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The Rights Weaponization of Charlie Kirk’s Death
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We still do not know the shooters motive, and yet conservatives have launched a campaign to blame the left. We dig into how reckless this is and what we can do to fight back.
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Foreign. Hey, everybody. Welcome back to the Find out podcast. You've got a trio today. With me is. It's Luke and Chris, and we are obviously going to continue to talk about the news around the assassination of Charlie Kirk. We. We now have. The shooter is now in custody. He is not cooperating. So information is not coming out a lot, which is allowing a lot of rumors to spread around and also, you know, starting to see the right do what they always do, which is casting blame on Democrats in the left, even though there was zero evidence of anyone doing anything. So what we want to do here is we want to dig into this a little bit more and, you know, be very clear that we are all horrified at the. At the murder of Charlie Kirk. But we also think it's important to tell you all who this person was because we're seeing a lot of people on the. On the right comparing him to, I don't know, mlk, who, by the way, Charlie Kirk didn't like and, you know, know, lionizing him. We're seeing moments of silence at, you know, at Dallas Cowboys games and a couple other stadiums this weekend. And I think people just don't know who this is. So we really need to. We really need to talk about it because it feels like it's spiraling a bit out of control and the right keeps pointing at us, but we're not really doing anything. So I think we need to dive into this a little bit. So we're going to do that. You know, we probably won't be super long today, but thought this was important context. As this conversation continues and shows no, no signs slowing down anytime soon. I think our next shows will go back to normal, but we really need to put this out there and then maybe we can start moving on. But, Chris, I want to go to you first. So obviously we've seen the right do what they always do, which is to blame Democrats, even though when you ask them for evidence, there's absolutely nothing. So what are. What have you seen? Like, we recorded, I think on. Actually we did do Wednesday night. So we did Wednesday night. So now there have been a few, four or five full days that have gone past. What are you seeing? Are you surprised? Not surprised. Where do we go from here?
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So this weekend, the governor of Utah, yeah, we did Wednesday night state where Charlie Kirk was murdered, came on to Meet the Press and said that the killer was radicalized by leftist ideology. He did not elaborate. He did not present any evidence, but he made the claim, and that was enough to end up in headlines. Major Major papers reported on that as fact. Talking heads on every television show that covers the news have repeated that.
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We.
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Do not know what, what the ideology of the shooter was. We do not know what the motivation was. I suspect that it is more likely than not that this shooter who murdered Charlie Kirk in cold blood was motivated by elements of what we normally consider the far right. Now the, the, the right, broadly speaking. The Fox News of the World have identified the alleged shooter's alleged partner as a trans woman who's beginning her transition into becoming a woman as evidence that the shooter is a leftist. But the crazy subculture that these incel gamer types come from hate women to the extent that some of them would prefer to be with a trans woman than a biological woman. That sounds crazy, but we should keep in mind that a crazy right wing trans woman just shot up a church not long ago because she was influenced by a neo Nazi cult that engages in pedophilia. That is the world we fucking live in today. That like everything that I just said sounded absurd as shit. But unfortunately the fringes of the Internet that have existed for, you know, a decade plus and really like have grown in the last decade plus are starting to spill over into the real world. These nihilistic fascists, anarchists, whatever you want to call them, these people who believe that the world must be more broken because they are personally miserable. That population has grown and we all have to deal with it. That is the reality that we live in.
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Yeah, it's funny because I saw a video this weekend basically saying what you were saying here, which is that in that groiper movement, which is the extreme right wing that is theoretically or loosely led by this guy, Nick Fuentes, do have a preference for, for trans women, which I, it was an interesting thing to hear. I think the, the thing that bothers me about this discourse is that the right has been trying to vilify trans people for years now. And actually as you pointed out last week in the, you know, the final words that Charlie Kirk was saying was spreading a false lie about the trans community. And so somehow that whole network of right wing commentators have basically told their folks that trans people are committing mass shootings at a crazy high rate. But when you do your research and you look what I found, and I think this is the standard that what people have been talking about is that of the last 4,000, 4,000 mass shootings, do you know how many have been committed by a trans person? Luke, you got it right.
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5.
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5. And when you factor in the amount of the US population that are trans. It's not even like, yup, that's what we would expect. It's lower than would be expected based on the amount of mass shootings that we have in this country and based on the, on the demographics of who commits them, which, by the way, guess who mostly commits mass shootings? Young white men. But they have convinced. They have convinced people that they don't. And I think how it's because of.
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C
People like Charlie Kirk.
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Yeah.
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Because he died while mischaracterizing statistics. The question he was asked prior to being shot was how many people, how many mass shootings were perpetrated by trans folks? And instead of answering the question like he knew the fucking answer, he said the words too many.
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Right?
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Instead of saying five, instead of saying this percent, he said too many. Because to people who don't know anything, all they hear is that it's them, it's the trans people, they're the ones doing it. And that's how it happens. That's how people have this idea.
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Well, and this is, this is, this was his trick in debating college. First of all, he was always debating college students. You know, this guy runs this like, multimillion dollar organization, chose his, like, everybody debate me, who's 20. And you know, like, he would. He was a master at deflection. Right. Too many. The answer too many is actually right. Right. Because one is too many. But when you don't put it in context, he's making you think it's ten, hundreds or thousands or whatever, that trans people are the boogeyman, instead of who mostly it is is white right leaning.
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Just like the guy who shot him.
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Right, so allegedly. Well, yeah, I think, I think they have a confession though. He's not, he's not cooperating with authorities, which honestly is making this situation worse because there's no information coming out.
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C
Supposed to be some information tomorrow.
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Well, by the. We're recording on Monday at 4:15 Eastern, so maybe tomorrow there'll be some more information that comes out. But, you know, I think what's really concerned me in all of this is just how angry everybody on the right is at Democrats. But yet when you ask them, okay, who is celebrating this death, they don't answer. And this is the quote, unquote, genius of the right is that they have figured out a way to make people feel things that are not real. They're just not right. Like they. There is no, like the majority of political violence in this country, the overwhelming majority of political violence which has been studied over and over again, is on the right. And I have asked several of my people that I've grown up with to just Google it. Just Google it. Don't take my word for it. They will not do it. Which, you know, Chris, you're kind of a. I mean, you are an expert in this world. Like, how do they do that? And like, how. What do we, what do we do about this? Because this is a, this is a. This is a tipping point. It feels like right now the country's on fire. Yeah.
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What do we do? The right. And, and I mean this all encompassingly, like the entire right. I'm not talking about the far right. I'm talking about people who lean right, libertarian types. They often use this phrase. And I think Ben Shapiro, like, really brought it to prominence was facts, don't care about your feelings. But if we hold up a mirror and we simply say, I am going to quote Charlie Kirk verbatim, and we say, you know, we give a racist or misogynist quote, People go, oh, that's in poor taste. You're not supposed to talk ill of the dead. No, I'm honoring.
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Or it's out of context.
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I'm honoring his message by. There's a reason simply repeating the words that the man said when he was alive.
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There's a reason that when they, when they, when they talked about them, when they covered him and they brought people on to talk about what a good person he was, and they all talked about these charming little anecdotes that have no proof. They never attached clips of tweets or clips of him talking or clips of him debating. None of that. It was all.
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We've seen virtually every talking head on cable television talking about how Charlie Kirk was a champion of free speech. The very opposite is true. Few people in mainstream cable television. I'm not going to condemn the entire media. Right. I feel like that's a little irresponsible. But most of the commentators that I see on cable television or journalists like Jake Tapper, someone who I know and respect, are going out and talking about Charlie Kirk. And Ezra Klein put in the pages of the New York Times about how Charlie Kirk was doing politics. Right? No. Charlie Kirk maintained a website for, for 10, over 10 years called the Professor Watch List, where without notice, professors anywhere in this country could end up on a list that would make them receive death threats, that their families would be intimidated. Families were. Were destroyed over the cost of being on Charlie Kirk's list. And what was the crime? It was the teachers were teaching about things like racism or anti. Racism or gender studies or feminism. They were teaching the history of the Civil War as it actually happened. Not through the lens of a prager u you propaganda video. Their only crime was, was keeping an engaged student body. But Charlie Kirk knew that he couldn't engage in a good faith discussion. He knew that if he engaged in a fair debate and he didn't use logical fallacies, he would always fucking lose. And that is why he put a hit list online that today has, I believe, well over 800 professors who are, who are simply there often because they are black or brown or a member of the LGBTQ community or a woman, or teach about any of those, any of those groups. That is the only reason that they were targeted, because Charlie Kirk decided that ruining their life was good business for him. That is who Charlie Kirk was in life.
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It was good business. He made millions of dollars doing it.
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Yeah.
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And he had right wing billionaires fund the entire thing. They just threw money at him because they knew that with bigoted policies, with, with an effort to shape culture, these billionaires are eventually going to get their tax breaks if they can whip people into a frenzy of fear and anger, which is what the Republican party is most effective at. And they just, they describe their campaign tactics this way. I'm not putting words in their mouth. That's how they say they motivate young white men. Liberty Lindsey Graham said that we're not producing enough angry white men in this country to keep Republicans in power. That's what he said after Obama.
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Right.
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That's who this party is and always has been. Long before fudgeing Trump was part of the picture. Oh, so, so Charlie Kirk facilitated that. He facilitated a machine that would generate ignorant, angry, aggrieved young white men which, yes, in the future would go on to vote for billionaires tax breaks, but also would break out the other way and start killing people. And we have had a bunch of mass shootings where these mass shooters credit their radicalization to Charlie Kirk and his, you know, his far right nemesis, Nick.
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Fuentes, who did he not like talking about that though?
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Yeah.
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And they were symbiote, right. Those, those two, you know, were enemies, they were competitors, but they were symbiotic because their project together was to drag the entire country. The right. And they, they were both moving in the same direction.
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Yeah, they did something interesting that I saw that because I, I thought for a minute that there would be this long, drawn out right wing response. And I think that's going to not happen. I think that in two weeks they'll have forgotten about him. And it's evident. I mean, Trump literally diverted from a question about how he felt about Charlie being dead to look at the ballroom. We've started construction of the ballroom. And Steven Crowder changed his Twitter bio from number two political right leaning podcast to number one political podcast, right wing leaning podcast.
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They don't give a fuck.
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They don't give a fuck.
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It wasn't even a day. I mean, it's similar. It was similar to Donald TRUMP On 9 11, the actual day, 9 11, 24 years ago, talking about how he now had the big. The tallest building in lower Manhattan. People were still jumping out of buildings. They had not. They. We thought there were like 30, 40,000 deaths at that point. And this was on TV bragging about having the tallest. He doesn't care about anybody ever. There's. I mean, if you can't have empathy on 9 11, right? Like, if you can't have empathy on 9 11. And like, I, I was in the. I believe I was on 701 Pennsylvania Avenue in 9 11. So, like, it, it hits a little differently for me, but, like, you watching, like, people jumping out of buildings, hitting people on the ground as well. And there's this famous photo of a. Of a chaplain, a very. That, that was near retirement. And there's a photo of, of them pulling this guy out because he had been killed by a. By a jumper. And Donald Trump is on TV talking about how tall. That he had the tallest.
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I have the second tallest one. Or I have the tallest.
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Yeah. And Crowder, these. All these people are the same. None of this is actually about the belief, their beliefs. It's all about power, and it's all about money. You know, there's an article in the Times today that talks about how Trump has essentially been enriching himself. He's gained about $3 billion in worth since he's been president. 3 billion. How did that happen?
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And the Trump family is at like 7.
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Yeah, yeah. And it's, it's, it's all of this stuff. I mean, in the first term, he made any foreign dignitaries that wanted to meet with him stay at Trump Hotel right across the street.
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People are not about the greater good. They're all about the greater grift. Look no further than the fucking give, send, go for Charlie's funeral.
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Fucking.
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Yeah.
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I mean, ridiculousness.
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Charlie was multi millionaire. Charlie was worth somewhere in the $12 to $15 million range. And they set up a GoFundMe.
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Like, I'm saying, like $5 million.
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Five. Right, right.
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It's Not a G. It's not a ghost. It's not a GoFundMe.
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Oh, it is a gift. And go, which is the favorite of the right. That's where that woman who shouted the N word at that, that the little child got like eight or nine hundred thousand dollars bills.
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Jubilee got all his money Y. Because they don't have rules there.
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So I want to say one thing that I thought was really funny this weekend. There is this woman, Molly Hemingway, who is a far. Is a right wing hack and she was on Fox or she was talking to somebody on Twitter and she was like, we need to push for 50% of all college professors conservative.
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I saw this. Yeah.
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Do you, do you know what that. Do you know what that would be? That would be dei the thing they don't want. Diversity, equity and inclusion, but not for thee. Somebody pointed it out to her. She goes, no, not like that. It's like you, these people just, they're.
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This close to the point.
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Well, but also like they just live in hypocrisy because they know there's no, there are no consequences because they have managed to convince 40% of the population that whatever they say is right and whatever we say is wrong. Let's.
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Let's talk about consequences. So in just the last few hours, J.D. vance, the Vice President of the United States was a guest host on Charlie.
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Kirk's show where he admitted to yelling at his wife and says that good husbands do that. Which, which, yep, he said, yeah, I saw that. In between we had.
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Yeah.
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Vance said that he could not admit. He could not say that he had never raised his wife at. Raised his voice at his wife and that even good husbands do that.
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I mean, I, I just don't raise my voice ever. This quite a stance to take.
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Just like Trump saying that, you know, domestic violence is not really a crime. You know, if we, if we brought cops to. Every time the hus. Wife called the cops on a husband, it would be crazy.
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People.
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So while, while that guy had, you know, discount Goebbels. Jeff Miller up. Not Jeff Miller. Sorry, Steven. Steve Miller.
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Stephen Miller.
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As, as a guest on Charlie Kirk's show, they talked about how they are going to persecute the left. They described the left broadly Democrats, leftists, liberals, as a domestic terrorist organization. And we are about to feel the consequences of. Of November's election in that we, the. The three of us co hosts are very likely to be individually targeted. I as the leader of, of two nonprofits which are focused on tracking like swastika flying Neo Nazis. I am, I am on, you know, I know I'm on the list. I've. I've been, you know, targeted by the Daily Caller, which is, which was started by Tucker Carlson. I've been targeted by, you know, people who currently work in senior, you know, Deputy Secretary levels of, of the State Department. The shit's about to get real, guys.
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Like, it's.
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The. The hurt is fucking coming. And the reason is because Democrats didn't learn that we need to associate negative behavior with costs. That, that is, you know, the, the fact that we had a felon run for president and win a free and fair election while he was very clearly guilty of inciting an insurrection that resulted in several deaths.
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That.
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That is crazy. That is crazy that Democrats were just like, you know, not gonna look at history. Not gon like Hitler and the failed beer hall push where they tried to take over Germany the first time, but the Nazis failed, so they all went to jail and then they came back and they took over the fucking country and then the Holocaust happened. Democrats were like, history never rhymes. We're not going to learn from it at all. Fuck it. Let's just let this fucking monster just do whatever the fuck he wants. Raise billions of dollars, engage in wanton corruption so that he can get into power, dismantle our democracy from the inside, rip up the Constitution and persecute Americans for their political beliefs.
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Well, we did have MSNBC fire Matthew Dowd. Yeah.
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And they just fired the lady.
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And then they fired Karen from Washington Post for accurately pointing out that Charlie Kirk was not a good guy. Yeah.
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And meanwhile, you know, Fox News host Brian Kilmeade. Is that the one? Yeah, he, he advocated for, quote, involuntary lethal injection, AKA mass murder. People who are unhoused.
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He added that to that. Just kill him.
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Yeah, just kill him.
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Like, what is, what is hypocrisy is, Is never going to surprise me.
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Right.
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I've said it before, but I'm pretty sure we might just be in the ninth circle of hell. I think. I think whatever I did in the past life, I really around because. Hell yeah.
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Yeah.
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I, you know, like the Fox News. The whole empire of Fox News is based on this faux patriotism where they are so sensitive to, like Colin Kaepernick. Kneeling was. Was the worst thing in the fucking world. Right. Disrespect. Any perceived disrespect towards troops or veterans, disrespect towards the Commander in chief, Donald Trump, who's, Who's a, you know.
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But those things don't overlap, though, because Commander in chief is allowed to make fun of the armed forces. He could call them suckers and losers and anybody who got captured is a loser. And then he's allowed me that comes.
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On and talks about just murdering all of the homeless people in the United States. Like, you know, there's, there's like a significant percentage, not the majority or anything like that, but a significant percentage of the homeless population in the United States are veterans.
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Right.
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Who, who like our country has failed. So Brian Kilmeade is on Fox News on one of their biggest shows. He is one of their biggest stars.
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The White House hiring pool.
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Yeah, dude, dude is is advocating for genocide against American veterans. And the Fox News audience, again, I should never be surprised by their hypocrisy. The Fox News audience is just like, fuck all veterans. Brian Kilmeade says, fuck vets. I hate vets.
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Now the other two co hosts, I watched the clip earlier today. They did not, they didn't even flinch. Like it was like. But, but don't. But don't say that Charlie Kirk had abhorrent views. Like, and I think this is a good moment I want to read because I don't think again, we, I think we know a lot of people don't know Charlie Kirk. So I want to read some comments that he made. These are in the Guardian, so you know where I'm getting them from. And they're all sourced on race. If I see a black pilot, I'm going to be like, boy, I hope he's qualified. That's one. If you're a wnba, pot smoking, black lesbian, do you get treated better than a United States Marine? Here's a good one. Happening all the time in urban America. Prowling blacks go around for fun to go target white people. That's a fact. It's happening more and more happened. Here's another great one. If I'm dealing with somebody in customer service who's a moronic black woman, I wonder if she's there because of her excellence or if she's there because of affirmative action. That is just a couple. And then also he said of gay people in response to YouTuber Ms. Rachel, which you have children, you know who Ms. Rachel is for quoting love your neighbor to defend Celebrating Pride month, Charlie Kirk quoted a Bible verse used to justify stoning gay people to death. Kirk called the stoning verse God's perfect law when it comes to sexual matters. The guy was a racist, misogynistic, transphobic.
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Put any. And he was there. Any is at the beginning. He was there.
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Yep.
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Racist misogynist.
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Yeah, yeah. And we have, I, I, I was taken a little back aback by the sheer number of people who were defending him. I heard people this weekend calling him a good Christian, which I guess from the event I thought I'm gonna tattoo.
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A cross on my forehead and just, and, and I'll I guess be able to do anything.
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You are immune.
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That's it. I'm, I'm immune.
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I think there is something to be said that I have come in to come across a couple people in day to day life after this happened who had no idea about any of that. They had never seen any of those videos. They'd never seen any of, they'd seen clips of him talking at commencement speeches where he talks about glory to God and blah blah, blah. And clips of him talking about how well if you just, if you value God and you go through life, things will work out for you. And I think it's really important to point that out because there are people that just did not know and it's the way the media is, I guess. But like not everybody was buying into him because he was that way.
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No, but, but I do think that.
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Yeah, it's vital to point out that.
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That'S what it is. Well, I had one person on my feed say I think he's a good Christian, he was a good family man. And don't bother putting any of these quotes in here because those people can get right. I mean like it's like, I mean look, it is the, you know, there is elements of white supremacy in this right. If you are a white male in certain segments of the United States, you can do whatever you want and you're seeing that is a lot of what we're seeing. Some of it's like you said, look like people just didn't know and that's fair. But the people who did know, they're just you, you white men are allowed to do whatever they want. Black people, trans people, brown people, anyone else. We are going to hold you to a higher standard than we hold white men. And that's the one by the way, the entire for debate.
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Because a white man has never lost a right in this country since its inception and now everything else is up for debate.
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So like, well did, did you see that they want to propose allowing Marco Rubio to basically take away people's visas if they said negative things about Charlie.
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Kirk or if they're pro Palestine or if they're.
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Now I thought these were the constitution loving guys, Constitutional, fundamentalist, free speech lovers. Right until it's against them. Yeah, right. There was no issue with making fun of former Speaker Hortman's murder or Joe Biden cancer diagnosis. Joe Pelosi, Paul Pelosi. Charlie Kirk said of that that any good red blooded American would bail out the guy who smashed him in the head with a hammer. So when I hear all these people saying, oh, you know, like, you guys are monsters for talking about Charlie Kirk, I'm like, well, why was that? Okay, why that? Paul Pelosi was lucky he didn't die or suffer severe brain injury. He got hit in the head with a hammer because of what the right has been. But like vilifying Nancy Pelosi, who's by far the best speaker that we've had in 50, 60, 70 years, like, they vilified her because she was a liberal woman from San Francisco. And so it was like the perfect villain for them. And then some crazy guy goes in with a fucking hammer when she's not even home, like she's still in D.C. and attacks her old, even older than she is husband. That was fine because white guys are allowed to do it. And we don't want to have that conversation. But it's true.
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So one of the things that friends of mine are getting pissed at me on Facebook for is talking about.
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While.
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We don't know that the shooter was indeed a groiper, I personally, as someone who studies these people and has followed them closely for years, both the Kirk organization and Nick Fuentes's America first organization, I think that the shooter, for the little that is known, does fit the bill for, for a groiper. People are getting mad at me on Facebook because I'm simply talking about the history of Charlie Kirk and Nick Fuentes and how Nick Fuentes has been harassing Charlie Kirk for years to try to push him and his organization, right? How Nick Fuentes has been sending his minions, which he does have pretty close control over, into Charlie Kirk's organization to take it over democratically to start and run and be elected for chapter leadership of Turning Point usa. And that's how they're. They're turning Charlie Kirk's, you know, empire that these billionaires bought into a machine that is made of neo Nazis. And I'm not exaggerating, I'm not using hyperbolic language.
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No, they're like legit Nazis, anti Jew Nazis.
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These people are just absolute fucking monsters. And we reached a point years ago where groipers, these Nick Fuentes followers, these people believe that we should commit genocide as state policy here in the United states that it should be a white nation. The only way you achieve a white nation is either shipping everyone out or murdering them. Right? Anyone who calls themselves a white nationalist is pro genocide here in the United States. So let's, let's establish that, right? There are gripers who have been openly working for Representative Paul Gosar for four plus fucking years. And nobody in Congress, none of the Republicans in Congress, no one who's influenced by Charlie Kirk. He's such a fucking good guy. He's creating the conservative youth movement. No one has taken Paul Gosar aside in the Republican machine and said, you can't have fucking neo Nazis working in your congressional office. That's crossing the line, right? So Charlie Kirk and Nick Fuentes, though they had their little squabbles, they were perfectly aligned in building a pipeline for fucking neo Nazis to get into the halls of power. And now Nick Fuentes is allies like Laura Loomer. Again, people who are pro genocide here in the United States have regular access to not just the White House, but the President of the United States.
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And interesting that she took down her post where she was attacking Charlie Kirk. Laura Loomer, that is.
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Yeah. Funny how that works, huh?
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Shocker.
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Fuentes and Loomer had been for, for weeks calling Charlie Kirk a fascist because.
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He wanted the Epstein files released.
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B
They were using that. They were, they were using that deliberately, right? That word, deliberately. When I use the term fascist, I'm being literate. I mean, these people subscribe to fascist ideology whether they know it or not. Like, if you meet the tenets of fascism, you are a fascist, right? These people are calling Charlie Kirk a fascist to otherize him, to make it, to undermine his control of the conservative youth movement so that it could be infiltrated with actual fascists, with these groipers, these incels, these people who have developed such antisocial behaviors that they are nihilists and they want to see not just the project of America fail, but the project of democracy fail. The project of self determination and freedom. Not just freedom in the abstract sense, but freedom from violence and freedom from disease and starvation and all of the things that come with being a civilization.
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A
Well, isn't that one of the reasons why people sort of pointed to the shooter being a griper? Because he put that fascist. He wrote something like fascist, ha. Or something like that.
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B
Yeah, on the casing, right, he wrote, hey, fascist, catch. So most of, of the. Well, all of the engravings that he put on these bullets are, are kind of obscure memes. They, they are these hyper online memes which Again, I am not saying definitively is. Is absolutely associated with the right or absolutely associated with the gripers. That is the community that these things are. Are most associated with, but there are extremist elements that go in every fucking direction. It's not a spectrum right there. There are so many motivations for these types of nihilists, and I think that. That this shooter is a lot like the shooter from Butler, Pennsylvania, who tried to assassinate Trump last year. I think they are. Are just people who are trying to. They're accelerationists. Their desire is to cause a maximum amount of chaos and damage and carnage because their idea. They don't have this, like, idea of the Civil War, of someone winning on their side. They want to cause mass death and destruction. That is their motivating factor. There is no ends. There is no other side of the Civil War. The Civil War is the ends. The violence is the end.
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C
Well, on that note, can we, can we address the gibberish in the room which is old Venmo Patel's statement?
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A
Yeah. Why you want to. You want to take a lead on that one?
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C
Yeah, he was talking about Kirk and.
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A
Said, we're talking about Cash Patel, the FBI director, by the way.
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C
Something along the lines of, we have the watch now. I'll see you in Valhalla.
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A
Yeah. What. What is that? What in the is that?
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C
I like, I know.
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A
I know what the.
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C
I know what it means. I've played God of War. I know what that means.
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A
But.
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C
A governmental official said that.
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B
Yeah, yeah. I, I, I don't. I don't know what religion Cash Patel practices, but I don't think that it's Nordic paganism.
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C
I'm pretty sure it's not. I'm, like, 99 sure it's not, but.
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B
But what. What this is is, is him trying to cosplay. Cosplay. He's trying to cosplay. As a veteran, like, I'm Mr. Podcast.
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C
Man, and now I'm the We're gonna see you in Valhalla because we waited through all the blood and together. It's ridiculous. It is ridiculous. I saw an AI. It's the only time I've ever approved of AI. Somebody used AI to make a video of him standing in full Norse battle gear. Amazing.
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B
So. So for. For years before most people knew who Cash Patel was, I was doing things like going to QAnon conferences organized by disgraced former general and convicted Fenner convicted felon Mike Flint, who, by the way, still is my Facebook friend.
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A
I love that you keep saying it. And, like, even Years, nothing changes.
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B
He's still my Facebook friend and so is most of his family because they're all idiots. So I, I wish that more Americans, as dangerous as these things are, were exposed to these QAnon conferences. I mean they exist online. Like they record these 14 to 16 hour days of curated going on, on, on these, on these stages. Cash Patel walked onto the same stage as a recently retired quack doctor who's who served in the military who was talking about encouraging people to quote, I'm using air quotes here, invest in precious metals. And his laugh line was, oh my God, instead of gold and silver, he's talking about lead and brass as in ammunition. Like these guys have been talking about getting armed for the coming civil war and a global war. And Cash Patel, now fucking FBI Director, was Senate confirmed and not one fucking Democrat did their fucking job and like just simply played a video during the hearing and was like, hey, this person who's standing on stage next to you at the fucking QAnon conference with General Flynn is speaking in tongues. Do you endorse this because you were paid to fucking be there? Like, what the fuck? I am so upset with, with the, the complacency of elected Democrats who just.
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A
Let this shit happen.
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B
Like they did their, I think normal like 30 second sound bites for MSNBC and CNN thing, but they didn't do the fucking research. Like, they didn't, they didn't actually know how fucked up of a crazy man Cash Patel is. And his associates are fucking a thousand times worse than most Americans have ever been exposed to. And I have no doubt that if that shit was simply played on a fucking screen during these Senate hearings, that more Americans would have been fucking absolutely out. And I'm not talking about Democrats. I'm talking about like people who just flip through the fucking television for 10 seconds, see people speaking in tongues, claiming to be speaking in the words of God, like God is channeling through them actively speaking from a fucking stage that is heretical no matter what religion you are. And Cash Patel was standing there like, yeah, we're going to Valhalla. Like, this is the crazy fucking world.
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C
We live in now.
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A
As, as Logan Roy in succession once said, these are not serious people. And instead of talking about his children, we're talking about the people that Donald Trump, well, Donald Trump won, but also who he has picked because he's picked sycophants that won't say no. And the only adult that I have seen in there is the Treasury Secretary Besent, who keeps threatening to punch people in the face. That's the adult. He's the one adult.
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C
Elon, right.
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A
He did. Well, I think he hit Elon and then he threatened. No, that was Elon's kid, silly.
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C
He let him punch. He wanted. Elon wanted him to punch him in the face.
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A
You know, it's fun. You know this.
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C
Okay, so this is the craziest thing about the year so far for me is that it's only been nine months. It feels like it's been eight years. There has been so much ignorant that we have talked about and it's only been nine months. I mean, Elon's kid punching him.
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A
Oh, well, first of all, Elon's kid did not punch him in the face. No, Scott, be said. Probably. I mean, I don't know, but probably punched him in the face based on. Because the other thing about these people is they leak like a sieve because they all are so power hungry themselves that they want to talk to the Maggie Habermans of the world and all the national correspondence because they want to give them the juicy bit of information. And so you find these things out that there are like fist fights in the West Wing and like, like that.
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C
Which it's like, I think the ballroom to be like basically a US Ballroom.
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A
Maybe that's where they'll have the MMA fights. But, you know, and that's like a year away. Yeah. I mean it's going to get pretty gross. Yeah.
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B
Like I, I can't help but, but laugh because I am so fucking frustrated. Like I, as a, as a threat analyst, right. Who has spent the last, I don't know what feels like a week, it hasn't been a week, but since, since Charlie Kirk was five days.
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A
Five days.
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B
I have, I have spent virtually every waking hour responding to friends of mine who are, who are fearful of their own lives not because of some exaggeration, but because the threats being thrown around from the right are, are overwhelming and serious and touching countless Americans. And at the same time that like Charlie Kirk's death has spun up everyone who's watching on Fox News and, and all of these boomers who are, you know, Facebook tough guys, like, and that, and that's a problem. At the same time, we've got Stephen Miller talking about how he's going to go after leftist, quote, air quotes, leftist organizations, because the Democrats are being branded by this fucking White House as a terrorist organization that has implications for every American. Not just leftists, not just liberals, not just Democrats. Like this administration wants to brand one of the two political parties as a Terrorist organization, and they're building concentration camps. We haven't even talked about the concentration camps in, like a fucking month, right? Like, that's how crazy shit is getting in this country.
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A
Insane. I mean, they. If. If we go down this path, right, like, it starts with liberal organizations and groups, but then it just ends up going to anybody who doesn't agree with them. Which is why we have to stay organized and we have to stay coordinated. We have to stick together. Because if we splinter, it is far easier to pick this stuff apart if people don't stick together, than if we all stand up and say no. And I know we've said it before.
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C
I'm.
- [43:12]
A
I say it all the time. But, like, there are more of us than them. Like, if. If we stick together and. And fight back, there are more of us. We have to take the House back next year. Like, the Senate's a tough call. Maybe we could do it. But we need the House. We need the House for oversight reasons, for subpoena power, and also just so they can't pass terrible shit. You're going to have a real. A real voice in budget negotiations and, you know, basically, like, give everybody a bit of a breather because this is a lot. But this is why we started this show. You know, we knew what we were getting into. We knew it was going to get bad, and it is getting bad, but we signed up for it, and we're not going anywhere. And we hope the audience stays with us as well. We've got big things we're going to be announcing soon that I. We're hoping is going to help to fight back against this stuff. But it only. It only works if you. The audience sticks with us, which you have, and you have been great. Our episode last week was, I think, at least from an audio perspective, the most downloaded show we've had in a long time. Because I think this is. People need this information, and they're finding it valuable. So this is where I transition into my pitch, which always feels weird in these conversations. Chris did the great one last week. I was. I actually just finished listening last week's episode this morning, and I was like, damn, that was a. I had no idea where he was going last week when he was, like, setting up for the pitch. But. But it's true. Like, we can't do this without audience support. I mean, it feels. It feels weird to always be asking, but it's true. We are trying to build a media company. We want to build more shows that attract different audiences and help educate people on what's going on so that we can win in 2026 and, and then take back the White House in 2028. So, you know, even for just six bucks a month, that helps us a lot. And you can do that on Substack going find out podcast.substack.com you can. Also Luke is modeling one of our biceps.
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C
Don't come with it, though.
- [45:25]
A
No, you don't. You don't get the guns. No guns. But you know, we have these shirts that are union made in America because we want to live our values and we want to support fair wages. So, you know, the shirts cost a couple bucks more. But you're supporting American jobs. You can buy those@findout podcast.com well, guys, I know we have a hard stop at the top of the hour. I think we've, I think we've run through all this stuff now. Oh, one other thing. Last week or two weeks ago, we had Brian Tyler Cohen on talking about an event called the Fuck Around Find Out 50, which is a fundraising event for the yes on 50 Gerrymander ballot initiative in California. It's actually tonight. Tonight meaning Tuesday night from 7:30pm Eastern Time till about 10:30pm Eastern time. You will get to hear me interview cast of the West Wing, which is kind of crazy. So I will, I'll ask President Bartlett.
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C
He's really scared.
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A
Yeah, he's not gonna. Me, I'm scared. Well, I. Yeah, I mean Martin Sheen, man, like, the dude's an icon.
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B
We haven't seen Tim get starstruck yet.
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A
But it could be coming.
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C
You never know.
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A
Apocalypse now, like, I mean that movie is crazy and actually rated movie. Oh, so Luke.
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B
So Apocalypse.
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A
By the way, do you know he really punched. He really punched the mirror. Do you know? You really did that?
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C
I did know that.
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A
Yeah. Yeah, he did. Yeah.
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B
So my old boss at Vietnam Veterans America and Trump during the first presidency got in like a, a really the dumbest fight ever over Apocalypse Now. And it, and it was like months later it finally fucking leaked out and it was covered in like Rolling Stone, Vanity Fair and stuff. My, my boss, my hero, Rick Weidman, who has been involved in veteran advocacy since he got out of the army in the late 60s or early 70s. And, and it was because fucking Trump didn't understand the difference between Agent Orange, which is a, a toxin that has affected multiple generations of Americans, not just Vietnam vets, but it causes things like spina bifida. Horrific bad.
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C
I thought it was the shit that he put on his face. I thought that was Agent Orange.
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B
And. And I think it's Spike Lee, who is. Who is always called Donald Trump Agent Orange.
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A
And.
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B
And he battled with one of the most influential Vietnam veteran advocates about what napalm was versus Agent Orange. And. And I'm reminded of this not just because you. You bring up Apocalypse Now. And that was the movie that apparently Trump was like, it's a good movie. And my boss was like, actually, it stigmatized the fuck out of Vietnam vets. But, you know, whatever. Donald Trump just. It was just fucking last week that the dude tweeted out a picture of him using. Using an AI generated image to make it look like he was, you know, in the fucking movie Apocalypse now. And that he, the American President, the Commander in Chief, was declaring war on an American city. And in the background of that AI generated image, again, that the President of the United States posted, that city was fucking burning.
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A
Yeah, it was Chicago, right?
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C
Yep.
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A
Right.
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B
And we've forgotten about that. Like. Like, I haven't thought of that until you mentioned box. Apocalypse Now.
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A
Right.
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B
Like the absurdity that. That we are dealing with today.
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A
I know. Well, I'm probably not gonna bring up Apocalypse now then. That seems like maybe I'll focus on somebody. So, you know, the fact that he was. He's actually played the president twice. He's been the Chief of staff in a movie once, American President, which is a very. Not real movie, but I enjoyed it. But we'll also have Bradley Whitford, who's another one that I'm. You know. I mean, that guy's been in a million things. I think the first thing I saw him in was he was the bad guy in Billy Madison, I think. Is that right? I think that's right. And then obviously he was in the West Wing and in all kinds of stuff. I think he's in the Handmaid's Tale now, too. He's like a bad slash. Good. Someone told me he was like, both good and bad. And I haven't watched the show, so I don't know what that means. So I don't want to ruin it for anybody, but, yeah, I might get a little starshock. And Dulay Hill is supposed to be in there too, so, yeah, you're gonna get to watch me interview sl. Celebs. It's one thing to interview politicians that I. That's fine. Movie stars like Martin Sheen, like, pretty different.
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B
And they each, according to the schedule, have what, like a minute to speak? Each one.
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A
So. So we were also supposed to have Mary McCormick, who played like an aide, an advisor on it. She was also in the movie Deep Impact. She's been in a bunch of stuff and she unfortunately can't, for scheduling reasons be there. So. But that's my joke last week was I had, I was going to have four very well known actors that had to split 10 minutes between them. So now I have three very well known actors in 10 minutes. So I feel a little bit better. I'm also just trying to figure out how I actually start a conversation.
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C
I believe in you, Tim.
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A
Well, thank you. Thank you.
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B
Good luck, buddy.
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A
So anyways, we'll wrap there. Thank you everybody. Again, if you can support us, we would really love it. Thank you for being with us. And I think Thursday, well, we, we're trying to figure out the rest of our schedule this week. We are at some point this week going to be releasing an interview with Dan Cleban, who is the founder of the Bain Beer Company and is the most recent person to enter the Senate race to to tackle. Tackle Challenge. Not tackle. We're not. No violence. Challenge Susan Collins and hopefully defeat her once and for all. So thanks for sticking with us, folks. We'll be back again soon. Take.