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You Had a Lot of Questions About the Election

The Ezra Klein Show

Published: Tue Dec 10 2024

This is our first bonus content of the paywall era, a subscriber-only, election-themed “ask me anything.” If you haven’t subscribed and would like to, you can do that directly through Apple Podcasts and Spotify, or click here. If you don’t want to subscribe, you’ll still have an end-of-year “ask me anything” coming down your feed — a mix of politics and things in life that, thankfully, aren’t politics. And if you do subscribe, thank you so much for supporting the show. We hope you enjoy this little extra for your money. Thank you, also, to everyone who sent in questions. We read them all and wish we had time to get to more of them. But in the time that we had, the show’s supervising editor, Claire Gordon, quizzed Ezra with listeners’ questions on the meaning of “the working class,” whether an election that seemed to hinge on the economy could qualify as postmaterialist, the lessons he worries the Democrats will overlearn, his response to L.G.B.T.Q. voters who fear political back...

Summary

The Ezra Klein Show: "You Had a Lot of Questions About the Election"

Release Date: December 10, 2024

In this subscriber-only Ask Me Anything (AMA) episode of The Ezra Klein Show, host Ezra Klein is joined by senior editor Claire Gordon to address a myriad of listener-submitted questions centered around the recent election. The discussion delves deep into the shifting political landscape, the challenges facing the Democratic Party, and the broader implications for American democracy.

1. Defining the Working Class

Key Discussion:
The conversation begins with listeners Garrett Burnett and Andrew Owen questioning the definition of the "working class" amidst evolving economic landscapes. Ezra Klein acknowledges the complexity of defining this demographic, arguing that neither income nor education alone can encapsulate its entirety.

Notable Quote:

"[00:01:55] Ezra Klein: 'Ah, nice easy question about an endlessly contested definitional controversy... So if you say the working class, is anybody making less than $50,000? Well, you got a lot of English PhD students who are making less than $50,000. Is an English PhD student at Yale a member of the working class? Maybe, in a sense.'"

Ezra emphasizes the importance of using education as a more consistent metric over income, highlighting its correlation with cultural capital and long-term socioeconomic trajectories.

2. Post-Materialism in Elections

Key Discussion:
Noah Case poses a question on whether the recent election trends support or undermine the theory of post-material politics. Ezra Klein responds by affirming that modern elections are inherently post-material but stresses that material concerns like inflation still play a significant role.

Notable Quote:

"[00:06:41] Ezra Klein: 'All elections are now post material elections... Inflation was very, very important this year in that way. I wouldn't say it was a post material election at all.'"

He further explains that while the range of issues has broadened beyond just material concerns, voters' perceptions of economic conditions remain heavily influenced by partisan affiliations.

3. Lessons for the Democratic Party

Key Discussion:
Listeners inquire about potential missteps and overemphases the Democratic Party might make in interpreting the election results. Ezra warns against the party overcorrecting on issues like trans rights, which may alienate key voter segments.

Notable Quote:

"[00:10:02] Ezra Klein: 'I think there is more likelihood on that of an overcorrection where particularly trans people get thrown under the bus...'"

He critiques the Democratic strategy of focusing on internal coalition demands over broader voter concerns, suggesting that this has contributed to their electoral challenges.

4. Trans and Queer Issues in Politics

Key Discussion:
Don Frost, a young genderqueer listener, expresses fear over increasing violence and feeling expendable within the Democratic Party's strategies. Ezra empathizes but remains critical of the party's handling of such issues.

Notable Quote:

"[00:16:22] Ezra Klein: 'I can't speak for the Democratic Party... If you are trying to protect vulnerable people, or if you are a vulnerable person who is working in politics, you have to take the politics really seriously.'"

He reflects on past political maneuvers concerning LGBTQ+ rights, drawing parallels to advise caution against strategies that may backfire and harm vulnerable communities.

5. The Gaza Conflict and Foreign Policy

Key Discussion:
Josh Wardle raises concerns about the Democratic Party's silence on Gaza during the campaign and the potential consequences of Trump's administration on the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. Ezra provides a bleak outlook on the prospects for a just resolution under the incoming administration.

Notable Quote:

"[00:23:46] Ezra Klein: 'Donald Trump, from the signals being sent by these appointments, is really frightening... I don't see the pathway for it.'"

He expresses skepticism about America's influence over Israel and worries about the acceleration of Israeli occupation policies.

6. Urban Policy and Democratic Strategies

Key Discussion:
Matthew Driling discusses the shift of traditionally Democratic strongholds like California and New York towards Trump, proposing that local elections could be arenas for implementing policies that support the working class in urban areas. Ezra responds by highlighting the challenges of urban policy reform, particularly in housing.

Notable Quote:

"[00:29:01] Ezra Klein: 'I think in terms of what is difficult here, it worries me that there isn't yet an example of a big American city that entered into what I'd call the equilibrium of tightly regulated growth constraint...'"

He underscores the complexities of implementing effective housing policies amidst bureaucratic hurdles and entrenched political interests.

7. Demographics and Future Elections

Key Discussion:
A listener questions the impact of changing demographics on the Electoral College and whether Democrats should be concerned. Ezra advises caution in forecasting, noting the unpredictable nature of political realignments over time.

Notable Quote:

"[00:34:34] Ezra Klein: 'They should be worried, but I'm very careful about future casting into politics... things are going to change between here and then, too.'"

He cautions against static assumptions about voting behaviors and demographic trends, emphasizing the dynamic nature of political affiliations.

8. Advice for the Youth

Key Discussion:
Ian Goldberstein asks Ezra what advice he would give to a 13-year-old today regarding politics. Ezra reflects on the challenges of adolescence and the unpredictability of life trajectories.

Notable Quote:

"[00:36:33] Ezra Klein: 'I think people should read as many books on paper as they possibly can... building the ability to focus and think for long periods of time, it is so valuable.'"

He encourages developing critical thinking and adaptability, acknowledging the constant evolution of personal and political landscapes.

Conclusion

The AMA episode provides a comprehensive exploration of the multifaceted challenges facing the Democratic Party and the broader American political system. Ezra Klein and Claire Gordon navigate complex topics, offering insights into voter behavior, party strategies, and the intricate interplay between societal issues and electoral outcomes. The discussion underscores the necessity for adaptive strategies and the importance of understanding evolving voter demographics and concerns.

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