Democrats are WINNING the Shutdown Debate

Summary

Podcast Summary: The Find Out Podcast

Episode: Democrats are WINNING the Shutdown Debate
Date: October 9, 2025
Duration: ~51 minutes

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Episode Overview

This episode of The Find Out Podcast features the show’s irreverent, tightly knit crew digging into the government shutdown under Trump’s second term. The main theme: Democrats, through focused messaging and a heavy alliance with social media influencers, are decisively winning the shutdown debate in the court of public opinion. The panel reflects with humor, cynicism, and honesty on the shifting tides of public sentiment, the power of narrative, and MAGA’s latest culture war outcries.

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Key Discussion Points

1. Democrats’ Messaging Success in the Shutdown

• Main Claim: Democrats are finally winning the messaging war around the shutdown by both effectively leveraging independent creators and accurately pinning blame on Republicans.
• Polling Reality: Public opinion overwhelmingly blames Republicans for the shutdown, a shift attributed to themes of protecting healthcare and associating GOP policy with harm to everyday Americans.
• [01:16] Tim: “I feel like we’re in this very strange position here in that Democrats seem to be winning the messaging war around the shutdown.”
• [02:53] Russell: “It’s so clear what people think. They look at it and go, Republicans are in power. This is a mistake. That’s it.”

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2. Influencer Power & The New Left Media Sphere

• The hosts explore their roles as part of the influencer wave carrying the Democratic narrative, boasting a combined 3 million social media followers.
• They credit the strategy of engaging left-leaning creators for amplifying core messages—making the shutdown, and the elimination of ACA subsidies, top-of-mind issues for voters.
• [04:19] Tim: “We did… We have over 3 million social media followers and we have all… done videos on this... The same message: Democrats want to make sure Americans keep their health care and Republicans don’t.”

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3. Narratives vs. Facts: What Wins?

• The group debates whether facts are still effective in politics, concluding that narratives and emotional framing overwhelmingly outweigh policy details—particularly among swing voters.
• Social media, more than party leadership or traditional media, is now setting the narrative.
• [04:01] Chris: “Facts don’t matter anymore... it’s narratives that win.”

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4. Short-term Victories vs. Long-term Change

• The dilemma: Should Democrats let harmful GOP policies play out to make voters ‘feel’ consequences, or mitigate harm at all costs?
• Tension emerges over issues of principle, empathy, and political strategy—how much suffering is ethical to “make a point” at the ballot box?
• [08:21] Russell: “It’s not wishing ill. It’s more so having people get what they voted for. Like, you voted for this.”
• [09:10] Russell: “If you can draw a straight line between why you got fucked and Donald Trump and the MAGA agenda, you’ll never vote for it again.”
• [10:21] Rich: “It’s still disproportionately marginalized people who are getting hurt by the worst things he does.”

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5. Democratic Leadership: Learning from Past Mistakes

• Reflection on Chuck Schumer’s improved communication and resolve compared to past shutdown negotiations.
• Praising Schumer for clearly stating the stakes (loss of health insurance for 15 million if Democrats cave).
• [12:12] Tim: “He put out a video last night… really laid out what the challenge was and what they were willing to do and what they weren’t.”

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6. MAGA Culture War Meltdowns

• Stephen Miller as a Target: The group delights in AOC’s viral “4-foot-10” burn on Miller and MAGA’s emotional reaction. They discuss the value of mockery in disrupting authoritarian figures.
  • [16:31] Chris: “AOC called Stephen Miller 4 foot 10 and Fox News covered that exclusively for, like, an entire evening.”
  • [21:07] Chris: “If you make fun of people like this, it completely dismantles their ability to go on offense.”
• Bad Bunny at the Super Bowl: They lampoon right-wing outrage at Bad Bunny’s selection due to his Puerto Rican heritage, exposing xenophobic undertones and the party’s insecurity around diversity.
  • [23:12] Tim: “Bad Bunny will be the halftime performer... and MAGA had an absolute complete meltdown, including from the White House, because he's Mexican... oh wait, he’s Puerto Rican.”
  • [26:04] Chris: “When they hear people speak other languages, they feel stupid. And they feel afraid.”
• Grievance Politics: MAGA is framed as a “grievance party,” with anger and xenophobia substituting for substantive policy.
  • [29:04] Tim: “They should call MAGA the Grievance Party.”

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7. Rise of Authoritarian Tactics and Fear-Based Media

• Normalization of State Violence: The group discusses how Trump exploits national tragedies and unrest (e.g., George Floyd, Charlie Kirk shooting) to justify violence, threatening use of the Insurrection Act and ICE as punitive tools.
  • [30:31] Chris: “Trump’s fascism has normalized state violence against civilians in a way that we have not seen, you know, at all in my lifetime.”
  • [35:25] Russell: “He dances on that line so long that the line moves... never expect some big... military just rolling into a city kind of thing, because that's just not his way of acting. He threatens it for a year, and then when he finally does some version of it, people are like, all right, see, it wasn't that bad.”
• Creators and the Danger of Doom Propaganda: Critique of left-leaning creators who induce panic for clicks, compared to traditional journalistic standards, and a warning that fear without hope leads to political paralysis.
  • [33:28] Rich: “It’s paralyzing and it feels, and if, and it does feel manipulative after a while... we've been trained to be in this headspace by CNN and MSNBC... You're craving a dopamine spike of good news, and you just keep coming back, getting lower and lower and lower.”
  • [39:20] Tim: “If you are told there aren't going to be elections next year, there's going to be martial law, people aren't going to vote.”

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8. Action Items, Community, and the Future of Independent Media

• The hosts emphasize the importance of sharing real information, not just fear, and keeping the public engaged with practical action steps.
• They promote guides (Task Force Butler) for safe activism, documenting abuses, and building community resilience.
  • [43:10] Chris: “Our point here at Find Out is not to scare you, it is not to make you feel hopeless... we believe that there's a way out. Otherwise, we would all leave and we'd all shut up.”
• Legacy Media's Rightward Shift: Alarm at CBS News hiring anti-‘woke’ writer Bari Weiss as editor-in-chief, deepening concern about billionaire control over media narratives.
• Find Out Community: Plans to build an independent, algorithm-free online space for listeners to connect, share resources, and foster action outside the reach of right-wing billionaires.
  • [46:32] Tim: “We are going to build an online community where our followers can come and have conversations... Because one, it's good for everybody to have a community, everybody needs a community. Two, it will lead to more action in winning as many seats as we can...”

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• [13:01] Rich (satirical): “Keep government out of my Social Security.”
• [22:33] Chris (on mockery): “Mockery has been shown to work for, in fascist regimes or dictatorships.... It's Donald Trump's worst nightmare.”
• [26:11] Chris (on xenophobia): “When they hear people speak other languages, they feel stupid. And they feel afraid. Rather than educate themselves, they'd rather dispute hate.”
• [29:04] Tim (on MAGA): “They should call MAGA the Grievance Party.”
• [41:46] Tim (on media documentation): “If you see this stuff, record it. Record everything you can, because people need to see this stuff.”
• [43:10] Chris (on activism): “Our point here at Find Out is not to scare you... We believe that there’s a way out.”

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• [01:03] – Democrats seizing the shutdown narrative
• [04:00-05:17] – The influencer effect and social media strategy
• [08:04-10:21] – Short-term wins vs. long-term change for voters
• [12:00-13:43] – Praising Schumer, health care framing
• [16:31-22:22] – Stephen Miller, MAGA sensitivity, and the power of mockery
• [23:12-29:04] – Super Bowl outrage, Bad Bunny, and white grievance politics
• [30:31-35:25] – Trump, state violence, the Insurrection Act, and shifting political boundaries
• [39:19-42:41] – Fear-based media, apathy, and the call for hope
• [43:10-44:35] – Activist resources and building resilience
• [46:32] – Announcement: Independent Find Out online community

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Tone & Style

The episode weaves sharp banter, acerbic wit, passionate outbursts, and moments of genuine vulnerability. The hosts’ camaraderie and irreverence make the discussion both substantive and entertaining—swearing, self-roasting, and sarcasm are used liberally to reinforce their points. Despite the dire subject matter, the energy is kinetic, with the hosts alternating between laughter, pragmatic outrage, and calls for collective action.

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Conclusion

This episode encapsulates the chaos, the hope, and the absurdity of American political warfare during Trump’s second term shutdown standoff. The Find Out Podcast crew celebrates Democratic messaging victories, skewers MAGA grievance culture, warns about escalating authoritarianism, and urges their audience to stay active, connected, and critical—arming listeners with both honest analysis and real-world tools to resist the ever-louder noise.

Transcript

[Rich]

Foreign.

[Tim]

Hey, everybody. Welcome back to the Find out podcast. We are at episode 50, everybody. At least if I have counted correctly, most podcasts end after three episodes, so we've. We've. We've done pretty well here, guys.

[Luke]

They're getting sick.

[Rich]

I think. I think our listeners stopped listening after three episodes. So this is really just for us.

[Luke]

Truman show situation.

[Tim]

We just talk to each other. We just talk to each other.

[Rich]

Zach's mom still listens, right? I think.

[Russell]

Yeah, definitely. She's a big.

[Tim]

I'm not even sure that my mom listens to every episode, to be honest.

[Chris]

I'm pretty sure that we're radicalizing my mom, which.

[Luke]

Oh, yeah.

[Tim]

Oh, all right. All right.

[Chris]

Well, she is someone who was never political ever, and now she is very proudly politically engaged, and it's.

[Rich]

That's great.

[Luke]

I love it.

[Tim]

That's so great. That's amazing.

[Chris]

She's in a swing state, so even better.

[Tim]

All righty. I like that. Well, guys, I. I feel like we're in this very strange position here in that Democrats seem to be winning the messaging war around the shutdown.

[Rich]

Don't. Don't say it too loud, though.

[Chris]

You're going to.

[Luke]

You're going to. You're going to jinx us.

[Rich]

Yeah.

[Tim]

You know, Trump is. Trump is already starting to crack a little bit. He yesterday said that he was willing to negotiate on the aca, extending the ACA tax credits, which are the things that help to keep our insurance premiums. I'm not going to say low, because they're not low, but lower than they would be affordable.

[Luke]

Ish.

[Tim]

Ish. And if we got rid of them, everybody's health insurance would go up. And that's what Republicans have.

[Luke]

Excuse me.

[Tim]

That's what Democrats have been pushing, and it seems to be working. Guys, did we. Did we crack the code finally?

[Luke]

I mean, personally, just the free health care for illegals.

[Rich]

I still want that. Let's be really clear. They didn't take the.

[Luke]

Yeah, they should get free health care. It. Everybody should get free health care.

[Tim]

Okay.

[Rich]

Health care is a human. Health care is a human right.

[Chris]

Yep.

[Tim]

But Democrats seem to have.

[Luke]

There's wi Fi, apparently.

[Tim]

What's that?

[Luke]

According to the un, Wi Fi is.

[Russell]

Too A human right.

[Tim]

A human right. Wi Fi.

[Russell]

That's interesting.

[Chris]

Yep.

[Tim]

Huh.

[Rich]

Can't find your nearest clinic if you don't have a strong signal. So they kind of go hand in hand.

[Tim]

But guys, like, it's both a mix of. It seems like the. The members are doing well, communicating. And also, this is really one of the first Times that I think that they've relied on a, a group of creators slash influencers to also carry the message. And all of the polling shows that most Americans are blaming Republicans for this shutdown.

[Russell]

Yeah, there's no. Like, I watched a whole bunch, I looked at a bunch of polls about this and watched it as well. And it was like the, it's so clear what people think. They just look at it and go, republicans are in power. This is a mistake. That's it. Draw a straight line. Like, like it's not complicated. And Democrats have a huge advantage here where all they have to do is just lean on that shit and they're doing a great job doing it, which is like.

[Luke]

Yeah, they get to lean into their most like, accurate trait, which is that they don't have any power and they're useless right now.

[Chris]

It's not a lie for them to say it.

[Russell]

Yeah.

[Tim]

I thought you were going useless.

[Rich]

We have our principles, damn it. All right, so.

[Chris]

So something I want to pull on something that Tim just said. It. Is it because of the Democrats strategy of engaging independent media and influencers, like, has made the difference or is it just the facts? Because in my opinion, facts don't matter anymore. Like for, for swing voters. I, I don't think that facts really matter. It's narratives that, that win.

[Rich]

Right.

[Chris]

So 100. Is it the Democrats setting the narrative? Is it us setting the narrative like people like us?

[Russell]

I think it's a mix.

[Luke]

I think we've all made a video about it.

[Rich]

Social media. Social media sets the narrative.

[Tim]

Yeah. The five of us have not to.

[Chris]

Toot our own horn single handed.

[Tim]

Have over.

[Luke]

I think, I think we.

[Tim]

Well, yeah, we, we have changed the narrative. We did, but we have over 3 million social media followers and we have all, as you guys were just saying, have all done videos on this and we've all done it with our own twist. But at the end of the day, the same message, which is Democrats want to make sure that Americans keep their health care and keep costs as low as possible and Republicans don't. And we were lucky that the big bullshit bill is highly unpopular. And it was. The timing actually worked out very well that the shutdown happened right after that. So we actually had two things that we could hammer on them. Both, that they shut the government down because they run the entire government, and two, that it allowed us to talk about the least popular pieces of the big bullshit bill, which was the elimination of health care subsidies. Right. For poor and working class Americans, which also makes everyone's else's Cost lower because we're spreading out the cost amongst more people. So.

[Rich]

Yeah, because, yeah, well, let's remember that it's, it's, there's a causal relationship between the big bullshit bill and the shutdown. The shutdown is, is explicitly because of the big bullshit bill. And this was, what we've been talking about was like the opportunities there, the political fight is there to win. But can we, can we just win it? Can we just do that? And that was always, that was always the hang up. And it appears that somebody got the message because it's working. By the way, you guys remember the, the layoffs, the mass layoffs that were going to take place immediately if the government shut down.

[Chris]

This a taco comment. I mean, taco.

[Rich]

Suddenly, I suddenly want some tacos because I haven't heard Russell's name in several days. They were like Trump was tweeting like, oh no, the Boogeyman. Russell Vaught, John Thune said, like, we can't control him. Like, who? You fucking confirmed him, fuckhead. Like you're, it was not long ago, it was like six months ago. You put a check mark, you said yay or whatever they say, boy rich.

[Luke]

Sounds a little bit like me right now. Well, I think that's a first.

[Rich]

Well, you know, my kids are at school right now and so I can, I can, I can use daddy language. But I haven't heard Russell Bot's name and I'm not still not gonna say it right. I haven't heard his name in like five days. You know, they, they, they paraded him out as the boogeyman who was gonna slash and burn government. And then we started seeing headlines that like, it might be illegal. And now they're saying like, well, he's not, they're not going to get back pay. And, and now they're saying, well, I think they have to get back pay. And like, they're just, we're just sitting here. It's like what. I think it was James Carville who said, like, never get in the way of your opponent when they're defeating themselves. Basically. I'm like, that was, this is actually what's, what's playing out right now. We're just eating popcorn.

[Russell]

And that brings up an interesting thing too though, is like, so this is something I struggle with quite a bit and I think about it all the time of what's the value short term versus long term in this, right? So short term, if we win this and the subsidies are, you know, extended, that's a short term victory. But is that A long term loss. Because in the end, it's mitigating people from seeing what Republicans actually want to do. Like, the way we really guarantee a victory in the future is them doing worse and worse and worse things to American people. And like, yes, it's a price we have to pay in the short term, but I think in the long term I kind of trend more towards. I want people to feel what they voted for. They voted for this. Like, this is not a mystery that, like, where'd this come from? This was what they voted for. Some people need to feel it. And a lot of these people who would voted for Trump, like, it's not all Democrats are getting shafted by this. I would argue the majority of the population that will get hit by it, who voted for Trump, they need to see that.

[Rich]

That's the challenge is like, this is.

[Luke]

My thought on it, that, like, we're supposed to have a little bit of principle. Right. Like, you're kind of advocating for a bunch of people to get. And normally I'm all about that.

[Rich]

You just coined your own term.

[Luke]

I know, right? But, like, it's tough for me to wish ill on people.

[Russell]

It's not like. But it's not wishing ill. It's more so like having people get what they voted for. Like, you voted for this.

[Luke]

I have no problem with people getting the problem, but getting what they voted for. But I feel like we have an obligation to mitigate that harm as much as we can.

[Rich]

That's like what we were talking about.

[Russell]

That's exactly the diphther. Right. You know, Right.

[Chris]

Talking about the farmers and the farmers, you know, generally voting for Trump and then like losing their land. Like, do they deserve that? Yeah, I hate them.

[Luke]

But it doesn't do us any good if the billionaires buy up all the farmland.

[Russell]

But it does do us good if you change their future vote. Like, that's the thing. That's to me, like, I'm looking more. I want to win elections.

[Tim]

No.

[Rich]

100.

[Russell]

I, I mean, if you can draw a straight line between why you got fucked and Donald Trump and the MAGA agenda, you'll never vote for it again.

[Luke]

They don't draw that line, though.

[Russell]

But they will. There's no other line to draw at this point.

[Rich]

The farmers are different, though, because the farmers, like, tariffs have been something he's been yelling about and that he imposed in his first term. We all knew that tariffs were coming. I think that the challenge for me is when something happens that was not a voting issue. It wasn't top of mind for people, and then a bad thing starts to happen than saying, well, like, you should have known. Like, Trump has been saying a lot of shit for a long time. And I really do believe. Not the majority, but I really do believe a significant portion of Trump voters, because of the people I know in my personal life who voted for him, they really believed that he was just talking out his ass three quarters of the time, like he always has been. And so now he's been much more effective in bringing that shit to keep the metaphor going to real life. And so. And now the people are saying, well, you know, I thought he was just saying things like he always did. Like, you know, how much of that do you push back on them? And then how much collateral damage do you allow to the people who did not vote for him? Because it's still disproportionately marginalized people who are getting hurt by the worst things he does.

[Luke]

I don't think they're ever going to draw that line. I mean, we've seen these fucking people. They will draw a line. The second Trump tells them, despite him looking them in the eye as he's fucking them into the dirt, he draws an imaginary fucking line.

[Tim]

Very fertile dirt, by the way.

[Luke]

And they blame him every fucking time.

[Rich]

Every dirt.

[Russell]

That is true. But I think what, like, here's where I'll compliment Democrats, which is kind of crazy, but I think what they're doing right now with the shutdown mitigates that a bit because they're. They're cutting off that line and going, okay, look, let's stop and talk here. What's about to happen is the Republicans fault, and we're literally pausing the government to make that fucking clear to you. And now they can't escape that line. So, like, they just have to keep using that tactic of, like, don't let Trump weasel. Like, like, they.

[Luke]

They beat Trump faith in Democrats. I mean, the right thing.

[Russell]

They beat Trump to the punch. I got to give them a round of applause. They. They've always had, like, reactive nature to Trump all the time. And for the first time ever, they set the narrative and made Trump react to it. And it works. I mean, it's clear. That's why Trump does it. So congratulations. Very good work.

[Tim]

Yeah. Now we just need to end there.

[Luke]

First for the show.

[Tim]

Thanks, everybody.

[Chris]

So do you guys think that Schumer learned from. From last time, like, it wasn't that long ago that. That we needed to pass a budget and, and the risk was shutting down the government and, and Schumer ultimately, like, Waffled and then caved. And Democrats, us included, rose up and were like, what the fuck, dude? I think Tim was the only one who kind of said, like, no, wait, guys, a shutdown is actually really fucking harmful.

[Russell]

I said that, too. I was on the side of don't do it. Because then, like, you didn't have that clear. Like, right now it's very clear what's on the line. Back then, it was just sort of like, hey, we're going to try something, like shrugging at it. So I think this was time to do it, because you have a real reason to do it.

[Chris]

So it. So are we complimenting Schumer right now?

[Rich]

We gotta get him on the show.

[Chris]

Sure, I will.

[Tim]

Well, no, I will, because, look, he put out a video last night that I actually said was very, very good. And it was. It really laid out what the. What the challenge was and what they were willing to do and what they weren't willing to do. And what would happen if Democrats caved, which was essentially that 15 million Americans would lose their health care and everyone else's premiums go up. And, you know, time and time again, we see that health care is one of the number one issues in this country, and they're playing right into it, and they're basically saying, if we cave, your health care is going to go up. So we are not going to do that. And the, the, the, the. The challenge for Trump and the Republicans is that the longer this goes on, the longer that people start to understand the government services that they've come to rely on and maybe not even know that they're from the government, are from the government and they don't get them anymore.

[Rich]

Keep government out of my Social Security.

[Tim]

Yeah, keep. Yeah, keep their hands off care was one. I think I saw somewhere something like that. I think that was Tea Party days that we saw that stuff to show you that it wasn't really about health care, guys. Yeah, it wasn't about health care, guys. It was about the black president. And, you know.

[Rich]

Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. Are you serious?

[Tim]

What?

[Rich]

It was about the black president?

[Tim]

The Tea Party.

[Rich]

I thought it was about. Sorry, keep going.

[Tim]

Okay, okay. I think, I think. I think your sarcasm went right over my head. But yes, it was. The Tea Party was mostly about the black president and not about spending. Because if it was about spending, they would have been screaming about George W. Bush, who completely obliterated the deficit anyways.

[Luke]

Enough. They don't know what that means.

[Rich]

Quick sidebar. He lost him in deficit.

[Tim]

But one thing that, that Americans do understand and are nervous about is air traffic controllers are paid by the federal government, and I don't think they're being paid right now. And I think that we actually saw a increase in the amount of people who were calling in sick to do this because they're. I didn't put the air quotes up.

[Rich]

But Trump always makes, also makes one.

[Luke]

Of the most stressful jobs in America, and you don't want to do it if you're not getting paid.

[Tim]

Shocker, Right?

[Rich]

Yeah.

[Russell]

Really?

[Rich]

Right. And they're threatening back pay, too. They're, they're trying to keep back pay as a, as a bargaining chip on the table. Even though Trump is the one who signed the last law saying that you get back pay during, after a government shutdown.

[Tim]

But he forgot air traffic controllers, though. What did he say about it?

[Luke]

And he goes, well, it's, it's just going to be longer lines at the airport. The Democrats love long lines or something along the line.

[Chris]

I was like, what the.

[Russell]

Are we talking about long lines?

[Luke]

I don't think the air traffic controllers are in charge of the lines at tsa.

[Rich]

You know, he's usually better at Burns. That's, that's pretty lazy.

[Russell]

Yeah, that's like, that's like the kind.

[Rich]

Of thing I say to my kids when I'm trying to watch a game or, or a TV show. They keep asking me questions. I mean, just say whatever.

[Tim]

I will. I will never not have TSA pre check because I hate lines. So I guess I think most of us have that because, I mean, not that we need, not that we need to delete.

[Chris]

Tim.

[Tim]

Well, right, but I don't know if we need to necessarily debunk the, like, Democrats love long lines. I don't think that one's gonna stick particularly well, but there have been some airports where they have not had air traffic controllers, and other airports have had to take over in the regional, especially the smaller places. Like, it's a real problem. And, you know, Americans want air traffic controllers, so it's not a really good.

[Luke]

That's a bipartisan opinion.

[Tim]

Yeah, I feel like we can all agree on that. Right.

[Rich]

I saw that scene in, in Breaking Bad when the air traffic controller. Yeah. Oh, my God.

[Luke]

Yeah.

[Rich]

We don't have to talk about Breaking Bad again, but we, we hashed that out pretty well. But, yeah, that, that scene still lives in my head. We don't need that. And Trump is making it more likely that that kind of stuff happens.

[Tim]

Yeah.

[Chris]

Yeah.

[Tim]

So, you know, Democrats are winning. Sure did a great video. They have been Reusing creators very effectively as well. I think we've seen a lot of them on the Hill and a lot of them talking to their audiences. And I know there's. There's a lot of coordination going on, which is great. So we will see. But Democrats have the upper hand, and Donald Trump doesn't like losing, so I'll be interested to see how much longer he allows this, allows us to go on. But there is another. Another thing that MAGA is all bent out of shape about, guys.

[Chris]

And this is when AOC called Stephen Miller 4 foot 10. And Fox News covered that exclusively for, like, an entire evening.

[Rich]

They spent the whole night.

[Tim]

I. I wasn't talking about that, but I think anything that disparages that awful fascist guy, I'm all for pieces.

[Russell]

Absolutely.

[Chris]

He seems to be. And all of MAGA seems to be very upset about it.

[Tim]

Well, MAGA is the biggest. They are the snowflakes. This is the funniest thing about all of this, right? Like, they're always like, oh, we're the big, tough men. And they followed the biggest crybaby on earth. They follow this little pipsqueak who, by the way, grew up in Santa Monica and a very, like, affluent area. And I don't know where this rage came from, but now, like, seems to hate anybody who isn't exactly like him. And they just melt down every time AOC made a height joke and they all lost their minds. You know, it's this. It's like, what I was actually going to make. Oh, go ahead.

[Rich]

Sorry. Well, no, I think we could talk about Stephen Miller just for a minute. No, I. I got the impression after the. He joined that. The podcast with J.D. vance a couple of weeks ago, and J.D. vance was the one. He was, you know, he was the host, and he kicked it over to Stephen Miller, and he. He had a look on his face that I can only described as, like, contempt. And it was. It caught me off guard because I don't watch. I try to not watch these people say anything ever. And in that case, I did. And the way their body language was very awkward. And he said something to Stephen Miller along the lines of, like, keep it brief. And like, hey, like, explain this, but please keep it brief. Or, like, keep it to 30 seconds. And so I. I got this bug in my head, like, does everybody secretly hate Stephen Miller in the. In the Trump administration? So I started looking it up. Rolling Stone did a whole expose just about a month ago on Stephen Miller, and they talked to people who knew him on Capitol Hill when he worked for Jeff Sessions, which I didn't know that he worked for Jeff Sessions as like an aide. They, they said he was like psychotically intense. There were rumors that he played, like, they made a rumor that he played with porcelain dolls in his free time because that's the energy that he brought to the room. And so it was like, oh, shit. I kept pulling these threads and you know, like, plenary. Plenary authority. Luke, like you said that like that just that phrase. Regardless of what he was going to say about it, we all saw that. I think that clip that's been going around. Donald Trump is not a person who uses a phrase like plenary authority. And I feel like if you use that in his, in his presence, he'd be like, what the fuck are you talking about? Like, he has that, that angry nerd energy that I think is off putting for everyone, including people on the right. And so, I don't know. I've enjoyed living in space in my head for the last couple of days.

[Luke]

Did you guys see the White House comms director response to this though? The 410 comment? No, craziest, I think, of the whole thing. He made a, a direct comment to AOC on Twitter. I don't call it X about how apparently she must be used to the little things in life.

[Russell]

Jesus.

[Luke]

Oh my God.

[Tim]

That's shameful.

[Luke]

That's the, it's the, it's, it's the White House in a nutshell right there.

[Tim]

Well, the problem is that Donald Trump's inner circle are all a bunch of hanger ons and they are all clawing each at each other to get closer to Trump. So they aren't friends with each other. They're all like, at best, you know, when it's convenient for them to be friendly, they do. But it's just a bad group of people because Donald Trump is a bad person and bad people follow bad people. And that's what we're seeing here.

[Luke]

Yeah, look at his faith advisor or ex faith adviser.

[Tim]

Oh yeah, what happened to that guy?

[Rich]

Ra.

[Luke]

A 12 year old girl for four years.

[Russell]

That's nothing good.

[Tim]

Yeah, so.

[Luke]

And you know, all the while saying is Hail Marys.

[Rich]

It's insane, you know, you know that those kinds of sentences are coming when we talk about this. And yet it still catches me off guard every time.

[Luke]

Still. It's still awful.

[Rich]

It's like full on gallows humor. You're like, I know this is real and I, and it shouldn't be, and yet it is. And I have to like, you know, go to soccer Practice the end of the week, like, nothing is happening.

[Chris]

I think what we talked about last episode in, like, we need bullies. I, I think this is like, what's happening to Stephen Miller and his meltdown. His literal, like, brain melting on during a CNN interview. If you make fun of people like this, it, it completely dismantles their ability to go on offense.

[Russell]

Yes.

[Chris]

So, you know, I, I think that, you know, protesters, if they're going to take the time to make a sign, like, you should make pictures of, of Stephen Miller as Gollum and call him short king. Like, that type of thing ending up in a newspaper will drive him insane and make him less effective in what he's attempting to do is use the military as, as an absolute force through the plenary authority of, of the United States President to take over Illinois, Washington State, California, you name it. So, so these, like, these little things that I gained great pleasure out of picking on bullies, so this is selfish of me. I want to see more people do that. And, and I think that we should use every opportunity that we, that we can to hurt MAGA feelings.

[Tim]

Well, mockery has been shown to work for, in fascist regimes or dictatorships. It's like when once you start breaking down their worst nightmare, that, that wall, and it's Donald Trump's worst nightmare is to.

[Chris]

That's why they went after Kim and Colbert.

[Rich]

It's why, it's why Tim Walls's weird comment hit, hit so well. And it caught us all off guard because it was like, I'm weird. We're all, I'm awkward as fuck. We're all weird. Like, what? Where is this coming from? But for those, those guys, if you remember all those peaks in high school boys and girls, being weird or abnormal was like the worst thing that you could ever be. And it's like, oh, yeah, I forgot. They called us weird because they thought that was like the, the cruelest thing you could say to someone. We just didn't care because we're like, maybe I just like being weird.

[Tim]

Well, there is another thing that they're being very weird about right now, and that is the announcement that Bad Bunny will be the halftime performer at the super bowl this year, wherever it is, in, in February. And MAGA had an absolute complete meltdown, including from the White House, because he's Mexican. That.

[Rich]

Yeah, right. He's from Colombia. He's a cocaine dealer. What? I. So, oh, wait, he's Puerto Rican.

[Tim]

They don't know that that's part of.

[Luke]

The US they need to go back.

[Chris]

To Puerto Rico, they need to leave the US like, that is what Maga is out there saying.

[Tim]

So there have been a lot of CR Things about this, but my favorite one was by Tomi Lahren, who is a right wing.

[Rich]

I don't want to talk about.

[Tim]

No, no, we're gonna talk, but this is gonna. Like this one. You'll like this one. Because she. It appears in the video that she doesn't understand that Puerto Rico is part of the United States.

[Russell]

Yeah, she does.

[Tim]

So she. She made some comments to a reporter, whoever it was who would go on that show, and basically said, like, basically set a version of Needs to. We need an American performer. And the person was like, well, but Puerto Rico is part of the United States. And she just had this, like, one of those. I mean, Toby Lahren has, like, mastered the art of the dead stare because she doesn't actually know what she's talking about. And so there's just this, like, empty glare. But I. They even asked Mike Johnson about it. Who. He's said, I don't know who Bad Bunny is. But then he also said it was a bad idea, which just means he's just parroting whatever everybody else wants him to say.

[Rich]

I need to be mad about this, right?

[Russell]

Yeah, I was supposed to be mad.

[Tim]

The person.

[Rich]

The.

[Tim]

The person needs to be singing in English. I'm like, that Bunny's, like the biggest artist in the world right now.

[Russell]

The world. Right.

[Tim]

Like, him and Taylor Swift are like the. The two biggest ones. And like, what we do.

[Luke]

I know what we can do. We can get Zach Brian instead. Oh, wait, they're all butt hurt about him, too.

[Tim]

Yeah.

[Chris]

So what was the.

[Luke]

Luke.

[Tim]

What. What did he do? What did he drop the other day?

[Luke]

He's dropping an anti ice protest song. And I, you know, I think he's a bad person, like, personally, but at least he's doing this.

[Russell]

I don't know anything about him. Why is he a bad person? He's an abuser.

[Chris]

Yeah.

[Russell]

Not great.

[Luke]

What was that?

[Tim]

What was that?

[Rich]

That was a dog. That wasn't frosting.

[Tim]

Okay. I was gonna say that was frosting.

[Rich]

I can hear a dog shaking from a mile away.

[Tim]

Yeah, but isn't it funny? Isn't it funny, though, that they. They like, all collectively lose their mind because a Spanish language pop star basically is going to be performing for what, 15 minutes right at the Super Bowl? Like, who gives a shit?

[Luke]

Ice to be there.

[Chris]

There. There is a reason that they give a. It's because when they hear people speak other languages, they feel stupid. And they feel afraid.

[Rich]

Yeah.

[Chris]

And I'm, I'm saying that as you know, as a former conservative, like that, that is why.

[Tim]

Right.

[Chris]

You know, Spanish used to bother me on the train when I was a kid. I like, I, I wish that that wasn't the truth, but that's the way that I fe. Is why so many people get upset about the idea of Bad body being at the Super Bowl. It is because it makes them feel stupid.

[Luke]

And that I hope he doesn't is.

[Chris]

What we should talk about is that Maga just has low self esteem. They're afraid of things they don't understand. And rather than educate themselves, they'd rather dispute hate.

[Rich]

I think that's the, that's the key piece there because I also, I don't, I speak white guy English in the suburbs. Like, I'm sorry, that's the, that's the only English I know. That's the only language I know. I also feel stupid when I hear people speaking Spanish because I think I should learn Spanish. Why am I so stupid? Everybody else is bilingual and they're smarter than me, and I'm stupid.

[Chris]

I, I tried and I could not.

[Russell]

I said it's impossible.

[Rich]

But, but that's because I know how to deal with emotions. When I feel stupid, the first thing I ask is, is it my fault? And, and, and when they feel stupid, they just externalize it. Like, obviously, I am the only real American. So, like, if you start with that default position, then anything that isn't, that isn't part of that Persona, that part, that identity is an attack on it. And they, they don't know how to reconcile unpleasant emotions. And so they just turn everything into fear, anger, or sometimes physical violence.

[Tim]

Well, they're also, every day, they're all, they're told every day, all day long that their problems are somebody else is somebody else caused those problems. Whether they listen to a podcast or whether they're on Facebook or whether they're watching Fox News, they are being told, especially people of, you know, Hispanic descent are, you know, they're running over the borders illegally and they're, you know, they're raping and killing everybody, even though they're not. And, you know, they're told these things and then they see this, this bad bunny guy that they don't understand and they lose their minds. But it's funny that they say, like, well, we needed American halftime when we've had Paul McCartney, we've had you two, you know, people that are not Americans at all. I'm sure there's some Other ones, I think. Oh, did Coldplay do it?

[Russell]

Yeah, I think Coldplay did it one year.

[Tim]

Yeah, they're a very sick.

[Luke]

I feel like that show is kind of mid, though.

[Rich]

I feel like America and for them is maybe just like a euphemism for white.

[Russell]

Yeah. Yes.

[Rich]

It's.

[Tim]

I think you. I think you might be on to something, Rich.

[Russell]

I think especially how last year, you know, they're all like, well, how could you do this? Like, would you. What? Put the most popular hip hop artist.

[Luke]

On stage, who's literally one Pulitzer for his writing. Because he is a genius.

[Russell]

A genius. Like, the best rapper of all time by far.

[Tim]

But it all comes back to the fact that the. They should call MAGA the Grievance Party.

[Rich]

They're.

[Tim]

That's all it is, is grievance. You. You did this to me. You did. And it's like, well, what about what you're doing to other people? Like, it's just.

[Rich]

That's just America. Yeah, right. America is doing it to them, and they're part of America.

[Tim]

Right.

[Rich]

The party of identity policy, grievance.

[Chris]

So a lot of people, like, I run an organization called Veterans Fighting Fascism. Right. A lot of people get confused about what fascism is, and they think that it's a label like Democrat or Republican.

[Rich]

Right.

[Chris]

Fascism has certain elements of it. It's. It's a way of thinking. It's a way of being. And in maga, I wish I recognized this earlier in my life. I didn't until I got a degree in political science. But MAGA is a fascist party, and a big part of that is grievance is a core tenet of everything. Everything that they believe, that they do, and what rallies them to support Trump. And it's. What makes Trump so uniquely dangerous is he has figured out a way to leverage that grievance, and through that, he has pushed the Overton window to a point where we have masked agents standing on the stop on. On the top of buildings shooting protesters in the face with pepper balls. Like, a year ago, that person would have been tried. Like, they would have gone to jail for that.

[Tim]

Yep.

[Chris]

Like, caught on camera that a white guy was the victim, by the way, that's probably the only reason they would have gone to jail. But, like, Trump's fascism has. Has normalized state violence against civilians in a way that we have not seen, you know, at all in. In my lifetime.

[Rich]

Yeah, I mean, the. The George Floyd protest, this was like, mid Covid. And so I think a lot of people just had a lot on their plate early Covid, but the George Floyd protests were, were really, really severe, rightfully so, obviously, but it was very bad. And he, and he got close to, you know, invoking. He threatened to invoke the Insurrection Act. Back then that was, you know, it's like, put it on my tab at that point, you know, like mid-2020. Everything was a nightmare. And so I think people, you know, didn't maybe spiral quite as much because the presidential election was right around the corner, but it was really bad. And, and he wanted to do all of these things, but I think because he was coming into an election, you know, there were more things that he had to, you know, I think consider politically. And so he didn't. But certainly he's trying to get us to a place where that is more normal. As we look at like Chicago and Portland, there's going to be dual hearings today, the day that the, that the episode releases in Portland and Chicago, determining if these deployments are, are going to be allowed. And he's already threatened again, you know, for like the hundred billionth time this year to invoke the Insurrection act, which would. To get around slow judges and slow governors and mayors that don't cooperate. That's how he described it. Not to quell a rebellion or an actual insurrection, but to get around politically inconvenient barriers for, for him. So I don't know, we should we maybe talk about that? Because I'm certainly getting a lot of comments from people saying, you know, martial law is coming. It's not martial law and the Insurrection act are not the same thing, but people are in a, in a scared place in their head. So, like, what, what happens over the next week?

[Chris]

Yeah, why? I, I think we should name why people are scared. And that's because there are creators like Aaron Parness who just go out and repeat, you know, headlines and take the, the worst possible sky is falling thing, and they do endless videos about it like that, that. And a lot of our audience I know listens to creators like that. And it's not good like there, there's a reason that I don't do that, and that's because I feel it's fundamentally wrong to cause mental distress to, to people delivering bad news all the time without giving them anything to do, anything that empowers them.

[Rich]

It's, it's paralyzing and it feels, and if, and it does feel manipulative after a while because we've, we've been trained to be in this headspace by CNN and MSNBC and a lot of the Left leaning networks do just as much fear mongering as the right, because it's incredibly effective. You're craving a dopamine spike of good news, and you just keep coming back, getting lower and lower and lower. And then they're like, here's a puppy riding a turtle at the end of the broadcast. And you're like, well, everything is better now. And that's how we've been trained by the News for like 15, 20 years. And so it's not a new thing, but it is so fucking frustrating to watch it just persist at a time when I think really more than ever, we need to, like, we're all afraid all the time. I wake up every day, half an hour before my alarm in some sort of a panic state, and I have to work my way out of it. We don't need to be more afraid. It's not that. That is not where we're at in, in what people need. We need anything else.

[Russell]

Yeah, I mean, I think the question starts to become how far is Trump willing to go on all this stuff? Right? That's, that's the set. And nobody seems to know the answer. But, like, I think there are clues we can use that can chill us out a little bit with a lot of this stuff. Because Trump's sort of like superpower is he knows the line. And then he goes up to the line and like, peeks over it and goes, nah, I'm not going.

[Rich]

He tickles it just a little bit.

[Russell]

But he threatens what? Crossing the line forever. Like, he'll, he'll get up to that line and like, you know, tiptoe and dance on it for ever and pretend like he's gonna jump right over. And he almost never. Not to say he hasn't like, ice the stuff. Ice is, I argue, has gone over that line, but horrible. But like, he's slow play. Like, what he tries to do is he dances on that line so long that the line moves and then he can. That's. That's his strategy. So, like, I never expect some big, like, holy, the military's just rolling into a city kind of thing, because that's just not his way of acting. He, like, threatens it for a year, and then when he finally does some version of it, people are like, all right, see, it wasn't that bad because he set a different expectation.

[Luke]

Exactly.

[Rich]

Yeah.

[Chris]

But the context is like, the reaction to the Charlie Kirk murder that we saw last month. Like, that in the minds of, of many Americans, like, started to justify the type of violence that, like, ice is Doing as, as a response.

[Tim]

Yes.

[Chris]

So we can't just think of, of Trump as the lone actor. We have to think about the stochastic terrorism of Trump, you know, coming out, picking targets, you know, calling, as of the day, we're recording this, calling for the arrest of this mayor of Chicago, that type of thing. When the arrest doesn't happen, it makes these crazy MAGA morons think that they need to go out and be a vigilante and like take action. We saw that years ago with Trump doing this to judges and districts, attorneys and attorneys general. This, like, Trump is not the lone actor. And we're reaching a point where folks on the left and these meme shooters who are unaffiliated and you can't put on a clean political spectrum, they are actors in this too. So what I fear most, maybe fear's not the right. What I expect is, is that there will be other acts of violence that will give Trump the opportunity to step over that line. He will have the political capital necessary to step over that line. And I think it'll happen, you know, sooner than we might want it to.

[Tim]

Well, and I think it's important to go back to the left leaning creator space, as we are all creators, even though I don't really like that term. You know, the challenge, the positive of that ecosystem is like what we're seeing with the shutdown, where like it's, we're able to amplify messages and tailor them to different audiences and we're winning. The bad side is that there is, there's no like journalistic code of ethic. Like journalists have a standard that they have to meet, meet. And when you're an individual with a phone, all the only standards you have to meet is your set. It was whatever you set for yourself. So we, there are people out there, like the one that was named that, you know, they. Tim, I get it. It's all right, you said it. It's fine that, that ramp up because that's the social media algorithms reward that type because it's all about engagement. The way you get people to engage is by scaring them, making them mad or making them laugh or making them cry. It is something horrified, shocked. Yeah, all of these things, right? If you're just reporting like, well, Trump said for the 18th time that he's going to do the Insurrection act, even though he never does it. Like that video will bomb. If you say, you know, we're getting close to this moment, alarm bells are going on.

[Luke]

It's also bells are going off.

[Tim]

Alarm bells are going off like check.

[Luke]

Back in in four hours.

[Tim]

Right.

[Luke]

Not only do you guarantee this video, you guarantee the next video. Same cable news has been doing forever. Yeah, right.

[Tim]

It's, it's the exact same thing except even less standards because you know, I mean cable news can still get sued and you know Fox had to pay almost a billion, well three quarters of a billion dollars to settle a lawsuit where they lied about Dominion. But individual people don't have that. And I think we have to do a better job on our side. I don't think anybody here does it of like using rage and anger when it is appropriate and in the appropriate context. But if you are just doing it to, to build an audience and to basically build a mob, it can be a very dangerous thing. And it's very bad for people's mental health to, to hear that all the time. And also leads to apathy because if you are told there aren't going to be elections next year, there's going to be martial law, people aren't going to vote.

[Luke]

Right.

[Tim]

And that's what the right way.

[Rich]

Right. It's paralyzing. Fear is paralyzing. If you don't pair it with either of call to action or hope. That just makes you think, well I'm going to wake up tomorrow and I think I will be able to do something to help. If you don't at least have that, that's when people get to a really bad place and then when you're hope, that's when bad, far worse things happen. People are capable of a lot worse stuff when they have no hope. So we, we don't. And whether that's inaction or whether that's self destructive action or publicly destructive action. So we cannot let. I like this country still. I don't want it to be a dumpster fire, civil war thing where everybody's killing each other that all of that. I have kids but I also don't want that for people. So let's, let's, let's not do that. I think when I look at like ICE and the National Guard, one thing that really shocked me after the CK thing last month was nobody could prevent social from showing that fucking horrible traumatizing video to everybody. And I thought about that in the context of like you know, North Korea, Germany in the 30s and 40s. Fascist control of media outlets is something that, that goes hand in hand and like they're, they, he tries to control everything he can but nobody controlled that when, when, when bad things happen. I saw that priest get shot in the Head with a pepper fucking bullet. It's six different videos, I think this morning in Chicago. Those things being seen are what keep Trump honest and will have to keep Trump and, And not just Trump, but the Trump administration and I. Because when that starts to get out, it's like that monk that's self immolated in the, in the, in the. That's all I have to say. And you get that image in your head of this monk sitting there on fire. It is visually traumatizing to see bad things happen. And it. People up and makes them want to make that stop. And, and so we need to. I hate seeing bad things, but when those bad things happen, let's make sure everybody knows that all of this shit is happening because of Donald Trump and because of Donald Trump's Republicans in Congress who have given him permission to do whatever he wants.

[Tim]

Well, this is why there have been politicians on the left who have said, if you see this stuff, record it. Record everything you can, because people need to see this stuff. It goes back to. We've talked about this a few episodes ago. I think it was Emmett Till. The story of Emmett Till.

[Rich]

Yes.

[Tim]

Who was brutally murdered by a white mob because they claimed that he whistled at a, a. At a white girl, which. The evidence is very, very slim on that. And then I think they dumped the body in a river. And at the funeral, they. It was a closed casket. And his mom said, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. I need the world to see what they did to my son.

[Russell]

Right.

[Tim]

And you can look that photo up to this day. It is horrific. And it led to some positive change. So, yes, there, there's, there's a, you know, a time and a. In a place for that stuff. And I've actually argued for a long time, even though it's uncomfortable for people that show the gunshot victims.

[Russell]

Right.

[Tim]

Show the mass shooting victim. I mean, if the families are okay with it, like, yeah, if I am ever the victim of that show my body. Because the thing is, the people do not understand, like, when you hear about something like, oh, someone got shot with a pepper ball, it's like, oh, okay, rubber bullet, like, whatever. It bounced right off that. Like, could do serious damage. You could go blind, hit you in the throat. Like, there's lots of very bad things. And also just seeing the carnage, as much as I hate it, I think people need to see it.

[Chris]

Yeah. So in, in the spirit of what we're talking about, I want to offer people a resource. So my nonprofit task force, Butler Institute, has two instruction manuals on the website you can go to taskforcebutler.org we have our community response guide that is very entry level. This is for people who don't consider themselves activists, don't, you know, typically go out and protest really accessible stuff on how you build community and gather evidence of criminality. Now while this was written to gather evidence of criminality by hate groups, it also applies to ice. You do the same things, it'll tell you like how to take photos, the, the way to preserve evidence and everything. Right. The more advanced that we have, more advanced version that we have is called the Street Teams Guide. This is for people who are, are regularly out in the street, who are protesting, who have a trusted crew. You can get more, you can get stronger evidence if you're working with a team. So our point here at Find out is not to scare you, it is not to make you feel hopeless. As bad as all of these things you know, may be. We talk about Trump being an authoritarian and we all have to deal with that. But, but we're doing this because we believe that there's a way out. Otherwise we would all leave and we'd all shut up.

[Rich]

Right.

[Tim]

Well and it's more important than ever to do that because we can no longer rely on legacy or mainstream media to carry our water. I mean most of them have paid Trump off in these silly lawsuits. And we saw this week, last week, week that CBS News has purchased Barry Weiss's Free Press substack and are going to name her for $150 million and are going to, which is just insane. And they're going to. She is becoming the editor in chief of CBS News. She is a, a, a journalist, quote unquote that has like basically made her entire name off of going after anti woke behavior. Which anti woke behavior is just like being a reasonable non racist person. But has, but she is now going to be in charge of editorial at CBS News. And this is why street teams people on the street and frankly to be so to be entirely self promotional. Why we are doing this here at the Find out podcast and Find Out Media because it has, we have to continue to talk about this stuff and we have to make sure that the information is getting out to the public because we can't rely, I mean CBS News like that Dan Rather, like I used to watch him growing up and you would trust what he had to say. And you know, and now Barry Weiss is the person like who couldn't hack it at the New York Times because she claimed it was too woke. I'm like what on earth are you thinking?

[Chris]

So at the risk of going out over our skis, I think we should also talk about what we're trying to build with our community. Yeah, like we, we are. I, I am not. This is actually the opposite of what I want to do. So I'm going to hand it over to Tim and let Tim talk about what we're building.

[Tim]

So we're, you know, I think that we all understand that pretty much every social media app and all, most of the legacy media is all in control of billionaires that do not have our political best interest in mind. I mean CBS is owned by Paramount which was purchased by Larry Ellison who owns Oracle and is own TikTok as well and he is a friend of President Trump. So what we are trying to do, Luke as well, I'm gonna throw your name in there because you're is we are going to build an online community where our followers can come and have conversations about. Sometimes it will be about politics, sometimes maybe it's just about a movie or sports or music. Because part of being informed is also of part being able to have fun as well because we can't. When you're talking about this doom scrolling and these people telling you that every, everything is fucked. A lot of it is, not all of it. We also need outlets and like we hear from so many of you in red states who feel like you're alone and we want to create community because one, it's good for everybody to have a community, everybody needs a community. Two, it will lead to more action in, you know, winning as many seats as we can in the House next year, taking back the Senate as well and then preparing for that monster battle two years later which is for the White House. So we're not ready yet, but we are building it. We'd also love to hear from you about what you would like to see it in because this is, I mean it's for us, but it's also for you. And we don't want algorithms telling you which things you should see and which things you shouldn't. We want you to be able to have conversations with people across the country. I mean everybody and everybody is welcome and hopefully in the next few weeks we will have more to say about that. But we realized that we need to build something on our own because otherwise we will be beholden to a billionaire who will not have our best interest and we just cannot have that right now. We will still use all those channels to reach out to people, but we are going to build this community so please, in the comments on this and. Or you can email us at [e-mail] and tell us what you want to see about it. So that is what that is.

[Rich]

I want to see $150 million so that we can sell ourselves to Paramount. That's what I want to see.

[Tim]

Are we. Yeah, we promise to not sell to a right wing billionaire. I'm going to just promise that for everybody.

[Rich]

If someone wants to give Larry ellison comes with $150 million to my door right now. Like, we're going to at least have a conversation about what this looks like.

[Chris]

So I'll take money from bad people and then use it against them.

[Tim]

That's the thing. Right? That's the thing. So you know what else? You know what else I see right now? I see a great hoodie on Rich right now. Do you want to show the crew what you got?

[Rich]

Yes, but I should have. I'm like, regretting not wearing the Five.

[Luke]

Faces hoodie, which doesn't have pants on.

[Rich]

That my wife. That my. That's all right. I'm a. I'm a. I'm a cuck. Beta soy boy. I'm just like a Ken doll. I'm bald from the waist down. Absolutely harmless.

[Tim]

But, yes, you have a very lovely hoodie. Imagine.

[Rich]

My wife just got the Five Faces one. That's what I was gonna say. So my wife just got it. She was like, you gotta get me the fight. Like, she only wants Tim's face on a hoodie. The rest of them are like collateral damage. But she. She saw the Five Faces and she's like, I have to have. She asked me like, every day for six days, like, when is it gonna be here? So it just got here yesterday. And she immediately pulled it on and then stuff in the couch.

[Tim]

Well, like, we're both wearing the very first ever. Yeah, I actually have my sweatshirt out there and I was gonna. I was gonna wear it and then take it off to have this, but it's so goddamn hot in this room. I couldn't. I couldn't stand it. I got new on. Oh, Luke's got the tree. The tree is very popular and the Five Faces are popular, you know, this one's not very popular anymore. But no one likes Newton and no one likes Newton.

[Chris]

Every day I'm just more upset about it. I'm watching the sales. No Newtons. No one's buying them.

[Luke]

You're breaking Chris's heart.

[Tim]

If someone wants to make Chris happy, go buy. Go buy one of those Newton shirts because they're made in America, they're union made, they're comfortable. And we, we reduce the cost a little bit or the price a little bit to make it easier for you all by. So if you want to get one of those, you can go to find out podcast.com and a lot of you have. So thank you for doing that because it helps to fuel this, this business and help us grow. So we really appreciate it and also we appreciate everybody who's become a paid subscriber on Substack, which you could do@findout podcast.substack.com all of these things help us build this media company. We are going to be building more shows with, with more, with more people. We'll have a lot more information about that soon. But the more that you support us, the more we can move faster. So we really appreciate that. And with that, we're actually at 12 o' clock on the dot. I have to run to a meeting. So we're going to end this. But thank you everybody. Keep up. Keep telling your friends about why the government is shut down and who is responsible for that because that is working. Word of mouth is incredibly, incredibly powerful in this moment. Keep telling those friends, even tell your MAGA uncle who doesn't want to hear it do that and we will win this thing. And hopefully at the end of the day, more people will be able to keep their health care, which is the most important part here. So with that, thank you all for listening and we will be back on Tuesday. Have a great weekend everybody.