There Is Something Seriously Wrong With Donald Trump

Summary

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The Find Out Podcast

Episode: "There Is Something Seriously Wrong With Donald Trump"

Release Date: December 16, 2025

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Episode Overview

This episode centers on the alarming personal and political behavior of Donald Trump during his second term, especially in the wake of recent violence both in America and internationally. The hosts—Tim, Zach, Luke, and other contributors—discuss Trump's inflammatory and unempathetic responses to tragedy, the broader American gun violence epidemic, and the left’s internal rifts over issues like Israel and Gaza. The conversation is candid, irreverent, and laced with dark humor, as the hosts process disturbing current events and their political ramifications.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Trump's Reaction to the Rob Reiner Murder

• [00:29] The hosts open by reacting to Trump's Truth Social post after the murder of Rob Reiner and his wife:
  • Trump blames the tragedy on “Trump Derangement Syndrome” rather than the actual circumstances (their son with a history of addiction and mental illness).
  • The hosts read the post aloud and note its callousness and surreal self-obsession.
  • Quote (Host 1, reading Trump):
    “He was known to have driven people crazy, all caps. By his raging obsession of President Donald J. Trump…” [01:56]
  • Even some Republicans, including Marjorie Taylor Greene and Thomas Massie, condemned Trump's reaction—an unusual event.
  • The hosts describe their emotional exhaustion—transitioning from anger to sadness at the normalizing of such behavior.

2. The Broader Collapse of Empathy in Politics

• [02:49] Trump, rather than staying silent or showing empathy, appears to "enjoy" tragedies involving his critics.
  • Zach: “He likes when people die. Like, that's… that's it.” [06:04]
• [06:18] Trump’s response to the Brown University shooting is noted as similarly dismissive: “Things happen bad. But as Luke said, things happen.”
• Emphasis on Trump’s ability to redirect any event to his own benefit or grievances.

3. America's Gun Violence Crisis & Political Inaction

• [08:45] The entire panel vents about Republican unwillingness to implement common-sense gun reforms.
  • Discussion centers on universal background checks, the “gun show loophole,” and illegal sales via online platforms like Facebook.
  • Host 1: “Republicans are perfectly fine with the level of gun violence we have in order to continue to have unfettered access to firearms.” [08:45]
  • The hosts discuss the disconnect between the GOP base and the majority of Americans, who support stronger gun laws but fail to prioritize them electorally.
• [16:06] Comparison with Australia’s response to mass shootings:
  • After a major shooting, Australia enacted strict gun laws and has only had a couple of mass shootings since.
  • Host 2: “You have a problem, you find a problem, you offer a solution to that problem. It's that easy if you don't have the NRA.” [16:07]

4. Empathy (or Lack Thereof) and Tribalism in American Politics

• [19:58] The conversation shifts to how Republicans express empathy only for their immediate circles, compared to the broader, often overwhelming empathy of liberals and the left.
  • Zach: Summarizes research showing conservatives’ empathy rarely extends beyond family and close friends, while liberals’ is much more expansive.
  • [22:16] The role of privilege: By restricting their concern to those close to them, groups in power avoid reckoning with societal problems.
• [24:12] Discussing the difficulty and emotional toll of trying to empathize broadly—how empathy must be balanced with meaningful action and self-care.

5. U.S. Foreign Aid and National Security

• [24:59] The hosts underscore that even fiscal conservatives should see the value in foreign aid, both for humanitarian and national security reasons.
  • Dramatic US aid cuts create vacuums that adversaries like Russia and China will fill, costing the U.S. more in future conflicts.

6. The Left’s Internal Fights: Israel, Gaza, and the Texas Senate Primary

• [31:34] The hosts pivot to “Democrats in Disarray”—highlighting nastiness and misinformation being spread about Texas primary candidates Jasmine Crockett and James Talarico based on perceived loyalty to AIPAC or Israel.
  • They criticize the left for using Middle East policy as an unrealistic litmus test for Democratic candidates in noncompetitive states.
  • Host 2: “There are 737 things that are more important to Texas voters right now probably than whatever is happening in the Middle East.” [35:51]
  • Stress on the need for pragmatic coalition-building, not purist in-fighting, especially with key midterm races ahead.

7. The Real Stakes: The Supreme Court & Democracy

• [37:58] Zach: “It is extremely likely, extremely likely that Samuel Alito and probably Clarence Thomas both will announce their retirement in the second two years of Trump's tenure... If we steal the Senate against all the odds, then it puts them in a really, really, really difficult position.”
• The hosts emphasize the crucial importance of holding Congress to prevent further right-wing control of the Supreme Court and national policy.
  • Discourages single-issue purity (“If they don’t agree with me on Gaza, I’m not voting”) in favor of strategic voting to block MAGA power.

8. Final Thoughts: Pragmatism Over Purity & Merch Talk

• [41:34] The hosts reiterate: the outrage over litmus tests or donations is mostly an online, amplifying minority.
• They encourage listeners to focus on the bigger picture and not to engage needlessly in left-on-left infighting.
• The episode closes with banter about their merch store, Substack, and a teaser for Thursday’s episode with Maine Governor Janet Mills.

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• [01:56] Host 1 (Trump's Truth Social):
  “He was known to have driven people crazy, all caps. By his raging obsession of President Donald J. Trump with his obvious paranoia reaching new heights as the Trump administration surpasses all goals and expectations of greatness... may Rob and Michelle rest in peace.”
• [06:04] Zach:
  “He likes when people die. Like, that's… that's it.”
• [08:45] Host 1:
  “Republicans are perfectly fine with the level of gun violence we have in order to continue to have unfettered access to firearms. They don’t care. They do not care.”
• [16:07] Host 2 (on Australia):
  “You have a problem, you find a problem, you offer a solution to that problem. It's that easy if you don't have the NRA.”
• [19:58] Luke:
  “Republicans and empathy. I feel like they do have empathy, but only for people they know... The second their neighbor that they like gets shot, then [it's] ‘we gotta rethink this whole gun thing.’”
• [22:16] Zach (on empathy):
  “They made it, like, two circles out. It was essentially my immediate family and my immediate best friends. And then everything after that... if you’re not the best friend, they don’t care.”
• [37:58] Zach (on Supreme Court):
  “It is extremely likely, extremely likely that Samuel Alito and probably Clarence Thomas both will announce their retirement in the second two years of Trump's tenure... The 10-year clock starts really right now as soon as we start picking our candidates for the Senate.”
• [40:03] Host 2:
  “And you are. First of all, you’re [an] idiot. And second of all, you’re not paying attention to anything. You’re going to take one issue and you’re gonna basically let John Cornyn or worse, Ken Paxton just roll in.”

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Important Timestamps

• 00:17 — 06:00: Trump’s Rob Reiner post: reading, instant reactions, and broader implications of his rhetoric.
• 06:18 — 10:30: America’s response to mass shootings; political inaction vs. Australia’s approach.
• 19:58 — 26:38: Empathy, privilege, and the limits of personal concern in American politics.
• 31:34 — 37:17: Texas Senate primary drama, leftist infighting, and the real-world consequences of purity politics.
• 37:58 — 41:49: The pivotal importance of the 2026 Senate for the Supreme Court and American democracy.
• 44:00 — End: Light closing banter, merch info, and a preview of next episode with Gov. Janet Mills.

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Tone & Style

The episode is sardonic, emotionally raw, and sometimes bleakly funny. The hosts oscillate between irreverent banter and sobering assessment of America’s political dysfunction, driven by a deep sense of urgency and exhaustion with both MAGA-politics and left-wing self-sabotage. The language is direct, informal, and laced with expletives and internet culture references.

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Summary for New Listeners

If you missed the episode: The Find Out Podcast lays bare just how normalizing and exhausting Trump’s unhinged rhetoric has become in 2025, especially against the backdrop of real national traumas. The left’s struggle—and sometimes failure—to act pragmatically is dissected, with the hosts pleading for focus on the existential stakes of fascism, not internecine squabbles. Real-life policy, empathy, and coalition-building are presented as the only meaningful resistance to MAGA nihilism.

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Transcript

[Tim]

Foreign.

[Host 1]

Hey, everybody, welcome back to the Find out podcast. Normally at the end of our episodes we have a segment with Luke called Get, but I think this entire episode is going to be a Get Donald Trump episode. So we're going to just start it off with that. Unfortunately, most of what we are talking about today is not good news, both.

[Host 2]

In the horrific amount of violence that we have seen across the country and.

[Host 1]

The world since we last recorded, but then also talking about how Donald Trump.

[Host 2]

Has reacted to this.

[Host 1]

And so buckle up, guys. I don't know how much we're going to be able to make, make light of this, but when you read this, I'm going to read Donald Trump's post about the Rob Reiner, this horrific, horrific.

[Host 2]

Murder of both Rob and his wife.

[Host 1]

By apparently or allegedly by their son in a knife attack yesterday. So I'm going to read to you. And Zach is not, by the way, has not read this yet. The other guys have read this. So we're gonna get Zach in real time. So bear with me while I read this. I'm not going to do a Trump.

[Host 2]

Voice, I'm just going to read it.

[Host 1]

But so here's his truth social post from 11 o'.

[Host 2]

Clock. Yesterday or today.

[Host 1]

Oh, today. It just happened.

[Host 2]

11 o'. Clock.

[Luke]

Oh, okay.

[Host 1]

A very sad thing happened last night in Hollywood. Rob Reiner, a tortured and struggling but once very talented movie director and comedy star, has passed away together with his wife Michelle, reportedly due to the anger he caused others through his massive, unyielding and incurable affliction with a mind crippling disease known as Trump Derangement Syndrome, sometimes.

[Host 2]

Referred to as tds.

[Host 1]

He was known to have driven people crazy, all caps. By his raging obsession of President Donald J. Trump with his obvious paranoia reaching new heights as the Trump administration surpasses all goals and expectations of greatness. And with the golden age of, of America upon us, perhaps like never before, may Rob and Michelle rest in peace. I don't know.

[Luke]

I mean, it's, it's, I mean, it's, it's Trump, you know, could we get.

[Zach]

Terry Crews to read that for us?

[Host 1]

Yeah, like I thought you were gonna say, can we get Terry Tate, office.

[Host 2]

Linebacker in the White House?

[Host 1]

And every time that old commercial where he was like, tackle people who were doing things wrong in the office, every time Donald Trump grabs his phone, should.

[Host 2]

Have Terry Tate, office Liebacker, go and let's go. Knock it out.

[Luke]

Finds a way to pivot. Every time it's like, well, let me pivot into why they hate Me and I'm awesome. And the. By the way, the. I love at the end, like rest in peace.

[Tim]

Rest in peace.

[Zach]

After I just talk to you, you.

[Host 2]

And your wife, which by the way.

[Host 1]

As we said, this, this, this murder appears to have been committed by their son.

[Zach]

Nothing to do with who has had.

[Host 1]

It'S been reported, has had many like drug and alcohol and probably mental health issues, shot for years. Unfortunately, they're of their daughter discovered the.

[Tim]

Scene, but they arrested the son today.

[Host 2]

Yeah, so he's been.

[Host 1]

Yeah, I mean, I think it's pretty obvious who did it, but just like I was telling these guys earlier, like.

[Host 2]

I don't expect Donald Trump to do anything good or to say anything good or to have any empathy whatsoever.

[Host 1]

But this, on this like, is, it's so bad that actually some Republicans, not many, some Republicans have condemned him. And actually his old buddy Marjorie Taylor Greene and Thomas Massie who are kind of in that, like, yeah, new, new.

[Host 2]

Never Trump block.

[Zach]

Yeah.

[Host 1]

Because it's politically convenient for them.

[Zach]

Hey, but I just, these are genuine, genuine policy based.

[Tim]

They're big feelings.

[Zach]

Yes.

[Host 2]

Right, right. I, you know, I did a video on this earlier and it's, it's, it's, it's just so, it's sad.

[Host 1]

Like, I'm not even really angry anymore.

[Host 2]

I'm just sad.

[Zach]

Exactly.

[Host 1]

So many Americans, like, are fine with this. And even the video that I posted, which was just like Trump talking about Trump shitting on Rob Reiner less than.

[Host 2]

A day before he's like, was killed.

[Host 1]

Like, I got people, they're like clicking.

[Host 2]

The smile or the laugh button on Facebook because of it.

[Host 1]

They, they just don't care.

[Zach]

Well, and if you'd ask Rob Reiner 3 days ago, hey, if you were ever stabbed to death, what do you think Trump would say? He would have probably scripted this. Like, he's, well, he's a, he's a better writer.

[Tim]

AI is writing these fucking tweets, man.

[Zach]

He would have predicted this and he also wouldn't have been surprised when it happened. So it's like we're in this, like post logical, post apocalyptic dystopian mind state together that, where everything is just absurd. I mean, I'm laughing at it. I was, I was thinking this morning and I was like, I, I'm like weirdly relieved that it was just the mental health crisis and addiction crisis, you know, epidemics that, that took his life and not the MAGA crisis or the gun control crisis or the gun violence crisis, I should say. Or, or, you know, the white nationalist, you know, KKK, Neo Nazi crisis. Like, there are 500 epidemics. And for some. For some reason, it feels better that it wasn't one of the political ones. I don't know. It's like, oh, at least there wasn't a maga. Like, that would have made it worse. Right. Even though it's like, this is equally fucked no matter how you cut it.

[Host 1]

Yeah.

[Zach]

And Trump could do anything about any of this stuff if he really wanted.

[Host 1]

To, but he also could just say nothing.

[Zach]

He could just shut the.

[Host 2]

Like that.

[Host 1]

That particular case. Like, the President of the United States does not need to weigh in on that if he doesn't want to. But, like, he had to do it because he weirdly seemed to enjoy that Rob Reiner was knifed to death. And his wife.

[Zach]

Oh, guarantee.

[Host 1]

Like, he likes.

[Luke]

He likes when people die. Like, that's.

[Zach]

That's it. You know, I bet he didn't even open Pornhub at 2am oh, God.

[Luke]

Thanks for that image in my head. That's great.

[Host 2]

Yeah.

[Host 1]

I don't need to. Don't need to see that.

[Zach]

Yeah.

[Host 1]

It's just really. And then. But then to pivot. So then we had this awful shooting at Brown University where I think at least two people were killed and eight others injured. And Donald Trump's answer to that was, things happen bad. But as. As Luke said, things happen.

[Luke]

Things that anything do happen every day.

[Tim]

And, you know, there's no need. There's no need to fly the hags. The flags half mast for the college students that got killed. There's only one kind of a school shooting we care about, and that's when podcasters get killed. That's when we fly him half mast.

[Zach]

Yeah, I know. The beating up of a victim of violent crime. I feel like there was a slightly different response when he was steaming and spewing hot lava directly into the camera from the Resolute desk after the Charlie Kirk incident.

[Tim]

Yeah, I'm pretty sure. You know, I think there was. And it was like, man, civil war. I feel like that was the vibe.

[Zach]

Right. I can't. I can't. I blacked out most of it. I. But you're on the right track.

[Tim]

The damnedest thing that we haven't even mentioned yet is that they released the person of interest, the second person of interest. They're still alive, as far as I know.

[Host 1]

I believe that's true still. And Kash Patel yesterday, of course, in all his infinite wisdom, was tweeting about apprehending that person, and then it turned out to not be the right person. And Trump did that, too.

[Tim]

Trump did it the day it happened. He said that these guys caught the guy and then. No, it's not true.

[Host 1]

I mean, these guys are idiots. I mean, this is again, like you put, and you put a troll in charge of the FBI and you're going to get troll behavior. You're not going to get somebody that actually knows what they're doing. They're going to want to pump their chest. They're going to want to fly the FBI jet to go see his girlfriend, which happens, by the way, he's done several times with no actual business, costing the country hundreds of thousands, if not millions of dollars in the process. And then he's out there giving inaccurate information because he is still acting like he did before he was in the administration where they could just say whatever the hell they wanted because their audience would lap, lap up whatever they said and no one would ever fact check them. Works a little differently when you're the FBI director. But that's true.

[Tim]

Hey, you can't just say things like that. Like, it has to be true.

[Luke]

Yeah, not. Apparently not. I mean, what's the, that's the thing with all this. Exactly. Like what. In the end, what's the. What do they get in trouble for nothing. Like, nobody's going to hold them to the fire. That's the hard part. What do you do?

[Host 1]

Yeah, and I think, I think in these, like, and I, I said this, this weekend, you know, I think it's safe to say at this point that Republicans are perfectly fine with the level of gun violence we have in order to continue to have unfettered access to firearms. They don't care. They do not care.

[Luke]

That's the trade. They're willing to make it. They've made it. That's it.

[Tim]

They will make it forever.

[Host 1]

Yeah, Yeah. I was on a call earlier, we were talking about, like, what do you even say at this point? And I think the things you just. We have to keep reiterating that states with stronger gun laws have less gun crime across the board. Gun laws work. And we don't even have a universal background check system in this country to stop criminals from having guns. You can go online a whole bunch of places, including Facebook, and find a private sale and then go meet in the grocery store parking lot, exchange cash that got that gun is gone and that person who sold it has absolutely no idea who they gave it to. And they are not legally required to. I don't understand why we can't even crazy stop that.

[Tim]

Because, like, Facebook is like Oh, I stopped it. You know, we can't. You can't sell guns on Facebook. But then, like, you go to Marketplace and there's ads where it's like, look in the third picture for what's for really for sale. And then it's a fucking gun. It's like, oh, cool, you're doing great. Facebook. You're doing great.

[Host 1]

Well, the craziest part about that is that that is while it's against their terms, it's perfectly legal in. In 30 or so states.

[Host 2]

There are.

[Host 1]

There are about 20, 22 states that have passed, you know, and you can guess which states they are that have. Have passed those laws. But yeah, that. Republicans in the NRA hate to talk about the gun show loophole because it allows for unfettered access to guns with no background checks, no tracking, no. No nothing.

[Zach]

Like, why can't we use AI to. To track guns instead of take people's creative jobs? Like that would be a thing I would like. I don't need a picture of, you know, like a celebrity with three boobs or whatever. I need. I need us to try.

[Host 2]

Where are you getting.

[Zach]

Are you.

[Host 2]

Are you rich?

[Host 1]

Did you watch Total Recall last night?

[Zach]

I didn't, no. I watched a horror movie last night. It was really good.

[Host 1]

Yeah, but you get the reference, right?

[Host 2]

Please tell me, you guys, come on.

[Host 1]

I don't know, Tim.

[Zach]

That's what AI Is being used for is just trash, graphic design, knockoff work. And I feel like that's less valuable than if we maybe used it to, like, I don't know.

[Host 2]

I would be.

[Zach]

Tracks.

[Host 2]

You'll never get it through Republicans. But I. I don't have any problem with the gun registry.

[Host 1]

We should be able to track the 4 to 500 million guns that are in this country. We have absolutely no idea where they.

[Host 2]

Are, and we do not have.

[Host 1]

There were some.

[Host 2]

Some fixes to the next background check system, which is the National Background Check Registry. But even that, you have to. They have to beg red states to upload that data because they just don't give a shit.

[Zach]

The standard Republican response if they're. If you haven't done anything wrong.

[Host 1]

What'S your problem?

[Tim]

If you haven't done anything wrong?

[Zach]

I mean, that's what they say to Hispanic people who don't want to get pulled over when they're driving to work.

[Host 1]

So, oh, just comply.

[Zach]

No, if you haven't done anything wrong, just. Yeah, just go. Right.

[Tim]

There's nothing to hide, nothing to fear.

[Zach]

Right, Right. Nothing to fear.

[Luke]

I don't know, I mean, like, the, the thing that is interesting here is it's like Republican politicians are like that, but the average Republican is in favor of a lot of these gun laws. Like, that's the part that's up to me. It's like with a lot of this Republican, like, the people and the politicians are in lockstep. But in this one, it's really just special interests and politicians. That's all it is. Because most people.

[Tim]

I wonder what that special interest could be from, Zach.

[Luke]

I know.

[Host 1]

Well, the problem, and it is the, the. There's been poll after poll that shows.

[Host 2]

Somewhere between 80 and 90% of Americans back universal background checks. I think the problem, though is on the right. It's not a litmus test, right?

[Host 1]

Like that they, they want those things.

[Host 2]

But they will still vote for people who don't want. And so that's why we are still in this. There are very few Republicans at this point that would even consider background check. There's a few senators, even fewer House Republicans that are willing to do it. So again, the only way that you are going to get those laws is when people stop voting for Republicans. That's it.

[Luke]

Or when we get money out, special interest money out of politics, that's when that'll change too.

[Zach]

I think that's coming this year, though. I think Trump's gonna get that.

[Host 2]

Yeah, he's really good.

[Tim]

You know, he's not really interested in taking money from anybody.

[Luke]

No, no, he's very, he's not a big fan of money.

[Host 2]

Well, I was actually scared politically. I was scared that he was gonna back up a ban on stock trades for members because I thought they were going to be able to take that issue away from us. But I think he said it, that a bunch of people whispered in his ear.

[Host 1]

They went, we don't want you to do that.

[Tim]

Don't do that.

[Host 2]

So we can have that. We can have that back, though. We have struggle getting people on our side to go along with that too, which I do not understand.

[Luke]

It makes no sense. But I mean, like, Trump has no interest in pivoting to good ideas. I read a story this morning from the Washington Post where it was like, I think it was the head of Rasmussen, the polling group pretty much went to him, was like, your numbers suck, dude, and if you just change like a message of economic populism, you'll do great. And he pretty much was like, nah, off, I don't care, and just doesn't give a shit.

[Host 2]

Well, yeah, and if Ras mustn't move, which is a, which is A right leaning is probably being.

[Host 1]

Yeah.

[Host 2]

Too nice. But if they're telling him that his numbers are bad, his numbers are very, very bad.

[Host 1]

Yeah, but it's the same thing with COVID Right.

[Host 2]

Like if he had, if in Covid, if he had just rallied, rallied the country together, like he would have beaten Joe Biden. I actually don't think it would have even been a question. But he handled that so badly because he had. He. Well, first of all, his instincts sometimes treat him well and sometimes hurt him a lot. And in that case it was. And I think this is the same thing.

[Host 1]

He is.

[Host 2]

He's going to do what he's going to do, but like he's going to drag Republicans down with him, which is perfectly fine with me. He's doing the job for us.

[Luke]

We're not doing shit. I mean, he's, he's the one who's just out there being like, let me just destroy the country and I'll hand it to the Democrats. It'll be great.

[Host 2]

Yeah, well, I, and I want to go to some Democrat on Democrat violence in a second, but I want to. What?

[Zach]

Go ahead. Before we get to that, I gotta, we got. There's one thing we haven't talked about yet. So before we get to that one, let's go to the next. Right.

[Host 2]

I'm a professional moderator.

[Zach]

There's another one.

[Host 2]

I know where we're going.

[Host 1]

Where are we going?

[Host 2]

Are we going to Australia?

[Zach]

Yeah, yeah.

[Host 2]

See?

[Zach]

Damn you.

[Host 2]

So the other. I can't believe we got a joke out of that. So the other horrible, horrible thing this weekend was the anti Semitic attack on Jewish people, I believe, celebrating Hanukkah in Australia and Bondi Beach, I believe, shot by a father and son duo. I think 15 people died, more injured. And also there's some just harrowing footage of a man by the name of Ahmed, Ahmed that actually wrestled one of the shooters and got the gun away from him while getting shot in the process, but probably saved countless lives. But of course it inflamed all of the anti Semitic and anti Muslim fervor that reverberates when it's something awful like this happens. And you know, it was interesting what the, the Prime Minister of Australia said in response to that. I think we need to strike our gun laws. What a novel concept.

[Zach]

That's crazy.

[Host 2]

Yeah, right. You have a problem, you find a problem, you offer a solution to that problem. It's that easy if you don't have the nra. And the other thing to note, because people are like, well, they already have strong gun laws. You know how many mass shootings they've had in the last, like 30 years?

[Host 1]

Like two, isn't it? It's like two or three.

[Host 2]

You know what I mean? We've had this year.

[Tim]

359.

[Host 2]

I knew that one. 350. Yeah.

[Zach]

Almost 300.

[Tim]

No, 392 and 359 days.

[Luke]

That's what it is.

[Host 2]

Oh, 392. Three. And they, they banned a lot of guns in. There was a horrible mass shooting and I think Tasmania, I believe, 32 people, something. And they banned a lot of guns. 30 years ago. I think it was 30 years ago. 25 years ago they banned guns and then they. They've only had two or three since.

[Zach]

Yeah, it works.

[Host 2]

It works.

[Luke]

Of course it works.

[Zach]

I think, I think the fact that it was a. It appears it was a couple of Muslim people who did this, but then it was also a Muslim person who, who interfered. Maybe that's why Donald Trump hasn't posted anything about 15 Jewish people being murdered since. You know, he, he took the time yesterday to post about the Trump Gold card. You know, if you want to pay a million dollars to come here.

[Host 1]

Jesus Christ.

[Zach]

You know, and they talked about Caroline Levitt's lips or something at some point.

[Tim]

That was a while ago.

[Zach]

Yeah. This morning or last.

[Tim]

Yeah, those between those perfect lips, right.

[Zach]

No, no, no, he did it again. You mean he posted. He retruthed another thing yesterday about retruth. Why the. Is that. That's the dumbest thing. Yeah, she's awesome in every way. He reposted yesterday. So he's, he's got time to talk about paying.

[Tim]

Oh, he knows she likes older men to emigrate.

[Zach]

Talk. Took time to talk about Caroline Levitt being awesome in every way, but he hasn't taken the time to, you know, mourn the loss of 15 lives in, in gun violence.

[Luke]

I'm trying to figure out only mourns losses that are personal. He doesn't give a about it or.

[Host 2]

Yeah, he doesn't even do that.

[Zach]

Got.

[Tim]

He was itching to talk about his ballroom like 24 hours after Charlie Kirk got killed.

[Host 1]

Yep.

[Zach]

He doesn't.

[Tim]

He doesn't even give a About people close to him. He cares about himself.

[Zach]

It's just kids could die and he'd.

[Luke]

Be like, yeah, you know, it's fine.

[Tim]

What are you gonna do? Yeah, things happen.

[Luke]

Kids go, whatever. You know, it's like, that's.

[Tim]

I can always make more.

[Host 2]

Well, he's, he's, he's actually doesn't have any friends. I mean, his one friend, Charlie Epstein. Charlie, why did I say that?

[Tim]

He has two friends, I guess in combination.

[Luke]

Charlie Epstein.

[Zach]

I think it's Jeffrey.

[Host 2]

Jeffrey, my God, what is wrong with me?

[Tim]

What is wrong with you?

[Host 2]

Best.

[Host 1]

Best friend.

[Host 2]

I'm having a stroke. Well, I was in California. I was in California last week, guys. So I slowed way down. The sun was shining and now I'm back in the 19 degree weather and it snowed and everything. But no, Jeffrey, Jeffrey Epstein was his best friend. And now his best friend's not around anymore. And so he doesn't have anybody else. I mean, who, who is he going to hang out with? Like Rudy Giuliani?

[Tim]

Like, I don't know, Steve Bannon.

[Host 2]

Steve Bannon, who's also in those photos from the fc, which we already talked about. The Woody Allen and you know, Bill Clinton because you got to throw him in there. Because I love the. When those got released last week, Republicans, like, they selectively released them. I'm like, but they released one with Bill Clinton. That's not a good, that's not a good job of selectively. Like, you know. Yeah, but he's just an awful human being. And I think it, it, it, please, it, it plays to this whole. The why Republicans and Democrats don't understand each other anymore. Because the Republican Party of today has zero empathy for anyone and we do. And when you don't have any empathy, I could see why you would look at us and be like, why do you even care if you don't give a shit about anybody other than yourself?

[Luke]

And that's, that's the interesting thing. I feel like the, like Republicans and empathy. I feel like they do have empathy, but only for people they know.

[Host 2]

Yes.

[Luke]

Like, that's, that's all, that's the key difference. Like, Republicans will not be able to understand something like this. Like looking at a, at a tragedy of any kind and going, well, I feel bad. But the second their neighbor that they like gets shot, then like, well, we got to rethink this whole gun thing. Like, it's just. That's all it is.

[Host 1]

But they don't even do that, though.

[Luke]

Like, that's true.

[Tim]

Like, not a single person after Charlie Kirk got killed was clamoring for gun control. They're one of those single one they don't know.

[Luke]

Like, they don't. They literally have to know you personally.

[Tim]

These are people that. They were literally talking about him like he's their brother. I mean, they're the ones talk about, you need to get fired if you say anything about Charlie.

[Host 2]

They don't.

[Tim]

They don't care enough to ask for gun control.

[Host 1]

That video where it was like, Charlie died Charlie. I'm like, you're what?

[Tim]

You don't know what is going on here.

[Host 1]

I mean, I think it's horrible that anybody gets gunned down, but I'm like, right. I wouldn't do a video with, like, my tears, like, if I don't know somebody on the left, like, that happened to that. I don't know, I would feel awful about it. But that was a performance, right? That was for clicks and whatever.

[Zach]

But. And if I am that sad about it, I'm not putting a video out there.

[Tim]

Like, I've never thought family members, be honest, not once.

[Host 1]

As four people who are pretty online all the time. Like, I. I don't have any interest in doing that either.

[Zach]

No.

[Host 1]

Like, you don't have to share all this stuff. I mean, he did it for attention. Right? So it wasn't really about Charlie Kerr, but, yeah, it's just. It's really messed up. I mean, the perfect example that I always go back to is Rob Portman, who used to be a senator from Ohio, was staunchly anti gay marriage until his son came out as gay. And then all of a sudden, he's like, wait, gay people are people? Yeah, we should. They should have the same or similar rights to us. And it's like, yeah, why did it take you, having a child to understand that? But that's how they are, right? That's. That's how it works.

[Luke]

That personal, like, experience with it. They can't speculate about how they'd feel about something. It's impossible. And that's like, I get it. Like, I. That's a part of it. Where I look at it, I'm like, I'm not going to hold that against them. It's like, literally, they're incapable. I don't think that if they tried, they, like, even if they went to therapy, they'd be able to figure it out. These are like, some people are just built to not have that ability to, like, transfer empathy beyond their circle of people. They know. It's like it just creates bad play.

[Zach]

Somebody did a really good video about this. I was going to see if I could find it quickly, but I cannot. They were talking about how they did a big study on Republicans versus Democrats or conservative or conservatives versus Liberals, on empathy. And they had. They asked people about. It was like 20 circles of your society all the way from, like, you and your personal family all the way out to like, inanimate things like rocks and trees and, you know, things that have no feelings and that don't necessarily feel pain. And they asked people if. If you cared deeply, you know, for this thing, and then at the next level and the next level, and you guys know how this turned out. But Republicans, it was actually shocking. They. They made it, like two circles out. It was essentially my immediate family and my immediate best friends. And then everything after that, it had, like. You had to find your way into that circle for them to access empathy for that tier that, you know, that group of people, if they don't. If you're not in the family, if you're not the best friend, they don't care. And they have. They, like, have a. A cognitive gap where. Where, for me, I'm like, why do I feel bad if a. Like, if a squirrel gets hit? I'm like, damn it. You know? Like, I'm like, yeah, it's not healthy to have maybe that much empathy. I can control. I'm pretty.

[Luke]

Well, I'm probably three circles out.

[Zach]

I can. I can control that. At least. Where I'm like, well, fucking shit happens. But, like, if I have to choose, I'd rather care about trees and people in other countries and all the different circles and my family and friends than exclusively my family.

[Luke]

Sounds exhausting, though, to be like, that's the part for me where I'm like, I. Obviously, the first few circles, I'm like, obvious. But then after that, I'm like, this just sounds like too much hurt, you know, like, there's shitty things all the time everywhere. Oh, I just can't internalize it.

[Host 1]

I think living a life as a Republican probably easier is way easier, right? Way. Because you're just like, easier. I mean, ignorance is bliss, right? Like, if you. If you don't possess that and you're looking at us, you're like, why are you guys worried about the hundreds of thousands of people, including children, that died when we cut usaid? And it's like, what do you.

[Host 2]

What do you mean?

[Luke]

Like, there's like, there's a layer to it, too. Or it's like, there's a. Like, so for me, like, even though I can only go two or three circles out, I can still want policies that defend many, many circles out. Because it's not about empathy for me. It's about what makes sense for society. Like, the Republican approach, to me, that's the. That's the detriment. It's not about, like, oh, they don't have empathy. It's like, they can't even speculate out on what people would need like outside of that circle. That is the problem.

[Host 1]

Well, and the thing, the thing with USAID that I think it kills me is that we're not, I mean yes, some of that we are doing for empathetic reasons and that we are supposed to be the shining light on the hill and all that, but some of it's a national security play too. If you, if you lift these, these people up who have nothing, they are far less likely to be radicalized and turned into terrorists wherever they are.

[Host 2]

Right.

[Host 1]

So like there is a. It is and it is much che. Even though these we talk civilians here. It is much cheaper to do that than to fight a war in Iraq, for example. Right. Like if you so like but and.

[Zach]

Imprison everyone you have to imprison and then feed all of the people that you. That got abandoned because of the war, like.

[Host 1]

Right, yeah. Or you build them up, you give them tools and you help them, you know, become self sufficient and then someday, hopefully you eventually leave. That is a far cheaper. That's what everyone's like. USAID is like 30% of the budget. I think it was 1% or 0.7% tiny. And like this is why like they cut it and it's like how did Doge not save any money? And it's like, well, because like you're dealing in trillions of dollars. So if you cut millions, it's really doesn't like move the needle.

[Host 2]

Right.

[Host 1]

And then there's all the ricochet effects of like, well, you know, maybe we have to do incursions in places that we didn't. We don't have anybody. You know, like, it's just madness. But you can't get Republicans, like, you can't get them to like get there. Like they all think aid is bad and it's 30% and we're just like letting like letting people live high off US tax dollars, which is like, if you look at it is not remotely close to true.

[Luke]

No, it's insane.

[Zach]

We talked about the role of Voice of America in Venezuela last week. You know that there's an information chasm now in Venezuela and now they're getting all of their information from Russia and China. And now we are maybe going to be fighting them over this instead of influencing them in a more positive sense. And I guarantee that those strikes are going to be a hell of a lot more expensive than some fucking radio stations. Right.

[Host 1]

Well, and it's, it may be even to a worse degree in Africa where We are, we are leaving and the Chinese and the Russians are coming in very like resource rich areas. And wars are almost always fought over resources. So like, because let's be honest, our wars in, in Iraq was about oil.

[Host 2]

It was not about anything other than that.

[Tim]

Weapons of mass destruction.

[Host 2]

Really?

[Host 1]

Oh, it'll be dictionary. We'll be greeted as liberators. How did that work out, by the way? And how much did we spend on that? $1 trillion or something?

[Zach]

Still waiting to be greeted as a liberator. Zach, back to the empathy thing. Because like, it's such a good point that, no, just allowing yourself to be ruined by empathy, like that serves nobody right. Like, so don't. You don't want to internalize it. This is something the left struggles with all the time. Is feeling terrible because there's deforestation in Brazil. So that you feel terrible and are worse for it helps nobody. And then your life is just shittier and you're probably less likely to do something useful because you're just like, well, everything's fucked. You know, it's the doom spiral shit that we see so often. But if it does encourage you to, you know, learn, like, is there any, is anyone trying to help this cause? Is there somewhere I can donate money? Can I make a fucking video about it? Can I reshare something? Like, that's all it takes. And so, you know, it's not do I feel bad about this or not, or do I feel empathy for these people or not. It's am I able, am I better informed to take action and support actions being taken to solve this. But it's also, I think we have to call out the role of privilege. Because if you're, if your immediate circles are middle class or upper middle class and like healthy and white and male and straight, like, then it's, then it just happens to be very convenient that by only paying attention to your core circle, you're also just passively perpetuating a whole lot of the, the social problems we have with class and privilege. So yeah, we gotta try to keep that. Just say it out loud. Sometimes I feel like, like keeps me honest.

[Luke]

That's, that's fair. I mean, you know, humans are, I mean, humans are also very group oriented people. It's just like we're describing whose group is, you know, how, how much further outside of your, your, your group can you look and feel, you know, and like. Yeah, I don't know. I think for me it's like personally, Covid was the one where I could point out like, oh, I Actually gave a shit about people suffering from COVID because, like, there's an immediate threat. That's not typical. And you're like, well, we can either. I can either get behind the, like, the right ideas, or I can be a detriment to it and potentially hurt people, because the more people that acted like Republicans, the bigger the opposition voice of the right thing occurs, you know? But then when it gets to smaller issues where it's like, more packed into a tiny little corner, that's where I'm like, you know what? What's my voice? What's the value of my voice? Probably nothing. You know, that's. So I just shy away from that shit.

[Host 1]

And you can't.

[Luke]

The hell.

[Host 1]

We just lost. We lost Zach's video.

[Zach]

The Internet got said.

[Host 2]

Zach, shut the up.

[Host 1]

What the.

[Zach]

Well, speaking of tribalism, why write that.

[Host 1]

Gun didn't even do what I would say. That is, the human brain cannot. You can't process all of the bad.

[Host 2]

That'S happening in the world. Right.

[Host 1]

So I. I understand.

[Host 2]

Right.

[Zach]

I try every day. Yeah.

[Host 2]

Like, you know, I. I mean, there.

[Host 1]

Are so many horrific tragedies.

[Host 2]

Sudan has been in, like, in Civil.

[Host 1]

War for 20, 25 years.

[Host 2]

The Uyghurs in China have been basically in concentration camps and. And. Which China doesn't let anybody talk about. And yeah, there's, like, there's. And like. Or even homelessness in the. In the United States. Right. Like, and I think that people just have to find the things that they can do to help make a difference and feel. Do their little part. But I agree, like, you can't just, like, I hate everything in the world because it's so unfair. It's like, well, but you also have to live your life, and you also have to focus on what you can help. And so you know that, like, I loved seeing so many people when the shutdown occurred. Democrats, by the way, that, like, we're, like, we're going to. We're going to help food.

[Host 1]

Food banks and food pantries and make.

[Host 2]

Sure that there's enough food to pick up the slack. Republicans didn't do that.

[Tim]

Yeah, I was gonna say, you mean. You mean the people that clamor about, you know, pro life? They didn't do that, Tim. They didn't try to work hard to.

[Host 2]

Feed the kids that were going hungry? Well, not yet. Wait, you're to use my money to do that? Hell no. Right?

[Tim]

Like, hell no. Get the fuck away from me.

[Host 2]

I earned everything that I got by the bootstraps. Right? Right. Yeah. It's just Crazy. Well, speaking of crazy, because I'm going to pivot off all this bad news to go to something that is more.

[Zach]

Infuriating than predictably comical news.

[Host 2]

Democrats in disarray in Texas.

[Zach]

Oh, yeah.

[Luke]

Yeah.

[Host 2]

So we now have basically two main set of candidates in the race. James Tellarico's been in for a little while. And then Congresswoman Jasmine Crockett announced that she was running last week and she did this video, this launch video, which was actually very unique and that it was just the profile of her face with Trump saying all kinds of bad things about her. Well, the online left lost their absolute minds and started to accuse her without evidence in some instances of being a shill for AIPAC and taking AIPAC money and loving Israel and hating Gaza. And that James Talarico was the only person in the race that would hold up the like didn't take AIPAC money. Now, of course, most of the rage turned out to not be true. And Jasmine Crockett had an explanation of like, yeah, I voted for a bill that had defensive funds for Israel, but it also had money for Gaza. I also didn't vote for some bills that were specifically aid for Israel. And like, if you look online and Amanda's vile takes, who's our friend and does lots of research in this area, has been banging her head against the wall on threads all weekend, saying, and early late last week, guys, their position is almost the same. There is no daylight. And also, why are we making this the litmus test for a Democratic Senate primary in Texas?

[Luke]

Right? The Middle east really relevant on this one. Right?

[Host 2]

Like, I'm all for, you know, people not taking APAC money and I don't like the group apac, but it feels like there is some, you know, we're attacking a woman of color and there's some anti Semitism going on here and it's bullshit. And. But we're seeing the left tear themselves apart over this race that, by the way, you're going to have to run a perfect straight in order to win that. Like, we would have to do every single thing. Right.

[Zach]

Right.

[Host 2]

Trump has to do every single thing wrong and more wrong than he has already to have a chance at that. So, like, why are Democrats tearing themselves apart over this when there are other races that we don't hear the same thing about? And I'm sure there are similar, you know, positions that candidates have across the country. Like, we haven't heard really about it in Maine, like between Mills and Platter. By the way, Janet Mills will be on on Thursday. But like, what are we doing here?

[Zach]

So, like, the shortest answer is that people don't leave their house enough and they should leave their house more and go do things.

[Tim]

Touching grass.

[Zach]

Touch grass. Roll in it for like a while. Put your phone down the. I do want to go up one click though, because this is something that we heard. Anytime I talk about Gavin Newsom, people are like, he takes APAC money. One he doesn't do a pack, doesn't care about the governor in California. Guys like, they don't. They're not. So, no, first there's that, but also we have to talk about just donations and influence. Because even if everybody got money from somebody that they, that you didn't like, that doesn't mean they're going to go do something to help that organization. Sometimes dollars come in. It might be $5,000 out of 50 million that you raise just because they took money from somebody. If it's not affecting their behavior, if it's not, if it's not changing their votes, if they're not having legislation written for them by super pacs, which is literally what Republicans do, then I just don't really care that much. But then, like, to your point, Tim, there are 737 things that are more important to Texas voters right now probably than whatever is happening in the Middle East. Like 12,000 miles away between two countries who have been. Or two groups of people. Actually like 150 groups of people who have been at some level of war or conflict for 2,000 years. So, right, let's like, like at least stack. Rank your priorities before you choose whether you're gonna vote for Crockett or Talarico, or even worse, like, push out some on the world that's like, this is the 150 reasons why leftists should abandon the primary race in Texas.

[Luke]

Stupid.

[Zach]

Do we learn anything from 2024? Because this happened not that long ago.

[Host 1]

Well, I think what we should learn is not listen to those people too.

[Luke]

Right?

[Host 1]

It's small and loud and so many views, though.

[Zach]

Like those videos go ape.

[Host 1]

They do because they get everybody yelling. And then that's the whole thing, right? All the engagement, the threads is like, oh, jack that up.

[Host 2]

But like, if you, if you are.

[Host 1]

Like, if you want a candidate that you agree with 100 of the time, you're on, you need you. You. You're not in the right country.

[Host 2]

It is impossible.

[Host 1]

Right?

[Host 2]

You're not in the real world.

[Zach]

Compromise is what makes this government work.

[Host 1]

I worked for Barack Obama's campaign when he was against gay marriage. Like, was I supposed to not vote for him because of all the other things like getting out of Iraq and doing all that dumb shit? So I was supposed to vote for Ralph Nader, which is how we got George Bush.

[Luke]

Dumb as shit.

[Zach]

Absolutely.

[Host 1]

But I think what we have to do is just ignore these people because.

[Host 2]

Like, you're right, Zach, they're a small segment. Tiny. And I'm sorry, like, I care deeply.

[Host 1]

About what is happening in Israel and Gaza, but it's not a litmus test for me whether I vote for James Talariko or Jasmine Crockett. First of all, most of us can't vote for any of them, so what does it matter?

[Host 2]

And, but like, I am not going to.

[Host 1]

Like, we, we are in a five.

[Host 2]

Alarm alarm fire here, folks.

[Host 1]

If we don't take Congress back this year. Yeah, next year.

[Host 2]

Excuse me, we're fucked.

[Tim]

We're fiddly fucked.

[Host 2]

We're fucked.

[Host 1]

Like, we need at least the House.

[Host 2]

For investigations and to grind them to.

[Host 1]

A halt, make Donald Trump crazy and make sure that the Democrat becomes president in 2028. But if we're going to have these stupid.

[Host 2]

It is stupid. I'm sorry. And I know there's life at life.

[Host 1]

At risk here, but there's life at.

[Host 2]

Risk in all of these things.

[Host 1]

You can't just be like this one over this one.

[Host 2]

Because where are these people about the.

[Host 1]

Second time the Uyghurs, they don't talk about that. They don't talk about Sudan.

[Host 2]

So it's also selective outrage.

[Host 1]

Even though it is something to be outraged about.

[Zach]

It's like the lowest hanging outrage.

[Host 1]

Stupid.

[Host 2]

Here's.

[Luke]

Oh, sorry, go ahead.

[Zach]

So I just got to get this in because I did a video about it and so it's top of my mind.

[Host 1]

Yeah.

[Zach]

If you are torn as to whether people should rally behind Crockett or Talarico, consider this very important fact. It is extremely likely, extremely likely that Samuel Alito and probably Terrence Thomas, Clarence Thomas, both will announce their retirement in the second two years of Trump's tenure. And the reason why is because both of those guys are going to be 79 and 81 when the next president is sworn in. It is extremely likely Democrats are win the White House in the next cycle. And if they even do a remotely decent job, it'll mean a Democratic president will be in charge of nominations to the supreme court.

[Luke]

Yep.

[Zach]

Until 2037. If that's the case, then you're looking at Clarence Thomas and Samuel Alito having a two year window for their replacement to get through the Senate or they're going to be replaced by a Democrat unless they can work into their fucking 90s. And that is even, even if they can, their egos might, like, might carry them that far.

[Tim]

Their bodies might fail them, but they.

[Zach]

But they might not be able to serve.

[Host 2]

Yes.

[Zach]

And so they are probably banking on the Republicans holding the Senate so that they can announce those after all of these fucking trash decisions go through.

[Luke]

Yes.

[Zach]

If we steal the Senate against all the odds, then it puts them in a really, really, really difficult position. And John Roberts is not that much farther behind. He's going to be 75 when the next president is sworn in. That's the Chief Justice. So we're talking about three Supreme Court seats that we'll have to go through probably in the next 10 years. And that 10 year clock starts really right now as soon as we start picking our candidates for the Senate. Well, that's why deal with all your shit because we could put Roe vs. Wade back into play real fucking quick if we had the 6, 3 Supreme Court majority.

[Host 2]

That is 100% yes. Right. Like, are you real? I keep seeing this. I think it's, I think it's a fair amount of Russian bots people like.

[Host 1]

But if they don't agree with me on Gaza, I'm not voting.

[Host 2]

I'm like. And you are.

[Host 1]

First of all, you're a idiot.

[Host 2]

And second of all, you're not paying attention to anything. You're going to take one issue and.

[Host 1]

You'Re going to basically let John Cornyn.

[Host 2]

Or worse, Ken Paxton just roll in. Or we can win, not steel rich, win a, a seat that we shouldn't, which gives us a much better chance at even, even if one of them retires in the second, the second half.

[Host 1]

Of the second term, if we have.

[Host 2]

The, if we have a 51, 49 Democrat, he's gonna have to, he, either.

[Host 1]

He won't get it because they won't.

[Host 2]

Put it through, or it's gonna have.

[Host 1]

To be somebody more moderate, which is.

[Host 2]

A win as well.

[Zach]

Yeah, I think we have to worry.

[Host 2]

About John Fetterman, but let's.

[Zach]

Merrick Garland those people, just give them the merit garden.

[Host 1]

Oh, Merrick Garland.

[Host 2]

Two years son.

[Zach]

Could you imagine his true social posts if Congress was owned entirely by Democrats and there was like a seven votes.

[Host 2]

On the, There's a precedence. There's, there's, there's precedence for it. So it's like, okay, Mitch McConnell did this. Now Chuck, if you're listening out there, Chuck Schumer, who probably will still be the majority leader for the rest of this term. If you don't do this, there is going to be a mutiny in the Democratic Party. So you damn well better gum the out of that.

[Zach]

This is the redemption arc for Trump, for Chuck Schumer.

[Tim]

Take your dentures out and gum that.

[Zach]

Oh, can we just stand there? Let's just end right there.

[Host 2]

There's nothing else.

[Zach]

I mean, that's a. Buy a hoodie.

[Host 1]

Perfect.

[Zach]

Buy a hoodie.

[Host 2]

But it is stupid and I hope people. But I also, I caution people to avoid engaging with it because. And I've fallen trapped to this a few times, but like, you're just, you're just amplifying them. And it is not a large group of people.

[Luke]

Yeah, it's pretty small. Just even people who will agree with it will still go and vote the majority of the time. It's a very small group of people that actually won't do it. But I think the, like, the plus side of all this is it's two really good candidates. Like, I like, they'll both be way better than Beto o' Rourke was. I mean, that's for sure.

[Host 2]

I mean, his first run, he did really well.

[Luke]

He did well. But like, I just, I don't, I think he's just like a phony and I just don't think that plays really well. Like, especially in Texas, they really, like, you know, Ted Cruz is the phoniest.

[Zach]

Person in the world.

[Luke]

I was gonna say it's, you know, but like.

[Host 2]

It'S a plus. It's a plus 14. Right. Isn't exactly plus 14 or 12. It is a mountain decline.

[Zach]

No, we need to run up huge margins in cities. We need, we need really good people. I just saw somebody describe, they said Texas is not a red state. It's a non voting state. And because, because the Texas legislature has made it incredibly difficult for people to vote freely and fairly and as quickly as possible. And so they've suppressed millions and millions of, of mainly, you know, working class voters in the big cities. When you look at the number of big cities in Texas, it looks a lot like the other big blue states where you're like, how is this a red state? We just got to get those people out to vote. And so whether it's Talarico or Crockett, hopefully they expose some issues without getting really horrific in the primary battle. And then one endorses the other, whoever wins, and then they shore it up real quick. That will happen because we can. I agree. I. They're both smart enough to know what's at Stake here and what needs to happen. We just need to, as a movement, not shoot ourselves in the foot. With our very first shot at doing something good coming out of 2024, there.

[Host 1]

Is a standing invitation to both State Senator Telorico and Congresswoman.

[Host 2]

Oh, my God.

[Tim]

Damn, dude.

[Host 1]

Been gone all week.

[Zach]

Charlie and the Island. What? Who's Charlie Epstein? For Charlie Epstein to come on.

[Host 1]

Well, then maybe. Maybe this is the time we're gonna wrap. Chris had a daycare thing, so there's just the four of us. I think we're starting to move towards rambling, so I think this is a good time to talk about our merchandise. This very lovely sweater. Sweater. Sweater.

[Host 2]

Jesus Christ.

[Host 1]

I'm falling apart. I gotta get out of this show.

[Zach]

Do you want somebody to take over for you?

[Host 2]

Yeah.

[Zach]

Yeah.

[Host 1]

Who wants to do it? Who wants to do it?

[Tim]

I don't have a shirt on. Can't do it.

[Zach]

I don't have a shirt on. I just. I'm just trying to make it Tim. So everybody, if you like being awesome. Tim's not wearing a sweater. He's wearing a beautiful hoodie. Can you. Can you stand up since you're not.

[Tim]

Talking style that brother just.

[Zach]

Yeah. Maybe spin around a little bit. It's kind of blurry. The logo's clear in real life. We promise. So get. Get yourself a Find out hoodie. If people bought one, like, on Tuesday, December 16, would it get there for Christmas? Like, if they wanted to buy the. You know, like a cousin.

[Host 1]

They go pretty fast.

[Zach]

Yeah. You know what else? Usually. Okay, yeah.

[Host 1]

You know what's the. What's maybe better than Christmas presents? Christmas presents that arrive later and you get to do Christmas again.

[Luke]

I like that. I do love those.

[Tim]

Late Christmas presents are actually kind of fun.

[Zach]

Yeah.

[Luke]

Yep. Keep the season going.

[Zach]

All right, Rich break. What else do I subscribe to? Our substack. Right? It's like something we have. Do we have a substack? Oh, my God. It's find out at no domain.subs.info. what is it?

[Host 1]

Oh, if you are interested in supporting.

[Tim]

Us with a membership, Find out podcast dot com.

[Luke]

There you go.

[Zach]

Is it the Find out podcast or.

[Luke]

Just find Out Find out podcast substack?

[Zach]

All right, Find out podcast.

[Host 1]

If you guys don't Even know the URLs, are you telling.

[Tim]

Mine would send them to the merch selling things.

[Host 1]

Okay, okay. Where do you buy merch?

[Tim]

Find out podcast.com. it takes you right to the merch store.

[Zach]

Okay.

[Host 1]

That's where you get your. Your beautiful merch, both in black and White. Someone asked us for a sweater the other day. Maybe that's what was in my head. Someone said, could. Are there find out sweaters? Because someone actually said, I can't wear a hoodie at work. I could wear a sweater. I don't know if that's.

[Luke]

I like a good sweater.

[Host 1]

I mean, who doesn't.

[Zach]

Five Faces, ugly Christmas sweater.

[Luke]

Like, interesting.

[Zach]

Blow them out, like, make it big.

[Host 1]

I don't think that's what this person.

[Zach]

Was talking about, but no, that's what I'm talking about.

[Host 1]

No. So, guys, you can buy your merchandise there, spread the word about the podcast. You can get the [e-mail]. no one's gonna follow me.

[Luke]

I mean, I did it already. I already.

[Host 1]

Repetition matters, though. What you're selling, you got.

[Luke]

No, no, I'm trying to wait. I did. Did my lesson get, you know, absorbed? That's what I'm.

[Host 1]

Well, Rich and Luke don't know the.

[Tim]

URLs for any of our find out podcast.stuff.com.

[Host 1]

There we go. Bam. There we go. So you could do those guys.

[Host 2]

MySpace.

[Host 1]

Yeah, still my favorite social app of.

[Host 2]

All time, but that's a whole lot.

[Zach]

Pretty good.

[Host 1]

Anyways, thank you all for listening today. Sorry we were a little off the rails at the end.

[Zach]

No one's listening anymore.

[Host 1]

Now on Thursday, we are going to be joined with, with by Governor Janet Mills, who is from my home state of Maine. And we are very excited to talk about. And I gotta ask her. She did a, A ski, A ski shot in front of the Humane University, I think, with a bunch of guys. So we gotta ask her, like, you know, you put the shot glasses on a ski and then you and she, like, she jumped right in and downed.

[Host 2]

With the rest of them.

[Host 1]

So we're gonna have fun on Thursday, I think. I don't think she'll be drinking, but, you know, she's. I, I, you should. Yeah, I don't know if we should do these tipsy. That might be a bad idea.

[Zach]

That could be a new show.

[Host 1]

It could.

[Host 2]

That's true. We couldn't get a new person.

[Host 1]

Anyways, Janet Mills will be with us. Governor Janet Mills will be with us on Thursday. Until then, hopefully Trump doesn't drive you too crazy and try to ignore him as much as possible.

[Host 2]

And we'll talk to you in a couple days. Bye, everybody.