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Feeling Confused & Anxious About The Future? We Might Have Some Answers For You
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Foreign. Hey everybody, welcome back to the Find out podcast. We've got lots of things to talk about. We're actually going to be answering a lot of your questions today. I think it was a week, week and a half ago we had a guest drop who is going to be coming on on Thursday, which we'll talk about in a minute. And so we thought, oh, we're, let's do an episode for questions that the American power guys were available. So we did that first with the launch of their show on the Find Out Media network, which by the way has hit number one on the government chart, on the Apple Download or yeah, Apple podcast chart, and is charting on the main chart, which is the top 200 podcasts in America. And that what, I think it hit number 110 or something like that. But you know, with very, with little to no promotion came out of the gate fast. And so now that means that three of the four shows that we have released have charted on something which is pretty impressive, including Luke's show with Brian Andrews, Get Angry, and the Find out podcast first episode, which actually hit number 29, which I think people still don't believe, but we have the screenshots to, to prove it. So but with that, you know, today we thought since we asked people to send in these questions that we should answer some and I'll tell you, I am the only one that has read them and then everyone else will be blind reacting. I don't, I can't tell you whether they're going to embarrass you, make you laugh, make you cry.
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B
Tim, since you cherry picked the questions that are favorable for you correct, I'm going to ask you a surprise question when the time comes.
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A
Do you want to ask it now? I love it.
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B
Before, do we want to start on a negative topic or do we want to start on a. With a fun question?
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All right, we're going to start with a very, very, I think one that's a good kickoff and I got to find it here for a second. All right, this one is from somebody with the user. Actually, I'm not going to do the usernames because we didn't say we would announce it. What has been the best and, or worst about starting this podcast and do you feel it's having the desired impact?
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B
It's a great performance review.
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C
That's a good question. I have to like sit here and ponder it. That's how you know it's a good question.
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A
Well, I can go first if, if. Because I already knew. So I'm Prepped. I'll give you guys a chance to.
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B
Sure.
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I think it is the consistency that is the, is the hardest part. Right. Like making sure that you are doing the same time, the same days every week. So we do Tuesdays and Thursdays, obviously. And you know, sometimes we get to a Friday and we go, oh shit, we don't even know what the hell we're doing next week. Which could be a bit of a grind. But what's. What's best? What's best is that we're able to build this company together and, you know, building it with our audience and, you know, working to fight back against right wing extremism, especially with men, and showing people that there are Democrats that look and sound like us and talk like us and actually have the range of Democratic views from moderates to leftists. And I think it also shows that we can all be in the same room and not kill each other like you see on threads every single day, where like leftists and moderates seemed incapable of having a, a mature conversation. But we could do it here. So that's mine.
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C
Yeah.
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Yeah, I'm going to start calling on people next. So Rich looks like he's ready to go.
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B
Yeah, no, I mean similar. I think I'm going to channel a negative review that we got from Apple podcast to articulate the hardest part. So I know man 006 says this was on March 29th. So pretty recently says, I've listened since the beginning, thank you. But I thought that the POD would get better and not worse over time. Shut the fuck up. Shut the fuck up.
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A
Shut the fuck up.
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B
He said they talk over too much all the time and you can't understand them. So what do you mean? What do you mean yourself? They aren't prepared when they have guests and they just talk in circles for an hour and don't really add anything new to the discourse.
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C
Sick.
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B
So you still hate listening. Thank you for your time and energy and your feedback. But, but nestled in that is the hardest part, which is, you know, people always see like the, the 90 second video. They don't see the three hours of research that went into the video and the scripting and scripting and scripting. Like the old Mark Twain quote. Like, I would have written you a shorter letter, but I didn't have the time. Right, right. Writing and saying way fucking too much is the easiest thing. Saying something really impactful in a tight amount of time is ridiculously difficult. And you know, these weeks where we'll have sometimes occasionally two guests, like if we're fortunate enough to have two guests who can line up and we get on the show and we need people to hear from them. I've desperately want to do the work, to learn, like, what have they ever written? What's their greatest controversy? What are their greatest accomplishments? Like, give me their life story so that I can come up then with many good questions, some of which might make it onto the show. And so I think, you know, prepping for guests in a way that is respectful of their time and their investment in us, but also that, that I think is going to generate really great content for people to listen to is ridiculously difficult. To do, you know, once or twice, sure. But to do sometimes twice a week or even once a week for months on end is very, very challenging. And it's a, it's a hard bar to hold yourself to.
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C
Yeah, I, I, that kind of goes into mine too, which is not the same territory, but, like, staying aware of everything that's going on. Holy. Like, because, you know, when you make your own content, it's one thing you can sort of cherry pick what you want to focus on. You don't have to know everything. But then when you come on here and we kind of just like freewheel and figure it out, half the we've talked about, I'm like, I had no idea that happened, which is terrifying. But it's like this, we're just in this, especially now.
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B
It's a fire hose.
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C
Yeah, yeah, exactly.
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B
So, like, happens while we're recording. Like, fuck, we gotta talk about that.
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C
Exactly. So that's, that's the hardest part for me, I think. But it's also kind of the best part too, because, like, I rely on it to know what the fuck is going on. Like, I honestly, like, a lot of video ideas and things that I've done came from things you guys talked about where I'm just like, oh, I didn't know that was a thing. I want to talk about that. And then I pivot and do it. So it's kind of the best and the worst at the same time.
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A
Luke.
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D
I would say the worst part is that Risk can never show up on time. Only slightly joking.
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B
If you want, if you want the best, the best part is. You gotta have to test me. No, we're talking over each other.
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C
Talking over each other.
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B
This is part of our, the best
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D
part is that twice a week I hang out with all four of you. Well, three of you. And we talk about. And I feel better afterward. And I hope that, I hope that it makes people feel Better, too.
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C
A sweet answer. I like that.
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D
Except for Bondo, man, that guy.
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B
I thought you were gonna say negative reviews is the worst part of doing well. No, I don't.
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We have, like, almost 2,000 reviews and ratings, which, by the way, if you haven't, please go do that, because it helps the algorithm and it shows our show to more people if you do that. But, like, we're, like, 99.9. We're a 4.9 on Apple, which is about as close as you can get. And this person listened to us for 95 episodes and gave us one star.
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B
That's brutal. I have never.
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Never. That's 95.
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C
That is a crazy amount of populate, these guys.
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B
Yeah, it's suddenly. It's my childhood all over again.
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But isn't it. But isn't it the truth, though, that, like, you can get a thousand, like, glowing, like, reviews and you get one bad one, like, Rich, I knew exactly
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where you were going before you even
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said it to you, because I did the same goddamn thing. And I was like, who the.
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D
What the.
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But you know what? To each their own. And I think, like, we do prepare. And some of this, like, I mean, Zach, you were the first one I think, say, like, I just want to have a conversation.
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C
Yeah.
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Which is not a grilling.
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C
Yeah.
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And I think it's also clear that we are not journalists.
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B
I know. I'm a journalist.
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C
Well, yeah, that's true. You are. You're the only, like, qualified actually do this. But no, it's true. I mean, I think, like, also, Tim, like, I just rely on you and we have guests. Because, Tim, you actually know what the fuck you're talking about with half the shit, and you can keep the conversation going. So I want to at least bring that up where it's like, let's give Tim his props for, you know, rolling through this shit, because if it was on me, we'd be like, dead air. I don't know what's going on.
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You know, I am the most valuable.
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I'm definitely the most valuable person.
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B
Thank you for putting. Absolutely.
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He's the mvp.
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A
All right, we're going to keep going before. I don't want to talk more, period. We're done with that part. Okay, let's see. Okay, we're going to go to a. An actual policy question, and it is. Do you think that we will ever have universal health care? If so, what will it look like? Stop talking over me.
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You have to let him finish.
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I have to finish. I haven't finished this. And how will it be funded and will we see it in our lifetimes? Rich, you are very excited, so you get to go first again.
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B
I just think, yes, 100%. I think Trump, I think it's kind of like having a black president. Trump fucked it up so hard that I think he actually accelerated the path to universal health care. You know, the ACA was doing well enough. It was almost like, well, the band aid has stopped the bleeding enough that maybe just like, we'll deal with that later. But Trump has done so much to, to make even life, you know, even for people on aca, almost impossible and unaffordable. And so I think people are going to rapidly come to the conclusion like those, Those that middle 10% that we need to win over, they'll conclude that maybe there is just only one option that is actually like durable and viable in terms of, you know, how we're going to pay for it. I mean, I don't care. I don't care. I think, I think that's an answer. Same. No, I, it will get paid for. Just like the war in Iran just magically gets paid for. Sure, just like a two fucking trillion dollar war on terror, war in Iraq. All like we men, we just magically find money. It's not even in the budget. Like Iran is still not in the budget. They don't know where that money is coming from. But it was so important to bomb schools that they just did it anyway. And they said we're going to figure it out. So that's my approach to taking care of American humans is we'll figure it out. But we also produce $30 trillion in GDP every single year. We need two of that, give or take, to pay for universal health care. So make the money real. Corporate taxes, progressive taxes on the wealthy, tax, capital gains, maybe there's a yacht tax or like a, you know, a private jet tax. Like there are a lot of things that we can explore, but we can get it paid for.
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Yeah, I'll. So I have probably more experience in this industry than most, so I'm going to have a less optimistic answer, but still not totally pessimistic. I think the true answer is in our lifetime. Yes, in the next 20 years it's not going to look like what you think it's going to look like. I think like to start, Democrats are in it. Democrats are in a really ideal position to use it as like a tactic to win this upcoming set of elections. Like, definitely should pursue it. The problem is when you get into the nitty gritty of it, the Execution is going to be extraordinarily difficult, not even paying for it. That's actually the least of the problems that come along with it. The biggest problem is infrastructurally, how do you shift from this one really embedded corporate model to a governmental model? And that shift is going to take a tremendous amount of time. And like, I kind of look at it as akin to how Trump said, oh, we're just going to take manufacturing and swing it back to the US and everybody here was like, well dude, we even have the fucking buildings to do it. It's the exact same thing here where it's like when you universal healthcare passed, great, but who is going to implement it? How many doctors and nurses do you need? In addition to which we currently have a shortage of anyway, a ton. So in the end we need to build up a way better infrastructure in terms of making sure that people who want to become doctors do it for free. You want to become a nurse, do it for free. Like that has to be part of the bill. There's so many pieces of it that are critical or else it just won't work. So like we are going to have to step it up over time and if they, and if like we attempt to, to take like a Bernie Sanders plan and do it day one, holy fuck, will that not work? And it will melt down and create a massive problem. So like I heavily, heavily, heavily encourage people who want it fast to throttle back and realize just how hard that's going to be. Not because it's like, hey, I'm trying to be a bummer. It's like, if you really want it to work, be patient, give it a decade or two of time to like inch it in or else it will never fucking work. And that's, that's the really pessimistic but somewhat optimistic answer is that it could work, but we have to get it right.
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I think it's a realistic answer. We need, we need phases because like phase one is probably just the government pays your health care bills instead of you or the government provide, you know, has a single payer option like we tried to get in ACA so that you can buy the government plan to pay your bills in the same medical network that you're using today. And then, you know, you go from there. You don't just say every hospital is federally owned now or some fucking crazy communist state.
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There's also like super simple things we could do. Like, like Kamala Harris actually pitched one which is an out of pocket maximum, which is a really really good ide that nobody goes bankrupt anymore and the government covers that bit of that cost. Fantastic. Like, those are the things we have to start implementing right away and then actually building the infrastructure behind it to eventually become like a European model.
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D
Yeah, Luke, I think we're going to have it. I'm kind of on the team. We watched what Trump just decided he was going to fucking do when he got elected. I think we could do the same thing. You get elected. Whatever it takes to do it. You just do it. Yeah, the lawsuits. Exactly. Zach thinks that's 20 years. 20 years from now we'll have it. I think we could have it started in two if they actually just started.
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C
Mean, that's what I'm not.
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I mean, you're not going to have it fully implemented in four years.
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No way.
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But like you could elect someone and have somebody that actually goes in and says, we're going to get this going. And at the end of four years of my presidency, you will have a fledgling version of it. Something that changes the way that you get health care. It's not going to change the way that people get educated. It's not going to change, you know, immediately, all of that. But it's, it's so many people are. They're so afraid to take the first step. They just take no steps and they're like.
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And.
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But we're gonna, we're gonna keep, we're gonna keep goosing along grandpa here. Our up health care system. We're gon stab him with a load of money and all you guys are gonna get. It's ridiculous.
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I'm with you.
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A
Well, I agree with everybody a little bit. I do think that it is important to show some early wins. And I wonder. I don't remember who proposed if this was Bernie or if this was somebody else, but was actually starting to move. Like lowering the age to qualify for Medicare, even if it's like a year or two so that you could say a few extra million people or what. I don't know how many people are in those. Each of these demographics are, are already getting it. Like, I think that buys you time. I do worry. I do worry about the like pull the band aid off and dump everything in. Because we saw what happened with the ACA with the website. If people remember, because I was in the administration at that point, I don't remember. So not to get into. I don't really want to talk about. Okay. So basically they set up the exchange, right? And so there needed to be a website and there needed to be A way to connect to the various healthcare companies and the different states. Everything was different. Yeah. And it was healthcare.gov and on the first day of enrollment, so many people flooded it to try to get health care. They crashed it. And then of course, what happened after that was the Republicans were like, see, see, they can't even make a website work. And, and there was lots of reasons for why that happened. And a lot of it is to basically the way that the government sources, contracts to have technology built, which is a totally broken system, which is essentially the same today and needs to be fucking burned in a fire. And it was basically like these big, I'm not going to say any of their names, but these big consulting companies who. Charging stupid amounts of money for something that really should have cost single digit millions instead of like hundreds of millions. And what fixed it was they basically went around and they, they brought in some folks who knew what the hell they were doing and they got it fixed. But that's a website. Now imagine if you all of a sudden, all of the tens of millions of Americans who don't have health care, have health care and they start trying to make doctor's appointments. Well, it's not going to work. Right. So that's why I think if you can start showing success early with smaller groups moving them in, especially that 62 to 65 group, which isn't eligible for Medicare. But, and they're only staying, they're only staying in their jobs in order to have health care, you start moving that down, more of those people retire, more jobs open on the back end. So yeah, it's the first step is all.
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Yeah, yeah.
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Right. Here's a, here's another first step that I think makes that even like the. Going back to what I was saying, like you must make the first step, making medical school free and making nursing school free for people like that. If, if you do that first, that means that five years from now you're going to have a whole group of people who were able to actually do something they wanted to do but got priced out of right now. That will substantially increase speed up the pace at which you can do this.
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Yeah, yeah, I agree. I think starting with like, we've learned this lesson with so many things, but if you look at, like, look at what we do with gas mileage for vehicles, we have a schedule, you know, the government has a schedule and for a long time the government said like in 10 years all new vehicles will have to meet this standard. So how you get there is up to you. Yeah, but Know that this is happening. We could do the same thing with EV mandates now. We could do the same thing with, with health care where if you say all health insurance plans have to have a 1000 or lower deductible and a 2000 or lower out of pocket maximum starting in 5 years, fuck off. If you, if you, if you're, if that's hard for you, we give you five years to get it done. You start, you know, start moving the Medicare age down. I think you should also start at the bottom and move them and, and have a. So, so you're, you know, pancaking the, the population because one, young people are healthy generally and very cheap to cover. Two, you're also getting young people who are just getting exposed. You know, they have no money and they're just sort of coming alive in the political arena. Get them into the system too, so that they understand, like, hey, this is the future. If you keep fighting for this. If we start with only people who are in their 60s and 70s, people who are high risk populations, it's the same thing with aca. You're talking about the most expensive people to cover. If you offset that and then you work with the Medicaid or the Medicare tax, which is a payroll tax, we make it a little more progressive, increase it on high earners. There are a lot of ways that you could, you know, telegraph what you're trying to do. You know, first you need the demand from the public. If we can get the public to just say, yes, fucking do it. Elect the person who says they're going to do it, then that's when you start this phased approach. But you do have to show the wins. People have to go to the doctor and pay less right now. And as soon as you don't have a bill from your doctor, you're going to go, I never want to see that again. So whatever you have to do to keep going on this, you know, keep it real. That's how you win people over. Not by saying, I got a 42 point plan and all that, like nobody cares. Right.
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D
But that. And that's the same like Zach saying it's going to take 20 years. It will. But the only way it actually happens is if you maintain power for 20 years.
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Yeah.
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And the only way that happens is if people actually feel like you're doing something for them.
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Right.
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Historically they're like, yeah, no. So you have to take a first step. And that goes back to my day. One say, fuck it, we're getting some
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shit started and that and raise the minimum wage, while you're at it, probably
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starts with saying basically everything Trump did, fuck off, it's gone.
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You know, cut it all out, you're done.
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B
Well, governing by executive order, that's the best thing about it is you just go, all of those things are in the garbage now.
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Well, that is a perfect segue to another question that I was going to ask later, but now this segue, it made it, I had to ask it now. So again, I'm not saying the names, but with the Trump executive order on mail in voting, how legal is this and will they be able to enforce it? Also, what can we do if ICE is going to try and scare people at the polls?
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Not enforceable. Fucking at all not enforceable.
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And it's totally illegal.
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Yeah, like insanely illegal.
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It's.
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It'll get chopped down.
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Yeah. The federal government has no oversight over state elections, period. They don't.
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B
So Congress does. The executive branch doesn't.
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Sorry. Correct. But by eo, you cannot. Like, if they pass the SAVE act, they could. But by an executive order is banning mail in ballots. No, it is not. It is not enforceable. Now does that mean that some right. Some right. Some red states don't try. Well, they already have made voting in their states pretty difficult anyways, so it's not really that much of a difference. But like in battleground states, they. That it's meaningless. It's completely meaningless.
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C
I agree. I also think on the ICE thing, like, you know, I tend to be the least alarmist of everybody and I just look at it and go, look, ICE in airports was like a couple bad stories and then everybody moved. It's the same shit here. I don't expect any substantial impact from ICE being there. Should they be there? No. But in the end, like if ICE is out there stopping people from voting and ripping them out of lines and shit, and it turns out they're American citizens, the PR from that is fucking atrocious. And they're already in a PR nightmare. Like they're not dying for this to continue.
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And that's why with the person said, what can people do? Videotape it. Yeah, that's the single most important thing you can do. Also, if you are 100% legal. Yeah, it is 100% legal to film them at all times. As long as you are not interfering investigation or don't ever. Don't ever touch, no matter what.
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B
No, but it, but it is illegal and to have soldiers or armed anybody at polling stations. You know, ICE will probably increase activity in Hispanic areas in Blue or swing states leading up to the election so that they can just generate a sense of fear in the environment. Hoping that Hispanic voters. But the thing is like if you're Hispanic, if you're a Hispanic voter, you are a citizen, which means you don't have anything to fear. So it's really still a narrative battle and nobody wants to be wrongfully detained. And it might happen, but like Republican secretaries of state, Republican governors have already come out and said like, no, we will fight the federal government to keep ICE away if they do try to start going down that path. So again, we might have some isolated flare ups, but the, the doom, the doom factory of like ICE is going to be like shooting people at the poles or whatever. That's not going to happen.
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Well, and the other thing that's important, and this is only for a subset of people, but if you are an attorney, a practicing attorney of any kind, tell your local Democratic Party office. Because one of the things I did in 2008 and my team on the Obama campaign was we recruited voter protection lawyers. So these are people that know the law and they are, they are put in particular locations that might have, let's say, Tom tomfoolery or fuckery going on and making sure that that does not happen. When I was, I volunteered in 2012 because I was in the administration and I was terrified of losing my job after that first debate. And so I was in Virginia beach and I will never forget how screw. And it was, I was in Virginia beach in a, in a predominantly black district. And all of a sudden the machines go down. The voting machines go down like an hour in or some bullshit. The lines just start going longer and longer and they're all just looking at each other. And I, there was a voter protection lawyer there and I, I was there because they asked some of us to also go monitor. And I said, have you ever seen anything like this before? He goes, no. He's like, this is, this feels very deliberate. And like we had to. The reason we were there is we had to keep people in line. But those voter protection lawyers are the ones that can make sure that everything legal is going on and that you can report it. So if you are a lawyer, an attorney of any kind, you can take the day off and do that wherever you are, it doesn't matter where you live.
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So that's cool.
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Do that, do that, do that. Esquires.
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D
That's pretty cool, right?
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New question. Besides misinformation, voters being uninformed. Voters being uninformed seems like such a Huge block to change. Have you considered doing an Educate Ourselves segment guest presentation? So I will start because that's a tough one. You need to think about it for a minute. That that's why we're having people like Monty Mader on our podcast, because we want to show people, you know, how challenging some. Some environments are for people. Like, she grew up in a right wing household in which she couldn't listen to music or contemporary music or wear pants. And I think it's important for people to understand what we're up against. We're talking about doing one potentially on the ramifications of. Of sexual assault because we want people who listen to our show to actually understand from people who this has happened to, both men and women, by the way. I think people need to hear these stories. And so I think that we are, in essence, you know, trying to give people broader context for the situation that we are in. And while most people listening have an idea, I think we are arming, hopefully arming people with more information that they can take out to their friends and family. So in essence, I kind of feel like that is something that we strive for every week. Uh, are you stuck staring at your W2? Are tax refund worries holding you back? You probably have fomu the fear of messing up the fix. Using TurboTax on Intuit credit Karma, they find every credit and deduction to help you get every refund dollar you deserve or your money back. It's time to overcome your fear of messing up and get your taxes done right. Start filing today in the Credit Karma app.
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B
I think the hardest thing for me is getting to people. Getting to people who aren't engaged in politics is like you need the audience to. Yep. To listen in order for you to get a message across to them. And so, I mean, that's probably like the number one or number two comment I get on videos is, man, I wish I there was some way to get this to the people who need to hear it and so.
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D
Or say it louder for the people in the back. I get that one.
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B
Right, right, right. Exactly.
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Saying it as loud as I can.
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B
Damn, I can't yell in my car.
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A
Yeah, I think you're doing your job, Luke. I think you. I think you checked that box.
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B
But yeah, you know, bringing on. And I think like, to our. To our reviewers point, rather than talking in circles about, you know, familiar topics and talking to familiar people, we. We do need to constantly do a better job of talking about things that are, you know, like the red pill pipeline that are 1 or 2 degrees of removal from politics away so that we can bring people in talking about sports or talking about pop culture, talking about music, and not through a political lens, but just through a human lens where it's like I, I do like watching football actually, and I feel like I get in trouble in some, some circles for even like, oh, concussion ball, like. Well, yeah, but talking about football is the only way I can get like a non political person to have a conversation with me. So, so yeah, getting, getting, getting out to those audiences is difficult. I think we're saying a lot of the right things, but finding it, finding a way to say it in the right way and say it like through the right conduits to get to those people continues to be really challenging.
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A
Well, Luke, you, you've had some success in this arena though, actually of, of reaching some of these people, right?
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D
Yeah, I mean, I've had, I don't know, a couple hundred probably dms from people.
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A
What do they say?
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D
I mean, it's normally some variety of. I didn't know what I was supporting until you said it.
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B
Yeah. The way you did.
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D
Which historically, I mean, every, I feel like every guy has that moment in their life where they didn't know how big of a piece of they were being until somebody just fucked him. Oh, wagged them.
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B
Oh, yeah. And so true.
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D
I'll be that guy if nobody else is going to be that guy.
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B
Right.
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A
Well, there you go.
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B
Happy to fall on that sword.
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D
Yeah. I got no problem calling you as
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B
slack jawed half wit when the looking sister kissers.
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A
All right.
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D
Exactly.
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A
Oh, God. Okay, we're moving on. This is mostly for, for, I think for Rich, but maybe for everybody.
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B
Oh, God.
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A
Where do you go when you're looking for statistics to show Trump's damage to our economy? I find that just Googling. I can find any statistic to prove almost anything thing.
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B
You have to know the source that you're clicking on because, because yes, you, you can, you can use AI summaries, you can use Google searches, you can find, find the data. But you do have to understand like, is this a, is this the source is first is the first question. So if, if I'm reading even something on the left from like the Hill or even from politico sources that I, that I do like generally trust, it's almost never the source of the data. You need to click to the, go to the source of the data. And that's usually a think tank or a research firm. It's often a nonprofit. You know, if, if they have A website that ends in gov. And it's not something that's directly political, that's being puked out from, you know, Pete Hegseth or, or Donald Trump specifically. Usually you can trust it. If they don't share the raw data, they have to like to have a real study. You have to share the data so that other researchers can replicate the findings should they choose to go down that path. If you can just see all of those things, that means they're probably trying to do it right, which means they're probably not trying to blow smoke. And in that sense, even from the Heritage foundation, occasionally you'll get a study that has real data that they share. Cato Institute increasingly has been, they're, they're pro immigration and they're increasingly sharing like crazy amounts of data, like 20, 30, 40 year research projects that include tens of thousands of people. So those are the kinds of markers you're looking for. Like, is this is. Does this look like a research firm? Is this a think tank? Is this somebody I've heard of? And then also, of course, look who's behind it. If it's a think tank and it's like Focus on the Family since they came up the other day, that's quite a bit different. If it's a politically charged, you know, heavily biased organization versus someone who is like going to reluctantly tell you the truth, even if it doesn't line up with their politics. Because it's like researchers respect the craft more than they respect the politics. Right, Good, Good researchers. And so, you know, if you see those markers, but it's only once you've seen a couple of like, ones where you're like, well, this is obviously fucking ridiculous because it's like a Twitter poll or something. Then you see the good ones, the clean ones with real data, and you're like, okay, I actually can trust this.
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C
A huge percentage of it too is like being able to spot data manipulation and the way it's being talked about because like a lot of this, it is real data and it's just spinned in a way where it's like, well, that's not like I remember seeing. And it's, you know, not necessarily like a thing that'll make people positive for like how the left does this. But it's, it was something where like they were like, well, Sweden never during COVID Sweden had like very different laws about how they did and Norway didn't. They're like, okay, we're gonna side by side, these two. And there was a big like, story on the Left of like, well, Norway's was 50% better. And you look at the raw data and it was actually like 2 out of 10,000 deaths versus 3. And it's like, that's technically correct, but it's a tremendous way to manipulate the headlines.
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D
It's characterization.
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C
Right? So like, whenever I'm doing this stuff, I tend to try to focus on, like, if there's hard data in there where it's not like contextualized, it's just like, is like you could just look at it and go, yes, this is clear the story, nobody's trying to manipulate it. But when you see big headlines that are like, can you believe it's double this or triple that's like, oh my God, double what? Triple what? Like, you need to look into that
- [33:29]
B
level of it for sure and read past the headline. Like, on that exact point. Do not just read the thing. Because the thing might be that reporter's best idea of a hook that will get people to click where. Yeah, routinely the best data I find is in the same study. It's just not cherry picked. Like, to your point, they'll say things like, it was a 50% increase or decrease or whatever. Or they'll like, they'll compare to a really arbitrary point in time where they'll be like, 1987. Like, well, what the fuck happened in 1987 that made it a mile marker in this conversation? If that feels like you're cherry picking, like, go to a clean date. But when you start unpacking the data that's below the headlines, if the headline doesn't line up, like, with intellectual honesty with what the data says, that means probably everything else is worth taking a double look at. Whereas, like, if it's characterized fairly, it's like, okay, they're not trying to pull one over on me here.
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A
So what? I would say it. Yes to all of that, especially on the medical stuff like Zach mentioned. Like, oh, yeah, because you get this with the stupid vaccine.
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B
Yeah.
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A
Medically, the worst here is a study that shows that, you know, peanut butter cures autism. And it's like, well, you. There were three kids in this study and no one else has looked at this. No one peer reviewed it. So, like, no, but like, people have no autism. Oh, that's, that's the other one is. Yeah, well, I saw a funny. I actually saw a funny thing, hilarious one about. They were like, they were like, yes, the notoriously, like, very outgoing and outspoken Amish people who raise barns for fun and churn butter. Like, what's more autistic than churning butter. The same motion over and over again. And what was the other one? Oh, and like, and like rocking in their, in their wooden chairs like it was just.
- [35:21]
D
They carve themselves.
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A
They carve themselves.
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B
You mean they're not like sharing their digital medical records going back 40 years so we can study the longitudinal data?
- [35:30]
A
Yes, yes. And they don't let anybody in and yada yada, yada. But anyways, on that side, if it's not peer reviewed, it's not worth looking at unless it's a brand new thing and people are interested, whatever. Because a lot of times you'll hear like, oh, scientists cured cancer in mice. And it's like, then a peer review, they go, well, no, not really or whatever, but you need to have peer review on the stuff that comes across your social feed. 9 times out of 10 I go check and make sure that there is a source for it somewhere else. And if you see something that seems like a big story without a lot of engagement on it, chances are it's not real. Yeah. And so like we are living in a world of misinformation and disinformation and it makes it really difficult. But like I do rely on the New York Times even though I have lots of problems with them. But I know they fact check their stuff.
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B
Yeah.
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A
The Washington Post.
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B
Yeah.
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A
Same like even the Wall Street Journal, who we don't agree with all the time, like they all fact check their stuff.
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B
Yeah.
- [36:26]
A
So like using those sources is helpful. But like if you're like at, you know, danger zone, 6969 is saying like Trump's dead probably and there's like three likes on it and no reshares, you know, so like some of it's like you just have to slow down that
- [36:48]
B
just because like you, you triggered something that is so obvious when you read a lot of news. But I think a lot of people don't understand editorials and news articles are not the same thing.
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A
Right.
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B
If you're reading an opinion piece in the Wall Street Journal, they'll cherry pick all the things that they want to make their argument. And they have no responsibility, no, no professional legal responsibility to tell you fair, you know, well, qualified truths. They can say anything they want. Same with New York Times, same with Washington Post. So even if you find a credible source, if you find yourself meandering into, you know, the whole editorial section, understand that they are, they're not only maybe picking, you know, cherry picking facts, they are most likely cherry picking facts to make a case. I could be you know, people would say that I do that in my videos. I, I give the full context, though I try not to cherry pick and present misleading stats. But when you're trying to change somebody's opinion, you are by default looking for evidence that supports your case. It's just whether you like, you have to understand when you're consuming, you know, content or an article or a video that this person probably they might like, if they're writing an editorial, they have, they're trying to influence you to change your mind about something. And so, you know.
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A
Right.
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B
Understand that data presented through that lens is not going to be the same as data that's presented through an actual news article in the news section of a newspaper.
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A
On to the next question. What do you see as the biggest hurdle to make the next election more about forward progress and less about anti Maga? And would you guys consider partnering with other outlets like Valor Media on your new platform? Do you want me to answer that one first?
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C
Sure.
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D
Yeah. Kick it.
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A
Having these conversations and really like pushing candidates to come up with plans. We need an ecosystem of podcasters, influencers, voters pushing the candidates to give us plans. What is the plan to solve the crisis that we're in right now? How would you do things differently? And we have to hound them about it until they do it. They will hate it, and you should force them to do it. And I think we joke all the time about how many people are gonna run for president next year, but I think we have to hold them accountable. We have to see a vision for the future. Because being anti Maga, we'll retake the house by being anti Maga. We will not build any sort of long term coalitions by just being anti maga.
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C
No 100%. I, I think that's exactly right. And I think honestly, like, the fact that you pointed out how many people are going to run for president, like, that's the best thing possible in my mind. Like having all these different people with different ideologies compete and see which rises to the top, that's. That's the only way to really make this work in the end, you know, otherwise it's just going to be a bunch of guesswork. And frankly, like, that's what Kamala Harris's campaign was. It was a tremendous amount of guesswork of like, okay, we have 100 days. We have no idea how we're going to make this transition. And it just didn't work. You know, so this, it's like, I mean, the litigation period is going to be crazy, which I'M excited about. Like, that's going to be so fun to watch of all these. These candidates just getting torched. But eventually the right is going to rise to the top, and I'm really excited to see how that's going to go. So I think that's the best way to do it is like, so much of the focus is just naturally going to be on the issues and whose ideas are best. That I think it'll. It'll kind of work itself out to a certain degree.
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B
Yeah, I mean, I, I think there's two pieces. Totally agree with that. I was just sort of like, reflecting for a moment on when was the last time we had, like, a clean primary on the left. And it was 2016. Right. Like, I think you could kind of say was a clean primary. So we will have gone 12 years because. Because.
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A
Wait, what do you mean, what do you mean by clean primary?
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B
I mean a PR primary where, like, generally politics are.
- [40:40]
C
Even Covid was 20 was that way.
- [40:43]
B
2020. Covid was. People were really craving stability and security, Joe Biden being right. Well, and Joe Biden being a vice president. There was nothing on. I'm not saying it was unfair, that it wasn't. It wasn't carried out correctly. I just mean, like, voter expectations. I think we'll be in a place where we will be absolutely craving powerful new change. Nobody wanted change in 2020. We were terrified, like, specifically in 2020. Not through all of the pandemic, but early 2020. I was just trying to keep my kids from dying. And so it was very much like I was voting out of a place of security and fear. So that's, that's one piece. But yes, a thousand percent agree. I don't give a. About 2026. Right. That's the year we're in. I care about 2028 because right now we have to calibrate the expectations of voters that they voted Trump and all of his people into power. They took away the keys, all of the levers from the Democrats, except for sort of the filibuster. And really nothing in the House. Like, the Democrats can do almost nothing in the House. And so expecting, like, expecting a big change from Democrats in the next two years is unrealistic and, and frankly, dumb, misinformed. That's not how government works. The best we can do. And we talked about this a little bit, I think, in our. One of our last episodes, but if we take the House, we take all of the committees, we have subpoena power, we have impeachment power. Like, we can nothing gets through Congress if it doesn't have the House. And if we take the House, then we take the House and so Trump's agenda stops. But, but we're not going to fix anything. You can't fix anything when you have the House. Whether or not you have the Senate really doesn't matter unless you have a veto proof majority. We need all three to make real change and you need all three by big margins to make real change. At that point, we need to already know what we are going to tell people we're going to go do. Because to get to the real margins we need, it'll take a blue wave this election cycle and another blue wave in 2028 with the Democratic president where we're flipping more Senate seats just because only a third of the Senate is, you know, every, every, every election cycle. So we need Senate seats this cycle, we need more Senate seats next cycle. And then if we have a veto proof majority or not a veto proof, a filibuster proof majority like Obama had for all of 70 days or something. And the House and the presidency, it was like the 70s the last time we had a full term where Democrats had that kind of a majority everywhere. And everything's gotten worse since then. So if we deliver that kind of change in, in terms of who has power, we can get the stuff done. But we already need to have told people what we're going to get done. And so that has to happen, I think immediately after the midterms is like, what's the, you know, what's Project 2029 to steal their terms?
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D
Give us a fun question, Tim.
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A
Thank you. Well, we're going to keep going. This is related. How should the Democratic Party build a lasting, trustworthy relationship with voters? Not just messaging, but the foundation of what they stand, how that guides policy, etc.
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C
That answer is so simple to me. I mean even with that, just do like really, that's like promise, deliver exactly. Like it's, it's the simplest question yet where it's like all the other pieces are sort of, who cares? Like, make promises, deliver on the promises. Don't go like, well, you know, it's like, okay, do it. That's it.
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D
And when you say you have a value, stick to your value.
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C
Yeah, yeah.
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B
And it has to be immediately for whether you call it middle class or working class. There's like some controversy around middle class. But regular workers have to feel immediate benefit. And if we deliver immediate benefit, you know, like we're talking about health care. If you raise the minimum wage, it'll raise wages for everyone. It puts upward pressure on, on wages, housing relief. Like these are, these are going to be very basic and easy wins. Frankly, in the wake of Donald Trump's disastrous economic policies, that will be the only fastest way to win people over. I mean, that's why Trump gives people stimulus checks and makes sure his name is on them. It's pandering at. It's pandering 101. It's pandering 100. It's like intro to pandering. Give people and make sure they know it came from you. Like, and that, that's the, that's the easiest thing. We tend to overthink and over explain everything. Just give, make sure people have more money and they know it's because of Democrats and the rest of the Paves the way for itself.
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A
Yeah. I would also say as, as someone who's worked in IT before, you know, I think we have to have a more honest engagement with our supporters and not just email them for money and say the sky is falling every five seconds. Because if you tell the, say the sky is falling every five seconds that people stop believing the sky is falling, I also think that we should stand up and fight back harder. I think we, you know, the aca, we kind of like, well, you know, like, and we got our clothes because they were talking about, you know, Garland death, death panels and stupid like this death panel, of course. And you have to be like, they're lying to you. They're idiots. Do not listen to them and be strong. Americans want a strong leader. I'm sorry, they just do. Like, it is what it is. I don't think it's great, but it's, that's the truth. The nature, ownership.
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D
You want to be like somebody, you
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B
feel like action movies, strong, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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A
Right, right. And I, that's. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So like, I mean, it's just, it's. Yeah, it's just so, like, just do it and, but also like tell people, like, do what you say you're going to do. And like, you said, like, just go do it. Look what Trump did in the first three months, how much damage he caused. Now doing positive things is, is harder because you're not trying not to break anything. But I just, I, I think that's really the path forward and in fighting. Like, people don't really feel like they're supported right now by the Democrats in Congress and that has to change. Like, and I'm not just saying that that, that's like a, that's A fact. If you look at the data in the polling, they don't feel supported. Yeah, support them.
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B
I think it's like, you know, people don't want to know what you believe until they know why you believe it or whatever. Say that you're fighting for the regular people. That's what Donald Trump did. We all knew it was a lie. People believed him anyway. Say that you're fighting for regular people and then actually go fight for regular people is the, is the important second part of that. But please fucking stop apologizing. Don't fucking apologize. Like just don't just two year moratorium on apologies from Democrats for anything. I just don't fucking care if you did something wrong or illegal. Just go the fuck away. Retire. Resign. Say I up, I'm out. Good luck. Like conversations over this, these explaining and like, well, I may have said, I may have misspoke. Like immediately backpedaling. That's weak ass. And it tells not just the right and the centrist, but it tells the people on the left that you're not even going to fight for them. Like the second you meet any adversity, you start to backpedal, you start to waffle and your falls apart. Like people need like, like rage and conviction, which is why like Luke's stuff and Luke's show is going so well for one thing. But, but now more than ever, people need that. They need to see it from Democratic leaders because frankly, like the Chuck Schumer, like, glasses on your nose. He's gonna listen now because we said his name. He's got the bat signal.
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D
He's like, yeah, but like Juice, but
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C
like
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B
the strongly worded letters and all that. Like we make fun of it, but it's, but it's, but it's real. Like we, we truly cannot have that.
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D
Nobody cares. Nobody cares that you said fuck Chuck.
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C
Right?
- [48:38]
D
If they don't feel like you're doing anything, swear more.
- [48:41]
B
But, but swear more while doing the shit that needs to get done. And then don't apologize for swearing.
- [48:46]
D
Don't take pictures with a fucking baseball bat.
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A
You know who everybody should be looking at as a bottle right now? And a lot of people are going to roll their eyes at me, but not anyone here, I don't think. But is Zoram Donnie. So his poll numbers are through the roof.
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C
Yeah.
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A
And part of it's because he did make a deal with Kathy Hochul to get free child care for two year olds. We already had it for three and four year olds, so now we'll have it for Two year olds. And then you know what, the next thing he did, he was like, I'm gonna make. I'm gonna get the city works department to go out and fix all the potholes in the city. You know, they filled like 8,000. Yeah, 8,000.
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B
Immediate, direct benefit, immediate results.
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A
You see the truck in front of your house, you see that pothole gone. And he said, I told them to go do it. That's the deal. Now mayors have it different, right? Because there is direct. Like, yeah, like there's a direct connection to what they do to you. But like, even if it's in the healthcare stuff, it's like we dropped the age of Medicare to 64. Something. Just things, right? Like things that you could show, like
- [49:43]
D
you actually do something tangible.
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A
Differences in people's lives. Yes. Or like, I am not gonna. I am not gonna support a $1.5 trillion budget, defense budget. I actually want that to be half because we're not going to fight wars anymore unless we are actually attacked and do that shit.
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B
Only because you mentioned it. Zara and Mom, Donnie and daycare and all that Donald Trump, you know, caught on the. Wasn't a hot mic, but they didn't intend to broadcast it. You know, he said, like, we, you know, we have all of these social programs make the states pay for them. They'll have to raise their taxes. We are only here for one thing, which is for war. And he specifically talked about how we can't do daycare. That's. There's too many people. Elizabeth Warren had a bill in 2019 that would have given free daycare for all 19 or so a million American children. Birth to kindergarten, so birth to five. It was estimated to cost around $90 billion a year, which is the equivalent, like if we were going to give free daycare to all American. And that assumes 100% enrollment.
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A
Right. And rich, rich Americans too. Right, Everybody.
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B
Which would be the right choice by the. Just fucking give it to everybody. All that money just goes back into the economy some other way. But it makes life easier for working people. That's three months in Iran for a fucking year of free health care or of free child care. We'll get to health care later. But free child care for every single American child is. Is right. 12 months of child care for the cost of three months of Trump's war in Iran. But we. And we had money for that. But we can't afford daycare.
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D
Right. And we'll end up having money for $1.5 trillion worth of defense.
- [51:26]
A
I bet he gets more than he got last year. But I don't know, some of those members, like some of the Republicans were like, he can ask for that.
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D
Did you see the list of shit that cuts that he wants?
- [51:36]
B
Oh yeah, he wants to cut everything. Every single. All social program.
- [51:42]
D
The ex Kamala campaign socials all put it out.
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B
Right? Yeah.
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D
The headquarters newsroom that they, they put on the list. It's crazy.
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B
It's like surprising 50 things long that are all tens of millions into the billions.
- [51:55]
A
And again, for what? Right, like are. You know, you cut that. What is the benefit? The benefit is the war in Iran.
- [52:03]
D
Well, so Eric and Don Jr. Can make more money on their drone companies. That's right.
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C
Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly.
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A
Right. Okay.
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B
I mean, just like, it's just funny because like it's April. They have not a lot of months if they're going to do another bill like that. They got a what a one vote majority now, I think made two vote majority.
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A
I don't think they could pass it. I don't.
- [52:24]
B
The odds of even getting enough people on the floor to have a vote is tough. And to get every single person in line, including Thomas Massie and stuff like that, like, I don't know.
- [52:33]
A
Oh, he's a no. Like that's the thing, right? They only requires a couple. Lauren Boebert, right. You know the boat. You know that one of the biggest idiots in the House was like, nope, I'm not doing that without a war resolution. Massey won't go for it. For spending. They're done. That's it. But like they're as we saw you
- [52:50]
B
or so who are going to lose their seats.
- [52:53]
A
We talked to the, the Democratic, the chair of the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee and she said they've identified 44 seats for flipping. Those 44 Republicans are going to be like, you want me to vote for
- [53:04]
B
what, 500 million more for Pete Hegseth right now? Are you.
- [53:08]
A
I'm just kidding me. On a war that we don't know what's happening and they're shooting down F6, F15s and thank God we got the other guy back. But like, yeah, you know, they've, they've estimated that half of their drones are still, are still there. Like they, we haven't stopped them from being a, a terror funder, which they are, right. They fund Hezbollah and other things. They do those things. We're not defending them, but it's just like you are. You are making this be a 30 to 40 seat loss rather than a 20 to 25 seat loss with what you're doing here. So now let's end with a fun one.
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B
All right?
- [53:42]
A
Because everyone loves this one. If the 25th Amendment was used on a president, could he then use that as a legal basis to get out of legal trouble? Or is. Or either civilian lawsuits or criminals as a. As a defense? I ask because if this is based on dementia and someone who has helped my own family members with it, a lot of their liability for their actions become moot since they lack capacity or held accountable due to their mental decline. What are their. Wow. What are your thoughts on this? Can I just say right off the top, none of us is a lawyer or legal.
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D
Not legal advice.
- [54:18]
A
This is not legal advice. But what I would say is, first of all, we don't know because it's never been used before and, like, not even remotely close. They did talk about it in 2020, but it was like one or two of them. And I think it was like Rex Tillerson or somebody who, like, left anyways, but. Or Elaine Chow or. I don't remember, but I don't think that it is a legal defense, but I don't know. Anyways, what do you guys think?
- [54:43]
B
I was just gonna Google the pardons applied a civil. I mean, I don't. Because. I don't know. State. Right.
- [54:52]
A
Well, it's also just not criminal. Like, it just wouldn't. Like. Yeah, there's no. You can't. You can't give a pardon to somebody who has a civil penalty.
- [55:01]
B
Well, it only applies to federal crimes. Not. Not to. So even if there was like a federal civil lawsuit, which I guess you sue through civil court, again, not a lawyer, obviously, sue through civil court in your state, and then it would have to get appealed up to the Supreme Court to get decided. Because a lot of. A lot of Supreme Court cases, I think maybe even most are originate with civil suits. But can the. Can the government pardon? Like, would Vance be able to. I mean, that's the thing. I don't. Like you just get President Vance then. Could Vance pardon Trump for that? I think he could do insanity defense, but. But for civil penalties, maybe not.
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A
I think for. I think he could for. For a federal crime. But you can't wipe. He can't wipe off the 34 felonies that he's been convicted of in New York.
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B
Can't do anything that they can't do anything with state convictions.
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A
No. I also think it's moot because they're not going to do it. They're just not.
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D
Yeah.
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B
Like, it's fun to think about.
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A
I Mean, it is fun to think about, but, like, if you think about these, he picked all bootlickers. All of them. We even heard that Pam Bondi was, like, begging for her job. I'm like.
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D
She was like, can I just stay till summer?
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A
Yeah. Can I just. It's like, what is this? Like, what? For what? Like, he already wants you gone and you want to stick around for three more months. Like, it doesn't.
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B
She was going to break up with him so that she could date other guys just in time for bikini season.
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A
But, like, who. Okay, here's a. Here's a question. Who would be the person in the cabinet most likely to start the 25th Amendment conversation? I don't know if I know anybody.
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C
I mean, Marco Rubio is maybe the most sane of all of them, but he's a baby.
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D
He was definitely in that Easter Bunny suit today. I bet that was him.
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B
Oh, my God.
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A
Yeah. Marco. Ruby, the Marco Rubio who? The joke is, like, if you're. If your life depended on Marco Rubio having a spine, you'd already be dead.
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C
Right. Exactly.
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A
Yeah.
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C
I mean, I could see JD Doing it.
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A
Honestly, that would. But can. Is he part of the quote, unquote Cabinet? Does the Vice president have a vote in this?
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B
Oh, good question.
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C
I don't know, but he could definitely start the conversation. If he goes behind and be like, hey, this guy sucks. I can save everything. Yeah, I think that could happen.
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B
What about, like, Susie Wiles? Like, on her, you know, just.
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A
Yeah, well, she doesn't have a vote, but, yeah, I think that they have to be said it approved it to be in this conversation for 25th Amendment. So, I mean, like, enough Tulsi's anti
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B
war and, like, maybe, I don't know.
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A
Oh, wait, no. She is confirmed, right? So she is in the Cabinet.
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D
That's right.
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C
Yeah.
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A
Governor Bargum Braggum from the Interior Department.
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C
I don't know, he just. He stacked the whole thing so full of.
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A
I know. It's like, at least in the first term, you could be like Rex Tillerson, who called him an idiot.
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B
Right.
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A
Actual stupid person. By the way, did you guys see the video of Lindsey Graham, like, after a run of golf? He was, like, kind of like, slurring and going into it.
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D
That dude was three sheets to the wind.
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C
Yeah, he.
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A
I mean, I don't know, but, like, yeah, that's after.
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D
That's after he got caught at Disneyland last week.
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B
Yeah.
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A
Why Disneyland? And then the next day, Disney World. He was Disney World.
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D
He was walking around with, like, a big thing of cotton Candy. And everybody was giving him. So then he posted videos of himself with guns.
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A
Yeah, because he's a big, big tough man. Got guns, right?
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D
Yeah, he's huge.
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B
Guns and cotton candy. That's like the whole Republican Party. Like, in a weird metaphor.
- [58:41]
D
Yep.
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A
It is. It is. Well, guys, we just got through most of the questions. Sorry we didn't get to all of them, but I thought some of those were really interesting and it was nice.
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B
Yeah, we didn't get to my question.
- [58:53]
C
Oh, really saved it for the end here.
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A
What is it?
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B
On behalf of the Internet, when are you going to stop fighting with leftists on threads?
- [59:05]
C
It's a fair question. Never. Never. I knew it.
- [59:10]
A
Wait, what are I. Are you talking about me criticizing the people who went to the Kanye west concert?
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B
I'm just talking generally because we had another review. Oh, did you see the other review?
- [59:25]
D
Oh, I don't know. Was it today?
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A
Was it yelling at me?
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B
I mean, I can't guarantee it was yelling at you.
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A
Well, let's. Well, read it now.
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D
I got it.
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A
That's a yes.
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C
I'm never on thread, so I know it's not me.
- [59:36]
B
Oh, this is from November. Host is a phony. He claims to be fair and listening, but he's all in on whitewashing bad candidates and gets defensive online. We don't need more white saviors who don't listen.
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C
I did.
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A
I did. I did read that.
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B
I did read.
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C
That's the worst one.
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B
That's how I wrote that.
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C
I think Zach wrote that.
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A
Zach wrote that. Yeah.
- [60:00]
C
Of all the people in the world.
- [60:01]
B
Yeah, I was gonna say, I think. I think the. Do Feed the Trolls is the headline that. That we all need to like. The more prominent hopefully we get in the future, the more we need to remember that.
- [60:13]
A
Yeah.
- [60:13]
B
I mean, look, there's a way to argue with somebody everywhere.
- [60:16]
A
I have a hard time leaving it alone when someone comes at me or questions my integrity. That is true. But also, you get full access to me if you're online. Like, there's no. Like, you know. But. Yeah, no, I got some people yelling at me today because I was. I was asking why anybody went to that stupid Kanye west concert.
- [60:35]
B
Oh, right.
- [60:35]
A
This weekend, which blew me away. Like, the guy literally wrote a song called High called Heil Hitler.
- [60:42]
C
Yeah. He's the biggest piece of.
- [60:43]
A
And he said, I love Hitler.
- [60:45]
B
I think he has some mental health problems.
- [60:47]
C
Yeah, he's bipolar.
- [60:50]
A
Bipolar doesn't make you a Nazi sympathizer.
- [60:52]
B
No, a lot of bipolar people who don't.
- [60:54]
A
That's like, the thing I keep hearing about these people like, that, like, gun violence is a mental health issue. I'm like, no, it's not that. I mean, yes, you shouldn't let mentally ill people have guns. But, like, that's. That's. That's not the problem.
- [61:06]
C
Oh.
- [61:06]
A
Or like, ah, you know, this person, like, had to go to therapy when they called someone the N word or something. Like, no, they're just racist.
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C
Like.
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A
Or like, you know, this. This just kills me. So, like, when I saw that he was, you know, going on tour and he's got this big. He's clearly spent all this cash and it's all sold out, and people are. Not only did they go, but they were bragging about going, oh, yeah. And I'm like, he is a horrific human being. So, yeah. Yelled at some people for doing that today.
- [61:32]
B
So.
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A
But maybe we'll get another bad review.
- [61:34]
B
Say the thing, and then don't respond to the angry comments. Otherwise they proliferate.
- [61:39]
C
Yep. That's what I do. I don't even read the comments.
- [61:42]
B
I respond to my nice comments. I love my. My. My commenters are the best people in the world. They're just hundreds of amazing, warm, heartfelt comments on every video. I don't know how I do it, honestly, how I generate such positivity in the world, but I love being on the receiving end of it. That sounds gross.
- [62:02]
D
Rich loves to be on the receiving. Real quick.
- [62:06]
A
Real quick.
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D
This is kind of tangentially rated as a. As a. As a. As a pitch for Get Angry. We had a wonderful guest on Today. You may have heard of her. Her name is Yumi Verse online.
- [62:18]
B
God damn it.
- [62:18]
D
Yes, she's the one who made the remix calling Pam Bondi the C word.
- [62:25]
B
Yep, she's called a lot of people a lot of words.
- [62:27]
A
Yeah, Zach.
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D
Zach was on our producer role, so he was off camera as Brian and I were talking with her today. And Zach, we learned what a lunar is today, didn't we?
- [62:38]
C
A lunar, dude.
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D
A lunar and a Gooner.
- [62:42]
A
What is.
- [62:42]
D
Because. Because Cash Patel is a gooner, which means he is. He made a. Because he. Yes. Last week we found out that he made a porn account on X videos and left the comments under them.
- [62:53]
C
Hence, Gooner.
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D
Kristi Gnome's husband likes to put balloons up under his shirt, which there is a name for. It's called being a lunar.
- [63:04]
A
Oh, that's.
- [63:05]
D
So we learned about Gooners and loners. And so if you're interested, go check out this week's episodes of Get Angry.
- [63:12]
B
When can I listen to that. Tomorrow.
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C
Wednesday.
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D
Wednesday.
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A
Wednesday.
- [63:15]
B
So, yes.
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A
So tomorrow.
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D
I think that should be the title of it, Zach.
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C
Oh, dude.
- [63:23]
A
Guys.
- [63:24]
B
What the. Is a lunar and a Gooner.
- [63:26]
A
Yeah, you should do that. Can you do that or are we gonna get your. Your episode is not getting monetized anyways. No.
- [63:33]
D
She said so many bad words, and it was awesome.
- [63:37]
A
Every time I go and look and I look in YouTube and I'm like, oh, look at all these greens. Because it shows. Yeah, fine. To be monetized. Then it's. Then it's Get Angry, and it's, like, yellow. It's like, this is basically only, like, I don't know what it is. If it's like, gambling and, like, I don't know what else. Sexually suggestive advertising probably is, like, the only things that you guys can get, like, advertising on because nobody. They're like, whoa, this is, like, way too much. You guys might break the land speed record for most set words set. Saying the word the most in 30 minutes with her.
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C
Yeah.
- [64:13]
B
No, I just have to say I have never seen a creator arc so fast as her, because she. The first video I saw of her from her was. Was that one, you know, and it's just like. And they're not minute and a half long think pieces. They're like 10, 14 seconds of blistering evisceration, of naming names. And then. And then, like, a whole week later, she's like, well, I got fired because of my social media, so now I'm going to be even worse. And now she's, like, showing up on our pilot five wheels.
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A
Awesome.
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D
It was awesome.
- [64:49]
C
The quote was like, the choice was employment or fighting fascism. And I chose to fight fascism.
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B
Like, bam.
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C
That was a banger.
- [64:57]
A
Zach was texting me. He was like, dude, just wait.
- [65:00]
B
She's. She's like white fire. Like, just white hot fire.
- [65:04]
A
All of a sudden, I started seeing her come across my feed. I'm like, who the hell is this? And then I look, and she's got, like, 280,000 followers or something. Like, what?
- [65:12]
B
Yeah.
- [65:12]
A
And. But she's very good at. At that. And she is a perfect guest for Get Angry. So everybody should go listen to that.
- [65:20]
C
Perfect first guest.
- [65:21]
A
Yep. And everybody should go watch or listen to American Power, which is killing it right now. And everybody should go watch or listen to Nola Haynes is not a spy. So those are the four shows we've got now, are we. We have a new one next week, I think.
- [65:39]
B
Hard to keep track.
- [65:40]
C
It's gonna be a couple weeks. We Got his mile takes coming out. And then Brad and Corey show CFH and Brad doggy.
- [65:45]
B
That's. That's a good one.
- [65:46]
A
And then on Thursday's Find out podcast, we have. We don't have Yumi verse. We have Governor J.B. pritzker from Illinois coming on.
- [65:54]
D
So you think I can get him to say the C word?
- [65:57]
A
You might be able to get him to drop an F bomb.
- [65:59]
D
I bet I can get.
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B
Let's, let's. Let's have a. Let's have a. Our own internal wager on how many F bombs we can get out of him. Let's decide that off camera.
- [66:08]
A
Okay. We don't have a ton of time, so I'm gonna keep it to a minimum. I think the over under one. One.
- [66:14]
B
Yeah.
- [66:14]
A
One.
- [66:14]
C
Yeah.
- [66:16]
A
But we're very excited about that. I think it's a third governor that we've had, which is pretty awesome. So. But with that, guys, I think we have now gone well over an hour, so I think kind of wrap this up. But thank you to everybody who submitted questions and you know, yes, keeping them, keep submitting them. We'll do these every once in a while. You know, at some point it may just be a. A subscriber thing as a. As a benefit, but for now, it's for everybody. Also, guys, we're getting close to releasing our Find out media app. It is actually a social media app built off of the Fediverse and the AT protocol, which if you know anything about that, you know more than I do already. But essentially a place that is not owned by any one person, so nobody can control what we do in there. We are actually have a wait list that we have created, so I'll put it in the show notes to check that out and you can get a little bit early access, but I think we're probably two or three weeks away from that. So we're in testing and it looks great. So we're really excited about that. And then also, guys, don't forget, you can always buy the Find out podcast merchandise. And I actually have a day where I've got the sweatshirt on and the T shirt. Exactly. So to show off both specifically for this. And we are going to be adding more merch soon, we promise. We keep talking about it, but. But guys, running a media company with four shows is kind of hard. So some stuff's kind it. We're taking it as it comes. But anyways, thank you all again. Thank you everybody for listening. Hope you had a great weekend. Go check out Get Angry tomorrow and we will be back on Thursday with Governor J.B. pritzker. Bye, everybody.
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B
Bye.