El-Sayed Wins Michigan (Barely) — What It Means for Progressives

Summary

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The Find Out Podcast

Episode: El-Sayed Wins Michigan (Barely) — What It Means for Progressives
Date: August 7, 2026
Hosts: Tim, Zach, Luke, Rich

Episode Overview

The crew tackles the stunningly close victory of Abdul El-Sayed in Michigan’s Democratic Senate primary—the most expensive in U.S. history. They break down the race’s razor-thin margin, what it signals for progressive politics in swing states, and why the “progressive wave” narrative may not fit messy electoral realities. The group also digs into why progressives struggle with Black voters, the persistent socialism label, swing state math, and how Democrats can (or can’t) message their way out of trouble. The latter half of the episode swerves into anti-vax absurdities, scammy right-wing grift, Kansas ballot initiatives, and Congressional sleazebags, all in the crew’s signature candid, irreverent style.

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Main Themes and Segment Timestamps

• El-Sayed’s Narrow Michigan Victory and Progressive Implications ............ [01:37-16:41]
• Progressivism’s Struggles with Black Voters & Party Dynamics .............. [09:03-13:48]
• Swing States, Labels, & Messaging in the Progressive Movement ............. [13:48-24:28]
• Kansas Ballot Measure and Republican Extremism ............................ [27:21-30:25]
• Anti-Vax Myths, RFK Jr., and Misinformation ............................... [31:05-43:12]
• Political Grifters and Congressional Scandals ............................. [49:16-54:35]

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1. El-Sayed’s Michigan Win & Progressive Headaches

[01:37-16:41]

• Shocking Closeness & Historic Spending
  • Tim: “Abdul Al Sayed is victorious… it is not a route like some people were expecting. It’s quite, quite close. About one and a half points… the most expensive Democratic primary for Senate in U.S. history.” [01:37]
  • Rich: “70 [million dollars from Stevens] was the last number I saw as of this morning.” [02:29]
• Progressives in Swing States—A Bad Omen?
  • Zach: “I don’t think this is a good sign for progressives performing well in swing states. Like, this is really, like, really bad… El Sayed is a well spoken, thoughtful, good candidate, but very progressive… and he barely won against a terrible opponent.” [02:43]
  • The group notes Stevens’ weakness as a candidate—suggesting her ideology, not her personal strengths, powered her share.
  • Luke: “She’s brain dead to me.” [03:29]
• Dividing Lines: Israel, Healthcare, the Democratic Base
  • Rich (referencing Jon Stewart and John Fetterman): “With all due respect, Israel is a different country when you’re talking about all of the good things we can do here economically…” [03:56]
  • The hosts note the tension between progressive domestic policies and centrist positions (especially on Israel) in Democratic primaries.

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2. Demographics, Maps, and Where Progressives Win

[04:44-13:48]

• Naming and Islamophobia Subtext
  • Luke: “Part of the problem… was his name—not a problem to me… but to a lot.” [04:44]
  • Rich: “They used his whole name when they talked about him… Already doing the Barack Hussein Obama routine.” [04:53]
• County-By-County Breakdown; Surprising Rural & Tribal Wins
  • Rich: “The dark green areas are college towns… Sayed ran up 20, 30, 40 point margins in the young educated areas… He won more than half of the Upper Peninsula counties.” [06:34]
  • Tim: “The Upper Peninsula is also heavily dominated by tribes… El Sayed won the Upper Peninsula and 11 of the 12 counties where there are tribes in Michigan and the counties with public universities…” [07:56]
• Persistent Progressive Blind Spots with Black Voters
  • Tim: “The problem that progressives have… is they are not landing with black voters. That is at least in this race because Stevens ran up the margins in Detroit…” [09:03]
  • Zach: “Not at all.” [09:15]
  • The group points out how Sanders and other progressives routinely get swamped in Southern, heavily Black Democratic electorates—an ongoing issue since at least 2016. [10:02]
• Enduring Power of Negative Ads and Party Endorsements
  • Tim: “He also withstood $70 million of negative TV ads and still won… learning that negative TV ads are just not working the way they used to.” [10:54]
  • Rich: “Money and classic campaigning are both way overstated.” [11:18]

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3. Progressivism, Swing States, Messaging

[13:48-24:28]

• Varying Definitions: Social Democrat vs. Democratic Socialist
  • Rich: “When you look at the roots of democratic socialism, it really goes back to Scandinavian social democracy, Scandinavian secularism…” [12:15]
  • Key insight: Some regions (rural Upper Midwest, college towns) are more open to New Deal-style big programs; others recoil at the “socialist” label.
• Black Voters’ Preferences—Results & Relatability > Ideology
  • Rich: “Black culture in the South… their, their politics are rooted in who’s doing the fucking work and who’s delivering the results for us right now… You don’t win it by talking like a poli sci professor.” [12:15]
• Messaging Pitfalls & Republican Attacks
  • Zach: “For Mamdani is a self admitted… DSA’s literature… is way different than what Mamdani is doing… But they [Republicans] can just easily… that is very, very bad.” [15:20]
  • Group laughs about “eliminate prisons; eliminate presidency” point in DSA docs. [15:42–16:10]
• How El-Sayed Navigates Labels—Advice for Progressives
  • Zach: “One thing I liked… he had a good clip: ‘Are you a democratic socialist?’… he’s like, ‘No, I’m a capitalist, I just think about it differently.’ That’s really smart… you can’t win in America if you’re anti capitalist. Just never going to fucking happen.” [16:29]
  • Rich: “If you just let [capitalism] do its own thing… it’ll melt down on its own and kill everybody. But if you just regulate it correctly, it can provide a lot for a lot of people.” [16:53]
• Local Experiments vs. National Rhetoric
  • Tim: “Government has to find a way to get back to trying and doing so that we find what works. Sometimes you don’t know what works until it actually is implemented.” [19:59]
  • Zach on policy pilots: “Like, I don’t agree with almost anything [Mamdani] wants to do, but I want it all. I want to see all of it done. Because I could be wrong. I don’t know… Try it. Let’s see. Hopefully I’m not.” [20:18]
  • Rich & Tim on public grocery stores: “Just subsidize the… immigrant owned or the other grocery stores… so they can just match the price.” [21:09]

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4. Kansas Ballot Measure & Republican Overreach

[27:21-30:25]

• Kansas Supreme Court & Abortion Rights
  • Rich: “Republicans seek to overhaul the way the Kansas Supreme Court justices are selected… because they hate women.” [27:21]
  • Result: Measure lost, pro-choice stances prevail—even in deep-red territory. [28:38]
  • Tim’s analysis: “They had the Republican fever dream… low taxes, cut benefits… sent the state right into the ground… Democrats were able to pick it up… Abortion is not a popular issue for Republicans—even in these places.” [28:38–30:25]

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5. Anti-Vax, COVID, and Misinformation—Satire & Frustration

[31:05-43:12]

• Fauci, COVID Politics, Conservative Outrage Machine
  • Tim: “So the notion that Anthony Fauci, NIH, CDC, everybody should have known exactly how to stop a brand new virus… is a joke. It’s insane.” [32:13]
  • Rich (sarcastic): “Alright, I coughed up a 5G chip yesterday, actually.” [33:32]
• Refuting Anecdotes and Pseudoscience
  • Zach: “It’s like arguing against seatbelts because the majority of people who die in car accidents are wearing their seatbelt.” [34:12]
  • Luke shares a sauna story of a man who believes ketogenic diets cure cancer and doctors are hiding the truth, triggering a mythbusting aside on clinical trials and vaccine processes. [35:49–38:19]
• mRNA, Raw Milk, and the Limits of Reason
  • Zach: “If they knew the potential benefits of mRNA… Like, it could literally be the thing that ultimately cures cancer.” [39:30]
  • Tim: “If you spend two minutes googling mRNA vaccines… it has been going on since the 80s or 90s. This ain’t new.” [40:00]
  • Rich: “But like the MRI… you’re saying it’s basically like 75% done. And then you take the variant, put a version of it in. That’s it. Instead of building from scratch.” [41:20]
  • Luke on anti-vaxers: “I’m convinced that there’s not a dumber group of people on this planet than anti vaxxers.” [35:12]
• Grift and False Claims: RFK Jr. & Money Games
  • Zach: “Look into the Children’s Health Defense Fund… RFK’s organization… he has used as a primary means to enrich himself based on putting vax misinformation out.” [47:02]
  • Luke: “If you want to talk about scam shit, why aren’t the Trump administration… allowed to do business in New York anymore? Right. Because they took money from kids with cancer.” [47:34]
  • Tim on Trump Organization bank shenanigans: “They had shut down over 300 Trump accounts for anti money laundering purposes… 300 bank accounts at Capital One—a lot.” [48:07]

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6. Political Scandals & Candidate Carousel

[49:16-54:35]

• House Ethics, Sexual Harassment, and GOP Crop Rotation
  • Rich: “Representative Chuck Edwards of North Carolina… dropping his reelection bid… persistent, unprofessional, and inappropriate conduct toward two young female staffers.” [49:40]
  • Zach: “It’s always the ones you most suspect.” [50:06]
  • List of gifts from Edwards to staffers includes jewelry, guns, and shoes—“One of these is not like the other.” [51:17]
• District Dysfunction—Previous Rep Was Madison Cawthorn
  • Tim: “Who was the congressman in that district before him? Madison Cawthorn… who also, I think, assaulted women… all the Republicans ousted him. He was that bad.” [53:12]

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “She’s brain dead to me.” —Luke on Haley Stevens [03:29]
• “You have to do it, take all the money you need and get it done. And… he let the scientists do their thing.” —Rich, on Operation Warp Speed [37:49]
• “The majority of people who die in car accidents are wearing their seatbelt. Doesn’t mean it’s unsafe to wear the seatbelt, you fucking idiot.” —Zach [34:22]
• “They just want, like, a really simple fucking narrative, and they want it to all feel like common sense, but it’s like, dude, this is complicated shit.” —Zach [46:29]
• “I’m convinced that there’s not a dumber group of people on this planet than anti vaxxers.” —Luke [35:12]
• “You don’t win it by talking like a poli sci professor. You win it by, by getting your hands dirty.” —Rich [12:15]
• “Money and classic campaigning are both way overstated.” —Rich [11:18]

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Key Takeaways

• El-Sayed’s narrow win is ominous for progressives in swing states; large outside spending and the “socialist” label weigh heavily.
• Rural and tribal voters can be won by progressives—if candidates show up and translate their agenda in old-school, practical terms.
• A chasm remains between progressive messaging and Black voter coalitions, especially outside the urban North and Northeast.
• The “DSA” and “socialist” smears remain highly effective for GOP attack ads; careful, values-first, practical language is essential.
• TV attack ads and money matter less than before—strong communication and authenticity win more votes.
• The right-wing anti-vax movement is not only dangerous but lucrative for its celebrities and grifters.
• Republican extremism, especially on abortion and democracy, keeps coming up short even in red states—there is opportunity for smart Democratic messaging.
• Congressional sleaze is, as ever, alive and well; gaffes and scandals abound on both sides, with extra helpings on the GOP side this cycle.

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[Tim]

Hey, everybody, welcome back to the Find out podcast. You got a full crew, no guests today. So you've got Tim, Zach, Luke and Rich. And I'm wearing my glasses because I'm going to be doing some of my best Steve Kornacki impersonations and reading some numbers. But we are, we're recording this on Wednesday, which means that the Michigan Senate race, the on the Democratic side, was decided last night and Abdul Al Said is victorious. It is not a route like some people were expecting. It's quite, quite close. About one and a half points with, I think, 96, 97 reporting. So, like, it's pretty much a done deal at this point. So this is also the most expensive Democratic primary for Senate in U.S. history with actually Haley Stevens, I think, vastly outspending El said. Yeah, like, I think she had $60 million of outside money.

[Rich]

70 was the last number I saw as of this morning.

[Luke]

Jesus Christ.

[Tim]

Well, guys, so how. Let's break it down. What did we learn last night?

[Zach]

I mean, I'll Tell you what I learned that I think will piss a lot of people off.

[Luke]

Go for it.

[Tim]

Well, that's the best way to start.

[Zach]

I don't think this is a good sign for progressives performing well in swing states. Like, this is really, like, really bad. You know, like, ultimately, El Said or Sayed is a well spoken, thoughtful, good candidate, but very progressive lands in a place that a lot of progressive people wanted to land. And he barely won against a terrible opponent. That in a, in a swing state, that is not a good sign. Like, and he also dramatically underperformed the polling. So I don't see, like, clearly it doesn't take much for people to look at this Democrats centrist and go, I don't care who the opponent, who his opponent is. I don't like what he's pitching, so I don't want it. And that was a, like, Stevens didn't get 47%. Her ideology did. She's a bad candidate.

[Luke]

She's brain dead to me.

[Zach]

Right?

[Luke]

It's brain dead. Here's somebody who talks about how they dream of Israel and, you know, global health, you know, Medicare for all that. Why bother with that? Yeah, we look at those two things, sandwich or healthcare. And you're like, I know which one I want.

[Rich]

Yeah, Jon Stewart, I just saw a video this morning. He had Fetterman on talking about the same thing.

[Luke]

Oh, I saw that too.

[Rich]

And it was so good because he just was like, with all due respect, Israel is a different country when you're talking about all of the good things that we can do here economically. And in terms of, I mean, healthcare is economics, but it's also everything else from the, from the democratic socialist left. And then you pick giving money and bombs to some other country somewhere else, regardless of the motive and the cause, allegedly and all of that. And Fetterman was just like, listen, when it comes down to it, I have to support Israel. It's like, okay, so you, you just got smoked by that question and you had to go back to the, like, I stand with Israel. Like, just. He went to a stump speech facing Jon Stewart, which, like, don't fucking do that. That's a terrible idea.

[Luke]

No, I do think it's worth mentioning that part of the problem, in my opinion, with Abdul, I said, was his name not a problem to me, of course, but to a lot.

[Rich]

They used his whole name when they talked about him. They used his whole name. They're already doing.

[Luke]

I wonder why, I wonder why they did.

[Rich]

What is his first. Do you guys know his whole first name?

[Tim]

It's it's, I saw a clip. It's, it's, it's like Abdabalah or something like that.

[Rich]

Yeah, it's a fucking cool name. It's no worse than Barack Hussein Obama. Like as far as is it creditable to Central America or.

[Zach]

I don't know how much it's that. I mean, right. Maybe for some people, maybe. But among Democrats, I don't think that's a huge thing. I really think a lot of it is just like a lot of Democrats just don't like progressive ideology. They just don't, aren't into it. Like I, I think that's a huge, this is a wake up call for people and like look, it's a state of the last two out of the last three elections, this state voted for Trump two of those times. It's not like in a state like that the Democrats are not as progressive as like New York City where they're voting. Imam DONNIE in the circumstances.

[Rich]

So I think, I don't necessarily disagree. It's what you mean by don't like progressive politics or policies because what I see is Democrats are afraid of democratic socialism because they're so concerned that democratic socialism is going to lose them the general election because they've been trained by MSNBC and CNN saying like, well, can Sayed win in swing states? Well, not all swing states are the same. Not all voters are the same. Of course not. And I'm not lecturing you, I'm.

[Zach]

No, no, no, I know.

[Rich]

Criticizing Howie the Bifurcated like just black and white, you know, left, right. And that we talk about this all the time. It never fully captures it. Let me show you something that I think is really interesting. This is going to come up terribly. I see it, but it came up pretty good.

[Tim]

Oh, that's exactly what I'm looking at right now. But tell what it is. So that for the audio people. What are we looking at?

[Rich]

Yeah. So for anyone who's listening, I'm showing the map of the county by county breakdown between Syed and, and Stevens. Stevens, Roger Stevens. They're all, they all, they're all such white names and Stevens. And what, what is really interesting to me is the dark green areas are the college towns.

[Zach]

Yes.

[Rich]

So Sayed ran up massive like 20, 30. Because it doesn't look like. This does not look like a Sayed map, but it is an El Said map because he ran up 20, 30, 40 point margins in the young educated areas, academic areas which also has old professors. They're just educated. And he lost very narrowly, basically all of the rural counties. But this is what's, what's really grabbing my eye up here is the Upper Peninsula. He spent an inordinate amount of time. I don't know if any politicians ever, I don't know if they know they're part of the United States. He spent so much time in the Upper Peninsula and he won, I think 50 plus percent of the upper Peninsula counties. He won more than half of the, of the Upper Peninsula counties. Which tells me when he gets to rural voters and speaks to them, which 70 million will get you a lot of airplane tickets, a lot of speeches, a lot of venues. When he gets to people who live in rural areas, he connects with them and he wins them over. And so let me, I see some, I see some, some silver lining in, in where and how he won.

[Tim]

Well, the Upper Peninsula is also heavily dominated by tribes. And so that is a very different demographic and a different audience altogether. And I actually, I'm not going to. I'm not going to. He didn't say that I could share this publicly, but I got something from somebody from one of those, those tribes this morning that I worked with that, the Interior Department, because that obviously oversees Indian affairs across the country and was saying Cy Ed won the upper Peninsula and 11 of the 12 counties where there are tribes in Michigan and the counties with public universities, except for Wayne and Oakland, which we'll talk about in a second. Why I think that is conventional wisdom about liberals and rural voters is so wrong. And the political commentators and observers in D.C. just refuse to keep refusing to learn that. One of the, one of the big things here, and this is what you said, Rich Syed showed up in these places. And I do think that the tribes, because it's not an overwhelmingly large part of the population.

[Zach]

Small.

[Rich]

Right.

[Tim]

But I think both Democrats and Republicans historically have ignored tribes. Just. It is a thing. Oh, yeah. And we should have a show.

[Rich]

Everyone's rushing to the. But the white center, the tepid white center is where everybody did this.

[Tim]

And I think it clearly had an impact on the Upper Peninsula. But I do think to Zach's point, the problem that progressives have, which continues to show up, is they are not landing with black voters.

[Zach]

Not at all.

[Tim]

And that is, that is at least in this race because Stevens ran up the margins in Detroit, obviously. Wayne, Oakland and McCombert or Bacon. Yeah, right. I think so.

[Rich]

Six and seven point margins in all three and often the three largest counties in the state.

[Tim]

So she, that's how she kept it close because that's where the where most of the votes are. Right. So, but she didn't run far enough ahead.

[Zach]

Right.

[Tim]

But it is interesting. But, but like when we have seen this before, I mean, we've seen this with Bernie Sanders and Sanders people do not like to talk about this, but yeah, they dominated Iowa and they dominated New Hampshire and then they got their Wyoming. Then they got the beat out of them in South Carolina.

[Zach]

Oh, yeah.

[Tim]

You know, Southern states like Georgia and

[Rich]

South Carolina were like Texas. They were like 70, 30.

[Tim]

So I, I, I do think that El Sayed has a serious shot at winning this race. But I do think that he also has to figure out this problem, as do all progressives have to figure out why they are not landing with black voters. And I think we should probably have some experts on talking about this.

[Zach]

Yeah, I don't have a speculation as to why.

[Tim]

Me neither.

[Zach]

Bunch of reasons.

[Tim]

I mean, I think without getting too deep into it, because obviously I'm not

[Rich]

a black person, so like, I'm not.

[Tim]

But like, I do think that the black voters have been the base of the Democratic Party for a very long time.

[Zach]

Oh, yeah.

[Tim]

And so they, you know, and so they vote generally with the party that's not a monolith. But you look at these numbers and the party was behind Haley Stevens. I mean, Gretchen Whitmer endorsed her.

[Zach]

Yep.

[Tim]

Like, you know, the other thing to your point, Zach, about like being in big trouble, the, the flip side, what I would argue is though, he also withstood $70 million of negative TV ads and still won, which is both a indign, both a like sign of, I think his base being strong. But also I think we are learning that negative TV ads are just not working the way they used to.

[Zach]

They don't work the way they used

[Tim]

to, and we should stop using them the way we do.

[Rich]

Money and classic campaigning are both way overstated. Way overstated.

[Zach]

I think it's also important like the swing state element of it is important because like, if you look at the Democratic Party as a whole, I think it's like 60% of the party identifies with his type of politics versus 40. That kind of is the old world. That's not the numbers in swing states. It's a different, it's globally, it's the numbers. But in states like Michigan, that's not the case. And it's like, and then, but then you get into candidate specific things. Like the reason Ossoff is doing so well in Georgia is he's not a hyper progressive guy. Like, people forget that Ossoff is a pretty Moderate centrist Democrat who's like, somewhat coming around to some bigger ideas that are progressive, but like, ultimately, like, if you rewind a few years, he was not for abolishing ice. He doesn't like Medicare for All. Doesn't like the.

[Luke]

I mean, there's literally that clip that

[Rich]

came out of it.

[Tim]

Yeah.

[Zach]

Saying that things change, but ultimately I think, like, he's just changing with the wind. Like, you can tell that this is not his dominant position, but that speaks to black voters better and that's why he's doing so well in Georgia, you know, so.

[Tim]

Right.

[Rich]

Yeah, I think I have a take on that that might not get me canceled. I think I can talk through this. When you look at the roots of democratic socialism, it's really, it really goes back to like Scandinavian social democracy, Scandinavian secularism. Social democracy and secularism. And, and that those are two things that, that don't just organically connect maybe. I mean, like Scandinavians came over and they just like flop down in the Midwest. And so the Midwest you see from Vermont all the way, which is not the Midwest, I know that from Vermont all the way to sort of like the east half of, of North Dakota, it's just all Scandinavian Lutherans. And so I think they, they very much just organically see themselves in Danish politics and German politics and Finnish politics, Norway, Sweden. Whereas, you know, black culture in the south of the United States. You know, their, their politics are rooted in like, who's doing the fucking work and who's delivering the results for us right now. They don't have this like, philosophical relationship with politics as much as like, hands on, show up, do the work, deliver results. And Clinton did that. Like, she fucking showed up and she worked her ass off to win their votes and she won their votes. So the path is clear. But you don't win it by talking like a poli sci professor. You win it by, by getting your hands dirty.

[Tim]

Well, this is an interesting. We're in an interesting world now because I think that, like, in the Democratic Party, things are shifting. Right. Like the beliefs and, and stuff. But I think there's a big difference between, you know, what I think we saw in, in Michigan and in New York, which I would argue is more of what you're saying, Rich, which is the Scandinavian democratic. So like social Democratic policies rather than DSA policies. Democratic social America. Yes, that this. And this is, this person told me also, like, they're big FDR Democrats in the Upper Peninsula. So like when you're coming with big social programs to, to solve a problem, they're open to it. Because who is the reminiscent. The grandfather of social programs.

[Zach]

Right.

[Tim]

FDR with social.

[Rich]

He was a Democratic socialist.

[Tim]

He wasn't. Yeah. Or a Social Democrat, however. But, but like. And that's why like I think that the conversation around Mamdani in New York is also wrong. Because when you look at what he's actually doing, these aren't DSA things, these are Social Democratic things. Yeah, yeah. And so we need to change our vernacular because also socialism is like still a, a four letter word in this country. But like the language is getting people chipped up and the Republicans are smart to be hammering it because it adds to confusion. And I think we're seeing a bit of a split in the party about that as well.

[Zach]

I think that's true. I mean I think ultimately one of the biggest things that I've seen is that like for Mamdani is a self admitted. He's part of the DSA. When you read the DSA's literature as to what they believe, that shit is way different than what Mamdani is doing.

[Rich]

Yeah.

[Zach]

So like that's a huge problem where it's like oh, you associate with this. But they are pitching like borderline. So like true socialism, communism, certain elements of. It's like don't do that. That's too much like they've got to be able to call it back. It's like it's crazy to that that's like Republicans have an easy attack point. They can just easily like read. It's in their shit. Like it's right there. And it's like that is very, very bad.

[Tim]

Well, is it one of them? Like eliminating prisons, all kinds of wacky

[Zach]

shit where you're just like what the fuck are you talking?

[Tim]

Feels nice, but it's not really based.

[Zach]

Never gonna reality. But I don't know.

[Rich]

I think the last, the last bullet point in the, in the thing they just drafted was like eliminate the presidency and Supreme Court and replace them with new branches of government that are slips. Come on. And I'm like, come on. From universal health care to rewrite the Constitution.

[Zach]

Right.

[Rich]

Let's. Let's focus on what we can do. I'm not going to spend a lot of time beating up weird ideas that are not going to work or they just wouldn't. You'd have to win over about 320 of the 340 million people with that idea before you can pitch it to anybody.

[Zach]

One thing I liked about El Sayed was that he had a really good clip of him being asked about is, are you a democratic socialist? Because you go around with aoc, you go around Bernie Sanders, he's like, no, I'm a capitalist, I just think about it differently. And then he like that's really smart.

[Rich]

Right?

[Zach]

Everybody needs to do that because it's just you, you can have these more social democracy oriented goals, but you still need to be a capitalist about it. Like you can't win in America if you're anti capitalist. Just never going to fucking happen.

[Tim]

Right.

[Rich]

Well, and, and what do we mean by capitalism? Like free enterprise capitalism is just an engine, it's just a, it's a sword, it's a fucking bullet. Like it's just a means to an end. If you just let it do its own thing on its own, it's like a fucking nuclear reactor. There's a better, maybe a better, better metal, better metaphor. It'll frickin melt down on its own and kill everybody. But if you just regulate it correctly, it could provide a lot for a lot of people. And you know, I think what I like, like the whole grocery store thing in New York and Tim, you're probably, you probably have more information on this, but when I look at like, should the government own grocery stores? Why don't we just give grants to the people, just subsidize the, the, the immigrants in that community that are already running the grocery stores. Like instead of, instead of like don't compete with, with private, with free enterprise. Just tip the scales in favor of the free enterprise that you want to see.

[Tim]

Well, what I would say to that is that I think what you're referring to is SNAP benefits which just got cut by so many people. So they don't exactly have a choice

[Rich]

because like I said, the grocery store owners. The owners. Because there's an issue in New York between like if they put in a city owned grocery store that has lower prices in immigrant communities where immigrants own.

[Tim]

Yeah.

[Rich]

Grocery stores. Are you putting immigrant small business owners out of business? And I think that's a valid, like we want to leverage. You want to incentivize the behavior you want to see. Right? So like we want to leverage the free market and make it do the work that we, that needs to be done. Just like we do with you know, the EV tax credits, solar panel tax credits. Like there are ways to do this within the machine we have.

[Tim]

But I think what you're see we're. And I agree, but I think what we're seeing with all of these candidates winning is that people want to, people want government to try new and different things because it feels very stagnant. Right. And also there's this weird thing where, like, if we pass a law, we never get rid of it. Like, it just become like it's just there forever. And it's like. Because everyone's fought to get it and then nobody. And it's like, we should be experimenting and we should be seeing. And I think that the grocery stores. I don't know if that's going to work. I have no idea. But, like, let's try it. If there's three, they have. Fine. Let's see what happens. If it takes people out of business. Let's figure out a way to make them whole.

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[Tim]

But I just think, like, people are so desperate for actual change. Yeah. This is why Donald Trump won. Yeah. Because some. There is a large. Well, racism is a lot of it too. And misogyny. But people want. Like, people were willing to blow up the government.

[Zach]

Yeah.

[Luke]

Because they almost wanted to.

[Tim]

Right. No, I mean. Well, some literally did.

[Zach]

Yeah.

[Luke]

And some.

[Tim]

Some of those people literally tried to

[Luke]

go in with pipe bombs.

[Tim]

Right. But people were so desperate for change that they were like, well, what. What have you Democrats? What have you done for me? And if you're a low information voter and you don't read this stuff like we do, I get it. So, like, let's try some shit. And the best place to try it is at the local level. And then you move it up the chain.

[Zach]

Yes.

[Tim]

Which is like Romneycare in Massachusetts, which is what the ACA was built off because we knew it could work.

[Zach]

Yeah.

[Tim]

Based on this. And it has. I mean, it has problems, but, like, it has worked. So government has to find a way to get back to trying and doing so that we find what works. Because sometimes you don't know what works until it actually is implemented.

[Zach]

Right.

[Tim]

And then you can modify and fix. Like, that's what every. That's what every entrepreneur does. Right.

[Zach]

That was. You build a business with Mamdani. Like, I don't agree with almost anything he wants to do, but I want it all. I want to see all of it done. Because I could be wrong. I don't know. You know, ultimately I.

[Luke]

Somebody's got to give it a shot.

[Zach]

Right. Try it. Like, I think the government grocery store shit is the dumbest ever. And I think it's gonna fall flat in its face. Everybody's gonna go, ha. See, I told you. But I could be wrong. I don't know. Try it. Let's see. Hopefully I'm not.

[Tim]

And I also. Yeah, go ahead.

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Rich.

[Rich]

Well, I was gonna say like, because, because we were talking about, like, how could this coexist? You could also just subsidize the, the immigrant owned or the other grocery stores, locally owned grocery stores in the area, so they can just match the price. Like if you're in a five mile radius, like, sure. Those are the kinds of things you dial in, you know, as you do it. And everybody just has to go in with good faith, which is not where we get from Republicans. So you just gotta, I mean, do it on your own and figure it out.

[Tim]

I mean, I think some of this also is they're doing it in food deserts. So it's not necessarily like, because I like where I live in the city, like I have two, no, three grocery stores very close to me. So they're not bringing it here. Yeah, I think one of them is. They're talking about in the Bronx and like there is a difference between the corner bodega, which everybody knows is a little more expensive, but like the convenience is why it's there.

[Luke]

Sure.

[Tim]

So like, I think that they are trying this in a place that's not going to put out like a, like a seafood or like whatever the rest, like the markets are. But again, like, I also think that it failing if you message it correctly could also be like, you know what guys? It didn't work, but we tried it.

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[Tim]

And now we're going to try something else. Like that's. I think what people want from government is like, look at that. Did that work? Great, go do more of that. Did this work? No, stop doing that. Like, and we don't do that in this country. And I think that's led to a lot of disillusionment of people. Like, it's like when we say we gave health care to people and it's like you start talking about tax credits, people are like, I know, like, they don't like understand. It's like, no, but I didn't get anything. So like, I don't care about that. So I. It's a definitely a messaging problem that, you know, I think Abimdani is, is, is smart about and I think with the El stuff like he had. He's a very good communicator. Right. So like, that's a big piece. Very, very good. He could talk to Republicans and he can talk to leftists and he can have normal conversations. Doesn't hurt that he's an attractive dude. He's not ancient. But it's talking about like big change. And I think that we are 26 and 28 are going to be massive change elections. And I think that has something to do with it. And I think that's how he was stood, $70 million of outside money being ported to this race because there were enough people that were like, I'm just tired of the, of the inaction.

[Zach]

Yeah. And I agree.

[Rich]

I, it'll be interesting because I mean say it is a great communicator. You know who else is a great communicator? Jon Ossoff, James Talarico, Bill Clinton, Barack Obama, Michelle Obama. You, you put people in front of, with any name, from any background, with any ideas, if they can eloquently communicate them to the people they need to influence, it becomes a whole different conversation. And so I think El Sayed has a very good chance now that he's going to, he will have the machine behind him. That's the one good thing about this outcome is it's going to be a lot easier to bring the Haley Stevens people home than it is to, than it would have been to bring the El Sayed voters home had it gone the other way 100%. You know, when you get the passion, you also get the backlash like we saw with Bernie Sanders. So you know, I think this is going to be interesting. And his ideas are not radical. Like nothing, nothing that he wants to do will hurt union workers and like single moms and families in Michigan. Like these are, these are all objectively good ideas. And one senator can't get rid of the presidency in the Supreme Court. So like even if he wanted to do, if only if, even if he wanted to do the things that are like kind of objectively silly from the DSA angle. Like he's going to be hopefully one of 100 senators.

[Zach]

Right.

[Rich]

You know, voting on normal things like let's stop fudgeing, giving billionaires a free hall pass to just do whatever the fuck they want.

[Tim]

Well and he also is going to benefit from Jocelyn Benson running for governor. So that is, she is a more I think traditional Democrat. So like there is another top of ticket candidate that I think also helps. Plus there are several battleground states or congressional districts in Michigan which will, he will benefit from that sort of bottom up lift. Yeah. People going to vote for a congressional candidate, you know that it won't just

[Rich]

be the DSA versus no. 1.

[Tim]

Right. And you know, and I think that Mike Rogers is that right. His name, the Republican is going to be saddled with Donald Trump.

[Luke]

Like really unfortunate thing to be saddled with. Right. Given that the guy that where what state was it that his endorsed candidate lost to a guy who dropped out?

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Oh, yeah.

[Rich]

By like 30 points.

[Tim]

Yeah, I think so. There was. Was that a congressional race or a low, like a local?

[Rich]

I think it was a congressional race.

[Tim]

So the guy who Donald Trump endorsed.

[Rich]

I want to see if I can.

[Tim]

Lost to a guy who I think withdrew 30 days ago.

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[Tim]

Or something like that. Of course, we probably should have fact checked this before we cut off.

[Rich]

No, it's true. I just don't remember the name of the guy.

[Tim]

Aud, audience, if you couldn't tell, we shoot from the hip the entire time that we do this show.

[Rich]

Well, there's so many races.

[Tim]

I mean, there's like, how are you an expert in all this? Like, it's like they were like. But that's just funny.

[Rich]

Primaries. Just, Just in Michigan.

[Tim]

But was that in a district, though, that, like, the. The Republicans have no chance and he just like, endorse.

[Zach]

Why would he do that?

[Rich]

I mean, Trump endorsed somebody so.

[Tim]

Shit. Right. He gets enraged when he endorses someone that loses.

[Rich]

Yeah.

[Tim]

And of course he blames other people. He's like, why did you make me do that? It's like, yes, Donald Trump, famously known for doing things that other people want him to do.

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[Tim]

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[Tim]

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[Tim]

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[Tim]

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[Tim]

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[Rich]

So did you guys see Kansas to pivot a little bit? They had this amendment on their. Their ballot. I'll. I'll read it to you guys. So the. The amendment, it says, introduced by Republicans frustrated by the appointed court's support of abortion rights, Republicans seek to overhaul the way the Kansas Supreme Court justices are selected. If passed, the seven justices would no longer be appointed by the governor and instead would be elected to six year terms. So Republicans were pissed because they hate women. And so they wanted to throw out seven supreme court justices for their state supreme court because they can't wait to win the governorship. And so that lost 61 to 38. That, that amendment that. No. Prevailed 375,000 votes to 236,000 votes. I was, I mean, Kansas is so weird. But, but they, you know, they keep having Democratic governors. They obviously like, this was an abortion rights amendment. It, you know, it's not about the Supreme Court. They obviously like abortion rights. I'm like, is it, is Kansas gonna, like, it's gonna be the next Georgia after Georgia is the next Georgia.

[Tim]

Well, let me tell you, like, I, I know a little bit about this because the governor there, she's term limited. So like she's been there for eight years, which is why most of the supreme Court is Democratic because of her. The reason that she won eight or nine years ago or whatever it was was because they actually, the Republicans had the trifecta in Kansas with, with Governor Brownback, Sam Brownback, who is a right wing nut bag. So they had, they had the Republican fever dream. They had the governorship and they had the House and the Senate and I believe maybe even a super, a super majority. So they implemented what all Republicans say they want to do. Low taxes, cut benefits. And you know what it did? It fucking sent the state right into the ground. So it got so bad that the Democrats were able to pick it up, but they actually implemented all the shit they're talking about at the national level. And it devastated the state to the point where a lot of Republicans were like, well, shit, we got to get rid of them. And I. There's a message there. I don't know why Democrats haven't screamed about this more because it's like their act, that was their experiment. And, and they have tried these things. And also I think it just shows abortion is not a popular issue for Republicans. It's just not even in these places. I mean, in Missouri there were ballot initiatives for that that passed on the favor of being pro choice Y. It is not a winner now, but it's also not one that tends to be the top issue for people to vote for. So it hasn't really like translated into congressional or Senate or governorship victories, but it's just a loser for them. And then this like power grab when the Republicans are sitting at 35% nationally, that thing was going to, you know, that I'm I'm pleasantly surprised but not shocked.

[Zach]

Yeah, that.

[Tim]

That's what happened there.

[Zach]

I mean, it speaks to that. I don't know if you guys saw people making videos about this yesterday, but like Todd Blanche's whole thing with like, oh, he's going to do like a nationwide abortion.

[Luke]

Nationwide abortion ban.

[Zach]

Yeah, like, that's such a. Like, even. But it's like, that'll never happen. But either way, the attempt, if that happens is so bad for the Republican Party.

[Luke]

Like, why go ahead and try that fuck face.

[Tim]

Well, I have a theory. It is dumb, but I think that they're. I think their internals are so bad that they're trying to juice the base because the base is pissed.

[Zach]

Thank you.

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Right.

[Tim]

And they're like rolling the dice with the same shit.

[Luke]

They're the reason they're rolling out the COVID shit.

[Zach]

Yeah. Yeah. Look at, look at Fauci six years

[Luke]

later stirring up their base.

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[Tim]

We're like, vindicated. I mean, I know we talked a little bit about it last week, but it was so crazy. All of these people were like, these anti vaxxers were like, we're vindicated.

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And.

[Tim]

And all of us people on our side were like, did you watch the same hearing?

[Zach]

No.

[Tim]

What. What is vindication here? Because Fauci wouldn't play along with his hearing. So he just said, I'll plead the fifth. Which he's not the first person to do that, by the way.

[Zach]

No.

[Tim]

What. How many times did Donald Trump plead the fifth? In over 100.

[Zach]

Yeah.

[Tim]

Yeah.

[Rich]

So he played the fifth about a third is as often as Donald Trump did. But this was. This was so that he could avoid being charged by a horrifically dishonest Department of Justice with some random bullshit.

[Zach]

Whatever.

[Tim]

I guess.

[Zach]

Yeah. Is what he said thing. I don't know.

[Tim]

They were like. He said that. He said the death rate was like 2.5%. It was like 1%. And it's like, that's not lying.

[Zach]

That also like, like they played that clip on Fox News of him saying that if you just extend the clip 10 seconds, he says, what's probably 2% lower than that, though? Like, this is. Fuck the numbers.

[Tim]

This is what I. Drives me crazy about this.

[Rich]

So they didn't know how many people survived with COVID Yeah.

[Zach]

Right.

[Rich]

Go ahead.

[Tim]

So the notion that Anthony Fauci, nih, cdc, everybody should have known exactly how to stop a brand new virus that nobody had seen before and be a thousand in everything they say in the early days is a joke. It's insane.

[Zach]

It's nuts.

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How.

[Tim]

How would. Oh, you random Republican. Okay. How would you have solved this problem?

[Zach]

Right?

[Tim]

Just put your head in the sand and say, everybody go out. Herd immunity.

[Zach]

Yeah.

[Tim]

While million more people die.

[Zach]

That's definitely the answer.

[Luke]

Yes.

[Zach]

That's what they.

[Tim]

And they wouldn't. They wouldn't have thought a thing about it as long as, like, I could go down and, like, I don't have to wear a mask and I'm gonna go to the gr. It's like, yeah. And all of the immunocompromised, all the little kid. Not so much the little kids, but all the older people.

[Zach]

Yeah.

[Tim]

Are like, that's a. The threat to their life. And you all went. Foushee is like, off on the death rate by, like a percentage point. Like, give me a break. Yeah, like, that doesn't. Like, I don't get it.

[Zach]

But, like, the thing that threw me off the most from it was them being like, see, we told you about the vaccine. Like, what do you mean?

[Tim]

What.

[Zach]

What about it? Like, all, like, 70% of the planet got at least a dose of this shit. You're walking next to these people all the time. Where's.

[Rich]

All right, I coughed up a 5G chip yesterday, actually.

[Luke]

I still feel mine moving around in

[Rich]

five years, but it finally worked its way out of my lungs. So now I'm healthy.

[Tim]

I just like. And this isn't even a partisan, it's like, just look at the data. But they won't because the data is very clear. Well, but like, the vaccine was supposed to keep transmissions from happening. And I'm like, no. Like, yes, some do. But like, the goal of that was to keep people out of the hospitals and keep them from dying, which it did.

[Zach]

Yeah.

[Tim]

Well, no, people were still mostly. Mostly vaccinated. People died. And it's like. Well, yeah, because the overwhelming majority of people took the vaccine, but if you do it on a percentage basis, it was like 10x low.

[Zach]

Somebody made a really. I saw a great video. Somebody explaining how to explain this in a way that's really simple, where it's like. It's like arguing against seatbelts because the majority of people who die in car accidents are wearing their seatbelt.

[Tim]

It's like, right.

[Zach]

The majority people are just wearing their fucking seatbelt. It doesn't mean that it's unsafe to wear the seatbelt, you fucking idiot. You know, it's so dumb.

[Rich]

It's a great point.

[Luke]

I wish people would stop wearing their seatbelts.

[Tim]

But we've also talked about how many of these fucking people. I have no chill for the. I can't do the. Like, let's try to move them back because this anti vax stuff just kills me.

[Zach]

So annoying.

[Tim]

How many of these people are like, don't take the vaccine. But either thought ivermectin was the magic pill or now these peptides which are not regulated by anybody, they're shove it into their bodies left and right and they have no. They're like, yeah, but like that. How long's that RNA vaccine stay in your body? It's like, well, one, not long. Two, you have MRA MRNA in your body already, you fucking moron.

[Zach]

I know, it's so fun.

[Luke]

They're the dumbest people on the planet. I'm convinced that there's not a dumber group of people on this planet than anti vaxxers.

[Zach]

I agree with you. And it's fucking as you say.

[Luke]

There is no one dumber.

[Tim]

It's all that Dana Bash.

[Zach]

Yes. Holy shit. That was like, you're not a.

[Tim]

You're not a scientist, right?

[Zach]

Fucking asshole. Holy shit. And like, he's like, show me one study about kids keeping kids safe. I'm like, there's like 7,000. So I literally went, I'm going to make a video about it. But I went and looked and I found like, from like New England Journal of Medicine, Journal of American Physicians. Like every fucking major organization has massive 90,000 participant studies. It's like, it's safe for kids. It helps kids. What the fuck are you talking about? It's nuts.

[Luke]

So I think I told you guys this. As you all know, I go to the sauna pretty frequently after I get done to the gym. I went in there the other day, there's these two older guys in there talking. And I came in and it's clear they were discussing someone's health problems. And as I listened more, it was this one guy's wife who has cancer. The other guy is. So the guys, or the guy whose husband or whose wife it is is talking to this other guy, telling him about all of the bullshit that this doctor tried to pull.

[Tim]

Those are quotes for audio listeners.

[Luke]

Yeah, quoted, quoted, bullshit.

[Rich]

I could hear it in his voice.

[Luke]

Top of the list was that he did not believe a study that said that a ketogenic diet can help fight cancer. Because apparently she went on a ketogenic diet. And it's been, it's been. She feels so much better and she's. The cancer's receding, which don't believe that. So he shows up with the doctor with this study that supposedly says that ketogenic diets can help cancer. He tries to hand the study to the doctor. The doctor says, I don't want that. He goes, oh, you won't even touch it because you're. And this is. This is where it gets good. He accused the doctor of trying to kill his wife. Said, do you want it? You want my wife to die? Because you won't even look at this study because it contradicts your bullshit. And then he goes. Then he go. He goes, and I looked into that medicine you've been giving my wife. He goes, there's not even a trial on there. There's not even a trial group in the medicine. And then he.

[Tim]

Then he looks at the other guy

[Luke]

in the sauna, he says, did you know that? He goes over. Over two thirds of all medications in this country, when they get tested, they don't even have trial groups. And I was like, that's not true.

[Zach]

Literally, functionally, yeah.

[Luke]

I said, that's not true. And he says, well, yeah, it is. I said, give me a source. Because as I recall, every medication in

[Tim]

the country has to have a trial

[Luke]

group when it gets tested.

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[Zach]

I mean, I know this. This was my job for a long time. You have to have a phase one study, then you have to advance to a phase two study, then you have to advance to a phase three. So the process takes like a decade. So it takes forever.

[Rich]

That's why. That's why Operation Warp Speed was such a big deal. Is like, they. He actually just said, make a vaccine as fast as you possibly can. Which, like, that's one thing. If Trump wants something, he'll just say, you have to do it, take all the money you need and get it done. And it's like, okay, well, he did that and he let the scientists do their thing. And so they put out a vaccine faster than anyone had ever put out. I think a vaccine on anything. That was their thing.

[Zach]

They rushed the trial. It's like, oh, my God, no, they didn't. They couldn't.

[Luke]

You can't have it both ways.

[Rich]

Because I remember they did like a 10,000 or 50,000 person trial, even on the first COVID vaccine. Like, it was still a fucking massive sample set. And they proved that it didn't hurt anybody. And I think it was 95% effective on the very first variant in preventing infection. And it was only because, just like the fucking flu virus, it changes every single cycle that they had to keep. Keep updating it. But, like, these are the same people who say, Because I agree that the dumbest fucking people on planet earth. But it's not just anti vaxxers. These are the same people who say like, well, I know somebody who jumped out of their window once when their car was rolling, right? And they then they couldn't have done that had they worn a seatbelt. Therefore, everyone who ever rolls their vehicle in the future shouldn't wear a seatbelt because 100% of them will successfully jump out of their windows. Like, you can't explain data to people

[Zach]

who like, they don't want to know.

[Rich]

Who can't count.

[Tim]

Seven, you know, the most tested vaccine ever.

[Zach]

It's the most tested anything, anything, anything.

[Tim]

Then they were like, well, but it's this new mRNA. I'm like, do you even know what you're talking about?

[Zach]

MRNA?

[Rich]

What does MRNA stand for?

[Zach]

MRNA?

[Luke]

They do not know what MRNA means.

[Zach]

Like, if they knew the potential benef benefits of our mRNA, they would shut the up. Like, it could literally be the thing that ultimately cures cancer. Like, there's so many things that, like,

[Rich]

I think it probably will.

[Tim]

They're working on it. Well, actually, I think that they were working. One of those companies backed off because the Trump administration funding cancer. Cancer and AIDS is another one. Cancer and aids.

[Rich]

Like I just saw this morning, they're working on a. Or the FDA is considering a. The first ever MRNA flu vaccine.

[Zach]

Yes.

[Rich]

So somebody is still doing the work.

[Zach]

I mean, that's like people don't understand the benefit of that too. Like, with flu, we're guessing what the variant is going to be based on six months ago from the other hemisphere of the planet. Now we can do three weeks ago with our MRNA vaccine as opposed to six months ago. We could actually have a very good vaccine. That's not just like, well, I don't

[Tim]

know, maybe let's act. That's my favorite.

[Luke]

We have to make.

[Tim]

We have every year.

[Luke]

This will be my third year making it is when I go to get my fucking shots.

[Tim]

Oh, you're gonna get. Yeah.

[Luke]

Every time I rage bait the out of them. I got my new 5G upgrade. They hate it every year.

[Rich]

Longer signal, man, you got to keep up.

[Tim]

I know. Well, the MRNA thing's funny too, because they're like, this is never. This is all brand new. I'm like, if you again just spend two minutes googling MRNA vaccines or MRNA research. It has been going on since the. Either the late 80s or the early 90s. This ain't new. We just then. And there's this whole story about the woman that like, the researcher who like her career like actually took a lot of steps backwards because she was obsessed with doing this. And a lot of people said, you can't do it and are like, it won't work, so we don't want to fund it. And she is the woman that press persevered. And like then obviously everybody else realized that they jumped in. But like the MRI, like you're saying it's basically like 75% done. Yeah. And then you take the variant, put a version of it in.

[Zach]

Yep.

[Tim]

And that's it. Instead of building from scratch. Why is this so hard for people to understand when also they will eat any processed food on the planet? Or raw milk. Which I saw a video the other day of someone drinking like 5 day old raw milk with chunks in it the other day because someone is reacting to it.

[Zach]

That's disgusting. Oh my God.

[Tim]

Well, people are like, whoa. But like breast milk isn't like pasteurized.

[Zach]

I'm like, go drink some breast milk. Then you also.

[Tim]

But also like anatomically a cow's utter is very close to some very. The place the shit comes out. Which is not the same.

[Zach]

Yeah.

[Tim]

As a woman. A human woman.

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[Tim]

Yeah.

[Rich]

And you still have to refrigerate breast milk. Right.

[Tim]

Temperatures. I'm like, I'm surprised you didn't just die on the spot. The RFK is like, no one gets sick from the NRNA or from the war, I believe. I'm like, yes, they do.

[Luke]

Yes, they do. They do.

[Rich]

Every day, Constantly.

[Zach]

You know what it is though? I think it's just, it's. It's little language, things raw. Sounds like healthy to them.

[Luke]

So.

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Right.

[Zach]

And then like MRNA sounds like DNA. So it's like you're changing who I am and you don't want very healthy scientists. Please think deeper than this.

[Luke]

Oh, I know somebody.

[Tim]

I remember somebody during this.

[Zach]

Right.

[Tim]

That was. Is on the. I'm not gonna say their name because it's making like they were like, well, it like it like changes your DNA. I'm like, no, it doesn't. How would that work? Like, think about the words that are coming out of your mouth. Just think about it.

[Rich]

Like if we could change DNA.

[Tim]

I don't need you to spend five minutes thinking about it. I need you to spend one second.

[Zach]

Right.

[Tim]

You think that a vaccine is going to scramble your DNA? What the fuck is wrong with you?

[Zach]

Right. I don't know. But they wouldn't even tell you what DNA is. Like, that's the other piece of it. Like if you're like, okay, explain what it is, they'd be like, well, it's what makes you you like. Okay, you're done. Move on.

[Luke]

You're done.

[Rich]

DNA they learned from the first Jurassic park movie.

[Tim]

The little cartoon something with amber in it. And we could extract it, make dinosaurs. It's like you.

[Rich]

You patch the DNA with the frog. The frog DNA, right? Like it's. It's. How. Why are you making this so complicated?

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[Tim]

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But it's interesting, I'm curious what you think if there is a lane potentially for Democrats to grab some of the maha, which is the make America healthy. Yes, there is a overlap of anti vax people which I think are essentially lost. But I do think that there are some people that like, there are some sensible health things that I think we could focus on on our side that wouldn't like change the crazies, but the people who are like, I don't like all this in my food. Yeah, you know, like I think.

[Luke]

Which like is a valid thing to say. Yeah, I don't like all this in my food.

[Tim]

Yeah, no, it's terrible.

[Rich]

But there's a difference between poison and words you can't pronounce.

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[Luke]

There's a big.

[Rich]

They're like. I don't know what maltodextrin is. You're like, well, you've been eating it for 52 years, so it's probably fine.

[Zach]

Exactly.

[Rich]

They love the.

[Tim]

But you've had that thing in there. All of those words on the back of the. Of the. Of anything you buy that are like 30 letters long and you're like, yeah, what is that?

[Zach]

Oh, yeah, they'll go to McDonald's.

[Luke]

I don't know.

[Zach]

And think. It's not in that. It's like. It's. It's in the Big Mac, dude.

[Tim]

You know, guys, we've all seen the photo of the, like, hamburger. McDonald's hamburger that's been, like, sitting for 30 years, and it hasn't changed.

[Rich]

It's still intact.

[Tim]

It's not normal. Yeah. It's like.

[Rich]

It's because it's got Red Lake 40 in it. And they got the. They got the red from a lake. Why would you get color from a lake and then put it in your food? I don't understand. I like my red. Coming from regular things like blood.

[Zach]

It's just so painful because it all.

[Luke]

That's why you gotta eat all your meat raw.

[Rich]

Raw meat. Raw milk bathed in raw meat.

[Zach]

They don't want to think about anything, though. That's. The whole thing is like. They just want, like, a really simple fucking narrative, and they want it to all feel like common sense, but it's like, dude, this is complicated shit. Ultimately, you should just shut the fuck up and trust experts to be telling you the truth because they have no incentive to lie to you like that. That's like. They all think it's some big.

[Luke]

They're making money, though. Did you guys.

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[Tim]

Are you guys onto the fucking theory

[Luke]

about Anthony Fauci making all kinds of money from the vaccine? And it was all. He made millions and billions of dollars.

[Zach]

Yeah.

[Tim]

Yeah.

[Zach]

I have advice. Look into the Children's Health Defense Fund.

[Tim]

Yes.

[Zach]

To have fun with that, you know?

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[Tim]

Look at those numbers.

[Zach]

Yeah. Rfk. What is the.

[Tim]

What is the. Yeah, what is it?

[Zach]

Okay, so the Children's Health Defense Fund is RFK's organization that he put together so long ago that he has used as a primary means to enrich himself based on putting VAC misinformation out. Like, even in his fucking book, there are sections where he's making a claim, and then the citation that he uses is to his own organization that made it up. Like it's. It's a bunch of fucking scam shit. And he made so many millions of dollars off of doing this foundation.

[Luke]

If you want to talk about scam shit, why aren't the Trump administration, the Trump family, allowed to do business in New York anymore? Right. Because they took money from kids with cancer.

[Zach]

Yeah. And why doesn't Capital One want them to have bank accounts anymore?

[Tim]

Because they're fucking money launderers. Oh, it's so funny. So. So for those who haven't seen this, there was a report that in a lawsuit, because I think the Trump's organization or whatever sued Capital One for shutting these banks, these, these bank accounts down. But then, of course, because of discovery, you know, they were like, they showed that they had shut down over 300 Trump accounts.

[Zach]

Yep.

[Tim]

For anti money laundering purposes. Now, I know that rich people have lots of accounts and you move money around, but 300 bank accounts at Capital One, a lot.

[Zach]

Like what?

[Tim]

Like they don't. And they don't have, like, like they're not an investment bank. Where you would.

[Luke]

The best part of that for me is that the Trump family's defense for it is they're like, it was retaliation for the January 6 riots.

[Zach]

What?

[Tim]

Why would.

[Luke]

That's not very much better.

[Zach]

I don't understand.

[Tim]

You know, like, oh, it wasn't money laundering.

[Luke]

It's because he incited a riot.

[Zach]

Yeah.

[Tim]

And famously.

[Luke]

Famously woke organization. Capital One wants to, you know, instigate

[Tim]

is like feeling very woke at the moment.

[Rich]

They even let them move all of the money out of the accounts before they close the account, freeze it. What are we talking about? They made a. They still think they can win on this. I'm like, take the money and hope this never comes out.

[Tim]

Can you imagine being the accountant in charge of those bank accounts. Accounts and like, how the moving the money and doing the thing and like, oh, this money. We gotta put a little more money in checking. Guys, I don't, like, I don't understand it.

[Zach]

I don't either.

[Tim]

Anyways, you guys, he's a crook.

[Rich]

You guys want to see another idiot?

[Zach]

Sure.

[Tim]

Yes.

[Rich]

I just got to show a picture. I'm just showing you guys my phone today. This idiot.

[Tim]

Who's that guy?

[Zach]

What is that?

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[Rich]

It looks like a real winner. Do you think he dyes his hair or his goatee?

[Tim]

Who is that? Yes.

[Rich]

He's a fucking loser.

[Tim]

Okay, but what's his name?

[Rich]

What else do you guys need?

[Zach]

There are lots of losers out there.

[Rich]

Representative Chuck Edwards of North Carolina.

[Zach]

Yeah.

[Rich]

Said early Wednesday he was. This. This happened like 3am like, what are you doing up, man? He's not doing anything good. Dropping his reelection bid because the House. House Ethics Committee. House Ethics Committee recommended censoring him in a report that detailed persistent, unprofessional, and inappropriate conduct toward two young female staffers.

[Luke]

It' always the ones you most suspect.

[Zach]

Yes.

[Tim]

Did you see the photo of the ice cream?

[Rich]

Let's get a photo of him again. He's so delicious. Just like, at all. I know. He's like, they told me I could get away with anything I wanted if I made my hair like this. What am I missing while you're looking up? So this is. These are some of the things he did. So. Intimate dinners and vacations. When the staffer asked Edwards for ideas on what outfits to pack for a trip, a work trip, Edwards texted. A pair of jean shorts and a yellow blouse that you wore to a concert is baked into my memory. And a red dress you wore to a neighborhood office was a showstopper.

[Zach]

A showstopper.

[Rich]

What a fucking old guy thing baked into my memory. You're living your outfit. A young staffer's outfit is living rent free in a dirty old bastard's head.

[Tim]

Wait, did he say that he.

[Rich]

I'm. I'm ad libbing now, but the baked into my memory part is. Was. Was verbatim from him lavish and recurrent gifts, including jewelry totaling over a thousand dollars, designer purses, guns, shoes, flowers, a laptop. One of these is not like the other.

[Zach]

That's so weird.

[Rich]

Intimate dinner. Yeah. So I like you.

[Zach]

Here's a Glock. Have fun with it.

[Tim]

Oh, I got it. Look.

[Zach]

Let's see.

[Rich]

Holy. Is that a crime scene photo?

[Zach]

I like that. Thank you. But this seems a bit excessive.

[Tim]

Yeah, that's what she wrote.

[Zach]

Jesus.

[Tim]

What the. This guy's married, I assume.

[Zach]

I mean, I would imagine so.

[Rich]

He said. He said he's praying on it extensively, so I'm imagining he's probably married. Yeah.

[Tim]

God will make you not a creepy.

[Zach]

Okay, yeah, go to your confession, you fucking weirdo.

[Rich]

And now let's see who's. Who's running against him because it. He's dropping out of his. His reelection campaign and of course. But it's in North Carolina. Like, not all of North Carolina is

[Zach]

competitive, but yeah, who knows? I mean, judging by looks, it's probably, you know, non competitive place.

[Rich]

They voted for him once, so that's a bad sign.

[Zach]

Yeah, Exactly. He won. He won one too many times for it to be a competitive race.

[Rich]

Democrat Jamie Ager, a G E R, a farmer from the mountain mountainous swing district the Democrats see as a pickup opportunity as they seek to impact the House majority. Okay, okay, we should.

[Tim]

We should get her on then.

[Rich]

In a. In a. I'm reading the quote from the Democrat in a statement Wednesday after what. Edwards dropped his bid. I don't know if it's. It's Ager. Ager said, no matter who we face in November because they don't know what they're going to do. Republicans, I'm confident we can win this race and deliver what I've been talking about since day one. Hurricane Helene, recovery, lower costs and an end to the corruption. Washington. Yeah, just play it straight fucking down the middle on this one, guys. Like, let's.

[Tim]

Do you know who was the congressman in that district before him?

[Rich]

Oh, God, who?

[Tim]

Madison Cawthorn. Who is the guy? Yeah, yeah.

[Zach]

Who's that young guy in the wheelchair or whatever? I think.

[Tim]

Yeah, a pair of police who like, also, I think, assaulted women and also had like a ton of like, driving, like speeding tickets and.

[Zach]

Yeah, he wasn't a good guy.

[Tim]

That's.

[Rich]

That insulted women in a. From a wheelchair.

[Zach]

I believe so.

[Tim]

I mean, that is possible. I think there were stories of him, like, picking up women. I mean, they went. Went knowing, like, they.

[Rich]

Oh, this dude.

[Tim]

Yeah, yeah. And like the car. And there was something about, like, him, like, trying to force himself on, like, they all the Republicans ousted him. He was that bad. And he was like a rising star.

[Rich]

How many trust funds do you think this guy has? How many trust funds? How many yachts? How many pairs of matching boat shoes?

[Tim]

Oh, my God, is he only 31 now?

[Zach]

Yeah, that's like an AI American man. That's what that.

[Tim]

Yeah. Well, guys, on that note, we actually have a meeting in two minutes.

[Luke]

Oh, yeah.

[Zach]

So sorry, everybody.

[Tim]

Luke, do you want to do the spiel?

[Luke]

All right. Thank you all for listening. We really appreciate it. You can consider a paid subscription on YouTube, Patreon, Substack, Apple podcasts and. And Spotify too. We really appreciate it, but your viewership here on YouTube is the most important

[Rich]

to all of us.

[Luke]

It gets us paid without you having to give us any money. Thank you all for listening like, and subscribe. We'll be back next week.

[Tim]

Bye, everybody. No, you did a good job.

[Luke]

I got some notes.

[Tim]

I'll talk to you about it offline. I got some notes. But everybody, we will be back on Tuesday, so we hope you have a lovely weekend. We'll be back then. Bye, everybody.

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