Amanda Nelson Returns for Supreme Court Week

Summary

The Find Out Podcast

Episode: Amanda Nelson Returns for Supreme Court Week
Date: July 3, 2026
Host: Tim, Rich, Zach, Luke (Find Out Media & Studio71)
Special Guest: Amanda Nelson (@amandasmildtakes)

Episode Overview

This episode centers on a candid, irreverent, and often hilarious discussion of the Supreme Court’s recent major rulings, especially around birthright citizenship. The hosts and returning guest Amanda Nelson dissect the constitutional interpretations, the political fallout, and the general state of American politics in Trump’s second term. Sprinkled with sharp commentary on MAGA absurdities, Democratic messaging woes, and the launch of Amanda’s new podcast, the episode offers real talk for a left-leaning but diverse audience.

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. Supreme Court’s Birthright Citizenship Ruling

• Summary:
  The episode opens with the hosts and Amanda digging into the Supreme Court’s 6-3 (or “5.5-3.5”) decision upholding birthright citizenship under the 14th Amendment. While initially celebrated as a win, the nuances—including Justice Kavanaugh’s partial concurrence—left Amanda pessimistic about long-term protections.
• Key Quotes:
  • “It’s difficult to be originalist with an amendment, because an amendment by definition is anti-originalist... impossible.” — Amanda (03:04)
  • “The plain language of the text is very clear. They're gonna run it back and then God knows what happened.” — Amanda (03:53)
• Timestamps:
  • [02:00]–[07:00]: Details and reactions to the ruling
  • [07:27]: Reading and dissecting right-wing reactions (“Matt Walsh... Amy Coney Barrett DEI hire”)
• Notable Moments:
  • Amanda emphasizes the threat posed by activist justices and congressional attempts to chip away at rights via statute.
  • Right-wing commentator responses lampooned for racism and feverish dystopian predictions.

2. Reaction from the Right

• Summary:
  The podcast shares and mocks responses from Matt Walsh, Liz Wheeler, Stephen Miller, and Federalist head Sean Davis, highlighting the xenophobic and conspiratorial tone of MAGA reactionaries.
• Key Quotes:
  • “Repealing birthright citizenship needs to become the new Roe vs. Wade project of the right.” — Tim, quoting Liz Wheeler (08:21)
  • "Sean Davis said... require sterilization of all foreign visitors prior to entry." — Tim (09:31)
  • “[Birthright citizenship means] the children of illegal aliens can vote to tax your children and seize their inheritance.” — Tim, quoting Stephen Miller (08:47)
• Timestamps:
  • [07:27]–[10:12]: Reading, discussing, and laughing at these outlandish takes

3. Political and Electoral Ramifications

• Summary:
  The team analyzes if and how the GOP or right-wing media will make birthright citizenship a campaign issue, agreeing that while the issue will fuel culture-war activism, mainstream Republicans may avoid highlighting it.
• Quotes:
  • “Trying to start a third party is dumb... stay in your party and take it over. That's what you... that's what the Tea Party did. Give it a go.” — Amanda (17:41)
  • “The schism isn't going to last. Once Trump's dead, they're going to come right back together.” — Zach (18:19)
• Timestamps:
  • [10:18]–[13:21]: Potential midterm/convention impacts
  • [17:35]–[19:16]: GOP divisions, possibility of a right-wing third party

4. Supreme Court’s Other Major Rulings

• Summary:
  The hosts briefly address two additional SCOTUS decisions:
  1. Upholding state bans on trans athletes—criticized as pandering to a fringe issue affecting almost no one.
  2. Loosening restrictions on money in politics—bemoaned as further entrenching the influence of big donors, with the DNC at a disadvantage.
• Quotes:
  • “There are more bans on trans athletes than there are trans athletes.” — Tim (23:33)
  • “We want to get money out of politics... the Supreme Court just said, ‘How about some more, guys?’” — Tim (21:05)
  • "It's bad for us... the DNC has $18 million on hand and the RNC has $125 million." — Amanda (28:07)
• Timestamps:
  • [20:07]–[26:57]: Trans athlete ban and real-world context
  • [28:07]–[33:10]: Money in politics, DNC vs. RNC fundraising gaps

5. Left-Wing Messaging, Infighting, and Organizing Challenges

• Summary:
  The panel debates the left’s chronic lack of unified messaging and the difficulty of balancing ideological diversity with electoral necessity. They groan at uninspired Democratic social media posts and lament the left’s tendency for public infighting—even against their own.
• Quotes:
  • “The right coordinates their fucking message... The left is saying this, then they're saying that... Shut the fuck up. Just pick a fucking line and say it.” — Zach (34:43)
  • "We are in an existential crisis here, and we still got these purity tests going. It's fucking madness." — Tim (36:35)
  • "Those people are cops. You're no better than a cop... you're policing everyone's thoughts." — Amanda (38:46)
• Timestamps:
  • [33:04]–[38:46]: Democratic messaging, purity tests, circular firing squads, Gaza activism

6. Humor, History, and Digressions

• Summary:
  In classic Find Out style, serious analysis is punctuated with irreverent, sometimes savage humor—about politicians’ mistresses, historical figures’ sex lives, and imagined Founding Father TikToks. The show closes with a lighthearted game: which presidents would make the best (or worst) online influencers.
• Notable Quotes:
  • "His mistress is the exact level of attractiveness that he deserves." — Amanda, on Ken Paxton (11:25)
  • "Hamilton would be the worst influencer we've ever met... 100 videos a day... all drivel." — Tim (40:16)
  • "Franklin—A little bit slutty, kind of edgy. Loved a hat." — Amanda (40:35)
• Timestamps:
  • [11:18]–[12:56]: Ken Paxton’s scandals
  • [39:41]–[44:49]: Founding fathers and presidents as influencers

7. Amanda’s New Podcast: Executive Dysfunction

• Launch:
  • "My show comes out tomorrow... It's called Executive Dysfunction. That's exactly what it sounds like—a giant penis joke." — Amanda (45:11)
• Theme:
  • Deep dive into historical American leadership blunders—how 'giant dummies' have always been in charge.
  • First episode covers Bush v. Gore; subsequent episodes tackle voter suppression, polarization, corruption, and class war.
• Quote:
  • "Your team has killed themselves to make this for me, so thanks for that." — Amanda (45:44)
• Timestamps:
  • [45:02]–[46:43]: Amanda pitches the show; hosts compare notes on the podcasting process

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Memorable Moments & Best Quotes

• On right-wing rhetoric:
  • “One million Chinese communists will soon be eligible U.S. voters.” — Tim, quoting Liz Wheeler (08:19)
• On Democratic purity tests:
  • "We eat each other alive... existential crisis here, and we still got these purity tests." — Tim (36:35)
• On Founding Fathers as influencers:
  • “Franklin—A little bit slutty, kind of edgy. Loved a hat.” — Amanda (40:35)
  • “Hamilton would be the worst influencer... 100 videos a day, all of them drivel.” — Tim (40:16)
• On campaign finance shifts:
  • “It's bad for us... the DNC has $18 million on hand and the RNC has $125 million.” — Amanda (28:07)
• On progressives’ nature:
  • “Progressives are not compliant people, by almost definition. There are too many paths towards progress... There's only one path backwards.” — Amanda (34:57)

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Important Timestamps

• [02:00] – [07:00]: Deep dive into birthright citizenship decision
• [07:27] – [10:12]: Right-wing media reactions
• [11:18] – [12:56]: Ken Paxton’s personal drama
• [20:07] – [26:57]: SCOTUS trans sports ruling and real context
• [28:07] – [33:10]: New campaign finance landscape, DNC money woes
• [33:04] – [38:46]: Messaging discipline and left-wing infighting
• [39:41] – [44:49]: Founding Fathers/presidents as online influencers (funny history tangent)
• [45:02] – [46:43]: Amanda pitches Executive Dysfunction

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Amanda’s Podcast Launch

Executive Dysfunction

• Premise: American leadership failures and historical blunders, with Amanda’s signature humor and incisive research.
• First episode ("Bush v. Gore"): Out now (as of July 4th)
• Where to Subscribe: All major podcast platforms, Find Out Media YouTube, and the Find Out Media Substack.

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Final Takeaways

• The Supreme Court's narrow defense of birthright citizenship offers relief but no guarantee of future victories, with activists and donors ready to continue their slow grind on constitutional rights.
• The right remains ruthlessly coordinated in message, while the left—by temperament and design—struggles with public unity but excels in diversity of thought.
• Amanda Nelson’s Executive Dysfunction debuts—bringing deep context and biting humor to the worst moments in American executive history.
• To support the Find Out Media ecosystem and independent podcasting, consider joining via YouTube, Substack, or Patreon.

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“We are in an existential crisis here, and we still got these purity tests going. It's fucking madness.” — Tim (36:35)

“Franklin—A little bit slutty, kind of edgy. Loved a hat, like. I would have followed Franklin into war.” — Amanda (40:35)

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End of Summary

Transcript

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[Tim]

Hey, everybody. Welcome back to the Find out podcast. So we now have Tim, Rich, Zach and Luke. And we have a very special guest who is part of the Find Out Media family and has been on the show once before, maybe one of our first return guests ever. Hey, Amanda. You know her as Amanda's mild takes. How are you today?

[Rich]

Is she still considered a very special guest?

[Tim]

I don't know.

[Rich]

She's like a, a regular special guest. Yeah.

[Tim]

We don't really have to butter her up anymore. She's part of the.

[Amanda]

No, you've got me. I'm here.

[Tim]

Oh, God. Amanda's here. All right.

[Amanda]

Supreme.

[Rich]

Well, when was the last time. Right. That you were on. Right. It was the, after the, I think the national injunction, the universal injunction case.

[Amanda]

I believe you.

[Tim]

Oh, so it's been that long.

[Amanda]

Okay.

[Tim]

I have no memory.

[Rich]

It was like July.

[Tim]

3 million of these shows so far. I can't keep them all track. But, Amanda, we wanted you on one because we obviously want to talk about all these Supreme Court cases, which some are very, very good and most are very bad. But and then also we want to talk about your show that you are launching on July 4th. But we're going to tease that we're going to start off with the, the Supreme Court cases. So yesterday, I think was the final day of this, of the session for Supreme Court. So they can't hurt us anymore that it's over October. But I do want, I want to talk about the big one first, which is the good one, which is both a good and bad thing that the Supreme Court ruled six to three or as some people have been saying, five and a half to three and a half in support of birthright citizenship, which if you don't haven't read that section of the Constitution, it is about the clearest thing.

[Rich]

Yeah.

[Tim]

That you can read in the Constitution. And the supreme court. There were three dissenting. One of them, Thomas, wrote a 91 page dissent.

[Rich]

Oh, he wrote a 91 page.

[Tim]

Yeah, he's got the pro plan, so he just fired that up. And, you know, these people who are. Call themselves either constructionists or originalists or whatever, all of a sudden want to interpret what the Founding Fathers meant, which I found to be quite interesting because we have said that about guns and we have said that about other things. And they go, no, no, no. So, Amanda, I'm going to start with you as our guest. What did you think of that ruling yesterday?

[Amanda]

Well, first of all, it's difficult to be originalist with an amendment because an amendment by definition is anti orig. It wasn't written by the Founding Fathers. I didn't ask if I could curse on this, but I'm going to.

[Tim]

No, you can't.

[Rich]

And the Second Amendment is also an amendment of approval.

[Amanda]

Here is very nice. Yeah, it's impossible to be originalist with an amendment.

[Zach]

The.

[Amanda]

The. The 14th Amendment was a reconstruction amendment written 100 years after most of the founders had died. So whatever. Anyway, it's. I'm actually a little bit more pessimistic about the ruling than I think you are. Kavanaugh's half dissent, half concurrence was an open door for Congress to try to overturn birthright citizenship or chip away at it with statute instead of a constitutional amendment. So that's immediately what they're going to start to try to do. It's too close. 5, 4. For something like this. The plain language of the text is very clear. They're gonna, they're gonna run it back and then God knows what happened.

[Rich]

This is something I was looking at this morning, though, is five justices. A majority of justices concurred with the majority opinion authored by the Chief justice that did rule on constitutional grounds that, like, they didn't just strike this down on statute and say, well, no, the EO is illegal, or they need to word it differently. They went from the bottoms up and they said, no, the 14th Amendment says what we think it says. And it's in line with the ina where Kavanaugh ruled. He ruled based on the ina, which is a narrower approach. But that's also something that's common with the Supreme Court, is they usually opt for the narrower approach versus the big sweeping approach. In this case, they didn't. And from what I can tell in this term, and really like in John Roberts term, this is one of the truest defenses of the Constitution, because amendments are technically part of the Constitution that I've seen from them. To actually go and say this is a constitutional Grounded case here is our decision. And it's because this is what the 14th amendment says. So I don't know if a congressional, if a new law would even be worth it because they still have a 5, 4 majority and the two people who are most likely to retire are part of the four. So, you know, the five who voted

[Amanda]

in support Alito is going to be gone by the end of the week and they're going to replace them with someone who's going to rule the same way Alito would have.

[Rich]

So it's a wash. But the five who voted along with the majority opinion, who concurred with the majority opinion, they're all like, I'd actually ran. The average age is 63. So we're, I think we're pretty good for a while unless we have an unexpected death or something really awful.

[Tim]

Well, before we get into. I want to read the section. It's very short because if people haven't seen it, I want to read it because I think when you hear it, it's just so clear. There's, there's no interpretation here. So here we go. All persons born or naturalized in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof are citizens of the United States and the state wherein they reside. Like we had four, three and a half Supreme Court justices that went, oh, that's not what that means. I don't know how you could, like how they could make that determination because it literally just says the words like there's, there's nothing in it that you could even hang your hat on.

[Amanda]

Here, here.

[Rich]

And subject to the jurisdiction.

[Amanda]

Jurisdiction. Yeah.

[Tim]

Oh, that. What? Yeah, but like when you have a baby in a jurisdiction, you are subject up to that jurisdiction.

[Amanda]

Unless you're a diplomat. Yeah, right.

[Rich]

Yeah, but, but that's it. It's. They use too many damn commas when they wrote the. It's like the Second Amendment. How many commas are in a row are in the second Amendment? It's very difficult to understand how the clauses relate to each other. And they're exploiting that. Of course, they, they do it in the worst faith way with the second Amendment. They do it in from a maga pers. They do it in the best faith way with the 14th Amendment. But I think what it's actually saying, and it's, I think pretty clear is that when you are born here, you are subject to our jurisdiction, therefore you are a citizen. And these clauses go together. They're saying that the jurisdiction is a condition of being born. So like, oh, well, you have to also be Subject to our jurisdiction, which is some. It's some real mental gymnastics that even Coney Barrett and Kavanaugh couldn't get in line with.

[Tim]

I. I've got some statements here from some right wing creators.

[Amanda]

Oh my favorite.

[Tim]

Their responses to this case.

[Rich]

There's no way this goes poorly.

[Tim]

We're going to start with everyone's favorite racist, Matt Walsh favorite, and that he is the worst. It turns out that Amy Coney Barrett, who is one of the five, is a DEI hire a little better than Conjunction Ketanji Jackson. So we're just going to go racist there. And then he said terrible pick. When was the last time we had a Republican president who didn't put a liberal justice on the court? It she's not a liberal anyways. Okay, here's another one from a woman named Liz Wheeler. I'm only going to read the first line because it's very long. And now that Twitter allows unlimited characters, it becomes insufferable. One million Chinese communists will soon be eligible US voters. That's what she said in relation to this.

[Zach]

Cool.

[Tim]

Repealing birthright citizenship needs to become the new Roe vs. Wade project of the right. Only select justices who will strike down birthright citizenship, which means they will just ignore the Constitution. And then everyone's favorite Cretan, Stephen Miller. Birthright citizenship means the children of illegal aliens can vote to tax your children and seize their inheritance. So they are all handling this very well for something that just continues the status quo.

[Amanda]

Stephen Miller went on I don't remember what it was last night, some new show and said that we are going to start inspecting women as they come across the border and not allowing pregnant women into the country.

[Zach]

Oh, great.

[Tim]

Jesus Christ. How are they going to do that?

[Amanda]

I think you can probably guess.

[Rich]

But I mean they don't let them across the border anyway. Why would they? Anybody.

[Tim]

The biggest proponents, they're like, oh, you're a virgin.

[Amanda]

Series of Birthright.

[Tim]

Save the children Russians.

[Zach]

Yeah. I mean this is like. So there's this guy, Sean Davis, I don't know if you know the Federalist.

[Tim]

Oh, he is a tremendous piece of shit. The head of the Federalist.

[Zach]

He said you should deny entry to all female foreigners and require sterilization of of all foreign visitors prior to entry. It's a great suggestion.

[Tim]

Yep, I saw that. He is, yeah, head of the Federalist, everybody. So he's a real sane one.

[Rich]

But we're under babied.

[Tim]

Right, Right. That's the other thing. Right. We aren't producing enough children, but we don't Want people to have children here and then become citizens here.

[Zach]

Right.

[Tim]

Which is obviously cool code for we are not having enough. What type of babies?

[Rich]

Clean white, Christian babies.

[Zach]

Yes.

[Tim]

Blonde hair, blue eyes. Where have we heard that before?

[Amanda]

I mean, American South.

[Tim]

Yeah, I was. I was.

[Amanda]

Yeah, I know what you were saying.

[Tim]

I know. I know. I. But, like, how is this an electoral. How is this beneficial for them? Because I understand that, like, immigration is a big issue for them, but now they're just going to, like, be screaming about this in the fall. Like, is Susan Collins going to have to, like, talk about birthright citizenship while she's trying to defeat Graham Platner? Like, a lot of the things that I've seen from Republicans over the last few weeks, if I was, like, Susan Collins or the guy running against Roy Cooper in North Carolina, I would be furious because they are torpedoing or making it much harder for them to win. Including this. Did you see this? They're going to have a midterm convention in Dallas.

[Amanda]

Did I. I think this is Texas for that. I wonder.

[Zach]

Yeah.

[Rich]

Ken Paxton's not allowed to leave the state, so.

[Tim]

Actually, Ken Paxton has left the state. He just went to Iceland with his mistress. And by the way, he is still married, Mr. Family Values. And he's the one that calls Talrico, like, a vegan and trans. Low tea.

[Amanda]

Can I just to be mean for a second?

[Tim]

Of course.

[Amanda]

His mistress is the exact level of attractiveness that he deserves.

[Zach]

I haven't seen her. I want to take a look at this. Let's see.

[Amanda]

Like, you know, you go on vacation sometimes, and you're like, that lady's an eight and her husband is a four. And why is that happening? This is. This is tutus that are. Yep, that's. That's correct. That's a correct pairing. His wife is cute. His mistress is.

[Tim]

Is this the same mistress he's had the entire time, or is this a new mistress?

[Amanda]

Because she's the same one. She's the mistress that, like, when he got served divorce papers, he, like, hid in his neighbor's house. He broke into his neighbor's house.

[Tim]

Why doesn't he want to get served? Oh, well, yeah. What a delight that guy is. Okay, well, let's go back. Let's go back because there's some other bad cases.

[Amanda]

Right.

[Rich]

But I wanted to quit. I wanted. I wanted to hear Amanda's response to that, because you asked if. Or we were talking about, like, is this going to be a midterm issue? I think this is going to be a Spencer Pratt issue. Which you guys remember Spencer Pratt?

[Tim]

Yes.

[Rich]

He was relevant two weeks ago. He was the most important thing to Donald Trump. And now he's about as important as Ivana. And so. Which means he might end up buried at the Mar A Lago. Sorry, that was, that was a dark joke. I apologize to our listeners.

[Zach]

No need to apologize for that.

[Rich]

I think that this is going away. I think they are going to let this die because they know unless you're flipping one of those five justices like you, everything is DOA if they try to write a law. They specifically said, like all laws, all executive orders, this is a constitutional issue. So even if they try to overturn ina, that still doesn't hold up. They could overturn ina. They could. They would have to either reverse this case or amend the Constitution. And this, this court obviously isn't going to revisit that whole thing. And they definitely don't have room to get an amendment.

[Amanda]

I don't think it's going to be an issue for the midterms in as much as, like, no one on the right is going to run on it in the same way that in the middle of trying to get Roe overturned 20 years ago, the right was not really running on that. I think they'll turn it into a cultural battle that will take a couple decades for them to circle back around. But I don't think it's, I don't think it's wise to underestimate how much the donors especially and the activist wing of the right want this to happen. Yeah, and they will. They're all dog on a bone it, just like they did, you know, row for decades. I'll be dead and they'll still be.

[Rich]

And I want to, I want to push on that. And, and I, I don't want to put you on the spot if you don't have a strong opinion on this, Amanda, but I have a strong opinion about everything. I, I know. Even when it's unfounded. I'm like, why is my opinion so strong? But I do see people in the comments, they say things like, well, you know, they said Roe v. Wade was the law of the land. How, how is this different from Roe v. Wade? And, and is it, or, or should we continue to be paranoid about birthright citizenship as we were paranoid about justifiably paranoid about abortion rights for 50 years?

[Amanda]

It's, I mean, Dobbs, the Dobbs decision was part of a larger project of undermining the 14th Amendment, not on birthright citizenship, but on right to privacy and things like that. So it's it's part and parcel of that same attack on the Reconstruction amendments in general. I don't think that it's as easy an argument to make to the Supreme Court obviously because they just lost the, the Roe vs. Wade decision. The initial one was always a little shaky. Like there's no clear right to privacy in the Constitution. There just isn't. The court constructed it out of a couple right.

[Rich]

They stitched it together and equal protection is like does this include health care and does it include an unborn baby? And like there's, there's a lot more mess and there's no direct right to an abortion in the Constitution. Whereas there obviously is with birthright.

[Amanda]

Yes. But the, the like scholarship that they're using to justify the like subject to the jurisdiction thereof argument has only emerged in the last year. Like that they're making shit up as they go. So I think they'll need more time for that debate and for the Overton window on that to shift. But no, I don't think it's safe.

[Tim]

I have one question though on this. I don't really know what the answer is but like I feel like this might be one of those that could split the sort of donors and the mega donors and the activists because the mega donors, a lot of them rely on cheap labor and to make their billions of dollars. And I do like it's why it's interesting. I have seen more of the sort of keyboard warriors that I just read, you know, foaming at the mouth over this compared to you know, senators or representatives doing a like big. I mean I ran Paul was like this is outrageous. I'm like okay, you are from a very racist family. So this isn't surprised me whose dad used to actually write a racist right wing newsletter in the 90s.

[Amanda]

I don't know if anything he's just gonna get beat up by his neighbor again.

[Zach]

Whatever.

[Tim]

Yeah. For being an right like every. Anyways, so but that, that's the, that's the sort of schism I and it sort of plays into that conversation we had on Tuesday with this guy never woke which I mean I don't even know if you saw but like we talked to this guy who left Baga over corruption and Epstein and the Iran war. But like let's be honest guys, he's going further right. I don't think he's going to vote for Democrats in the fall. But like I'm curious how this plays into the Tucker Carlson and Marjorie Taylor Greene splitting off from the Republican Party. And like is there Going to be two conservative parties in this country. Because I could see where Tucker and those guys play up, play up the, you know, the birthright citizenship stuff. But the sort of mainline Republicans who are just the ones that want money are like, let's get beyond this because this is not, you know, this is not working for us. I don't know. I don't know what you guys think about that. Stump you all.

[Zach]

I'm waiting to respond to someone.

[Rich]

Yeah, I went, I went in another direction, but Amanda, go ahead.

[Amanda]

Trying to start a third party is dumb. This is not a country where third amen will never work. It's dumb.

[Tim]

Will not work.

[Amanda]

Stay in your party and take it over. That's what you. That's what the Tea Party did. Give it a go. Good luck. So Marjorie Taylor Greene is going to struggle with that, but, you know, I'd like to see her try.

[Tim]

I just want a separate two parties so that they eat each other alive. I don't care if it works. Tucker, I don't know if he's like looking to be president. I think he's just looking to be famous and make more money and then I don't really care about that. Or Marjorie Taylor Greene wants the big money. I don't know. I don't know.

[Amanda]

Marjorie Taylor Greene wants a Senate seat.

[Zach]

Yeah.

[Tim]

Yeah. Well, she ain't getting that.

[Zach]

Don't get one. She's too stupid. But I mean, it's, it's also like. I don't know, I just. The schism isn't going to last. That's the other piece of it. Like, once Trump's dead, they're going to come right back together. Like, they don't give a dead politically or physically. You know, it's just the second that it's not Trump on top, they'll go, that was weird. And they'll just come right back here. They're doing all the shit they've been doing. So, like, it'll. As much as I'd love for that to be a tactic, it just, I don't know, I don't see it. They're too good staying together.

[Rich]

I was gonna say. I was gonna say, Tim, you just made a really good case, I think, inadvertently for ranked choice voting. Because if we can get, if we can get the right on board with ranked choice voting and getting rid of winner take all states, we wouldn't even need to get rid of the college. If you want to choose Tucker Carlson as your number one and Nick Fuentes as your number two, and then a safe choice as your number three. You can do that with ranked choice voting. Like, let's go.

[Tim]

I'm all for it. I'm all for it, though. I know that the Republican running in Maine for governor wants to get. Because Maine has ranked choice. He wants to get rid of it because it takes too long. It's like five days. Oh, no.

[Rich]

They might have to count mail in ballots late.

[Amanda]

Well, the Supreme Court just told them they were allowed to.

[Rich]

You got two months to count your ballots until the next people are sworn in. So, like, I think the stars are aligning. Me and Tucker are going to have a ranked choice voting podcast come November.

[Amanda]

I swear to God.

[Tim]

Oh, my God. I will jump off a building.

[Rich]

It'll be like crossfire, except even worse.

[Tim]

We're gonna have to get Jon Stewart back. John Stewart bullied that off a crossfire to begin with. He did. He did. He actually destroyed.

[Rich]

Crossfire was so much better. He ruined. He ruined crossfire. You love that.

[Tim]

Well, let's. Let's look. We got it. We do have to talk about a couple of the other ones. You know, unfortunately, the Supreme Court is allowing states to ban trans kids from playing in sports. You know, really tackling the issue of our time that probably has. Is going to affect a handful of kids, five to tens of people.

[Zach]

Yeah.

[Tim]

Thank God. So crazy spent their time on this. Still a bad decision and ridiculous. But at least the states have control. So you can, you know, pick your blue state. I suppose the other one was they made. They were. They took out even more limits on money in campaigns and elections. And so the spigot has opened even wider, which is the opposite of what everybody essentially wants in this country. And we talk to people all the time and they are all like, we want to get money out of politics. That's the big thing. And the Supreme Court just said, how about some more guys,

[Rich]

Tim, before we get to the. The money, I, The, The. The finance reform, I realized I think I'm the only person who has a daughter in on this panel right now.

[Tim]

I have a daughter. No, Zach, you've met my daughter. He was in his house.

[Rich]

She's not competing in. In.

[Zach]

No, she's five. Not just.

[Rich]

Not applicable just yet. I'm talking. Still speaking. Speaking through the lens. Through the lens of trans girls.

[Zach]

Not a competitive sport age just yet.

[Rich]

Because I thought about this a lot. My daughter is going into eighth grade on her sixth grade team. She was the starting center, which is saying a lot for the sixth grade girls basketball team at her school. And she played against one school the whole season she played against one school that had one trans girl on the team. And the trans girl was, I would say, probably somewhat faster and more athletic than the other girls on the court. And it was noticeable watching. And so I started thinking, this is the first time I personally experienced this in my life. And so I started thinking about it and it's like, there's the fairness question, but like, hormones don't really play a role at the sixth grade level. And by the time they start taking gender affirming treatment, they're really. The hormone issue is still awash. And so this whole, like, you're playing against six foot seven goaded men, you know, LeBron James, you know, it's just not. It's just not a thing. And, and yet, like, when it makes you think about it, when you're, when you experience it personally. And, and it's the first and last time that I've encountered this at all. And so, you know, the place I got is like, is this a thing that exists in some people's heads? Sure. Is this a priority on my list? No. It's the one millionth item that I need to get to. And all of the other things are far more pressing and far more important. So it's like, it's less that they're, for me that they're making a decision on fairness and all this stuff. It's more that they're wasting the Supreme Court's time. We're wasting our precious political capital, our. The oxygen in the room when we're talking about real things. Finding a way to beat up on. I think what is about seven or eight.

[Tim]

There are more bans on trans athletes

[Rich]

than there are trans athletes.

[Zach]

Right?

[Rich]

Exactly. I think in all of NCAA, they did the math. There's like 500,000 women participating in women's NCAA sports. And I believe that it was like seven or eight. And this was from the NCAA director said, like, I think less than 10 trans women were competing. So we can, if you don't have a strong opinion on this, we can just punt. You can just punt on this issue right now because it doesn't fucking matter.

[Tim]

Let me ask.

[Rich]

Leave it alone.

[Tim]

Let me ask you. Did that team having a trans girl on it ruin the experience for any of the kids playing?

[Rich]

No, I made the experience from the trans girl significantly better because not a. I guarantee the only. I didn't hear anybody say anything about anything. To be, to be very clear. I didn't. I was like, this is great personally, but I understand where other people are watching and they're like, I have feelings about this and I don't know what to do with them. All of the girls were like having a great time. And so even though my daughter's. My daughter's team lost, it had nothing to do with them having a trans player. It had to do with it. Nobody could hit the rim. And so on either team, it was like, it was like 13. It was like 13 to 4 or something. Like, this is the unseriousness of their, of their complaints and that's what makes it so difficult. And I was fully prepared if my daughter came home and she was like, hey, like, you know, that girl on the team seems like a boy or. But she didn't. And had she said that, I would have been like, oh, I don't know how she identifies, but she's on the girls team and she played great and you played great and everything is fine. Like, what are we talking about here?

[Tim]

Well, it's just, that's the, that's been. The thing with this is that it's mostly about the kid or. Excuse me, it's about the parents.

[Rich]

The parents. Parents having irrational.

[Tim]

It has nothing to do with the kids. Nothing at all. They don't care. They look at, they look at this and they're like, why do you even give a shit about this? And it's just these culture warriors. Or it's Riley Gaines trying to.

[Rich]

I was going to say, unless you're Find her way.

[Tim]

Find her way to bronze medal. Still ended up in fifth place. You know that like. And she clearly just did it to turn her career into a money making machine on the right. She's just like, yep, I'm going to ride this. You know, fifth place finish, which would have been a fourth place finish, which would have been no different. Anyways, she's really on. She's really on. Yeah. To a Newsmax contract or whatever the. She works for. God, it's just like. But I think that gets lost in this conversation, right? Because we are. What's the right thing to do?

[Rich]

What the.

[Tim]

It's like, ask the kids. Ask the kids.

[Zach]

Yeah.

[Tim]

They all say the same goddamn thing. I don't care. What are you talking about? Doesn't matter. Because when.

[Rich]

Oh, that's great.

[Tim]

Yeah. When you're exposed to different things, you learn to adapt. And when you don't, you don't. And that's how you end up with these MAGA assholes who.

[Rich]

You can see that.

[Tim]

Sorry, go ahead, go ahead.

[Rich]

You can see that Riley Gaines bragged on that podcast about not liking to shower. She was like, I sleep. She said, I sleep in my. And I don't like. And I. And to be honest, I don't like showering and I don't like washing my face.

[Amanda]

Sounds of some, of some variety.

[Tim]

I don't know. Sounds like it.

[Rich]

I mean, there are so many.

[Tim]

Yeah, is that a sensory issue?

[Amanda]

I know. Don't. Don't sleep in it. Ladies.

[Rich]

Look, don't do that.

[Tim]

Don't do that. I'm a guy and I know. Don't do that.

[Rich]

The funniest response was, I understand why she doesn't want to take a shower because every time she gets in the water, she loses.

[Zach]

I'm sure that comment got a million likes.

[Tim]

Oh, my God.

[Rich]

Oh, yeah. Ratioed the post itself. So good.

[Tim]

I'm sure this is also the same person that needs to be fed her core values. When she's about to talk, what do I say?

[Rich]

What are our deeply held beliefs?

[Tim]

Yeah, deeply held beliefs. That's what it was. I mean, these people. But like, people listen to them anyways. If we talk about this more, my head's going to explode. But yes, we do need to talk about money in politics. Like, again, they did remove more limits on money to basically. I don't even know how to describe it, but essentially like less restrictions, which is not what the country as a whole wants. If you talk to Republicans and Democrats, they say the same thing. We want less money in politics and the Republicans are the ones that turn on the spigot. Now, I don't think this is going to help us electorally, but, like, it's just another one of those that's like, so out of touch bad.

[Amanda]

It's bad for us specifically because the ruling now, there was. There were restrictions on how much the parties could coordinate with candidates, and now those restrictions are gone. And right now the DNC has 18 million on hand and the RNC has 125 million on hand. So they have 10 times the war chest that they can now give to their candidates in a way they couldn't before. And we are already at a disadvantage. We have to be at least D +4 in the popular vote to win the midterms, to overcome gerrymandering. And now they've got all that money and we don't. And they're not raising it because everyone in the Democratic Party is mad.

[Zach]

Is that why we're like, why are we so behind? That's crazy that we're like, because no

[Amanda]

one will give money to the dnc. Most people move to Giving directly to candidates.

[Tim]

So, yeah, yeah. So basically. And we've seen some of this too, because we have to fundraise for this business. And after 24, I think all of the major Democratic donors were like, we handed you $2 billion and we went backwards. And so then they closed their wallets. And unfortunately, it was that right at the time that we needed it more than ever to be able to push back on the Trump administration to do the things I don't. I haven't seen a plan for solving this problem, which is a problem for the DNC and as a problem for Ken Martin that they need to fix. And I would love to know how they're going to do it, because right now they haven't done it. But it is a real problem. And the lack. Now that there's no like. So that's basically no independent expenditure and like a wall anymore. Right. They've basically got rid of that.

[Zach]

Great.

[Tim]

It's just bad.

[Rich]

Well, what, what I don't understand. Like, I don't know how to even think or care about this because, like, on one hand we raised like, what, $2 billion for Kamala and we lost. So it's like, what. What does money do? And then you look at what Trump did, and he just ignored everybody. Everybody said he had the worst ground game. He didn't do anything with the rnc. Like, he didn't give a shit about anyone. He just said, shut up and do what I tell you. Shut up and get in line. And then he just had rallies everywhere and had social media and he won. So it's like simultaneously, they can spend hundreds of millions or billions of dollars on influencing people, but are people numb to all political ads at this point? Like, what is that money going to buy? You can't just buy votes.

[Tim]

So I would say that we definitely over index on television ads, and that needs to stop.

[Zach]

Fuck. Yeah.

[Tim]

Don't get rid of the ball.

[Wayfair Announcer]

Yep.

[Tim]

But get rid of a lot of it. But the writers better at least.

[Zach]

Holy terrible.

[Tim]

But also, like, they just, like, as we all know, anybody under 60, when a TV ad comes on, they look at their phone. So it doesn't. It doesn't even work anymore. Right. Like, it's just not. But the right. But the right also has an entire messaging network so that they don't have to do all these things because they're talking to Republicans and independents all the time. Whether it's a clip, whether it's a show, Fox News, whatever it is, they've got that. And obviously we are trying to Build that on the left. But we don't have the same network that they do and the money behind it. And so that is why I think Donald Trump can get away with not doing that. He also did a lot of stuff with influencers and creators. And I'm not saying this is why he won. He did go on Joe Rogan and he went on the Ovon. She definitely should have, and I don't even know why that was a negotiation. She should have flowed down there and done it. She still would have lost, but she should have done it. But he did a bunch of these things. And more and more people, that's how they're getting their nudes. So, like, yeah, going to knock on doors the way that we used to is a. Is proving to be an. Organizers are going to hate me for saying this. It's starting to look like it is broken. Because what I heard from people in Philadelphia was that essentially a bunch of buses in Manhattan were filling up, mostly white people to go to Philadelphia to go to traditionally black, like, neighborhoods, knock on their doors and then the people are like, you only knock on my door when you want something.

[Zach]

Right.

[Tim]

When are you going to help me? So, like, that model doesn't work if you don't have the full ecosystem going and people don't want someone on their door anymore worse than before. I mean, we've all heard stories about. I mean, I've heard of people getting shot doing this, so it's not great. I know one guy in particular.

[Amanda]

I canvas you. You just talk to a bunch of ring cameras at this point.

[Tim]

So then it's like, no one's going

[Amanda]

to yell at you, but you're not going to move a needle, really.

[Tim]

Right. But I think if you're trying to, like, juice turnout with. With communities that you haven't engaged with, it's just like, it's just not. If you're just coming and being like, more, please. They're going to go, oh, I. Why? Why my gas price. Like, I'm not getting anything out of it.

[Zach]

Yeah.

[Tim]

Which is why I think that if I was the dnc, I would frankly be doing a lot of what we do, which is like, building media or

[Rich]

give us money to do.

[Tim]

Or give us the money to do it.

[Rich]

Just give us the money.

[Tim]

We've already proven that we can do it well.

[Amanda]

Right.

[Rich]

Like, we'll do it. You just don't have any opinion. Don't. You don't get to read any of the stuff. You don't get to say the ideas. You don't get to trust us. You give us the money and then we just do it for you.

[Zach]

I wish.

[Amanda]

They need to put that woman in charge who called Stephen Miller an ugly. Just put her in charge of everything.

[Rich]

Just instant promotion.

[Zach]

Yes, 100%.

[Tim]

But that, but we joke about that. That's the stuff, right? Stuff. Not just like, no, these tweets from, like the.

[Rich]

How could it be worse?

[Tim]

Donald Trump has done nothing to lower prices. It's like, yeah, no shit. What are you going to do about it?

[Rich]

Did you see the Democrats? The Democrats. One of the. One of the Democratic accounts yesterday, I think, posted on threads. The way you spell cruel is.

[Tim]

That was the worst one. That was the worst one. That was the worst one I've seen.

[Zach]

They're all pain. But here' here's the thing, though. The biggest problem is not that that is a huge problem, but the biggest problem is that the right coordinates their fucking message. Everybody parrots the same fucking thing over and over and over again. And the left doesn't do it. That's just. That's the bottom fucking line. They have a talking point for every fucking thing. That's a sentence long and they all fucking parrot it like a bunch of assholes. And the left is saying this, then they're saying that and, whoa, we didn't say this right. And you're saying that wrong. Shut the fuck up. Just pick a fucking line and say it. You know, that's the, like, that's the reason they're effective, is because they're all talking the same language and we're talking 10 different languages and nobody can teach the politicians to just get in fucking line and figure out a thing to say.

[Amanda]

That's never going to happen.

[Zach]

I never. I know. They don't have a Trump on our side. Like, no, they're completely.

[Rich]

Why, no, it's because they're compliant. They're compliant little obedient little shits. They're just.

[Zach]

There's a guy going, say it like this.

[Tim]

Yep, Yep.

[Amanda]

FDR tried that. And FDR was actually, I think, a more effective messenger than Trump was. But progressives are not compliant people. By almost definition. There are too many paths towards progress. So we've got 14 different opinions about how we should be behaving. There's only one path backwards. It's so much easier to get conservatives to say one thing.

[Zach]

100.

[Amanda]

We cannot do that. We have to come. I don't. These, these calls for, like, we just need a unified message. We need to all be saying the same shit. It's. We need A different idea, because that's not going to work.

[Rich]

We don't have to do what they do.

[Amanda]

When we do do.

[Rich]

We don't do what they do. We build it from the ground up and let, like, the democratic socialist debate right now. If you want to elect a democratic socialist to represent your. Your district, do that, and then everyone else shut the fuck up and support them. Electing someone who represents them like, this is not a difficult concept. This is a big, diverse country. Let people have their own opinions.

[Tim]

Well, let me give you an example of why this is. This is not only about the politicians. It's, as Amanda said, it's a. It's about our people. And I will give you the example. I'm gonna say his name wrong probably, but this guy, this state assemblyman or state senator in San Francisco, Scott Weiner, I think is his name and who is a. Is a gay man who is going to a Sabbath, I believe, or Shabbat with a trans rabbi. And he got accosted about Gaza at a trans event. And he had already, as a Jewish man, called it a genocide and said, no offensive weapons or maybe no weapons to Israel. And he is getting harassed to the point where he had to leave. This. This is the stuff I am 100% on the Gaza is a genocide and that Benjamin Netanyahu was a war criminal. But, like, they got that guy on their side and they still went after him. And you see these videos, and they're also not just yelling, they're bumping him. Like, they're right there. Like, it is not a good look. And if, if, like, you want people to not think that you're anti Semitism, an anti Semite, you can't do that shit. Like, I'm sorry. Like, I watched the video and it's just horrible. Like, if you want to go after Hakeem Jeffries, you want to go after Nancy Pelosi, who did none of the things that Scott Weiner did, which is like, show some empathy for Gaza, go do that. But, like, we eat each other alive. Like, we are in an existential crisis here, and we still got these purity tests going. It's fucking madness.

[Rich]

How much support do these people in these videos have, though? Because, like, we do have a lot of those people on our side who, like, I mean, nobody does a circular firing squad or eats their own. Like, like the left. But it seems that it's better than it has been in the past, at least since the election, that we're less likely to just immediately jump on, on board with, like, yeah, that person's not pure enough. That person. What was the, what was the broad community response? Were these like, I mean, San Francisco.

[Zach]

Yeah.

[Tim]

No, but I think most people, I think most people looked at that and were like, that's gross.

[Zach]

Yeah, but it's awful if it's, it's used against us. Like, that's right. To paint it as. This is what they're like.

[Tim]

Right. That's my worry. I don't think that those people who did that have like a large following. Yeah, they're a fringe. But the right, because as you said, Zach, they are coordinated. They are going to show that clip every fucking person that they can.

[Zach]

This is a Democrat.

[Tim]

This is a, this is a Democrat. And again, like, this is what, like, I, you know, I certainly can respect the fact that the, that people on the left have done pretty. A remarkable job getting a lot of Americans to understand what Israel is doing in Gaza. But. But we can't do that. No, that is a losing message. That is. And that is how more people will go, well, fuck it, I'm an independent. Or I'm not doing this, like, because you gotta like, he changed his mind on the positions that they wanted and then they went and yelled at him. So why would anybody, why would anyone change their, change their minds if they're going to just get. Keep getting screamed at if they capitulate? Like, it's, it's madness.

[Amanda]

Those people are cops. You're no better than a cop. Like, you're just policing everyone's thoughts.

[Tim]

Like, which is ironic from the people

[Amanda]

that were also a little bit violent. Yeah. I mean, like, ACAB includes you, motherfucker.

[Zach]

Shut up.

[Tim]

Right, right. I mean, they physically touched him. I mean, I know, like, it's, that's assault. Right.

[Amanda]

If this was 1776, they would have charred and feathered him.

[Tim]

Yeah. Or like would had to have a duel. Right.

[Amanda]

We should bring back.

[Tim]

I've been saying it. Dueling should come back. Okay, but dueling, do you get an AR15 or do you get a musket? I don't care.

[Amanda]

Because the people most likely to duel are Republicans and kill each other off. Yeah, pick each other off, babe.

[Tim]

Yeah. Because, I mean, most of those duels back in the day, like, they missed. Right?

[Amanda]

Because they missed on purpose most of the time. Like, dueling pistols were decorative.

[Tim]

Not Aaron Burr.

[Wayfair Announcer]

Nope.

[Tim]

That. Yeah.

[Amanda]

But Hamilton agreed to it because he assumed that that's how it was going to play out.

[Rich]

And you know what?

[Tim]

It all worked out because we had an amazing Broadway show out of it. So it was all. God damn right. Never seen it.

[Rich]

That was all part of his. That was all part of Hamilton's legacy.

[Tim]

He was like, now I could do Lin Manuel. Went back in time, was like, Aaron.

[Rich]

So this is. This is maybe a lot of cash

[Tim]

200 years from now.

[Amanda]

Such propaganda. Hamilton was a piece of.

[Tim]

Oh, yeah, he sucked big time.

[Zach]

I mean, nothing about.

[Rich]

But he wrote so many letters because

[Amanda]

he could not do anything but listen to the sound of his own voice.

[Zach]

Oh, sounds like an influence.

[Amanda]

He wrote the other 51 because he wouldn't let anyone else talk.

[Tim]

Hamilton would be the worst influencer we've ever met. If he lived right now, can you imagine? He would have been 100 videos a day, all of them with like 4, 000 views and all of them just drivel. You know, I had never thought of any of the founding Fathers. Who would be the best influencer?

[Amanda]

Yeah, Franklin.

[Zach]

Oh, yeah. Yeah.

[Amanda]

A little bit slutty, kind of edgy. Loved a hat, like.

[Tim]

Yep, he was a little slutty. Yeah.

[Amanda]

I would have followed Franklin into war.

[Tim]

I don't. I don't know. Would John Adams have been any good? I always liked Adams. No.

[Amanda]

Oh, what a self righteous, obnoxious. I actually, I have a lot affection. Affectionately, hashtag. Absolutely a pain in the ass.

[Rich]

Amanda.

[Tim]

Okay, so expanding past founding fathers, but what president would be the best influencer?

[Zach]

Oh, oh, oh, I know.

[Tim]

Jfk.

[Rich]

Yeah, maybe it would be good.

[Tim]

The. The sailing, the glasses.

[Rich]

Teddy Roosevelt without the race.

[Tim]

Oh, that's true.

[Rich]

Teddy Roosevelt was like. Like Bradley Thor. And I don't know, like, he, like, he had that.

[Tim]

Like, he was like, you got something

[Amanda]

you want to tell us, Rich?

[Rich]

No, he was like a bear.

[Tim]

Oh, it's getting warm in here.

[Rich]

It is a little warm out. He was like a bear with a mustache, and he was all outdoorsy, but he was fairly progressive. Like, I think he could have done really well on the air.

[Tim]

He got shot and kept speaking.

[Amanda]

He did get shot.

[Rich]

So he's basically Trump. He took a bullet for America.

[Tim]

Oh, my God. Damn it.

[Rich]

Damn it.

[Amanda]

Wait.

[Tim]

Okay, so hang on.

[Rich]

Okay, go ahead.

[Tim]

Well, no, we were talking about who do you think would be the best influencer as a president?

[Amanda]

God, I don't know. I don't. Influencer. Reagan.

[Zach]

Interesting.

[Tim]

I honestly could see it. I was gonna say that.

[Rich]

Yeah.

[Amanda]

Yeah.

[Tim]

I mean, that guy's policies were the worst.

[Amanda]

No, terrible. I mean, you're not asking me who's the best president?

[Tim]

No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

[Rich]

I mean, he's an actor. You Know he was an actor.

[Amanda]

Jefferson would have also been really, really, really good at it.

[Rich]

Jefferson was sharp as. I mean, Jeff, I would. Yeah, I like Thomas Jefferson, but

[Amanda]

secret media propaganda ecosystem when he was vice president specifically to undermine John Adams. Like, he would have been very good at this. I have an episode about this in my new podcast that comes out.

[Tim]

You know, you know why I'm. You know why I'm squinting?

[Rich]

I like Thomas Jefferson because he was anti religious. He. He, he made probably. Sure.

[Tim]

And a rapist.

[Zach]

I did not know that.

[Rich]

You could tell me everything.

[Zach]

I don't know.

[Rich]

You could tell me everything you needed to tell me about anyone from the 1700s. I believe all of it.

[Tim]

He had kids with his slaves who could not consent, which is rape.

[Amanda]

And she was 14. She was also his sister in law.

[Zach]

Also didn't know Christ.

[Amanda]

His wife died. Hold on, I'm gonna. I didn't get it. This is ridiculous. His wife died. Jefferson's wife died. On her deathbed, he promised her he would never remarry. He was still pretty young to get around that. He just. Her sister who was his enslaved maid for her whole life until he died.

[Tim]

Yeah, that guy.

[Zach]

Great guy.

[Tim]

Yeah, What a great guy. Rich.

[Amanda]

Terrible.

[Rich]

I'm not saying any of these people were good people. I'm saying policies that they wrote. No, the policies they wrote. Like he was, he was non religious person. That's the most important stuff for me about Thomas Jefferson. Every person born before 1800 was like. They would all be objectively terrible by today's standards. Right. Is there anyone who wouldn't? Who wasn't like a raping, slave owning murderer?

[Tim]

John Adams.

[Rich]

Amanda, you would know this John Adams. So he's the one. And Amanda immediately vetoed him as an influencer.

[Tim]

FDR could do a hell of a YouTube video.

[Amanda]

He was an ethical, moral, self righteous nerd. He would not have been a good influencer. Nobody with too many ethics.

[Zach]

Sometimes they work. It depends.

[Rich]

Amanda, this is a great bit for you now. Like you need a series of like the top five and bottom five historical characters as influencers. Some maybe like team up with Lissandra and she can do the, the wig and the makeup. Like this could be this, this could be a really good.

[Amanda]

I used to do Smash or pass for Presidents. That was fun.

[Rich]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly.

[Zach]

That's cool. That's a fun.

[Rich]

Have AI do them up in like modern makeup and hair.

[Tim]

We only got a couple minutes left and we haven't even promoted Amanda's new show yet.

[Rich]

Oh, fuck.

[Tim]

On the Findout network, which Is the whole point of bringing her here, though. We have loved this conversation. Amanda, tell us about your show.

[Amanda]

My show comes out tomorrow. Actually not on the 4th because the 4th is a holiday. So I'm not doing that. I'm not working on.

[Zach]

Technically it's already out as of people, the time of day here.

[Amanda]

RSS feeds are up, so you can go subscribe if you want. Anyway, it's called Executive Dysfunction. That's exactly what it sounds like. A giant penis joke. And it is about various and sundry fuck ups in American history and how our leaders are just big dumb dummies who are dumb and always have been. The first episode is about Bushby Gore. Season one is five. Five episodes. Your team has killed themselves to make this for me, so thanks for that.

[Tim]

Tim, you are more than. I. I did nothing. So that is.

[Amanda]

I am not a hard person to work with, but I do cram a lot of information into 30 minutes.

[Zach]

You've been the easiest person to work with actually. But great. You're giving us a lot of stuff to.

[Tim]

I feel like. I feel like Brian and I take that. Take that category.

[Zach]

You're right. You. You're in strong competition that both of you. I guess that. Yeah, you guys win because your content's also just like. You just chop it up in two minutes.

[Tim]

Yeah,

[Amanda]

yeah. Mine is very scripted. It's just me talking about how much I hate Woodrow Wilson for half an hour.

[Tim]

I mean, to be fair, he was a racist. He was the worst.

[Amanda]

My actual least favorite president. Yeah.

[Tim]

Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.

[Rich]

Worse than Trump?

[Tim]

Worst ever.

[Amanda]

Yes, so far.

[Tim]

Trump Worse than Andrew Johnson.

[Amanda]

Yeah.

[Tim]

Worse than Donald Trump.

[Amanda]

Yes. So far.

[Tim]

We still have two years worse than James Buchanan.

[Amanda]

Well, I mean, who's my.

[Tim]

My alum. I have to. I, I. Dickinson College has got one

[Amanda]

president that's the worst one.

[Tim]

Was. Well. And they were roommates.

[Amanda]

Yes.

[Tim]

Well, wait, what about Polk? Wasn't he unmarried too?

[Amanda]

No, I don't think so. Or she died. No, because he was married to.

[Tim]

Wait, who's the one that served one

[Amanda]

term to Jefferson Davis?

[Tim]

Was Polk the one term. The guy.

[Amanda]

Yeah, there was a string of one terms between.

[Tim]

Well, there's Jake.

[Amanda]

Well, it started with. Yeah. Between JQA and Lincoln.

[Tim]

Oh, yeah.

[Amanda]

Yeah.

[Tim]

All right. So what's your first episode is Bush versus on the. On the eve of the America's 250th birthday. We will talk about one of the worst constitutional crisis that actually installed a president that if the recount had continued, probably would not be the president.

[Amanda]

Yeah. Yeah. So season One is. Each episode's a different thing, but it's like voter suppression, corruption, polarization, class war. You can understand why I'm choosing these topics.

[Zach]

No, it's not, not at all.

[Tim]

As one of the, one of the few people that is on this panel right now that, that lived through it and at an age to actually have voted as well, I did this through

[Amanda]

it, but I couldn't vote.

[Tim]

It was a. Yeah. Oh, I, I, I voted, obviously voted for Gore. And by the way, everybody, I changed my, my registration from Maine to Pennsylvania because Pennsylvania mattered. I just want kudos. We still lost. And I remember I went to bed and I thought, oh, they called it for Gore. Goodbye. And then in the morning I get up and I was like, it was like a completely different world. I was like, wait, what?

[Amanda]

Yeah, anyways, yeah, listen to it tomorrow and then gird yourself for the inventors.

[Tim]

Because, well, I will say it is, it is a, it is a fascinating story and it is something that people should know about because there are, as, as we've said, like you've said before, parallels to where we are now and the things that they would want to try to do. I guarantee you that they are going to try some in 28, no matter what. And, you know, it's good for people to understand that the Bush people of which not to have any spoilers here, but our current Chief justice had a very heavy hand in making sure that the vote stopped being counted.

[Amanda]

Oh, yeah, I talk about that. Yeah.

[Tim]

So everybody's. Oh, Mr. Nice John Roberts, the 54 of every. I'm like, no, garbage. Brilliant, brilliant, brilliant guy. But it.

[Amanda]

He got his seat because he helped Bush steal this election. 100%1 of my thesis.

[Tim]

I will say I don't like him. I was impressed that he did his confirmations with no notes.

[Amanda]

He walked Amy Carrot Bongo.

[Tim]

Yeah, but she didn't say anything. She's just like, no, no.

[Amanda]

Oh, they're so dumb.

[Tim]

I'm not giving him kudos. I'm just saying he's smart. Like Scalia was smart. And he was a piece of.

[Rich]

Scalia was smart. That's why I hated him so much.

[Tim]

Yeah, I know. But Scalia was also one that said that the Constitution on the Second Amendment was not unlimited, which has always been a nice quote that I dig up every once in a while and throw in someone's face when they, when they say, no, he just wasn't.

[Amanda]

It's going to become unlimited.

[Tim]

What's that?

[Amanda]

In October, it's going to become unlimited. They have two AR cases that they're going to hear in October.

[Zach]

Right?

[Amanda]

Yeah.

[Tim]

Machines. Constitutional right. I like tanks. Bazookas. Well, Elon wants the flamethrowers, I'm sure. Okay, well, on that fun note, please go. Well, it's actually on the Find Out Media YouTube channel, so please go subscribe to it. We'll also email it out on the newsletter, which you're not that findout media.substack.com and you know, we were talking earlier about money for this ecosystem. And if you want to do us a real solid, you will get a membership on any of the platforms. We have membership, which is YouTube, Substack, Patreon. There is an Apple one, but I don't think we set it up. But those three, $10 a month super professional helps us a lot. Oh, yeah, we're just a crack operation here. But anyways, want to thank Amanda for joining us. She is part of the Find Out Media family. We're so excited about that.

[Amanda]

Thank you.

[Tim]

Executive Dysfunction launches today. So please go. No, no. But. No, no. When they listen. When they listen.

[Amanda]

Jesus Christ.

[Zach]

Will be Friday.

[Tim]

So it'll be Friday.

[Amanda]

Time has no meaning.

[Tim]

They'll all have. They'll all have listened by the time this is launched.

[Rich]

So they'll.

[Tim]

They'll be ready.

[Rich]

But, Amanda, what shirt are you wearing? That shirt is rad, but I can't see the whole thing. Oh, nice. Where do people. Where do you.

[Tim]

You gotta say it for the audio. For audio listeners. What does the shirt say?

[Amanda]

It says Clever Girl. And it's Raptor from Jurassic Park. Clever Girl.

[Rich]

It's my favorite movie as right before the dude gets completely disemboweled, eaten alive

[Amanda]

by a lady dinosaur.

[Rich]

So good. So good.

[Tim]

All right. Well, on that lovely happy note, we hope everybody has a wonderful Fourth of July. And I hope that your celebrations for the 250th have more people than the ones down at the National Mall that we've seen this week. And have a great time. We'll be back next week. Bye, everybody.