2 National Guard Troops Shot In DC, Suspect In Custody

Summary

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The Five — Detailed Episode Summary

Date: November 27, 2025
Episode: 2 National Guard Troops Shot In DC, Suspect In Custody
Podcast: The Five (FOX News Podcasts)

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Episode Overview

This episode centers on the breaking news of two National Guard members being shot near the White House in Washington, D.C. The panel discusses the incident, speculates on motives and repercussions, and places it within the broader debate over National Guard deployment in major U.S. cities. The second half transitions into political analysis–from Democratic Party leadership struggles to late-night TV politics–before closing with lighter personal updates.

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Key Segments & Timestamps

[00:38] News Alert: Shooting in DC — What We Know

• FBI Director Cash Patel announced two West Virginia National Guard members were shot in a targeted attack about a mile from the White House. Both are in critical condition.
• The suspect, acting alone, is now in custody and was also injured in the exchange.
• The area was less crowded due to the holiday, but there were bystanders and building witnesses. Law enforcement responded rapidly and exchanged gunfire before subduing the assailant.

Notable Quote:

“Officials are calling this a targeted attack... it was not a multiple group attack, but instead one person who was taken into custody, but also was shot.” — Mark Meredith [02:10]

Confusion Over Victim Status:

• Conflicting reports circulated, with Patrick Morrissey, Governor of West Virginia, prematurely stating the Guardsmen had died before retracting.
• The exact condition of the wounded Guardsmen remained unclear during the broadcast.

Political Responses:

• President Trump made a strong social media statement: “...this animal would be brought to justice, and that he would make sure the full resources of the federal government would ensure that justice is served.” [03:12, paraphrased by Mark Meredith]
• Broad bipartisan expressions of support and prayers from lawmakers.

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[05:03] National Reflection and Policy Discussion

• Audio clip from Vice President J.D. Vance highlights national gratitude for service members and hope for their recovery.

Quote:

“Let me just say, very personally, thank them for what they’re doing. We’re grateful to them and we’re praying that they’re going to be safe, and they’re going to spend Thanksgiving with their families. God bless them.” — J.D. Vance [05:32]

• Mark Meredith notes that the attack will not deter the Trump administration from continued deployments:

“Secretary Hegseth saying today that they’re going to send even more resources... that D.C. is going to be cleaned up and that these attacks on service members will not be tolerated.” [06:07]

• Debate Around National Guard Presence:
  • Mark Meredith describes visible Guard presence throughout D.C., especially near key corridors and metro stations.
  • He notes that public protest over the Guard’s deployment has diminished and most residents have come to accept their role.

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[08:53] Panel: Reactions, Policies, and Political Tensions

• Guy Benson expresses outrage:

“It felt like two different guardsmen getting shot made the likelihood of this being random very low. ... This was a targeted attack. That is outrageous. It is infuriating.” [09:23]

• Guy and Mark agree: Guard presence has sharply reduced violent crime, despite political controversy and local activist hostility.

• Brian Kilmeade emphasizes:

  • The unique danger posed as National Guard are “the most well-armored law enforcement officials you can target.”
  • Assaults on federal agents have skyrocketed by over 1000% since their increased deployment:

    “There’s an increase in assaults on these agents—up 1,115%.” [11:46]

• Political Context (Lisa Booth):

  • Points to prior high-profile violence in DC as reasons for federalizing police/Guard.
  • Criticizes Democratic “soft on crime” policies and the narrative that law enforcement are the “bad guys.”
  • Sees a throughline from Ferguson (2014) to current polarization and targeting of police and federal agents.

Lisa Booth highlights:

“I’m tired of those enforcing law enforcement having targets on their backs... Now is that same narrative being applied to our National Guardsmen as well?” [14:03]

• Jimmy Fala cautions against escalating rhetoric:

“If you don’t agree with what a president’s doing, you’re not supposed to shoot, you’re supposed to vote.” [15:12]

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[16:38] Expert Interview: Former NYPD Inspector Paul Morrow

• Paul Morrow explains immediate law enforcement priorities:

  • Incident Command must be unified for information sharing
  • Key is rapid identification of the suspect and investigation of possible group affiliations or further threat
  • Social media often sows confusion in fast-moving investigations:

    “Of the first 100 reports in a situation like this, 99 are going to be wrong.” [19:01]

• Motive & Charges:

  • Given federal land and signs of political targeting, he expects terrorism charges (“you have a much lower bar to get a CT charge, terrorism charge, in D.C. because it’s all federal land”). [22:25]

• Notes loss and sadness among law enforcement about rising attacks on Guard, citing statistics:

  • 238 ICE agents and 40 Border Patrol agents assaulted in past four months, but no National Guard until now [20:19]

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[24:22] Segment Shift: National Political Themes

Democratic Party Leadership Vacuum:

• James Carville: Democrats lack a clear leader and won’t have one until nominating a 2028 presidential candidate.
• Eric Swalwell (paraphrased): The “bench” is deep, likens party to the Avengers, with various up-and-coming figures.
• Guy Benson & Jimmy Fala: Skeptical, point out lack of clear message and compare internal fighting to past Republican turmoil.

Lisa Booth:

“Democrats aren’t going to have a leader until the 2028 presidential election. Who was the leader of the Republican Party after Mitt Romney got smoked by former President Obama?... But one area of concern for Republicans... Democrats are more motivated right now than Republicans.” [26:28]

Jessica Tarlov:

“You say we don’t have a leader of the party... We do have a message. It’s affordability however it shows up in your state or your district.” [30:22]

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[32:47] Late Night Politics & Fundraising

• “Seditious Six” Democrats & Late Night TV:

  • Mark Kelly and others use their opposition to Trump National Guard policies as a springboard for fundraising and media appearances (Jimmy Kimmel, etc.).
  • Critics claim this is more about PR than meaningful dissent.

• Jimmy Fala:

  “A late night comedian’s job is ... to put you to bed with a smile on your face. Instead, you’re getting the fascists are here. Good night, everybody.” [35:18]

• Lisa Booth & Guy Benson express disappointment in Mark Kelly’s actions and the blurring of political and military ethics.

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[38:42] Media Criticism: Trump’s Stamina vs. Biden

• NYT Article Questions Trump’s Energy — Panel dismisses this as biased overreach.

• Lisa Booth:

  “I think Brian Kilmeade is probably the only one that could keep up with President Trump’s energy levels. But Biden spent like 40% of his presidency on vacation...” [39:18]

• Brian Kilmeade:

  • Defends Trump’s work ethic, citing late-night and early-morning phone calls:

    “I’ve spoken to him at five in the morning and he’s wide awake.” [39:51]

• Jessica Tarlov provides balance:

  “The guy is aging. He is an old man. ... I would be dozing off. I totally get it.” [40:40]

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[41:57] Closing: “One More Thing” (Personal Updates)

• Guy Benson: Celebrates his son’s 2nd birthday.
• Jimmy Fala: Stand up tour updates; quips about Vegas and blackjack.
• Brian Kilmeade: Announces new show dates and upcoming programs.
• Closing friendly banter sums up the more contentious earlier discussions with good-natured humor.

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Notable Quotes

• Mark Meredith [02:10]: “Officials are calling this a targeted attack... one person who was taken into custody, but also was shot.”
• Jessica Tarlov [05:43]: “That was exactly the right sentiment. ... you see that being echoed from members of both parties.”
• Guy Benson [09:23]: “It is infuriating. ...I go out of my way to thank these men and women when I see them out just because they’ve been put in this position …”
• Brian Kilmeade [11:46]: “There’s an increase in assaults on these agents—up 1,115%.”
• Jimmy Fala [15:14]: “If you don’t agree with what a president’s doing, you’re not supposed to shoot, you’re supposed to vote.”

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Episode Tone

• Urgent, somber, and patriotic in the wake of the shooting
• Politically charged debate over law enforcement, Guard deployments, and crime
• Critical of “soft on crime” narratives, with concern for law enforcement safety
• Occasional humor and camaraderie break tension, especially in the final segments

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Summary for New Listeners

This episode of The Five delivers a real-time response and multifaceted discussion to a tragic attack on National Guard troops in Washington, D.C. The panel mixes breaking news updates, on-the-ground reporting, and sharp commentary on the motives, broader implications, and political ramifications of the event.

The conversation quickly broadens to analyze the deployment of the National Guard, escalating assaults on law enforcement, and whether political rhetoric is fueling violence. Law enforcement insight from a former NYPD inspector adds context to investigative challenges and legal expectations in a rapidly developing case.

Political banter about party leadership, media bias, and late-night TV serve as a palate cleanser after the heavy initial segment, offering pointed (sometimes humorous) criticisms across the political spectrum before concluding with lighter personal anecdotes by the hosts.

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This summary covers all major discussions, notable quotes, and presents a clear structure with timestamps, making it ideal for those who want a comprehensive guide to the episode without listening to the full broadcast.

Transcript

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[Brian Kilmeade]

Yeah, probably there in a second.

[Guy Benson]

Yeah, yeah.

[Brian Kilmeade]

Scrambling all day.

[Jessica Tarlov]

Okay.

[Brian Kilmeade]

But it looks like there's one gunman coming around the corner. It seems as though they knew exactly. Seeming. So he knows exactly what he was doing, Jessica.

[Jessica Tarlov]

Absolutely. We have Mark now. So, Mark, when you're ready.

[Mark Meredith]

I'm sorry, guys. I know we're having some communication. I can. I can hear you loud and clear, guys. Moments ago, we heard from the FBI Director, Cash Patel, who said this was a targeted attack on two members of the West Virginia National Guard who were serving in the nation's capital as part of the mission to clean up DC this is a mission that has been underway from several months. We have seen Guards members come from all over the country at their governor's orders to deploy these resources. And officials are calling this a targeted attack. Moments ago, we heard from D.C. mayor Muriel Bowser, who said this was horrific, that they're deploying all the resources that she has at her disposal. But what was also very clear about this is that this person appeared to have acted alone, that this wasn't a Multiple group attack, but instead one person who was taken into custody but also was shot. No indication yet what the weapon was that was being used in this attack. But there's also been a lot of confusion, Jessica, about the condition of these two National Guards members. If you've been watching FOX all afternoon, like the other media outlets, we reported the news of the governor of West Virginia, Patrick Morrissey, who had said that those Guards members have died. He then retracted that statement on social media, saying he, too, was getting conflicting information in a breaking news story. Of course, that's to be expected here, but we also noticed in the news conference from moments ago that they did not address specifically the conditions of those two service members, but also to mention that the suspect was taken. President Trump has been very active on social media talking about this attack. I was just reading one of his most recent posts in which he said, and this is where I do it in real time for you here. He basically put up and said that this was a horrific attack, that this animal would be brought to justice, and that he would make sure that the full resources of the federal government would ensure that justice is served. We're also hearing, Jessica, from the entire congressional delegations from all over the country. They're offering their prayers and support. But it has been quite controversial to have these national guard members in D.C. so far. The lawmakers that I've seen on social media offering statements have instead putting the thoughts and prayers for those that were injured and not focusing on the controversy of this service to begin with. We are also waiting to see if we'll get any update from the DC Hospitals about the conditions. We've been trying to piece together where these service members were taken. The shooting happened just about two blocks away from where I'm standing about 2:45 this afternoon. It was the Farragut West Metro stop. That is a stop station that has three different train lines. Normally on a weekday, you can imagine right near the White House, it would be packed, but because it's a holiday, foot traffic was not nearly as crowded. But there were people who witnessed this and also from the buildings above. I heard from a source who was able to send me some of the photos from what they could see from their vantage point from up high. And all you could see was a sea of shattered glass because of the amount of gunfire that was exchanged not only between this gunman who took down these two service members, but but also the responding officers, the responding National Guard members that were able to get this person into custody. In terms of motive, we do not know yet, except again, that they're calling this targeted. They are making it indicative that this was not something that was completely random. But we don't have that motive yet or an idea of what necessarily all the charges that person will eventually face if and when they get out of the hospital. Jessica?

[Jessica Tarlov]

Yes. So we have some sound from J.D. vance from a little while ago that I'd love to play.

[Brian Kilmeade]

It's a somber reminder that soldiers, whether.

[Mark Meredith]

They'Re active duty, reserve or National Guard.

[Jimmy Fala]

Our soldiers are the sword and the.

[Brian Kilmeade]

Shield of the United States of America. And as a person who goes into work every single day in that building and knows that there are a lot.

[Mark Meredith]

Of people who wear the uniform of.

[Brian Kilmeade]

The United States army, let me just.

[Mark Meredith]

Say, very personally thank them for what they're doing. We're grateful to them and we're praying.

[Brian Kilmeade]

That they're going to be safe and they're going to spend Thanksgiving with their families.

[Mark Meredith]

God bless them.

[Jessica Tarlov]

So that was exactly the right sentiment. It was good to hear from the vice president. And you see that being echoed from members of both parties and the various delegations. Mark, what did you make of what J.D. vance said?

[Mark Meredith]

Absolutely. The vice president taking time, as he was actually on the ground at Fort Campbell, Kentucky, to thank service members for what they're doing, taking the chance to pay his respects. And thanks to those service members that are out there. And Jessica, I think the other caveat to all this is that this is not going to deter the Trump administration, they say, from continuing this mission of trying to clean up and send a message that the nation's capital will be protected. Secretary Hegseth saying today that they're going to send even more resources to make sure that people know that D.C. is going to be cleaned up and that these attacks on service members will not be tolerated. How quickly we'll see those additional deployments, we just don't know yet. DC DC's mayor, Muriel Bowser, who we heard from at the news conference, has had to walk a fine line here from supporting cleaning up the effort to clean up DC but also whether or not people actually want to see the National Guard troops on the streets of D.C. she just announced yesterday, Jessica, she's not even going to run for reelection. It's been quite a controversial year here in D.C. but across the aisle from House members, senators, we are seeing thoughts and prayers pour in for these people that have put their lives on the lines to protect the nation's capital.

[Brian Kilmeade]

So, Mark, let me ask you, when you walk around D.C. is it pretty understood where the Cops are Border patrol agents. And where the National Guard is, for example, do they have similar assignments or they just randomly.

[Mark Meredith]

I spot the national guard all throughout D.C. you also see them wearing HSI vests like high security incident people that you could tell are directed just to help out with this federal mission. I saw them. Last time I saw them was on Sunday evening. I live near H Street, which is kind of a popular corridor here in D.C. around 5 o', clock, I saw three of them walking. I even thanked them for their service because there's been all these questions about how long this will go on for. It is they're away from their families on a holiday weekend. But you do if you are in a high Traffic area of D.C. 8 street metro stations, Union Station, which is our big train station here, you will see them. You know, right when the deployments happened, we saw a number of protests. We, we saw a very small amount of people that would say they were going to bang pots and pans and say we don't want you here.

[Guy Benson]

We.

[Mark Meredith]

I haven't seen that lately. Instead, D.C. residents, and again, I am one of them, have come to terms to accept that these people are here are to do a job to protect the rest of us. And obviously these people are not going to be going away anytime soon. Whether we see additional changes to their security posture. Do we see, Brian, people with more weapons? We don't know yet. But they're going to see a surge of additional troops coming from I imagine, not just West Virginia, but all across the country.

[Brian Kilmeade]

Brian, they have 500 more.

[Jessica Tarlov]

Yep. Mark, thank you so much. Appreciate it. So I want to take this around the table. A truly heartbreaking day and hopeful that the two National Guard members who are in critical condition are going to make it through. We have Thanksgiving tomorrow. Really puts all of this in perspective. They're supposed to be at home with their families. Guy, D.C. is home for you too. You were there just this morning on your way to come up here to join us. What are your thoughts?

[Guy Benson]

Well, it's heartbreaking. That's right. But it's also sickening that this would happen. And it would be sickening any day of the year, but especially right before such a family centric holiday. It's just so senseless. And when the initial reports came out, it's always important to be careful and not get over your skis. We still have a lot of questions here that need to be answered, but it felt like two different guardsmen getting shot made the likelihood of this being random very low. And then getting the Confirmation in that press conference. This was a targeted attack. That is outrageous. It is infuriating. And there will be a discussion in this country about the policy to have the national guard deployed in D.C. there are questions that could be legitimate about whether this is sustainable in the long term. I will tell you, living there, working there much of the time, it is indisputable that violent crime is down dramatically because of their presence. Just like Mark Meredith just said, I go out of my way to thank these men and women when I see them out just because they've been put in this position and they've gotten a lot of hostility from some local activists and some politicians. So I want to thank them for their service. And to have something like this happen on a day like this or any day, it just makes my blood boil and my heart sink. And we of course join in those prayers for the well being of these two guardsmen who reportedly at this hour are fighting for their lives.

[Jessica Tarlov]

Yeah, we have some sound. I want to play Secretary of War Pete Hegseth talking about extra troops that are going to be dispatched to D.C.

[Mark Meredith]

President Trump has asked me, and I will ask the Secretary of the army to the national guard to add 500.

[Brian Kilmeade]

Additional troops, National Guardsmen to Washington D.C.

[Mark Meredith]

This will only stiffen our resolve to ensure that we make Washington D.C. safe and beautiful. The drop in crime has been historic. The increase in safety and security has been historic. But if criminals want to conduct things like this violence against America's best, we will never back down.

[Jessica Tarlov]

So we have that response from the Secretary of War, Brian. We also have President Trump weighing in saying this animal is going to be brought to justice. Rapidly developing story. But what are your thoughts right now?

[Brian Kilmeade]

Well, number one, out of the border Patrol they could target. Out of the cops they could target. Out of ice they could target. They targeted the most well armored law enforcement officials you can and that is the National Guard. So I've never seen a National Guard person without a vest on. You know, they look like they're armored up. That's what the criticism from some say, well, I don't want that look on my streets. I mean, we don't know what happened. But if these guardsmen are able to survive, maybe it's because they were wearing those vests and were armored up. The other thing is as this guy comes around the corner, by all descriptions, he was looking for the National Guard. My point to Mark was, did you know, is there a certain area in which they patrol? You might know a guy where if a gunman said, I want to go after the National Guard. This is the time to do it.

[Guy Benson]

Metro?

[Brian Kilmeade]

Yeah, the Metro. So you know where the National Guard is and where they're not. So he comes around a corner to shoot two National Guardsmen and there was enough around to quickly, quickly neutralize that person, if some of the video that we just saw is correct. But overall, I just asked the brain room and just about what has happened over the last four months since in major cities, the National Guard has been put into play along with the Border Patrol and ice. And there's an increase in assaults on these agents, up 1,115%. And you have these politicians saying they're the bad guys and National Guard doesn't belong here. So anyone on the edge, anyone unbalanced, anyone who feels as though they are getting hurt by this, by having security, I know, it's mind boggling. This is the time to act. On some weird, twisted level, this guy probably feels like he's a hero.

[Jessica Tarlov]

Yeah. Hopefully we'll find out more about what the exact motive was. We do know that it was targeted, obviously. And Brian brings up a kind of political debate that's been going on around dispatching the National Guard to American cities. The D.C. case is different though, because Donald Trump is actually in charge of DC versus a chicag, Chicago or Los Angeles. But Lisa, how do you see the political debate at this moment and where do you think it goes from here? Because I would imagine at just the time when we need the temperature to come down, it's about to get a lot hotter in here.

[Lisa Booth]

Yeah, I mean, I think we're all sick to our stomachs right now, right before Thanksgiving. I just, I pray for these Guardsmen that they survive. I pray for their families right now who are probably hoping to, you know, maybe see them tomorrow for Thanksgiving. And now they're fighting for their lives. I mean, look, the whole reason President Trump federalized the D.C. police and deployed the National Guard was because we saw a series of high profile crime incidents in Washington, D.C. you had two Israeli embassy staffers executed in cold blood. You had a congressional intern murdered. You had a Democrat member of Congress, an armed carjacking that happened to him. Senator Rand Paul had a staffer who was stabbed. So that's why President Trump ended up federalizing the D.C. police and also deploying the National Guard. But it's also soft on crime policies that have been led by Democrats in places like Washington, D.C. and I'm sorry, but I'm angry because I'm tired of those enforcing law enforcement having targets on their backs. And you can go back to Ferguson in 2014 with the whole hands up, don't shoot lie with Michael Brown. That, by the way, President Obama helped push that sort of appended or criminal justice system that turned criminals into victims, victims into criminals. And then that same playbook got extended to ICE agents and Border Patrol as well. They were called the Gestapo. And then now some of these officers and agents have bounties on their head. Secretary Noem has told us to be kidnapped or to be murdered as well. We saw attacks and attempted assassination in Dallas. And I'm sad because we're being told now that this was a target attack against the National Guardsmen. So now is that same narrative being applied to our National Guardsmen as well? So I'm sorry, it's disgusting. We do need to tone down the temperature, but we also need to be honest and. And we need to stop, or those on the left need to stop putting a target on the people who put on a uniform or put on a badge to protect our nation and our communities.

[Jimmy Fala]

Jimmy, at the risk of oversimplifying this, and I'm kind of embarrassed to have to say it, if you don't agree with what a president's doing, you're not.

[Paul Morrow]

Supposed to shoot, you're supposed to vote.

[Jimmy Fala]

Okay? That's what this is all about. There's been this slandering of men and women in uniform. We're a week removed from Melissa Slotkin saying, you know, these guys might get nervous out there and start shooting at civilians. And the idea that they've been portrayed as Gestapo and everything in between, again, I don't wanna have that nasty conversation, but you can't avoid the fact that these guys got shot in the same week that we were just told they might be condemning sedition. You know, and there's been all kinds of terrible things going on. So my frustration is everybody telling you they're trying to protect this democracy has kind of upended the will of a president that people voted for this. The troops are breaking recruitment numbers right now because people support this agenda. The people who don't have slandered the people in uniform, they're getting shot. The whole just disgust me.

[Jessica Tarlov]

All right, there is more to come on the horrific shooting of two National Guard members in D.C. after this.

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[Guy Benson]

The Fox News alert as we continue to cover this horrific situation developing in our nation's capital, where two National Guard troops were shot near the White House. That was in D.C. this afternoon. They are reportedly in critical condition, both of them at this hour. We are praying for them, of course. And with that, let's bring in former NYPD inspector, our colleague Paul Mora, who's been all over this today. Paul, we only have so much information. So in your experience, let me ask you this. We're already starting to have conversations and speculation about motive and why this happened. There are people working diligently, I'd imagine, especially with a suspect in custody, to determine what actually happened here and why. What does that process look like?

[Paul Morrow]

So right now, there's a panoply of agencies in Washington, D.C. we all know that they're all running around down there very often not perfectly talking to each other, et cetera. It's crucial now that somebody takes incident commander role. Okay, Right now it looks like it's the chief of the Washington pd, Metro pd. You got to get one person in charge, make sure everybody's pulling together and make sure that all the intel that's being pulled in goes into one repository. So you get a very quick. You don't want to find out later on that the Capitol Police had something that Metro PD didn't know about. And the Parks Police, which is a very, very muscular. They have a very wide presence. Their jurisdiction is the whole city. You want to make sure that everybody, never mind the Bureau and all the federal agencies want to get all that stuff in because, look, we assume by now he's identified. You can bring a print machine right to the scene and print them right there and see what you get back. But you don't know, if he doesn't have records and they don't have any idea on him, you might not know who he is yet. So you're working off a facial rec and things like that. You got to make sure that everybody's pulling together so that somebody far flung doesn't have something that's crucial right now because, remember, we don't know that he acted alone. He might have a whole group behind him. And you want to make sure right now that safety is insured.

[Jessica Tarlov]

Brian.

[Brian Kilmeade]

Yeah, go ahead.

[Paul Morrow]

Yes.

[Jessica Tarlov]

Oh, I was just curious. Obviously, you know, fast moving, not a ton of information right now, we saw the governor of West Virginia put out a statement that the guardsman had passed away. Then that was retracted. Hopefully we'll stay on that side of it. Can you talk a little bit? You just said the incident commander has to take responsibility for it and be the mouthpiece for this. But with social media, I mean, we're seeing images that may or may not be the shooter. We're seeing broken glass that may or may not be from now or a year ago. Can you talk about the impact of social media on these kinds of investigations?

[Paul Morrow]

So one of the things we always say is that of the first 100 reports in a situation like this, 99 are going to be wrong. And that's not just the media. That's even on the law enforcement side. Why? Because everybody wants to do the right thing. Everybody wants to pitch in on something horrific like this. Sometimes the best thing to do is to not run towards the gunshots, right, and take a step back as long as the situation is secure. That applies in the social media world as well. These days, every law enforcement agency, especially the ones down in D.C. i was mentioning earlier, the head of intel for the Capitol Police used to work for me. He's a really, really sharp guy. He's in. All his people are going to be in. All these agencies are saying, hey, guys, we know you had plans for Thanksgiving. Those plans are over. And nobody's going to say no. And if you do say no, and you're the commanding officer and you hear that, you say, well, you're going to be in a new assignment starting tomorrow, pal, and you better pick one, and you're not going to like it. You got to get everybody in right now. And one of the things they're doing is to scrape social media, especially if they have an identifier, if you have a face. We did this with the Boston Marathon shooting. We had so little to go on. We spent all night trying to do a facial rec. Was very much in its infancy then. The video wasn't great. It was from Lord and Taylor or one of those department stores of it. We had so many false leads, nobody went home. People were sleeping under their desks. You got to try to ID that person. And social media could be the key. But once you have them, the social media is going to be crucial for motive.

[Brian Kilmeade]

Paul, what does it tell you? That there's two. Over the last four months, 238 ICE agents have been assaulted, 40 Border Patrol agents assaulted, 18 use of force incidents, but really nothing on the National Guard the way that's described to us in that press conference. This guy came around the corner, knew exactly what he wanted, shot guys with bulletproof vests on who are clearly well armed. So if I'm to give you those facts, what are some of the things that pop into your mind?

[Paul Morrow]

First of all, and you know, look, I don't like to speculate too, too much, but you got to admit the possibility here of this being something of a suicide mission. Because my understanding was that there were not a lot of National Guard around. Right. So you got to say to yourself, he comes in shooting, he's got to know this is going to be a tough thing to do.

[Brian Kilmeade]

Walk around with rifles.

[Paul Morrow]

Exactly. I was just down in D.C. it was middle of the night too, and I saw two of them. It was on one of those Independence Avenue, one of those things they got down there. I had to say to them, there they are on patrol at three the morning, two, three in the morning, and it's pouring rain. They're in rain slickers. And I thank them because that omnipresence is what they're there for. People misunderstand the role. They're not down there booming dogs answering 911 calls. They are there as a deterrent. It's purely prophylactic. People see them. We've had people forget this New York since 9 11. We've had them in New York 25 years. There's been no issues just in the subway. And Kathy Hochul, our governor, Democratic governor, has them, a thousand of them in the subways. She credits them with a 40% drop. And you haven't heard any incidents of them tackling people or shooting any, Anybody unlike what we've been hearing from Melissa Slotkin, that the shots could be going the other way. So yeah, you're right. You see the violence that's coming in, it's all going in one direction from where I see and you know, tease it out. We just heard that the, the judge down in D.C. said, okay, this is an illegal deployment. All right? Now she stated, but if you're sitting as a recipient, it's going to be appeal. It's going to be appealed and she's going to lose in my estimation as a lawyer. But I got to tell you, I mean if you're sitting on the, on the recipient end of this seditious six, as everybody's calling them, and you hear that ruling, you say, oh yeah, see, it is illegal. I'm not going. These National Guardsmen don't do that. They were out there.

[Lisa Booth]

We're going to see Federal charges, What do you think those will look like?

[Paul Morrow]

I think it's going to go terrorism myself. You have a much lower bar to get a CT charge, terrorism charge in D.C. because it's all federal land. It's going to come down to the motive. But I think before long you're going to hear the bureau takes this thing over, that is the FBI, and you're going to look at a terrorism charge based on it being federal land and a political, political motive.

[Jimmy Fala]

Okay, when you hear that they probably have someone ID'd for this, does that give you hope? Or maybe not hope, but maybe the of the mind that they know what kind of weapon this was.

[Paul Morrow]

You know, I don't know what they will get the weapon off of other shells at the scene. Right now they've clamped that whole thing down. The Bureau, as I understand the FBI is doing the forensics on the crime scene. Some of these guys are so good, they can tell, they'll look at it. They can say that's the shooters, that's one from the guard. They know right away if he is in fact id. The most important aspect of that is you can contextualize who he is to see if there's any other. Now you've got to see where does he live, Is his home booby trapped? Does he have people that are involved with him? Think of the Tyler Robinson thing and all the stuff that went on there. It's going to be very, very simple.

[Guy Benson]

All right, Paul Morrow, thank you very much for your expertise and we will continue to keep everyone posted as we learn any new developments on this case. Meanwhile, coming up, who is the leader of the Democratic Party? James Carville has some thoughts and we'll talk about.

[Mark Meredith]

For too long.

[Lisa Booth]

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[Guy Benson]

All right.

[Brian Kilmeade]

We're monitoring the breaking news we've been covering for the last two hours out of Washington D.C. two National Guardsmen have been shot. They're in critical condition at this hour. The D.C. mayor says it appears to be targeted. The shooter is in custody. His condition is unknown. Now to this, Democrats talking about politics again are hoping to find a leader, a leader of their party once and for all. And James Carville says it might take a while for someone to emerge. No one represents the party. The only person that can represent the party is a presidential nominee who will be chosen by the party members who vote in the primaries. Congressional parties don't have a defi. Generally don't. And we certainly don't have a defining person. And that's what people said would. There's no leader of the party. No, there won't be. But that's what Democrats are going to decide. And they'll also decide in what direction that the party is going on. But we're not going to have a leader until we have a presidential nominee.

[Mark Meredith]

All right.

[Brian Kilmeade]

But Congressman Eric Swalwell, who wants to be governor of California, so pretty much a layup, according to political expert Jimmy Fala, thinks the bench is deep and is even comparing them to the Avengers.

[Lisa Booth]

Who do you think is the leader.

[Brian Kilmeade]

Of the Democratic Party?

[Jimmy Fala]

It's the Avengers right now. Right. You've got Jasmine Crockett coming to California helping us elevate the vote to pass Prop 50. Ruben Gallego is, you know, going to.

[Mark Meredith]

Iowa and New Hampshire as a Marine.

[Jimmy Fala]

Latino, first in his family to go to college.

[Mark Meredith]

There's a bunch of us who are.

[Jimmy Fala]

Stepping up, but we all understand, you know, the assignment, and that is to bring down prices, period.

[Brian Kilmeade]

Okay. But it's important to point out that Gallego is. And Crockett are the leaders. They're part of the Avengers series.

[Guy Benson]

This is a terrible movie.

[Brian Kilmeade]

Who wants to see it? So, Lisa Zimmer. He's right. James Carville. It's hard to have a leader before you have a nominee for 2028. But who has emerged as a personality to rally around? Who's saying the type of things that the Democrats can rally around? Who do you think it is?

[Jessica Tarlov]

Yeah.

[Lisa Booth]

That's not a movie I want to watch.

[Paul Morrow]

Right.

[Lisa Booth]

It's this version of no.

[Brian Kilmeade]

1, but it gets saved.

[Lisa Booth]

I don't think it'll do that.

[Brian Kilmeade]

Well, it's where the criminals win.

[Lisa Booth]

Yeah. I mean, who knows, Brian? We have so much time until 2028. But I do agree with him. Democrats aren't going to have a leader until the 2028 presidential election. Who was the leader of the Republican Party after Mitt Romney got smoked by former President Obama? We didn't have one until President Trump came on the scene, won the 2016 primary, and then completely transformed the Republican Party. But one area of concern for Republicans, I believe, is Republicans also didn't have a leader of the party in 2010 in the midterm elections when Republicans won 63 seats in the House. So I worry a little bit Right now, with the direction that the midterm elections are heading in, particularly since November 4, Democrats are more motivated right now than Republicans. They're motivated to stop President Trump. What's the motivation for Republicans, particularly with President Trump not on the ballot? I was at the National Republican congressional committee in 2010 when that wave election happened. I'm a little bit worried that some of that is brewing right now, particularly real quick, that even though President Trump has some positive data points to point to on the economy, Americans just aren't feeling it yet.

[Brian Kilmeade]

Yeah, it's so weird. New York Times today said, I give him the economy's a B plus in terms of numbers, but it's a 1980, 40 year low back to 1987 in terms of consumer confidence. But Jimmy, how about this? Carville went on to say, we got to forget the woke politics from 2024. It's left a lasting stain on our brand, particularly with rural voters and male voters, Latinx, Latino people, all these defund the police. That really hurt. So Carville is right in the second half and actually the first half too.

[Jimmy Fala]

No, he's all the way. Right. Because they got so invested in the culture wars, it's actually surprising to hear Swalwell called them the Avengers. Cuz the Democrats became the party of X Men.

[Brian Kilmeade]

Right.

[Jimmy Fala]

If you're picking up what I'm putting down, there it is. Good night everybody. But the bigger issue, when he talks about, oh, we're bringing out Jasmine Crockett to help out. You don't want her fundraising when she gets the name of the donation recipient. Wrong. Okay. Last week she's like, everybody took money from Epstein. Whoops, wrong Epstein. So if you're Eric Swalwell, she's going to come out there and get you. 2 million for some dog walker named Eric Swalwell. That's not even on the ballot. But the reason they don't have a leader is because they don't have a focus. If you were to walk into a Democrat protest crowd right now and yell out what do we want? You know, the when do we want it? Thing would be like, I don't know, King, something about the Epstein files. I don't know. We're anti ice affordability. They don't have a focus. So without that focus, no one can see can seize the mantle of leadership and lead them in a direction.

[Brian Kilmeade]

Yeah. And guy, that is true. The one thing they have is this fight club emerging and it looks like mostly led by Bernie Sanders. They said we had to fight harder. Gallego says we have to Fight harder, pointing at Schumer, saying, you gotta go.

[Guy Benson]

Yeah, I think there are some long term problems that the Democrats are facing and the Republicans as well. These have a way of working themselves out eventually. But to Lisa's point, I don't think the leaderlessness matters very much for Democrats right now. It didn't matter. Republicans got their rear ends kicked in 2008 and again in 2012. They were listless, didn't have a leader, rudderless in 09 and 13. The Republicans even started this quixotic government shutdown move in 2013, looked completely lost. And in 2014, a year later, they won another red wave in a midterm election. And we just saw what two weeks ago. Democrats without a leader did very well in a couple of important elections. So I think a lot of Republicans have felt good in recent months looking at the polls. Democrats unpopular, no leader. If the voters are unhappy and the Democratic voters are more likely to show up, it may not be all that significant as a problem for the Democrats right now.

[Brian Kilmeade]

Just unfortunately, we're out of time. I apologize.

[Jessica Tarlov]

Justin Waters, how did you speak into Brian Kilmeade's body?

[Brian Kilmeade]

I'm only kidding.

[Jessica Tarlov]

30 seconds.

[Brian Kilmeade]

It looks like the Democratic approval range around 30, between 35 and 38%.

[Jessica Tarlov]

It doesn't matter. I mean this is a two party town. People are going to show up and they're going to vote either for Donald Trump's party or for the people who are running in opposition. You say we don't have a leader of the party. And I thought Eric Swalwell missed opportunity. Mikey Sherrill is the leader of the party. Abigail Spanberger is the leader of the party. And we do have a message. It's affordability however it shows up in your state or your district. So in New Jersey you're talking about energy costs. In Virginia you're talking about building more affordable housing and cutting red tape. And you are seeing this. And props to you guys actually for being so reasonable about this because sometimes you feel like Republicans don't want to admit that there are any problems. Another shout out to my colleague who isn't here.

[Brian Kilmeade]

But you said Laura Ingram last night.

[Jessica Tarlov]

Laura Ingram, literally the midterms look ugly right now unless Republicans really get serious. From Laura Ingraham and it's a waste of Republicans time to worry about us. I see all these stories like dems in disarray. 68% of Americans say their financial situation is getting worse. 65% say that Donald Trump isn't lowering their cost of living focused elsewhere and The Democratic lead on the generic ballot is getting into blue wave, possibly tsunami territory because there's no plan. ACA subsidies, extensions, 70% approval rating. Donald Trump tries to do it and the caucus says, actually, no, we don't want to do that. We'll just have no health care plan for the rest of time.

[Lisa Booth]

Can I. But, but those Obamacare subsidies were always supposed to be temporary. And by the way, they were approved in the Inflation Reduction act, which was a lie because it was really a climate bill. Also real quick, in these cities, in these areas where Democrats won on November 4, they've been in charge. In New Jersey, you know, California was the Prop 50. But New York, they also wanted no, no, no. So they run on a for, they run on affordability, right? Then they get elected, make everything more expensive and then run on affordability again. The reason it's unaffordable is because of Democrats. So I just wanted to take away you saying that I was reasonable.

[Jessica Tarlov]

You've done an excellent job of that, Lisa.

[Jimmy Fala]

Come back anytime.

[Brian Kilmeade]

We're so close to end on Jimmy, your X Men comment.

[Jimmy Fala]

We had a joke we were out of here.

[Brian Kilmeade]

Note to self, Jimmy ends the next segment.

[Jimmy Fala]

Yeah, next segment goes on.

[Jessica Tarlov]

All right, you want to go up next?

[Brian Kilmeade]

Those Seditious six Democrats are playing the victim while soaking up the spotlight on liberal late night.

[Jimmy Fala]

When you've got a classic ride.

[Jessica Tarlov]

At.

[Lisa Booth]

New Balance, we believe if you run, you're a runner, However you choose to do it. Because when you're not worried about doing things the right way, you're free to discover your way. And that's what running is all about. Run your [e-mail] running. Welcome back to the five. The seditious six are playing the victim while seeking the spotlight and milking their moment and their supporters for every dime they got. Now, according to the Washington Examiner, Mark Kelly and Democrats turn seditious six accusations into a fundraising boon. And the Arizona senator is also hitting up liberal late night Jimmy Kimmel show to whine about President Trump. Watch this.

[Mark Meredith]

You can't keep track of this guy.

[Guy Benson]

And what he says.

[Mark Meredith]

And I'll tell you this, though, I'm not backing down. It is so ridiculous. It's almost like you can't make this up. What I'm worried about is the, is the reaction and what this transmits to the military and the public, which is basically shut up and listen to that guy.

[Paul Morrow]

It's how democracies die. It is right out of the playbook.

[Mark Meredith]

You know, the playbook of authoritarianism. That's what they do, they try to suppress speech.

[Lisa Booth]

You know, Jimmy, Senator Kelly has now been the subject of at least a dozen fundraising pitches. Was this just all fundraising play?

[Jimmy Fala]

Sure looks that way. But if you watch the show last night, anybody's interested in going, I actually have a good connection to get tickets to the Jimmy Kimmel Show. They're free to get in, but they're 500 to get out. They charge you like, just pay up. You're gonna have to watch another hour of this. It's we're living in the death of shit. I like to say this, okay, when he says, this is how democracies die, okay? They're trying to obstruct exactly what we voted for. Trump's number one issue was the border deportation. Okay? We're gonna get in there and make the streets a little bit safer. And these guys are putting out a fundraising video going, hey, you don't have to do this. Okay? Which by the way, is undermining the outcome of that democracy. So that part is embarrassing. And it kills me that Kimmel keeps doing this to comedy. A late night comedian's job is the last thing you're gonna watch before you go to bed. We're supposed to put you to bed with a smile on your face. Instead, you're getting the fascists are here. Good night, everybody. Have a nice dream. And that's the part that kills me, is not just what it's doing to the integrity of politics, but he has set Laid Back Late night back like 500 years.

[Paul Morrow]

It's gross.

[Jessica Tarlov]

Yeah.

[Lisa Booth]

I would go to bed very angry.

[Jimmy Fala]

Yeah, well, that's the show. That's all it is.

[Lisa Booth]

Fired up. You know, Jessica, what happens when we have a military that no longer follows the chain of command?

[Jessica Tarlov]

Well, they will follow the chain of command if the orders are lawful and they won't follow it if they're unlawful. Which is all that the so called Seditious Six said. The outrage over fundraising. Literally everybody fundraises off of everything that they do. Like, hey, I just had a chicken Caesar wrap. Could you give me $12? I really desperately need this. We need campaign finance reform. This is also a really an inside baseball story that the right is trying to amplify into this huge message. And Democrats are out there on the campaign trail talking about affordability and cost of living. And you have the seditious sick stuff. And the average person, we go outside right now, ask them about Alissa Slotkin. They won't know. Ask them if their rent is too high. They'll definitely know the answer to that.

[Lisa Booth]

But Brian, they've not been able to lay out any illegal orders. So why do they do it then?

[Brian Kilmeade]

It's incredible. I think that he was roped into it and now he was the biggest name. So they're going to examine the head of Navy is going to examine his background. He's got a sterling middle military career. He's been the biggest disappointment for me personally because I looked at him as would be a Joe Manchin type character on the left. Somebody who's so used to fighting for this country, smart enough to go into space. It's so rare to have these skills. I am always disappointed because I don't expect him to be like this. And for him to be part of this video was so beneath him. And then when he's asked about what it was, they're bringing up 2015, Trump said during the debate and he said to Mark Esper, shoot people in the legs. That's called crosstalk talk. It's not a policy. So it really makes no sense. But in terms of publicity, Jessica, no one asked him to go on Jimmy Kimmel. So he is making a lot of this. And all them. They all went on the Sunday shows together. What's his name went on. Jason Crow went on too. So they're not backing down. So they're loving the publicity. I think it's an embarrassment. And I saw General Spider Marks on CNN say the same thing about Kelly.

[Lisa Booth]

You know, and Guy Brian mentions that he's now under investigation. How vulnerable is he, Senator Kelly?

[Guy Benson]

I think he's thrilled because he's been elevated by the White House. If the whole posture of the Democrats is resist to have the Trump administration singling you out, I think albeit for a preening idiotic video, it's like manna from heaven in terms of fundraising and pr. He's showing up on supposed comedy shows to milk this thing. I will note on the fundraising. You know who's fundraising for him right now? Aoc. He's supposedly a moderate. I'm not sure those lines exist anymore in that party.

[Jimmy Fala]

I just love that he said he's not gonna back down to Trump on the Jimmy Kimmel show finishing the Red Sox at a Yankee game.

[Paul Morrow]

Tough.

[Jimmy Fala]

So embarrassing.

[Lisa Booth]

Well, I think we solved that.

[Jessica Tarlov]

Right?

[Lisa Booth]

So moving ahead, up next, President Trump is hitting back at the New York Times for questioning his energy levels. Stay with us.

[Brian Kilmeade]

Hi folks.

[Jessica Tarlov]

I like to tell this is Ainsley Earhart. Thank you for joining me for the 52 episode podcast series the Life of Jeff Jesus.

[Mark Meredith]

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[Jimmy Fala]

There it is. After taking a years long nap under Joe Biden, the New York Times is out with a story claiming Trump is showing signs of fatigue and losing his stamina. But the President's counter punching saying in part, the creeps at the failing New York Times are at it again. Radical left lunatics at the newspaper were purposely negative about his energy. And let's just start here. When I said earlier, we're living in the death of shame. This is the proof, okay? Yo, New York Times, during the last four years there were more Bigfoot sightings than Joe Biden sightings in public. And you're gonna try to pull one of these Lisa Booths.

[Lisa Booth]

I think Brian Kilameade is probably the only one that could keep up with President Trump's energy levels. But Biden spent like 40% of his presidency on vacation, more than any other modern president. You look at 148 period of time. In October, President Trump flew to Israel, gave a high stakes address while the surviving hostages were being released, then went to Egypt with 20 world leaders to sign the initial cease fire agreement, then went back to Washington D.C. so he could give the Medal of Freedom to the late Charlie Kirk on his 32nd birthday in a 48 hour period of time. Brian Kilman is the only one that could do that. You're like the Energizer bunny.

[Brian Kilmeade]

Well, thank you. The one thing about it, they say, oh, he doesn't come down from the, from the residence till 10:30. George W. Bush used to come at 6:45. He is working through the night. Doug Bergam said that he usually gets calls between 1 and 1:30 in the morning, but they aren't like, doug, what are you doing? They're like, I got an idea what we're doing with what we should do with rare earth. The other thing is I've spoken to him at five in the morning and he's wide awake. He's like, such and such has happened. Did you read this? And he goes back and he'll make it clear that he's watching the show because he's in the residence. It doesn't mean he's not working the phones. The guy does his own thing. He doesn't stop. Out of all the things to go after Trump, this is the one thing he is not vulnerable.

[Jimmy Fala]

Jt, does this look like a troll, like they know what they're doing?

[Jessica Tarlov]

No, it was also one article I.

[Lisa Booth]

Mean one too many.

[Jessica Tarlov]

The guy is aging. He is an old man. These things do happen. And when he comes out and he's like, I aced my cognitive test and I had a perfect mri, whatever that means, and you could see him dozing off sometimes, I would be dozing off. I totally get it.

[Jimmy Fala]

You say it's only one article. Guy, let me read you one article from the New York Times. This is from June 21, 2024. Biden battles age, doubts and a trail of misleading videos. They were in on the cheap fake thing.

[Guy Benson]

Caroline Levitt should just come out if we're gonna be trolling and just say all cheap fakes and misinformation from Russia and just leave the podium.

[Brian Kilmeade]

I am not 80, but I will promise you I will be nodding off tonight if I have a few beers. Because if you're up all night and you're hanging out late, sometimes you're not off. It doesn't mean you're old. It means you're a little tired.

[Jimmy Fala]

Amen, Brian. We always knew something was going down with Biden when he was at the beach. Build back Better men sandcastles. Let's be honest, folks. One more thing is. One more thing is the.

[Lisa Booth]

That's it.

[Paul Morrow]

I'm going down.

[Brian Kilmeade]

I'm going down. Down, down, down, down.

[Lisa Booth]

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[Mark Meredith]

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[Guy Benson]

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[Lisa Booth]

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[Guy Benson]

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[Lisa Booth]

So that means half day.

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[Mark Meredith]

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[Guy Benson]

All right, well, there's a big day in our household this week. We celebrated our son's second birthday. Super adorable. There he is. We love you, buddy. Everyone's watching back at home, so I'm heading back tonight and he barely gets.

[Jessica Tarlov]

Sugar, so I'm thankful you gave it to him. Happy birthday, Jimmy.

[Jimmy Fala]

I was surprised Guy had a keg at that party. These guys know how to do it. You don't want this kid to be a stick in the mud. I am on the west coast celebrating Thanksgiving with the fellas doing stand up comedy this weekend. San Luis Obispo, Friday, Vegas Saturday. They're all sold out. But if you want to see me anywhere else this year, the tickets are on [e-mail] come to Vegas to watch me tell jokes. Stay to lend me money. I get beat up at the blackjack table.

[Brian Kilmeade]

That'll never happen.

[Jessica Tarlov]

Brian.

[Brian Kilmeade]

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