How to Win Gen Z Men Back

Summary

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The Find Out Podcast

Episode: How to Win Gen Z Men Back

Date: October 16, 2025
Guest: Olivia Juliana, Gen Z activist and content creator

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Episode Overview

This episode dives into the political and cultural dynamics of Gen Z—particularly Gen Z men—and the challenges the left faces in reaching and winning them back in the era of Trump's second term. The hosts—Rich, Chris, Luke, and Andy—are joined by activist Olivia Juliana, who became famous after a public showdown with Matt Gaetz. The group analyzes recent scandals among young Republicans, the normalization of far-right rhetoric online, and how liberals can effectively communicate with (and reclaim) young men who may feel alienated from the left.

The tone is unapologetically irreverent, unfiltered, and darkly humorous, with an emphasis on authenticity and language that resonates with younger audiences.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Olivia Juliana's Origin Story and Matt Gaetz Conflict

• Timestamps: 01:21–07:36
• Olivia shares how she gained prominence after Matt Gaetz tried to body-shame her publicly and she used the backlash to raise $2.3 million for abortion funds.
• Quote:
  • "Judge me not by my friends, but my enemies...there are many. But Matt Gaetz is definitely the one that people know the most about." — Olivia Juliana (01:57)
• Olivia met Gaetz in person at the State of the Union, thanked him for helping raise abortion funds, and witnessed his frustration firsthand.
• Hosts highlight how right-wing attacks can be turned into fundraising and organizing opportunities.
• Memorable Moment:
  • "I just want to say thank you for helping me raise all that money for abortion." — Olivia Juliana (06:24)

2. Leaked Young Republicans Scandal on Telegram

• Timestamps: 08:51–12:35
• Politico obtained 28,000 leaked text messages from young Republican groups containing extreme racism, anti-Semitism, and open Hitler praise.
• Discussion on how this isn’t a fringe, but the “current Republican Party.”
• Quote: "They’re not the future of the Republican Party; they’re the current Republican Party." — Andy (10:48)
• Olivia and hosts emphasize that these behaviors are the norm among young Republican operatives, not the exception.
• Quote: "These guys are ugly losers... not talented... they have failed up." — Olivia Juliana (11:28)

3. How the Left Should Respond to Right-Wing Radicalization

• Timestamps: 13:37–21:43
• How to reach Gen Z men who’ve been sucked into or swayed by right-wing spaces.
• Olivia argues that mocking and 'bullying' extremists can be an effective tactic, especially when the right has used these tools for years.
• Economic messaging is essential: Identity/exposure scandals don’t matter much to young voters unless tied to the material stakes.
• Quotes:
  • "If we can't connect this to a clear economic message, then it's...not going to persuade voters in a particular way." — Olivia (15:14)
  • "Bullying works. Controversial opinion. As someone who has been bullied my entire life, I think I get a pass to say that." — Olivia (21:12)

4. Normalization and Dangers of Far-Right Online Radicalization

• Timestamps: 16:10–19:44
• Discussion of how Nazi and eliminationist rhetoric has become normalized in right-wing circles.
• Luke warns that what starts as ‘joking’ often migrates into deeply held beliefs and feeds real-world consequences.
• Quote:
  • "It starts off as a joke, and they start to internalize the joke... and reach a point where their goal is to cause human suffering." — Luke (17:50)
• Chris discusses the 'pipeline' from online shitposting to actual violence and the need for a reality check.

5. Language, Humor, and Meeting Young Men Where They Are

• Timestamps: 21:43–32:27
• How using humor, directness, and even ribbing are necessary for the left to be heard by disaffected young men.
• The group shares stories of using snark and sharp language to make connections (and sometimes even disarm right-wing figures like Milo Yiannopoulos).
• Quote:
  • "We are just speaking their language... You have to communicate the way that they communicate." — Chris (23:43)

6. Trolls, Personality, and Winning Back Gen Z Men

• Timestamps: 28:58–32:27
• Olivia describes her background, growing up with eight brothers, and how that’s shaped her fluency in “guy” humor and culture.
• The group agrees that overcoming the right's caricature of the "soft snowflake left" means showing you can hang, joke, and talk shit.
• Quote:
  • "There’s a bit of troll that lives in every teenager’s head... When you show, 'Oh no, I can hang,' suddenly they realize... you’re not one of those soft snowflake lefties." — Chris (31:05)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Raising Money off the Right's Attacks:
  "People loved it. It trended on Twitter, and, you know, within five days, we were able to raise $2.3 million... because of Matt Gaetz." — Olivia (05:18)

• On the Young Republican Scandal:
  "One of them said, 'I love Hitler'... Like this is, this is the rule, not the exception." — Olivia (10:10, 11:12)

• On Connection Versus Condemnation:
  "Mockery is the only thing you can do with that, because... when you are a Nazi and you are talking about... the master race and you look like some of the photos I saw..." — Rich (12:35)

• On Bullying as a Tool:
  "These Republicans... are getting a taste of their own medicine with the body-shaming and the photoshopping, the video editing. How does it taste? How does it feel?" — Olivia (21:12)

• On Building a Real Connection:
  "You use big boy words and big girl words... You have to communicate the way that they communicate. Otherwise they don't hear the message. They just hear a nerd from a university." — Chris (23:43)

• On Disarming Far-Right Figures:
  "Milo responded and said, 'It is really hard to hate you.' ...that is a line of communication that wouldn’t have existed if I hadn’t been a pushover." — Olivia (25:39)

• On Not Fitting the "Leftist Girl" Stereotype:
  "My hobbies are, Mondays and Fridays I watch RAW and SmackDown... on Sundays, I'm watching football...and I listen almost exclusively to 80s rock music." — Olivia (34:40)

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Key Timestamps for Reference

• 01:21–07:36: Olivia’s story of Matt Gaetz, viral moments, abortion fund success.
• 08:51–12:35: Deep-dive into the Young Republican Telegram scandal and what it means for the party.
• 13:37–15:20: How to effectively communicate with Gen Z men, why economic issues matter.
• 16:10–19:44: Far-right pipeline, radicalization, and normalization of extremist speech.
• 21:43–25:39: Bullying/roasting in politics; Olivia’s run-ins with Tim Pool and Milo Yiannopoulos.
• 28:58–35:13: Olivia’s background, how she relates to young men, and refusing to fit stereotypes.
• 32:27–36:50: Olivia’s sign-off, gratitude, and parting encouragement.

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Final Thoughts/Takeaways

• The left can and should use humor, resilience, and relatable cultural language—not just policy arguments—to reclaim young male voters.
• Public shaming and "bullying back" are, paradoxically, sometimes effective countermeasures, especially against extremists who deal in cruelty themselves.
• The far right isn’t just “trolling” or being edgy; their normalization of violence and hate is intentional and must be taken seriously.
• Gen Z isn’t monolithic: most young men are not truly ideologically rigid, and the fight is over culture, connection, and meeting people where they are—without ceding ground on core values.
• Authenticity, a thick skin, and the ability to laugh at yourself (and your enemies) are powerful political advantages.

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Transcript

[Olivia Juliana]

Foreign.

[Rich]

Hey, everybody, welcome back to the Find out podcast. We're coming to you on back to back days. I hope you enjoyed our conversation with Governor Newsom yesterday. And we thought it would be great to follow up with a great friend of the show, someone that we've all become friends with recently over the past few months, and that is content creator and Gen Z activist Olivia Juliana is here with us. Olivia, thank you for joining us.

[Olivia Juliana]

I mean, what a hell of a guest to follow up with. I got, I got, I got some big hair to fill. This is a. I mean, can anybody.

[Rich]

Can anybody compete with that? I mean, let's be honest. Like, he, you know, you know, he, he, he looked good yesterday. He even gave us a little. He was pulling his shirt down because Rich was making. Talking about some of the memes that, that have been featuring him and he was claiming that they were all real.

[Olivia Juliana]

This video has been released already.

[Chris]

Oh, yes.

[Olivia Juliana]

Just making sure. I can go find it later. So.

[Rich]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So anyways, yeah, this is like time.

[Luke]

To plug our YouTube and substack if you're not watching us. Those are your.

[Andy]

Andy.

[Rich]

Oh, I love it. I don't have to do all the promotion. It's great. Everybody is learning. It's wonderful. Well, Olivia, I, I want to give some context for people who may not know you yet. You have been in progressive liberal politics for a while now, even as a Gen Z person. One of the things that, where you, I think, originally came to prominence was a little battle you had with Matt Gates and is a good story about taking a terrible person and terrible things that they say and turning it into real positive change. So would you just share a little bit about this story?

[Olivia Juliana]

Yeah. You know, judge me not by my friends, but my enemies. And my enemies within the Republican Party are many. There are many. But Matt Gates is definitely the one that people know the most about. I've been doing reproductive freedom work since I was about 17, around the time that I started doing social media. And in 2022, I had started to get really involved because Texas was kind of one of the first states to pass a civil bounty abortion ban. And so even before Roe was overturned, we had really bad abortion restrictions going into place. And so I started talking about it a lot. I got a little bit of attention for it. And there was a story in the Washington Post about me and this Republican influencer and kind of the opposing sides of that. Well, the story came out and then I didn't really think there was much about it until I got a Text one day from one of my friends who said, I hope you know, Matt Gaetz is talking about you on Twitter right now. I was like, what are you talking about? And so a few weeks prior to this, Gates had gone and spoken at this Turning Point USA rally where he talked about, basically about how he thought, like, all abortion rights activists were ugly and short and fat and, you know, whatever, and how they were all like, 5, 3. Well, I tweeted at him and I was like, actually, you know, I'm. I'm 5 11, I'm 6, 4 in heels, and I wear them so small. Men, like you are reminded. And he ended up tweeting a photo of me from that Washington Post article in response to this. This, like, I think it was Newsmax or something, like, wrote an opinion piece about how, you know, Gates's opponents were sure to be offended by something he had said. So he used my photo, to. Which I. I was confused because, like, I guess I'm your political opponent. But it was. It was very clear that it was an attempt of Gates to. To, you know, body shame me and use me as clickbait for his audience or whatever. Right. The problem for Matt Gates is that I think he assumed because I was, you know, this very loud, vocal, you know, bisexual Latina liberal from Texas that I would have this very triggered emotional response to him. And I. I just quote, tweeted him because at the time I was 19, I was still a teenager. I just graduated high school, you know, and.

[Rich]

Well, he does. He does. He does.

[Luke]

Likes teenagers.

[Rich]

Yeah.

[Chris]

So you were too old for him.

[Olivia Juliana]

Well, so. So I quote, tweeted him and I said, look, I know you're into teenagers, but 19 is pushing it, don't you think? And from there, I just. I kind of had all this attention on me because people were like, oh, damn, like, she just called him an alleged pedophile. And this around the time, you know, Roe was overturned. So I just took this attention I had, and we started raising money for abortion funds, and it was me raising it in spite of Matt Gaetz, using him as the headline, posting memes about him. Like, me Photoshopped as, like, the undertaker standing behind him. People loved it. It trended on Twitter, and, you know, within five days, we were able to raise $2.3 million. Wow. Across the country because of Matt Gates. And that's the part of the story everyone knows where most people know. Most people know that part of the story. A lot of people don't know the second half of the story, which is that I Met Gates after this. Really? Yes, I did.

[Chris]

Congratulations.

[Olivia Juliana]

Thank you. I was. I was at the State of the Union in 2023. I was a guest of Congresswoman Nanette Barragan and me. After the. You know, the State of the Union was over, we came off the House floor. She took me down there, and she was like, we should just stand here and, you know, see what happens. And Matt Gaetz walked toward us, and she kind of, like, called him. She's like, matt, come here. So he comes over to us, and I can tell he doesn't know who I am at this moment, so I stick my hand out and I shake his hand, and he's, like, trying to introduce himself, and I'm like, I just want to say thank you for helping me raise all that money for abortion. And he just, like, dropped my hand. He was so pissed. He started mumbling stuff and was, like, walking down the hall. And I, like. I yelled after him, and I'm like, you're such a loser. Like, not realize, like, consciously realizing. I am surrounded by US Senators and members of Congress, one in particular who I won't name because I doubt he remembers this, but he was walking by, and he saw this interaction happen. He started cackling, laughing. He thought it was so funny. And. Yeah, you know, ever since then, I've just been. You know, I think I haunt his dreams. And ultimately, I get the last laugh here because I get to still work on the Hill, and Matt Gates is no longer a congressman.

[Luke]

Yeah. I love Matt Gaetz's inability to recognize people because I used to be a lobbyist. I used to, you know, walk around the Capitol a few times a week, and I used to always see him in. In the House buildings, and I would just be like, hey, Matt. And, like, wait for him to smile and wave, and I'd be like, go yourself. And I'm wearing a suit.

[Andy]

Right.

[Luke]

So he's, like, not expecting it. And it Every single time. Every single time, it caught him by surprise. And he was like.

[Andy]

Like, every day.

[Chris]

He still doesn't know he's the bad guy.

[Olivia Juliana]

Yeah, I'm sure. I'm sure it was the suit and not the fact that you're a white guy with a beard that controls.

[Luke]

Yeah.

[Chris]

The rope a dope right there.

[Rich]

I mean, honestly, I. That is. You have. You. That is the biggest contribution that Matt Gates will make to this country is what is raising all that money for reproductive health. And I think that's a fantastic thing for all of us to remember him for. And also the fact that now he is out of Congress and what is he like a Newsmax contributor? Like nonsense. He couldn't even get on Fox News. He couldn't even get. So like for those who don't know, that's the, that's the discount Newsmax, which Newsmax is the discount Fox News. So you can kind of see where he ended up landing. I mean, you know, it's crazy.

[Andy]

What.

[Rich]

He was basically the only person that Trump wanted in his cabinet that couldn't get through. And that's because all the Republicans hate Matt Gates too. So. But anyways, so, so, you know, obviously, Olivia, you are Gen Z, Luke, Jen Z as well. There was a big breaking news story yesterday that I want to get your thoughts on, which is a, is a really, really. It's both bad and hilarious in how stupid they were. But Politico got a hold of about 28,000 text messages on Telegram, which is a Russian text messaging service. Interesting choice of this signal.

[Andy]

Like the Defense Secretary.

[Rich]

Yeah, well, I mean, I think they were trying to support the homeland of Russia. Right. To use their platforms. But, but anyways, so they. What Politico uncovered were 28,000 text messages amongst all of these high ranking members of these young Republican groups, these official groups, talking about like opponents going to gas chambers, racist comments about black Americans and basically just gleefully talking about things that are very pro Hitler, which seems like a very weird thing to write down.

[Chris]

One of them said, I love hit.

[Rich]

One of them said, I love Hitler. One of them said, when we, when can we, yeah, when can we turn the gas chambers on?

[Chris]

One of them said I love Hitler. I mean, they're talking about going somebody, he was trying to get elected to something and he said everyone who votes know is going to the gas chamber. I mean, they talked about Jewish people, they talked about watermelon people, they used every homophobic and racist slur that there is. I mean this, it's, it's like the race to the bottom. This is a, this is a video game chat room is all. This is like, this is, this is the open mic night on, on a, on a video game, in a video game lobby when everyone's anonymous. I've seen this stuff for 25 years and I feel like I'm crazy when everyone's like, oh, it's just the fringe. I'm like, no, that's, that's 100% of them.

[Andy]

That's huge in the Republican Party. Like they're not the future of the Republican Party. They're the current Republican Party.

[Chris]

Right, right.

[Rich]

Well, what at Least one of them is a member of the Trump administration. At least one.

[Chris]

Or at least was or was.

[Rich]

I mean he's probably not in any.

[Chris]

They keep getting fired. More and more and more of them are getting fired.

[Andy]

It is always the ones you most.

[Chris]

Yeah, always.

[Olivia Juliana]

Well and like I, I know this type of guy. Like I don't know these guys specifically but like I, I know the young Republicans that are working in politics and like this is the rule, not the exception.

[Chris]

Yeah, right.

[Olivia Juliana]

They are, they are. It, it drives me crazy because I, I don't know, like, I get a lot of flack from the right. They try to paint me out to be this like caricature that they can use as a boogeyman for like, you know, young America. Whatever. I'm gonna say this and it's gonna sound really mean, but I really don't care. These guys are ugly losers. Like, yeah, they're, they're not particularly good looking, they're not particularly charming. I wouldn't say they're particularly talented. They are people who have failed up because like to be honest, the, the cool vibe like young Republicans that they're bragging about in like the New York magazine and they're bragging about having won back. Like those are people who are independent young people who swung to the right for this election. They're not the young people who are working in Republican politics. People who work in Republican politics are weird. They're weirdos. Not saying that we're not, but I'm saying at least we're self aware about the fact that we're weird. They think they're the cool kids, which is the saddest part of all of this.

[Rich]

Well, and I think the. I, I very, very rarely think that it is appropriate to make fun of somebody for how they look. But when you are a Nazi and you are talking about a mas that you are part of the master race and you look like some of the photos I saw. Like mockery is the only thing you can do with that because let's, let's just say this is.

[Andy]

And they're talking about how they other people should go to the gas chambers. They're garbage.

[Rich]

Yeah, there's no, I have no sympathy for them whatsoever. But it's good to hear you guys because I think a lot of older folks like myself, hopefully older but are worried about the swing that we saw of Gen Z voters in particular. Mostly men, not, not really, not more women. But the fact that so many of them swung. Right. Do you feel like, does this stuff matter to that Audience that sees like, these are the people we aligned ourselves with. Does it not matter? Like, how do we, how do we basically use this to our advantage and show these people that, you know, they, they made a mistake and that's okay, but now it's time to come with us.

[Olivia Juliana]

I think it's always trickier to, to, to attribute something to a party when it's coming from the people who work in the party and not necessarily the elected officials themselves.

[Chris]

Yeah.

[Olivia Juliana]

Like, I think all of this is extremely off putting. I think JD Vance's response to it was that is very off putting. Is he kind of, he brought up Jay Jones, you know, running for Attorney General in Virginia. Terrible comments. If I was a Virginia voter, I would be extremely confused and upset right now. But JD Vance brought it up and he said, I'm not worried about college group chats. I'm not going to join in on the pearl clutching. And the thing about Donald Trump that I think a lot of young men found very alluring. And I say this as somebody who despises the man. He can be very charming and very charismatic and very entertaining. J.D. vance is not, I often say, nobody's storming the Capitol for guyliner. Okay. Like, I think, I think like a lot of young guys will like look and listen to JD Vance and be like, you know, like, it's not, he's not particularly captivating. And like, they see these people and then they see JD Vance's response and like, I mean, maybe there's a way of like, is this really what I want to be a part of? But like the bottom line is elections are about, or at least for young people right now, elections are about economics. And if we can't connect this to a clear economic message, then it's, I don't think it's going to persuade voters in a particular way.

[Luke]

I think that one of the things that most people don't realize is that this has become so normalized that neo Nazis like this have been working on Capitol Hill for people like Paul Gosar and Marjorie Taylor Greene. And whether it was Kevin McCarthy in the past or Speaker Johnson now, none of the Republican leadership gives a shit. I mean, Marjorie Taylor Greene and Gosar both spoke at Nick Fuentes Nick Fuentes neo Nazi rally that they always have outside of CPAC like this, this is so normal that they don't kick these people out of, of House offices anymore.

[Andy]

Banner that said we are all domestic terrorists above it. Like this is the mainstream we're dealing with.

[Chris]

Well, they all, they all wore the lapel pins of AR15s after Sandy Hook, or not all of them, but like.

[Rich]

A lot of you. Wasn't that after Uvalde, but it was.

[Chris]

Also after Sandy Hook.

[Rich]

Well, they didn't do anything for that either.

[Chris]

A very long series of AR15 attacks, including ones where children died. And then after all of these things are culminating, they just say, you know, let's just be trolls on the floor of Congress. And they wear AR15 pins after all these people have lost their kids. No, there's a thing where it's like, it's like competitive. There's this competitive thing where they, they one up each other with like, how, how, how cancelable can you be? And so, you know when they say, like, well, it's just boys being boys and it's locker room talk, like, that's, that's where this is coming from. Because that, that kid's probably not in love with Hitler. He probably doesn't want, like, if, if you showed him, if you took him to Buchenwald and you walked him through where they had gas chambers and you showed him the places that they used to cart the corpses around, he would probably at least think about what he's talking about. But when you get these kids in these safe basement text exchanges at their mom's house, and they've never seen or felt or witnessed real trauma in their entire lives, it feels completely inconsequential. And I say this because I'm in a red state. I've lived with these literal, exact types of people my entire life. And they just don't care. They just don't care. They don't get it. They don't care. They don't. They think, well, I'm not hurting anybody. It's just a joke. It's just words.

[Luke]

I strong disagree on that. I mean, I, I live in Telegram and I'm with these people and I like get to know them pretty well. They do believe a lot of this shit. And it starts off as a joke. Like that is part of the radicalization pipeline. It starts off as a joke and they start to internal the joke and the hatred and the general lack of empathy for human suffering. And it does reach a point where their goal is to cause human suffering and it, and it can be as ugly as, as actual real world violence. So maybe not everybody in the chat was, you know, is an actual fucking Nazi, but there are probably a lot who probably are a lot who really do genuinely not just sympathize with this, but like, immerse themselves in visual depictions of violence. Like they, this, this is how mass shooters are made. Like, this gets normalized.

[Chris]

And, and I definitely don't mean to wash their hands of any of it. This, that's always where it, this is always where it starts. That is often and, and regularly where it finishes is some sort of atrocity. And, and there's real damage in what just happened. I mean, like, to, to the, to the world. Like, we have to all come to grips with the fact that there are hundreds of these people there across the country. I mean, they, they are actual active monsters right now. Whether they're physically hurting somebody or not is in the future or it's not in the future. So I don't certainly don't mean to pretend that this isn't a problem. It's a problem that I think a lot of these kids, they have a choice right now. Are you going to take an off ramp and not continue down that pipeline to become a monster, or are you just gonna, you know, double down and recommit and call yourself a victim? Like, you know, the President would do.

[Rich]

Well, I mean, the, the Vice President of the United States. Yeah, your Vice president just said that it's pearl clutching to be offended at horrific comments about gas chambers and murdering Jews.

[Andy]

Like, already started with the, with the. Well, this is not really that bad. I mean, one of the ones that got exposed is like, well, they use, they, you know, they did this in a back alley way that they wanted to expose me. He didn't apologize. He said it's, they used a bad way of getting it. You know, they hacked something.

[Chris]

Finding criminals or, or monsters has to be done ethically.

[Olivia Juliana]

Yeah, yeah. You know, like Matt Walsh was one of these people who tweeted about this and was like, you should, you know, personally reach out to someone if you have a problem with what they're saying. And you know, I, I responded by saying, I think the reason why so many of these Republicans are reacting like this is because they're worried that they're next.

[Chris]

Yep.

[Andy]

You said in groups what the young ones are doing. Think about what the old ones.

[Chris]

Oh my God, like, or have done. Yeah.

[Olivia Juliana]

Before the Internet, in group chats that you don't want us to know about. And you know, look, I, I have empathy for the reality of the situation that we're living in. And I understand, you know, young people can become radicalized because of, you know, a number of factors. Me personally, I choose to bully these people because I think they should be bullied. Like, I think bullying works. Controversial opinion. As someone who has been Bullied my entire life.

[Chris]

Right.

[Olivia Juliana]

I'm going to say I get a pass to say that. And, you know, for a lot of these young people, these Republicans, who, frankly, I think are getting a taste of their own medicine with the body shaming and the photoshopping, the video editing, how's it taste? How does it taste and how does it feel? Because I've been dealing with since I was 17, and if I can deal with it for five, six years and I don't crack under the pressure at all, and you guys crack after two or three days, tell me which party you think is weak and which one is strong.

[Rich]

Right, Right. Well, it's interesting you say that because I think, Luke, I want to get your thoughts on this. But like, you know, the. The older of us have always lived in a world in which, you know, I think we have. We have both been told and told people that. That going after or shaming people is just going to drive them further to the edges. And I think that, you know, for some demographics, that could be true. But, Luke, you know, talk a little bit about, like your sort of similar example with going after some of these vile people and actually the positive responses that you've gotten.

[Andy]

I mean, it's always been my belief that sometimes these motherfuckers are so entrenched in the bullshit that they believe that sometimes you have to grab a hold of them and go, look, you sack of. That dude is balls deep in a futon telling you about how it's not that bad to be a Nazi.

[Olivia Juliana]

Like, you can't be part of that.

[Andy]

Anymore, or you're a piece of.

[Rich]

And, you know, I've gotten a fair.

[Andy]

Amount of positive responses from that.

[Chris]

Well, yeah, I think so, Tim. I don't. I don't think of it so much as an age or generational thing. I think of it as a party thing. Because this is how those people communicate, and this is how they have always communicated. This is how they communicate with each other. If you look in that. In that, that text thread, many of the messages are at each other. They're calling each other these names because this is how they communicate. I mean, this is every locker room in every red state, in every high school, everywhere. All of the time. They viciously, viciously bully each other. I mean, that's where homophobic slurs are just every third word. And because for them, the worst thing you can be is weak and gay. And so they just berate each other. So we are just speaking their language. We're not using the homophobic and the racist and the sexist slurs. You use big boy words and big girl words. Big people words. Sorry, trying to, trying to say it correctly here. But you have to communicate the way that they communicate. Whether it's Gen Z or whether it's some old crusty bastard who's been racist his entire life. You don't say, well grandpa, that's a marginalized person. They'll say, quit being a pussy and then he'll slap you. And so you gotta, you gotta figure out how to break through that. You have to communicate with them back the way they communicate with each other. Otherwise they don't hear the message. They just hear a fucking nerd from a university.

[Olivia Juliana]

Well, it's funny, I can give you an example. I had a back and forth with Tim Pool bald last week. No offense Chris. No offense Chris.

[Chris]

I'm almost, I'm almost.

[Olivia Juliana]

For you. Tim Pool covers it up because he knows it doesn't work for him. I had a back and forth with him last week and he got mad because I, this is mean. I said, can't tell if this is you or Putin both bald. And he got mad and he said that he was like, I never commented on the way that you looked. And Milo Yiannopoulos jumped in the comments like he was like, I, I will. And then he added me and I responded and said if I wanted to have my looks insulted by a self denying gay man, I'd prefer it be Benny Johnson.

[Luke]

So many layers.

[Olivia Juliana]

Milo responded and said it is really hard to hate you. And then all of me and messaged me, oh really? Yes. And I, I spent a good 5 minutes, 5, 10 minutes chatting and I'm like, this is weird, but yeah, that is a line of communication that wouldn't have existed if I hadn't been a pushover.

[Chris]

Right.

[Rich]

So I do, I do want, I don't know if people know who that is. I think people know Tim Pool. Tim Pool was one of the guys last year that, that was actually accepting $400,000 per month from the Russian government though it went through us a series of LLCs. So the he and Benny Johnson and a couple others like oh, we didn't know we were getting what, what is that, $5 million a year or whatever from this random ass group. But Milo is somebody that has been around a lot longer and actually is somebody I, I believe, I believe that said that pedophilia was fine and that.

[Andy]

Was one of the.

[Rich]

Right.

[Luke]

Milo is like coming from the world that I study. So Milo Yiannopoulos used to Be an opinion writer for Breitbart back when Bright, when the alt right was a new thing. And, like, remember the tiki torch marchers? Like, that is who Milo is.

[Rich]

He's.

[Luke]

He's an alt right propagandist. He used to do what Charlie Kirk was famous, famous for. He would go to college campuses and say racist slurs and then generate, you know, clips and. And say, like, oh, Milo owns lib, right? He eventually got kicked out of the, like, far right politics or the right politics because he came and said on a podcast that he. He appreciated pedophile priests because they gave him a lot of opportunities to learn things when he was young.

[Rich]

Oh, God.

[Luke]

Right. So he endorsed pedophilia live on a podcast. And then he tried to come back in years, years later after kind of like disappearing, tried to come back in saying, oh, I've converted myself. I'm now a Catholic. So he's trying to, like, wrap himself around the Nick Fuentes brand of groipers to. To find a new way back in. And now that Charlie Kirk is. Is no longer. Milo has said he is going to step back in and start doing these college tours again.

[Rich]

Oh, great. Great.

[Olivia Juliana]

He's just insane. He's insane. Like, as I'm. As I'm talking to him, I'm just like. And like, I. By the way, if. If for some reason he ever posted these messages or whatever, that's fine with me because, like, I kind. I was kind of pissing on him the whole time. Like, he was like, he was like, you see, like, he was like, you see me? Because I, I did. I. Full disclosure, you know, I. When I was younger, I was on the precipice of falling into the alt right pipeline. When I was a kid, you know, I used to watch Milo and Candace, and I think his name was like, Paul Joseph Watson. Like, these are people.

[Rich]

Oh, that guy.

[Olivia Juliana]

I was like 12, 13 years old. And so with Milo, I was like, God. I said, you know, like, I used to watch your content and I. I learned how to be an insufferable bitch from the. And he was like, you see me?

[Luke]

And I was like, you are speaking his exact language.

[Olivia Juliana]

And I, like, I see you in the way that, you know, you drive past a car accident, you can't help but look like it's. And like, I'm saying these things to him, and it's just like, that's just how these people are. Like, they need to feel like, you know, it almost makes them feel like you're friends when you talk to Them like that.

[Chris]

That's how they talk to each other. That's how they talk to their friends.

[Olivia Juliana]

It works. I, I can't tell you how many times because, you know, I've gone to college campuses and I've organized and stuff in, you know, different states, and I get a lot of. I get a lot of from the right because they, they made up this whole rumor about, like, I was tapped to win back young men by the dnc. All bullshit. Not true. But it blew up and they put it on like Fox News, and it was on all of these right wing YouTube shows. But the core message that I said was, was completely true. And what I said is I was like, look, young men are not ideologically rigid, conservative. A lot of them are pro choice. They're cool with gay marriage. They supported the concept of Black Lives Matter, and they decided to attack me. Attack me, attack me. And Donald Trump Jr. Was one of them who was talking about me. And I responded and I was just like, you guys are, are. Because, like, you're trying to take away from the argument that I'm making here. And the argument that I'm making here is y' all don't actually give a. About young men. And you're going after me because you're worried that if enough people on the left, and maybe this time it's not from me, maybe it's from someone like Luke. If enough people on the left, especially young guys on the left, start saying the, that I'm saying you're worried that you're gonna lose these people that you think you have a lock on, because you know what I'm saying is true.

[Chris]

Yeah, I, I think it's so important to speak that language because they're. Especially the young. I was, I was 18. Not that long ago. 17, 18. Like, not that long ago. I'm 43, Tim. I'm not 150 years old, man. That's. That There's, There's a, There's a bit of troll that lives in every teenager's head. And if, when you find people who can't hang, who are so scared, so intimidated, like, sometimes you just say fuck as shock value just to see, like, you know, you at the mall or wherever you're at, and.

[Andy]

You do say.

[Chris]

Fuck for shock value sometimes, but. But that's completely normal. And so when you encounter somebody who is just, like, automatically everything else about them becomes annoying. And it's like, jesus, what's wrong with you? You can't even hear the word fuck. What else are you terrible at? What else is broken in your head? And so when you show, oh, no, I can hang, like, do you want to speak that language? You want to do that? We can do that. We can also talk about football. We can talk about whatever the hell you want. Violent video games, like action movies. Sure, all of those things. Nothing is going to shock me. Suddenly they realize, oh, well, you're not one of them. You're not one of those soft snowflake lefties. I'm like, you created that caricature in your head. Because really, we're all still just people, but we've let them sort of like this. This reaction to the text thread.

[Luke]

Don't.

[Chris]

The correct reaction is not. I'm so shocked. This is abhorrent. Everybody needs to condemn this. That's the academic. Like, that's the M response. The correct response is, a bunch of little losers got caught being little losers together, and now everybody knows, and a bunch of people are going to get fired and maybe they won't be fucking idiots next time. Then you can move on.

[Olivia Juliana]

And I, and I. I have to jump soon, so I'll leave. You know, my parting thought, I, you know, I think I. People don't give me enough credit for, like, actually understanding young men. And it's understandable because I'm not a man. You know, I get it. But I had eight brothers.

[Chris]

That'll do it.

[Andy]

Yeah.

[Olivia Juliana]

My parents, children's home and, you know, I had eight brothers who were not biologically mine, who I still consider brothers to this day. And, you know, I. I talk to them all the time, and I grew up around them. And, like, it's part of the reason why I feel like I have been able to be so effective, not just, you know, as a content creator on the left, but to be able to kind of broad reach out to people. Because, you know, I look around and I think, you know, who are prominent Gen Z Democratic figures on the left who are women who have the platform size that I have. There's not a lot of them. And it's because it's. It is really hard to deal with that level of scrutiny. You have to have a certain kind of mentality to be able to do it. That being said, Rich, I completely agree with you. And yes, I will continue to call Donald Trump Jr pussy. And also, I scored 144 points in my fantasy football game this past week.

[Chris]

That's good.

[Rich]

That's a big number.

[Olivia Juliana]

Thank you. Thank you, Kansas City Chiefs, because I have several of their players on my team. Yes. Including Harrison Butler. I am so sorry.

[Chris]

He's not even a good kicker anymore.

[Olivia Juliana]

I drafted the highest ranked people that I could in that position because I didn't give a. About him. I thought it was funny. Especially because if I do win, you know, God willing, I will make money off of him. And I think that that is poetic justice. Okay.

[Rich]

I could. I, I. I'll take it.

[Luke]

Oh, I'll take it. Well, Olivia, none of that makes any sense to me. I have no idea what. What just happened.

[Chris]

Zach. Zach loves football. Yeah, he. I'm bummed Zach wasn't. Isn't here today because he would have. He would.

[Andy]

Football.

[Rich]

Yeah, but we heard about the chiefs for, like, 20 minutes.

[Chris]

Oh, that's true.

[Olivia Juliana]

This is the thing. It's like, yes, I'm a young woman. I talk about that. People don't believe me. I'm like, I am 22 years old. I think people expect me to have this certain set of hobbies that I'm interested in. My hobbies are on Mondays and Friday nights, I watch Raw and SmackDown. I watch WWE. Oh, on Sundays, I'm watching football. And I listen almost exclusively outside of, like, female rapper Taylor Swift to 80s rock music, because in high school, I had a single dad, so, like, I.

[Chris]

Brothers.

[Olivia Juliana]

Well, parents divorce. Long story, but that's kind of like my. Those critical years are very much like a. Like, he was. She was a son. So it's. It's brought me to this point, but I think it helps me understand a lot of the stuff that we're dealing with. I'm grateful for the experience, and I'm grateful that there are wonderful men out there who have great belief systems, who use their platforms to advocate for good, including all of you. I think you're all wonderful, and you're great role models.

[Andy]

Thank you.

[Olivia Juliana]

And Luke. Luke, in the inevitable Democratic primary, we're running against each other for president. No hard feelings.

[Rich]

Joint ticket. Joint ticket. Come on.

[Olivia Juliana]

Well, someone's got to be the VP that comes in second in the primary.

[Andy]

Come on.

[Rich]

That's true. That's true.

[Olivia Juliana]

No hard feelings, Luke. But thank you all for letting me come on today. I appreciate it, and I will be happy to come back anytime.

[Rich]

Well, Olivia, thank you very much. And it's been so great to get to know you over the last few months, and really excited to stay friends and work and try to get this House and Senate back and also the presidency. And, Olivia, thank you very much. And everyone, if you're not following her, please go follow her. She is a great follow. We had some fun the other day. When she didn't realize that there are moose in the lower 48. And I'm from Maine, and we have a whole bunch. There may be an AI Video that I made of me riding a moose.

[Olivia Juliana]

I don't believe y'.

[Rich]

All. I. I tell you. I'm telling you, it is a real thing. But anyways, Olivia, I know you got to jump, so thank you very much, and, you know, we'll. We'll have you back very soon.

[Olivia Juliana]

Bye. All right. Bye. All right.

[Rich]

Oh, she's always a fun hang.

[Luke]

Yeah, she's fun.

[Rich]

Yeah, she's. She's. She's really good, so. Well, guys, this has been a big week for us. You know, we had the newsome. Olivia. The reaction to those have been really great. And, you know, I think. I think. I think we've. We've done pretty well for ourselves, so I don't think there's much else we need to talk about. But there is one. One more thing, guys, that we didn't talk about with the Newsom, and that was our merch. How good is.

[Chris]

And Luke didn't invite anyone to get.

[Rich]

And Luke didn't invite anyone to get. Do you want to do a gift? Do you want.

[Luke]

Do you have one Heard? I haven't gotten to watch the episode yet, but I heard that Luke was called an. By the.

[Rich]

Yes. Because Luke. That's a point of honor for me, actually, is. Your joke was great because. What was it? Did you not have any money in the budget for a Fortnite coach? Is that the.

[Andy]

That was the line.

[Rich]

Oh, that was pretty good. But, yeah, guys, we got to push that merch because, you know, people are buying it left and right, and someday we're going to see somebody on the street with one of our things. I. I do have one on. It's very hard to see. I have the. The five faces, but they're hidden today because it's a little cold in New York. Oh, there we go.

[Chris]

The OG I have a question.

[Rich]

Yes, Rich?

[Chris]

Last night, both of my kids begged four or five faces. Actually, my daughter said, I don't want five dudes on my. On my clothing when I go to school. So. So she wants. She wants the lemon tree or the apple tree, but my son very much wants the five faces hoodie to wear to school, but they both wear children's sizes, and we don't have children or young adult sizes on our website. So I'm curious, how many do kids do Our listeners. Kids want to wear podcast merch, or is that just a thing where I Need to just like go screen print some stuff for my own kids because I think it costs some money. Right, Chris? To add youth sizes.

[Luke]

So I don't believe that the print to order. We're not moving enough gear yet to do like an order of a thousand hoodies. So we're somewhat limited. I do think that one of the options are infant clothing.

[Chris]

But our.

[Luke]

Our stuff runs, I think, quite fitted. The hoodies are quite fitted. So a small might be good for. For a. A preteen, a teenager, I think.

[Chris]

I think my daughter could wear a small, but my son would definitely need like a 8, 10 or something.

[Luke]

Like you get him an extra large and call it a sleeping bag. Yeah, there you go.

[Chris]

That's actually the trend right now with Alpha. They are all wearing. They like, they just look like little early 90s kids. They all look like they listen to Nirvana. Kind of like Gen Z is a little bit like that.

[Rich]

Yeah.

[Chris]

What is the Nirvana super baggy clothes?

[Rich]

They all wear their Nirvana shirts. But is that because they know the band or they just like the shirt?

[Chris]

No, it's the 90s aesthetic. It's the grunge aesthetic, like Jinko jeans and baggies stuck dragging on the ground and hoodies that are like xl. My daughter's hoodies are routinely bigger than mine and she weighs like 100 pounds.

[Rich]

Can you. Can you tell your children that Find out was a cool band in the 90s and then maybe they'll buy all of our merchandise.

[Chris]

It was Alice in Chains, Nirvana super group.

[Rich]

Yes. Yes. I love it. Yes. All of our merchandise is made in America and is union printed. And you can get [e-mail] you can also subscribe to our substack or even to our YouTube, which this. The Substack is find out podcast.substack.com and then our YouTube is just at Find out Podcasts. So with that, guys, I think we're gonna wrap a great week, everybody. This kind of felt like a step forward for us into a new, bigger world, which is really, really exciting. And we just want to thank everybody for tuning in and supporting us along the way and just continue to do bigger and bigger things. And let's. Let's take that House and Senate back next year. So thank you everybody. Have a wonderful weekend and we will be back on Tuesday.