowing traders to ride out market fluctuations without panicking (16:02–18:25).
• Risk Control: "Full conviction" trades are based on careful technical and public info analysis, with built-in stop-loss strategies to minimize downside.

Quote:
"If you don't consistently increase your tolerance for risk... you're not going to survive or be able to compete... you'll end up owning a house you can't afford, driving cars you can't afford to impress people you don't care about."
— Cam Dasani (26:53)

5. Demystifying Risk and Building the Right Mindset

• Risk Beyond Money: Cam encourages listeners to practice risk-taking in everyday life, not just investments. Risk could mean talking to a stranger or pursuing an opportunity outside one’s comfort zone.
• Real-World Example: Cam shares being robbed at gunpoint for $200K and how it shaped his attitude toward risk: "If it doesn't kill me, and I have a 60% chance, I'm going to do it." (27:28)
• Incremental Growth: Justin reinforces the necessity to start small, take measured risks, and be patient for growth over a decade rather than expect windfalls in a year.

Quote:
"Everyone overestimates what they can do in a year... but they always underestimate what they can do in 10."
— Justin Colby (31:21)

6. Practical Pathways: Start Small, Learn, Scale Up

• Trade Alongside Your 9-5: Cam insists you don’t need to quit your job to start; he and his clients began trading part-time, leveraging easy platforms and clear coaching (23:44–25:30).
• Coaching Model: His consulting isn’t about handing over money to a fund—it’s an educational model, with Discord community support, daily office hours, and trade signals, starting with as little as $50–$100 (37:12).
• Proof & Transparency: Cam shares his team's consistent 83% win rate (post-market reset in April 2025), emphasizing the importance of transparency and community trust (26:08).

7. Advice for Investment Strategy (for $150–$200k Earners)

• Focus on building active income through swing trading (not passive index-fund investments)
• Only invest as much as you can "afford to gamble"
• Use expert coaching to shortcut the learning curve and avoid common mistakes
• Practice risk-tolerance in non-financial areas of life; it's a muscle to develop

8. The Bigger Vision: From Trader to Entrepreneur

• Cam's teaching and trading have already replaced his 9-5. Now his vision is evolution: eventually manage a major hedge fund, but only when it makes sense to do so at scale (tens of millions under management).
• He emphasizes the boundlessness of entrepreneurial journey; where you start is not where you’ll end up if you keep iterating.

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Memorable Moments & Quotes (with Timestamps)

• On family pressure and rebellion:
  "Because it felt like every idea I had, no matter whether it was like a normal idea about life or like a strong business idea, it was always being shut down... Take the stable path."
  — Cam Dasani (03:24)

• On the myth of saving your way to wealth:
  "Living in Miami, living in the Bay Area, making 150, 200 grand a year, you will not be able to pay your bills. Respectfully, like, it is just insanely expensive."
  — Justin Colby (13:19)

• On the importance of mentors:
  "My goal was to find experts that could teach me the best strategy... I'm the brand. We come together to bring this opportunity to the world."
  — Cam Dasani (09:55)

• Trading explained for busy professionals:
  "You just need to understand why we're making certain predictions so you can have confidence following our lead... We do the market analysis."
  — Cam Dasani (24:20–38:59)

• On risk and incremental approach:
  "Take a lot of risk with a little bit of money."
  — Cam Dasani quoting Warren Buffett (32:06)

• On ultimate life freedom:
  "It's not about finding the thing you'll do forever. Find the thing that can get you 3–5k/month alongside your job."
  — Cam Dasani (34:47)

• Building futureproof confidence:
  "If you want more and potentially even just want to break out of your job, then this type of vertical absolutely can work for you. You just have to start somewhere."
  — Justin Colby (33:16)

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Important Segments & Timestamps

• [03:04] Cam’s upbringing & "not a culture fit"
• [06:34] Crypto & options trading—catching trends and being "unreasonable"
• [14:34] The case for active income over passive saving
• [16:02–18:25] Cam explains risk control in swing trading
• [23:44–25:30] How busy professionals can trade part-time with expert guidance
• [26:08–26:53] 83% success rate & cutting losses; misunderstanding risk
• [27:28–31:21] Risk tolerance—personal stories & life lessons
• [32:06–34:47] Taking risk with small amounts; scaling up methodically
• [37:12] How the coaching/consulting model works
• [41:00–41:52] Cam’s personal investment allocation
• [44:25–45:38] On altcoins, meme coins, and gambling vs. investing
• [46:12] Cam’s special offer: 14-day Discord trial for listeners

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Special Offer for Listeners

• 14-Day Free Trial: Cam offers Entrepreneur DNA listeners a rare free trial of his trading Discord community, where you can attend onboarding calls, join regular office hours, view live trade signals, and evaluate the system risk-free ([46:12–47:41]).

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Takeaways for Aspiring Entrepreneurs & Stuck Professionals

• There's a systemic ceiling to traditional career paths in expensive cities; entrepreneurship and side hustles are not just aspirational, they're increasingly necessary.
• Active income—like trading—can be a scalable side hustle that doesn't require quitting your job.
• Start small, build confidence, use coaching, and compound your wins.
• Risk—in money, learning, and daily life—is essential to unlock long-term fulfillment and wealth.
• You don't need to find your forever passion. Aim for the next unlock; future steps will appear as you progress.

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Follow Cam Dasani: Instagram: @profitwithkam
Special Discord Offer: Check episode description for the link.

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Transcript

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[Justin Colby]

What is up Entrepreneur DNA Family if you are someone who has a job and you feel like you're settling, you feel like you're underperforming, then I want to introduce you to my next guest. He had the very same feeling. And now, as an entrepreneur reaching the highest of highs in business, Cam Dasani is here. What's happening, Brother Justin, thanks for having me, man. Yeah, we're in Miami. It's fun. I know you originally come from the west coast as myself. What do you think about the whole west coast versus Miami? Like, could you ever see yourself going back to the west coast or you think you're gone for good?

[Cam Dasani]

So I'll be honest, I the Bay Area is always going to be home.

[Justin Colby]

Yeah.

[Cam Dasani]

But I've lived in San Diego for a year in the past and I think San Diego has it all for me. Miami is a little bit too fast for me and I live in Dallas right now and it's like slow, but there's no beach and there's no hiking and I miss that.

[Justin Colby]

Yeah.

[Cam Dasani]

So I think I'll end up in San Diego.

[Justin Colby]

Okay, that's fair. I mean, I'm in a weird place in my life where like I love Dallas. So that actually might be a spot that has potential.

[Cam Dasani]

Fair.

[Justin Colby]

But man, I there's something about the east coast that I really enjoy. I'm in the burbs though. Like, I'm not in Brickell. I'm not in the fast paced Miami that everyone thinks about because some people are like, justin, how's Miami? I'm like, yeah, I'm in the Burbs like, you don't really feel it the same.

[Cam Dasani]

I'll say this, I like east coast personalities a lot. And people, like, always talk to me and when they meet me, they're like, oh, you must be from New York, because you're aggressive and assertive in the way you talk. And I'm like, no, but I see why you would say that. And I get along with, like, people from New York, so well, Listen, I.

[Justin Colby]

Think the subject matter that we're going to talk about that you've experienced, that you've gone through, is so apropos as a big word to the listeners here at the Entrepreneur DNA. Many are aspiring entrepreneurs. Many do feel like they have more potential, that they are settling in life. And you had that very same feeling working your 95. Tell us a little bit about that.

[Cam Dasani]

So I think it all starts from my upbringing because I grew up in a pretty, like, chaotic household. And first generation Persian American parents are very strict, very highly educated, had very high expectations of me. And naturally that made me want to rebel against everything they ever said, which is why I have my shirt that says not a culture fit.

[Justin Colby]

Yeah.

[Cam Dasani]

Because it felt like every idea I had, no matter whether it was like a normal idea about life or like a strong business idea, it was always being shut down or saying, no, take the stable path. Take the stable path. Long story short.

[Justin Colby]

So what did your parents want you to go down the path of?

[Cam Dasani]

Just something where they knew for sure it would work. So meaning like low end physical therapist.

[Justin Colby]

High end heart surgeon.

[Cam Dasani]

Exactly, exactly. Exactly. And it could have been like, engineer, like, my dad's a PhD, right.

[Justin Colby]

CPA, lawyer, doctor. That classical, like something where you go.

[Cam Dasani]

To college to study for that thing and all the ROI in the world. Makes sense.

[Justin Colby]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Cam Dasani]

In reality, 90 of degrees get you nowhere. Yep. So, played basketball in high school very competitively. Wanted to play College. Got a D3 offer to play. My dad did not let me take it.

[Justin Colby]

Oh, wow.

[Cam Dasani]

So he, like, committed me to Cal Poly slow, which was D1. I couldn't play.

[Justin Colby]

I know it. Yeah.

[Cam Dasani]

Well, I didn't go to Cal Poly slow, though. I was number one off the wait list at UC Santa Cruz. Oh, went to UC Santa Cruz. Tried to walk on, they already had their team, so on and so forth.

[Justin Colby]

Sure.

[Cam Dasani]

And then I was just like, going through this, like, Tiger woods epiphany in the context of like, who am I without sports? I don't really, really know who I am.

[Justin Colby]

Any crisis.

[Cam Dasani]

Exactly. Identity crisis. And I'm like, okay, I'm competitive Sales is interesting, but like hard at that time to me I was like, I don't really get it. Went and sold loans out of college and realized like very sleazy industries, selling overpriced loans to small businesses or whatever, whatever left that went into financial tech. And this is where things started to like make sense for me because I had a really good manager. And when you're in financial tech or fintech, you're, you're more tapped in with like stock market and like trading and all of these things. And I know I'm kind of talking about my background right now, but what was your original question?

[Justin Colby]

No, that was because I think there's a lot of people out there that do feel like they're settling, that do have some level of an identity crisis, that are at a job that at one point they were excited to get. And then all of a sudden they realized like, this doesn't fulfill me. I'm wasting my potential, I'm settling. Right. That is a very common thread specifically to the listeners here at the Entrepreneur D. So hearing your story, the idea is to help them resonate with you to say, if he can do it, I can do it. What is he doing now? Maybe I would like that too.

[Cam Dasani]

Yeah.

[Justin Colby]

So going through that trajectory, when you went into the fintech, what then like propelled you? And by the way, how old are you now? You're in fintech now. You went to, you went to Santa.

[Cam Dasani]

Cruz, UC Santa Cruz.

[Justin Colby]

Yep. Graduated. Okay. Then went into loans. Two months, like two, three months went into fintech.

[Cam Dasani]

Yeah, I'm 22, 23 at this point. And I'm learning how to sell a very, very niche product. And I become like a top performer within four, five, six months. And I'm like, I'm not, I'm happy. Like I'm making like 140 at 22. And this is like 10 years ago or eight years ago, I should say.

[Justin Colby]

That's a lot for a 22 year old.

[Cam Dasani]

Yeah. So it like got to my head and I'm like, okay, I think I'm the greatest thing ever. Yeah. So what more can I do? And that's when I'm like. And shout out to my, my first sales manager ever at, at Veeam. That was a company I worked at. Steven O. He taught me about crypto and options trading.

[Justin Colby]

Okay.

[Cam Dasani]

Two different paths. But now they've all come together in my life in a way that I could never imagine. The first thing he taught me was, hey, investing is about catching trends. And if you're going to catch trends. Most people are going to tell you that you're wrong.

[Justin Colby]

Okay?

[Cam Dasani]

That is what a trend is. I said, okay, tell me what you mean. He's like, you think all these companies, like Uber, Door Dash, Airbnb, like, people think those founders are stupid or thought they were stupid. Someone's gonna live in your house on the weekend. Someone's gonna pick you up in their car, and it's not gonna say yellow Taxi on it. These are absurd things. My tattoo says, the reasonable man adapts himself to the world. The unreasonable man adapts the world to himself. Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man. That's Henry Ford. Henry Ford started Ford Motors. We had horses before that. The point of me saying all this is he told me to invest in a trend, which was crypto. More specifically, bitcoin and Ethereum. He said, everyone's going to laugh at you for five years, maybe 10. He's like, I don't know.

[Justin Colby]

This.

[Cam Dasani]

This is 2017, 2018.

[Justin Colby]

Great guy.

[Cam Dasani]

Yeah, great guy. My dad shouted at me to sell.

[Justin Colby]

Yeah.

[Cam Dasani]

I did not.

[Justin Colby]

You held. That is a very hard trade. Most people. And I'm not a big. I have crypto and I hold. I don't trade it at all. I'm not very big in stock. I have, like, blue chip stock. But it is very easy for people to take the chips off the table. And I probably, even. Even I would probably, as an investor, I've literally been an investor my entire adult life, more in the real estate space. But even I would say, when you're up, you know, 400%, take some of these chips off the table. Right? Like, the good can only good be good for so long. However, crypto, to me, is that anomaly, right? Because, I mean, even. I don't even know where it's at today. But like, bitcoin being above 100,000. I was buying bitcoin at 1800 when people thought, like, I was crazy. And I'm like, I don't know, my buddy told me to do this thing, so I just did it and, you know, and sold off along the way. In retrospect, I had, I don't know, 200 coins, right. I mean, it would have been a lot. And so I say all that, say, good for you.

[Cam Dasani]

And the reality is, guys like, and girls that are listening, like, you're not going to catch every trend. Like, I missed the Nvidia train. If I put 10 grand in Nvidia 10 years ago, I would have 3 million.

[Justin Colby]

Sure.

[Cam Dasani]

Approximately, give or take. So I missed that. Right. But I Didn't miss the Bitcoin and Ethereum trains. And that's when I started to realize, okay, I can. My goal was to find experts that could teach me the best strategy that they knew when it came to investing. So now if I look at my team, which I'm going to fast forward a little bit, you know, I, I work with a futures trader that literally built an algorithm for Goldman Sachs. He's an ex rocket scientist, one of the smartest people that I know.

[Justin Colby]

And.

[Cam Dasani]

We decided to go into business together because he taught me how to trade futures. I have another trader that taught me how to trade options at a very high level and I have crypto as well. So I have these sectors and these people around me that make me appear very, very, very smart.

[Justin Colby]

Sure.

[Cam Dasani]

But in reality they're the geniuses and I'm the brand because. And we come together to bring this opportunity to, to the world because people need to learn that there is a way to strategically invest your money that doesn't involve just putting your money in the S p and your 401k and hoping by 65, like it's going to matter. Realistically, even at 65. Yeah. You'll make 200, 300 grand and it'll be gone in two years.

[Justin Colby]

Yeah.

[Cam Dasani]

So the reality is everything is more expensive. Inflation is kicking our ass. The only reason, and, and most people invest in the wrong order. Meaning like they're working a job, they're making 150k and they're putting their money in an index fund. And I'm like, you're not rich enough for that to matter.

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[Justin Colby]

So I would agree with that 100%. So and what I would like you to maybe advise, where would that person making 150k? What's your suggestion? What are you looking at? How are you targeting it? Right? Because you know, I'm not a big proponent of people saving their way to wealth or riches. Now using vehicles to get there is totally different in my opinion. Right? So like putting your money in bitcoin, just letting it sit for the next 30 years, it's inevitable in my opinion. There's only one direction that ultimately goes, right? I come from the real estate space. Obviously over years people have always said put money into real estate, over time it appreciates you. You know, they pay off the loan, you have all this equity. It's just not nearly as passive. Like if I buy bitcoin, it is as passive as it gets. I don't do anything. It just sits there. Real estate is not passive, right? Even having an ira, a real retirement account, to some extent, I'm not for it. The other side, I am for it. Because if you understand how to be an investor, you can lend that money out and get a huge return on it. And it is tax free, right? But you have to be able to lend it. You can't invest it. There's the difference, right? So coming from your seat, where would you tell the person 150 Listen, living in Miami, living in the Bay Area, living in certain markets, making 150, 200 grand a year, you will not be able to pay your bills. Respectfully, like it is just insanely. Expensive. Live in these areas. For someone that has $150,000 salary, $200,000 salary, what would you advise is a good investment strategy?

[Cam Dasani]

You need to focus on active income before passive income.

[Justin Colby]

Okay.

[Cam Dasani]

Look at everything you just said. The world rewards you for doing things actively that most people are going to ignore and try to focus on. How can I be as passive as possible? Because I'm lazy. Right. So if you have 150k salary, 200k salary, you know, most people that I know with those salaries don't have that much saved because they're putting everything in like an index fund or a 401k. So in their checking account maybe they have like 20 grand, 30 grand, something like that. And life is expensive in these areas. What I would advise, and once again, I'm not a, you know, series 65 financial advisor, we have that on the way. Like we're getting those licenses because there's.

[Justin Colby]

Legality behind giving any advice. I totally get it. Yeah.

[Cam Dasani]

Right.

[Justin Colby]

So just protect it and get licensed.

[Cam Dasani]

Yeah, that's it. But all I'm, all I'm going to say is this. Active income first, trading first. So the first trading strategy that I learned to set me a little bit more free from corporate is swing trading options. This is very, very specific. It's not day trading because reality is if you're an engineer or if you're an IT or just work in corporate in general, maybe you're an office, maybe you work remote, doesn't matter. You have a lot going on. So you can't watch a chart while you're in a meeting. Right. It's like too much. So swing trading means you're buying on one day and selling maybe six weeks later.

[Justin Colby]

Sure.

[Cam Dasani]

So instead of just buying Tesla shares, for example, you're actually making a more specific prediction. You're saying, hey, I think Tesla is going to go to this price by this date and if I'm right, I win.

[Justin Colby]

And if you're wrong, you lose.

[Cam Dasani]

And if you're wrong, you lose whatever you put up.

[Justin Colby]

Yeah.

[Cam Dasani]

Or if you monitor it more strategically like we teach you, then you can only lose like 10% of what you put up. Our losses are typically, you have a.

[Justin Colby]

Stop loss somewhere that stops you from. Yeah, and I don't want to get too technical because. Because even to me you'd be able to blow my mind. Like, I'm not a technical trader in the sense, but I'm aware of certain things. So maybe even define, like, how would someone, what would you teach that person to even lose only 10. Instead of losing the entire 100 what they invested, what, what do they have to do to minimize that downside risk? Because I'm at a place in my career, my whole philosophy is I want to help people minimize your downside. There's a lot of people that can teach you how to make money and get rich. I mean, even yourself. But if I can show you here's better strategic ways to protect your downside. Because there's always a storm, always happens, right? I mean, look what happened to crypto recently, like, wasn't totally predicted what was going to happen. Everyone thought maybe there was going to be a correction. But like, you're well aware of how fast it happens. So how do you protect yourself from stuff like that?

[Cam Dasani]

So there's two types of trades that we do. One of them is called full conviction swings, which means we have full conviction that if we set our. And I don't want to get super, super technical for people that don't understand, but with every options trade, there is an expiration date, which means the trade is done on this date. If we set the date for June of next year, and right now it's December of 2025, even if there's a bunch of stuff going on in the market and, and stuff is fluctuating down, up, down, up, down, up. If we have full conviction because of information that we have, public information that we've studied, technical analysis that we've done, then we'll just wait till June. Usually we don't have to wait till the expiration date. But how you minimize downside is by understanding why you're making certain predictions. Because then when things go down 10, 20%, you don't panic, sell like the rest of the market.

[Justin Colby]

Right.

[Cam Dasani]

I even have clients today that they come in and they're like three days in and we're in a trade and it's 10% down and they freak out and they call, Kim, I'm losing money. I'm like, is the trade over way?

[Justin Colby]

And you only lost money if you sell?

[Cam Dasani]

My point. So people need to understand that, like if you buy Tesla stock, $10,000 worth of it, and it's down, you didn't lose money unless you sell the stock.

[Justin Colby]

Agreed in in the same as in any sector. Same thing in real estate. So you were old enough, but weren't in the game of real estate in 2008. Right. So you understand what happened in the financial market, whatever home prices were slashed by like in some markets, 50, 60, 75%, it was crazy. Today they are up beyond where they would have been if the trajectory would have stayed the same today. So if they would have just held those properties, had the fortitude. Some people didn't have the financial means to be able to hold it. They, they were done. Right. Okay, real quick.

[Cam Dasani]

That's the issue. Right. We're investing with too much money into things that are too risky. You think they're safe because the rest of the world is doing it, but the rest of the world is broken.

[Justin Colby]

Well. And if you have a cost, so the, the reason why. And I don't know anything about stocks and, and stuff like that, so you can educate me. But the reason why, like a Bitcoin or an Ethereum, like if I invest what I can put in there and let sit and ride. I like that investment strategy, the active income, which is more what you're talking about. Then, yes, there are vehicles that can be more risky. But being able to have a coach, you said something that's really important. You lean into finding people who know more than you and following what they do and how they do it so that you can just replicate it and maybe have your own tweak to it. But there's always someone out there smarter, doing more, doing better, always in every sector. Right. And you've now understood that.

[Cam Dasani]

Let me ask you this. What is your. Because when I asked you earlier off camera, I said, hey, what type of real estate do you do? And you said, you do it all. But I know you started with something.

[Justin Colby]

And master residential single family.

[Cam Dasani]

Okay, so see how specific that is. Right. The difference between me and most Internet traders or people on the Internet talking about trading is that the influencer is the master of the thing that they're fulfilling. And the reality is you only have so much time in the day. So for example, I don't know TJR personally. I don't have anything against him, so don't scream at me if you like him or whatever. But like if he's the influencer building the brand and he's trading, do you think he's going to be my ex Goldman trader who, who is literally only trading and no one knows who he is? Potentially, probably not. Because that's the point of a team.

[Justin Colby]

Right?

[Cam Dasani]

Right. So I build people around me so I can focus on what I'm good at.

[Justin Colby]

Right.

[Cam Dasani]

Getting the knowledge out there. So then when people come in, the fulfillment is just locked in.

[Justin Colby]

Yeah. Well, that's building a real team. Right. And so. And I don't know who TJR is.

[Cam Dasani]

Personally, so that he's out here.

[Justin Colby]

Okay.

[Cam Dasani]

Yeah.

[Justin Colby]

So I say that because, you know, when going back to your idea of like settling, not being fulfilled with what you were doing, underperforming, having people understand that there's a world that you don't have to go into an office. There's a world that you can create your own life. That is the bigger vision of what you're kind of talking about is for you. That led into trading. It was fun. It was in the, the, you know, your, you, your mind could wrap around it. Right. It was exciting. That is a very opportunistic way to look at life these days. And if someone's out there listening to you, I would ask them to get in touch with you. And by the way, share your Instagram while I say that. What. What's your Instagram?

[Cam Dasani]

Yeah. Profit with Cam. So profit with K. And.

[Justin Colby]

And the reason being is because if you can understand that, you can work from home, you can make a lot of money. I have a buddy right now that that day trades. I don't know exactly what he does. I think it's options. He's like, dude, I spent 30 minutes from 6 to 6, 30 in the morning and I'm done all day.

[Cam Dasani]

He's scalping options. Yeah.

[Justin Colby]

Okay. And I'm like, I don't even understand what you're talking, but it sounds awesome.

[Cam Dasani]

Yeah.

[Justin Colby]

And he's like, dude, I take some risks, but like for the most part they're not very risky. And I'm making 30, 40 grand a month. And that's his like side hustle. Like that.

[Cam Dasani]

I'd like to meet him.

[Justin Colby]

Yeah. And he's like, you know, but he's like, sometimes I take some risks. Yeah. But it's just like in. He learned from someone else. Right. Just like anyone who's ever been a part of something big or did something big, they learned from someone else first. Very rarely they go out and try to be a trendsetter and create something that's never been there. They are there, right? The greats are those people. The Elon Musk's of the world created a trend that Steve Jobs created. And there are creators, but they are so few and far between. It is a whole lot easier to follow the path of those individuals than it is to go blaze a trail. Because first of all, the ridicule is insane.

[Cam Dasani]

Yep.

[Justin Colby]

I mean, how many people hate Elon Musk? Yep, a lot of people. Right? How many people? I don't know if hated is right word, but like Steve Jobs was thought to be crazy, right? Because he had this reality distortion field that he was going through. Right. So anyways, go, go back to kind of what you do and how you're doing it. Because I think it's important for people to know, you know, following Cam online, just to even ask him, like, what is this thing? Is this something that anyone can do? How much time do you need to put into it? How much time does someone in a general sense need to put into something that you do?

[Cam Dasani]

Yeah. So I'll tell you how I did it while working a very high demanding tech sales job. I mean, I was in office.

[Justin Colby]

So you're doing it part time in the beginning.

[Cam Dasani]

Yeah.

[Justin Colby]

So this is totally part time, doable. They don't have to quit their job, go all in, burn the boats, all that.

[Cam Dasani]

You don't even need to understand the technicals behind what we do. Like, you just need to understand fundamentally what we're doing. And the difference is, do you need to understand how these candlesticks are, are moving and like what the trends are saying? We can teach you high level and you can know and we'll teach you slowly but realistically. You just need to understand why we're making certain predictions so you can have confidence following our lead.

[Justin Colby]

Yeah.

[Cam Dasani]

How I started part time, very demanding tech sales job. Was in, in office before COVID by the way, five days a week, there's no remote work and me and my manager are going into like different meeting rooms and booking meeting rooms for like 30 minutes at a time, looking at different trends and trying to capitalize on them. We now make that legwork very simple or that we do the legwork to make the process very simple for, for an everyday person working a demanding 9 to 5, here's what it is once again, first of all, the right trading strategy. This is not something that we invented. It's something that we're, we, we've copied, meaning we're not day trading. So you don't need to like worry about being in a meeting for two hours and losing money. What we're doing is swing trading so you can get into a trade, let's say before you start your work day, don't worry about it for a few weeks. And then when we tell you to take profit, you can choose to take profit or we're taking profit at certain levels, which means, hey, it's at 50% return, feel free to take some profits. It's at 100% return, double your money. Now we should probably take all our risk off the table. That's a great return for sitting and doing nothing after 45 seconds on Robinhood.

[Justin Colby]

Right.

[Cam Dasani]

Because when you just said your friend, too, I spend 30 minutes. That's true. Why is it true? Because there's only four buttons to click to execute a trade. The hard part is picking the right trades, which is a coach.

[Justin Colby]

And that's what the point is. The coaching with Cam is. Allows Cam to be the expert. And you say, okay, I'm trusting the expert to do what he does. And. And just so we're clear, all experts aren't perfect. There's no 100% track record.

[Cam Dasani]

No.

[Justin Colby]

Right. It just doesn't happen.

[Cam Dasani]

No.

[Justin Colby]

But at the end of the day, being able to have someone to say, hey, after all my expertise and having my business partners and all these people that do this all day, every day for decades. Yeah. These are good moves to be making our track record.

[Cam Dasani]

And. And we. I have a video where I actually scroll through every trade since April 15, when the market reset this year. And. And we have, like, an 83% success rate.

[Justin Colby]

That is incredibly high.

[Cam Dasani]

It's very high. Well, why? Because my traders only trade.

[Justin Colby]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Cam Dasani]

It's not like I'm like, you know, I have a team. But the point is, let's say my track record was only 50% win. People might think, oh, only 50%. Hedge funds are doing 60, 70, 80% some years. So as long as you cut your losses in the right way, meaning you're not letting all your trades go to zero.

[Justin Colby]

Right.

[Cam Dasani]

You're cutting at 10 loss, and your wins are 50 to 100, then you're still winning. It doesn't matter how many you win.

[Justin Colby]

Right.

[Cam Dasani]

So just. People need to understand what risk really means. And, like, this is, like, the hard truth of it. If you don't have. If you don't consistently increase your tolerance for risk as you get older, you're not going to survive or be able to compete with the people that are, because you're going to end up owning a house that you can't afford, driving cars that you can't afford to impress people you don't care about, and then living in consumer debt. And I've seen it over and over again.

[Justin Colby]

So talk to the people who might need coaching on risk tolerance.

[Cam Dasani]

Yeah. So what is your baseline? And I. I can tell this story. I don't. I don't always tell this on camera, but, like, I've been robbed for $200,000 at gunpoint. So what's that?

[Justin Colby]

Not ideal.

[Cam Dasani]

Not ideal. So my risk tolerance is high because it's like, if it doesn't kill me. And I have a 60, like, chance in my head, like a little more than half that. It could work. I'm gonna do it. I'll give you an example. I'm on a podcast tour right now. Yeah, I don't know if it's gonna work. Yeah, I'm like, 60 sure it's gonna work. People might listen, people might care, people might do their due diligence. If you do your due diligence and look into me, you'll see. Right. But in regards to risk tolerance, you need to set a baseline and be honest with yourself about, have you even taken risks in your life or not? And then you need to start increasing that slowly in things that have nothing to do with business or trading. Take that off the table for a second. When you see a pretty girl in a supermarket, do you do anything about it or do you do nothing and then go think about it all night? When you think that a guy has a nice car and you kind of want to network with him, but you don't want to be weird and you're scared, do you compliment him on his car? That's why you bought it. He's. He's either there to show off or because he likes to drive over the speed limit or because he's using it to network the same way we use watches. Right. I have.

[Justin Colby]

The definition of risk to some people is definitely different. I think most people think because you bring up a great point about risk being in being outside your comfort zone. Like going up to that guy, going up to that girl. Sometimes that's just a comfort zone, but it is a risk because you feel like you're gonna be rejected. Right. It's not the risk of financial. It's the risk of, like, bruising your ego, bruising your pride. Right. Are you willing to run the risk of someone telling you no? That's the risk. Right. But the. The point you are making is really good because risk isn't always just a financial risk is what is your tolerance to break outside of your comfort zone is how I say it. And for those listening that might have family and kids, the financial comfort zone becomes more difficult. Right. So when I was your age, making some assumptions, your age, in your young 30s, I was a total fuck boy. I was the guy at the club three nights a week, Friday, Saturday and Sunday at 30. Yeah. Good for you. Having a great time, spending money, like exactly who you think it is.

[Cam Dasani]

Yeah.

[Justin Colby]

So I had plenty of risk tolerance because I always just felt like, go make it more sitting in the seat. I am now 44 with two children, wife, house, car. Like the whole thing. My risk tolerance is still. I still have the ability. I mean, I'm an investor. So by nature, I'm built this way. It's just not true for everyone. So I think the reason why I'm kind of re echoing what you're saying is even the minimal risks to go and grow is the only way to do it. Right. If you want the pretty girl, the only way to get the pretty girl, say hi. If you want to understand how you got the watch or the car or the thing, go and introduce yourself. Y. If you want to make more money to some extent, either increase your skill level so another corporation can hire you at a higher pay rate, or you are going to have to take some level of risk.

[Cam Dasani]

Yeah.

[Justin Colby]

Here's what I think you're saying with your undertone, which is it can be done slowly. Cam is not suggesting go throw your $100,000 IRA into options trade. Yeah. One options trade. Right. That is not the suggestion. It is start to learn from Cam over time. Do you feel comfortable to. I'm making up the number. 50 bucks. 100 bucks to start. 100 to 200 to 200 to 300. Like there's a way to do this over time. What I. I'll let you go in a second, but I find this all the time interviewing individuals. Everyone. Everyone is overestimated what they can do in a year. No one is overestimated what they can do in 10. They always underestimate what they can do in 10 years. And so it is very common that people overestimate. Oh, this year I'm going to go make an extra hundred grand doing this thing with Cam. Well, yeah, but if you just stayed with Cam and followed this for the next decade like he's done, where could you actually be? So you're putting all this pressure on you and Cam as your coach to go do this financial trading in this 12 month period, which is fine. But where are you to be in a decade?

[Cam Dasani]

Warren Buffett says, take a lot of risk with a little bit of money. Now, that statement is going to be relative, and everybody's going to have a different perspective on it because they have different budgets. But what do you consider for not even a lot of risk? What do you consider a little bit of money? Because like you said, if people even just did the simplest thing and stayed down in bitcoin, you'd be a millionaire. If you just kept adding to that, instead of adding to your s P, it's the new S P people need to understand that. So what I do with every client is they come in and we talk about everything in regards to their finances. Because if I know exactly where you're at, I know what a lot of risk with a little bit of money means to you. And it's not about how you feel internally. It's about genuinely. Like I have cloud engineers that make 400k a year that trade with me. Well, a lot of risk with a little bit of money is going to be different for them than maybe like a registered nurse.

[Justin Colby]

Yeah.

[Cam Dasani]

And that's okay. But. And these are just the types of clients that I have. Engineers, nurses, I t people like corporate finance.

[Justin Colby]

Yeah. People that don't have a lot of time to do their side hustle can't be time restrictive like it. They don't have a lot of time. So the window they have, they got to be able to do something for the side hustle that can give them some level of return. Yes. And I, I love what you do. For that exact example, what I hope people are hearing is if you aren't happy with where you're at financially, if you want more and potentially even just want to break out of your job, then this type of vertical absolutely can work for you. You just have to start somewhere.

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[Cam Dasani]

And understand that like you don't need to be married to the thing. So like, and this was like my downfall in my early years. I was like, damn, like I want to find the thing that I'm going to do forever. It's not about that. Find the thing that can get you 3 to 5k a month alongside your job. Because for most people, they're not trying to quit their job and be full time traders. Most people I work with don't want that.

[Justin Colby]

Yeah.

[Cam Dasani]

They just want to make 3k a month. 5k a month. 7, 10. The difference between the 3k a month trader and the 10k a month trader that works with me or the 15k month trader is actually nothing other than budget.

[Justin Colby]

Yeah.

[Cam Dasani]

Meaning like they can just enter trades at a higher level because they have more. So how do we get to that budget level if you're the like more on the 3k a month side? Well, start taking a lot of risk with a little bit of money.

[Justin Colby]

Yeah.

[Cam Dasani]

We'll decide what that is and we'll make decisions and it'll take you longer than the guy that's starting with bigger budget, but that's okay. My point is then after that you can decide because now you have freedom. You're like, okay, well trading I can do from anywhere in the world. Do I really need to stay here in this area that is too overpriced for no reason? Maybe not. What's my passion? What do I really want to do with my life? Well, now I have money to fund that I can take double income from my job and trading. But now I don't really have time because I'm doing both.

[Justin Colby]

Right.

[Cam Dasani]

The reason I haven't started my business yet, quote unquote, is because I have a job that's too demanding and I can't quit.

[Justin Colby]

Yeah.

[Cam Dasani]

So now you can take a little bit more risk. You can quit your job because you have money from trading and it's going well and now you can pursue what you want to pursue the same way I did.

[Justin Colby]

Yeah.

[Cam Dasani]

My, my, my whole thing was I wanted to find the thing that I could do part time with my job still. So it wasn't as risky to start a business. So then trading was my quote unquote business. Then I started helping people trade and that became my big business.

[Justin Colby]

Yep.

[Cam Dasani]

So now I trade and teach people how to trade and eventually it's going to be hedge fund managing capital, so on and so forth. But the only way I would ever manage capital, and I've said this before, is if I'm managing millions because I'm, I'm going bigger, going home and my traders are that good.

[Justin Colby]

Yeah.

[Cam Dasani]

It just is what it is. We're not managing 10, 20k of people's money because the performance fee that we would charge to manage that doesn't make sense. We would rather just do the consulting model that we do now and let you guys learn the skill while, while following our lead.

[Justin Colby]

What is your consulting model?

[Cam Dasani]

Consulting model. So we work with people in six or 12 month terms, meaning there's no month to months because like it's too short, like you're going to make to make an impact realistically for you to say, hey, this portfolio is growing. And I can, I know it's growing. And it's not just luck, meaning like in one month you, you'll make money like we make you money because our trades last one to four weeks.

[Justin Colby]

Yeah.

[Cam Dasani]

So like we'll make you money but like you're not going to be like, oh, was this luck or is this consistent? You need to wait. You need to give us four to six months to show you that. So we work with people for six to 12 months. You come in, we teach you how to enter options trades on Robinhood. One app on your phone, the simplest app in the world. There's only four buttons to click. You pick the stock, you pick the prediction you're making, which could be either a call, a call or a put. A call means we're predicting the the price of the stock is going to go up. Put means we're predicting it's going to go down. Example Tesla $300 call by expiration date is the third thing you pick. June 18th of 2026, let's say don't enter that trade, by the way, I'm just saying words. And then how many contracts do I want to buy? Meaning options is about contracts, which means instead of shares, you're buying contracts. How many contracts do I want to buy? How heavy do I want to bet that's all you know, relative to your budget, you pick those four things. Selling is even easier. How many contracts do you want to sell? The process of the four things to buy takes literally 30 to 45 seconds. You can do it with any type of demanding job on your phone. Yeah, I can sneak it in in front of my boss. I used to do it all the time.

[Justin Colby]

Yeah.

[Cam Dasani]

You wouldn't even notice.

[Justin Colby]

Right. Because you're on your phone.

[Cam Dasani]

Yeah. And then selling is easy and we do the hard work of the market analysis. So you know when to buy and sell.

[Justin Colby]

Right.

[Cam Dasani]

And then we have office hours every day where you can come and ask questions. And it's always after work hours.

[Justin Colby]

Yeah.

[Cam Dasani]

So right now we 8pm central. So it's on every time zone. It's after work hours. And if you can't make those Monday through Thursday, because you work night shifts or whatever, then you can schedule one on ones with us, no problem. So. Yeah.

[Justin Colby]

And you want to go teach other people to do this, because if you can get enough people to do this, there's a world where you can get into fund management.

[Cam Dasani]

Yes.

[Justin Colby]

I think that, I mean, this goes back to kind of what broke you out of the 9 to 5 job, brought you into the consulting world and trading world, which will then at some point break you out of that into a much larger the. The iterations of what people can become as entrepreneurs is boundless. And that's a big part of the message of entrepreneur DNA, is to understand what Cam's doing today versus where he's going to be in 10 years is like, it's unfathomable, really. I mean, it's really up to him.

[Cam Dasani]

Here's the other thing with fund management.

[Justin Colby]

Right.

[Cam Dasani]

Is that if you are licensed and I know, I know fund managers, they can only say certain things on camera. And right now I'm so, like, invested in personal branding and being able to say whatever the F I want, for lack of better terms that, like, I don't want to be monitored by the SEC because. And not be able to even say Tesla 300 call.

[Justin Colby]

Yeah.

[Cam Dasani]

Or Nvidia 600 or whatever. Right. So. And I know fund managers that they, they make content, but they, they're like, oh, we can't say certain tickers or we can't because they're managing these funds actively for clients and whatever regulation doesn't allow them to say those things.

[Justin Colby]

What do you do when you make a lot of money? What do you do with your own money? Do you always reinvest into it or do you put some away? What's your, like, financial strategy person? I'm talking about you personally. So you make whatever the number is a lot for you. Let's just say it's 500 or a million dollars a year, whatever that number is. What are you doing? Where are you investing your money beyond just more active income with trading?

[Cam Dasani]

Yeah. I keep a certain percentage for the same swing trades that I'm talking about today.

[Justin Colby]

Yeah.

[Cam Dasani]

Then I, I have a lot in crypto, different coins. So bitcoin is obviously huge for me. Always buying dips. I'm dollar cost averaging. Like, that's the S P. Because the S and P isn't. Is not the S P anymore. Like, it doesn't. It's not. It's not as powerful. And Bitcoin is so predictable. It's the only asset where the cycle is Predictable. Like we've seen it over and over, the same thing happening. So, like if you're not in bitcoin, even putting 500amonth in it, then you genuinely don't care about your future. Sorry. Like, it's just, just my belief.

[Justin Colby]

Do you think bitcoin has a much higher upside over the next.

[Cam Dasani]

Yeah.

[Justin Colby]

And then in what time frame?

[Cam Dasani]

I can't tell you. Predicted like number.

[Justin Colby]

Yeah. Or anything like that year. It's going to be X is just once again.

[Cam Dasani]

It's what my manager said. Just wait five to 10 years again.

[Justin Colby]

Yeah.

[Cam Dasani]

I waited eight years.

[Justin Colby]

Yeah.

[Cam Dasani]

It was worth it. I made half a million.

[Justin Colby]

I mean, some people thought bitcoin. So I heard predictions of a hundred thousand per bitcoin a while ago and I think it was at like 36 or 46 or something. I'm like a hundred thousand dollars. Like, I suppose, like, I get the, I get the reasoning behind it. And it got there relatively quick. It was not that long. And so there's no reason, because there is a finite amount of them, that it can't hit a million dollars of bitcoin. But then here's how I think about this. Not all the meme coins, but let's even say in Ethereum, Solana or Solano, could you reach more than a 10x multiple on those? Yeah. Even if bitcoin hit a million, you're really talking about a 10x multiple, which is massive, don't get me wrong. Yeah, but I do. Not knowing anything, by the way, so this is very naive of me. But like I look at a Salana or Ethereum and say, could, could Ethereum hit $30,000 or 50,000 or 60,000? Like, I believe there's a chance for that. If bitcoin can get to a million and that's just a 10x multiple, couldn't Ethereum get to a 20x multiple?

[Cam Dasani]

In theory, yes. You know what XRP is?

[Justin Colby]

I do. Okay.

[Cam Dasani]

So I think XRP has more potential in terms of like multiple. But I had a run in crypto in 2020 and then also from 2023 to late 2024 off of very specific altcoins.

[Justin Colby]

Yeah.

[Cam Dasani]

Okay. That are much lower market cap than anything that we've talked about today. So there, there. It's almost like, and I know this sounds crazy, but like the equivalent of like penny stocks, but for crypto.

[Justin Colby]

Sure.

[Cam Dasani]

Why did I invest in those? Because those are my gambles, Those are my. And they hit.

[Justin Colby]

Yeah.

[Cam Dasani]

So this cycle, though, I'm not seeing as much with the altcoin market because there's too many platforms that were made by crypto guys where anybody can go and make an altcoin really easily.

[Justin Colby]

Yep.

[Cam Dasani]

And now that market is very, very saturated and it's just harder to find what you're looking for.

[Justin Colby]

Well, there was back in what Covid days, all the meme coins and all that stuff was just like, I couldn't even understand it. Right. The names of the mall, they had no utility. It was literally like an influencer. Say, I'm going to go make this. Everyone join the train. It's going to go spike and then we're all going to sell and be rich. That's what I felt like it was doing.

[Cam Dasani]

Yeah. And, and here's the thing people need to understand about investing though, right. Is that a lot of people doubt themselves because they think investing is like, it requires you to be a sophisticated person. You think the angel investors in the Silicon Valley are that smart? It's like no, they're just connected and they evaluate five or six companies a year and they bet. Like my friend puts 15 grand a year in different seed round tech companies that are just getting their start. Chances are he's going to lose it all. But if one of them hits, he's going to win. And that's his gambling money. He makes 1.2 million a year working at Okta and that's his gamble money. So once again, risk tolerance, swing trades. Bitcoin is my safe investment because it's a predictable cycle. People think it's risky. It's risky. If you need your money fast and it's volatile. Yeah, I don't need my money fast. So that's my safe investment and then my gamble money. I'm not looking at altcoins this cycle. I haven't really figured out what my gamble is yet.

[Justin Colby]

And that's okay. Yeah. And, and there's different cycles and different seasons and different chapters and I'm sure something will hit your radar relatively soon that you're like, this could be the good gamble.

[Cam Dasani]

Yeah. If somebody comes to my desk with like a tech technology platform or something, something cool in the software world, I'd be open to it for sure. But yeah, yeah.

[Justin Colby]

Everyone, I would need you to go follow Cam.

[Cam Dasani]

Instagram is Profit with Cam K. So Profit with km and then I have a special gift for your listeners. I've never released this live.

[Justin Colby]

Sure.

[Cam Dasani]

I want to give Everybody here a 14 day trial to the Discord. And I never do free trials. You have other videos where I literally say like I don't do free trials. And here's why. The reason why I don't do free trials is because most people that want a free trial aren't serious to begin with.

[Justin Colby]

That's right.

[Cam Dasani]

And I think we've all seen this.

[Justin Colby]

So you sure you want to do it?

[Cam Dasani]

I am. Here's why. I'm structuring it in a certain way. So you come in, we do an onboarding call, and you get 14 days to follow our trades. Within one day, you'll be set up on Robin Hood, and you'll be able to enter our trades.

[Justin Colby]

Okay.

[Cam Dasani]

I believe that in two weeks, you will see two things. I can't guarantee that you're going to make money in exactly two weeks because I don't know when the trades are going to end based on when you join. That's just impossible for me to predict. But I do know that you will see two things. You will see one, how organized we are and how much our clients are happy with us. Two, you will be able to scroll through the past and see the wins and losses.

[Justin Colby]

Yeah.

[Cam Dasani]

So it'll be worth it. So I'm letting you in so you can see that it's legit because we're in such a trust recession, as they call it.

[Justin Colby]

Yeah.

[Cam Dasani]

And I want you to come in and really do your due diligence. At no risk to you.

[Justin Colby]

Yeah.

[Cam Dasani]

So we'll do an onboarding call. We'll teach you the basics. You'll come to office. You can come to office hours four days a week for the first two weeks and learn. Learn a bunch. And if.

[Justin Colby]

If.

[Cam Dasani]

If you feel like you figured it out after that and you want to go on your own and, And. And you don't want to invest in yourself and. And work with us, that. That's totally fine. That's. That's the risk that I'm willing to take.

[Justin Colby]

Yeah.

[Cam Dasani]

So we'll put the discord link in the description.

[Justin Colby]

Yep.

[Cam Dasani]

And once you join, I'll have to approve you manually. Once I preview manually, I'll reach out to you. We'll schedule your onboarding call.

[Justin Colby]

That is Cam Bassani. I'm Justin Colby. This is the entrepreneur DNA. Make sure to follow this man. If you think someone probably should reach out to Cam or is interested in this stuff or is feeling just that they aren't hitting their potential, make sure they reach out to Cam. Go follow them. Share this with two of those friends, and we'll see you on the next episode. Peace.

[Cam Dasani]

Peace.

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