Asha Kreimer: The Restroom at Rollerville

Summary

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The Final Hours with Sarah Turney & Courtney Nicole

Episode Title: Asha Kreimer: The Restroom at Rollerville
Podcast: Crime House
Date: July 27, 2026

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Episode Overview

In this episode of The Final Hours, Sarah Turney and Courtney Nicole examine the mysterious 2015 disappearance of 26-year-old Asha Kreimer from Point Arena, California. With their characteristic depth, the hosts focus keenly on the last days and hours before Asha vanished after reportedly stepping out to use the restroom at the Rollerville Cafe. Through careful discussion, they explore Asha’s personal history, the mental health crisis leading up to her disappearance, investigative efforts, and lingering questions that haunt her loved ones to this day. The hosts’ own experiences and empathy for families caught in unresolved trauma permeate the episode.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

Asha’s Early Life & Character (05:15–13:10)

• Background: Born in Hawaii, raised mostly by her mother after her parents’ separation and her father’s death.
• Childhood trauma: At age 12–13, Asha was questioned by police regarding a sexual assault—an event that deeply affected her.
  • Courtney Nicole: "I think it's absolutely insane that they stopped a 12 year old little girl to question her about this. That's traumatizing." (06:28)
• Adolescence/Young Adulthood:
  • Thrived at St. Peter’s Lutheran College in Brisbane; athletic and socially connected.
  • Worked at a hostel, studied massage, and eventually moved to San Francisco with her sister at 22.
• Relationship: Met and quickly bonded with Jemiah Gale, moving from city to rural Albion, CA for a new life.

Events Leading to Asha’s Disappearance (12:07–19:02)

• September 2015:
  • Asha visits LA for her sister’s birthday, comes home subdued and anxious.
  • Becomes withdrawn—eating and sleeping less, obsessing over past struggles, and overwhelmed by incoming visitors (Olivia, a friend; Sally, a childhood friend).
• Escalating Mental Health Crisis:
  • After looking at childhood photos with Sally, Asha becomes catatonic; says traumatic memories resurface.
  • Begins exhibiting disturbed behavior—nightmares, cryptic speech, concerning confessions.
  • "She woke up regularly at 3am… obsessing about every struggle she'd had since they first met." (12:07, Sarah Turney)

Family & Friends Try to Help (16:30–22:04)

• Outreach Attempts & System Limitations:
  • Jemiah seeks psychiatric help—most options unavailable over the weekend.
  • Asha admits to thoughts of self-harm; crisis line and ER recommended.
  • Asha refuses to speak or cooperate at first; later, agrees to a hospital run.
• Mental Health System Navigation:
  • In the ER, Asha becomes nonverbal, tries to flee repeatedly, eventually placed on a 5150 hold (California code for involuntary commitment due to danger to self/others).
  • When released, she continues to display psychosis and erratic behavior.
  • Memorable Quote: "She just didn't want to be lonely." – Asha’s response to whether she wanted a facility or release (26:15)

The Morning of Disappearance (30:55–35:39)

• September 21, 2015:
  • Jemiah, Sally, and Asha go for a drive; stop at Rollerville Cafe for breakfast.
  • Asha, laughing hysterically then crying, seems unwell; she leaves to go to the restroom around 11:00 a.m.
    • Key Moment: "Asha walked out the side door of the Rollerville Cafe. And that was the last time a loved one saw her alive." (33:24, Courtney Nicole)
  • When Jemiah checks, Asha is missing; despite hours of searching, there is no sign of her.

Aftermath and Search (36:06–43:43)

• Immediate Efforts:
  • Flyers, coordination with friends, frequent searches; Asha’s mother Jeannie arrives from Australia (37:45).
  • Conflicting reports about Asha’s phone—is it left behind, or seen after her disappearance?
  • Unconfirmed sightings—at a lighthouse gift shop, and possibly traveling in a car with a stranger (40:46).
• Family’s Struggles and Theories:
  • Jeannie suspects Jemiah’s involvement, despite being cleared by police; hosts relate to family's impulse to seek explanations in chaos (38:43).
    • Courtney Nicole: "As someone whose own family was affected by a violent crime, it's natural to try and understand the situation by any means possible when honestly, nothing about it makes sense." (38:43)
  • Investigators consider suicide, accidental death, or voluntary disappearance—possibly linked to a mental health crisis or outside intervention.
• Neighbor’s Involvement:
  • Asha’s neighbor Eddie (who tried to help her the morning she vanished) himself disappears in 2018—unclear if related.
• Unresolved: Despite media coverage and searches, Asha’s fate remains unknown.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Asha’s trauma:
  "I think it's absolutely insane that they stopped a 12 year old little girl to question her about this. That's traumatizing."
  — Courtney Nicole (06:28)

• Recollections on fate and connections:
  "There's this whole idea of the invisible string theory... some people are just meant to find each other no matter how unlikely."
  — Courtney Nicole (09:14)

• The difficulty of navigating psychiatric care:
  "This situation is really, really difficult, and it's unfortunate because hospitals can't just physically stop someone from leaving just because they're acting strange. Legally, there has to be a reason to hold them..."
  — Courtney Nicole (22:04)

• Asha’s mental state in her own words:
  "I killed Joy. Eddy killed Joy." — Repeated by Asha during psychotic episode (26:15)
  "She just didn't want to be lonely." — Asha’s response about being held or released (26:15)

• On the lasting pain for family:
  "What does a mom do when you come find out that your daughter's missing? I think it's just second nature to question everything."
  — Sarah Turney (40:34)

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Timeline & Timestamps for Major Events

• 05:15–13:10: Asha’s early life, family background, personality
• 12:07–14:44: Relationship with Jemiah & move to Albion, CA
• 14:44–16:30: LA visit, escalation of depression & anxiety
• 16:30–19:02: Repressed memory surfaces, first signs of crisis, attempts to find help
• 20:45–22:04: ER visit, escalation—5150 psychiatric hold and release
• 27:52–30:55: Outbursts, confessions, attempts at self-harm, neighbor Eddie’s encounter
• 30:55–33:24: Morning of disappearance—drive to Rollerville Cafe, Asha leaves to use restroom (33:24: last loved-one sighting)
• 36:06–37:45: Search begins: cafe area, highways, missing person report
• 37:45–40:46: Jeannie’s arrival, family’s suspicions, police investigation, flyer campaign, uncertain sightings
• 40:46–42:47: Theories (drowning, abduction, voluntary vanishing), cold case status
• 42:47–43:43: Jeannie’s continued efforts, Netflix’s "Murder Mountain," theories of working in marijuana black market, Eddie’s later disappearance
• 44:11–45:41: Recap of the facts, final appeal for information

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Investigation & Theories

• Official Theories:
  • Suicide/accidental death—due to proximity to cliffs and ocean.
  • Left voluntarily—possibly due to mental health crisis.
  • Abduction or harmed by a stranger.
  • Rumors about working on a marijuana farm remain unsubstantiated.
• Jemiah and family: Both cleared by investigators; family struggles with suspicion and grief.

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Final Summary & Call to Action

The episode closes by re-emphasizing Asha’s struggles, the failed safeguards of the mental health system, and the ongoing efforts by her mother to keep her case alive. Listeners are asked to help—searching for tips, sharing flyers, and supporting the family’s search for answers.

• "If you have any information about Asha Kramer, you can visit the Help Find Asha Kramer Facebook page or contact the Mendocino County Sheriff's office at 707-463-4611 and reference case number 2015-2867." (45:41)

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Description of Asha at Time of Disappearance

• Age in 2026: 37 years
• Heritage: Biracial (Black and white)
• Physical: 5’10”, 135–148 lbs, brown hair, brown eyes
• Distinguishing Features: Tattoo of a red triangle on her right wrist, gap between front teeth, birthmark under left breast, strong Australian accent

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Tone & Takeaways

• Empathetic, conversational, and analytical: The hosts blend investigative rigor with warmth and experience, underscoring the complexity of missing persons cases and the trauma for families.
• Key Takeaway: The details that lead up to a disappearance can be overwhelming, and systems meant to protect people in crisis can fail despite the best intentions of their families and loved ones.
• Quote for Reflection:
  "Sometimes that confusion can translate into placing blame. So I don't think this is totally unnatural... even though I'm sure for Jemeis it doesn't feel great."
  — Courtney Nicole (38:43)

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For more details, visit Crime House or follow The Final Hours podcast for updates on Asha Kreimer and other overlooked missing persons cases.

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Transcript

[Sarah Turney]

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[Courtney Nicole]

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[Sarah Turney]

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[Courtney Nicole]

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[Sarah Turney]

This is crime house. It's 2015. You're on the coast of California, 300 miles north of San Francisco in a town called Point Arena. About one mile from the shoreline, a cluster of brown wood cabins stands behind a sign for the Lighthouse Point Resort. Another sign affixed to the leftmost building says Rollerville Cafe with a picture of a waitress on roller skates. Inside is a traditional American home style diner that looks like it's been frozen in time. The wallpaper is striped red and white, the floors are wood, and the tables and chairs are worn down. All the art is brightly colored, and there are knickknacks everywhere.

[Courtney Nicole]

The one thing the restaurant does not have is a bathroom. It's located inside another building in the complex, which means a person has to leave the building if they want to use it. And that's exactly what 26 year old Asha Kramer said she was going to do almost 11 years ago when she walked out of the Rollerville Cafe and never returned. Every year, over half a million people go missing, and that's just in the United States alone. Most of those stories barely get a headline. Some don't even get a tip line. And when cases do get media attention, we only get the broad strokes.

[Sarah Turney]

But for those of us who have lived these true crime cases, we know the devil's in the details. This is the Final Hours A Crime House Original Powered by Pave Studios. I'm Sarah Turney.

[Courtney Nicole]

And I'm Courtney Nicole. Every Monday, Sarah and I will be looking at the final hours of someone's disappearance to see if there was anything hiding in plain sight.

[Sarah Turney]

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[Courtney Nicole]

This episode we're discussing the disappearance of Asha Kramer. On Monday, September 21, 2015, the free spirited 26 year old Asha went for a drive with her live in boyfriend and friend. The three of them headed down the California coast and stopped for breakfast at a little resort. But Asha disappeared after saying she was going to use the restroom. And to this day her whereabouts remain a mystery.

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[Sarah Turney]

Before we begin today's episode, we wanted to note that there is discussion of self harm. If you or anyone you know is struggling, please know that help is always available and you can call or text the suicide in Crisis Hotline at 988-Now-Let's get into the story.

[Courtney Nicole]

For much of her life, Asha Kramer appeared to know her direction, who she was and where she was going. That is until one event seemed to change it all. After looking through a pile of old photographs with a childhood friend, a a dark memory resurfaced after that. Those closest to Asha said it seemed like something shifted in her. And then three days later, Asha disappeared. But before we discuss what Asha went through, let's talk about the person she was.

[Sarah Turney]

She was born on May 2, 1989 in Hilo, Hawaii to parents Jeanie and Russell. She also had an older sister named Junsey. In 1991, when Asha was two years old, her family moved to Redcliffe, Australia, where her mom studied midwifery. But in 1996, when Asha was around seven years old, her Parents separated, and it's not exactly clear when, but at some point during her youth, Asha's father passed away. From the age of 7 on, Asha and her older sister were raised solely by their mother. Jeannie took a job as a nurse in an Aboriginal community called Pipilajara, which was remote and landlocked in the center of Australia. The closest school for Asha and Jhansi was in Alice Springs, a small town where cultures clashed. Jeannie could tell that Asha felt unsafe living there. For example, this was the kind of thing that Asha had to deal with. One day in the early 2000s when she was about 12 or 13, she caught an early bus home and walked the rest of the way. That's when a police officer stopped and questioned her about a violent sexual assault that had happened in the area. Asha knew nothing about it, but it stuck with her afterward. She was terrified and had trouble leaving the house.

[Courtney Nicole]

I think it's absolutely insane that they stopped a 12 year old little girl to question her about this. That's traumatizing. And also what's interesting, Sarah, is I found that while this happened in Australia, most countries actually do have special rules around questioning children. And I think the biggest concern is that kids are a lot more suggestible than adults. Like, they can be easily intimidated. So that's why in a lot of places, interviews with children are done by specially trained professionals. So this event likely was very traumatic for Asha since it sounds like it was not done properly.

[Sarah Turney]

Yeah, I mean, I think that we're both very pro. Let's get to the bottom of this. Let's solve the crime. But stopping a child on the streets isn't the way to do that, in my opinion. Like you said, they have trained professionals to do this. This just wasn't the right approach also,

[Courtney Nicole]

I mean, like 12 years old, who's to say that she even knew, like, what that topic was about? I don't know. I'm thinking back to when I was 12 and I really didn't know. Like, I was pretty innocent, as most kids are at 12 years old. So that's just insane that they stopped a random little girl on the street to bring this up.

[Sarah Turney]

Yeah, that definitely seems out of protocol. Well, Asha's mom responded to her newfound fear by sending her to boarding school in Alice Springs. Jeannie spoke with the Thin Air podcast, who got a lot of first hand interviews with the people close to Asha and helped us fill in a lot of gaps in Asha's history. Jeannie said that around the age of 14, Asha transferred to St. Peter's Lutheran College, a private school in the large coastal city of Brisbane, about 1500 miles away. There, Asha thrived. She was popular and loved by her many friends. They described her as an old soul, was the first to know about cool new things. Plus, her grades reflected just how smart she was. And she started playing soccer and doing track and Field. Around 2007, after high school graduation, 18 year old Asha moved 100 miles south of Brisbane to Malumbanby, whose 3,000 residents lovingly called it the biggest little town in Australia. Janie now lived there between her stints working as a nurse with the Aboriginal communities. During that time, Asha considered studying journalism, but decided to take time off from school first. She and her sister Jansi worked at a hostel called the Arts Factory Lodge, where they studied therapeutic massage. This phase of Asha's life was relatively quiet, but she had a growing desire to travel. One day, when Jeannie returned from working with a group in the Australian interior, Asha and Jaunsy shared their latest plans. They were moving to California. Jeannie felt like this decision came Suddenly. But in 2011, when Asha was 22, she helped her daughters move to San Francisco. Asha and Jaunsy shared a studio apartment and Asha found work at the Burke Williams Day Spa.

[Courtney Nicole]

Asha found romance quickly, too. One night, about two weeks after they got to San Francisco, Asha and Jensy were walking home. They met two skateboarders who invited them to a birthday party for a man named Jemi Gale. When the sisters got there, Asha and Jemiah hit it off. They had a lot in common. Both of their moms were nurses and their fathers were musicians. They were also both mixed race. Coincidentally, Asha had even met Jemeis brothers previously when they were traveling in Australia. I think it's pretty insane that she previously met his brothers, like long before they even met. There's this whole idea of the invisible string theory, which I've always been obsessed with, and that's that some people are just meant to find each other no matter how unlikely the circumstances are. And when you hear stories like this, it's kind of hard not to think about it.

[Sarah Turney]

No, I totally agree. It's like such a small world. It reminds me of like you'll see on social media when people have a picture of them together as kids and they're just like, they happen to be on family vacation, right? And then there's this picture of them on the cruise deck or whatever, and then they get married 20 years later, having no idea that they were on that cruise together. Like, I believe in that fully. It is such a small world. And I think we're a lot more connected connected than we think sometimes.

[Courtney Nicole]

Oh, for sure. Honestly, I love stories like that and I don't know if it's fate or like just our brains trying to make sense of random events, but I just think it's such a beautiful idea. So I'm gonna stick with believing in that.

[Sarah Turney]

Yes, I love it. We need some more beauty in this world.

[Courtney Nicole]

Asha and Jemmai started hanging out almost every day and grew incredibly close, which put some distance between Asha and Jauncey. Asha got to know the rest of Jemeis family who lived in the area, and then they moved in together in San Francisco's mission district in 2013. Asha and Jemaye were looking forward to the future. They wanted to live in a house, but couldn't afford anything in San Francisco, so they went on Craigslist to see what was available in the surrounding area. They saw a listing three hours north of San Francisco in Albion, California, a coastal community with a population under 300. The property was six acres with two rustic houses and a Jacuzzi enveloped in redwood trees. It was so beautiful that they were willing to uproot their entire lives, find new jobs and build a new community just to live there. But Asha's mom, Jeannie, was a little concerned about the move, mostly because Asha was making a habit of recreational pot smoking. Genie thought this was risky for Asha, considering she had a genetic predisposition for short mental illness on both sides of the family. But there were a lot of good things going on for Asha in Albion, like space for their two dogs, cats and chickens to run around. And she found plenty of work. Between the inn at Schoolhouse Creek and the plant shop digging dog nursery, Asha seemed to be thriving for at least the next two years. But in September 2015, things changed.

[Sarah Turney]

While Asha was establishing her life with Jemeis, her sister Johnsy moved to Los Angeles. And as the calendar turned to September 2015, Asha went to LA to celebrate Jaunsy's birthday. On Sunday, September 6, Jemiah picked Asha up from her return flight in San Francisco. In the car, she told him she wanted to make some changes in her life. Like she hadn't gotten her American driver's license yet and she wanted to improve her relationships, get closer with his mom and stepdad. Other than that, Asha mostly stayed silent during the three hour drive and she seemed relieved when they got home. But Jemei noticed that something was different about Asha after that visit to la. She became quiet and reserved and seemed depressed. She didn't appear to trust her judgment about anything anymore and admitted she was struggling with her self confidence. Asha also started obsessing about every struggle she'd had since they first met. For example, she wanted to get married to Jemiah and have a baby, but they were having trouble conceiving. She wanted to see a fertility doctor and go to therapy and before she used to sleep through the night, but after her return from Los Angeles she woke up regularly at 3am she also ate noticeably less than usual. On top of all of it, Asha was dealing with the pressure of hosting a few visitors over the next 10 days.

[Courtney Nicole]

First was her sister's friend Olivia Ponton. The exact nature of Olivia's visit is unclear, but she and Asha had only met once. Thankfully, Asha and Jemai had a ton of space in case things got awkward. Next up was Asha's close childhood friend from Australia, Sally Scales. This visit was a big deal to Asha. She and Jemai cleaned the house top to bottom after her return from Los Angeles, but Jamiah said she seemed obsessed with making everything perfect, like she couldn't stop cleaning. By the time Olivia got to town in mid September, Asha was still depressed, but she was starting to open up about it. She was also apologizing to Jemiah profusely for Sally's upcoming visit, even though throughout their entire four year relationship she had talked to him about Sally. Asha said she was like a sister. She and Sally had met in 1996 when Asha was about seven years old and her mom started working for her first Aboriginal community. Sally was a member of that community and spent a lot of time at the Kramers house in Alice Springs. But Asha appeared really anxious about Sally's visit, way more so than Olivia's. In fact, she told Jemai she preferred Sally not stay at their house. She suggested she might be more comfortable at Jemai's mother's house three hours away in San Francisco. But when he asked her why, she wouldn't say.

[Sarah Turney]

On Wednesday, September 16, 2015, Jemeis drove Asha to pick Sally up from San Francisco International Airport. Asha and Jemiah did take Sally to Jamiah's mother's house, but only for dinner, which was also the last full meal anyone saw Asha eat. That night. Jemiah pulled his mom aside and confided in her about Asha's behavior. The next day, Thursday, September 17, Asha and Jemiah took Sally from their house in Albion to the nearby town of Mendocino. They were buying wine, cheese and cold cuts at a grocery store when Asha abruptly left to sit in the car by herself. Sally told Jemiah that She thought Asha seemed depressed, that Asha liked country life, but didn't like being so far from the city. But Asha had also told Jemiah that she was having trouble relating to her old friend.

[Courtney Nicole]

Well, they were definitely both putting in the work. Because on Friday, September 18, Asha and Sally had a long discussion about the deaths of their fathers. Then together, they looked at old photographs. But that's when they came across a picture of a white, white house. According to Sally, Asha shot upright and went catatonic. She left Sally's room and went to find Jemeis in the hot tub. She confided in him that she had just had a rush of traumatic memories from her childhood resurface. We should note that Asha had no prior history of mental illness before this. But Jemeis suggested they find Asha help from a mental health professional, and she agreed. They reached out to local therapists, clinics and women's groups. Since places were closed for the weekend, they made a plan for Asha to find somewhere to go on Monday. That night, Asha woke Jemiah up shouting, I haven't gotten over my father's death. End quote. From then on, it began happening nightly.

[Sarah Turney]

I know this is heartbreaking.

[Courtney Nicole]

It is super heartbreaking. And I feel like this part alone confuses a lot of people and I think it would be super helpful to clear some things up. So psychiatric emergency services themselves don't really close, but a lot of outpatient mental health clinics, private practices, and places that do non emergency evaluations absolutely. Can have limited hours or be closed on weekends. So it's possible that's what he was running into.

[Sarah Turney]

So. This is so hard. I don't think I've ever really had, like, a repressed memory, but there's been times where, like, I see a photograph of something from my childhood and it wipes me out. Like, I need a day to just, like, reflect and recover and. And it kind of feels like something similar might have happened here.

[Courtney Nicole]

Yeah, I would. I would agree. I personally have never had anything like traumatic resurface like that. But I will be going about my day and, like, I'll step outside and I'll smell something outside that smells like something from my childhood, something that I have not thought about in a really long time, that I've not experienced in a really long time. And it brings me back to that exact moment when I was a kid. And so I'm again, like you just said, I'm assuming that's kind of what happened here. Only it seems like whatever she remembered was not good.

[Sarah Turney]

Yeah, I mean, I think it happens more than people talk about. And again, I think that's why we keep referring to these resources throughout this episode. Right. Again 988 if you're in crisis 247 because I feel like it's not spoken about enough. How this trauma can come out of nowhere. Right. How something that happened, you know, a decade ago. We don't know what happened here with Asha. Right. But something that may have happened years ago can just come right back up to the surface with a scent. Right. Something you smell or a picture or something that somebody says and it just knocks you right off your feet.

[Courtney Nicole]

Yeah. Especially like in Asha's case, if you've never had any prior experience with mental health episodes. Something like this can be really scary and like you don't know how to understand it or like process it. So like we said 988 or honestly, if you feel like it is an emergency, I would say the ER is the best place to go. But if it's not an emergency and you just want to talk and you need to get something off your chest or to help understand something. 9 At 8 anytime, day or night the next morning, Saturday, September 19, 2015, Jemai, Sally and Olivia all sat with Asha. They tried to get her to talk, but she only shrugged her shoulders and made unusual hand gestures. Asha hardly responded verbally. That is until Jemai asked Asha if she felt like hurting herself. When she answered yes, he knew help could not wait until Monday.

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On Saturday, September 19, 2015, Jamiah called a crisis hotline for Asha. He put her on the phone to talk to the operator, but she refused to say anything. The operator instructed Jemiah to take Asha to the emergency room, but she didn't want to go. Jamiah and Sally checked back in with her throughout the day, but she didn't change her mind. The next day, Sunday, September 20, 2015 Jemiah did something to try to cheer Asha up. He took her, Sally, and Olivia to her favorite restaurant, but again, she hardly ate during the meal. Asha told Jemiah that she wanted to call her mom, but the restaurant didn't have Internet and they needed to call over Skype. Jemiah reassured Asha that she could call Jeanie as soon as they got home, but when they got back later that day, Asha didn't call her mom. Instead, she called 911 and didn't say anything. She just hung up. So the dispatcher called back. Jemiah handed Asha the phone, but she still wouldn't speak. Jemiah asked Asha if they could finally go to the emergency room, and this time she agreed. But while Jemiah drove her to the hospital, Asha brought up an interesting conversation. She told him she thought he'd been unfaithful to her at the start of their relationship. Jemiah told her they could address all those issues later. For now, they just needed to get her help.

[Courtney Nicole]

Once they got there, a nurse placed Asha in a wheelchair, but before they could take her away, Asha stopped the wheelchair. Suddenly. She stood up and nearly fell over, but Jamiah and the nurse rushed to her side. They braced her as she walked reluctantly through the emergency room doors. Five steps in, Asha's arms, legs and body stiffened and she stumbled backwards into the nurse's station. When a doctor asked Jemai if Asha was on drugs, he said she wasn't, but her behavior had been very unusual over the past few days. During their conversation, Asha attempted to bolt out of the er. Jamiayah tried to physically restrain her while the hospital staff stayed out of the interaction, but Asha managed to get away, leaving the hospital and running out to the street. Jemeis did everything he could to try and bring her back, but every time he got hold of her, she broke free. Watching this play out, a nurse advised jemeis to call 911 and follow ASHA from a safe distance. This situation is really, really difficult, and it's unfortunate because hospitals can't just physically stop someone from leaving just because they're acting strange. Legally, there has to be a reason to hold them, like if they're a danger to themselves or someone else. Otherwise, staff have to respect the patient's rights, even if they disagree with the decision to leave.

[Sarah Turney]

Yeah. I mean, I've never been through anything like this, but it seems like Jamaya was really doing all the right things.

[Courtney Nicole]

Yeah, I feel horrible for him because, I mean, that has to be scary for Asha, but it also has to be scary for those around her. Watching her go through this, that is terrifying.

[Sarah Turney]

Yeah. I mean, when somebody you know and you love starts acting completely different, I mean, what do you do?

[Courtney Nicole]

I don't know. In this specific situation, it seems to me like the hospital staff maybe should have tried a little bit harder. But again, like, legally, if she's checking off all those boxes, that there's nothing wrong. They legally just can't do anything. So it's like a fine line.

[Sarah Turney]

Yeah. I mean, she has the freedom to, you know, run out to the street if she doesn't want to go into the hospital. A thousand percent. I just. I don't know. I feel like everybody did the best that they could in this situation, and I just can't even imagine. Have you ever gone through anything like that?

[Courtney Nicole]

No, I never have. And I. I don't know. Like I said, it's a sticky situation, and it's hard because, like, you want to believe the person going through this that, like, they're okay, and if they say they don't want to be there, then maybe they don't need to be there. But I don't know. All of her symptoms, like, leading up to this, it's alarming. And like you said, I feel like everyone was just doing the best they could with what they had at the time.

[Sarah Turney]

Yeah, I totally agree, but it does feel like it's escalating. Well, after that, Asha left the hospital grounds and walked west toward the town of Fort Bragg's Main street while Jemiah followed her. He got a 911 dispatcher on the phone. Then Asha started trying to enter street strangers cars. First, a vehicle with a family inside refused to let her in and drove away. Then a man who Jemaya described As creepy spotted Asha and pulled over. As asha started to open the door, he rolled down his window and looked around. When he noticed jemaya watching, he drove away.

[Courtney Nicole]

Thankfully, the next driver to acknowledge Asha was a fort bragg police officer. He questioned jemai and he explained to him the situation. But asha didn't talk at all. So he placed her under a 5150 hold, the California code for the temporary 72 hour involuntary commitment of an individual who may be in danger to themselves or others due to apparent mental illness. The officer handcuffed Asha and put her in the back of his squad car where Jemeis joined her for the return to the hospital. There, it took two police officers, a paramedic, and three hospital staff members to fasten her onto a stretcher and and restraints. Jemei shared her medical history with the doctor. She had multiple family members who suffered from mental illnesses and experienced manic episodes, including her father when he was around her age. According to Jemeis, Asha tried to leave the hospital about 15 more times before a social worker arrived. When they did get there, Asha started to talk, but what she said was really cryptic. I killed joy and eddie killed joy. End quote. Then she repeated this over and over.

[Sarah Turney]

So asha was referring to their neighbor In Albion, a 49 year old man named Laurel Pratt Ryan, who people called Eddie. His girlfriend was a woman named Joy may Taylor, but both were alive. The social worker told asha he didn't care about them. He only cared about how she was doing. But then he had Asha sign some paperwork to get her ready for release. Jemi thought Asha's behavior should have been enough for the social worker to keep her on a 5150 hold. But instead he asked her if she wanted to go to a mental health facility or be released. Asha's response? She just didn't want to be lonely. Jemiah claimed a doctor then diagnosed her with bipolar disorder and said she was experiencing psychosis, a state in which someone may struggle to distinguish their own thoughts and perceptions from what's actually, actually happening around them. It's a symptom, not a diagnosis in itself, and it can occur in conditions like bipolar disorder. But instead of treating her immediately, they made an appointment for her to come back the next day. Then a nurse handed Jemiah the discharge paperwork and told them they can come back if needed.

[Courtney Nicole]

Sarah, knowing what we know now, I just want to scream at them to like, please hold her and don't let her go. But like we already said, it's so hard if they're giving her the option and she feels okay, even if others around her are thinking clearly, she's not. You know, overall, she has that right. And legally, there's not really much you can do to stop her.

[Sarah Turney]

Yeah, I mean, I don't think anybody's acting maliciously here. Right. It seems like everybody was trying to do what was best for her, you know, but hindsight is 20 20.

[Courtney Nicole]

Well, things only got more intense on the car ride home. Asha made a shocking confession. She admitted that she'd terminated a pregnancy in Australia and that she'd also cheated on Jemeis with one of his friends. Then she just kept repeating the phrase I killed Joy. As they continued back to Albion, Asha's behavior remained as concerning as her words. At one point, Asha even jumped out of the moving vehicle. Jemiah got her back into the car, seemingly uninjured, and they made it home safely. Throughout the evening, Jemiah and Sally tried to comfort Asha. They spent hours talking to her and continued to offer her food and water, but she refused it all. After that, Asha made multiple attempts to access means of self harm that night. That night, neither Jemeis nor Asha slept. Even though Asha didn't have her driver's license. Jemeis heard her start the car multiple times. Thankfully, it didn't seem like she drove off. But then he found her outside holding a candle, using it to burn a piece of paper. When he asked her what she was doing, she turned the flame on him,

[Sarah Turney]

Feeling helpless, Jemiah thought his mother, who was also a nurse, could step in. He called her the next morning on Monday, September 21, 2015. When Jemiah put Asha on, she spoke with a fake upbeat voice and lied, saying that the hospital had given her medication. Jemiah took the phone and told her his version of the story. His mom advised them to get Asha medicated immediately. Later, while Jemiah was distracted, Asha slipped away. She went over to the neighbor Eddie's property, the one who she'd been talking about earlier. Eddie found Asha trying to enter his trailer. To him, it looked like she was trying to hide, which made sense after she gave a series of shocking confessions. Asha told Eddie that Jamiah supposedly harmed their dog, that she'd killed Joy, Eddie's girlfriend of 15 years, and she described how she was abused as a child. Betty knew Asha was going through a hard time. Jemiah told him about the day before, but it had to have been hard to decipher what was true and what was connected to her mental health. So he put his jacket around her shoulders and sent her home. But he didn't go with her. Eventually, Jemiah and Sally found Asha and brought her back to their house. Now, Jemiah was all in on helping Asha, but he noticed Sally's compassion for her starting to dwindle. Looking for something nice and easy they could do together, Jemiah suggested they take their dogs for a walk. But Asha didn't want to go. So he asked her why she kept trying to run off. Asha told Jemiah that she was considering self harm. Then Asha ran off faster than he'd ever seen her run in her life. She sprinted down the gravel road away from their house. As she went, her sandals flew off her feet. She didn't even seem to notice her bare feet pounding against the rocks. But she wasn't gone for long. Soon after, Asha burst back into the house, out of breath. During all the commotion, Eddie from next door left a voicemail. He said he was deeply concerned about Asha, but didn't share any of the details of her visit.

[Courtney Nicole]

In an attempt to ground Asha, Sally suggested a drive down the coast. The two of them used to take long drives when they were growing up in Australia, and Sally knew she loved to sleep in the car. They actually should have been getting ready for Asha's follow up appointment at that point, but Jemai thought it would be good for Asha and wanted to let her recover after their stressful visit to the er. So Jemai drove Asha and Sally away from the house on Middle Ridge Road. On his way out of the neighborhood, they passed Eddie, who told Jemai, quote, do not let her out of your sight, end quote. I don't obviously know why Eddie didn't immediately tell Jemai that Asha showed up on his property that morning, but the only. Only thing I can think is that he was just worried about her and wanted to do everything to protect her. As we know, Asha never experienced anything like this before. So this is a new and really scary situation for everyone. Sometimes in the heat of the moment, you just simply don't know what to do. And that's okay.

[Sarah Turney]

Yeah, I mean, I'm right there with you. I really don't blame Eddie for not telling Jemiah right away, especially because Asha was talking about like, potential abuse by Jemai. Right. On their dog. But still, if somebody comes to me, even in that frantic of a state, if you will, for lack of a better term, and they're describing abuse from somebody, I'm not gonna go tell the person that they're saying abused, you know, somebody or a dog. So I get it. It seems like Eddie is really just taking a backseat, hoping that things flesh out and that he doesn't have to get that involved.

[Courtney Nicole]

I feel like while he is taking a backseat, he's still like, actively looking out for her. And I feel like that's such a. He's just such a good neighbor to have.

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[Sarah Turney]

I mean, what do you do in that situation? She's clearly going through a mental health crisis at this point. So, I mean, do you go run and tell her boyfriend what she said about him? I don't blame him. I don't blame him for not telling Jemiah.

[Courtney Nicole]

Yeah. I personally wouldn't. And with Jemiah having told him the previous day, like, what she had gone through, I'm sure he's trying to take what Asha's saying with like a grain of salt, but he did the right thing. Like, he's still looking out for her. He still listened to her. He put a jacket around her shoulders and told her, just, you know, go on home, watch her walk home. I feel like at this point, I mean, like you said, Hindsight is 20 20. If they knew what was going to happen, I'm sure things would have played out differently. But at this point, I feel like, you know, he just does not know what to do, as does everyone in the situation. Nobody's dealt with this before here, and it's just scary.

[Sarah Turney]

Yeah. I mean, if they can't hold her under a 5150, I mean, what chance does Eddie have, right, the neighbor, of holding her? It's just. It's a lose, lose situation.

[Courtney Nicole]

They headed south on the Pacific Coast Highway. Sally suggested they stop for breakfast. Since Asha was a ritualistic coffee drinker, Jemeis hoped a morning meal might encourage her to eat. They got a table at an old school American diner attached to a hotel called the Rollerville Cafe. Asha sat there silently while the waitress chatted with Sally. Then an Alaskan fisherman came up to their table and told them stories about fishing in the Arctic. Asha started to laugh hysterically. But this wasn't her usual laugh. It was bizarre and unsettling, like she was laughing and crying at the same time. After the meal, Sally asked the waitress to point her toward the restroom. It was out back, so Sally headed out the side door of the restaurant. As Sally left, Asha said she was going too. Jahmaia repeated loudly that Asha was following Sally to the bathroom, hoping Sally would hear him and watch over asha. But around 11am Asha walked out the side door of the Rollerville Cafe. And that was the last time a loved one saw her alive.

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[Sarah Turney]

It's Monday, September 21, 2015 around 11am Asha has just followed Sally to the bathroom at the Rollerville Cafe, so Jemiah goes to wait in the car. He thinks of Eddie in the street telling him not to let Asha out of his sight, so he gets back out and goes to check on her. As he does, Sally returns to the car thinking Asha's with Jemai. Sally never saw Asha follow her, and when they check the bathroom, she's not there.

[Courtney Nicole]

Jemai and Sally spend the first three hours of Asha's disappearance searching for her in nearby rooms, roads, fields and forests. When they can't find her by 2pm they head home, hoping she hitchhiked up the Pacific coast highway back to her house, but she's not there. While Sally stays in Albion to keep an eye out for Asha's return, Jemeis drives back south to keep searching the area around the diner. As he's on the road, Jemeis calls 911 and reports Asha missing. He walks the area between the cafe and the coast, calling out Asha's name. While doing so, he notices a Mendocino county sheriff also searching. That same day, someone finds a gray jacket believed to be Asha's on a trail leading up to the cliffs of the Point Arena Lighthouse, about three miles from the cafe. We're not sure if this was the same jacket Eddie had lent her earlier or if it was Asha's, but Asha's friends said she didn't have a jacket with her at the cafe that morning. Meanwhile, Jemeis spends two more hours looking for her, but he still can't find his girlfriend. So around 5:30pm he goes home to check in with Sally. It occurs to them to use the Find My iPhone app to locate Asha's phone and it actually pings nearby, but they can't find it right away. But two days later, Jemai finally finds her phone under the foliage in their lawn. He thinks she must have dropped it in the night or the morning before she disappeared. However, there were conflicting accounts about this. Some witnesses reported seeing her on a phone near the Lighthouse Point resort shortly after she was last seen at the cafe. Others said she left it at the cafe. These competing statements are a big reason why Asha's case is so hard to piece together.

[Sarah Turney]

Well, we do know that after Asha's disappearance, Jemimae makes flyers and places them up and down the Pacific Coast Highway. Friends start to offer to help. And on Wednesday, September 23, two days after Asha's disappearance, her mother Jeannie arrives from Australia. On Thursday, September 24, three days after Asha's disappearance, Etti finally tells Jamiah about Asha's appearance on his property the morning she vanished and all the disturbing things she said. Jemiah shares this information with Jeannie and her sister Chauncey too. But Jeanie has a different theory about this. She thinks Jemeis was abusive in his relationship with Asha and that his mention of abuse at someone else's hands was just an attempt to deflect responsibility. Moreover, Jeanie doesn't think Jemeis taking Asha's disappearance or mental health issues seriously. In fact, she's suspicious he might have played a role in it, even though the sheriffs clear Jemeis, saying they don't consider him a person of interest.

[Courtney Nicole]

I think I might be a little bit biased, but I think it's totally normal for families to place blame, even in situations like this where Jemiah was ruled out as a suspect. As someone whose own family was affected by a violent crime, it's natural to try and understand the situation by any means possible when honestly, nothing about it makes sense. Like when it's completely out of the blue like this. And if her family lived super far away, they don't know what was going on in Asha's everyday life with the people she surrounded herself with. And since it kind of seems like she just vanished into thin air, it's confusing. And sometimes that confusion can translate into placing blame. So I don't think this is totally unnatural or like, out there in any way, even though I'm sure for Jemeis it doesn't feel great.

[Sarah Turney]

Yeah, like, obviously I feel for Jemai Right. But I can see where her mom's coming from. I mean, Asha moved up there with this man that they've been dating for a while. She supposedly, according to him, has this mental health crisis, and then she's just gone. Right. I mean, she's just getting into this situation. So I think questioning everything is really natural.

[Courtney Nicole]

Yes. Especially with the context of what we have, like, what we do know leading up to her disappearance. I mean, her family seems to be aware that Asha, you know, both sides of her family does struggle with mental illness. So they are aware of that and they're like, understanding with that. In this case specifically, with Asha never having experienced these episodes before, I'm sure they're only hearing, like, what she's saying, these kind of alarming accusations. And I mean, that's kind of like her last words. I feel like they're listening to that and kind of just rolling with it. And like you said, they're just being submerged in this. Like, this is new for them. Jemiah has been dealing with it, you know, for at least a few days at this point, you know, blaming him. I think it's just a way of trying to, like, take control of a situation where there is no control. Like, at this point, there's no answers, and they're just trying to understand the situation as best as they can.

[Sarah Turney]

Yeah, I mean, I think you hit the nail on the head with that one, Courtney. I mean, what does a mom do when you come find out that your daughter's missing? Right. I think it's just second nature to question everything.

[Courtney Nicole]

The Mendocino County Sheriff's office conducts a ground search and scours nearby beaches and the ocean, but they don't find Asha. And there's no camera footage of her anywhere after she disappeared. But as the weeks go by, people start to report sightings. In early October, Jeannie organizes a land search with local organizations. During that search, the woman who runs a nearby lighthouse gift shop says she's pretty sure Asha came in the morning she disappeared. It doesn't offer much, but it is a lead. Genie also speaks to a witness who claims to have seen Asha at 3.30pm the same day at a supermarket in Gualala, 16 miles south of Point Arena. She thinks Asha was getting into an old green car that had four surfboards on top, driven by a sandy haired man, possibly a few years older than her. Though some of the sources said Jemiah received the tip and the caller said she saw Asha four days after she went missing, not the day of. When searchers visit the supermarket and show its employees pictures of Asha. They say she looks familiar, but they can't confirm 100% that they saw her. So while the two sightings start to form a compelling story, it's not much to work off of. Still, the sheriff's office considers a couple of theories viable. The first is that Asha is no longer alive. They suspect she may have drowned in the ocean or jumped or fell from a cliff, mainly due to the location of where the jacket was found leading up to the cliffs. But the second, more commonly held belief is that Asha was driven away from the restaurant by a stranger. This could have been an involuntary abduction, a voluntary decision to walk away from life, or out of confusion during a mental health crisis. While Internet speculators have pointed at Jemeis, the sheriff's office questioned him and doesn't consider him a person of interest. In fact, they don't have any persons of interest. The case has since gone cold, but the sheriff's office still hopes that someone will bring in new information to warm the case back up.

[Sarah Turney]

Janie still travels to California to look for Asha every opportunity she gets. She distributes flyers and talks to strangers who hoping someone can help solve her daughter's case. Which is what she was doing in 2017, two years after Asha's disappearance, when she was introduced to someone who wanted to help. Jeannie was hanging posters in Garberville, 80 miles north of Asha's home in Albion. There, she met a documentarian who was filming a Netflix show about missing people. He asked to include Asha in the series Murder Mountain because they believe she might still be alive and working for the marijuana black market. Market. Jeannie didn't think it was likely, but took the opportunity to get exposure for her daughter's case. And the sheriff's office agrees with the unlikeliness of that. Jemeis, on the other hand, did an interview with the Thin Air podcast back in 2017, and he said he believes Asha's working on a marijuana farm out in Mendocino, based on a few sightings he received.

[Courtney Nicole]

If that is the case, Asha still hasn't been located. But there's another strange detail about the case that I find interesting. On Saturday, September 1, 2018, three years after Asha's disappearance, the neighbor Eddie also went missing. He was 52 years old at the time and was last seen after someone dropped him off at the Albion store. He was supposedly heading to Fort Bragg. But we don't know if this was related to Asha's case.

[Sarah Turney]

What we do know is that in September 2015, Asha returned from a trip to Los Angeles. She was visiting her sister Jaunsy, whose birthday they were celebrating. When she got home, she seemed to reflect a lot on the past and her regrets. She acted melancholy, which was out of character. Asha expected visitors in the coming days, including a friend of her sister's and a childhood friend from Australia. She couldn't seem clean enough to feel good about hosting them. From there, her out of character behavior escalated. One night after a childhood friend arrived. They looked at old photos together, including one of a house that brought back a terrible memory. Asha claimed she'd been sexually assaulted as a child. After that, Asha barely ate or spoke. When she did, she expressed thoughts of suicide, among other concerning things her boyfriend tried to get her help. She was put on a brief suicide hold but was released. When her boyfriend and childhood friend tried to help her themselves. She just kept running away. Then on the morning of Monday, September 21, 2015, they went on a drive down the coast. They stopped at a diner for breakfast. Asha said she was going to the detached bathroom and left the restaurant out of the side door and she never came back. Her mom, Jeannie is still looking for her to this day, and if Asha is out there somewhere, her family wants nothing more than for her to come home.

[Courtney Nicole]

Asha Kramer will be about 37 years old as of this recording. She is biracial, black and white with brown hair and brown eyes, standing about 5 foot 10. Asha usually weighs between 135 and 148 pounds. She has a tattoo of a red triangle on her right wrist, a gap between her front teeth and a birthmark under her left breast. Asha speaks with a strong Australian accent. If you have any information about Asha Kramer, you can visit the Help Find Asha Kramer Facebook page or contact the Mendocino County Sheriff's office at 707-463-4611 and reference case number 2015-2867.

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