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The Dog Whisperer Next Door: Robert Cabral’s Mission to Train and Save Shelter Dogs
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Podcast Host (possibly Spencer)
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Co-host or Guest (possibly Heidi)
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Podcast Host (possibly Spencer)
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Co-host or Guest (possibly Heidi)
This is r u l a.com fame. You deserve mental health care that works for you, not against your budget.
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Podcast Host (possibly Spencer)
Welcome back to the Fame Game podcast. We are here with a very special, very famous individual. Our technically still our neighbor. We just don't have houses to live in, but he still has dirt down the street from us. We welcome to the Fame Game Robert Cabral, who is a true legend. And life is kind of annoying in the sense that you only meet the person that you wish you'd known sooner. I would drive by his house and he always had these signs that would say bad canine. Obviously now I know it's his brand. I thought he was just trying to deter our incredible home invaders that like to, you know, come into town. Ends up he's one of the most world renowned. You can change your bio.
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Robert Cabral
Okay. Yeah, yeah, perfect.
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Podcast Host (possibly Spencer)
Dog experts, trainers also from now my again knowledge, one of the top people rescuing thousands of dogs, helping dog shelters and he just lived down our block. And here I am, we get this puppy and I'm trying to like learn how to, you know, be a dog person. And I'm at the park and he's like, do you know who Robert Cabral is? He lives one of the most famous trainers. Why don't you talk to him? I'm like, oh, who's that? He's like, bad canine. I'm like, oh my gosh. So then I like wave him down and he's like, yeah, come to the park with me. And we just started, like, me coming and watching him do his training. I want to say, like, weeks before the houses broke.
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Robert Cabral
Yeah. Maybe a month.
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Podcast Host (possibly Spencer)
Yeah. So at least we're all reconnecting now. But it's. It is what it is. So what did I mess up on your bio?
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Robert Cabral
Is it nothing? It sounds great. I'm just going to redo my whole bio now.
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Podcast Host (possibly Spencer)
There it is. For anyone. Update the Wikipedia. It's a small world. Also, how crazy it is. A lot of people have been concerned about my toxic rashes. So we had our blood work done. And I was talking to the blood work guy, and he's like, oh, I just rescued this dog. I said, oh, you got to talk to my former neighbor. And he's like, who's that? I said, it's Robert. He goes, robert and I, we used to do martial arts. And when we were in college together, ends up, they haven't talked in 20 years. And I'm going to connect them, so at least somebody's going to get some training off of that.
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Robert Cabral
Small world, man.
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Podcast Host (possibly Spencer)
Small world. How long have you lived in the Palisades before I actually knew you? Lived in the past.
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Robert Cabral
I think it's when Janet and I got back together. We got married later, but 27, 20, 18 or so. I was in Malibu before that, since 2000. So we were debating where to go, and Janet had a house right down the street, which was a house, and we moved in together and then got married shortly thereafter.
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Podcast Host (possibly Spencer)
Do you know Janet was one of his karate students? No, technically not karate.
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Robert Cabral
No, it's karate. Yeah, it's karate. I started the martial arts program at the sports club la, which is, you know, everywhere in New York and all those other locations. And she started training with me. And the first day I saw her, I literally, I hear, you know, somebody sent me a message, oh, I need a karate uniform. This tall, whatever. And I was like, okay, I got the karate uniform. My name is Janet, Janet Brown. I was like, okay, I got it. And all of a sudden, I'm in the office with my friend. We were talking about the program, and I hear this knock on the door. And I opened the door, and, like, I was like, wow, that's like the most beautiful woman I've ever seen in my life. And it was Janet. And so I was like, okay, just keep it professional, because you're not supposed to date your students and stuff. So. Yeah. But we ended up. She trained. She was great student. And then we became, you know, friends and Then we fell in love, and we got. We just dated for a while, and then sadly, we broke up after, like, seven years, which was the longest relationship I ever had up to that point in my life. And then we were separated for, like, I think, like, was it 20 years? So, like, 20 years. And then I guess she was single and I was single, and I was, like, posting some stuff about my African photography stuff on Instagram. She said, oh, I like that picture. And I was like, maybe there's hope because there's always the one woman that I wanted back. Like, you know, usually you break up with somebody, like, I'm glad we're done. And she was always the one that I wanted back. And coincidentally, we just. We got together, literally, to see my show, which was at the G2 Gallery in Marina Del Rey for my African safari pictures. And I was like, you know what? I'm gonna marry you. You're never getting away again. That's exactly what happened.
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Co-host or Guest (possibly Heidi)
Oh, I love that story. It's like the Notebook or something. A deep love story.
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Podcast Host (possibly Spencer)
I am sorry. I didn' in your bio artist. Excuse me. So how long have you been doing the photography?
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Robert Cabral
I did photography since I was a high school yearbook photographer. But it's like, all my hobbies have become jobs, and it's ruined every one of them. You know, like, if you really love something, don't make it your job. And. Which is the exact thing I didn't want to do with dog training. And I really actually shifted it and tried to focus more on advocacy work, working with shelters and educating people, because I find every good hobby, when it turns into a business, becomes tedious. You don't enjoy it as much, and it takes away from it. My martial arts became that way because here you enjoy doing something. It's your life. It's your mission. And suddenly you're saying, I got to get two more students to pay the rent, and it doesn't work. My advice is always, just keep your hobbies, your hobbies, and don't make them your jobs.
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Co-host or Guest (possibly Heidi)
How did you get into karate?
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Robert Cabral
Well, I came from Germany. We moved here from Germany. We went to New Jersey, and I couldn't speak the language, so I got beat up every day going to and from school. And back in those days, it was not a big deal. You just got beat up. And, you know, you didn't have, like, bullying laws. And, like, your parents are just like, okay, we got beat up. Guess we'll put you in karate class. And so it was my first, you know, endeavor into martial arts was that. And then the more I learned in martial arts, and that was starting when I was like. Like 9, 10, 11, and then about 13 to 15 to 16. I got really serious about it, and I would train every single day. And then the more you get into it, the more, you know, you can fight, the less likely you are to ever fight. And, I mean, I've had the smallest handful of fights since I started martial arts, but it was because I was bullied. And I. You know, I hated it. I hated getting beat up. I got beat up every single day going to and from school.
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Co-host or Guest (possibly Heidi)
Oh, man.
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Podcast Host (possibly Spencer)
Until I didn't.
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Robert Cabral
Yeah, until I didn't. Right? So that. That kind of led me when people always ask about the dog training, because, you know, you were talking about the rescuing dogs. Every rescue dog I see, I see a piece of me in them, right? So I see the poor one that got abused. I see the. The dominant one that's misunderstood. I see the neglected one that people don't want to spend their time with. So, you know, when you have those adversities, either you become a victim or you become dominant in it. And my thing was like, you know what? I'm going to make this my. My. My strength. And it would help me to better understand dogs and see that, you know, I know what it's like to get beat up. And when I taught karate, I had kids coming in. I was like, yeah, I know what it's like to be you. I don't look like it now, but, yeah, I was the kid who ran home crying because my stomach hurts so bad from being punched in the stomach. So that was it, you know? You understand?
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Co-host or Guest (possibly Heidi)
Oh, I'm gonna cry. So how did you get into dog training? Have you always loved dogs? Have you always had that?
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Robert Cabral
Well, yeah, I always loved animals, but the thing with me was, it was a job I didn't want to do. I did not want to be a dog trainer. And when I first went, it kind of started back. I was in. I was living in Nashville, and I was. I had this dog that I was in love with, and the dog was. It was a Shar Pei. And I thought to myself, you know, I'm so lucky to have this dog. I always, like, believe in giving back. So I went to the animal shelter, and I'd go to Costco, bring a bag of dog food, drop it at the animal shelter. I did that for weeks. And then finally one day, I said, you know what? I should just go in the back and see what it looks like. So I went in the back and I saw the dogs and kennels, and I was, like, disgusted. I was like. I literally had tears in my eyes. And I walked out and I said, something's got to be done about this. So backdating it now a little bit. When I had my karate school, I had a friend of mine. His name was Mike. He was a magician, but. But he was actually like an amateur dog trainer. So he had two Dobermans, and I would help him train him. He said, just do this, do this, like little tiny things. And when I went to the shelter, I kind of had this connection because of my dog and feeling sorry for dogs. I don't want dogs to be killed. And I started learning about. I came from it, from this more of an advocacy side. Like, I didn't want to see dogs being killed. And so I'm there, I'm seeing the dogs. I was like, something's got to be done. I end up moving back to la and I kind of took the little dog training that I didn't think I knew, and we started applying it with these dogs in the shelters. I was like, okay, let's get these dogs out. Let's work with them a little bit. Okay, we can lure them to a sit. I mean, everybody knows how to do a sit. Lure them to a down. And I think what really helped me a lot in martial arts or in dog training was the martial arts is understanding, timing, reading, body language, just having that energy, presence, which I think so much with dogs. They focus on our body movement and our energy, not our voices. Right? Dogs never speak to each other. They don't go, woof, woof, woof. Hey, woof, woof. They just. It's the way they move their body one way. It's like, okay, that's a fight. Okay, that's okay, we're friends. So just a slight shift in that. And it's the same in martial arts. Like, if you watch one slight shift of a shoulder, okay, a punch is coming, and, you know, a slight shift in the dog's mouth or body language, okay, he's going to bite me. And for some reason, very naturally, I started picking that up and I just built on it. And then my friend Dr. Lisa, I was bringing her dogs to do health certificates on because we were shipping them, you know, transporting them to rescue them over other states. And she said, who trained these dogs? Because I was rescuing a lot of Shar Pei, real dominant breed dogs. And I said, nobody. She goes, well, somebody work with this dog, because this dog is really easy, really nice to Work with. I said, oh, I did a little thing with them. And she said, you should be a dog trainer. And I said, I don't want to be a dog trainer. This is 2008, you know, because I've been training my dog, but I don't want to train somebody else's dog. And she says, no, you're going to be a dog trainer. And she started sending me all these clients, and I didn't want to do it. And she said, no, you can't say no. These people need you. And I was trained countless dogs. You know, it was an instant business. It was like literally turnkey and boom, I was in business. I was making a really good living, and I was helping people with their dogs. That was the intriguing part. It wasn't the money part. It was that this was like this dynamic ability to help people with something that seemed so foreign to them and so natural to me. So just fell into it and I kept doing it. And it's the one and only business, really, or hobby that turned into business that I didn't resent afterwards because it was never really about the money to me. I made a really nice living doing it, but I really actually enjoy seeing a dog. I enjoy putting my hands on a dog. I enjoy being in the presence. Like I say, the West L A Shelter is one of my favorite places to go, because where can you. I'm going to cry. Where could you experience so much love? You know, from creatures that owe you nothing and they don't know you, but they see you there and they feel you there and they think, you know what? This guy's here to help me. And, you know, I mean, I can't think of a better life than to help dogs, which is amazing.
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Co-host or Guest (possibly Heidi)
Oh, no, that's all God's time.
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Podcast Host (possibly Spencer)
Honey. I know for a long time you've kind of hinted at maybe I should talk to a therapist. And I say I don't have the time to talk to a therapist. But thankfully, Rula has online therapy that's easier to get. It's more accessible and affordable because it's very difficult. We know all about insurance. Insurance isn't the best thing to deal with. So it's difficult to find providers for anything that accept insurance. But guess what, Rula, Yeah, it's in.
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Co-host or Guest (possibly Heidi)
Network covered care and takes most majority of insurance plans. I mean, also with Rula, you can find the right therapist for you. So Rula partners with a network for over 15,000 therapies, psychiatrists nationwide, enabling you to find your personalized solution and the right therapist for you based on your needs and what you're wanting. And they do the end to end care, which is so great. And they're really going to be with you through the entire process, beginning to end to make sure that they're helping you find the therapist and the psychiatrist that you need. And every step of the way on your mental health journey, making sure to.
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Podcast Host (possibly Spencer)
Help schedule your appointments or monitoring your progress. RULA is there to help.
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Co-host or Guest (possibly Heidi)
I think a lot of people are really overwhelmed with where do they start with mental health, how do they find somebody, how do they afford somebody? It's a really hard process. But thankfully there is rula.com and Rula really makes it easy for people to be able to narrow it down to find the right psychiatrist that can help them, help them through their journey, support them. And it would have been really helpful for us to have that after the fires and for other victims from the fires and anyone who is just needing help with mental health because it is something that a lot of people suffer from. So thankfully Rula can help people find the help that they're needing and wanting and be able to afford it. Thousands of people are already using RULA to get affordable, high quality therapy that's actually covered by Insurance. Visit rula.com fame to get started. After you sign up, you'll be asked how you heard about them. Please support our show and let them know that we sent you. This is r u l a.com fame. You deserve mental health care that works for you, not against your budget.
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Podcast Host (possibly Spencer)
Well, speaking of shelters, West LA shelters, because I've been following recently, you've been really not happy with the system. Like you keep on honing in. The people at these shelters are good people.
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Robert Cabral
Yeah.
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Podcast Host (possibly Spencer)
Maybe not the people you're interacting, maybe not bureaucracy, but the people in these shelters are great people. What is broken with the system and how can they, in your vision, fix it where these dogs aren't just being killed? I know you said it starts before they get to the shelter, right? Which is the bigger, the bigger mission. So maybe we go backwards. How do we stop dogs from ending up in shelter? You know, from your.
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Robert Cabral
Well, I mean it's. Everything is speculative, right? I mean I'm looking at it for 20 years of experience. But I can tell you that first of all, people, there's a couple components. People are very irresponsible, right? They're very entitled and self righteous. In other words, nothing is their fault. There's something wrong with the dog. It's not like, oh, I'm Weak with the dog. I'm not going to train my dog. And I'm getting more and more dominant dogs. People are getting conic horses, pit bulls, Belgian Malinois, German shepherds, very dominant dogs. And they don't understand why this dog doesn't listen to them. Like they're Labrador or Labradoodle or. Right. So we have a lot of egos in the picture. Everybody wants a powerful dog, but nobody wants to do the work to do it, to get it right. Everybody wants to be in good shape, but nobody wants to go to the gym to work out. They want to blame everything else. So that's a big, big component. The second thing is people are breeding dogs ad nauseam. There's just every single place because it's a quick buck. Somebody lives in a poor neighborhood, they get two dogs, they put them together, they get dogs, they can sell them for 300 bucks a piece. So that's three grand like that. Right. And nobody's questioning it. So animal control, which is in theory what a shelter is supposed to be, a municipal animal shelter is animal control, which means their job is to go out and enforce the animal code. So in a lot of cities and municipalities, animal control is run by the police department. It's either run by the police department or the health department. And Ventura, for example, is run by the health department. LA has its separate, it's a separate entity in LA City and LA county, but because it's not doing its job as a control agency, they're now functioning as a humane society. So people can't keep their dog. Oh, just put it in the shelter. And that's the society we live in. Right. Whether it's through social media. And this is why I've taken a presence in social media to make this knowledge available that just because you see a dog doing funny tricks and being well behaved on social media in a 60 second reel, there is countless hours and takes to get to that part, which is why I like to show it not working with dogs. You know, the stuff I show in my lessons shows it not working. But when you have animal control functioning as a humane society, people are dumping dogs, dumping dogs, dumping dogs. We're never enforcing, in other words, we're trying to pull dogs out of the bottom of the funnel. But there's just so many more going into the top. And unless we stop that, we're going to keep killing dogs forever.
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Podcast Host (possibly Spencer)
The social media factor, because I was thinking when you started in 2008, back then, the only dog trainer that we knew of was Cesar Milan. And now that I'm so obsessed with dog training and dog this, my feed is just the entire planet is a dog trainer now, and everyone's an expert and everyone so. And they don't show any of those hours they put in. They just make it look like, you know, the dog's doing this. And I end up falling for all of it too, because I'm like, oh, they must be legit. Look at that dog. So it's. It's an interesting thing that for beyond just the dog training and, like, getting wrong information, it's also putting out a wrong version of how hard these animals are.
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Robert Cabral
Yeah, well, I mean, you got to look at the most common dog now on social media from what I'm seeing, besides many dachshunds is Belgian Malinois. And a Belgian Malinois is a very, very serious dog. And people always say, oh, you say that because you're a trainer and you think you're tough. I don't think I'm tough. I don't think I'm tough at all. And I've had very, very nice dogs. Both my dog Goofy, who you met, and Shmoo have been very, very well bred. Good temperament of dogs. Very opposite dogs, but I can tell you both of them had an edge that pushed to the certain position. They would bite and they would bite. Seriously, a dog like Janet's dog Dwayne, you know, who we absolutely love. That's the most perfect dog. Well bred Labrador. She's done hundreds and hundreds of hours of work with him, but he's completely bulletproof. Like, anybody could meet him. Anybody can play with him. He can do whatever you want with him. Take him to the vet. Oh, we got to examine them. No problems. My dog? Yeah, not so much, you know.
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Podcast Host (possibly Spencer)
So our friends, fellow fire victims, I hope to have them on the podcast, the Gellers. They. Somebody they knew just had a issue and they ended up just now. This happened last week. It's out of a movie scene. They had three Malinois puppies and the mom and they're at their house and she in the. She's trying to, like, find homes for them. Like, nobody even gets what these are. They're literally like little nuclear weapons, right? And one there, it's in a six foot, you know, fence up thing, and the sun's videoing. It's just boom, up out the gate, like. And so even in this high thing, you think you're crazy. So that's the thing people see. They look like the cutest things you ever seen.
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Robert Cabral
Sure.
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Podcast Host (possibly Spencer)
But if you don't watch just this extra footage of what. And that was one of the best things that you came into our lives because we were going to keep our puppy that we still have with living with her trainer. And you were like, do not take this dog until it's fully trained. This is not. And it was hard cuz it's so cute.
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Co-host or Guest (possibly Heidi)
And we were like, I was terrifying. That dog was terrifying. His little velociraptor is eating everything. I'm like, Spencer, go get the door. I'm dealing with two kids. Two, two other little dogs. At the time I was definitely terrified because I was like, no, because it is. This is not.
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Robert Cabral
Well, but remember, so a great example with a dog like a Malinois Dutch shepherd, a working line German shepherd. This dog is genetically bred to work through things, right? So I'll give you an example. Janet and I were just agility with our dogs and this is a very easy thing for people to understand. And there's a tunnel there. And I'm telling the dog, go to the weave poles, Shmoo my dog. And he goes to the tunnel. And so the trainer says, well, I'm going to put a little piece of like a chair in front of it, right? Well he, I say weave poles. And he goes, boom, busts through, goes through the tunnel. She puts two chairs in front of it. Boom, bust through both chairs. And then she stands there. So he goes around it. Because this is his, his thing is if I think I'm supposed to go to the tunnel, I. I'm going to break through whatever is there right now. In training, a bad trainer is going to punish the dog, physically hurt the dog and say don't do that. Which then it sends a message like the person who is supposed to direct me is directing me to do something because obviously he thinks he's supposed to be doing it and now it hurts to do it. Now you have a dog that has conflict. And conflict in training is the death of all relationships, right? Whether it's our human relationships, our. Or anything. So we have to figure out a way to get him to do what we want him to do without it being conflicting to him, right? So the easy solution is I have a relationship with him, I get him to come focus back on me. Comes back, he does what we want him to do. We throw an abundant reward. We don't reward him for bad things, but we need to be physically and tactile with the dog so that we can correct those things. And it's not something that's easily done with a younger dog. Like a, let's say a dog from six months to 18 months. It's very hard because first thing they do, they turn and they bite. When you grab them by the collar, hey, don't do that. Which is a physical movement which any other dog would do. We can grab him. Hey, don't do that. Boom, he bites. Now we smack him for biting us. Well, that's a bad signal. Right. We need to kind of clear up communication. And you have a good trainer working with your puppy. So why would you try to take that over, you know, and then have this conflict? You guys have kids in the house. Kids run, kids scream. That to them is like, oh, I get to go chase the kids. Now it's conflict. The kids are afraid of the dog. You know, the dog you have now is bulletproof. It's a great dog.
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Podcast Host (possibly Spencer)
Even then, it's been a great lesson for our kids because it's this balance of like, he looks kind of like a little dinosaur. And we're like, I keep. My son loves Jurassic Park. I'm like, this is a velociraptor.
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Robert Cabral
Yep.
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Podcast Host (possibly Spencer)
Are you going to. How you approach a velociraptor? How do you. Would you grab a velociraptor's tail? Like so it's almost a good thing. It's a. It's been a lot stressful because, you know, you can't have. We've learned you can't let that dog. You have your two year old feed the dog, right?
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Robert Cabral
Yeah.
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Podcast Host (possibly Spencer)
So now he goes in his crate and he sticks him through like a feet of lust.
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Robert Cabral
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Podcast Host (possibly Spencer)
Because he does. He eats your hand. He doesn't know.
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Robert Cabral
Sure, you know, so.
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Podcast Host (possibly Spencer)
But.
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Robert Cabral
And not necessarily in an aggressive way. Right?
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Co-host or Guest (possibly Heidi)
Not even. Yeah.
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Podcast Host (possibly Spencer)
He doesn't even know. He's.
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Co-host or Guest (possibly Heidi)
It's just normal.
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Podcast Host (possibly Spencer)
No, it's just.
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Robert Cabral
And that's what people don't understand with a dog. Like a dog is doing something naturally. Naturally. Dogs communicate with their mouths when they play. They grab each other by the side of the neck and they throw each other on the ground. They stand on top of each other. So we see that differently now. There's bad trainers out there who go, oh, I train a dog like a dog. I communicate with him. I bite him on the neck and I'm like, well, unless you can lick your own butt. Like, he sees that as very confusing. Right. Because we need to communicate with him. Like, there's a great book written called the Philosopher and the Wolf. You should read it. You'll love it. And it was this guy who had this wolf dog and he really talked about how we are the ape, the gorilla. And those two are seen very differently. Like if you watch gorillas in Africa, the way they interact with each other and the way they would interact with a quadruped, a four legged animal, it's very different. And our communication with them has to be something that's clear to them. They understand the difference between us and them. So if we're on the floor on all fours and growling at them and like pretending to bite them and doing stupid nonsense like that, we're really putting ourselves at risk and the dog at risk. Because every time we do something stupid with a dog, the dog pays the ultimate price. Right? How many people drop the dog off at the shelter, say, I don't want him anymore. They turn around, they get in their car, they go to In N Out Burger. They go home, they watch tv, they turn off the tv the next day, they forgot about the dog. That dog is suffering, languishing in that concrete floor, steel bars, wondering, when is he coming back? I know he's coming back. I love him. I would never leave him. When did he come back? And pining for that person. And eventually the dog is dead in a barrel and these people are off to their. Maybe another dog or maybe just on a vacation in Spain. They don't care.
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Co-host or Guest (possibly Heidi)
Yeah, it's interesting. I had to give up a dog or I didn't have to, but I chose to give up a dog when I was 20 and I found it the best home ever. It was my friend's parents and this dog ended up poolside, hand fed every day. And it seems like that's a good alternative for some people. Like maybe there is a different route than shelters. But I really commend you on doing that because it's, it's a hard, hard, heartfelt.
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Robert Cabral
Yeah.
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Co-host or Guest (possibly Heidi)
Position that you're putting yourself in. And thank you so much for your service for those dogs and for people. Because we are huge, huge dog lovers and separately. And then as we came together, you know, so a dog was actually such a bonding part of our relationship. He had this golden retriever and he would sleep with us and it immediately kind of made us this little family with the dog's love and kind of interacting with him. And that dog was like, you know, a part of our lives and everything. So where did bad canine come from? I have to know. Staring at this funny story.
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Robert Cabral
There was a guy named Tom, he lived in Malibu and he wanted to do a Reality show based on what I was doing in the shelters and all this stuff. And he said, he goes, you know, he went with the shelter and he saw how I handle the dogs. I said, there's only one bad dog, and that's me. Because everybody says, oh, that's a bad dog. That's a bad dog. I said, there are no bad dogs. I'm the bad dog. And there's other trainers have knocked that off. But so I got the license, played bad canine. And he said, it's going to be the show bad dog. And, you know, we're going to go to the shelter, we're going to follow you around and we're going to do all the savings, which was a great idea, but it didn't work out. You know, it's. I didn't. I wasn't a trainer to be. To do a reality show. And I'm glad it never happened because it gives me my anonymity. But, yeah, it was supposed to be a reality show based on saving dogs in shelters.
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Co-host or Guest (possibly Heidi)
It is so funny. I remember every day driving down to school with the kids or whatever and passing your license plate, bad canine. And I always said to Spencer once, I'm like, do you think he likes dogs or do you think he, like, does something with dogs? Or like the whole thing was always so funny. And then finally we found out, but it was such a fun.
- [28:22]
Robert Cabral
It was supposed to be bad, like Michael Jackson bad for people who. That doesn't predate a lot of people.
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Podcast Host (possibly Spencer)
We never. I. It's weird if, like, the dogs were like, invisible until I knew you were like the dog. Like, which. So years we drove by and never saw the dog. And then right when I knew you.
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Co-host or Guest (possibly Heidi)
Were the dog seven years, then the.
- [28:39]
Podcast Host (possibly Spencer)
Dog was like, wow, once, like, it was like some.
- [28:42]
Robert Cabral
Yeah. What the.
- [28:43]
Podcast Host (possibly Spencer)
Like you just get a dog for the first time. Yeah, but how so? So to make it dumb it down for our viewers and our listeners. First off, people need to stop getting dogs they can't handle and doing that. We need to stop just crazy breeding. You had talked to me about this idea of, you know, if all these dogs that people bought were chipped, people are like, oh, then the government will have us like our dogs Chip. And. But that could be some accountability if people are just dropping dogs on freeways and then that's a felony now. And so, you know, there is logic to that. And what's the idea of, what do they get? Like, if you think you're worried about the dog tracking, you're holding an iPhone. If the government wants to get you, they're going to get you.
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Robert Cabral
Well, the government's going to get you no matter what.
- [29:29]
Podcast Host (possibly Spencer)
They want you to get through your dog.
- [29:31]
Robert Cabral
Yeah. I mean, my issue with it was you've got to get animal control to start enforcing animal codes. That means, okay, you're allowed to have three dogs. That's the rule. You're not allowed to breed dogs if you have a breeder's license, whatever. Here's the thing. Most people should just make educated decisions, right? And that's what's been my mission through social media. Because it's the one time now where we have a voice, right? We, the common person, can now speak up against a really crappy government or a crappy system or crappy people, whatever. It gives us that power for once in our hands, and that's why I continue to do it. So if people would be educated to say, okay, what can I handle? Like, what kind of dog can I handle? The average person is really well suited with a golden retriever, right? Because it's an easy dog. It's a nice dog. A labradoodle. It's a nice dog. That's the dog that's going to stay with them for life. The Dutch shepherd, the Malinois, the German shepherd, the pit bull, the Cane Corso, the Presa Canario, those dogs. Oh, I'm tough. I've got this dog. You're not tough. You're still a wimp. Right. You know, and that's what people don't get. But they equate that with making them tough. And that's the dog that's going to either kill another dog, hurt, hurt another person, bite another person, or become so much to handle that you're going to give the dog up in the shelter. Just go to a shelter now. You'll see it's pit bulls and shepherds, right? That's what that. So you can see that people can't handle that. The other side of it, you have people who are these purely positive trainers. Now, my wife is a positive trainer, but she's a very, very good trainer. Like, if I watch somebody, I mean, I've seen a lot of dog trainers work. I've never lived with a dog trainer, but watching her work, she has an immense amount of patience that wouldn't work with a dog like Shmoo alone, but every single dog she's had, from a mini dachshund to the Labradors, they've been perfectly trained, and she's put master's titles on them. When you have Purely positive people saying, if you ever give a dog a correction, you're an abuser. If you use an E collar, you're an abuser. If you use a slip lead, you're an abuser. If you use a correction dog, you're an abuser. Now people start to believe what they see on social media. So they go, oh, you don't ever have to give a dog a correction. You can put him on a harness and a long line. And imagine your dog, if he wasn't trained on a long line and a harness and trying to reel him back in, never would happen. But people believe that. So right now, I did a program at the LA City shelter for, I think it was six years or more. And in that program, because of all these animal rights people, you're not allowed to use a prong collar, an E collar, or any other correction tool. So they said, can you do it? Yeah, I can do it. I'm £200, I'm six foot tall, I'm very, very strong, and I'm very confident and I can read it. I could put a long line on any dog and use it. But give Heidi that dog, give my wife that dog, give the average person that dog, and that dog is going to be out of control, right? So people are lied to saying, oh, you can do it with any dog, but you can't. So then they go, oh, well, it was like the pit bull lie. Everybody says, oh, pit bulls are great dogs. They're not right. They can be great dogs and they cannot be great dogs. There's no one thing that you can say is always good. You can't say all Christians are good or all Jews are good or all Muslims are good or all this is good. There's always one or two bad apples in every category. But when you lie to people and say you can do this with purely positive training and every pit bull's a great dog, and then it doesn't work out for you, then you go, well, I got the wrong dog. Let me put him in a shelter and try with another one. Then they try with a second one, then that doesn't work out. Then they try with a third one. Now you've got three dogs in the shelter, right? Because that person believed the lie 1. You got to pick the dog that's right for you. Don't go on Facebook, Marketplace, or Craigslist to buy a dog. Ask somebody. Hey, Spencer, where'd you get your dog? Oh, I got them from Gold Coast. Okay, well, maybe I should go there and investigate. Hey, Robert, Where'd you get your dog? Oh, this. And this breeder. I should go there and investigate with all this power we have on social media that people are looking at an ad on Craigslist or even an ad on Google and buying a dog because it's a really nice site and these dogs are AKC papered. AKC paper means nothing. Right. A good breeder goes so far beyond the AKC papers. And you're going to spend money on that dog. You might spend $1,000, you might spend $3,500 on that dog, but this is an investment for life.
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Podcast Host (possibly Spencer)
Or you're going to get a cheap dog and then killing it, you know, so like, oh, you got a deal. But then you can't handle that dog. Now you're murdering a dog and going in and out.
- [34:06]
Robert Cabral
Yeah. And then the flip side of it is there's great dogs that are rescue dogs, right? Like Janet rescued Bosman and I rescued a dog named Boots, and. And honestly, Boz, her mini dachshund was one of the nicest dogs in the world. Right. And he was a rescue. But one, she got the dog that she could handle. Right. And she did an immense amount of work in training the dog, which is what it takes to get a dog to work. But just to get a dog and think it's going to happen and not put any commitment to it, any time into it, any work into it, it's problematic.
- [34:40]
Podcast Host (possibly Spencer)
Well, just the prong collar alone, there's been a time where we had the prong collar on and if I'd had a regular leash, like something happened or whatever, and he like, you know, he's 80 pounds, all muscle.
- [34:53]
Robert Cabral
Yeah, he could.
- [34:53]
Podcast Host (possibly Spencer)
And he just yanked back. And if it was a normal collar, he'd have been in the street and we got hit by a car.
- [34:59]
Robert Cabral
100.
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Podcast Host (possibly Spencer)
Not even a maybe, but he stopped himself when he realized. And then back to your thing with a regular leash. This morning with the prong collar, the dog almost ripped Heidi's whole shoulder out when he just went to the left on something. Just I'm looking left, but it's like.
- [35:13]
Robert Cabral
It's like a tank because the dog's impervious to pain. Right. That dog is not. A little pop on a prong collar or a bump on electric collar is going to do nothing for that dog.
- [35:21]
Podcast Host (possibly Spencer)
Nothing. And then so, like, initially when I got the dog and I wanted to post it and people were in my comment section about the E collar and I messaged the place I got it from, and he's like, and he had a great quote. He's like, if you're going to respond to idiots all day long.
- [35:35]
Robert Cabral
Yeah.
- [35:36]
Podcast Host (possibly Spencer)
In your comment section, you got other things to wear. But, like, just in general. And it made me rethink. Nobody could handle my dog without the. He. He wants to be on the E collar.
- [35:46]
Robert Cabral
Yeah.
- [35:46]
Podcast Host (possibly Spencer)
He. He's training you're. This is how he's conditioned. And it doesn't hurt. He's.
- [35:52]
Robert Cabral
Does it hurt you when I paid you?
- [35:53]
Podcast Host (possibly Spencer)
No, it's literally. Does not.
- [35:55]
Robert Cabral
Right.
- [35:55]
Podcast Host (possibly Spencer)
It's with him enough where I would know. You know, it hurts him not getting to go out the door with us emotionally. You can see, like, I'm not coming with you. But.
- [36:05]
Co-host or Guest (possibly Heidi)
So I had that for our little dogs. We had, like, the one for them, and they used to fight each other, you know, because they were little. And I was like, I got to get this under control.
- [36:14]
Robert Cabral
Right.
- [36:15]
Co-host or Guest (possibly Heidi)
We need to get a trainer here. We had this one, and it saved all of them from trying to bite each other from fighting. What if they got into a. Yeah. So anyways, I think that whatever is best for. For the dog is important. And the prong collars, I even use them on my little dogs when they were little, the smaller ones for them, because they would lunge at other dogs and be really aggressive. But I think there is a misconception, and I use the prong collar or the shock collar on myself.
- [36:40]
Robert Cabral
Sure.
- [36:41]
Co-host or Guest (possibly Heidi)
You know, So I was like, let me see what I'm doing.
- [36:42]
Podcast Host (possibly Spencer)
Watching Heidi test it.
- [36:43]
Co-host or Guest (possibly Heidi)
Yeah.
- [36:44]
Podcast Host (possibly Spencer)
Yeah.
- [36:44]
Robert Cabral
Janet put it on me the first time I showed her. I said, put it on me. And I said, but don't turn it over three. And I said, okay. And this was in the backyard. Remember that? And the real estate agents next to her showing a house. And. And I'm out there in shorts with nothing, with an econ. I said, she's talking. And I said, don't turn above the edge. Want you to see how it works. She goes, okay. And she's doing. I go, okay, yeah, I'll do this. Okay, I'll do this. I'll do this. All of a sudden, I'm like, wow. And she goes, oh. She goes, I just want to see what five look like.
- [37:06]
Podcast Host (possibly Spencer)
You know, there's different ones, though, because.
- [37:09]
Robert Cabral
Like, five on one, it doesn't matter.
- [37:11]
Podcast Host (possibly Spencer)
They're like, our dog. Five wouldn't even. Wouldn't even look at you.
- [37:15]
Robert Cabral
No, no, no. Most. But, you know, the thing is, too depending. Like, that's why it goes from 1 to 100. Right. So some dogs respond on a 3 or a 5 or a 10. Some dogs don't respond to a 70 or an 80. It depends on the dog. And people respond differently. Like, Janet's much tougher than me on an E collar. Like, she can handle it. She'll put it on her arm to test it. I can't do it. Like, I have a real aversion to it, so. But the bottom line is with any of those tools is why are we making. And laws like in Germany, you know, France, England, they're illegalizing these collars. It's a. You go to jail and a €5,000 fine for having this on your dog.
- [37:52]
Podcast Host (possibly Spencer)
Well, in England now, allegedly, you repost something on Facebook, you go to prison for two years.
- [37:58]
Co-host or Guest (possibly Heidi)
I guess it's just so unfortunate because, like, our dog came from Europe, and that's where he was trained, and that's where it seems like such a Olympic sport. And there's such a misconception about bite work. Even with myself, I didn't have any idea what it was. It's actually playing for the dog. And these dogs are so smart. It's fun for them. They don't think I'm this mean dog and I'm attacking. It's like. It's literally like throwing a stick for them. They are fetching it. It is fun for them. It's exciting. They're smart. They get it. They love these mazes and puzzles and it. And it helps them. And it's what they're bred for. It's what they're meant for. So you take away those tools that they need to exist, to be happy, to thrive, to be. These animals that. That we need and that they're created to be are these tools. And it is what it is.
- [38:45]
Robert Cabral
But don't think they don't use them. Right. Don't think Europe is not using E. Collapsing the fine. Yeah. It's just you're risking a fine, so now you have to do it in secret. Right. And that's the whole problem with it is. And if they illegalize E collars here. Yeah. I can train a dog without an E collar, but I would still use one. Right. I just wouldn't show people I'm using it. Which now you have a problem, because now what they'll do in these territories where it's illegal, so they have to take the dog behind the barn, boom. Hit them hard on it, and then bring them out. And now. And they have to risk. Okay, so you're going to. Are you videotaping this? Are you? And it's stupid. Right. So it's going to just foster more abuse on animals.
- [39:18]
Co-host or Guest (possibly Heidi)
Right, Right.
- [39:18]
Robert Cabral
Or neglect. And the biggest neglect. Go pull the records from LA Animal Services. I've pulled them for five years. There's like, I think 50 or 70,000 violations on there. There was not one with an E collar, not one with a prong collar. Every single one, I would say 90%1 was neglect. Dogs living in bad conditions, underfed, you know, mange, all these things. That's true abuse. Neglect is the greatest form of abuse we can give to any living creature.
- [39:45]
Podcast Host (possibly Spencer)
My new favorite content, not my favorite, but I'm loving these people that are going around Los Angeles and either there's one guys that I love that just take the dogs from the people that are smoking fentanyl or whatever, and they're just these poor dogs and they just come and grab the dogs and they take them and they go give them, you know, rescue them. And then the other ones for the more or less severe, they come and they go, hey, can I feed your dog? And they pop the trunk and they give.
- [40:11]
Robert Cabral
Nice.
- [40:11]
Podcast Host (possibly Spencer)
But you just watch what's going on. Like, so we're worried about E cars. When you go drive around all of LA and you have actual homeless drug addicts with these dogs.
- [40:21]
Robert Cabral
Yeah.
- [40:21]
Podcast Host (possibly Spencer)
And clearly they can't even take care of themselves.
- [40:24]
Robert Cabral
Yeah.
- [40:24]
Podcast Host (possibly Spencer)
And now we have these dogs living on the street with them.
- [40:27]
Co-host or Guest (possibly Heidi)
So this happened at Gunner's school. Right before we left. I had to call the cops because there was a homeless guy in front of the school. The school was being dismissed. There were hundreds of kids coming out and there was a homeless guy with one of these dogs.
- [40:42]
Podcast Host (possibly Spencer)
Like a Malinois.
- [40:43]
Co-host or Guest (possibly Heidi)
Yeah. Standing there. And I. And the cops came and said, what are you doing? He said, I'm training my dog. I'm like, he is homeless, dangerous, and there are hundreds of little kids here. It was so that was one of my last straws.
- [40:56]
Robert Cabral
Yeah.
- [40:57]
Co-host or Guest (possibly Heidi)
I was so fed up with LA and all this craziness. It's infuriating because we all want to be here and live.
- [41:04]
Robert Cabral
It's the most beautiful place that's gotten ruined by bad policies.
- [41:07]
Co-host or Guest (possibly Heidi)
Right.
- [41:07]
Podcast Host (possibly Spencer)
And you know, that is why people keep asking me, just move, just move. I'm like, you obviously don't live here. Besides the people destroying it, it's the best place. And I've been a lot of places.
- [41:17]
Robert Cabral
Yeah, me too.
- [41:17]
Podcast Host (possibly Spencer)
So I would rather do my best to fight these people with words. Let's be clear words on social media and truth, non hate words. Excuse me, SB771. Because, you know.
- [41:29]
Robert Cabral
Right. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
- [41:33]
Co-host or Guest (possibly Heidi)
Oh, no, that's all good.
- [41:39]
Podcast Host (possibly Spencer)
But before we end, I just want to go to January 7th because we didn't connect. And I just want to wrap it up on just where your mind was and what happened and just like, just.
- [41:52]
Robert Cabral
Oh, man. It's one of the worst experiences in my life because it culminated. Every bad experience I've ever had in my life was culminated through that experience. And I remember, you know, we were hearing things and whatever and all these. Janet was getting these dings. The fire's here, the fire's there, the fire's here. And I kept saying, I said, janet, we live in Los Angeles. We live in one of the nicest areas. If there's a problem, you're going to see fire trucks going up and down the street. I mean, that's obvious. We have a fire station, you know, about a mile away. And she said, well, you know what? I'm going to go to the hotel. I'm going to get a hotel for the night. And I said, well, I'll stay here. And she took Dwayne and left. And I was there. And I heard these dings, these alarms and everything. And then I was like, I smelled smoke. And I'm like, I just don't see a fire truck. Like, I mean, maybe it's just blowing up. And then I was going up and down stairs. I was starting to feel weak going up and down the stairs. I was like, ah, it's kind of bad. So I put some things in the car and then I went and looked outside. It was kind of looking, you know, gloomy. And I put a couple more things in the car. And then the smoke was getting worse. But I said, well, I still have not seen a fire truck. Like, this is insane to me.
- [43:04]
Co-host or Guest (possibly Heidi)
Like, what time is this?
- [43:05]
Robert Cabral
This is probably around like, what, 5:30, six or so. Yeah, 5:30 or six, you know. And I was just doing some stupid work on the computer. So I put like two bags of stuff. I didn't even take a second pair of shoes, you know, nothing. Because I was like, well, we're gonna head out. There'll be some smoke damage. We'll come back. So I get in the car and I drive down Chautauqua, and I went past that first street on the left where Freddie lives, right? And I looked and I see the flames coming. And I heard the flames coming down from your place down towards. And I was like, oh, my God, this is horrible. I said, I'm going to go back and get A couple more things in case we're evacuated longer, right? And I turned around and I heard the. I heard the trees going and the transformers going. And I was like, if I go in there, the smoke's going to kill my dog. And so I drove down the street, and I'll tell you, we lost a lot of precious things. Not money, right? It's not about money. People say, oh, you got insurance? It's not something you can replace. The urn from my mother was in the house. I didn't grab that. I went back there five different days, digging with my hands, trying to find the urn of my mother's ashes. Little boxes from, like, our dog's collars, all the dogs that had died. I always said, this box I want buried with me. It's all my dog's collars, gone. Every picture. Like, you said something in one of your interviews. Every picture that's not digitized by Google, gone. All my childhood pictures, every little memento from my mom, my dad's flag. He was in the Air Force, his bullet shells from the 21 gun salute, gone. And just. I mean, I told you I can't come up here. I come up here. It just makes me. It depresses me. And like you said, it makes you angry. I get the anger. You know, I get the anger. But it's like, I'm at this point where I'm like, you know, your government doesn't care about you. They. I mean, I really feel. It's why I love. I mean, we were friends way before I followed you on Social. I had no idea who you guys were. Janet told me, like, I was like, it's just a cool guy. And your content really is opening people's eyes to the lies that are out there that people shouldn't trust. A lot of. Maybe some politicians are good. You've had some good politicians that you've talked to. But for the most part, I don't believe it. Like, I don't believe these politicians. I don't think they care about us because they didn't care enough to have a fire department. They know how many people live in these areas, and they're all about helping homeless and helping this and helping that, which is great. I'm not saying they shouldn't do that. But people who are paying millions of dollars in taxes can't have a second fire station. Or they know there's been natural fires. This whole global warming thing, I mean, okay, there is climate change. There's been climate change for a billion years, right? But to Say that, to blame it, to be that ignorant and to say, oh, this is climate change. And if you really believed that, then you would have done something to prevent it. You'd say, wow, we're dealing with climate change. Let's clear the brush, because that's important. Let's put some extra fire. They know this, but they don't. They don't care. And they take your taxes, your millions of dollars in taxes, and we all pay a lot of taxes, and they just squander it, you know? So I'm so proud of you for doing that, for being a young guy who really cares about the future of our community and the future of the country. Because a lot of people aren't doing it, you know, they're just dropping and saying, well, you know, whatever. And it's not, well, whatever, because you got kids, you know, and your kids are going to grow up in this society. And when you speak up, and then people make you the evil for it, they're the evil because they're afraid of you. They're afraid of people speaking the truth, which is why they have that SB. What is it? SB7.
- [46:41]
Podcast Host (possibly Spencer)
771.
- [46:42]
Robert Cabral
771, yeah. So I don't like what you say. Click. Turn you off. Hate speech. Last time I checked, we had freedom of speech, which even if it's hate speech, as long as it's not inciting violence, I don't think there's anything wrong with it.
- [46:56]
Co-host or Guest (possibly Heidi)
Yeah, it's sad that the era of freedom of speech is really dwindling and has been and slowly being turned off and turned down and calling it cancel culture or whatever they don't like. And that's not in their agenda and mainstream. But, yeah, we're so sorry for your.
- [47:16]
Robert Cabral
Yeah, well, I'm sorry for you guys, too. You guys are young with kids. It must have been harder for you guys with the kids. We had our dogs, you know, and we're very devastated by it. And we share the grief of every single person. And God bless those people who lost their lives. Like, I never even heard of that till you brought it up. I said, janet, did anybody die? She goes, I don't know. And I saw you. I'm like, why was that? Never in one homeless guy dies, and it's like, on the front page of the news, but 12 senior citizens burned to death in one of the nicest cities. This is the last nice city in Southern California. Right. Destroyed. Because, you know, and if you don't call it neglect, then. Then I'm sorry you and I don't see things the same way.
- [47:58]
Podcast Host (possibly Spencer)
That's why I just stopped arguing with you. I just block them.
- [48:00]
Robert Cabral
Yeah.
- [48:00]
Podcast Host (possibly Spencer)
They start talking about 100 mph wind, I go, okay, great. Even though there weren't.
- [48:04]
Robert Cabral
Right.
- [48:04]
Podcast Host (possibly Spencer)
They had six hours of no winds, but they had no water. And here's what people. The fact that we had this reservoir was empty. That. That's again, my fault as a citizen for sure. Assume that la, like I'm paying all this money and they have this empty, that one and the other one empty. Just that alone. So you can argue about the winds. But again, there was no winds more than 30 miles per hour. You have for the first. I was here all day long. 10am till I guess like 6 o'. Clock.
- [48:32]
Robert Cabral
Me too.
- [48:33]
Podcast Host (possibly Spencer)
You could have been dropping. I called Heidi, told me to call the fire department. I'll say this for the rest of my life. They said, oh, we have no assets. One fire truck would have stopped it coming down because it came around here and it's not that big of a space.
- [48:46]
Robert Cabral
Right.
- [48:46]
Podcast Host (possibly Spencer)
And there's supposedly that big water thing that did have water in it next to the reservoir. So you just put water on the side? No. So then it takes all these houses out.
- [48:56]
Co-host or Guest (possibly Heidi)
I just had to know if we called them and I wouldn't want to feel that way for the rest of my life. Like, what if we had called the firemen? Or what if we had called 911? I was like, please. As I was driving away and I saw like the huge flames, I was like, just call them.
- [49:09]
Podcast Host (possibly Spencer)
Yeah. So glad I did, because I just. We have no assets available.
- [49:13]
Robert Cabral
I'm like, that's insane. But, but think about it. We have two fire stations essentially, right? Or three.
- [49:19]
Podcast Host (possibly Spencer)
I mean, at this point, it's 5:00 clock at night. There should be 3,000 firefighters.
- [49:23]
Robert Cabral
You would think so, right?
- [49:24]
Podcast Host (possibly Spencer)
We live in one of the biggest.
- [49:25]
Co-host or Guest (possibly Heidi)
Cities, but we didn't hear one siren.
- [49:28]
Robert Cabral
Neither did we.
- [49:29]
Co-host or Guest (possibly Heidi)
And that's the scary part. I was like, it's such an emergency. You would hear all these sirens.
- [49:33]
Podcast Host (possibly Spencer)
Not one Sharon.
- [49:34]
Co-host or Guest (possibly Heidi)
And we did ask about the water all the time because we were up there with our kids almost every single day and we were watching them fix it. And they said, we're fixing it, we're fixing it. We saw them do a water test recently and they made it sound like we had water in it. We saw the water running down all the time. The kids would play in the water.
- [49:52]
Robert Cabral
We.
- [49:52]
Co-host or Guest (possibly Heidi)
We'd make little streams. So we were asking about the water constantly, especially every Time we saw the firemen up there, which was monthly. So it's not that we weren't concerned in asking those questions, because we were. Our kids were.
- [50:06]
Podcast Host (possibly Spencer)
I mean, just now who I am now, I would have been making videos every day. Going knocking on the ladwp. When's the wild. You know, now I get what you have to do to make sure the things you're paying for with your taxes are even done. Because nobody.
- [50:20]
Robert Cabral
Yeah.
- [50:21]
Podcast Host (possibly Spencer)
If you assumed because you send that check to the state and the Fed that they care past that dollar.
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Co-host or Guest (possibly Heidi)
But we do need to do that.
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Podcast Host (possibly Spencer)
Positive note, Are you still doing the YouTube channel or. Yeah, YouTube, Facebook. What are all the. Because I feel like I've learned more just from your IG reel, but I need to. You got the YouTube channel. Everything's bad. K9.
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Robert Cabral
No, it's all Robert Cabrell. Yeah. If you look at Robert. Just Robert Cabrell. Dogs. Robert Cabrell anywhere you spell the last name. C, A, B, R, A, L. Yeah. And there's tons. I mean, I've got a membership section, but honestly, it's free everywhere. YouTube. Facebook has tons of videos. YouTube has, I think, over a thousand videos that you can just edge if you just watch that. It's all you need, really.
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Podcast Host (possibly Spencer)
And then, final note, what could Karen Bass do from your opinion with what is the government's missing role in killing the dogs?
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Robert Cabral
Well, they need to get somebody who's the head of LA Animal Services. They have not had a head of Animal Services. When Brenda Barnett quit or retired, they appointed one person, Stacy Danes, I think her name was, and she was in there. She literally. It was like a Jimmy Hoffa thing. She just disappeared. She was literally gone. And I sent her an email. Hey, I'm happy to help you. They need to appoint a general manager of LA Animal Services who knows how to make the system work. And they need to fund it because it's an underfunded department. It's less than 1% of the city's budget, and they're constantly cutting. What they do is they cut a little bit and then they give back. So it's back where it was, which is just under where it should be. There's no, you know, there's no expansion. And the. I will. I gotta say this. If you hear nothing else I say the people who work in the shelters and the volunteers are angels on this earth because they go in there and do stuff I could not do. Every day they're in there playing with these dogs, feeding these dogs, training, working with these dogs, loving these dogs. Like they were never loved in their life. And then they come in on Tuesday. What happened to Spot? Oh, he got killed. He's in the barrel in the back. I couldn't live with myself. And I remember when I worked in the shelters and that happened. I was literally like on a verge of depression. These people are trying their best. The volunteers and the employees are the only thing who keep this people who keep this from being the biggest disaster in the world, which it is already. But there's no money, there's no leadership which goes into everything under, you know, I mean, Karen Bass has been a disaster.
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Co-host or Guest (possibly Heidi)
Well, Magna.
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Podcast Host (possibly Spencer)
Yes. All right. Well, thank you so much.
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Robert Cabral
Thank you. Yeah.
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Podcast Host (possibly Spencer)
And we'll see you.
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Co-host or Guest (possibly Heidi)
And we miss you.
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Robert Cabral
Yeah.
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Podcast Host (possibly Spencer)
You're one of my favorite things to drive by Spencer.
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Co-host or Guest (possibly Heidi)
Yeah. He was so excited to have you be our neighbor too.
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Podcast Host (possibly Spencer)
And we're still now. Now I'm more energetically connected because I got a similar dog to your frequency. So at least I can cosplay of your. Your but it's no joke.
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Robert Cabral
Yeah.
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Podcast Host (possibly Spencer)
I keep telling Heidi, like, this is not like what it looks like on ig, right? No, you can't watch a movie. You there. He wants.
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Robert Cabral
It's a full time job.
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Co-host or Guest (possibly Heidi)
Full.
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Podcast Host (possibly Spencer)
It's like.
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Co-host or Guest (possibly Heidi)
Yeah.
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Podcast Host (possibly Spencer)
And you don't want to just put him in his crate because then it's like, why have it?
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Robert Cabral
So you're just. No, you're doing great with him. I'm watching your stuff. It's really great. And more people should do that if they have a dog like that. It.
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Podcast Host (possibly Spencer)
Well, thank you.
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Co-host or Guest (possibly Heidi)
Thank you. Please share it and share likes comments Please buy Spencer's book and stream our music. Thank you.
- [53:51]
Podcast Host (possibly Spencer)
Every now and then I rinse it.
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Robert Cabral
Out.
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Podcast Host (possibly Spencer)
Needing more My kid went so bad and the smell never leaves I don't know what to do I'm always.
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Robert Cabral
In the dark the sweat and de.
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Podcast Host (possibly Spencer)
Sure smells like a dark I'm down here tonight Downy rinse fights stubborn odors in just one wash.
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Robert Cabral
When impossible odors get stuck in rinse it out.