How We Got Here: Iran, Trump, and the Deal He Broke

Summary

The Find Out Podcast: Episode Summary

Title: How We Got Here: Iran, Trump, and the Deal He Broke
Release Date: June 24, 2025
Host/Authors: Find Out Podcast Team (Doug, Rich, Luke, Zach)

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Introduction

In this episode of The Find Out Podcast, the hosts delve deep into the ramifications of President Trump's recent decision to bomb Iran's nuclear facilities. Framed as a "sandwich" episode, they aim to balance positive news with the pressing and troubling developments surrounding U.S.-Iran relations.

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Initial News: Abrego Garcia's Release

The episode opens with breaking news about Kilmar Abrego Garcia:

• Doug [00:00]: Announces that a judge has ordered Abrego Garcia's release, citing insufficient evidence by the Trump administration.

• Rich [00:52]: Speculates, "I'm starting to think that maybe they just manufactured charges."

• Doug [01:10]: Expresses skepticism, noting past non-compliance with court orders: "I don't think he's been released yet. We'll see if they actually comply with a court order..."

• Roundtable Discussion [01:57 - 02:19]: The hosts discuss the potential personal trauma Abrego Garcia and his family might endure due to the legal battles, emphasizing accountability towards Trump.

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Trump's Airstrike on Iran's Nuclear Facilities

The core of the episode centers on President Trump's decision to bomb Iran:

• Doug [04:00]: States, "President Trump ordered three nuclear facilities to be hit in Iran with 30-ton bunker buster bombs."

• Luke [04:21]: Highlights uncertainty: "We haven't seen what Iran's response is yet."

• Rich [07:08]: Discusses the constitutional aspects of war powers, stating, "Article one... Congress owns funding... President has the sole responsibility to make those decisions."

• Zach [06:11]: Elaborates on the difference between Articles I and II of the Constitution regarding war declarations and military actions.

• Doug [09:32]: Critiques Trump's messaging: "He was immediately like, we had a great mission, now it's time for peace... it's a ridiculous fucking idea."

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Constitutional Debate: War Powers

A significant portion of the discussion revolves around the constitutional legitimacy of Trump's actions:

• Zach [06:12]: Explains, "Article one is about congressional approval for war, while Article two allows for special military operations."

• Rich [07:48]: Emphasizes the importance of congressional funding in war decisions: "No dollars can be used to fund war unless Congress has approved that."

• Doug [08:30]: Argues, "The President of the United States is a 34-time convicted felon who incited an insurrection on the US Capitol... this is not the way to win a messaging war."

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Democratic Response and Critique

The hosts critique the Democratic Party's reaction to Trump's airstrike:

• Doug [14:48]: Summarizes, "Donald Trump tore up that agreement and then we had to bomb Iran's enrichment of uranium."

• Zach [20:38]: Agrees, "100%."

• Doug [15:04]: Questions the Democrats' lack of a clear stance: "Why they're not doing that? ...some of them have a very pro-Israel stance."

• Rich [20:28]: Points out the Democratic disarray: "Democrats are in disarray. There's just no question about it."

• Zach [20:33]: Discusses internal party conflicts and pro-Israel influences affecting their stance on the Iran deal.

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Implications and Consequences of the Airstrike

The potential fallout from the airstrike is a major topic:

• Zach [10:23]: Offers a nuanced view: "This is Trump's opportunity to thread the needle... If he goes further, he got entrenched in a fucking war that he shouldn't be in."

• Doug [29:00]: References a New York Times report questioning the success of the bombing: "We don't know where the uranium is."

• Rich [28:26]: Explains economic pressures in the region: "There's a lot of vested interest among sort of the peer countries that all have that shared economic interest to not rock the boat."

• Zach [33:58]: Highlights economic impacts: "Tariffs are blowing up... oil prices are going to go up... a weird supply chain problem."

• Doug [34:14]: Emphasizes the strategic importance of the Strait of Hormuz: "20% of the world's oil goes through the Strait of Hormuz. So if you just shut that down, you've lost 20% of your supply."

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Misinformation and Media Coverage

The hosts address the spread of misinformation post-airstrike:

• Rich [34:31]: Discusses Trump's misleading statements: "He is now elevating to focus on social... did ever say that?"

• Doug [36:08]: Points out the disinformation, "It was the New York Times report last night that, that basically said what you guys are saying, which we actually don't know how successful this has been."

• Rich [35:10]: Critiques the accuracy of Trump's claims: "Business Insider... they've already debunked it... Russia signed the non-proliferation treaty."

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Personal Reflections and Positive Segment

In keeping with the "sandwich" format, the podcast concludes on a positive note with personal anecdotes:

• Rich [41:05]: Shares, "My kids' birthdays are both this week... It's a good reminder that most people just want to live normal lives."

• Luke [43:56]: Talks about a terrible movie experience: "I saw the worst movie of my life this weekend... 28 years later."

• Zach [47:14]: Reflects on family moments: "I was making my will this week... my daughter said, 'Do you need to see the other two?'"

• Doug [48:40]: Recommends a TV show: "We've been watching the fourth season of The Righteous Gemstones, and it is just the funniest shit that you could possibly..."

• Rich [49:08]: Ends with a heartwarming story about his daughter wanting to dance with both him and his wife.

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Notable Quotes

• Rich [00:52]: "Maybe they just manufactured charges."

• Doug [08:30]: "The President of the United States is a 34-time convicted felon who incited an insurrection on the US Capitol."

• Zach [10:23]: "This is Trump's opportunity to thread the needle... If he goes further, he got entrenched in a fucking war that he shouldn't be in."

• Rich [35:10]: "Business Insider has already debunked it... Russia signed the non-Proliferation Treaty."

• Zach [33:58]: "Tariffs are blowing up... oil prices are going to go up... a weird supply chain problem."

• Rich [41:05]: "Most people just want to live normal lives."

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Conclusion

The Find Out Podcast offers a critical and comprehensive analysis of President Trump's decision to strike Iran's nuclear facilities, examining the legal, political, and global implications. The hosts express skepticism towards both the administration's actions and the Democratic response, highlighting the complexities of U.S. foreign policy. Balancing the heavy discourse, they conclude with personal stories that emphasize the universal desire for normalcy amidst geopolitical turmoil.

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Transcript

[Doug]

Hey, everybody, and welcome back to the Find out podcast. We have had, obviously, a lot of news happen since we last talked, and it was actually Rich's idea that we are going to. This episode is going to be called what the experts refer to as a sandwich, which means we're going to put good stuff on one end, good stuff on the other end, and a whole pile of shit in the middle, which is, you guessed it, about the bombing of Iran and its nuclear facilities. So we're going to. Going to start off with some breaking news recording on Monday morning. So this will still be relatively fresh by the time you get this, but a judge has ordered that Kilmar Abrego Garcia needs to be released because the Trump administration has absolutely nothing on him. So good news there. I don't think he's been released yet. We'll see if they actually comply with a court order, which they have been known not to do. So we'll see on that.

[Rich]

Yeah, it turns out all of those human trafficking charges would have been physically impossible to actually pull off. So I'm starting to think. You guys stay with me here. But I'm starting to think that maybe they. They just manufactured charges to.

[Doug]

No, no, come on.

[Rich]

Hang on, hang on, hang on.

[Luke]

Don't be throwing accusations around willy nilly, Rich.

[Rich]

So they could bring him back and actually comply with the Supreme Court's orders. So, I mean, that's, That's a minor miracle that they, that they found a. Tuck their tail and bring him back so that they could, you know, charge him with stuff. And it's like, okay, well, those. I'm. It won't surprise me if after a few more months, it all just dissolves into the ether and Abreu Garcia just suffers this absolutely catastrophic trauma to his family that pulls him out of circulation for what, nine months probably at that point, subjects him to misery, maybe violence. Probably violence. And. And his kid didn't have a dad for the better part of the year.

[Luke]

But I thought we were talking about good things.

[Rich]

If we're lucky. Hey, Abreu Garcia is back. It's true. And if we're lucky, a dad will be back with his wife and his kid here, you know, and not too long in the future. All the rest is stuff that needs to be, you know, we need to keep the accountability on Trump for that. But, but I'll take. I'll take back a good person.

[Doug]

Remember when they said that there was no chance he was ever coming back?

[Zach]

Yep.

[Luke]

He was never touching us again.

[Doug]

No. Not coming back.

[Rich]

Do bring him back. They'll just deport him again.

[Doug]

Yeah. So I think that the reason, Luke, that this is good news is obviously that the checks and balances still work some. I mean, as Katie Fang when came on our show a few weeks ago, she actually highlighted this fact that, that the, the courts have actually done a pretty good, not great, but pretty good job of making the Trump administration actually just do illegal, like legal things for the most part. Not entirely.

[Rich]

And I think that's a really important thing to remember for listeners and for just people on social, like the whole, like this country is fogged and every. Everything is screwed and like we're never going to have democracy again. Judges are also humans. And like all of the people in the administration, like, they're barely human, but they're still humans. They, they, they.

[Luke]

I don't know about Stephen Miller, Doug.

[Rich]

I don't think they are susceptible to the public. The trend of the topic. Like if, if we all just say everything is screwed, they're going to go, all right, they've all given up.

[Luke]

No compliance. No, no pre. Comply in advance.

[Rich]

Right, exactly. And we kind of, we said that for a while, like that was a common thing to hear, was like don't comply in advance and don't obey in advance. But feels like we kind of forgot that for a minute and now we're just kind of going back to the whole, like, well, it's World War Three.

[Doug]

Well, speak. Well, well, that's a perfect, that's a perfect transition. So obviously we all know this weekend that President Trump ordered three nuclear facilities to be hit in Iran with those. I think they're 30 ton bunker buster bombs.

[Luke]

Yep.

[Doug]

He came out and declared complete and total success, which we have learned now that is not true. Uh, but obviously, you know, this throws the world into, into turmoil. We haven't seen what Iran's response is yet. And we are kind of in a cluster because we have people leading a war that nobody trusts.

[Luke]

So don't forget, he doesn't want to talk to his, like, you know, Pete Hegseth, he doesn't want to talk to him. You know, the, the experts that he appointed doesn't want any part of their intelligence.

[Doug]

No intelligence? What's that?

[Zach]

Yeah, yeah. I mean, yeah, not that Hegseth is.

[Luke]

Some kind of a genius, but like you would think you'd maybe want the intelligence that goes whole branch of the government.

[Rich]

I think Rubio said it's irrelevant when they were like, what he said it's irrelevant. And then, and then Vance, I think it was Vance who Said, the difference is all of the other presidents from the last 20 years were stupid. Like, that's their. That's their God. I'm like, dude, just don't say anything that. That I. I wouldn't have gotten. Like, I wouldn't have gotten it that poorly if I had just manufactured in my brain their excuses. But to come out and say that the intelligence is irrelevant, and Obama and Trump the first time, and Biden and George W. Bush were all just stupid. And that's why we didn't have. Like, you. It was literally. The 2015 agreement was literally torn out by Trump. So once again, the reason why we're in this is because of something Trump did in the past.

[Luke]

Yeah.

[Doug]

So let's. So let's dive into that, because I think that, you know, obviously everybody's talking about this, but I want to. I think we need to talk specifically about the Democratic response to this, which I think is easily summed up as chaotic all over the place, not coherent.

[Rich]

Incoherent. Yeah.

[Luke]

Gibberish.

[Zach]

And like, scare. Like, just scared people saying nonsense. That's how I would describe it.

[Rich]

I think feckless was a word that Romney used at one point, and I was like, oh. Or no, I think it was J.D. van or Mike Pence, I think was the first person I heard. Feckless. I'm like, dude, like, this. It's a breach of protocol. I can't do that.

[Zach]

It's unconstitutional. It's like, it's not.

[Luke]

Hey, yeah, you're allowed to.

[Zach]

That's the thing. Like, I've seen that from. Like, it'd be one thing if it's like regular Democrats saying it's fucking senators and shit. Like, Elizabeth Warren tweeted, this is unconstitutional. It's like, dude, it is not. Like, there have been every single president in the last, what, 30 years has done this exact thing, like, not striking Iran specifically, but deciding that they can use Article 2 to make specific decisions about what kind of. Because just so listeners know, there's a critical difference between Article 1 and Article 2 of the Constitution. Article 1 is what states to go to war, you have to be able to get congressional approval. But Article two. Right. But Article two is pretty much a statement that says, if you have special military operations, there's specific decisions you want to make that don't amount to war, quote, unquote. The President has the sole responsibility to make those decisions. So you have to. The really, like, the legal central point is how do you define war? And that is extremely open to interpretation. So that's why people get away with this shit.

[Rich]

I think the big piece is funding. Congress owns funding and I think it's Article one that says that no, no dollars can be used to fund war unless Congress has approved that. And so, you know, if, if within the working budget they can drop bombs. I mean, we're not talking about an invasion and we're not talking about ongoing. Like necessarily if it got to that, they would either need what. What Bush got, which was authorization of for or authorization of force. Right. Is what they called it, I think. Or a declaration of war. But we haven't actually declared war on anyone since Japan and, and Germany. So.

[Zach]

Right.

[Rich]

Everything in. And I don't think we declared war against Italy, which was still part of the, part of the, I don't know, Axis.

[Zach]

Yeah.

[Rich]

And so, you know, Vietnam, the Korean War, the Gulf War, Afghanistan, Iraq. We never declared war in any of these situations. Every, every one of these was. They were funded by Congress and then the decisions, the leadership was the president. And that's just kind of how we've. So unless you were freaking out about Obama doing unconstitutional things for eight years engaged in the Middle east, you should not try to use the same argument against, against.

[Luke]

You can be against it without calling it unconstitutional.

[Zach]

Exactly.

[Rich]

Don't point at the rulebook. That's just, it's just a.

[Luke]

Well, the rulebook is, yeah, you can do this.

[Doug]

Well, regardless, honestly, like that, that like tactic doesn't work in this country. We have no. The President of the United states is a 34 time convicted felon who incited an insurrection on the US Capitol. Like, this is not the way to win a messaging war. The rules I was telling you, love, Tim.

[Rich]

Don't want.

[Luke]

You want to know.

[Rich]

I don't want to rehash this.

[Luke]

You want to know what I think the messaging ought to be? You got to talk about how fucking stupid the Republican messaging has been. I mean, Vance was like, well, we're not declaring, we're not declaring war on Iran, just the Iran nuclear depot. That'd be like if the Japanese were like, yeah, we're not declaring war on the US we're just declaring war on the Pearl harbor aircraft carriers.

[Doug]

Right.

[Luke]

Like, so fucking stupid.

[Rich]

Changes everything.

[Luke]

Or like Trump, how he was immediately like, well, we had a great mission, now it's time for peace. That'd be like if the Japanese bombed the fuck out of Pearl harbor and were like, oh, time for peace. Like, it's just a, it's a ridiculous fucking idea.

[Zach]

It is a ridiculous thing. But like at the same time Though, like, this is where I like to get into the details of it. It's like, yes, Iran sees it as an act of war and we don't. Like, there's just two totally insular perspectives based on the circumstances. Because, like, Iran is pinned into a corner from this shit. And that's why they feel like it's an act of war against them. Because essentially they don't have a move here. They essentially either have to come to the table or make some really, really bad decisions to attack American interests. They don't have a good move. So for them, because they're push corner, they feel like, oh, this was an act of war because it us really hard. But the US and this move, frankly, put them, put us in a better position geopolitically, and it gave us more options. And it also gave Trump, like, that strong man status that he's looking for in the world. Like, hey, you don't come to the table, I will. You like that? As that's the reason why we don't see it as a declaration of war and they do, because it's just circumstantially so different for each country.

[Doug]

I think you're giving them too much credit. I think they're not calling it a declaration of war because if they called it a declaration of war, they would deconggressional approval.

[Zach]

Well, it is not an ongoing thing.

[Luke]

Trump's talking about regime change. Like, that's not.

[Zach]

But he's not actually actively pursuing it.

[Luke]

Like, I'm not pursuing it. I mean, he was like.

[Zach]

I didn't say we were.

[Luke]

Like, what if we need to make. Make Iran great again, I think is the word.

[Zach]

Yeah, I saw the truth. Whatever the tweet or whatever the fuck it is. Yeah. Myga, my primary news source is cnn. Usually when I'm looking at, like, major news networks and their headline was like, Trump considering regime change. Like, what? And I clicked into it and read his truth. Like, he is not. Like, there's no direct correlation between what he said and, like, actually pursuing. He pretty much said, like, their leadership clearly sucks. Wouldn't you want different leaders? Like, he's. Does not. I.

[Doug]

Until I see why not.

[Zach]

Yeah, but I mean, like. But what? Like, it's just Trump tweets that he had, you know, a weird poop. Like, he's just the kind of guy, like, he'll say anything, right?

[Rich]

Yeah, but that's the first thing this matter when he.

[Luke]

He fucking spelled his name wrong.

[Doug]

Don Donald, you know. You know he wrote that one.

[Zach]

Yeah.

[Doug]

I mean, I Think I, I mean, I agree. Zach, like, I mean, look like he's a bozo and he says bozo stuff, but like, this to me is also like lowering the bar so that he can jump over it like the media does all the time. It's like, well, Trump did it. And it's like, I don't think that the President should be graded on a curve, I think, you know, and maybe it's not great for media, like for clicks if you just say, well, he was just kidding. But like, no, I'm not trying to do that. You know, like, I mean, we, we, we violated, rightly or wrongly, we violated someone's airspace and destroyed something that was not ours. I mean, I don't know how anybody could look at that other than at least an act of aggression.

[Luke]

I mean, it's, it's only because we spend so much goddamn money on our military that they'd be foolish to hit back.

[Zach]

Well, yeah, I mean, but there's, but to me, it's such a layered thing. Like, there's so many levels to it where it's like, it's very hard for me just to look at it and go, well, this is a declaration of war. It's like I said it in our previous episode, we talked about this. I said, this is Trump's opportunity to thread the needle. So far he's done exactly that. Is that he really just wanted to like make a statement of like, hey, if you're not going to fucking negotiate on this nuclear deal, which he should never have left back in 2015, but this is where we're at today. If you're not going to come to the table, I will just fucking destroy your shit. And then after that go, look, I don't want a prolonged war. I don't want to like go in there and actively try to regime change. Maybe I'll root for it, but I don't want to do it. If he, so here's the thing. If he, if he starts to trend towards actually actively trying to change the regime or trying to put boots on the ground or going further, then he didn't thread the needle. Then he got entrenched in a fucking war that he shouldn't be in. But if he does what I think he's gonna do, cuz I called the fact that he would do this, and I think he's not gonna go further, cuz it's not smart. It's just bad for him across the board. His base will be pissed off. America will be uncomfortable. It's bad economically. Trump Wants this to be over. This was his real shot at like come back to the fucking table. I've had enough of this shit. And frankly I sort of support that general approach. I never thought he should have left the original deal. The original deal was pretty good. Wasn't great. But given the circumstances, having a nuclear Iran is worse to me than what we did. I think it's dangerous.

[Doug]

So let's go back, let's go back to the Democratic response here because I, I, I think it's important to talk about this and we kind of already started to basically all over their response but you know, we've seen everything from impeachment talk to support John Federman on course.

[Luke]

I didn't even have to know.

[Doug]

Yes. Yeah. And I bet some of them have offered some pretty milk toast responses to this too. All the way to a Democrat. No, I don't believe AOC over to, to impeachment. So we have the full range. Which again that's like every issue though. People like to joke about Democrats in disarray, but Democrats are in disarray. There's just no question about it. I have not come up with a coherent response to this even though I think it's very simple.

[Zach]

What's the simple. What, what is it?

[Doug]

The simple is. And I, I actually put this on Blue Sky. I was talking to the guys about this earlier so the, my most popular one I've skeet. I guess we call them and all. It was all.

[Zach]

Yeah, I didn't want to hear this.

[Luke]

That's awful taking that from ever.

[Doug]

But anyways, so I basically said all I want to hear out of Democrats is that Barack Obama got a deal with Iran and they stopped enriching uranium.

[Zach]

Yes.

[Doug]

Donald Trump tore up that agreement and then we had to bomb Iran's enrichment of uranium and put American lives in danger.

[Zach]

Correct. That's it. That's it. That is the correction.

[Doug]

I don't understand. Like I saw, you know, I saw members and I'm not gonna call anyone out individually, but I saw members and I see them putting out statements that are like five paragra drafts long. Why.

[Zach]

Right.

[Doug]

Why there's no. It doesn't matter.

[Zach]

Yeah, people don't give a. Yeah, just.

[Doug]

Like be against it. And you know I, it's very clear that Donald Trump put us in this situation like he did. Like yes, you can see that there are charts that like they, and these were vi. Vi verifiable that they had, they had only been enriching uranium up to 3% which every country is allowed to do they stopped? And then it. Recently it looks like they had gotten all the way to 60% and 90 is when you get to the nuclear grade. So Donald Trump created this mess.

[Zach]

Yes.

[Doug]

And now he is trying to get himself out of it.

[Zach]

That's a great point. But like, I think we need to clear, like, I want to clear up my perspective. I totally agree with all that. But now that we're in these circumstances, what was the best way to clean it up? I think that's the question we also have to be asking ourselves as a party is like, do we look at this and go, well, we don't think this is right. In a silo, like what do we think about a nuclear Iran? Just as, you know, in general, I'm curious about that question because when you add Trump in and all the things that come along with it, it gets a lot of baggage. Right, let's talk about just in a silo.

[Doug]

Right.

[Zach]

Do we feel comfortable with Iran having a nuclear weapon? Because that kind of is the central question of this whole thing.

[Doug]

No, but I will, I will. No, no, I am not comfortable with that. And I think most Americans are. I think the answer is no with that.

[Rich]

Yeah, well, and the world agrees with that because.

[Zach]

Correct.

[Rich]

The, the decision that the world made, what I think in 2003, was that no new countries can obtain nuclear weapons and no nuclear weapons can be bought or sold to another company through the, or to another country through the non proliferation Treaty. And so basically it's keep, don't make any more bombs, keep the bombs where they're at and decommission as many bombs as you possibly can because we need to just denuclear the whole world and that that's where we collectively as a species left off. Single person, including people like Vladimir Putin, understand that there is no way that this goes well. If you.

[Luke]

With nukes, it's over.

[Rich]

Could you imagine if Iran. Yeah. If Iran dropped something on, on Israel, I mean it would be.

[Doug]

They're over.

[Rich]

Yeah, everything's over.

[Zach]

That would be their target.

[Doug]

Yeah.

[Zach]

The world is over. No question.

[Rich]

I think, I think at some point, I think one or two or three would fly. And then probably, hopefully the people who have the most, the leaders who have the most would say, guys, like we might hit, we might be hitting critical mass here. Like, are we going to have 150 fly? Because then it's, it's nuclear Armageddon or it's done or do we pause here? So, like, I don't, I don't think that, but I Just, I don't think that's going to happen and we can't let it happen. That's the decision the world made. And so that's why Iran can't have a bomb. It's nothing about Iran necessarily for me.

[Doug]

Well, yeah, and I, I mean, I would say they have, they are a well known funder of international terrorism, which scares the, I mean, you know, but, but my problem is with this partially is because this is what happens when you have a government you don't trust and I'm talking about ours, when you have leaders that lie constantly and they have no problem, like bold face lie, like things that are like, we all know are false and they say them anyways. So like, you know, and it's the same with Bibi Netanyahu who has been saying for 25 years that two weeks away is two weeks away from a nuclear bomb. It's the same. And we have a horrible track record of telling the truth about war. If we go back to 2002 and 2003, you know, they've flat out lied.

[Zach]

Yes.

[Doug]

Like George W. Bush and team Dick Cheney and Donald Rumsfeld. Idiots row like they, they got us into a war that took 20 years. It's probably the greatest foreign policy disaster since Vietnam, no question. And so like, I don't know what to believe from them. I just don't.

[Zach]

And that's an interesting point.

[Doug]

That's the hard part here is like, I don't know if they have a, if they are close or not. So how can I even. Because you've already built this.

[Luke]

So how can I make this, how can I make this like, oh, this was the right thing to do if I don't even believe that the standard that, the fucking, that it was like that the, the reasoning for it was real. I understand that. That's how I feel too.

[Zach]

Yeah. I mean that, that I've seen that narrative a shit ton the past couple days of like, this is Iraq again. And like, that's one thing I just want to call out. Like, I think that a lot of the problem with the Democratic response, just like missing the details of like Iraq was a massive blunder because the whole thing was a lie. It's a flat out lie made up no actual functional information that was verified by anybody led to that decision other than this internal room that said just lie and go. Iran is different. Iran has made no secret of the fact that they're developing nuclear weapons. They have the intent and the ability to get there. There have been verified outside sources the UN included, that have verified they're doing this. It's a different situation. Iran, like, whether or not they're two weeks away or two years away, that I don't know. But they're working on it and they're trying to get there. Iraq, they weren't working on it. It didn't exist. It's a critically different thing. So to me, it's like, if we're gonna try to package it all together and go, Iraq, Iran's the same. It's like, it couldn't be more dissimilar. There's one side where it's made up and there's one where it's completely confirmed. That's a different story. So I think we have to operate within that realm. And remember, like, yeah, it's one thing to say, don't trust the government. The government's lying to you. Yeah, they did, and they still do. But to what extent? The extent's very different here. So I think that's a critical thing for public trust of Democrats. You can't come out there and say it's the same, because it just fucking isn't.

[Doug]

Oh, I don't think it's the same. But I think that putting the blame on Trump backing out of the deal is the right play to be making political.

[Zach]

100%. 100%.

[Doug]

And they're not doing that. And I've had people texting me this, too, because I posted that thing. I had multiple people write to me and say, why are they not doing this? And I don't have a good answer, other than you have some folks that are very pro Israel and so that they are going to be supportive of military intervention in Iran. But other than that, I like even those. Those folks, which should be like, well, we had a. We had a deal, even though there were some Democrats against the deal.

[Zach]

But, like, why?

[Doug]

Well, you can ask.

[Zach]

I don't know. It makes no sense.

[Doug]

Well, the answer is some of them who are pro Israel were not interested in a deal because Israel was very against the deal that was signed in 2015 or whenever.

[Zach]

Why would Israel be. Wouldn't they want Iran to be the nuclear power?

[Doug]

Because they didn't.

[Zach]

Because they didn't believe they'd adhere to.

[Doug]

It, but they did adhere to it. That was the important context. Like, the. The inspectors came in. Everybody, like, you know, I'm not saying they didn't do some bad, because they are a bad regime, and these are terrible people, don't get me wrong. But, like, they were holding up their end of the deal. And that leads me to the point, I think, Zach, which I will push back a little bit on this intervention is name the. I have one answer. I have one where this is true. Name one intervention where airstrikes solve the problem.

[Zach]

I mean, I can't. I'm not saying this solved. I don't think this solved the problem. I think this is. This was a tempo setting move from the Trump administration. This was essentially going, we're going to put a stake in the ground and go, this is how we're going to react to you from now on. Because I think what happened in the last five years with Iran was Iran got new leadership. The Biden administration tried to negotiate with them, and they were like, go fuck yourself. We're interested in building a nuclear weapon. And get out of my face. We're gonna do it. And then the Trump administration said, no, we're gonna come in with our huge dick and just. They're gonna come to the table with us and they're, no, we're not. We're gonna continue to develop a nuclear weapon. And then Trump said, all right, fuck it. We'll just actually have a show of force to go. You gotta stop. That's. I think their mindset. Whether or not it'll work, I have no fucking idea. But I believe to this day that's where they're at.

[Doug]

I don't know. I think also just to be clear, the leader has been the same for. In Iran for about 30 years. The Ayatollah is the one.

[Zach]

Yeah, no, I know, but like the actual sor.

[Doug]

Like, fake democracy thing. But it did turn out that apparently that. That. Well, the reason that they didn't do the talks that Trump wanted to was that the President couldn't actually get a hold of the Ayatollah because he was in hiding. Which kind of shows the amateurishness of this operation that he apparently. I don't know if he's communicating through carrier pigeon or what signal. I. Yeah, Signal. Yeah, Signal. The super Safe Signal app.

[Luke]

But also Whiskey leaks for not leaking this one. I thought it was coming.

[Doug]

Well, WikiLeak least wants us in this, but that's a whole other conversation. But anyways, the one I was gonna say whiskey. Okay, okay. The one that worked was Bosnia, Yugoslavia war in the 1990s with Bill Clinton.

[Luke]

Damn, it's like doing a podcast with an encyclopedia. Well, I wasn't even alive for this. I don't know.

[Doug]

I know, but I was alive.

[Luke]

Okay.

[Doug]

College. Well, basically, I mean, I don't. You're gonna make Me talk about this far more than I know. But basically there was a, after the, after the Berlin Wall fell, Yugoslavia, which was in Czechoslovakia, these big countries started to split apart because they were shoved together by the Soviet Union. And the, you know, the, the, the different demographics split up and there was a big war and I believe it was Bosnia. God, I'm gonna get killed on this because I'm gonna get it wrong. Was ethnically cleansing the people in Kosovo, which is a very, very tiny country, which was part of Bosnia, I believe, wanted their independence, doing horrible things, and Bill Clinton ordered airstrikes. We didn't lose a single life. We stopped it from happening and it actually mostly solved. Then we went after their leaders. Slobodan Milosevic was one. I'm forgetting the other guy that they found later, but who is, I think still in prison. But that was the one institute. But I just, my point is like Iran has now said that they are not going to negotiate.

[Luke]

Right?

[Doug]

So then that's what makes me think so what, so I guess the question is, is what does that mean? Right? What does. I don't negotiate. We are not going to negotiate because by threat of force.

[Zach]

Yeah.

[Doug]

What's, what is the next play that the Trump administration could play if they've taken the diplomacy card off the table?

[Rich]

I mean, we got to remember like every single person here, it's like, it's like over eavesdropping on the playground with a bunch of two year olds and they're like, you know, my dad has a nuclear weapon and the other one is like, my dad is the strongest man in the universe. And you're like, like they're all full of shit and they're all just lying to each other. So trying to, trying to. I mean, they've been saying death to America for like since I was born in Iran. Right. And so, and they're like, you know, this is going to be the end of the world and like we're going to bring, you know, I don't know, death and destruction, blah, blah, blah. They are a plus in just talking shit that they can't back up. And so, and, and that comes with being a national leader, a global leader, that, that comes with the job that Trump has and that all of the other developed nations, you have to be able to listen to fools say incorrect things and know when to address it and when not to address it. And I think that's, that's my biggest issue here is they've been saying this. I mean we, we've seen the graphic now that's like the odometer rolling over from Iraq, from Iraq to Iran. Like this was back in, in Bush, Bush years. That graphic was made because it felt like Bush was building the case to say, well, we didn't get him in, in Iraq, we didn't get him in Afghanistan. So now we're going to have to go after him in ir, chasing Islamic politicians essentially and programs everywhere and just bombing everyone. And so this has been at least a 15 to 20 year conversation where it's like, oh, well, Iran is evil and they want death to America and we have to go after them. And we never did because it was always a bluff. And so now we've taken the bait and we've spent. We haven't heard how much this cost, by the way. It's not cheap to drop 30 ton bombs on countries, it turns out. And we're going to find out that this cost 100 or $200 million, probably. And anything after that is also going to cost more money. It cost us $8 trillion to get in and out of the war on terror. That was the full tally. $8 trillion in debt, which was our entire national debt when we started the war on terror. So the rest of this is going to continue to play out. And that's where people have to decide, was this the time to do this thing? Was this the bluff to call? Or was this just a distraction because he's pissed off that nobody took his bait in the Los Angeles protests and allowed him to declare war on American.

[Luke]

People And nobody likes his budget bill.

[Zach]

Right.

[Rich]

I mean, nobody came to his birthday.

[Luke]

Parade and nobody came to his birthday parade.

[Zach]

A lot of those get his ass.

[Luke]

Handed to him in the courts.

[Zach]

That's true. I mean, the distraction element plays a role. But I think, like, in the end, unfortunately for us, Iran's going to dictate what happens next. You know, there's just, there's nothing. Whatever their response is, yeah, there's really nothing we can do. And I see only two paths. Right. Like the one path is Iran decides to be adversarial to this whole thing and really try to ratchet things up. And for them, the strategic imperative is that Trump doesn't want that. Trump is not interested in boots on the ground forcing him to do more things. He wants to get it and get out of that. Yeah. So Iran is like, I think that what they're weighing right now is do we do something and risk our own lives tremendously, but also fuck over Trump in a massive way, or do we just sort of slink into the background, you know, do tiny little things, but really their second option is kind of do nothing because they're not going to come to the table and negotiate, but they are potentially just going to slink out of this and hope nobody notices. And I think they do that, but who the hell knows?

[Doug]

I think what I was going to.

[Rich]

Say, I was worried for a few days there. I mean, I figured because the time, time zones are flipped, I figured we'd be waking up, you know, either Saturday or Sunday morning to like, you know, Iran retaliates, like Iran attacks American base or Iran attacks warships. And was it the Strait of Hormuz?

[Zach]

Right.

[Rich]

Like there's, I mean, we have a presence everywhere around there, but they also have an enormous amount of pressure economically because all of the nations in that vicinity that aren't Iran and Afghanistan and I don't really know where, how our relations are with Afghanistan, but we have a lot of allies and there's, and there are hundreds of billions of dollars that, that get pumped out of that, that area every, every day in energy. And so, so I think there's a lot of vested interest among sort of the peer countries that all have that shared economic interest to not rock the boat. And so if it doesn't look like we got their stockpiles, like, they're not showing like, leakage, like the radiation leakage that you would see if you hit enriched uranium. And so it's possible we took out the infrastructure and slowed down the program enough, but not, but didn't do so much damage that Iran is going to think we have to throw a haymaker now. Like we have to do the Hail Mary thing. Yeah, they move their, they might. Right? They moved it and they might say like, hey, we're, we're five years out now instead of two years or whatever. Right. And that's going to be a perpetual thing that we chase. I probably with these people for a long time.

[Doug]

There were, there was a New York Times report last night that, that basically said what you guys are saying, which we actually don't know how successful this has been.

[Zach]

Right.

[Doug]

Trump has already been caught in a lie and saying that it was a complete, complete success. And they basically. We don't know where the uranium is. Yeah, but, but like, as you guys also said, like the, the centrifuges. Yeah. Where's the 60 rich uranium? But, but the centrifuges are actually, and this was in the article, they're like welded to the floor. So you can't just like pick those up. So it's likely that if we, if those bombs were successful, it got that. But there's even photos and like there's a, there's another building that's next to the, the to where it looks like the bombs went in that was untouched. Now maybe we know what's in there and we weren't going to waste any time with it. Yeah, it does look kind of silly to see a building sitting, a large building that's picked up by a satellite. It's not touched.

[Zach]

Yeah.

[Doug]

But I think, you know, that this is, goes back to the credibility problem though is that I just don't know. And then you know, you know, well.

[Luke]

Thank God that we have like the best director of counterterrorism in the world now. Right? Like.

[Doug]

Oh, the 22 year old, the 22 year old gardener. Yeah. With no background.

[Luke]

No background.

[Zach]

Makes no sense.

[Doug]

This is like when George Bush put a, the guy who was in charge of the horse, the equestrian association in charge of FEMA during Katrina.

[Luke]

Yeah.

[Doug]

And by the way, I keep bringing up Bush because I want to remind folks, because people are always like, oh, I want to go back to those days. He was awful. And do not like Donald Trump is a worst domestic president. But Donald Trump, excuse me, but George Bush was a worst foreign policy president.

[Zach]

We'll see.

[Doug]

Now he's making a run for it. We'll see what happens.

[Zach]

Yeah, we'll see.

[Doug]

I don't know. He took a, he took a surplus, destroyed it, lied us into a war in Iraq, sent our economy into depression. And don't forget there were people who got arrested in his administration for doing illegal shit as well. So I am not getting, I think.

[Rich]

It'S important to remember that they're not, these are, these are not disconnected. Like he spent $8 trillion on a war on terror while ignoring robo signing and we don't have to get into the Great Recession, but while ignoring robo signing and the deregulation of banks and the runaway everything, all of the domestic. Right. 100 economic bubbles inflated while he was staring. I mean he wanted to find Osama bin Laden and he never did. And so he was, his entire focus for eight years was chasing Osama bin Laden and he ignored everything domestically. And that first January that, that Obama took office, we lost I think 900,000 jobs in one.

[Zach]

That was crazy.

[Rich]

Yeah, it was. Per month. And for, I think for six months we were losing like high six figure jobs, job counts every single month before the bleeding stop. So yes, George W. Bush caused a lot of problems. And let's not also Then lose the, lose sight of the fact that like what Trump is doing right now is going to cause him to not pay attention to things locally. You know, tariffs are blowing up.

[Doug]

But George Bush passed a massive tax cut for the rich. That torpedoed the economy. And then what saved the economy? Barack Obama coming and pumping a bunch of money into the economy. But anyways, that's all, you know, history. But like we're repeating ourselves.

[Zach]

Well, it's an interesting element of it though. Like we really talk about the economic effect of all this and it's gonna maybe be the most important thing of everything. I don't think the military side is gonna go much further than this. I really think it's gonna be about like, will Iran close the strait? And like that. I saw a story about that this morning of like the big challenge for them is they want to do it, but China doesn't want them to because China uses the same fucking spot and they need it. So like it becomes one of those. Yeah, they're really in it. Like Iran got really fucked by this move and like they don't have a really good set of, you know, response tactics. And it should be interesting. But the other thing that's interesting is like Trump, Trump's tariffs, it seemed like a lot of economists were coming out in the last few days being like, well, maybe they're not going to be as bad for the economy and that this is going to fuck that up for him. Like oil prices are going to go up. Unquestionably tariffs are going to have a greater impact because we're going to have a weird supply chain problem. If Iran does what we think they'll do. This could end up really fucking Trump over in a way that he may be miscalculated on. So it could be just non military fuck up.

[Doug]

For those who don't know, the, the 20% of the world's oil goes through the strait of hormones. So if you just shut that down down and you know you've lost 20% of your supply. And so you can do the math on what that's going to. And my guess is that because oil companies are awful, they're going to.

[Luke]

It will be a 20% increase.

[Doug]

Yeah, right. They're going to speculate and shoot 100. So might be a good time to buy an EV before.

[Rich]

Hey guys.

[Luke]

No, those tax credits are gone, aren't they? Yeah, EV credits, I believe so. I'm pretty sure. I think they're pretty good.

[Rich]

I know he threatened to get rid of them, but yeah, while we were While we, I think started to record Trump posted on Truth Social. Can I read it to you guys in real time?

[Zach]

Hearing that is like I am very nails on chalk. Okay, okay. What's the truth?

[Rich]

Stay with me here.

[Zach]

Yeah.

[Rich]

Did I hear former President Medvedev from Russia casually throwing around the N word nuclear and saying that he and other countries would supply nuclear warheads to Iran? Did he really say that or is it just a figment of my imagination? Let's all just post about this speculatively. By the way, did figment of my imagination. If he did say that and if confirmed, please let me know immediately who.

[Zach]

What. So many things wrong with this to.

[Doug]

Tell him that this isn't the whole thing.

[Rich]

The N word should not be treated so casually. He.

[Zach]

Holy shit.

[Rich]

Social media.

[Luke]

Jesus Christ.

[Rich]

I guess that's why Putin's the boss. By the way, if anyone thinks our hardware was great over the weekend, far and away the strongest and best equipment we have. 20 years advanced over the pack. It is is our nuclear submarines. They are the most powerful and lethal weapons ever built and just launched 30 tomahawks. All 30 hit their mark perfectly. So in addition to our great fighter pilots, thank you to the captain and the crew. So he covered a little bit of ground in that. But the core issue is that he is just openly asking the world to verify or invalidate the claim that the former president of Russia has offered to or suggested that people are going to supply branding.

[Zach]

The N word.

[Doug]

Apparently he actually was saying the N word word.

[Rich]

He's. He.

[Luke]

That sounds the N word.

[Zach]

The N word.

[Rich]

Yeah. Right. But he did put nuclear exclamation point in parentheses because, you know, he's got to do that.

[Luke]

What an awful, awful.

[Zach]

What a troll piece of.

[Rich]

So.

[Doug]

And that's.

[Luke]

There's. There's something I haven't seen talked about is that one of the people that was on that crew on the B2 that went to Iran was a woman. And I have seen him exclusively use the word boys in referring to who went. Which is such a thing to do, do.

[Zach]

Yeah.

[Luke]

And it's how he is every time. But I don't think it's talked about enough. It's terrible.

[Zach]

Yeah, I agree. That was like hard to. Hearing it read out loud is pain, dude. Like, it's. Reading it is one thing, but hearing it out loud is like, this guy is nuts.

[Luke]

He's not well.

[Zach]

It's so unhinged.

[Rich]

This is why I love sleeping so much. Because it's like time travel.

[Luke]

It's like time travel. Nothing can get Me there. Nothing can get me there.

[Rich]

It is. And if it does, you'll never know now, right?

[Luke]

Yep. Time travel, going out where there's no cell service. Both are great.

[Rich]

Yes.

[Doug]

Yes. Yeah. But then you wake up and you go, oh, God, I have to look at my phone now.

[Luke]

It's a trauma dump. It takes about 30 seconds. You're like, oh, it's less bad than I expected or worse than I expected.

[Doug]

So I think this. So I guess. Did Medvedev say that? Because I.

[Zach]

He did.

[Doug]

Okay, so he did say, I saw it days ago.

[Zach]

Yeah.

[Rich]

And yet. Well, but yeah. And now Trump is like. Did he say that?

[Zach]

Like, nobody's gonna lend Iran a nuke. It's insane.

[Doug]

Well.

[Rich]

And that's getting to the bottom of it real quick. I don't want people to hear this in panic. The Business Insider already has an article about it. I was distracted while we were yakking because this was happening. But they've already debunked it and they've said, like, I mean, Russia signed the non Proliferation Treaty. There are many, many, many layers of tactical reasons why it would be absolutely insane. Like, they can actually trace the signature of fissile material from attack. So if anybody did give it to them, they would either have to immediately use it or it would get taken away from them and it would be forcefully taken out of their hands. It would not be okay for Iran if they were to come upon. If they were to violate the treaty that the whole world has signed. So it's. And yet it's that Trump is now elevating to focused on social.

[Doug]

And let's. And let's be clear, Medvedev, even when he was president, he really wasn't in control. But I think maybe he's the prime minister now or something. But, like, that guy has shit talked on Twitter or wherever, like, for years. Oh, yeah, this is what.

[Zach]

He's a troll.

[Doug]

They. They pump their chests up and like, they're not doing. That's just like. Like you said, that is nonsense, but.

[Zach]

Never going to happen.

[Doug]

But this is why these interventions scare me so much, is because Donald Trump is unhinged. He's not a well man and he's a 79, whatever the hell he is. Which apparently used to be a problem that we had a president that old, but apparently now there's no problem with that. But, you know, that scares me. And then the other piece of this, that scares me. That. And then, you know, maybe we could go into something happier after this, but is that the Iranian regime is a Theocracy.

[Zach]

Right.

[Doug]

And that is the thing that scares me about escalation. Because if they get it in their head that this is their ticket to heaven or wherever to go all like, to go down in a blaze of glory, we all suffer for that. The Iranian people suffer for that. And it would be, you know, mass casualties in the Middle east, to be clear, because, yes, Zach and I did a live a couple nights ago and people were like, are we going to get hit in the United States? The answer to that is no. Highly, highly unlikely. And I don't want to hear about some stupid sleeper cells, which is really a mostly a racist dog whistle. Don't do it. Like, you know, it's, it's, they said.

[Zach]

It takes time to build a terrorist attack. Yeah.

[Doug]

So it's not going to be like they said. Of course they said it because they want to scare us. But like, come on.

[Zach]

So who said sleeper cell? Did anybody actually say it?

[Doug]

There's a report, an NBC report that said that they, that the Iranians took, told the U.S. i mean, it just said that also, they know that if they attack the American homeland and it goes back to them, you're done. They're, they're done. But that's the thing about the theocracy thing that scares me is that they do believe that the Ayatollah, I think, is the God's representative on earth.

[Zach]

Yes, yes.

[Doug]

And so if, you know, people do crazy when that comes into play. But anyways, we'll have to wait and see. We are, we are going to have a, an actual expert with us on Thursday's episode. I think we're gonna have Dan, Dan Perry, who used to be the bure chief for the AP in the Middle East. So he knows a lot about this, and so we're going to talk to him then. But I think we've kind of covered it here and because we did say we have a sandwich, which means we want to end with something positive, we're actually going to just talk about something positive that happened in our lives to end with something good. Because war sucks and I don't want.

[Rich]

To talk about it. I, I, I think the thing we did miss, though, we have to. And this is kind of part of the, the, what is it? The graham cracker. Whatever. Like, this is part of the end of the sandwich. But we never.

[Luke]

Graham cracker on a sandwich. What kind of sand? Which are you eating?

[Rich]

I'm thinking, like, for some reason.

[Zach]

That'S.

[Rich]

True, but it's brown. Anyway, it's fine. We never took A took a moment to make fun of Operation Midnight Hammer.

[Zach]

Oh, it's such a bad name.

[Rich]

It's a terrible name.

[Zach]

So bad.

[Rich]

When, when Melania heard that Trump was going to do something called Operation Midnight Hammer, she must have just been laughing her ass off. She's like, that's when to go hide thing that's ever happened. Just compensating. Just compensating.

[Luke]

What a terrible name.

[Zach]

It's like if they put like a prompt in the chat GPT of like what could we name this? It sounds super cool and it's like operation.

[Doug]

They probably did.

[Zach]

Yeah, probably.

[Luke]

It's not the only thing they're using AI for.

[Rich]

Ask it to. To first rule out anything that sounds like the name of an 80s porn.

[Zach]

It also doesn't make sense. What's the hammer like a hammer. It just hits the surface of something. You're trying to get a bunker buster deep into the. You need better words. It just makes think you're putting too.

[Luke]

Much thought into it.

[Zach]

If I was in that room, I'd be like, this makes no sense. No.

[Rich]

You know that Hegseth was like, we gotta call it that because they're getting. Yeah, I'm sure that's what, I'm sure that's, that's the extent of the conversation.

[Luke]

With a nice glass of scotch in his hand, several 12 of them.

[Doug]

Okay, we're gonna do the positive now. And so Rich, it was your idea, so you're gonna go first.

[Rich]

Yeah, no, I, I mean kind of relates to Iran because I was thinking my kids birthdays are both this week and we like, we spent a day with a bunch of my daughter's friends yesterday and we're going to have cake and stuff tonight and my son's birthday is on Wednesday and so like it's just a, it's a, this is a typically a very Fun Week. They're 8 and 12 this year and so like we've done this for now the past eight years where we've had a double birthday week and it's a lot of fun and, and at the same time it got me thinking about like there's just millions of people in Iran who are, who don't want any of this, who should be living their best lives and spending time with their kids doing the things that they want to do. And I, you know, is a good, is a good, good reminder that like not everybody's asking for this. Like we, the, we all just want to be regular people like doing, doing things with our family, eating and cooking and you know, Going to trampoline parks, whatever. So anyway, it is going to be a fun week for us because we are safely at home, very, very far from the. The trauma. But let's also not forget, not to get like, preachy, but let's not forget that this is what most people want, I think, around the world is just to be able to just do normal things. So don't get too hung up on. Like, everybody hates everybody and everybody wants misery. It's really a small handful of insecure leaders who want all the conflict and everybody else is just dealing with it.

[Doug]

Yeah. Luke, do you want to go next?

[Luke]

Sure. I saw the worst movie of my life this weekend.

[Rich]

The live action one?

[Luke]

No, I went and saw 28 years later.

[Rich]

Oh, no.

[Doug]

Oh, that's bad.

[Luke]

It should have been called 28 inches later because I saw a lot of zombie hammers in it. And this is. This is a movie that takes place.

[Rich]

Called it Operation Midnight Hammer.

[Zach]

Yeah, there you go.

[Luke]

This is a movie that takes place in Scotland. Scotland. It's supposed to be 28 years later after an infection takes over. That makes people go insane. That like they eat people. It's crazy. The whole thing was shot on an iPhone, literally. And they acted like that was something good. And it's probably the worst cinematography I've seen in my life. There's like. So their. Their choice of weaponry is a bow and arrow. And every time they hit a zombie with the bow and arrow, it does a 360cam on the zombie of the arrow here. Hitting.

[Rich]

So it's a video game.

[Luke]

It's like a video game. It's awful. And it ends. There are. Well, I'm not gonna spoil. But there are. There's ninjas in this movie in Scotland that are like Power Rangers.

[Doug]

What?

[Zach]

This sounds ridiculous.

[Luke]

It is the most great, the most ridiculous movie I've seen in my life. I followed it up with how to train your dragon, which was significantly better. Way better movie. But 28 years later is the worst movie I've seen in my life.

[Rich]

Was Killian Murphy in it?

[Luke]

No, it has. It has Aaron Taylor Johnson and it has the lady from Killing Eve. Who. And it has. No, not. Not Sandro, the other one.

[Doug]

Oh, I thought he was in it, though.

[Luke]

It's not. It's not Killian Murphy. It's Ray Fiends or Ray Fines.

[Doug]

Oh, guy. Okay.

[Luke]

Who does kill it?

[Rich]

He.

[Luke]

He does a really good job like that.

[Doug]

Well, he's.

[Luke]

Acting was not the issue.

[Zach]

Amazing actor.

[Luke]

It was the.

[Rich]

It was.

[Luke]

The SC is horrendous. Danny Boyle And I need to have words. Oh, man.

[Doug]

Because I thought I saw good reviews for it.

[Luke]

It has a 90% on rotten tomatoes. I don't understand. You saw that.

[Zach]

This is a hot take from you.

[Doug]

Have you seen the other two?

[Luke]

No.

[Doug]

Oh, well. But you didn't see the.

[Luke]

My sister. It was my sister. It was my sister's choice in movie. I asked, I was like, do I need to see the other two? She goes, no, it's off. It's on by its own. I said, okay, yeah. And then so we're. It's like we get like 10 minutes into the movie and she's like, yeah, this is not like the other two. And I was like, okay.

[Doug]

Because I would kind of say that's kind of like watching Return of the Jedi without watching a new see.

[Luke]

That's what I kind of like, I was worried about. But there really wasn't anything, like, that wasn't explained.

[Doug]

Okay.

[Rich]

I mean, 28 days later is one of the best horror movies.

[Doug]

So good. So good. A plus terrifying.

[Rich]

I. I'm still gonna see it, but now I'm looking at it, I'm like, okay, so don't. Don't bring the kids.

[Luke]

Don't. No, do not bring the kids.

[Doug]

Oh, I don't think it a 12.

[Rich]

Year old frontal if it's a zombie or like, is that a different category? Like zombie porn? Is that different?

[Luke]

Dude, there's. There's more than full frontal.

[Doug]

Oh, God. Okay. All right. We're talking about good stuff here.

[Luke]

So it was crazy.

[Rich]

It's got a 7.2 on IMDb. Like, it's not terrible.

[Zach]

Like, no, it's pretty good. I mean, you're giving it like a.

[Rich]

4.2 read, so I'm giving it like a D minus. We're going to have to revisit this.

[Doug]

I'm getting. I'm getting off this. Zach, you're next.

[Zach]

All right. Mine's. I mean, like, I live a super boring life outside of this stuff. Like, so I don't do a ton, but like, I don't know, I was just thinking about it as you guys were talking. Like, it's sort of like what Rich was saying. Like, you just. People just want to get up and just do regular things. And like, I think, you know, for me, once I get out of this whole realm, it's all focused on my daughter. Right. You know, she's four and she's at a point in life where like, she's just growing up so fast and like, little things keep getting so, like, she gets so much More advanced. And it's like, nuts. So I'm just appreciating those little moments. Like, she said, the fuck, dude? The funniest thing she's ever said. She. I was making my will this week. Cause I. You know, I'm old enough now with kids and things. I need to have a will. I make my will. And part of my will is, like, I want my wife to, like, keep my stuff until she's 18. Like, don't throw it out. I have a. Like, hey, don't throw my shit out. And we were arguing about that. And she's like, well, just ask Evie. Does Evie want this stuff? And Evie goes, no, I just want the money. And I was like, holy shit. What a fucking thing to say.

[Doug]

I love it.

[Zach]

I'm just enjoying these kinds of moments outside of the incredible.

[Doug]

Well, my go.

[Rich]

I got. I gotta. Just. Because you reminded me. Zach, I got a thing that I got to share with you that. That made my case, said, go ahead.

[Doug]

Okay. So I'm just. Well, I'm not gonna. I can't compete with that, but I'm gonna go to the movie TV side and just say I'm. We've been watching the fourth season of the Righteous Gemstones, and it is just the funniest shit that you could possibly.

[Zach]

Really.

[Doug]

If you like Danny McBride, you should watch it. The first season takes a little bit of time, but, man, it is hilarious. And I. There. There was a scene at a lake house. I'm not going to spoil it. That just had me actually laughing out loud, which is actually kind of hard. I don't. It's hard to watch, like, laugh, like. And I was dying. So. Danny McBride is a genius, and he makes deplorable people. Actually entertaining and hilarious. So I. I give him that.

[Zach]

So that sounds good.

[Doug]

That's mine. All right, Rich, what's your final thought before we wrap?

[Rich]

No, just. Cuz. And maybe we'll have to revisit this regularly, because kids do say the funniest. And there was a time when my daughter was watching Beauty and the Beast, and afterward, she's like, daddy, will you dance with me? Because, you know, there's the big scene at the end, and. And I was like, of course. And so we're dancing, and she. She goes, I get to be. I'll be the beauty, and you can be the beast. And. And then she looks at my wife, who's sitting on the couch, and she goes, and mom can be the horse. And my wife. My wife was just, like, catching strays. Like, what do I have.

[Zach]

I do.

[Luke]

What do you say?

[Doug]

Yeah. Well, on that note, I think that's a great time to wrap it up. So thank you guys, as always. Thank you, everyone, for listening. And if you get a chance, please subscribe to our substack. It helps defray costs and allow us to grow, which is findout podcast substack.com. also, don't forget to check out our merch@findout podcast.com and I think that's it, everybody. Thank you, and we'll see you again on Thursday. Stay safe out there, everyone.