Can Liberals, Progressives & Moderates Unite to Beat Republicans in November — and 2028?

Summary

Podcast Summary: The Find Out Podcast

Episode: Can Liberals, Progressives & Moderates Unite to Beat Republicans in November — and 2028?

Date: February 17, 2026
Hosts: Tim, Rich, Luke, Zach

Main Theme & Purpose

This episode dives into the persistent friction between liberals, progressives, moderates, and the far left during Trump’s second term, especially with the looming 2028 election. The panel—a group of left-leaning content creators—debate whether the increasingly contentious “infighting” on the left will prevent them from uniting to beat Republicans, unpack the real obstacles to progressive change, and skewer both their allies and opponents with sharp commentary.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The Uselessness of Infighting and Labels on the Left

• The hosts lampoon the endless fighting over political “purity” and self-applied labels on the left (moderate, progressive, leftist, etc.).
• Rich points out the irony: while the left obsesses over definitions, the right has shifted to demanding extreme ideological purity, swallowing the entire party. The left risks “doing this to ourselves.”
• Arguing about what leftist means “is such a horrific waste of energy” (Rich, 03:20)
• Moderates and far-left online communities, especially on Threads and Reddit, get called out for “purity tests” and cyber-bullying those who don’t perfectly align.

2. The Hasan Piker Situation & Leftist Privilege

• Luke highlights a viral moment where prominent leftist Hasan Piker declared he’d vote third party in a hypothetical Newsom vs. JD Vance race.
  • “Which is fucking laughable. I mean, Jesus Christ.” (Luke, 05:16)
• They dissect the privileged perspective of influencers like Hasan, noting how their personal conditions are insulated from election outcomes, unlike vulnerable populations.

3. Debate Over Pushing Moderates Left—When and How

• The panel agrees: pushing candidates left is critical, but the time for demands is the primary, not the general.
  • “That is what you do in the primaries.” (Rich, 09:41)
• Zach argues that the far left overestimates its numbers and misreads its position as a suppressed majority, when it's often a vocal minority (10:00–11:00).
• There’s frustration that leftists critique more than they organize or win over swing voters with coherent messaging.

4. Strategic Perspective: Policy, Strategy, and Feasibility

• Zach lays out two hurdles for the far left:
  • “Winnability and feasibility. Those are the two things that I think the far left struggles with.” (15:03)
  • He contends that policies like Medicare-for-All poll well, but messaging is poor—too moralistic and not focused on real-world deliverability.
• Tim and Rich note how the complexity of American governance means nobody can deliver sweeping changes instantly—even Obama compromised on core policies.
• Rich: “If the person who’s on the ballot isn’t going—they wouldn’t be able to deliver these things through legislation...It means I’m going to vote for the best possible thing on the ballot.” (13:33–14:59)

5. The Necessity of Incremental Progress & Building Power Locally

• Rich offers the only sustainable path for progressives: win at the local and congressional level, build a bench, and push left incrementally over decades.
  • “If you want to really pursue that, go as far left as you can at the local level...” (18:07)
• Attempts to “burn it all down” or revive fantasies of sudden revolution are dismissed as both dangerous and politically naive.

6. Identity, Race, and the Limits of a Bernie-Style Candidacy

• The hosts debunk myths about Bernie Sanders’s support base and the retrospective claim that the DNC "rigged" the primary.
  • “Bernie was only, for the most part, only winning caucuses... Caucuses tend to benefit affluent white voters...” (Tim, 30:11)
• Rich: “Hillary Clinton beat Bernie Sanders because millions more of the most diverse Americans supported Hillary Clinton.” (29:11)
• The left’s inability to connect with working-class voters of color is identified as a core problem that cost progressives in the past.

7. Electability and ‘The Lesser Evil’ Rationale

• The hosts are adamant: when faced with a Republican opponent, any viable Democrat is always the better choice and abstaining or going third-party is madness.
  • Luke: “I wouldn't crawl over a mile of broken glass naked to vote for [Gavin Newsom] instead of Vance. You’re out of your mind.” (07:52)
  • They jokingly draw the line at literal criminals or “Jeffrey Epstein,” hammering home that incremental progress still beats catastrophic losses:
  • Rich: "If a paper exists with JD Vance or Marco Rubio’s name on it, I will fill the other bubble. No matter what is in the other bubble, if it’s got a Democrat next to it...there is no conversation to be had.” (34:30)

8. Democrats’ Messaging Problems vs. GOP’s Unapologetic Boldness

• The panel laments that Democrats try to appease the loudest social media activists while the GOP has mastered strongman, identity-based messaging—even as it strays from reality.
• Fear of “saying the wrong thing” creates endless strategic paralysis for Democrats, to their own detriment.
• Zach: “Democrats are playing an old version of politics. Republicans have shifted politics from policy to identity very, very effectively.” (23:34)

9. The Economy, Real Pain, and Political Gaslighting

• Rich presents data on inflation and wages, showing that real purchasing power for working people is way down since 2016 and even further since 2006. (38:00–41:00)
  • “Right now you have to work 40% more minimum wage hours than you did just in 2016 to pay for that same stuff. That is only ten years. 40% more hours.” (Rich, 40:49)
• Democrats’ habit of cheerleading “the Dow” while everyday people feel squeezed is counterproductive.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On infighting:
  • “Can’t we all just get along, guys?” (Tim, 03:11)
  • “The net positive for the country exists exclusively with Democrats. And whether that's 3% improvement or 1000%...that is what we decide in the primary battle.” (Rich, 06:46)
• On the importance of voting Blue, even if you dislike the candidate:
  • “If you think for a split second I wouldn't crawl over a mile of broken glass naked to vote for him instead of Vance, you're out of your mind.” (Luke, 07:52)
• On the myth of Bernie’s 'rigged' loss:
  • “Hillary Clinton beat Bernie Sanders because millions more of the most diverse Americans supported Hillary Clinton over Bernie Sanders. Full stop.” (Rich, 29:11)
• On the utility of incrementalism:
  • "You just don't give up...Just because you can’t get there in one year or two years or in one presidency doesn’t mean it’s not worth pursuing." (Rich, 20:58)
• On anti-leftist online hate:
  • (Regarding DMs critical of platforming moderates) “Are we super duper for real right now?” (Luke, 06:35)
• On grocery prices and economic reality:
  • "Right now...you have to work 40% more minimum wage hours than you did just in 2016 to pay for that same stuff...That's what Trump doesn't get. And he never will." (Rich, 40:49)
• On activist gatekeeping:
  • “There is no pure that's pure enough. Because the point of chasing purity is that it can always be more pure. It's like the illusion of perfection. It does not exist.” (Rich, 32:56)

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Important Timestamps

• 02:27: Start of discussion about leftist labels, purity tests.
• 05:07: Hasan Piker's statement about voting third party in 2028, group reaction.
• 07:48: Rich summarizes “lesser evil” logic for Democratic unity in elections.
• 12:49: Tim: Leftists should push for better; Biden as most progressive since FDR.
• 18:07: Rich explains building leftist power from the bottom up.
• 29:11: Common myths about Bernie Sanders and DNC “rigging.”
• 40:49: Rich details economic struggles using real-world grocery example.
• 43:18: “Get Fucked By Luke”—Luke’s video segment, lampooning MAGA agitators harassing student protesters.

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Tone & Style

The episode blends irreverence, introspection, and exasperation with dark humor. The hosts oscillate between biting sarcasm, data-driven analysis, and expletive-laden rants—delivering unfiltered progressive commentary designed for “normal dudes you can shoot the shit with,” not a sanitized echo chamber.

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Final Thoughts

The hosts agree: the real enemy to defeating the right is not impure allies but the inability of the big-tent left to recognize and respect both the limits and opportunities of coalition politics. Infighting, especially around purity, only serves far-right goals. Ongoing outreach, local activism, and practical progress are the only paths forward—even if that means baby steps, “lesser evil” votes, and turning a deaf ear to the most online haters.

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Transcript

[Tim]

Hey, everybody. Welcome back to the Find out podcast. We are back to normal today. I know you had a pretty shitty host last time.

[Rich]

That's what I was told. Oh, funny, funny.

[Luke]

We weren't. They weren't the only times I had a shitty time.

[Rich]

Funny you would use the word shitty. How, how was your procedure, by the way, Tim?

[Tim]

So funny enough, I am a big proponent of colonoscopies. I have had one because I'm of that age now and everybody should get one. But that's not what I was doing. I know it made for some very funny chit chat at the top of the show.

[Rich]

It's true.

[Tim]

But I was actually in our nation's capital with many Senate Democrats and content creators learning about ways that we can one, we can get their message out better, but to how they could also help us. So that's what I was doing. I missed my first episode ever.

[Rich]

I knew if I knew that Senate Democrats and content creators would be deciding our future 10 years ago, I would have moved to Canada. So let's just be real clear about that.

[Luke]

I'm spelling right on the fence.

[Tim]

Let's bounce. Well, that's, that's better than the people making the decisions for the country now. Right? So, you know. But anyways, it was a. I heard the show was good. I saw, I saw the reactions. I kind of wanted it to suck because I wanted everybody to wish me to come back. And I didn't get any of those. Oh, I did get one person. Hope you're feeling better, which I care about you. I was fine. But everybody, everybody over the age of 45, get your colonoscopies because you don't want to end up like James Vanderbeek. Nope.

[Zach]

You get some propofol.

[Rich]

Michael Jackson. That's great.

[Tim]

He did. Yes, I have. I also understand after that procedure how Michael Jackson got addicted to it.

[Rich]

And then it's the best thing ever.

[Tim]

Oh, that. I, I, my countdown. I think I got to like, I got like four seconds into it or something. And have you seen these tick tock videos where people try to keep talking through? They're the funniest things ever.

[Zach]

You should.

[Rich]

I don't even know how. I had one a couple of years ago and it was like, we're gonna start counting and I was already unconscious.

[Luke]

People are so old.

[Rich]

I didn't even get to 10.

[Luke]

All three of you. Jesus Christ.

[Tim]

I am gonna get out of my nursing home when you are of age to have one. And I'm just going to laugh at you because I will probably Be too old to get them anymore because there.

[Luke]

Is probably have a way to figure it out so I don't have to get one by the time that's true 10 years.

[Tim]

The worst, the worst part about it is the procedure is nothing.

[Luke]

The worst part is the drinking things.

[Zach]

Oh my God.

[Tim]

Oh my God. Well, anyways, let's talk about something more fun, which is Democratic infighting, everyone's favorite.

[Luke]

On the planet.

[Tim]

Well, it's not so much about the infighting. I think what we wanted to have a conversation about was about labels on the left. And you know, this, you see this a lot on threads, you see it a little less on other platforms, but a lot of like two different camps, which is basically moderate slash liberals and then leftists. And you know, I, I understand why these labels exist and I understand all of that. And obviously we saw a lot of infighting in 2024, especially around Gaza, which I actually think the leftists were correct, that that should have been labeled a genocide. But also no, like, you know, there's a bunch of people who said Bernie would have won in 2016, which is laughable. So like, can't we all just get along, guys?

[Rich]

So we have a.

[Tim]

We have the worst president.

[Luke]

We just agree that the Nazis are the bad guys right now and we just fight them for now.

[Rich]

Yeah. The thing is with labels is if, if it matters, like if, if calling it genocide means that that countries are then legally required to change their behavior, you know, if, if when it matters, like murder is not the same as killing, like sometimes the label does matter when it's inside of a political party which is a private organization. The second you start getting into leftist versus progressive versus liberal and neoliberal and centrist Dem and whatever. Like the second you allow someone to assign a name, then you're allowing them to define that name. And if you got two leftists in the room together, the odds that they could both agree on the exact definition of leftist is probably close to zero, not to mention absolutely not anyone in this big tent party. And so it is such a horrific waste of energy. And I can't believe the irony that we are missing on the left by having going down this road in that I have to warn our own people the consequence of what happens when you get too obsessed with purity like MAGA just they are doing this to us now. And that is what happened to the MAGA fringe. It took over like a tumor, consumed the entire Republican party by trying to have this hyper pure definition of what it means to be a correct version of A Democrat or a progressive? Well, did you guys see ourselves to do that same thing?

[Tim]

Yeah, Luke, go talk. Talk about that. What happened with Hasan Piker last week, who is, by the way, for those of you who don't know, is probably the biggest leftist voice at this point.

[Rich]

I would say probably. That's massive.

[Tim]

Massive following on Twitch. Top three, definitely.

[Luke]

He said that if the 2028 election were Gavin Newsom versus JD Vance, he.

[Tim]

Would vote third party.

[Zach]

Yeah.

[Rich]

Jesus Christ, that's helpful.

[Luke]

Which is fucking laughable. I mean, Jesus Christ.

[Tim]

Well, and Luke, you call. You would call yourself a leftist, right?

[Luke]

No, I. I specifically don't call myself one because that shit is annoying. I used to have leftists in my bio, and then people would come in my fucking messages and I say, I can't believe you would say that as a leftist. I was like, all right, fine, I'm taking it out. I'm the fucking Internet's anger translator now.

[Rich]

On the left.

[Luke]

Yeah, I'm on the left.

[Tim]

Fine. Fuck you.

[Zach]

Right?

[Rich]

I don't know why it's so. Go ahead.

[Tim]

It's. It's. It's so dumb.

[Luke]

Like, okay, so every so often I'll get a dm that just infuriates me. And so I went through last week every so often, every pretty much daily. And I got one last week, and I went back through this guy who'd been DMing me since April, and I had never responded. So, like, for your DM is a picture of me and Jordan Klepper from the Daily Show. And it's. The response was, my guy, you are so handsome. And I didn't respond to it. It's a nice compliment. Next in July, he sends me this, really says, I don't have a lot of people to send these to, so I'm going to send it to you. And I was like, no biggie. Then last week, you better not consider yourself a leftist following establishment Dems and platforming Gavin fucking Newsom. I drink your liberal tears.

[Tim]

What are we.

[Luke]

Are we super duper for real right now?

[Rich]

No. What the are we doing?

[Tim]

Well.

[Luke]

And that's a real person.

[Zach]

It's a real person.

[Luke]

That person votes.

[Zach]

Yeah.

[Rich]

I'm just gonna say this to. To our people on the left, if there. If those people are listening, the amount of either sort of reckless negligence or privilege that is required to say, I'm not going to vote for someone who definitely wouldn't be deporting Liam Ramos and his family, who definitely wouldn't be murdering citizens in the streets. I can't vote for that person, because they're not that. They don't say the exact right things. The exact right way like that is what we're talking about here. The net positive for the country exists exclusively with Democrats. And whether that's 3% improvement or a thousand percent improvement from where we're at today, that is what we decide in the primary battle. And then once we get to the general election, you vote for whoever is the best for the country. You don't try to debunk a system that has to have 340 million people involved in it because you didn't get your exact right way. That is not how this system is designed to function.

[Luke]

Yeah, I have massive problems with Gavin Newsom. He wouldn't absolutely fucking.

[Tim]

He would.

[Luke]

He wouldn't call the thing in the genocide in Gaza a genocide. He talked about how his son admired Charlie Kirk. Lots of fucking things. But if you think for a split second I wouldn't crawl over a mile of broken glass naked to vote for him instead of dance, you're out of your mind.

[Rich]

Because we know exactly what J.D. vance wants to do. And now we've seen when they say we want to do these things, sometimes they actually can. And now they've deconstructed all of the, the, the checks and balances around the executive branch. That a Peter Thiel, JD Vance powered administration could be possibly more destructive more quickly than Donald Trump because there's. There would be a lot less chaos. It would be techno fascists and hostility toward everyone who isn't Americans. I mean, it would be real dystopian, real fast.

[Luke]

Rich, you made a suggest a lot more. Gavin Newsom would not be building warehouses for ICE detention detainees all across the country.

[Rich]

You know, there's a chance he would build warehouses for the homeless people in San Francisco as a first pass. Like, I don't know, it's not exactly the same. You know, trying to solve homelessness versus, you know, detaining millions of people for no reason because he's racist. You know, I don't know. Apparently these things are roughly comparable, right, to like, to, to, to the people on the far left. I just. We can't do this again, guys.

[Tim]

Let me, Let me. I'm gonna channel the leftist world right now. I get a lot of. I don't. But I like, I think we, you know, I think it was only fair to, like, lay out some of the things that they say. And one of those is, you know, my, my life over 20, 25 years has not changed that dramatically, depending whether Republicans or Democrats. Are in party or in power. So, like, yes, I am going to push people to be better. What do you think about that?

[Rich]

That's what you do in the primaries.

[Luke]

I think anybody who thinks that Gavin Newsom would not be an improvement over what we have now is operating in delusion.

[Zach]

Yeah, there's no question about it.

[Tim]

What I think. Go ahead, Zach.

[Zach]

I think one of the challenges you face with a lot of these people is they think the system is sort of rigged against their perspective. That's a huge piece of it. Like Bernie Sanders, they always say, well, well, the primaries are rigged, so who gives a. Anyway, it's like. But they're not. It's the only pro. Like, what I think is that there's a complex involved with people very far to the left where they feel like they're the majority opinion, but they're getting suppressed when in reality they're still the minority opinion. Like, pretty, like, substantially even within the left. Like, not to say there aren't a lot of them, but I. I think the challenge people on the left, like, left, very far left, are facing, they haven't put a coherent strategy and how to convince people they're right together yet. And, like, all they do is complain. And that's the biggest problem. I think they face all this stuff, you know, infighting and all that crap. It's like, in the end, their opinion becomes less valuable because we just look at them who aren't in that group and go, yeah, but what are you doing other than sewing discord, complaining and pretending like you have more power than you do? It makes no sense.

[Luke]

Is so funny. Like, he sits there and talks about how he would vote third party as he's a millionaire who drives luxury vehicles, who comes from the. One of the highest places of entitlement you could possibly come from. His life doesn't change.

[Rich]

Yeah, no, of course not.

[Zach]

He could just do it as a. As you know, because I think to them it's more of a movement as well. Right. So, like, they're willing to have some sacrifices and really difficult time to prove to people the value of their perspective. And I get it. Like, that makes sense. And I do think that, like, you know, leftists and Democratic socialists, whatever you want to call them, going to have a way better shot at getting some of their policy into this next cycle of elections because of that strategy of just letting shit rot. But I still think you're going to have to put it on the shoulders of a pretty establishment person to deliver a portion of it as opposed to, like, a Whole just suite of changes, you know.

[Tim]

And I want to be clear, and I think we all agree on this. Like, I don't have any issues with leftists pushing moderates to be more. I have zero problems.

[Rich]

Please do that.

[Tim]

And in fact, please do that. And in fact, that is probably why we are in a position now where I think most, most, most people would say we're not going to support a candidate that doesn't support universal healthcare. That wouldn't have happened in 2008. In fact, I was on the Obama campaign, as you all know, and like, you know, there was this whole thing about public options. No public options, subsidies, all this stuff. And then we went through a process in 2009 and you know, we had a public option in there that corporate Democrats, Joe Lieberman, Max Baucus, some of these people, Ben Nelson, Bill Nelson, Ben, Ben, Ben, not Bill. Were all like, hell no. And so then you didn't get the public option, which was really the thing that was meant to help costs stay down was to have competition in the marketplace. But now, I mean, I would argue, and I know leftists are going to lose their fucking minds. I'm going to get absolutely shredded for this. Joe Biden was the most progressive president we've had since fdr. Yeah. I don't even. And like, and he had bad things. Right. The, the unwillingness to acknowledge genocide in Gaza was a big, big mistake and wrong. And there's a couple other things. But like, he also halved child poverty. Have dip.

[Rich]

Yeah.

[Tim]

You know, and had more progress. Like, all of the tax. The bills that we passed were progressive in nature instead of regressive, which is what Republicans always do. So I am, I am 100% fine with a left flank pushing, but it's like, it's the vitriol and the like screaming at people who don't 100% align with you that I think is fracturing this party. And I don't think moderates are doing great either.

[Rich]

But like, I don't, you know, I don't know if it's like, I, I, I thousand percent agree. I don't know if it is fracturing the party because I think it is still maybe a couple thousand people on like threads, you know, maybe Reddit, stuff.

[Luke]

Like that post about it.

[Zach]

I don't know.

[Rich]

And, and they get a lot of attention for it. But, and that's, and that's what we're doing here is we have to either put guardrails around it or help those people not try to put the guardrails up faster because. Hang on, Zach. Sor. I got to respond to TIMER because thousand percent agree leftist positions, the policies. Yes. I mean the things that I would do if I could snap my fingers, I would cap CEO ratio up CEO pay as a. At a probably a 50 or 100 to 1 ratio to the average worker versus where it's at right now, which is like 550 or a thousand times the average workers pay. I would say that nationwide, if you want to be a company in the United States, here's the rule. Universal health care, universal pre K, universal child care. We produce so much wealth. The number of things that we could provide for people, I don't think people can possibly understand. Universal access to higher education. All of these things should be the foundation of a thriving society and people would be happier and healthier if we did all these things. But if the person who's on the ballot isn't going like they, they wouldn't be able to deliver these things through legislation. Let's be very clear about that all at once. If the, if I don't believe that they are capable of doing all of those things or that they will fight to the death to do all those things, that doesn't mean I'm going to go vote for Jill Stein. It means I'm going to vote for the best possible thing on the ballot person on the ballot who can get us in that direction so that we can start to realize those benefits as soon as possible.

[Zach]

Yeah, I mean that. It comes down to two things, right? It's like winnability and feasibility. Those are the two things that I think the far left struggles with. One is they have not figured out how to message their to the middle. I mean like there's people in the middle who would hear the core of their arguments and go, yeah, dude, I want free this and I want free that. You know, it sounds good for society. If you can show me the benefit, that's great. But the pitch is always, you know, mired in morality and shit. And people in the middle don't vote on morality.

[Tim]

They could give a.

[Zach]

That's why they voted for Trump. And you know, they go on their wallet. Right, exactly. So like there's that. But then my biggest challenge was far left politics is not do I agree with what they want? Like I think everybody, if you just said like, hey, don't think about the details. Do you want free health care for everybody? Yeah, of course I do. But then you start to look at and go, okay, well like is that possible and is it possible in America like Rich, everything you're saying sounds right structurally and it makes sense. But it's not possible to implement like almost any of this in a very short period of time. It's gonna take a super long time to eliminate all the corporate has mired us in where we are right now. So it's like I, as a voter and definitely the furthest to the right of the four of us look at, I care most about. Can you actually do this? If you're pitching me something like, the reason I hated Bernie Sanders is not because I disagreed with him, because I knew he couldn't fucking do what he was saying he wanted to do. Impossible. The things he was pitching were like, you're, you're out of your mind if you think this is possible. So like there's so many things beyond just hey, let's the, the infighting element. It's like I want a fucking candidate who can win. And if you're going to go out there and go, hey, we're going to do free everything, you're going to get fucking shellacked. You got to figure out how you're going to do this and pitch it right. And neither has been figured out at all.

[Tim]

Well, I don't think that the, I don't think that the leftists have a very like, I mean they're good at slogans. Medicare for all, sure.

[Zach]

Slogan, that's great.

[Tim]

But they do, you know, they do push some popular policies but are having trouble getting it through. And I think this is where I think, I wish, I wish Democrats or everybody from the center to the left, I don't know what descriptions really to use anymore could just like have these conversations and be like, you know, this.

[Luke]

Is what we all want, this is how we'll like to get it.

[Tim]

Like I, I have, I have probably moved more left in my life and actually probably moved more left being in the Obama administration because there was some stuff in there that I didn't necessarily agree with and particularly at my department with oil and gas and coal and all that stuff which always made me want to like hide under a table. But you know, I also understand like as you're saying, Zach, like the challenges. Not, not because the President is incapable of doing it because you've got 435 House members who think they can be president. You've got 100 senators who think they can be president. You have to convince 530, you have to convince more than a half of those people that your like life changing policy isn't going to get them voted out of office.

[Rich]

Right.

[Tim]

And so that is a real problem. And I do sometimes think that like a certain group understands that and another group doesn't. So I don't give a. Do it anyways. And it's like, well, yeah, but if you're gonna ask somebody to march and go dig their own grave, lay in it and then let people dump dirt over you, they're not gonna do it.

[Zach]

Right.

[Rich]

Well, I totally agree. And I think it's the, the, the level of your investment, the level of your passion needs to track to the, the structure of government. Trump did not just become Trump overnight. Trump became Trump and is able to do the things he, he is doing because of what really the Heritage foundation and Newt Gingrich started in the 80s and 90s, right. They have been working at the local level. That's why redistricting is such a problem. That's why electoral votes are such a problem. They have been working for 30 years to, from the bottoms up, just low key build the entire structure of government that accommodates an authoritarian psychopath. And now he's able to exploit that. He's still not moving as fast as he wants. But if you're a leftist, if like, I mean progressive or policy wise, all of us are about as far left, honestly, like how you message it and how you win and how, and how you do it through government, that's all, that's how, that's the operation. But the actual policies and the outcomes that we want to see, I think we're all on the same page. We want to see regular people have way better lives and make a ton more money and have a lot more freedom. And how we get there is like, sure, whatever. If you want to, if you want to really pursue that, go as far left as you can at the local level. City council, your, your mayors, your, your, your actual congress, people representing your districts, those are the easiest places to push. Push either to the left or the right. And then as, and then also in primaries, obviously you get the, you get your primary candidate out there, go work for them, go volunteer, donate, whatever. That is how you move the party internally so that when you get somebody at the top in 10 years, the whole system is full of people who are not just going to say, well, I'm worried about getting reelected. I'm not going to do, you know, defund the police is too controversial and abolish ICE is too con. Those people are gone because you've already built the system with the right people from the bottom up. And then you get to the point where you can have a president who can actually do the things that need to be done because all the people are in place. It is not a sexy answer, it's not a fast answer, it's not a satisfying answer. But when you have a country this big and stupid and complex and I mean stupid in like the most affectionate way possible, it's like a mind numbingly complicated government that is the only way it can actually get done. And so if you're in this burn it down because everything is so bad, it would be better to start over via violent revolution. I'm like, you can, you can miss me with that. I've got kids and I don't want them killing. I don't want him in the Civil War just yet.

[Luke]

You gave me the infinity Gauntlet. Some is going to change real quick.

[Zach]

Right?

[Tim]

Right.

[Luke]

Welcome to the present. We're running a real nation. That's not how it works.

[Rich]

Yeah.

[Luke]

So instead I will take the smallest of baby steps towards the good that will happen in 20 years instead of taking a massive step to the right into dog.

[Rich]

And you just don't give up. You don't give up and like just allow. Okay, well this is how it is, I guess. Everything is bad and moves slowly. No, you keep that white hot rage. Know you keep the vision for like the North Star, whatever you want to call it, where we're trying to go collectively. But just because you can't get there in one year or two years or in one presidency doesn't mean it's not worth pursuing. You know what the 20 or 30.

[Luke]

Years good progressive policy is. Have eight years of just really, really good central policy.

[Rich]

Yeah.

[Zach]

I mean kind of had that with Obama though.

[Luke]

That's fair.

[Rich]

I mean, and that didn't.

[Luke]

They were just so mad they lost to them.

[Rich]

I think we responded to. I think, I think we. Hindsight's 2020 and it's so frustrating. But looking back at how we, we thought like we elected a black president with a funny name. That means that we are a post racial society and a post sexism society. Like we thought like the whole world was. This was a new era for America and so it was like Hillary Clinton was just anointed. Like we're going to have the first female president. Yeah. We did not understand how important it was to connect Obama's messaging and his strategy beyond his identity to the Clinton campaign, to the Harris campaign. I think we tried a little bit with Harris, but that was a whole different back.

[Tim]

Well, we also were given. I mean this is going to Sound awful, but from an electoral perspective, a gift in George W. Bush because he lied us into a war that was very unpopular. Then the economy crashed a few years after the biggest tax cut in history, which now we've had to, that are.

[Luke]

Bigger, even bigger ones.

[Tim]

And so people were tired of it. And you know, and we'd had, that was two Bushes, we'd had two Clintons we talked about. And Barack Obama's probably a once in a generation talent politically like he is. Just so, you know, it's different. Like Kamala had a completely different persp, you know, a different, different. I think she was set up to fail. I mean, I don't, I don't think it was anyone's fault. She didn't have enough time. But that was a horrible. It was, yeah, it was. But like, you know, I, I, you know, Luke, you mentioned the racial part about this and I think that there is a part of this in this discussion too which, you know, I, I sort of hold going fully all the way to the left. When you look at most people of color are not necessarily that far end of the, of the spectrum because this shit matters to the day to day lives like a lot of these people. And so, you know, like I, I always, I always like wanted to curl up in a ball and, and die. When Bernie said he'd win, he was winning working class voters. No, he wasn't. He won white working class voters.

[Zach]

Right?

[Rich]

Yeah, yeah.

[Tim]

Working class voters that were people of color. Right. Not voting for him. And that is an important distinction.

[Zach]

Right.

[Tim]

Like it's a problem. And that needs.

[Zach]

Yeah, that's the interesting thing about Trump too is because Trump changed the rules of the game by who he. By two things. One, by activating white working class voters like that did not vote. Like it wasn't like he flipped votes. It, he just took people who didn't vote and went, here's a reason to go do it. But I think the bigger thing and how Democrats are playing from behind and the leftists play such a huge piece in this is that Democrats are playing an old version of politics. Republicans have shifted politics from policy politics to identity politics very, very effectively. And Democrats are playing this scared game where they're just terrified to say the wrong thing. And it's usually not fear of the right, it's fear of the far left and their reaction to it. And I think the only way to undo this sort of internal war is to have the 90 plus percent of people who don't give a shit what they have to say. But currently Fear them and, you know, step on their, you know, walk on eggshells to try to avoid pissing them off. Who gives a fuck? Piss them off. Let them piss them off. It doesn't matter. Like, let them be angry. It doesn't fucking matter. Like, we have to play because remember back in, like, you know, the Obama era, if you have one little slip up in your, in your campaign, you're fucked, you're done. Now you can have 50 a day and it doesn't matter. You can say, the goal, I think.

[Rich]

Is to have 50 a day. Keep the zone flooded.

[Zach]

Exactly. It doesn't fudgeing matter. And Democrats still play in this game where they're very worried about how they say shit. And it's because of the fucking far left. I mean, holy shit, we, we have.

[Tim]

Stopped talking about the horrifically racist meme that the President of the United States admitted to seeing and then posting that.

[Zach]

12 years ago and then not, not.

[Luke]

Firing the guy who did, who came up with it.

[Zach]

Insane. Impossible, right?

[Tim]

Like, there's no, like, there's no consequences to any of that. Or the fact that, what is it? He, Trump is listed in the Epstein files a million times and you're seeing all these other people resigning from their jobs, from it, and it's like, why does he get to stay? And it's. But I think it comes back to this thing where, like, I think, I think from a, from a communications or a brand perspective, being appearing, appearing strong to a large segment of the population matters more than any of this stuff, definitely. Because they want somebody that's going to make them feel safe, that owns, that owns their issues, believes in what they're saying. And I do think you're right, you guys are all right about Democrats. A lot of times they'll tiptoe up to the Gaza tip right back. Or, or they won't say, Medicare, Medicare for all, like, start talking in subsidies. And it's like, I know, oh, my God, like, you know.

[Rich]

Marginal tax.

[Tim]

And I think that's why Gavin, that's why Gavin was doing so well a few months ago, because he was just like, fuck it. I'm just going to say this shit. I'm going to have my. Like they had the brilliant social thing with the memes and all that stuff.

[Rich]

Yeah.

[Tim]

And people were like, oh, he looks like a. I mean, he looks like a president, right? The hair and the suits and all that, you know, the golden smile and all that stuff.

[Zach]

He's got a crush on him.

[Luke]

Little man crush.

[Tim]

All right. I was a very, very Very impressed with him communications wise. But I don't like his answers on.

[Zach]

Gaza and I don't like, I mean.

[Tim]

It'S on APAC either.

[Rich]

But, but, but those are.

[Tim]

I would still vote for him.

[Zach]

Like I would, I, I would. I mean I personally love Gavin Newsomite. Like he's exactly the type of candidate I want for my own politics. Like, not necessarily because I think he'll win, but because he just, you know, I stand with his stances quite a bit. But I do think like people are underestimating his ability to change people's minds on who he is. Like, yeah, he, he's the kind of guy, he can schmooze people and he can also, like, I think he'll have a hard time, very effective Midwesterners. I think that's going to be his biggest issue. Like Midwesterners and some Southerners are going to look at him very like, I don't know if I trust this fucking right. But if he can, if he can find a way to talk directly and authentically to that group of people. Doodle fucking dominate.

[Tim]

Well, he has the most, I mean he actually oversees the most farmland in the country. So like there are things there and I think he talked a little bit about when we interviewed him, but he also.

[Rich]

The governor, the most diverse state in the country.

[Tim]

Well, in the fifth or fourth largest.

[Rich]

Fourth largest economy in the world. No, I mean the world. Like on paper he's by far the most qualified to, to just do difficult things, govern over, you know, diffic things. I mean that if California were a country and it's the fourth largest in the, in the world. It's more complex than what I think. I don't even know who's bigger. It's like, is Germany bigger? But it's basically like being the president of, of Germany and then coming over and being like, okay, I could step up, you know, get the promotion. But well, sorry, I was going to add that like because somebody mentioned Zach, I think mentioned Bernie Sanders. I've seen this dripping out where it's like, well, this is you. We did this to Bernie. Or you guys, you guys did this to Bernie. The centrist Dems did this. Bernie. And we're going to have to relearn the same message. I think people are, they're either forgetting or they have. They or they never wanted to understand how bad it was for Bernie in the states that were not the, like the mountain and northeast white states obliterated. He lost Alabama 77 to 19%. He lost Arkansas. Clinton won Arkansas 66%, Georgia 71%, Tennessee 66, Texas 65. She won Puerto Rico, I think 85 to 15 or something like that. Pennsylvania, Maryland, Delaware, Connecticut, New York. Like she cleaned house. And then the places that had black voters and Hispanic voters, she won by like 40 and 50 and 60 point margins. So don't say that this is leftists versus centrists. Understand that this was like Hillary Clinton beat Bernie Sanders because millions more of the most diverse Americans supported Hillary Clinton over Bernie Sanders.

[Tim]

That like full stop, two things on this, because it does drive me crazy and I understand why people think it, because these things are hard to understand. Number one, everyone, like there's still a segment out there that says that the DNC fixed it for Hillary. And every time I ask them how, I don't get an answer. Or I guess like Donna Brazile got like gave the questions to a debate to Hillary.

[Rich]

Oh, right, there was a Donna Brazil scandal.

[Tim]

Guys, I hate to break it to you, but Hillary Clinton, you may not like her policy politics. That woman is a fucking genius. And like she knows the answers to all those questions already. So her getting an hour heads up notice on some questions didn't change the outcome of anything. The other thing, I'll say that is far more complicated and I didn't understand it myself. Bernie was only, for the most part, only winning caucuses. Now caucuses are very different from primaries. And a lot of people will argue that caucuses are discriminatory because it's a, it's like a four or five hour thing where you stand in one, if.

[Rich]

Nothing else there and you move.

[Zach]

It makes no sense.

[Tim]

And they're also very complicated. Like Maine use. Maine switched from a caucus to a primary. I didn't, when it first, first started, I don't even think I went because I was like, I don't, I don't know what this is. I don't know how this works.

[Zach]

Right.

[Tim]

And we were far down the list, so it didn't really matter. But like he would. But caucuses tend to benefit affluent white voters because they have the time and young and younger, they have the time to go do that. Where the mom working two jobs or the, you know, the dad that's working a 16 hour shift or whatever, they don't have time to sit there for three or four hours. So I think people have a hard time getting that. But like when Hill, like Rich, you're exactly right. Hillary was like destroying him in all of the primaries where most of the voters were right. And so that's important now it doesn't mean that Bernie shouldn't run for office. I am fine with that. And frankly, I love Bernie Sanders.

[Rich]

Like, that's the thing.

[Luke]

If he, if he, he's just there with his mittens.

[Tim]

Yeah, well, if he, yes, he, he did do that. I think everyone in this room would vote for Gavin Newsom or Bernie Sanders if they were the nominee. Right?

[Zach]

Yeah, sure.

[Luke]

Yeah.

[Rich]

Oh, absolutely.

[Luke]

Without that, easy to say, this person is better than the bad guy. I'm not going to like squander by not going to piss my vote away.

[Rich]

And this is the great thing about the primary process. If Gavin and Bernie were on the stage together and they had to hash it out, that would improve both of them, it would improve both of their policies and it would improve the odds that we have a really good, smart candidate with the exact right things to say and the exact right policies to back going into the general election, whether it's Bernie or whether it's Gavin or whether it's somebody else.

[Tim]

I got a great, great news, great, great news for you guys because we're about to have a two year primary, so we're going to have plenty of time.

[Zach]

Well, that's the.

[Rich]

Meanwhile, J.D. vance is going to be in the back being like, hey guys, pay attention.

[Zach]

To me waiting in the wings.

[Rich]

Marco Rubio sitting in the corner in.

[Tim]

A, in a room with multiple coaches or something.

[Zach]

Yeah, just, I, I mean the biggest problem, the, the, like the far left.

[Rich]

Has put the plastic wrap on them.

[Zach]

There's no viable, there's no viable candidate for the far left.

[Rich]

There just isn't.

[Tim]

Who is the leftist candidate?

[Rich]

Well, somebody asked that same question and they said AOC is my top preference.

[Zach]

Yeah, I don't even think AOC would.

[Luke]

Call herself a leftist.

[Rich]

Well, and I guarantee you, Democratic, socialist, that's.

[Luke]

But I think that, but that's the label. I'm pretty sure that's different than a.

[Rich]

Leftist, I guarantee you.

[Zach]

I just don't know how.

[Rich]

If she were a candidate, I guarantee you without a shred of doubt, there would be a reason to turn on AOC well before. And that's the point.

[Tim]

They've already started.

[Rich]

There is no pure. That's pure enough. Because the point of chasing purity is that it can always be more pure. It's like the illusion of perfection. It does not exist. And if it's true for you, it's not true for a bunch of other people. And it's certainly not true for the 70 or 80 million people that you need to vote to get somebody elected to be president.

[Zach]

You could zoom it out of the, out of the labels, though, because, like, this isn't even just about leftists. It's like that whole fraction of thinking which is a large, like, you know, I want universal this, universal that. There still is not a good candidate for that mindset. There's nobody out there who's going to pursue that.

[Tim]

Who will be the leftist vocana Ro.

[Zach]

Excuse me. I have no idea. There isn't one that's viable.

[Tim]

He's not even. Because he's got some tech stuff.

[Zach]

That's the big problem.

[Tim]

They're going to dust her off again and like run her out there and then. Yeah, where's she been lately?

[Zach]

It just makes. No, like, that's the, that's the thing that I think is going to become the most frustrating for people who really want to see these big sweeping changes. There truly is not an option that's going to be there for them to do that. That's going to be viable. Every single viable option is a moderate Democrat.

[Tim]

Well, here's a question for you. Is there a Democrat that could win the nomination that you wouldn't vote for.

[Rich]

Tulsi in the general?

[Zach]

Tulsi?

[Luke]

Oh, she is technically a Democrat.

[Tim]

No. Didn't she. She left the party.

[Luke]

Yeah, I don't think so.

[Rich]

No.

[Zach]

Like, even in general, I would, I.

[Luke]

I'll just be a Democrat.

[Zach]

I would vote. Yeah, he's a Democrat. I'd vote.

[Luke]

I would still vote for him.

[Tim]

I think he's still talking, he's talking about running. He's a, he's a.

[Zach]

But he's, he's a smart in some ways, but he's not a politician or.

[Rich]

If a paper exists with JD Vance or Marco Rubio's name on it, I will fill the other bubble. No matter what is in the other bubble, if it's, if it's got a Democrat next to it like a D or a Dem next to it, like, period. There is no conversation to be had.

[Tim]

What if, what if Jeffrey Epstein is actually alive and he arrives and he proclaims himself a Democrat and somehow wins the nomination in a war fight or something? No.

[Luke]

You know why? Because I don't like pedophiles. See, See, it's that easy.

[Tim]

I would not vote for it.

[Luke]

I don't like pedophiles.

[Tim]

I want to be very clear. No one here would vote for.

[Zach]

Nobody would vote for that.

[Tim]

I'm just saying that's. I.

[Luke]

To kind of pivot a little. I, I still can't believe this. In the last two weeks. Oh, it's a million mentions and they still can't quit loving him.

[Tim]

Well, that's. But, But, Luke, the Dow's over 50, 000. Oh, my. Or the stock market.

[Rich]

Is it still over? It was over, but that was one day.

[Tim]

Well, that's what Pam Bondi was saying.

[Rich]

When they were like, of course, of course.

[Tim]

Are you. Are you, like, it's not. Are you investigating the, you know, the.

[Rich]

Pedophiles over 50, 49,500 right now?

[Luke]

I didn't know that. I don't know. I didn't know that that disqualified us from being able to invest. Investigate she.

[Tim]

That performance. Did you see when she called Congresswoman Ballot anti Semitic? Yeah. And by the way, Congresswoman Ballot, who is awesome by the way, her grandfather died the whole Holocaust.

[Zach]

I know. That was such a good.

[Tim]

She, like, she was like. She lit. She's pretty b.

[Rich]

You really want to go there?

[Tim]

She's like, really want to go there? Do you really want to go there? I was like. I'm like, do it. Get her. Get her. Yeah, you're gonna hear more about her.

[Rich]

She's.

[Tim]

She's fantastic. She's gonna be the next senator once one of those two olds leave.

[Rich]

But I'm not a violent person. But if they settled more things with, like, cage matches, it would. I would, I would tune in.

[Tim]

Like, I mean, apparently back in the.

[Luke]

The young days of this country, there used to be fights on the Congress floor.

[Tim]

Can we get back to that? There used to be duels. I.

[Luke]

We said on a Hot Takes episode once. I said that dueling should be legal.

[Rich]

It'd be quicker.

[Tim]

Well, but, but are we. Are we dueling with today's weaponry or. Right, the weaponry of then. Because the weaponry of then, one round.

[Rich]

In the chamber, it's just with a new gun fighting each other.

[Tim]

Okay, so more people are going to die. Most people didn't die in duels because those guns didn't shoot straight. That was part of the reason. I mean, except for 15.

[Luke]

Except for Alexander Hamilton takes 15 paces. I'm betting not one of these. Fuck these geriatric pieces of shit could make that shot.

[Tim]

Well, could they walk 15.

[Rich]

The loud noise just knocks Mitch McConnell over and he just falls off.

[Tim]

Glitch.

[Luke]

McConnell's going right on his ass.

[Tim]

He's alive at this, at this event last week that I went to, somebody went into his office, I guess, and asked if he was still in the hospital and then took a picture flicking off the sign out front and posted it and got a good, good reaction out of it because He's a bad time.

[Rich]

So, guys, did you hear that? Trump is. Now he's won on the economy and he's reclaiming affordability. You heard about that, right?

[Zach]

Oh, yeah, 100.

[Luke]

Yeah, I read through the WhiteHouse.gov page the other day. Jesus Christ.

[Tim]

Did it. Was it written in marker and crayon?

[Luke]

No, it's written in propaganda that is Nazi Germany level.

[Tim]

I don't know.

[Luke]

If you guys haven't read it, you should go.

[Rich]

It's okay.

[Tim]

So I don't want to give them the clicks.

[Rich]

Yeah, no, I'm not gonna. So I was like, people don't feel it, and I know this. So I'm gonna pull some data because that's what I like to do.

[Zach]

I like data, but nerd.

[Luke]

Here comes a soliloquy.

[Tim]

But first.

[Rich]

No, no, I'm gonna. No, I'm gonna read you guys some numbers because this is mind blowing. But first, no, the. Like, the130,000 jobs that were, like, created. Like, let's wait for the revision now that we've Learned this lesson.

[Zach]

600,000.

[Rich]

But they say inflation is a little bit down and like, we had good GDP and, oh, now everything's fixed. I'm like, you know that people don't believe it because they don't feel it, right? They don't see it in their. In their bank account. So I pulled all of the numbers for a bag of groceries, and so this is what's in it, and I'll get through it real quick. Pound of ground beef, pound of whole bean coffee, a dozen eggs, a gallon of milk, a pound of cheddar cheese, three avocados, three bell peppers, a pound of chicken. Chicken breast, four cans of chili, and a box of Honey Nut Cheerios today. I know, right? So, like, that's a nice little. That's like a quick right? It's. That's a normal. Right? You can make some. Like there's, you know, make some. I don't know, like some guacamole or something in here. So that's a. Right now on average, that's a $56. Grocery. Grocery trip. That. Yeah, $56.

[Tim]

You live in a. You. This is average across the country. Don't forget.

[Rich]

I live in a city that's only 10 things, so. So 10 items and not a lot of anything. You know, one gallon of milk. It's not organic milk. It's not. It's not organic.

[Luke]

It doesn't get me through half a week.

[Rich]

So $56. In 2016, that was $40. And in 2006, that was $30. So just since 2006, like, remember 2006, like George W. Bush, like in our heads, you. We're still thinking if you, if we've been shopping for groceries that long, like I have and like, certainly Tim has. Gross.

[Tim]

Certainly not.

[Luke]

Luke have no memories of 2006.

[Rich]

2006, that was a normal. Like you, you got two, three bags of groceries. It's 20 to 30 bucks, maybe 40 bucks, depending what you get. Now it's 56 bucks. So then it was like, well, yeah, but what's, what are wages? So the, the very short version of this is that right now you have to work 40% more minimum wage hours than you did just in 2016 to pay for that same stuff. That is only 10 years. 40% more hours, good work, make America great again. That's because the minimum wage in 2006 was $5.15 an hour. But that adjusts to today to $8 an hour. And today the minimum wage is only 725 an hour. And so like you make less money and everything costs more. So 40%. I didn't even do the math on the 2006 numbers, but it's probably something like 100 some odd percent more hours.

[Zach]

So crazy.

[Rich]

That's what Trump doesn't get. And he never will because he still thinks groceries. Kind of an old fashioned word.

[Zach]

It's a fun word.

[Tim]

In short, not good, guys.

[Luke]

No, we're not winning.

[Tim]

We are not winning.

[Rich]

And people feel this. I just saw that 40% of people don't have a 401k. Like 40% of workers don't have a 401k. And he's like, the stock market's doing great and your house values are going up. I'm like, who are you talking to?

[Tim]

But it works, right? It works. Because the way he does that, I actually think this is something Democrats could take a page out of. Is like, if you're just cheerleading shit, even if it doesn't affect you just.

[Rich]

Brag about dumb shit. That means nothing.

[Tim]

Oh, man, the stock market's up. It's like, okay, yeah, you care about that, but does the person making 725 minimum wage? Certainly doesn't.

[Rich]

And they feel it and they're pissed. And when you go out and you say the economy is booming and they say, why is my savings account lower than it was a year ago? And you're telling me to my face that the economy's booming. I haven't gotten a raise in four years. Like, and by the way, millennials are getting PTSD from this because we all lived through the Great Recession. We remembered going three, four, five years where every day your boss called you into the office, you thought you were getting laid off. You didn't get a raise for the entirety of 2013 or 29, 2009 to 2013. Like, we hold this with us for the rest of our lives because of how strong we feel that. And so, yes, we are losing as a country, and specifically the working class and young voters are losing. The good news is sad good news, like Zach's style of good news. This pain is not something that you can talk somebody out of. You hold on to it for a very long time and it informs your political views for the rest of your life. So this is not going to go well for Trump. And he has absolutely no idea because the dow is over 50,000. Yeah, 49,500.

[Luke]

Actually, it's not under 50,000 anymore. I think that means we're allowed to investigate pedophiles again.

[Tim]

Oh, no, he's not gonna let that. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. The. The doubt. Like, no, no, he'll come up with some other excuse.

[Rich]

The S p is over $6,300, which makes it up.

[Tim]

Well, guys, I think it's time to turn. We haven't done one of these in a few weeks. And Luke said he was thinking of one and now I'm gonna filibuster first.

[Luke]

I've got one.

[Tim]

You got one. All right.

[Rich]

Yeah.

[Tim]

It's time, ladies and gentlemen. Get by Luke.

[Rich]

No, it's so good.

[Tim]

Brought to you by Luke.

[Luke]

All right, so I'd like to ask you all if you saw the video. This one is a two parter. There's two videos that I've seen in the last two weeks. One was of a middle aged white dude who drove by a high school protest, I think it was in Texas. And he got out of the car and it started intimidating these high schoolers, some of which were girls. They were out protesting ice and like he grabbed one of them and he.

[Tim]

Yeah, yes.

[Luke]

Proceeded to get his absolute rocked.

[Tim]

Yes.

[Luke]

I mean, 10 shades of out of him.

[Rich]

Yeah.

[Luke]

And the second video I would like to ask if you've seen is more recent. There was a walkout, I think it was in by Chicago.

[Tim]

Oh, I know what this is.

[Luke]

That they were walking out. And this is walking around with this ICE thing like a pro ICE died flyer. And he's, I support ice. I stand with law enforcement. And this kid walks up to him, he says, I'm gonna Hit you or I'm gonna punch you in the face. And the guy goes, well, you're gonna get in trouble for that. And the kid goes, okay. And rears back and just blocks this son of a. And I would like to invite both of those miserable pieces of. To get. Because I cannot imagine what a worthless life leave to intimidate and with children who are expressing their beliefs.

[Tim]

Well, the first guy did get charged with assault because he grabbed the girl. And literally the police were like. I mean kids, they all have phones. We've seen like 65 different angles. There's no. Like after that it was all self defense because he grabbed her like by. Around the, like around the neck or something. And then the kids gonna hurt him. The kids. Oh, oh. He was, he was going to. And. And it shocking to nobody, it did come out that he was a Trump supporter.

[Rich]

Oh, I mean who doesn't get it?

[Tim]

Knock you off your chair.

[Rich]

I was kind of on the fence, but I'm. I'm happy to learn that it wasn't our people attacking children.

[Tim]

You know, just like it. Just like it never is.

[Luke]

Not all Trump supporters, but it's always a Trump supporter.

[Rich]

But it's always a Trump supporter.

[Tim]

Well, guys, I think we are. Are good. I do want to. I want to. We're going to give. I want to give a little tease on something we're working on. We're not ready to fully announce it yet, but you know, I know a.

[Rich]

Lot of your results.

[Tim]

I could tell you. I got. All clear.

[Luke]

All clear. That's what we like to hear.

[Tim]

I'll be able to give you another update nine years from now.

[Rich]

Love the.

[Luke]

Don't worry, I'll. I'll wheel you out of the nursing home for it.

[Tim]

I'm gonna roll me out of the nursing home for yours. When you have to. When you have to do it anyways. Or now. I mean nursing home sounds. I mean if I get my own private space. That sounds kind of nice, right? You need it remote.

[Rich]

Like that's all I ever wanted.

[Tim]

Tv. Like I just stare. Anyways.

[Rich]

Bryce is right.

[Tim]

Anyways, let's go. So this is this transition.

[Rich]

Where are you going with this? I saw that was bad.

[Tim]

What I was trying to say was I know a lot of people are not interested in watching the State of the Union this year, which is on. Which is next Tuesday, which. So a week from when this drops. We're recording on Monday and we are doing a special State of the Union show from Washington D.C. live from 7pm until whenever this God awful is over. But the first two hours and we're going to announce some, we're going to have guests, we're going to have other creators that, you know, they're going to be politicians that are going to join us. The first two hours are going to be our version of the State of the Union where we tell you where the economy and all and things with ice and all of these things stand with people who actually know this stuff so that you are prepared by the time that Trump goes on and lies about all of it for entertainment value, the crew that is on right now is going to live react to Trump's State of the Union in which Zach actually had a very good question this morning. He's like, how the hell are we going to get through this? How is anyone going to hear him? Because we're just going to be screaming.

[Rich]

At him, lying and how much drinking is allowed?

[Tim]

Yeah, that did come up. Which, you know, and the answer was whatever you want. The first one has a different answer, but we'll figure that out. And then afterwards we're going to do like a 90 minute wrap. So we don't have a, we don't have it all set up yet. We'll, we'll announce it on, on Thursday's show, but want to give people a heads up. And so what you could do right now, we'll have a sign up sheet that you can sign up. So we remind you. But if you go subscribe to our YouTube channel, that will be the main place that it's broadcasted. So you just need to go at Find out podcast, YouTube.comind out podcast and subscribe because then you'll get notified when we go live too. So that's another way to be reminded and also it's a way for us to make money without making you give us any money, which is always our goal. We will not succeed at all the time, I'm sorry to tell you. But so, yeah, so that's our big announcement for that week. We'll have, we'll have some big names. I went and checked the space out last week when I was in dc, not at my colonoscopy and it's great. We're gonna have a real, real professional show. So we're really excited about that. So that probably means next week there will not be. Well, we might do a Tuesday show. We might be able to, we might be able to squeeze one in. We probably won't do a Thursday show because we will have the Wednesday night event in which we are going to be on camera for five hours. So if you stick with us, maybe you'll get to see one of us keel over at 4 or 5.

[Luke]

I'm gonna, I will be willing to.

[Tim]

Place a bet on what one of us keeling over. Oh, for sure. If you think it's me because I'm the oldest, you got something else coming soon.

[Zach]

That's the implication.

[Tim]

Is that the implication? It's about the implication. Yeah.

[Rich]

Okay. Okay, Dennis, I, I have a question for our listeners. The, the four who are still listening. What should our drink. Every time Trump says blank.

[Luke]

No, I'll die.

[Tim]

I'll die.

[Rich]

Yeah, no, no, I need, I need listene. Think of our livers, and I need our listeners to give us ideas. Like, what is the word that we are, you know, drinking to? We will decide if we comply, but I do want to hear people's. My brain was like, every time he doesn't say Epstein, take a drink. But then we would all be dead in the first, like, seven minutes because there's not a chance he's saying the name Epstein.

[Tim]

Or what if, what if there is a different word that each of us gets? And then.

[Zach]

Oh, that's interesting.

[Rich]

And then we all do a blood alcohol level check at the end and see.

[Tim]

Because if I, because I want Epstein because he. That will be said zero times.

[Rich]

Zero times. Right. Somebody's got to keep their. The greatest through this thing.

[Zach]

Greatest. Beautiful.

[Tim]

Beautiful. Yep.

[Rich]

Oh, that's bad.

[Zach]

Best. He likes Golden a lot.

[Tim]

What is the dog? What is the winning. Winning Spectacular Spectacular Radical for the radical.

[Luke]

Left is coming up a lot.

[Tim]

Socialists. What's the dog thing? He always says shot like a dog.

[Rich]

Or dead like a dog.

[Tim]

I don't think he'll say dog died.

[Luke]

Like, put him down like a dog.

[Rich]

Put him down like a dog. Like, it's always like, animals never petted.

[Tim]

A dog of life.

[Rich]

Yeah, well, exactly.

[Tim]

Do you think that guy's ever petted a dog?

[Zach]

No.

[Rich]

Every dog growls and runs when they, when they see a person like Trump. Like dogs, Dogs have that uncanny.

[Luke]

To bite anybody who looks like him.

[Tim]

Well, just, just, just get a doll and put an orange sponge on the top of it. You could train her how to, how to do that.

[Rich]

You give her a, you let her sniff the makeup jar of the, of the foundation he uses. And you're like, remember this smell? Oh, is that, you know, it's got like a.

[Zach]

Attacking a bunch of 80 year old women too.

[Tim]

I know, we're. Now we're getting some hate now.

[Rich]

No, no, I think this is a.

[Tim]

Good time to wrap. So, anyways, yes. We are doing a big State of the Union event on February 24th starting at 7:00pm Eastern Time. Go subscribe to our YouTube channel there on the, on the YouTubes.

[Rich]

Yeah.

[Tim]

And we'll be sending more. We'll be giving you more information about who's going to be on. You're going to know some of the names and all of that. So with that, I think we're going to wrap today. I think we've meandered on long enough and it's almost time for the next thing we have to do, which is talking about the State of Union thing. So thank you, everybody. Buy our merch. Of course. It's awesome. Subscribe. We'll talk to you later.