Mindset Matters - Episode #214 - Why Critical Thinking Is Disappearing and How to Get It Back

Summary

Podcast Summary: The Everyday Millionaire and Mindset Matters Podcast

Episode 214: "Why Critical Thinking Is Disappearing and How to Get It Back"

Host: Patrick Francey
Guest: Stephanie Hanlon Francey (Olympic Mental Performance Coach)
Date: December 4, 2025

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Main Theme

This episode explores the troubling decline of critical thinking in contemporary society, fueled by social media polarization, political divisiveness, and the "death of nuance." Using insights from influencer Jasmine Lane’s passionate rant as a launch point, Patrick and Stephanie reflect on how these trends impact personal mindset, relationships, and the ability to live in alignment with one’s values. They probe strategies for reclaiming critical thought and fostering authentic, values-driven conversations despite external pressures.

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. The "Death of Nuance" and Critical Thinking

• Jasmine Lane’s Rant:
  Patrick reads and adapts a transcription of a viral rant from Jasmine Lane that laments society's growing inability to handle complexity or nuanced perspectives, especially online.
  • Everything is now "black or white, good or evil, left or right," and even slight disagreements trigger extreme reactions (03:10).
  • Asking for context or deeper understanding is replaced by "instant outrage, instant judgment, instant stupidity" (03:35).
  • Lane argues, “The less we think, the easier we are to control… we just accept whatever black and white solution we’re handed, even if it’s not for the greater good” (05:25).
• Patrick’s Reflection:
  Patrick identifies with Jasmine's points, noting how genuine debate and intellectual friction have given way to reactive tribalism and social media mobbing. He wonders, “How did we get here?” and points to the widening social, political, and generational gaps (08:34).

2. The Loss of Safe, Open Dialogue

• Stephanie’s Perspective:
  Stephanie recalls pre-2020 times when friends with differing views could have “fiery conversations” and still remain close. Now, “you have to take a stand one way or the other, and the nuances are lost,” which leads to anxiety over being “doxed or vilified or canceled” (11:15).
  • “I want to be able to, you know, not impose my opinions, but at least express them in a way...” (12:00).

3. Societal and Generational Shifts

• The hosts discuss natural generational divides but contend that today’s polarization is unprecedented, with “boomers” and “millennials” farther apart than ever (09:45).
• Political identity is less clear: “I think I’m conservative, but I have a lot of liberal views… when it comes to social support programs, I think there’s an absolute need for that. But it’s just gotten out of control” (14:11).

4. Integrity, Values, and the Cost of Compromise

• Disconnection Between Private and Public Selves:
  Many people feel forced to act against their own values at work or in public for fear of social consequences (20:45).
  • “Who you are at work is totally different than who you are in your day to day life… you gotta go to work and show up… like putting this mask on” (21:48).
• Toll of Inauthenticity:
  Living out of alignment with values leads to “a physical, mental, emotional, [and] spiritual toll," manifesting as stress or illness (22:49).
• Stephanie’s Call to Reassess:
  “How do you live your life and still stay true to what you believe, but also try to fit into a culture that is telling you something that makes no sense?” (24:22)

5. Fear, Anger, and Social Fragmentation

• The episode links rising anger and polarization to underlying fear, especially of job loss, social isolation, and loss of control—aggravated by economic pressures (25:25).
  • Patrick: “If you’re one of those individuals finding themselves being angry all the time, it’ll be linked back to fear almost always” (28:13).

6. Reclaiming Critical Thinking: Tools and Mindset

• Personal Agency:
  Each person must acknowledge what they are compromising by not living their truth and seek out safe environments for honest dialogue (23:07; 28:13).
• Stephanie:
  • Encourages listeners to “elevate”—rise above reactivity by practicing self-awareness and aligning actions with core values (33:42).
  • “Your isness is my business... what is for you is what we need to deal with. And when I think about the government or the polarity and the division... all that's going on right now... we need to deal with that. We can’t keep judging it and keep our energy low into the battle” (32:31).
• Patrick:
  Emphasizes the need to “find an environment, a trusted friend you can sit down” with to clear mental clutter and realign oneself (28:31).

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Notable Quotes and Memorable Moments

• Jasmine Lane’s adapted quote read by Patrick:
  "All evidence points to a reality that we have lost the ability to handle any sort of nuance or deep thought about a particular subject... Everything is black or white. It's good or evil, it's left or right... we just react." (03:00–04:10)
• Stephanie on old conversations:
  "We used to go for dinner with people before 2020... different political views, different religious views... we'd laugh and we'd cry and we'd hug at the end of the night and drive home. And now, you can't do that." (07:40)
• Patrick’s dilemma:
  “It’s not a hill I want to die on. I don’t feel like we can make a difference often... in that world of trying to close the gap, the divisiveness.” (16:31)
• Stephanie on outliers:
  “As an outlier, I’ve never fit in... I also force myself to listen to the other side. And it’s like nails on a chalkboard. It’s like, what am I missing?” (18:35)
• Patrick on workplace misalignment:
  “How emotionally, mentally, spiritually has that gotta be taking a toll?... Not living true to what you truly believe, that becomes living a life out of integrity.” (21:56)
• Stephanie on personal cost:
  "Think about the people I know that have compromised their values to fit in… try to fit into a culture that is telling you something that makes no sense." (24:18)
• Patrick on anger and fear:
  "What we know about anger... it's most often driven by fear" (24:56)
• Stephanie on the way forward:
  "We can't keep judging it and keep our energy low... what the brilliance is of our podcast... is that we have to deal with what is... and then move forward into their what's next." (33:11)
• Patrick’s closing counsel:
  “You have to elevate. You have to figure out how to rise above your circumstances, or you will be pulled down.” (33:45)

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• [03:00–06:45] Jasmine Lane's rant and critical thinking observations
• [08:10–11:00] Pre- and post-2020 changes in civil discourse
• [14:00–16:30] Political polarization and shifting governmental roles
• [20:45–23:00] Integrity vs. compliance in professional and social life
• [25:15–28:13] Exploring anger, fear, and social control
• [32:31–34:10] Strategies for rising above and reclaiming agency

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Closing Thoughts

Patrick and Stephanie’s conversation highlights the seduction of tribal thinking and the dangers of suppressing independent thought. They urge listeners to examine their own patterns, to find safe spaces for honest discussion, and to move from reactivity toward clarity and alignment with personal values. Their parting message: embrace nuance, seek understanding, and “elevate” above the noise—because reclaiming our thinking is essential for personal well-being and societal health.

Transcript

[A]

Foreign.

Welcome to this episode of the Everyday Millionaire Mindset Matters podcast, where I'm joined by my wife, Olympic mental performance coach Stephanie Hanlon. Francie. In these episodes, Stephanie and I have a conversation about the different aspects of what we refer to as Mindset Matters because we believe that for those who are awake, we are living in and through the most impactful time in history. Your view of the world is the filter for how you will experience the evolution and changing dynamics of it. Our intention is to provide you with ideas, nutritious food for thought, and some tools that you can use to help you in being your greatest self and living your best life. Listen in. Enjoy.

Hey there. Welcome to the Everyday Millionaire Mindset Matters. Stephanie.

[B]

Hey. On.

[A]

So there's a. We'll call her an influencer, Jasmine Lane. And every so often I come across her in my Twitter feed. And earlier this week, she had made a post and it was just. She was ranting. It was just a rant. She looked into the camera, did this really cool rant. But I. I just totally resonated with it and I went, such a great topic and such an interesting topic, I think, for us to unpack. So I took the transcription, kind of added some of my own nuances to it, but I wanted to kind of lay this out, this, call it a rant out, and then I'm going to talk about it because I think there's some really great stuff in there. When we talk about mind shui and clearing the clutter of our minds, all the things that we speak to, I think this was just a great topic and something that we can unpack. So are you okay? I'm going to go through this transcript. Read it. It's probably three minutes, I'm guessing.

[B]

Yeah, for sure. I mean, I'm a huge Jasmine Lane fan. She is a powerful woman who's been through hell and back since the pandemic, and I just really respect who she is as a journalist, first of all, as a human being. So I'm excited to do this.

[A]

Okay. And in classic Patrick and Stephanie way, you have no idea what I'm about to present to you.

[B]

Thanks, dude.

[A]

Okay. So fun, but you're so smart. We're going to get this handled. Okay? You ready?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Okay, here we go. Hit me. I honestly don't think people realize how stupid we have become as a species. If you ever scroll on social media, it is so obvious that people just cannot and do not think anymore. All evidence points to a reality that we have lost the ability to handle any sort of nuance or deep thought about a particular subject. Everything is black or white. It's good or evil, it's left or right. Either you're all in or you're all out, to the point that if you even disagree a little with somebody by even the slightest degree, you're canceled, you're blocked, you're trolled, you're slapped with some label that's intended to put you down and ultimately to shut you up. We can see this play out in comment sections of the various platforms that we may participate on day after day. It seems particularly clear that this isn't an accident, because when everything becomes extreme, you're either this or you're that. There's no in between at all. So it seems people stop thinking and they just react. So I don't know about you, but have you ever noticed that perhaps you or someone makes a simple single sentence comment and people lose their shit? And it's not because they listen. No. It's not because they heard what you said. No, not at all. And it's not because they understand what you were getting at, but because they've been trained to hear everything as an attack. It seems like one day was as if half the country woke up and decided to never again ask, what did you mean? What's the context for what you were saying? Is there more to this? Instead it's just instant outrage, instant judgment, instant stupidity. And it seems that to think critically requires nuance. It requires some friction. It requires the ability to sometimes hold two ideas at once, to actually ask questions, to have questions asked of you, to explain the complexity of things and also really just have the courage to say, sometimes this is really complicated. It's not simple. It's not a one size fits all. There are lots of little details in any issue over time, and I'm going to say, particularly since 2020, society as a whole has just decided that it's totally okay to flatten the most complex issues that impact everybody differently, that everybody's going to have a different take on it because of their own experience in life and their own thought processes. But we get hammered all by all of the slogans, by all of the talking points into moral absolutes. And then we get really mad at everybody who doesn't agree with us. And the divisiveness and the polarity in politics is something we've never witnessed before. My point is it's as if it's a crime that everybody doesn't agree. We know everybody's living a completely different life, but the truth and the Reality that nobody seems to want to acknowledge is that the less we think, the easier we are to control. The less that we can tolerate any nuance. The less that we ask questions and be curious or try to get to the bottom of something, the more that many just seem to accept whatever black and white solution they're handed, even if the end outcome is not for the greater good, but they feel like it's the greater good because it's from their team, their echo chamber, who told you that it's for the greater good. It seems that the death of nuance has made us not only intentionally or intellectually weaker, but also politically obedient. We are no longer living in a society that encourages thinking of any kind. We are actually living in a society that actively punishes thinking for yourself. Now, not word for word by any stretch, but what's your thoughts on all that?

[B]

Well, I'm a huge Jasmine Lane fan. I've followed her since, you know, she was fired from, you know, mainstream media and went through what she went through, and watching her evolve and grow, and to hear this particular rant and to resonate with it really means that even some of the things we've talked about in mindset matters around critical thinking, all the, you know, cognitive dissonance, cognitive distortion, all the things that we've talked about over the last four years, 200, what, 16 episodes, is that, you know, there's other people that are echoing these comments and these concerns and the ability to re. Engage in critical thinking, to bring conversations so that we could. I mean, we used to go for dinner with people before 2020 and that had different political views and different religious views and different. And we would have interesting conversations and we'd pull things out of each other and we'd laugh and we'd cry and we'd hug at the end of the night and drive home. Yeah, right. And now you can't do that. And I think that's what she's saying so eloquently.

[A]

So I think, you know, the point of all of this, and, you know, Jasmine is one of those individuals who is really thoughtful in what she puts out there. And. And. But I think the topic is really interesting because we do see the breakdown. You know, we witness it now from my perspective, you know, and given how we operate, what we do, we see the kind of. The breakdown of what I'll call. I don't know what to call it, a social construct. It's changing. And then I think about it, you know, we get philosophical about it and we go, well, how do we deal with it? The divisiveness. And the thing about it is the divisiveness is happening and the polarity is happening within families, within marriages, you know, relationships, it seems, and I don't know if it's my imagination, I don't think it is because others are experiencing it where it is black and white, it is divisive, it is polarizing. And I'm going, how did we get here? And then we think about the generational differences and X and Y's and Z's and boomers and all the things that are going on. And, and I can only get a little bit philosophical about it. And I think about, you know, as a kid growing up, you know, I had, you know, I had long hair. You know, that certainly wasn't a good thing for my, my, my dad, you know, you know, like long haired. Holy cow, what are you doing right?

[B]

Hippie.

[A]

Yeah, hippies. And all of the things that we went through. So there was certainly generationally, the boomers were certainly different than their parents. So I go, okay, well, there's just some societal shifts that happen through, you know, technology and understanding and education. So we can't expect millennials to be, you know, necessarily align with boomers. We can't necessarily, you know, those generational gaps that seem to be getting wider, in some cases, the political gaps that are seeming to be wider. I think the question is we can't solve that problem. That's really, we can go down that and debate that all day long, but it isn't a case of solving the problem. It's like, how do we deal with it in our day to day life? How do we actually manage it? You know, when we think about the concept of clearing the mental clutter, this really is walking into a room that's full of shit. There's a lot of crap around that has to be cleared to actually see a way forward. So from my perspective, if I'm looking at and listening to that rant, it's as much as I agree with it and I align with most of was just a question more about how do we deal with it? How do we support people in dealing with it? And it's, I think, a very individual thing. I think there is a place where we can all see, sit back or stand back and ask ourselves, are we that person that she's describing? Are we so black and white? Are we so not willing to listen to somebody else's story, understand their circumstances, or do we have to cut them down? You know, whatever the story may Be you follow?

[B]

Yeah. Like, shut them out. I think that's what I was saying before, is that, you know, before 2020, you and I were able to go to dinner with people that had different opinions, different political stances, you know, religious, and we could have conversations. And now it's like, no, you can't do that anymore. You have to take a stand one way or the other, and the nuances are lost. And for me, that is what I believe we need to start to bring back, is that. How do we enter conversations with people we love, people we don't love? Like, we like that we like. I think about the people that I really, really miss that we used to have dinners with and. And. And fiery conversations and differences of opinions and left and right and up and down and black and white and this and that. And I miss that. I miss that because I feel like if I express that if I come out with my opinions, then I'm going to be doxed or vilified or canceled. And you know what? I just. In a stage of my life where I just don't give a shit. I want to be who I am, and I want to be able to, you know, not impose my opinions, but at least express them in a way. And I think about what's happening in Canada with, you know, Bill C8 3 and 9 and 63. And like, don't get me going with always all the.

[A]

Literally, like, think about it. Yeah. Think about this. Some of these. I think it's C9. I can't keep up with all the bills. But my point is. Sorry to interrupt.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

Is that literally we could find ourselves being kicked off the air like, we could find ourselves being shut down just for even having this conversation, having an opinion, having an opinion, like, it's a little frightening. So how do we mentally deal with it? Because we can't change it. So, you know, when I think about the frustration of. I mean, there's something that comes with being the age we are, and that is a little bit of wisdom. Now, I'm not saying that we're up to speed with all the things that are going on in the world and all the technology, and I don't profess to be that. I don't at all. But I look at what's happening in terms of understanding economy, understanding health, understanding what it takes to drive a healthy economy. And when we consider what's happened with Canada, and I mean, we can look around the world and see this happening where we see the oligarchy taking over, the socialism, the. You Know what liberals are? I mean, gosh, what's the difference between a liberal and an NDP and a socialist? I mean, there's no differences anymore.

[B]

It's globalism that's taking over.

[A]

It is globalism, isn't it? And I think the part of it that pisses me off is, go back to the five years that we were just talking about is that there was a time where we could have that conversation. And it was, it was healthy debate. It was. Was healthy arguments, we'll call it, and disagreements. And it was all good. But we would still, you know, the next weekend or a month later, still go for dinner with those people. Like it was. There was never that walk away with hard feelings. That seems to be changing in so many circles. And, and because now you don't even consider those conversations anymore because you don't know what's going to be heard as offside. And so I think there's a fundamental. That's tougher for, let's say, the boomer, many of the boomer generation. I consider myself a compassionate capitalist entrepreneur, solopreneur. I, I was at what. There was a point where, if I remember, it wasn't that many years ago. I'm going to say 10 years ago, a new friend, good acquaintance, asked me, he said, so are you kind of liberal or are you conservative? And I go, I think I'm conservative, but I have a lot of liberal views, you know, and certainly when it comes to social constructs, social support programs, et cetera, I think there's, you know, there's an absolute need for that. But it's just gotten out of control. And I want to go, I don't want to step over this. I know I'm kind of ranting a little bit here. Let me just finish this and then I'll turn the mic back to you. Is that when we look at what's happening politically, there was a time when we could have these conversations thinking the government works for us. And it was like a given. The government was there to serve the people that was there to serve us. We voted them in roads, health care.

[B]

You know, all the stuff that's right.

[A]

And we may not have always agreed with the political views, but, I mean, at the end of the day. But now it's like, no, no, no. The people work for the government. And I don't mean just in real public jobs, which there's an abundance of, but that's like, it seems that way. It's like, when did we, when did we have to start fearing our government because of their socialist controlling views. I'd never said up until recently the three Cs of government control, control, control.

[B]

Oh, my God.

[A]

And. But that's what it is.

[B]

He voted the man, like, what the hell?

[A]

So I didn't.

[B]

I didn't. You didn't.

[A]

But I'm undead. Yeah. So my. Where am I going with this? So the. I have to breathe through this shit. So we have to say, well, how do we handle these conversations? And it really is about being able to express an opinion, but doing it, what, delicately, diplomatically. I don't even know what that means anymore. Seek first to understand, then to be understood. But I think Jasmine makes a really good point where I know for myself, it's like, man, it's not a hill I want to die on. It's not a hill that I want to fight for. I don't know where to go with it sometimes. And is. Is the. I don't feel like we can make a difference often in that. In that world of trying to close the gap, the divisiveness, if you will. So I don't know where I'm going with this, but I just wanted to put it out there for you.

[B]

No, I get it. I get it. And you know what's really interesting is that, you know, you listen to. For me, I have more of a. I think I'm more conservative leaning. You know, I was raised, you know, my parents were very much, you know, capitalist with a very social credit kind of background, because my mom, you know, both of my parents had great jobs and they were in unions, and then my mom got into management and. But what I learned through that whole journey is that we need to be able to be autonomous. We need to have an opinion. And if we don't have that opinion and we don't have a way to look at the world, you know, holographically, then we're going to be swept up into this whole thing that we're in right now, which is, I believe, really damaging. And, you know, you know, my favorite book, of course, is 1984, and with, you know, George Orwell and Aldous Huxley, again, is one of my other favorite authors. But when you look at the world that we're living in right now, and we look at both sides, all sides, holographically, there's a leaning towards compliance, there's a leaning towards fitting in. And as an outlier, I've never fit in. You know, I've never really fit in as an athlete or as a coach or whatever. I've always Sort of had my own view of the world, which is why I love whether it's Jasmine Lane or Moose on the Loose or there's some conservative kind of podcasts that I listen to that are, yes, they're right leaning, but they're so neutral when it comes to the opinion. But I also force myself to listen to the other side. And it's like nails on a chalkboard. It's like, what am I missing? I'm. I mean, I'm educated, I went to university. I. We're entrepreneurs. We are living the life, our best life. We are coaching, we are trying to help people elevate themselves to their best life yet. Our government in Canada is. It's almost like this negative or this magnet that's pulling us to this.

Social construct that we're forced to agree, whether it's gender identity or ideology or.

You know, political left leaning to be right. And then we're saying that we can't have, we can't pull our oil and gas out of the ground or we can't go to the go. Like it makes no sense.

[A]

Okay, so I got something. Okay, we're not going to solve the political problems here. That's not my goal around this. I think the conversation is more around how do we deal with it. So we understand that it's a misalignment with. Of values. It always. Well, you didn't say always. Most often comes back to values. And what do we consider are our highest values, our core values and what's happened within the political, they're also. It also impacts our moral values. That's also what's being challenged. But I think when we consider that what is also happening in the background, you know, the mental challenges that many face is they feel, for example, in their working environment that they have to toe the line. It's not who they are. And we, because, you know, we just know people. We know people that are working, let's say for universities or we're working for. In, in corporate jobs where, you know, they got to tow the DEI line or, or they got tow the line.

[B]

Do the land acknowledgments.

[A]

Land acknowledgments. Or they, or they. Or, or yeah, or they can't hire the best person for the job, they have to hire the inclusive person for the job. And so these are things that they're working with every single day that doesn't align. And I'm going, wow, how big of an energy drain is that gotta be. How emotionally, mentally, spiritually has that gotta be taking a Toll. And so I think that, you know, that's an integrity issue. Right? Who you are at work is totally different than who you are in life, in your day to day life. Your family, your friends, for example. Yeah, you gotta go to work and show up in this. You know, it's like putting this mask on. And I, and I feel sorry for somebody who is feeling trapped in that scenario, doesn't know how to change it. So then the question then becomes about how do you deal with it? And I don't necessarily have the answer. I think it's a very individual thing, but certainly acknowledging it out loud, you know, somewhere along the line so that you're not carrying this inner dialogue of beating yourself up. But there is a lot of people that are trapped in that scenario. And I talk a lot about the bureaucracy of universities or the school system and bureau crazies. The bureau crazies, one of my pet peeves. So you start to think about that and the weight that people carry with it. So I think it becomes an issue of how do you deal with it. Or maybe people don't recognize it, they have to deal with it because they don't understand what they're compromising. When it comes to not living true to who you really are, not living true to what you truly believe, that becomes living a life out of integrity. And that takes a physical, mental, emotional, spiritual toll. It often manifests itself physically, whether that be with weight gain or illness or stress related colds and flus and those kinds of things. So I think there's a part of it where coming clean in a safe environment, having the conversation, talking yourself through it, and maybe that leads to a different decision. Maybe it leads to, you know something, My health, my mental health is, is not worth the compromise that I make every single day for many hours a day. I think many people become numb to it and they just go, that's just the way it is. Maybe, but I think you pay a price for that. And when it comes to having a great life, I don't think it's, you know, personally I would encourage anybody to really think about. Do you, do you realize the price you're paying for that?

[B]

That's a great question. I mean, I think about the people that I know that have compromised their values to fit in or to know, take a, you know, an armed art to travel or do the things that were against their values but they wanted to fit in. You know, think of integrity. Think of it, think, think of what that means is that how do you live your life and still stay true to what you believe, but also try to fit in into a culture that is telling you something that makes no sense.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Like, to me, that's the. That's the battle.

[A]

Yeah. And I think back to Jasmine's frustration in her, you know, in this. This version of this rant is that where have we come to. And think about one other thing? Is that what we know about anger, one of the things that we've come to realize about anger is it's very, very often, most often, I would hazard to guess, driven by fear, a hundred percent. So. But think about this. When you've got either side of this divisive polarity, you know, the anxiety and fear that many are forced to live in because of their working circumstances or their life circumstances where they can't risk saying anything. So they carry this weight, this weight of not feeling safe in saying anything. So there are many. And I would hazard to guess that if I was to get philosophical about it, it's all anecdotal. But think about the increase.

In violence, for example, you know, spontaneous people spontaneously combusting, you know, on the street, because somebody just said the wrong thing, looked at them the wrong way, or whatever the scenario might be. But I think there's a lot of just that angst and fear of not fear of saying anything and risking being ostracized or attacked, you know, verbally, not necessarily physically, but I think that carries a big weight. And so the next thing you know, you've got a lot of people walking around operating on just a lot of fear on top of a shit economy.

[B]

Right.

[A]

You know, on top of people losing jobs, on top of all that's going on in the world that you have no control over. So there's this. I think. I think there's just a lot of people living in real fear. And, you know, JG and I were talking about this on our reign. It in the other day, is that the upper percentile of income earners, when you look at what's going on economically, even JG he actually used the language and he says, you know, he went to F1 and went to Vegas, you know, fricking $30 a drink, blah, blah, blah. It pissed him off and he made it. But, you know, did he stop ordering wall bangers? Maybe, you know, maybe he went to a $20 beer. I don't know. But my point. And I said to him on the show, I go, yeah, you're the classic example of that top 30% income earners that when they look at what's going on in the world today. They're at the effect of it. It pisses them off. It's a little more expensive, but it doesn't really change their lifestyle. They may decide to stay at home and cook dinner rather than go out and spend, you know, $500 on a dinner. But my point is that that's not the majority of people and they're operating on top of number one. Again, the divisiveness, the polarity, the extreme, what seems to me to be such an extreme left politically that I don't even know what is right anymore. I've lost the plot. And anyways, because as as many know, I can get pretty fired up about politics. But you know, for all my ranting and raving, there's nothing that really changes. It does make me feel better though. That's how I clear it up. Anyways, the point, so the point of all of this, you know, for the value that we hope to always bring in the podcast, is a different train of thought, a way of looking at what you might be operating on top of. If you're listening to this and you're one of those individuals that are finding themselves being angry all the time, it'll be linked back to fear almost always. And it mostly is going to be linked back to fear of losing a job, change of lifestyle, fear of losing what you created. I mean, all those things and especially when it's beyond your control, when we've got different municipal, provincial, federal governments that are calling the shots that it seems the squeaky wheel minority gets all the grease. That's what it seems like. So I would encourage anybody to, you know, find an environment trusted friend that you can sit down, put on the line, have a conversation with, maybe not walk away with any answers, but perhaps a conversation that at least clears the clutter, helps you align. What's your thoughts, Any words of wisdom?

[B]

Well, a shout out to Jasmine Lane. You know what, I can be your bestie, you know, hashtag Stephanie Hanlon. I've been following her for a long time. I watch her, I respect her, I see her vulnerability. There's people out there that are doing this. They're, they're putting their lives on the line. They're, they're, they're, they're speaking out. I know we've been doing this for now a couple of years, four years, couple hundred episodes, we've been talking about mindset, but what we haven't really done, hun, is that we haven't really pulled this like we've done tonight. Like how do we show up for who we are and what we believe in. And do we take a stand, you know, on the verge of C9 and C3 and C&63 and whatever? Like.

Do we. Do we put ourselves out there? We haven't really. I think people that listen to us and our friends and our followers and the people that believe in us understand that our values are going to lead us. It doesn't make it right or wrong. It just means that we're going to stick to our values, we're going to be true to ourselves, and we're going to navigate and like duck and dodge based on what's going on. And to be really honest, I don't believe that our government is actually.

Voted in. I think we are living in a globalist society that when you think of the World Economic Forum and the World Health Organization, I'm still devastated about the ostriches. Just FYI. I'm still devastated with what happened, but that showed. The truth of what's going on is that we are not voting in people that are going to represent us.

[A]

But here's the thing about that. Let's start. You. Let me just go back one thing. Am I interrupting your train of thought? Total go. Okay, but I want to just. But this goes back, you know, think about the ostrich scenario. So there'll be probably people even listening to this podcast that go, yeah, you guys are full of shit. That whole ostrich thing, you know, the farmers did this wrong and they did that wrong. You know what I'm saying is that there's so. But there isn't a right or wrong. There isn't anybody listening to the other side of the story. I go out of my way, and it's painful to listen to Evie's trains of thought or, you know, whatever other jagging jibo. He quit. Finally. Finally, he's gone. Okay? So my point is, is that. That therein lies some of the divisiveness that goes on. It's that black and white, and it isn't black and white. There's probably a lot of really valid. I doubt it, but there may be lots of valid reasons around the ostriches and what the government chose to do. I mean, millions, Millions of poultry.

[B]

Chickens are killed every year in our neighborhood, just FYI.

[A]

All sorts of reasons. Right? So there's some legitimacy to it. We think so, anyways. We don't know about it, so I don't want to talk to it as an expert by any stretch of the imagination. But you're right, it is how things are delivered and how things are set up. And I go back to we voted the government in, but it doesn't feel like that. The bigger question in the context of the podcast is how do we handle it? How do we carry that weight emotionally, mentally, spiritually?

[B]

That's our commitment. That's our commitment, is that we deal with what is and then we move forward based on the tools we have, is that we don't get stuck. I think that's what the brilliance is of our podcast and our work. We have to deal with what is. And I always say to my clients is like, your isness is my business, so I don't need to know or judge what is going on. But what's going on, what is for you, is what we need to deal with. And when I think about the government or the polarity and the division and the bullshit, all that's going on right now in the country.

We need to deal with that. We can't keep judging it and keep our energy low into the, you know.

Whatever the battle is.

I think what's brilliant about even with the Mind Shui program and I'm watching the. The beta clients and stuff, I'm like, they're ready to elevate. They're ready to have the conversation about what is and then move forward into their what's next.

[A]

I think you said it right there, which is you have to elevate. You have to figure out how to rise above. Whatever your circumstances are, you have to rise above or you will be pulled down. That is the crab in the bucket theory, right? The one crab or the.

[B]

Or the Paul Poppy in Australia.

[A]

Right? It's all Poppy syndrome. Okay, So I think we beat this one up. Elevate.

[B]

Yeah. And good job. And you know what, Jasmine Lane, we. We got you. We believe in you and we're gonna spread your message and, you know, be strong, girl.

[A]

We're gonna spread. We just spread this message anyways. Okay. Thanks, Stephanie.

[B]

Thanks on. That was fun.

[A]

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