Dem campaign chair: defeating MAGA starts in the House

Summary

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The Find Out Podcast

Episode: Dem campaign chair: defeating MAGA starts in the House
Release Date: March 31, 2026
Host(s): Luke, Erin, Frank, Hank (Find Out Media & Studio71)
Guest: Rep. Suzanne DelBene (WA), Chair of the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee (DCCC)

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Episode Overview

This episode features an in-depth interview with Congresswoman Suzanne DelBene, who chairs the DCCC and is leading Democrats' efforts to retake the House in the 2026 midterms. The hosts and DelBene break down the challenge of flipping the House, strategies to combat MAGA tactics and voter suppression, and the importance of grassroots organizing, messaging, and volunteer action in swing districts. Following the interview, the hosts riff on Republican hypocrisy, voter fraud myths, gun control, influencer dynamics among right-wing personalities, and the contemporary protest movement.

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Key Interview Topics with Suzanne DelBene

The State of the House: A Microscopic Republican Majority

• 44 Seats in Play: Democrats need a net gain of three seats to take back the House majority.
  • “We have 44 seats that are in play. These are...districts we think we can flip from red to blue all across the country. We need to net three.” — DelBene (01:36)
• Wide Map: Battle for control stretches from Tennessee and Iowa to North Carolina, Pennsylvania, Michigan, and Arizona.

GOP Tactics: Redistricting and Suppression

• GOP "Rigging":
  • “They know they're losing. Instead of listening to people...they've decided to try to rig the system, change maps...change voting rights across the country.” — DelBene (01:59)
• Fighting Back:
  • Despite Republican gerrymandering (notably in Texas), “people’s voices have been incredibly strong...Democrats running ahead, we've flipped 30 state House seats [in specials], Republicans have flipped zero.” — DelBene (04:18)

Texas: Is the GOP Overreaching?

• Although Trump called for five red Texas seats, redistricting led to less-safe districts for some Republicans and new opportunities for Dems.
  • “Even in places where there might have been more of a Republican leaning district. Those advantages...have been swept away because people are souring on the Republican agenda.” — DelBene (06:33)
• “We have great candidates that are authentic and independent minded. American people and the people of Texas are disgusted with what they see coming from the Republican Party.” — DelBene (06:33)

Messaging That Wins

• Affordability is Key:
  • “Number one issue across the country is affordability—housing, food, health care, childcare, energy costs—all going up directly because of actions taken by Trump or Republicans.” — DelBene (09:06)
• Tailored Messaging:
  • Specifics matter: in Iowa, “farmers...have been hurt tremendously by actions of the administration—tariffs, cost inputs, market access, workforce” (09:06)
• Candidates Must Be Local:
  • “Having candidates who understand [local issues] and are speaking directly about these issues...makes all the difference.” — DelBene (09:06)

What Happens If Dems Regain the House?

• Legislative Authority:
  • “The House is definitely a majority driven body...when you have the gavels...you really have a lot of authority on what comes to the floor...subpoena power...” — DelBene (14:37)
  • Ability to force floor votes, oversight, and public questioning of Trump officials: “That will be so important to holding the administration accountable." — DelBene (14:37)
• Reality Check on Expectations: Even a sweep won’t override the veto or filibuster. But House control equals real oversight and agenda-setting.

Accountability and Subpoena Power

• Asked whom she’d subpoena:
  • “RFK Jr.—let him explain why he no longer cares about science and facts and data.” — DelBene (16:18)
  • “Healthcare...impacts everyone...trade and tariffs...what authority they think they have is a big one.” — DelBene (16:18)

Grassroots Participation: What Can Listeners Do?

• Support Swing Districts:
  • “If you live in a swing district...support, volunteer, get out the vote.” — DelBene (19:17)
• Red to Blue Program:
  • DCCC site lists top “frontline” incumbents and “red to blue” offensive targets.
• Have Real Conversations:
  • “If we just talk to each other, we'll find out there's a lot more opportunity for us to come together.” — DelBene (19:17)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “People across the country hate [vote rigging and suppression].” — DelBene (01:59)
• “They try to go about this kind of attempt to change the system, but people’s voices have been incredibly strong...they should be careful of that.” — DelBene (04:18)
• On talking across the aisle:
  • “While someone might say they're a Democrat or Republican, barriers go up...but we agreed on a lot more than he thought.” — DelBene (19:17)
• On post-interview:
  • “It’s rare to hear a campaign chair not use canned responses for once. She’s actually a get shit done behind-the-scenes person.” — Erin (25:00)
• On dangerous GOP rhetoric:
  • “With Marjorie Taylor Greene, some magical gift of luck—she kind of took herself off that [worst Republican] list, but her and Boebert...they’re always at the top.” — Frank (29:20)
• On protest efficacy:
  • “If you got to make a sign, if you got to just go see people who are sane on the street to stay in this, that is absolutely a win... Even if it’s not like, yeah, it’s not changing policy tomorrow, but it is going to change policy when the time comes.” — Frank (51:09)
• On right-wing influencer drama:
  • “Elon spent $40 billion to make sure he could message a couple hundred million people.” — Hank (34:09)
  • “Don’t try to be the manager of the internet and get something taken down. You just add fuel to the fire." — Frank (37:20)
• “I do wish it were more lucrative to swim than to hate trans people. In hindsight, that would be better.” — Frank, on Riley Gaines controversy (61:25)

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Additional Segment Breakdowns and Timestamps

01:00 – 22:29: Interview with Congresswoman Suzanne DelBene

• Dem priorities, GOP voter suppression, grassroots involvement, candidate quality
• What control of the House means and oversight powers
• Encouragement for activism, donations, and neighbor-to-neighbor conversations

25:00 – 31:00: Post-Interview Host Breakdown

• DelBene’s unique value as a campaign chair (“she does the work”)
• Emphasizing the importance of infrastructure and early donations for flipping seats

31:00 – 46:45: Messaging, GOP Hypocrisy, and Voter Fraud Myths

• Hosts dissect Republican talking points on guns vs. voting
  • E.g., “It’s harder to buy cold meds than a gun in 30 states.”
• Exposes the fallacies and racial dog whistles underlying voter suppression efforts
• “There are more unregistered guns being sold in parking lots than actual cases of voter fraud.” — Multiple hosts

46:45 – 48:30: On the Power of Protest

• Debunking cynicism about mass action
• Noting the historical significance and impact of millions protesting under the ‘No Kings’ banner

53:10 – End: Darker Realities & Final Riffs

• Worsening humanitarian crises under Trump’s second term (ICE, medical neglect)
• Outrage over “lawless” war rhetoric and the cyclical creation of new foreign enemies
• Takedown of right-wing grifters, especially anti-trans influencers
• Wrap-up: plugging donations for targeted House races, community action, and next episode tease

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Useful Timestamps

• 01:36 — “Three seats to the majority”: DelBene outlines the path to victory
• 04:18 — “We’ve flipped 30 state House seats in specials”: evidence of momentum
• 09:06 — Top motivating issue: “Affordability, everywhere”
• 14:37 — What House majority actually means
• 16:18 — Subpoenas as accountability: who DelBene would grill
• 19:17 — Grassroots action, persuasion, and DelBene’s swing-district door story
• 25:00 — Hosts unpack DelBene’s approach and fund-raising breakdown
• 29:13 — Which Republicans the hosts most want to see gone (Boebert, Chip Roy, Andy Ogles, etc.)
• 34:09 — The impact of right-wing social media grift and influence drama
• 51:09 — The role and value of mass protest despite cynicism
• 53:10 — On the importance of first-time activism and protest community
• 61:25 — The Riley Gaines/anti-trans grift controversy as evidence of right-wing incentive structures

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Summary Takeaways

• The Battle for the House is National and Local: Winning means fighting gerrymandering, voter suppression, and crafting messages that connect at the district level, especially around affordability.
• Activism Matters: Voter conversations, protests, and donations to vetted candidates make tangible differences, especially in swing districts.
• Oversight Is on the Ballot: Even without filibuster-proof majorities, retaking the House shifts what legislation and investigations are possible.
• Right-Wing Tactics are About Power, Not Principle: The Save Act and voter fraud claims are camouflage for targeted voter suppression, and gun loopholes are intentionally ignored.
• Movement Energy is Growing: Grassroots activism, from protest to local donor networks, is the core bulwark against MAGA authoritarianism.

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Action Items for Listeners:

• Donate to DCCC Red to Blue and local swing-district campaigns
• Volunteer in (or for) competitive House races
• Have real talks with undecided or wavering voters in your network
• Stay engaged: protest, organize, and keep up the pressure!

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Find all resources, donation links, and show notes at findoutpodcast.com and in the episode description.

Transcript

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[Podcast Host Luke]

Hey everybody. Welcome back to the Find out podcast. We have a great guest for you today. We have Washington Congresswoman and Chair of the Democratic Congressional Campaign committee. Congresswoman Suzanne DelBene is with us today. Congresswoman, thank you for joining us.

[Congresswoman Suzanne DelBene]

Absolutely. Great to be here.

[Podcast Host Luke]

So you are one of the most important people in the Democratic Party in making sure that we retake the house in 2026. 1. How is it? Well, where does it start with? How are you feeling about it?

[Podcast Host Erin]

And.

[Podcast Host Luke]

And just give us a little insight into where we are right now and what people can do to help.

[Congresswoman Suzanne DelBene]

Absolutely. So yes, my job is to make sure we take back the majority in the House. Take back those gavels. We need three more seats. Republicans have a microscopic majority right now. People may forget that we actually picked up seats last cycle. We picked up two seats. We need three more to take back the majority in the gavels. We to get there. We have 44 seats that are in play. These are, we call them districts in play. 44 seats. We think we can flip from red to blue all across the country. We need to net three. So we've got to keep the folks that we have in vulnerable districts and we need to pick up three or more to take back the majority. And it's all across the country. It's from Tennessee and Iowa to North Carolina and Pennsylvania and Michigan and Arizona all across the country I am confident, but I also have my healthy paranoia about all the things they're doing to try to rig the system because they know they're losing. And so instead of listening to people and talking about issues that people care about, they've decided to try to rig the system, change maps across the country, to change voting rights across the country. And so we're continuing to fight back because people across the country hate that.

[Podcast Host Frank]

I think we know, I know that there's, there's always two conversations when it comes to winning elections, right? There's the, the, the party conversation which is always like, don't ever be too confident and like, let's not, let's not imply that we have it in the bag. And then there's the outsider conversation, which when I look at every trend in history and when I look at the polls, when I look at what's happening in the special elections in, in November, I'm hoping for like a 30 to 40 votes seat swing, not, not a three seat swing. I know that nobody will say that, but what's clear to me is they know that. Everybody knows that. Like everybody knows this, which is why we're seeing things like, you know, Steve, Stephen Vann and talking about ice at polling places and like trying to drip out all of the different things that they're going to do, either to scare people so they think they might be at risk if they go vote or things they actually do think that they can do to keep people from showing up and voting, obviously attacks on mail and ballots and that kind of thing. How are you thinking about planning for all of those impossible outcomes that might be on the table? Like there's like 10,000 things that they could do to sow chaos, to stop the House from, from flipping, to stop the inevitable.

[Congresswoman Suzanne DelBene]

We have to be ready for anything. I'm ready for everything they're throwing at us. They decided, you know, Trump called the Republican Republicans in Texas and said, give me five seats. And we fought back, we fought back across the country, California with Prop 50, people in Virginia are voting actually right now. But across the country, people stood up because they think they should pick their representatives, not let politicians pick their voters. That's what we're seeing happening. People, even the people of Texas hate that. But they never got a vote or a chance to have a say. They're continuing to try to redistrict in Florida. They're trying to attack the Voting Rights act and there's a case at the Supreme Court depending on that, how that turns out we might see them try to do redistricting more. But I can tell you, even with what they've done in Texas, people are outraged, they're angry. They've even given us opportunities to pick up seats in Texas. So while they try to go about this kind of attempt to change the system, people's voices have been incredibly strong. And you've seen that in special elections already this cycle. Since November of 2024, Democrats running ahead, we've flipped 30 state House seats. In special elections, Republicans have flipped zero. And sometimes the swings have been huge, you know, 32 point swings or more because people are so angry. So they, they should be careful of that. But we are going to fight back and use all the tools we have because we know they know they're losing and they're going to continue to try to, to do whatever they can to make it tougher folks to vote.

[Podcast Host Luke]

So Congresswoman, you mentioned Texas briefly and we all know the story about how Donald Trump called and said give me five seats and they did that. But in order to, and so the, the assumption out there is that that is a net gain for Republicans. But looking at some of those maps and seeing how some of those dark, dark red districts actually ended up getting a lot less red because you have to put the Democrats somewhere. What, what are you and the party thinking about in Texas? Like, it sounds like those 5 gains are, are no givens at this point.

[Congresswoman Suzanne DelBene]

Not at all. Because one, we have great folks standing up to run. Frankly, all across the country, people feel a patriotic calling to make a difference and stand up to represent their community. So we have great candidates that are authentic and independent minded. The American people and the people of Texas are, are disgusted with what they see coming from the Republican Party. They want folks are going to stand up for them, not be a rubber stamp for Donald Trump. Even many Republicans, kind of traditional Republicans want folks are going to stand up and do their jobs as their representatives, not again, just be blindly loyal to the executive. And so we have great opportunities because of that. Even in places where, where there might have been more of a Republican leaning district. Those advantages they have have been swept away because people are souring on the Republican agenda. And again, great candidates talking about the issues that matter, who want to go to D.C. to represent their communities. That's how we win, even in swing districts in Texas.

[Podcast Host Luke]

And what are you hearing from folks across the country? Because obviously you're, you know, as the chair of the, of as we would say in the party, the D trip, the D triple, the D triple C. Is it a singular message that is working across the country or is it a mix and match of things? Because I think it's important for our audience. As you know, we want them to be talking to their friends and family. Like what are the messages that are really resonating? Because you're talking about big swings here. I think you're talking about that state senate district in Texas where the candidate was outspent something like 5 to 1 and did a 32 point swing. There was also the, this is a fun one. The one the Mar a Lago district in Florida maybe, which nobody expected a House, a house race.

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[Podcast Host Erin]

So what, what is working and what

[Podcast Host Luke]

do we need to keep hammering home to make sure that we are, you know, netting more like 30 to 40 seats rather than just the three we need for the majority?

[Congresswoman Suzanne DelBene]

Well, the number one issue across the country is affordability. Families are struggling in every corner of the costs for housing, food, health care, childcare, energy costs, all going up and all going up directly because of actions taken by Trump or Republicans in Congress. People are feeling that everywhere. While that is true all across the country, how people talk about it and the specifics and the impact in their region makes a big difference. Candidates. For example, we have two great candidates in Iowa who Christina Bohannon and Sarah Trungariot who are running to flip seats in Iowa. Farmers are just have been hurt tremendously by the actions of the administration. Tariffs have raised costs. Cost of fertile potash, a big component of fertilizer, comes from Canada. When you put those tariffs on Canada, you raise the cost of fertilizer, you make the inputs into farming more expensive and then you make their access to markets more difficult because other countries not wanting to buy goods from the US if there are tariffs against them and then you put in place ICE and policies that have impacted their workforce. So you talk if you're in Iowa talking about the impact on farmers, it's about affordability, it's about but you want to talk about how it's specific to that region. That's true across the country. In all our swing districts and is understanding what's happening on the ground in those communities. And remember, the House map is in many cases pieces of states all over the country. And so having candidates who understand that and are speaking directly about these issues, that makes all the difference.

[Podcast Host Luke]

Well, the congresswoman clearly did her research because she just referenced Iowa twice. I wonder why. I wonder how that came up.

[Podcast Host Hank]

I am from Iowa and I've been doing my level best to stoke some anger. I mean, frankly, they've been getting fucked. They've had terrible things happen to them for the last year now. I mean, practically every decision he's made has hurt their lives in some way or another. And they're angry and they're ready to vote in November. But the question I hear most often is, well, what are they going to do when they win? So I could use an answer. What are you guys going to do when you win?

[Congresswoman Suzanne DelBene]

You know, also an important question, and I will say that Christina Bohannon, who is running to flip a seat in Iowa, she only lost flipping that seat last cycle. She ran last cycle, she lost by 799 votes. I want to tell you how close that was in 2024 when you didn't, when actually she outperformed the top of the ticket to get there. And so just to give you a sense of how close it is, but to your point, on what we do, it's about talking about what we can do to actually address the issues people are facing. Affordability is a great example. Tariffs, tariffs need to go through Congress. The executive doesn't get to put sweeping tariffs in place and change his mind in a moment because he doesn't like an ad that's running during, you know, World Series and so decides to put new, new, new tariffs in place on Canada. We've got to talk about congressional authority making sure that we have the say on tariffs, that we are lowering costs there. We need to talk about health care. You heard the fight. They've, they've done so much damage to health care, making sure that Medicaid is strong, undoing the damage they've done there. The tax credits for the Affordable Care act, people's health care is skyrocketing. Another example of how important it is and that the policies that we put in place, tax policy, a good example, is focused on working families, not on the wealthy. And the well connected. One policy I'm a huge supporter of is the expanded child tax credit. When we had that in place, we were able to cut childhood poverty across the country just in that first year. Almost in half. Imagine what we can do when we invest in our communities and help our communities to thrive. So there's some examples there. And I think when you talk to candidates on the ground, they will each talk about the specific things that they think are important to put us on a better track and to help the communities they're looking to serve.

[Podcast Host Frank]

I have a quick follow up on that because I feel like it's almost a trap that, you know, you can take something in the midterms and the disaffected voter says, well, Democrats have the House now, why isn't everything better? I, so I think, you know, let's you look at the best case scenario. Best, best, best case scenario for the midterms Democrats, let's say we win 40 seats in the House and we take the Senate, which would be crazy and amazing. We're obviously not going to have a filibuster proof majority in the Senate. We're not going to have an impeach and convict sized majority in the House and the Senate. And so we're still going to run up against the veto. And so that's why I wanted to take a minute to reference. You talked about like the chairs, the committee chairs, just, just in the two year gap, let's say we don't even, we can't get the Senate, but if we win the House, can you tell us what kind of authority is in the hands when of Democrats, when you have the, the speaker of the House on your side and when you have the committee chairs, like suddenly Donald Trump can't just push things through on a party line vote, right?

[Congresswoman Suzanne DelBene]

Absolutely. First of all, the House is definitely a majority driven body and that the, when you have the gavels, the speaker gavel and the committee gavels, you really have a lot of authority on what comes to the floor, whether or not legislation even gets a vote. You saw even most recently the, you know, the funding package that went through the Senate on Homeland security for, for FEMA and for TSA and for Coast Guard. They wouldn't even allow us a vote on it on the floor. That shows you what happened. So having Democrats in charge means that we get to make sure bills get on the floor, that we could, for example, challenge the tariffs that Donald Trump put in place because we could stand up and get legislation through and make sure that Republicans who say they care to have to vote on it, not just talk and do nothing. But we also have subpoena power. That means calling people in to testify in committees, making sure that cabinet officials have to actually Explain what they're doing. You know, we very rarely do you see them coming up and getting tough questions. There's been lots more kind of back room, closed door conversations as opposed to having them in front of committees answering tough questions and letting the public hear. That's critically important. Oversight and subpoena power are a key part of having those gavels and that will be so important to holding the administration accountable.

[Podcast Host Frank]

That's how Kristi Noem found herself out of a job, is by accidentally saying so.

[Podcast Host Hank]

So follow up question on that. If you had to pick one person to subpoena and one question to ask

[Podcast Host Luke]

them, what would it be?

[Congresswoman Suzanne DelBene]

Well, there's a lot. I'm on the Ways and Means committee, so I start looking at, on the Ways and Means committee lens and, and the issues that we bring up. But healthcare, trade for me, trade and tariffs and what authority they think they have is a big one. But healthcare, which impacts everyone across the country, a huge issue. Affordability issue, but also issue that all of us can relate to. I think having RFK Jr. In him, they can explain why he no longer cares about science and facts and data. Health care for our communities, vaccines. That'd be a great place to start.

[Podcast Host Luke]

Well, and I saw that. I don't know if people saw this, but there's a report out that they actually can't find somebody to be the next CDC director because nobody, no medical professional worth anything will go work for them. So now we just don't have a director of the cdc, which, you know, there could be another, you know, another virus or other types of things that like anybody that has any sort of professional science background or medical background is just, they're not going to do it.

[Podcast Host Frank]

So they say you quit your boss, not your, your job. Right. Well, is the, is the boss who everybody's preemptively quitting. They don't even want to apply for the job.

[Congresswoman Suzanne DelBene]

Well, and also remember that it's, you can do damage really quickly, but it's hard to put it back together. And it kind of goes back to what you were saying. If you, if you, if we lose a lot of great researchers who are doing important work on that next breakthrough in health care that could help so many. If we lose those researchers, it will take us more time to help get researchers going again. That's where I started my career doing biomedical research. These are long term investments that have given us an incredible return and they are undermining it and it is going to take time for us to put it back together. And I think it is important for folks to understand just how, how great that damage has been. If a rural hospital closes, it's not just going to open up again later. And so I think the public is seeing that too. And that's critically important.

[Podcast Host Luke]

So, so Congresswoman, I know we've got to get you out of here because you've got another meeting. But you know, I am so glad you brought up the medical stuff and the fact that, you know, we've got measles spreading across the country now and all. There's all kinds of damaging things. So with that, we obviously need, you know, you've outlined, I think, 44 seats that you think are gettable. So what you know, we have actually set up a donation page which we'll put in the show notes below. But we have your, your red to Blue, your 12 districts that are the most likely to move from, from red to blue. We have a donation form for people on our site to go on and donate through Act Blue so that we make sure we fund these things. But what, what should people be doing right now to make the biggest impact that they can have to help you flip as many seats as possible?

[Congresswoman Suzanne DelBene]

Well, first of all, if you live in a swing district, either one where you have a Democratic representative who is, we call them our frontliners, our incumbents who are in tough reelects, we have a list of those up on our website, dccc.org dcc.org you can give them your support, make sure you are volunteering and helping to get out the vote. Then the districts were on offense. We also have those listed. And when we start to know who the candidates are in those districts, we those are red to blue candidates. So we'll continue to keep that updated as we go through the cycle. But you know, our vote is our voice. So everything you can do to help get out the vote, talk to people. There are many more things we agree on sometimes than people realize. And in swing districts, people don't always see that. While someone might say they're a Democrat or Republican, barriers go up. And I always come back to a conversation I had when I was first running in a swing district where I first started in a very conservative rural part of my community, knocking on a door and talking to a gentleman who kind of rejected me at first and said, oh, you're a Democrat, I'm a Republican. And he said, so I wouldn't vote for you. And I said why? And that one question of why, just wanting to have him explain. And he talked about health care because the ACA he said the ACA is going to hurt my health care. And I said, well, I'd love to understand why too. Do you think we should cover pre existing conditions? And he said, well, yes, we should do that. And I said do you think we should let kids stay on their parents plan till they're 26? And he said yes. And we kept talking and it turns out we agreed on a lot more than he thought going into that conversation. And I want folks to, yes, there are folks who have very extreme views, but there are a lot of people who, if we just talk to each other, we'll find out there's a lot more, a lot more opportunity there for us to come together and a lot more opportunity for us to come together and make sure we are electing folks who want to go to D.C. to actually do the job of standing up for their community. Communities.

[Podcast Host Luke]

Yeah, I think you're right. I think honestly, like this Trump administration has been so devastatingly terrible that those conversations are easier to have right now because I think there is a segment, maybe it's not a huge segment, but it's a segment of folks that I think if, if message to correctly we can get back. So I'm, I, I'm so glad that you mentioned that folks should do that take, to take the time to talk to their friends one more time and see, see if that's, if there's a door open there. But Congresswoman, you've been very grateful with your time. I know we're a few minutes over. I really appreciate your taking the time to talk to us. Congresswoman Suzanne Delbene from Washington. Everybody go to the DCC.org site, donate all the money or go to our page that we've set up for you. Let's make sure that the congresswomen and the team have the resources that they need to make sure that we're flipping closer to 40 than to three. So Congresswoman, thank you again and thank you for all you're doing to try to stop this insanity. With what? Whatever you can.

[Congresswoman Suzanne DelBene]

Thank you so much. We're going to get there, but we got to work hard.

[Podcast Host Luke]

Absolutely. We're with you. So. All right, thank you very much. We'll be in touch soon.

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[Congresswoman Suzanne DelBene]

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[Podcast Host Erin]

Alright guys, welcome back. I can't lie.

[Podcast Host Luke]

I moved this.

[Podcast Host Erin]

This did not just we did not record this right after talking to the congresswoman. But you know, we are, we are back.

[Podcast Host Luke]

She was great.

[Podcast Host Erin]

I didn't actually know her before.

[Podcast Host Frank]

She's a good guess. That was a good guess. No, really good conversation. You expect like canned responses. You know sometimes when you talk especially with people who are invest like who are not just elected officials but they're in the campaign side motion, they're in the fundraising motion. Like very very tight talking points usually.

[Podcast Host Erin]

Well, my understanding of of the congresswoman is that she is much more of a like get shit done person behind the scenes. That's why you don't see much like her that often. But she's actually doing the work and I I feel good because sometimes these sort of D. The DCCC or the D S, cc, which is the Senate side, a lot of times people do. They want that job for clout and they don't do the work. But she clearly is doing it. And I think the fact that she. They've identified. She say 44 senior seats.

[Podcast Host Frank]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host Erin]

Which is massive. And that's why we have that donation link in the comments below or in the descriptions, which is their red to Blue. There's 11 of the most gettable seats. So if you go on to that, and let's say you give $11, each one of them will get a dollar and. Or if you give a hundred, you could do the math on that as well. And so this is the time to do it, guys, because this is the time to build infrastructure for them to understand, like, how much money that they can spend. So doing this money now put. Making sure these seats are winnable means that there are more seats down the line that are also in reach. Because if we can lock these in, you know, we could start playing on those. Those ones in the 20, 30 and 40 range.

[Podcast Host Frank]

So that's, that's, that's one question that we didn't have time for, unfortunately. But we have enough wild cards coming into this election cycle. It's like 12,000 wild cards on the table. But one of them, or even one more is the, the fact that, like, there are districts that we would never have, like, we would never have a realistic shot of getting that are maybe getting opened up now because of the, the Republicans, redistricting, spreading themselves so thin.

[Podcast Host Erin]

Right.

[Podcast Host Frank]

That's an additional thing where it's like, do you guys have money set aside or district circle that if they water this down enough? You know, you look at like Palm Springs where, where Mar A Lago is, right? It's in Palm Springs. Wait, no, not Palm Springs.

[Podcast Host Erin]

That's in California.

[Podcast Host Frank]

What's the other.

[Podcast Host Erin]

Oh, my God. What? Oh, shit. Why are we so bad at this? I know where that is. You keep going, I'll look at it.

[Podcast Host Frank]

Someone's going to. Someone from Palm Springs is going to be like, you stupid bastard.

[Podcast Host Hank]

You're a idiot.

[Podcast Host Frank]

Fucking doesn't even know his geography anyway. Yeah, so, like winning the Mar.

[Podcast Host Erin]

Palm beach.

[Podcast Host Frank]

Palm Beach, 50%.

[Podcast Host Erin]

You know what?

[Podcast Host Hank]

I didn't even look it up.

[Podcast Host Erin]

I just got it as I was googling. I was like, what? Yeah, anyways, so I got an F

[Podcast Host Frank]

on that, like 40% accuracy, but I'll still take it better than a zero. But no, there are districts like that where if they further water those districts down, we could. We could swoop in and win as long as someone's paying attention. The way that you do that, though, is again, they have to have enough money to be generous with their money and. And fund. Fund everybody, which is the same. Same thing with Talarico in the Senate in Texas. You know, it's going to be so expensive. Like, they just need money so that they can make the safe decision to dump it on Tal.

[Podcast Host Erin]

Well, and I think that they're gonna. I think they learned a lot from 24 and, like, what we spent our money on. You know, we had a $2 billion campaign that we went backwards with Jack on.

[Podcast Host Luke]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host Erin]

And I mean, look like that wasn't. I don't want to. I am not a blame Kamala. I think she was set up to fail, to be perfectly honest.

[Podcast Host Hank]

But.

[Podcast Host Erin]

But now, like, they're doing, like, all of these guys are coming on our shows. All these guys are reaching out to influencers. I think they're actually spending their money more effectively now than they were or efficiently than they were in 24. So, like, that dollars actually are going to go further.

[Podcast Host Frank]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host Erin]

And I think I'm. And I'm so pissed. I just thought of it now. I had a question for her. She never would have answered it, but I wanted to be like, who's the Republican you want to see go the most?

[Podcast Host Frank]

Oh, yeah.

[Podcast Host Erin]

But I'm going to pose it to you guys, and I'll answer it, too. Who is the one? You only can pick one. Who is the guy or woman?

[Podcast Host Frank]

Does it have to be realistic?

[Podcast Host Erin]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host Hank]

Can it be like. Does it have to be like a real thing?

[Podcast Host Erin]

No, because it's going to be too difficult to mask. But, like, if you could pick one person to not have power that they have right now. How about that?

[Podcast Host Hank]

Lauren Blobert.

[Podcast Host Erin]

Okay.

[Podcast Host Hank]

I hate her. Yeah, I hate her.

[Podcast Host Erin]

Yep. A lot.

[Podcast Host Hank]

Okay.

[Podcast Host Frank]

Yeah. You know, with. With Marjorie Taylor Greene, some mad, but some magical gift of luck. I don't know if that's the right expression, but the fact that she's like, kind of take. Taking herself off of that list. I mean, obviously she retired or stepped step down, but she and Bobert are always at the top of the list. But, you know, I don't want to sound sexist, so I was going to look up a quick list of all

[Podcast Host Hank]

of the worst Johnson just to make sure that he could go, because we. Yeah, we. So we take the majority.

[Podcast Host Frank]

He's going to be unemployed here, you know.

[Podcast Host Hank]

God, I'd Fucking love that.

[Podcast Host Erin]

Oh. So my take on Lauren Boebert is that she is a moron. And we can deal with morons, but it's dangerous. But it's the dangerous, like, sneaky, smart Mitch McConnell types, right? Who is no idiot. And we.

[Podcast Host Hank]

I don't want. I don't want Mitch McConnell to lose his job. That's, like, not far enough for me.

[Podcast Host Luke]

Oh, I understand.

[Podcast Host Erin]

No, I understand.

[Podcast Host Hank]

Some. Somebody needs to throw his ring into Mount Doom already.

[Podcast Host Erin]

Well, I don't get his last. Have you seen the video footage?

[Podcast Host Hank]

Can't have much left.

[Podcast Host Erin]

He can't walk anymore.

[Podcast Host Hank]

But I. I gotta Chip Roy.

[Podcast Host Frank]

I'm gonna.

[Podcast Host Erin]

Okay, So I do hate Chip Roy. So I.

[Podcast Host Frank]

Get him the fuck out of here.

[Podcast Host Erin]

I had two guys that I was struggling with who made headlines recently. One is Randy Fine.

[Podcast Host Hank]

Ooh, I hate that motherfucker, too.

[Podcast Host Frank]

There's so many.

[Podcast Host Erin]

And the other one was Andy Ogle. Andy Ogles was my other one.

[Podcast Host Hank]

Yeah, fuck Andy Ogles.

[Podcast Host Erin]

So both of those guys have made horribly bigoted statements towards Muslims. And actually, what was the thing, Luke? They were. They wanted to treat dogs better than Muslim. What was that thing?

[Podcast Host Hank]

Well, they. They ran amok with this idea that in Muslim faith, dogs are treated or that there's a choice between having a dog and living or something. And he. He was like, I would rather have the dog than have any Muslim people alive. Was like, jesus.

[Podcast Host Erin]

And then.

[Podcast Host Hank]

What the. Is wrong.

[Podcast Host Erin]

And then Ogle said essentially all Muslims

[Podcast Host Luke]

should get out because they are.

[Podcast Host Erin]

They are incapable of quote, unquote, assimilating.

[Podcast Host Hank]

Assimilating.

[Podcast Host Erin]

Which, by the way, the last time

[Podcast Host Luke]

I checked, there is no law on assimilation like this.

[Podcast Host Hank]

Also, last time I checked, the Nazis love that word too.

[Podcast Host Frank]

Well, they're so obsessed with assimilation, dude. I don't want Big Macs for every meal.

[Podcast Host Erin]

Because they can't. Because they can't say, kick the brown people out.

[Podcast Host Frank]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host Erin]

So they say that word instead, which most of their people don't even know what that means.

[Podcast Host Frank]

Come here and be like white people.

[Podcast Host Hank]

Right?

[Podcast Host Frank]

Then we can say, wow, you're really well spoken for a brown person. Like, that's, like, their dream scenario, right?

[Podcast Host Erin]

They don't want any brown people. Right.

[Podcast Host Hank]

Our Get Angry Facebook page has a guy who's now commented three times, if they're illegal, kill them all. Which is just like. That's the kind of people that come out when you have elected politicians that say, get rid of them all.

[Podcast Host Erin]

Are you flagging those for hate speech? Oh, yeah. Okay, good. Just checking. I mean, not that. Not that Facebook Has a great record with dealing with this because they absolutely don't.

[Podcast Host Frank]

But they just reward the engagement. They're like, thank you for commenting.

[Podcast Host Erin]

Well, did you see that they, they and YouTube got just like, they lost this massive judgment in. Was it New New Mexico that basically said that both of them were deliberately, they had built their platforms to deliberately get kids addicted to social platforms. So yeah, I, I mean, as.

[Podcast Host Frank]

They should subscribe to us on YouTube

[Podcast Host Erin]

still, please do we actually need them?

[Podcast Host Hank]

Especially if you're under 18. We're trying to change.

[Podcast Host Frank]

No, don't say that.

[Podcast Host Erin]

I don't know if we're saying. I don't know if we. I don't know if we say that. No, just, just, just, just. Yeah, we. Look, the other part of this is, yes, we do not like these platforms, but we have to play on them or they will dominate the conversation. So like, yes, we can shit on these, these apps and these, you know, the business behind them and also understand that we have to play on those places otherwise we don't reach anybody.

[Podcast Host Hank]

Well, the thing is, if you leave them, you look, you get up, you get with a Twitter thing where it's like, oh yeah, here's a right wing playground where everything you say is right wing.

[Podcast Host Erin]

I. No, I go on there every once in a while and I just.

[Podcast Host Hank]

It is hell on earth.

[Podcast Host Erin]

It is so it's awful. And I like, don't, like, I didn't engage with those people. They still shove it in front of you because there's not enough of the other stuff.

[Podcast Host Hank]

So in the algorithm.

[Podcast Host Frank]

Yeah, that's all.

[Podcast Host Erin]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, Elon, like, I mean, he is basically 50% of X himself.

[Podcast Host Hank]

Yeah, well, the crate.

[Podcast Host Erin]

Yeah, that's. Which is deliberate.

[Podcast Host Hank]

Anytime he doesn't turn himself up on his posts, he gets less engagement than the three of us.

[Podcast Host Frank]

Yep.

[Podcast Host Hank]

And then every once in a while there's a post that's got like, oh, this has 176 million views.

[Podcast Host Erin]

I wonder why the discourse is also. It's not that I disagree with. I mean, I do disagree with it, but it's also just dumb. Like their takes are dumb. They're not even like creative. I don't know. Can you say creative racism? That's not what I mean.

[Podcast Host Hank]

You ever see that? Never woke guy.

[Podcast Host Frank]

Original? Always. It's not a.

[Podcast Host Hank]

That dude's dumber than a sack full.

[Podcast Host Erin]

Is he the one that wears the maga hat on?

[Podcast Host Hank]

Jesus Christ. Yes, he is stupid as fuck.

[Podcast Host Luke]

Oh, those guys are just.

[Podcast Host Erin]

I mean, but like, Elon Musk basically spent $40 billion to make sure that he could message a couple hundred million people. Which I guess worked, but.

[Podcast Host Hank]

It worked.

[Podcast Host Erin]

But anyways. Yeah, go ahead. Sorry.

[Podcast Host Hank]

It just makes me. Every time I talk about right wing influencers, all I think about is that dude that got on there after Charlie Kirk died just in a public, Public fucking parking lot screaming and crying about he was going to be the next president and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And I always wonder, how much money did that guy make? Because there's no. I don't think there's a single left wing person that I would get online and cry about publicly.

[Podcast Host Erin]

Well, the only thing is we now know a bunch of these people personally. So like, you know, maybe, maybe. I mean, but like, but like he

[Podcast Host Hank]

doesn't know Charlie Kirk is not my thing.

[Podcast Host Erin]

No, like, look, like when a politician passes away that I, like, I'm not going to go on my, on my phone and cry about it. Probably, but you know, maybe. Depends. I know some of them, but. But yeah, it's just weird. And also, speaking of Charlie Kirk, did you hear the latest drum drama between Erica and Candace Owens? Oh, God, no. So apparently Erica released audio of Charlie Kirk saying that he wanted. I don't know what the. I don't know the context because I'm not paying that close attention, but apparently there's audio of him saying that he wanted Erica to take over Turning Point USA if something were to happen to him. And so Candace, who is a crazy awful per. These are all awful people. This is why I'm laughing about it. Yeah. Was like, release the video or it's fake. So they're just still like knuckle. Like they're just pounding on each other, which just.

[Podcast Host Hank]

That's while Erica's getting Send seasoned assists to a fucking comedian because she's that upset about that old Drusky sketch.

[Podcast Host Erin]

So what? Tell everybody what that was.

[Podcast Host Hank]

Drew Ski is a famous comedian and he put out a sketch where he imitated Erica Kirk.

[Podcast Host Erin]

It was hilarious because he's a black man, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. So white face, kind of like the white chicks look right from that movie from like 10, 15 years ago.

[Podcast Host Hank]

Lost her mind. Apparently nobody informed her that parody is protected under the First Amendment.

[Podcast Host Erin]

Tough luck on that one.

[Podcast Host Frank]

She lost her at Elon because it went so viral.

[Podcast Host Erin]

Elon. Elon.

[Congresswoman Suzanne DelBene]

And.

[Podcast Host Hank]

And they resorted to the same lie that they ran with after Charlie got Kirked, which was the, you know, like his kids. His kids ran to him because they were so freaked out by the loud noise. Never happened, by the way. And Then also Erica's running with this shit about how the daughter saw this video and is like freaked out. Was like, this is mommy. And it's like, I doubt that.

[Podcast Host Erin]

Why, why is her. Why is her daughter. That they're all young. Why is the daughter watching Unrestricted. Yeah. Social media any. I thought what. What happened to these, like, family values that all this that we keep being told about, but also like, you sent a cease and desist to a comedian.

[Podcast Host Hank]

What a dumb idea. Because you know what happens to the fire.

[Podcast Host Erin]

Exactly.

[Podcast Host Frank]

You want to talk to the manager of the Internet.

[Podcast Host Erin]

Yeah, yeah.

[Podcast Host Frank]

And get something taken down.

[Podcast Host Hank]

I saw that. I saw that video had 176 million views on Twitter.

[Podcast Host Erin]

Well, she guaranteed.

[Podcast Host Hank]

So half of the United States.

[Podcast Host Erin]

Right.

[Podcast Host Hank]

90 million.

[Podcast Host Frank]

Probably a bunch of people watch the Twitter user base.

[Podcast Host Erin]

Yeah, I know.

[Podcast Host Frank]

Like, I don't even know.

[Podcast Host Erin]

Did everybody.

[Podcast Host Hank]

Well, the full versions on Twitter and all the short ones are on like.

[Podcast Host Erin]

But Instagram, it also shows you how like craven and conniving that Elon is because he was like, well, wait a minute. This is like good for me, this like blow legalized comedy. I'm not. Yeah, well, yeah. I mean all that hypocritical bullshit. Like, but it was funny that when it was like, oh, this actually is going to help my bottom line, he's like, tosses Erica straight over the over the edge.

[Podcast Host Hank]

Like, no problem out of here.

[Podcast Host Erin]

But that's what they all do, right? They're going to all eat each other alive over the next two and a half years because they're all battling for. I hate to use the word supremacy, but I think that's probably a good one to use in this case over the Republican Party or the conservative for Elon. Right. They're all trying to fight to be the next Trump or the next Charlie Kirk.

[Congresswoman Suzanne DelBene]

Right?

[Podcast Host Erin]

Like that's. That's the game. So they're not even actually paying attention to the midterms because they don't actually give a shit. Like, this is about money and this is about power and they know that they're toast. That's why they're trying to shove the Save act through Congress, which they keep being like, oh, what? That's a voter ID bill. Absolutely is not. It's not.

[Podcast Host Hank]

It's not a voter ID bill. It's not a voter suppression bill.

[Podcast Host Erin]

Did you see that? Actually it was Chip Roy who got caught on a hot mic saying he had to stop talking about the specifics in the bill because his chief of staff went, it was a obvious. Was a woman. And he Claimed had to go through hoops because she hadn't changed her name. And this is the thing we've all been saying.

[Podcast Host Hank]

They got Grindr Mike on fucking camera talking about how he thought that turnout would.

[Podcast Host Erin]

We're going to get a desist.

[Podcast Host Hank]

Somebody was telling him that voter turnout would go down by 18% if the save act went through. And he goes, well, that'd be huge for us.

[Podcast Host Erin]

Right? They're just saying.

[Podcast Host Hank]

Are you just. Are you just saying it out loud that it's a suppression bill?

[Podcast Host Frank]

Mike Lee tweeted and was. He was, quote, tweeting Mark Meadows and Mark Meadows, like, they're just saying it out loud again. Mark Meadows said, I've said it before and I'll say it again. Let's hear it. Mark. If Republicans in the Senate fail to pass the Save America Act, Democrats will take control and.

[Podcast Host Hank]

Which is like, you promise?

[Podcast Host Frank]

That's how democracy works, Mark. And then Mike quote, tweeted him and said, if we don't pass Save America, Democrats win in November. If we pass Save America, we have a chance. Failure is not an option.

[Podcast Host Erin]

Right.

[Podcast Host Frank]

Like, they just hate democracy. They don't want voters to go and vote. They want to stop things from happening because they're going to lose power. They're not even saying, like, what's going to be. Like, what are the bad things are that are going to happen. They're just saying Democrats will win. That doesn't.

[Podcast Host Erin]

Right.

[Podcast Host Luke]

Well.

[Podcast Host Erin]

And the only way that their premise works. Right. Is if there is widespread voter fraud, of which we have never seen any evidence. And in fact, most of the evidence, there's like these little, like one, like a person tries to commit voter fraud. Right? So, like, there's a. There's like a handful of cases. And what we have seen since 2020 is the overwhelming majority of them are Trump voters. There was one in Pennsylvania. There's a couple in Pennsylvania in 2020 where a guy tried to vote for his dead mom. That's voter fraud. But they caught him. Because you know what? It's not easy. Like, the thing that kills me at the voter fraud thing, imagine how difficult that would be. Right? Oh, you take New York, for example. I had to show ID when I registered to vote, but when I go, I don't. But what I do is I go and I put my I. To give them my name and they literally cross me out of the records.

[Podcast Host Frank]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host Erin]

How could I replicate that? Like, what you need thousands of times, like, you need to know the addresses, you need to know the people who aren't Going to vote so that it didn't double up like it would be. It's virtually impossible.

[Podcast Host Frank]

Yeah. And then if they do go vote, then, and their name is already crossed out now you're on the hook for like, what, Felony treason? Like, there's some.

[Podcast Host Erin]

It's not felony voter fraud.

[Podcast Host Frank]

These are extremely serious fucking crimes. They're not just like, oh, whoops, you made a mistake. That's people. People don't do it. Not because it's tactically impossible. They do it because nobody wants to be charged with voter fraud. Because you go to fucking prison.

[Podcast Host Hank]

You go to the fucking.

[Podcast Host Erin]

Clint. I swear to God. These people think that in places like New York, they just like, you just go up to a table, grab a ballot off the thing and like vote and put it away. I. I honestly think they actually like,

[Podcast Host Frank]

go to another polling place and you just do the same thing over.

[Podcast Host Hank]

It is hilarious. Like the dichotomy that they have though, because simultaneously they believe that voting is this just tremendously easy thing to do. It's so easy to fake, it doesn't matter. But the system by which you buy a gun, rock solid. Absolutely no changes need to be made, right? No problems there. I got in this Facebook debate with this fucking idiot on my, like, personal Facebook page, I believe on somebody else's page about the fucking SAVE Act. And I said something about how you. It's. It's harder to vote than to buy a gun. And he goes, well, show me a place that I could buy a gun without a, without an id. And I said, a gun show. Try again face.

[Podcast Host Erin]

Or online.

[Podcast Host Frank]

Literally the gun show loophole.

[Podcast Host Hank]

And he lost his fucking mind.

[Podcast Host Erin]

He's. But it's true.

[Podcast Host Hank]

It's 1000%.

[Podcast Host Erin]

And in 30ish states you can go online and meet somebody online like Craig's, whatever. I don't want to say the sites, but, you know, the audio knows that one. But like. Or the Facebook, you know, they, they. It's illegal there, but they get through.

[Podcast Host Frank]

Well, it's often against the terms of use of the, of the sites.

[Podcast Host Erin]

Yeah, it's like 100. It's always against this, which was really

[Podcast Host Hank]

for sale is in the fourth picture. And then it's a AR15.

[Podcast Host Erin]

And you can go like, if you are in. Let's pick a state that none of us are in. Oklahoma. You can go to Oklahoma and you could find somebody that has an AR15 and you say, let's meet in the, in the shopping, the shopping parking lot. You exchange cash, you get a gun. You don't know Their name, you don't know their address. You don't even know if that gun is theirs and you're gone. And then that gun is untraceable. We have no idea. Especially with a cash trash transaction. There's just no, no way to know.

[Podcast Host Hank]

And I would bet a fucking testicle that there are more instances of unregistered, unregistered firearms being sold and gone into the fucking ether than voter fraud.

[Podcast Host Erin]

It's. It's not even close.

[Podcast Host Frank]

I would bet every week.

[Podcast Host Erin]

Even close.

[Podcast Host Frank]

More than more. More.

[Podcast Host Erin]

No, because it's illegal in 30 states.

[Podcast Host Frank]

Exactly, exactly.

[Podcast Host Erin]

Like, you could just do it and I can give you an example. Like, and bad shit happens when that happens. Like when I am from Maine, they did change some laws, thankfully, after the horrible Lewiston shooting. But there was a situation in my hometown of Bath, Maine, 9,000 people, and there was an illegal gun sale going through in the parking lot. And somebody handed the gun to their girlfriend, she dropped it and it fired and it killed her. So like. But like, that's what happens when you're just meeting in the parking lot with random people handing a gun. And by the way, this is the store that I went to when I was six, seven, eight. Like, this is. And it was in broad daylight, I think. And. And it turned out that the guy who had either was buying or selling was not allowed to have the gun. But if that gun hadn't gone off. But if that gun hadn't gone off, we would never have known.

[Podcast Host Frank]

Right.

[Podcast Host Hank]

So, like, you're same idiots talking about

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how we protect the police.

[Podcast Host Hank]

Protect the police and don't want anybody. I don't want anybody to know about who owns a gun. Man, I can't think of any more vital information for a cop to have than, well, that's who owns a gun.

[Podcast Host Erin]

Why?

[Podcast Host Luke]

Police officers generally are for stronger gun laws and sheriffs are not, because sheriffs do rural areas and police are dealing with it day to day.

[Podcast Host Frank]

Yeah, Right.

[Podcast Host Erin]

So. But I guarantee you, guarantee you way more gun transactions in parking lots than voter fraud.

[Podcast Host Luke]

Because the voter fraud is like a handful.

[Podcast Host Erin]

Again, like, how would you even. How would you even construct a conspiracy to be able to manipulate enough votes to make it worth it?

[Podcast Host Hank]

Because, like, say New York person who's

[Podcast Host Erin]

actually tried, that is.

[Podcast Host Hank]

He's sitting in the Oval Office right now. He called, he called asking about him, but.

[Podcast Host Erin]

Well, he asked.

[Podcast Host Luke]

Yeah, he asked him to find. Find votes. Yes.

[Podcast Host Erin]

13,000 or whatever.

[Podcast Host Luke]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host Frank]

Take it as the opposite. He, he, as the president, tried to do this and still couldn't and you look at who's the clown from Tiffany Peters or Tina Peters, the one from Colorado. Yeah, in Colorado. And then, honey, like, there's all these people, and they desperately tried to just, like, get into voting machines. They desperately tried to just to, like, count things or, like, you know, put in software that could audit the counts. And they. They couldn't do anything. Like, nobody could do anything because you can't.

[Podcast Host Erin]

It's like, it's so.

[Podcast Host Frank]

Almost impossible.

[Podcast Host Erin]

Difficult, right? Like. And they tried. But I think the thing that's. That shows you, like, how deluded all these people are, too, is that, like, to this day, they have never seen one piece of actionable information about widespread voter fraud. Not a single piece. And they're all convinced that it exists and it has never happened.

[Podcast Host Frank]

And that's why this thinks if he loses something, then it was cheating. Like, that's. If you start with the premise of I lost there or I didn't lose, I can't lose. But they said that I lost, therefore somebody cheated, then you can make up all sorts of things.

[Podcast Host Hank]

But you start with a false premise, you can arrive at anything.

[Podcast Host Erin]

Oh, yeah, right. Well, they live in an ecos, a

[Podcast Host Luke]

media ecosystem where they're just all, Trump

[Podcast Host Erin]

is great, Liberals are evil. And then, you know, in 2020, when 81 million people, which broke the record vote, they're like, well, they.

[Podcast Host Luke]

That there's no way they all voted for Joe Biden. The answer is yes.

[Podcast Host Erin]

Everyone hated your fucking guts, guys. Like, yes.

[Podcast Host Luke]

And it was in the middle of

[Podcast Host Erin]

a pandemic which got more people off

[Podcast Host Luke]

their butts to vote, because it was like, we either go down this path

[Podcast Host Erin]

where more people die or we get this guy out of here. And then four years later had collective amnesia about it. And now we're right back where we were in 2019, 2020, where it was like, get this guy out of here. You love it. Oh.

[Podcast Host Frank]

So, yeah, it's. Speaking of getting the guy out of here.

[Podcast Host Erin]

Ooh, what do you got?

[Podcast Host Frank]

How about that? No Kings protest,

[Podcast Host Hank]

buddy. That was a good transition.

[Podcast Host Erin]

Yeah, that was a good one.

[Podcast Host Frank]

8 to 10 million, give or take,

[Podcast Host Erin]

or their largest day of protesting in history. You know, we've. It's been interesting because we've heard some folks saying these things matter a lot. We've heard some people saying these things don't matter at all. What do we think?

[Podcast Host Frank]

I think they matter.

[Podcast Host Hank]

I think anybody telling you they don't matter is questionable.

[Podcast Host Frank]

They're either. They either want it to not matter, or they. Or, you know, they're they're stirring up, you know, animosity, stirring up angst to get.

[Podcast Host Hank]

You're not doing what I want, so I'm not doing anything. And what you're doing is stupid.

[Podcast Host Frank]

Let me tell you how I got there, though, because I'll like, fully admit, you know, being a, a dude in a red state my entire life, I always agree with the left wing protesters and I have since, like the, let's see, the George Bush, Al Gore election. But I was also a person that, for probably the most of my, like, cynical teenage 20something life, if I saw a group of people with signs, you know, yelling somewhere, whether they were on the left or the right, it's kind of like, oh, well, you know, good for you. You got your signs, like, what is that actually going to accomplish? But when you look at, when you look at the trend line of what happened, the narrative, especially of what happened over the past year since the first no Kings, I was thinking the other day about how when the first no Kings happened, that was the same day that Melissa Hortman and her husband were assassinated, which, like, we forget it was also the same day of Trump's fucking psychotic military parade. I remember, I think I made a video straight up pleading with people to be peaceful because I was so afraid. I mean, this is as active duty troops were in Los Angeles. They had been deployed just a couple of days prior to no Kings. So we had millions of people going out. And I remember we, on this podcast, we in, in the, in the, on the left, we were terrified that if one thing went wrong, it would be potentially a massacre. Like there could potentially be an armed conflict between protesters and the government that people were saying the Insurrection act, they were saying martial law. Like it was a terrible place to be emotionally and psychologically last June. And they ex. Like, no Kings was executed peacefully and, and beautifully. And that was the first hope we got because then it was the, the shutdown and then it was the November elections and then all of the things, all of the, all of the ways that we've started to win and started to see the momentum turn. No Kings 2 was bigger than no Kings 1. No Kings 3 was bigger than no Kings 2. And now we're in a place where Trump is on his heels across the board and it's because people didn't give up. You know, they kept making signs, they kept showing up. And if, if you got to make a sign, if you got to just go see people who are sane on the street to stay in this, then that is absolutely a Win. And we should absolutely not be judging that. Even if it's not like, yeah, it's not changing policy tomorrow, but it is going to change policy when the time comes.

[Podcast Host Luke]

So I, I agree with all of that and I think that anybody who says that somebody else's actions are meaningless is not, is not really paying attention

[Podcast Host Erin]

to the broader picture here.

[Podcast Host Luke]

You can be a tactician and say certain things, yada, yada, yada, but like

[Podcast Host Erin]

there are a lot of first time people that went out this weekend and

[Podcast Host Luke]

you know, we should be cheering people who are getting up and taking action. I mean the only ways that, you know, autocrats have ever been overthrown in

[Podcast Host Erin]

the history of the world is when the people rise up and say enough and I'm sorry.

[Podcast Host Luke]

Like I think it matters. I think having 8 to 10 million

[Podcast Host Erin]

people, which is what, two and a half percent of the population, 2.7, something

[Podcast Host Luke]

like that, stepping up and then dominating a news cycle. Also don't forget like everybody saw those protests. Whether they read the paper, whether they were online or whether they watched the evening news, they saw wall to wall

[Podcast Host Erin]

people in places like New York City

[Podcast Host Luke]

obviously where we actually had, I think they had Manhattan and Brooklyn marches, but also in small local communities. My town of Bath, you know, it's

[Podcast Host Erin]

amazing to get it brought up twice again.

[Podcast Host Luke]

But like they, they had thousands of

[Podcast Host Hank]

people out too and takes every chance he's got.

[Podcast Host Erin]

Hell yeah, Bath built his best built, don't forget it. And, but yeah, go ahead, go ahead, Luke.

[Podcast Host Hank]

You know, if you want nothing else out of it. Those people are significantly more life likely to get off their ass in November and vote to get shit done.

[Podcast Host Erin]

Yep.

[Podcast Host Frank]

Look at that sign leaning against their wall in the garage or in their bedroom or their office and go, oh yeah.

[Podcast Host Erin]

Or maybe that person, that person that was sort of on the fence gets dragged to a, a rally with a friend and then all of a sudden they find a community there and they find that there's like minded people like them and all of a sudden, you know, their outlook on things change.

[Podcast Host Luke]

So I, I think like, I think we should, I'm, I hope there's a

[Podcast Host Erin]

four and a five and a six. I don't know if we have enough time to get three more in. But you know, I think it matters and I think because everything is, seems to be getting worse across the board. Right. There's a, I just got a push notification about deaths in ICE detention camps increasing because of course they are, you

[Podcast Host Frank]

know, stories of people decrease.

[Podcast Host Erin]

Well, there's a story about a guy who was going through chemo, got snatched, was in a detention center in Texas, got no chemo in that detention center. And I think they released him like six months or a year later. Well, guess what?

[Podcast Host Luke]

Too late.

[Podcast Host Erin]

They're now talking about hospice for that person. While that person didn't get murdered in there, they kind of did. If, you know, his life was too late, his life was ruined. So, you know, I think especially if gas prices are higher, the economy is bad, we're fighting a war now that we're talking about ground troops.

[Podcast Host Luke]

Right.

[Podcast Host Erin]

Like they're really, you know, I'm never

[Podcast Host Hank]

gonna lose the sense of irony that if Trump sends ground troops in on Easter, I will never.

[Podcast Host Erin]

Are they talking about doing that?

[Podcast Host Hank]

Well there I've seen all kinds of. About ground news or about ground troops coming in. Apparently, apparently to get a bunch of plutonium or uranium, one of the two.

[Podcast Host Erin]

Oh, they're gonna go snatch the uranium.

[Podcast Host Frank]

Yeah, that's the, that's the specific, the rumor.

[Podcast Host Erin]

What is this a like, like a action movie? Like.

[Podcast Host Hank]

Yeah, I'm not, not really sure John

[Podcast Host Frank]

Krasinski to go do it.

[Podcast Host Erin]

Yeah. Can we get him?

[Podcast Host Hank]

This is, apparently, this is what happens when you send in Fox and Friends weekend hosts to be your.

[Podcast Host Erin]

Well, did you see what Hegseth was saying about how they've changed the approach? We're not following any rules. We're not like shackling our war fighters.

[Podcast Host Hank]

I'm like, oh my God.

[Podcast Host Erin]

And every third word like endorsing war

[Podcast Host Frank]

crimes and not tepid legality. I'm like, you just said not legality. Like you're more concerned with killing than following the law. That is literally what you said. Which, but it rhymed. And so, you know, Donald clapped, so it worked.

[Podcast Host Erin]

But if we don't follow the law, then no one else is going to follow the law and then our people are going to be put in heart. It's so short sighted and it's this toxic masculinity bullshit. Right. It's like I gotta pump my chest up to make myself look big and I'm going to shoot a bunch of people and kill them. So like, yeah, that's why like that, that movie Team America World Police, which was released like 20 years ago, is still relevant today because they're just making fun of like how ridiculously stupid all of that is. And it's true. But people, people eat it up. So. Yeah, anyways, but I, but I did,

[Podcast Host Frank]

I did read good news that Trump said the regime change is pretty much already complete now in Iran, so.

[Podcast Host Erin]

Oh yeah, he's looking for a way out.

[Podcast Host Frank]

This is the logic. He said the new leaders are much more reasonable. He's desperately trying to Venezuela this conflict. But what he said was the one regime was decimated, destroyed. They're all dead. The next regime is mostly dead. And he suggested that Iran has moved on to its third regime and that American negotiators were speaking to a whole different group of people who have been very reasonable because he went from Ayatollah Khomeini, who was like in his 80s, to Ayatollah Khomeini in his 50s.

[Podcast Host Erin]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host Hank]

He bombed his wife and his dad and his family.

[Podcast Host Luke]

Literally, like killed his entire family.

[Podcast Host Frank]

No, there's definitely no way.

[Congresswoman Suzanne DelBene]

Great.

[Podcast Host Frank]

That this is going to end worse. You know, we used to talk about, like, you, you create terrorists when you bomb countries. And I feel like we stopped talking about that for a while, even though that is literally how ISIS came to be. Like, people forget that ISIS didn't exist when Saddam Hussein and the Taliban were in charge. We dethroned, we did beheading diplomacy as, as, as George Bush did and as Trump does. And in the power vacuum and the rage, ISIS was born. So now we get to figure out what's ISIS 2.0 that's going to come from Iran because of Trump. You know, bombing schools and, and killing dictators.

[Podcast Host Erin]

Yeah. Generally does not win over people. When you kill their families.

[Podcast Host Luke]

It's not generally a good.

[Podcast Host Frank]

You remember for a while you don't go like, ah, you know, it's not

[Podcast Host Hank]

one of those things that you don't really, you know, sleep that one off.

[Podcast Host Frank]

Well, people under the bridge.

[Podcast Host Erin]

We are, we are inundated with like,

[Podcast Host Luke]

good and like good versus evil. Right. And I think like a lot of these, I mean, obviously people were cutting people's heads off.

[Podcast Host Erin]

Awful. But like, a lot of these people, they don't think they're bad. They think we are the bad ones because we went in and killed all their people. And I think people have a hard

[Podcast Host Luke]

time because of the way that we perceive ourselves.

[Podcast Host Erin]

Right.

[Podcast Host Luke]

World police, like bringing deliberators, deliberate liberation,

[Podcast Host Frank]

which in many instances, we're going to bring democracy.

[Podcast Host Erin]

Everyone can be true.

[Podcast Host Luke]

But like at Afghanistan, you know, like,

[Podcast Host Erin]

we propped up Osama bin Laden in

[Podcast Host Luke]

his fight against the Soviets because it was a proxy war.

[Podcast Host Erin]

Right.

[Podcast Host Luke]

And keeping them bogged down in, in Afghanistan, the Russians or Soviets, excuse me, was beneficial.

[Podcast Host Erin]

And then we pulled all their funding

[Podcast Host Luke]

and left them to get slaughtered. So I'm not saying that Osama bin Laden was a good dude. I am not.

[Podcast Host Erin]

But I am saying that like we made him and then we, we left him. And then we were amazed when he was mad at us.

[Podcast Host Frank]

And then I got him, then we got him, and then we killed a whole bunch more people in the process and made the next.

[Podcast Host Hank]

Yep.

[Podcast Host Erin]

Right. He didn't create isis. That actually ISIS was created good because they thought that, that they, that bin Laden was not severe enough in their, in their tactics.

[Podcast Host Frank]

So weren't all of us original ISIS leaders in American, American prisons in Iraq after we took out Osama or after we took out Saddam probably. And then, and then the, they were all set free at some point or they, I don't know, they, they escaped. And yeah, I mean, this is what happens. Like conflicts don't come consequence free. And that's why you have to have smart leaders doing careful things, not dumb leaders doing reckless things.

[Podcast Host Luke]

Well, that we've got people now who

[Podcast Host Erin]

are making everything black and white. And it's like the world is gray guys. Like. And the way that they've indoctrinated all these MAGA people to believe it's like 100% one way and zero the other is just madness.

[Podcast Host Frank]

And because it's a holy war to them now they, they're trying to a crusade. And that's the best way to make

[Podcast Host Erin]

those all went really well.

[Podcast Host Frank]

Black and white is, is make it about religion, which is about your identity. So your identity has to be to kill everybody. Like that's the, that's the, the link that they, they have.

[Podcast Host Hank]

Rich, I thought we were supposed to shut up about identity politics. I thought we were done with that now.

[Podcast Host Erin]

Yeah, sure. Well, on that note, guys, that cheery, cheery note, I think that we are pretty much at time today, Luke. We did talk about a get fucked.

[Podcast Host Hank]

Yeah. Riley Gaines need to get fucked.

[Podcast Host Erin]

There we go.

[Podcast Host Hank]

Because in case you missed it, she put out, she got paid to do this fucking ad where she stands there with a big strip of duct tape on. There's this voiceover talking about how she's been silenced by the LGBTQIA community. And then she rips the off. You're not silenced if you're doing ads.

[Podcast Host Luke]

Dumb.

[Podcast Host Erin]

You know what? I didn't know anything about Riley Gaines when she was a fifth place swimmer, but I've heard a lot about.

[Podcast Host Hank]

She's the most famous 5th, 5th place swimmer of all time.

[Podcast Host Erin]

Really upset about not getting that fourth place. Is there like a participation trophy for fourth place that she didn't get? Or I, you know, like I'm.

[Podcast Host Hank]

Will they give you like a Lead. A lead metal.

[Podcast Host Erin]

It's made out of tinfoil, you know.

[Podcast Host Hank]

Yeah, it's a yogurt. Oh.

[Podcast Host Erin]

Like at the office, the Dundees or whatever they were. Yeah, it's. It's all about money. It's a grift.

[Podcast Host Hank]

Yep.

[Podcast Host Erin]

Right. She found a fact check for doing that. She. Because she competed against a trans woman who beat her for fourth place. And that is the outrage in which she seems to have made quite a bit of money, at least a lot of attention off of nothing.

[Podcast Host Frank]

I do wish it were more lucrative to swim than to hate trans people. In hindsight, that would be better. But she's doing better. She's getting a lot more attention hating trans people than she ever got swimming. That's. That's sad.

[Podcast Host Luke]

It's just that.

[Podcast Host Erin]

Yeah, Luke, that was an appropriate one. Good one. Short one.

[Podcast Host Hank]

Thank you. Thank you.

[Podcast Host Erin]

Good one. I don't want to talk about her too much. So, you know. Well, anyways, thank you, everybody. I know we were a little all

[Podcast Host Luke]

over the place today. We were also supposed to have Governor

[Podcast Host Erin]

Pritzker today, but had a little thing

[Podcast Host Luke]

that he had to go do and he's going to come back maybe by

[Podcast Host Erin]

Thursday or maybe next week.

[Podcast Host Luke]

So we will.

[Podcast Host Erin]

We are very excited about talking to him.

[Podcast Host Luke]

But until then, make sure you donate to that red to blue page that we have set up for the top

[Podcast Host Erin]

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[Podcast Host Luke]

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[Podcast Host Erin]

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[Podcast Host Luke]

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[Podcast Host Erin]

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[Podcast Host Hank]

Oh, yeah, we're debating what we're going to do there.

[Podcast Host Erin]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host Hank]

So if you've got ideas for Get Angry Merch, drop them in the comments.

[Podcast Host Luke]

And I'm not gonna. I'm not gonna spill it yet because it's not confirmed, but I heard a guest for you guys this morning that

[Podcast Host Erin]

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[Podcast Host Hank]

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[Podcast Host Luke]

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[Podcast Host Erin]

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[Podcast Host Luke]

You guys have anything else to hawk? I think that's enough.

[Podcast Host Erin]

That's enough hawking for right now.

[Podcast Host Luke]

So anyways, guys, have a great day.

[Podcast Host Erin]

Make those donations. We'll be back on Thursday. Bye, everybody.