7 Million People Estimated At Weekend “No Kings” Protest

Summary

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Podcast Summary: The Five

Episode: 7 Million People Estimated At Weekend “No Kings” Protest
Date: October 20, 2025
Host: Dana Perino, with Jesse Watters, Katie Pavlich, Jessica Tarlov, Greg Gutfeld

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Episode Overview

This episode focuses on the weekend's widespread "No Kings" protests, in which organizers claim more than 7 million people demonstrated against former President Trump across all 50 states, with especially large turnouts in major cities. The hosts debate the significance, makeup, and political implications of the protests, discuss President Trump’s law-and-order response to urban unrest, and take on topics ranging from California governance to the theft of Napoleon’s crown jewels in France.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The "No Kings" Protest: Scope, Significance, & Skepticism

• Main Topic: Reports of over 7 million Americans protesting Trump’s leadership and alleged authoritarian tendencies; debates about the actual impact and demographics.
• Dana Perino introduces the protest coverage, noting older participants and lack of visible Gen Z presence.
  • [00:55] “Gen Z, though, must have been at brunch…older demonstrators were out in large numbers among other colorful characters.”
• Jesse Watters offers a dismissive take:
  • [03:02] “I know my mom was there… sometimes I think I was adopted. The issues change, but the one thing that stays the same is Trump. They think this guy’s like crack cocaine…this has been bad for their health. They’ve lost the culture, they’ve lost the media, they’ve lost two of the last three elections, they’ve lost all power in Washington and they've lost their minds.”
  • [04:24] “They love the government telling them what to do. Give me a shot. Take over my healthcare. Tell me what not to say.”
• Jessica Tarlov describes attending the Times Square rally:
  • [05:26] “It was very peaceful. Police officers were having a good time…a lot about the importance of human rights and civil rights.”
  • [06:42] “As of the count right now, it was 5 million in June, now 7 million this time.”
• Dana Perino questions the protest numbers’ credibility:
  • [07:53] “I interrupted Jessica because I keep hearing the number 7 million and nobody ever supplies the backup sentence…There is no official accounting. When you go and you look for it, it's from the organizers.”
  • [09:55] “This is an imaginary solution to an imaginary problem...Crime, drugs, immigration are real things that generate statistics...You can't measure authoritarianism.”

Memorable Moment & Quote

• Greg Gutfeld on the protest demographic:
  • [08:09] “This is the parade of the woke white liberals...the same people you've seen cause shopping for years and years. They just show up when they feel like they have something to say, even if it’s counterintuitive to what they’ve been saying or believed in.”
• Perino wraps up the protest coverage:
  • [13:06] “How lucky are they that they get to spend their afternoon not worrying about the things that everybody who lives in a city does?”

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2. President Trump’s Law-and-Order Push & Controversy over Using Force

• Trump responds to latest unrest & ICE facility riot (Chicago):
  • [14:46] “President Trump’s not giving up on restoring order. Vowing to save Democrat cities...He says San Fran’s next and toying with the I word to get it done.”
  • [15:25] Trump (clip): “I can use the Insurrection Act.”
• Debate over National Guard/Insurrection Act:
  • [16:06] Dana and Greg discuss Marc Benioff’s (Salesforce CEO) walk-back after suggesting Trump send the National Guard to San Francisco.
  • Greg Gutfeld: [16:06] “It’s funny, like how we saw night and day with the no kings and then the stuff happening at night. The media shows the day, it doesn't show the night because the night doesn't fit their narrative.”
  • [17:50] Jesse Watters: “It really proves the point that for years we’ve been told illegal immigration has nothing to do with crime, when in fact we are finding out it’s actually the undercurrent of a lot of this violence that is happening in New York and Chicago.”

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3. City Crises—San Francisco, Houston Comparisons, and Blue City Governance

• Debate on city safety and political spin:
  • [18:32] Katie Pavlich: “He [Houston mayor] basically is like, why does everybody want to fight?…He wants the scooters off the sidewalks, he wants the loud music to stop in the neighborhoods and he just wants crime to go down.”
  • [19:39] Jessica Tarlov: “Daniel Lurie, the mayor [of San Francisco], does a ton of social media…running a very transparent administration. He’s riding around on the trolley showing everyone what’s going on.”
  • Perino expresses skepticism about “transparency over substance” and returns to crime as the root concern.
  • [20:34] Jessica: “…majorities of Americans oppose deploying the National Guard and Donald Trump is double digits underwater on immigration.”

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4. California Politics: Gavin Newsom vs. Joe Rogan

• Gavin Newsom targets Joe Rogan after Rogan mocks California governance.
  • [25:12] Greg Gutfeld: “It’s a battle for the manosphere. Gavin Newsom picking a fight with Joe Rogan…calling him a snack sized podcaster…”
  • [27:11] Jesse Watters: “It is good PR to bark at the number one podcaster. It creates headlines... But California is like a Lamborghini…It’s a beautiful car. Treat it like a beautiful car...Now, the number one complaint is the quality of life in paradise.”
  • [28:43] Dana Perino: “California is this incredible supermodel, and Gavin is like, this greasy, rich dude who thinks…he’s somehow special because she’s on his arm for that one event.”

Counterpoint

• [30:28] Jessica Tarlov: “The economy did go from in California—it was the sixth biggest in the world for Gavin Newsom, and now it’s the fourth biggest, which does seem like a change in the positive direction…Are there issues? Homelessness, crime? Yes. Is it getting better? Trending in the right direction? For sure.”

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5. Political Memoir: Karine Jean-Pierre's Book & Loyalty to Biden

• Discussion on White House Press Secretary KJP’s memoir and party defection:
  • [32:55] “KJP also making the rounds to say that President Applesauce [Biden] should have never dropped out.”
  • [33:36] Jessica Tarlov: “You gotta pick a lane if you're trying to sell a Biden book. And this is no lane that anyone wants to travel on.”
  • [35:39] Jesse Watters: “No, it’s a loyalty play. So no one will hire her because the Democrats think she’s the face of the COVID up … No, she has no talent and she's a DEI hire.”

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6. Heist at the Louvre: Napoleon’s Crown Jewels

• Lighthearted discussion on major museum robbery:
  • [38:02] “Suspected robbers…snatching priceless jewels that once belonged to Napoleon…they took off on electric scooters, which we hate…” [Jessica Tarlov]
  • [38:40] Jesse Watters: “Why do we hate people that do smash and grabs at malls and hate people that steal large sums of money from the government. But we love thieves who break into museums in Europe and steal priceless artifacts and jewelry? … it’s in our DNA rooting for thieves. Because the bad guy here, the real bad guy, is the museum.”
  • [39:21] Dana Perino: “Number one, this is one of the biggest heists in France since Macron had his jewels taken. By the way, I do believe it's an inside job for insurance reasons.”

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Notable Quotes & Timed Highlights

• [05:18] “You don’t like, they’re walking around with a 1619 Project in their pocket.” — Katie Pavlich
• [08:09] “This is the parade of the woke white liberals. It's the same people you’ve seen cause shopping for years and years and years.” — Greg Gutfeld
• [13:06] “Imagine how lucky you are on a Saturday that this is your problem.” — Dana Perino
• [16:06] “The media shows the day, it doesn’t show the night because the night doesn’t fit their narrative.” — Greg Gutfeld
• [27:11] “California is like a Lamborghini…It’s a beautiful car. Treat it like a beautiful car.” — Jesse Watters
• [35:39] “No, it’s a loyalty play… No, she has no talent and she’s a DEI hire… She's loyal to Biden because she was a DEI hire.” — Jesse Watters
• [38:40] “Why do we hate people that do smash and grabs at malls…but we love thieves who break into museums in Europe and steal priceless artifacts?” — Jesse Watters

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Tone & Style

The discussion is fast-paced, sarcastic, and at times playful, maintaining "The Five’s" characteristic blend of political irreverence, humorous asides, and on-air banter. Sharp distinctions between left and right perspectives are constantly highlighted, with regular interjections and pointed questions among the group.

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Timestamps of Key Segments

• [00:55–03:50] – Introduction and Demographics of the "No Kings" protest
• [05:26–07:40] – Analysis & debate on protest turnout, organizing, and impact
• [09:53–13:48] – Broader implications: “Imaginary solutions to imaginary problems”
• [14:46–17:50] – Trump’s response to unrest and law & order narrative
• [18:32–20:21] – Blue cities, effectiveness of Democratic mayors
• [25:12–31:46] – Newsom vs. Rogan, California exodus, and political branding
• [32:55–37:22] – Karine Jean-Pierre’s memoir, Biden White House, media spinning
• [38:02–40:35] – Louvre jewelry heist and humorous reflections

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Final Thoughts

This episode showcases “The Five” at their energetic, opinionated, and unscripted best, using current events—especially the massive anti-Trump rally—to launch into wider debates about protest efficacy, party morale, contemporary city governance, and media narratives. The panel's persistent skepticism (especially on protest attendance figures and Democratic strategies) merges with satirical takes on American politics and culture, offering listeners both critique and comic relief.

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Transcript

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Sein rive Apoll Service Online Bestelln immarkt Apollen. Hello everyone. I'm Dana Perino along with Katie Pavlich, Jessica Tarlov, Jesse Waters, and Greg Gutfeld. It's five o' clock in New York City and this is the five. Organizers claim over 7 million Americans turned out for the anti Trump no Kings rallies over the weekend and in all 50 states and in big blue cities like New York, Chicago, Louisiana and Philly. Gen Z, though, must have been at brunch. Many observers noting that older demonstrators were out in large numbers among other colorful characters.

[Dana Perino]

Well, we're here to represent the loving, hard working community of Los Angeles.

[Jesse Waters]

Donald Trump, stay the hell out of Chicago.

[Katie Pavlich]

I feel like you were wearing a.

[Greg Gutfeld]

T shirt that was designed to troll Donald Trump.

[Jesse Waters]

Yeah, it said I am antifa. I was there with my corgi Clyde.

[Katie Pavlich]

And he might be antifa. Clyde might really be antifa. Tear up the crown in Boston. Every day is no Kings Day.

[Jesse Waters]

Donald Trump is not a king.

[Katie Pavlich]

Donald Trump is a bully. President Trump not missing words on how he felt about it.

[Jesse Waters]

I think it's a joke. I looked at the people.

[Dana Perino]

They're not representative of this country. And I looked at all the brand new signs. Paid for. I guess it was paid for by Soros and other radical left lunatics. It looks like it was. We're checking it out. The demonstrations were very small, very ineffective and the people were whacked out.

[Jesse Waters]

By the way, I'm not a king.

[Dana Perino]

I'm not a king. I work my off to make our country great.

[Jesse Waters]

That's all it is.

[Dana Perino]

I'm Not a king at all.

[Katie Pavlich]

Jesse Waters. Do you think Democrats were just getting together, blow off some steam, or will they be able to turn this into some sort of mobilization, registration of voters, something with longer term impact?

[Jesse Waters]

We'll see. I know my mom was there.

[Dana Perino]

Really?

[Jesse Waters]

Can you believe my mom was there?

[Katie Pavlich]

Which one? New York, Boston?

[Dana Perino]

Which mom?

[Jesse Waters]

It's like sometimes I think I was adopted. It's like they do these things, the Women's March, blm, the musk stuff. The issues change, but the one thing that stays the same is Trump. They think this guy's like crack cocaine. They get these big bursts of energy every once in a while, but long term, this has been bad for their health. They've lost the culture, they've lost the media, they've lost two of the last three elections, they've lost all power in Washington and they've lost their minds. He looks powerful because Biden was weak. Biden, they raided the treasury, they invaded the country. They let the foreigners steal all the supply chains. They let the criminals run wild. Biden just sat there. So Trump is doing a lot because he's cleaning up a lot. And the Democrats love kings. They love the government telling them what to do. Give me a shot. Take over my health care. Tell me what not to say. Remember what, he was taking away everyone's First Amendment during the pandemic? Freedom of assembly. They were throwing people in jail for opening a gym. Remember the woman who tried to give someone a haircut? They threw her in jail. They're trying to take your Second Amendment, they're taking your First Amendment. Democrats love it. They love to submit, they love to conform. It's what they do. And you go into these rallies and you interview these people, they have no idea where they're there. I mean, some of them do, like my mom knew. But if you stick a mic in front of their face, they have no clue. They're just kind of walking around. And then sometimes you talk to one of them and they're like, yeah, I hope Trump dies. It's like, my God, these people are nuts. And Trump's no king. If Trump was a king, you wouldn't have had a rally like this. You wouldn't have people going on TV calling them Nazi and you wouldn't have the government shut down. And all these people on the left saying, oh, the Constitution, I love the Constitution. You called the guys who wrote it racist, old white men, and then you tore down their statues. So don't tell me you love the Constitution.

[Katie Pavlich]

You don't like, they're Walking around with a 1619 project in their pocket. Right in the Constitution. Jessica, what did you make of it, though?

[Jessica Tarlov]

So I went to check it out. The Times Square one. I ran into Paul Morrow there as he was doing some surveillance work, taking some pics which managed to go viral. I, you know, wasn't there that long. It was very peaceful. As reported, the police officers were having a good time hanging out with the folks streaming down 7th Avenue. There were some offensive signs, mostly unoffensive ones that were homemade and didn't come from George Soros Creative Play for Kids studio. A lot about the importance of human rights and civil rights. Some 1776 shout outs, of course, a lot of anti ice posters. I've heard the complaints that it was too old and too white. I definitely saw young people there. But there were a good amount of folks who are in their later years, which I think actually means good news for the midterms because guess who turns out at midterms. Women who do Zumba on the side of a. Of a protest. I saw this as a temperature check on what's going on in the second Trump administration. So 2 million more people showed up than they did just in June. As of the count right now, it was 5 in June, now 7 million this time. Would you get. This is also a bit.

[Dana Perino]

I'm curious where that count comes from. I can't find an official number.

[Jessica Tarlov]

Okay. Well, they really hard like the police officers. Like the NYPD did their count of who was there. They estimated it at 100,000. So you get it that way. You also have people who signed up and registered to make sure that they made it known that they were going to go from the actual. You know what? Only five people were there. It was me and four of my.

[Dana Perino]

Say that I just want you to be.

[Jessica Tarlov]

It is.

[Dana Perino]

Is you're not taking it.

[Jessica Tarlov]

I said it was estimated. You don't take anything at face value. I get that now. So I'm just going to use my 90 seconds and then get out of here. I also think it was a bit of a turnout rally for Virginia and New Jersey to get people amped up for the fact that we have these big elections coming up that mean a lot about the future of the party. I wanted to add as well that Gallup's numbers for Americans party ID came out shifted in 2025. D +7 in it was. We were down -4 at the end of 2024. So it has been a good year in terms of Democratic morale that way.

[Katie Pavlich]

One thing is strange. Katie and I'M not saying it wasn't anything. I mean, they had little signs of life, but they were able to do this immediately after the first term, like on the second day.

[Jessica Tarlov]

Right.

[Katie Pavlich]

That's when that happened. This is nine months later. So it's taking them a little bit of time. But I think that's partly because their leadership is so fractured. And you have Kamala Harris, she's out there now. Corinne Jean Pierre is going to be out there. Zoan Mamdani is taking over the attention meter. So you have a lot of people out there saying Trump is a king, but they're out there protesting him freely in the streets.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Yeah, they were pretty stunned after Trump beat them again, after they threw everything they possibly could at him and he still won a second term. So it took them some time to find their sea legs and they still really haven't. And they are fractured with how they want to go and what direction they're trying to go. And I think the elections that we're going to see in New Jersey and Virginia will be helpful to them to try and find their footing. But when I was at the BLM plaza in March when they were ripping it up in Washington D.C. there was a loan white woman there protesting by herself. And I'm glad that she found some friends this weekend because I felt very sorry for her. But this is the parade of the woke white liberals. It's the same people you've seen cause shopping for years and years and years. Jesse mentioned the Women's March, blm. You saw them singing outside of federal government agencies during the doge cuts. They just show up when they feel like they have something to say, even if it's counterintuitive to what they've been saying or believed in. I mean, you see American flags now. How many years has it been since they've really embraced the American flag? It used to be racist. They wanted to get rid of it. They were fine with people burning it at their riots in the 2020 summer of 2020. But the bigger picture here is this was mostly peaceful. But there are people in these rallies who, when they were asked about whether President Trump, if he were killed, if it would be worth it, if it would be something they were okay with. Half of them said it would be fine. You had a staffer from a college in, I believe it, calling for ICE agents to be shot. So there is this underlying violence problem that the left has. Maybe it's not the woke white liberals who are showing up to different causes with these protests, but they do have this problem on their hands of people who think violence is the option for getting what they want.

[Katie Pavlich]

So where do we go from here?

[Dana Perino]

Well, the reason why I interrupted Jessica, because I keep hearing the number 7 million and nobody ever supplies the backup sentence that says from X because there is no X. There is no official accounting. When you go and you look for it, they say they get these numbers and they estimate it from the organizers. This, I mean, imagine this is like believing Jesse when you ask him how many girlfriends he had in college. Divide by four. Okay, so maybe seven million. Yes, yes, yes. I will give credit where credit's due. It was largely nonviolent and non confrontational. There were idiots that said terrible things. If you went and you asked them, they would say, I hope Charlie Kirk dies. That was happening a lot. And you can call them old. They called Trump rallies old. Speaking of Charlie Kirk, he was the one who single handedly destroyed that narrative with Turning Point. But again, I've said this before, this is an imaginary solution to an imaginary problem. If you look at their list of grievances, their concepts, they cannot be measured. This is why Republicans are so popular now. Crime, drugs, immigration are real things that generate statistics. You can measure it. I don't think you can measure. I know CNN will come up with it. Measure a stat for authoritarianism. You know, it's gone up 137% since 2023. But right now you can't. If you could measure authoritarianism, as Jesse points out, shutting down schools, parks and speech would make Joe Biden the king of kings. But you're not gonna measure that. So why do they believe in it? And you hit on this. Democrats are not used, not used to seeing action. When Trump would say, it doesn't always have to be this way. They didn't know what that meant. It's like, wait a second, you mean you can deport illegals, you can lock up recidivist criminals? Why didn't we think of that? Action? What is action? See, we have a conversation. That's our action. Let's have a conversation. Let's figure out a committee. But they never did a damn thing. And now you're seeing Democrats going, especially like in San Francisco, that city's on the mend. It's because they're actually doing stuff. They're arresting recidivists, they're hiring more cops. So I think it's like when Trump said, I work my ass off. That's exactly what it is. And they are not used to seeing it. They're in a shock Last, I think, I think about the interviews that we were seeing of Black people in D.C. in Memphis and Chicago, talking about the crime crackdown. They weren't talking about monarchy. They were talking about safety in their streets. You know, they, you know, that was important to them. You compare that to the interviews of the people on Saturday, largely white, older, soft, academic bodies who can afford to march for conceptual fears that don't exist. Not real fears like mugging or carjacking or looting of their small businesses. They, however. God, you're so lucky. Imagine how lucky you are on a Saturday that this is your problem.

[Greg Gutfeld]

This is.

[Dana Perino]

I bet if, if you walked out there to that group and you said, have any of you ever been mugged? Have you, has any of your businesses been looted? Have you ever been carjacked? Or do you know somebody that has been a victim of that? They wouldn't raise their hand. How lucky are they that they get to spend their afternoon not worrying about the things that everybody who lives in a city does? I think that's the story. Generally, imaginary concerns are harmless until they become harmful. When they become the narrative. Suddenly you will see Charlie Kirk again. He gets shot and killed. Why? Because an amplified phony narrative made him Hitler. Why was, why was Trump shot at? Same reason. So this is harmless for now.

[Katie Pavlich]

What a great way to start off the week, guys. All right, up next, President Trump vowing to save Democratic cities after another crazy night of chaos erupts outside an ICE facility near Chicago.

[Jesse Waters]

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[Dana Perino]

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[Jessica Tarlov]

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[Jesse Waters]

The blackjack buffet boss, JB Pritzker, leading protests in Illinois for Saturday's no Kings march during the day. But by night, the real agitators in his state came out to play, causing chaos outside that ICE facility near Chicago. At least 30 protesters arrested for rioting. President Trump's not giving up on restoring order. Vowing to save Democrat cities. He says San Fran's next and toying with the I word to get it done.

[Dana Perino]

We're going to go to San Francisco the difference is I think they want.

[Jesse Waters]

Us in San Francisco.

[Dana Perino]

San Francisco was truly one of the great cities of the world.

[Jesse Waters]

I can use the Insurrection Act.

[Dana Perino]

50% of the presidents almost have used that.

[Jesse Waters]

And that's unquestioned power.

[Dana Perino]

I choose not to. I'd rather do this, but I'm met.

[Jesse Waters]

Constantly by fake politicians.

[Dana Perino]

Our cities that are Democrat run exclusively.

[Jesse Waters]

Just about are unsafe cities.

[Dana Perino]

They're a disaster and I'm going to save the city.

[Jesse Waters]

Speaking of San Francisco, billionaire Salesforce CEO Marc Benioff caving to the left, issuing an apology after suggesting that President Trump should send National Guard troops to San Francisco. What's up with this guy, Greg?

[Dana Perino]

I think this was weak of him, although he didn't mean. He didn't mean what he was saying. They were talking about. He would welcome law enforcement because what's happening in San Francisco, as I said earlier in the eight block, you can rewind it. Great things are happening in San Francisco mainly because they have more cops, they have better tech, and they're going after repeat offenders. I think somebody asked him about that and he said, and he said, would you welcome National Guard? He says, I would welcome more law enforcement or something like that. But the fact that he had to, like, you know, apologize is so weak. It is funny, like how we saw Night and Day with the no kings and then the stuff happening at night. The media shows the day, it doesn't show the night because the night doesn't fit their narrative. But I do believe that the night stuff is energized by a small pocket of people. Generally, the trantifa loons are the ones that supply the arms and all this stuff. It's a bunch of losers. I think that if they just targeted these people, put them behind bars, it'd be much easier. I think the big secret people have to look at Dan Lurie in San Francisco because he's doing a great job. But the thing that people the Democrats gonna have a hard time with is why is there such a big change? It's the deportation of illegals, the Hondurans that have been supplying the drugs to the drug markets. Drug markets are still kind of there, but there's. It's like 90. It's a big difference. They still have to deal with the low clearance rates because of that stupid. Was it Proposition 47? They still have to deal with that, but at least there's a Democrat mayor doing something. And it's very Trumpian. Jessica.

[Jesse Waters]

Dana, do you think San Francisco's the next battleground?

[Katie Pavlich]

Well, no, I don't necessarily think so partly because of the leadership that's there. If you think about Muriel Bowser, that wasn't really a battleground. Muriel Bowser, the mayor of D.C. was like, you know what? Actually I could use the help. Thank you very much. And there was also a profile this weekend of another Democratic mayor in the Wall Street Journal over the weekend about the Houston mayor. He's a Democrat, he runs a huge city and he basically is like, why does everybody want to fight? I just want to get. I love this guy. He wants the scooters off the sidewalks, he wants the loud music to stop in the neighborhoods and he just wants crime to go down. He's not looking to do anything except for cooperate.

[Dana Perino]

What who decided on the scooters? They've ruined every scene.

[Katie Pavlich]

I know. And he wants to get rid of them. So I'm for that and I wish that so I don't know if San Francisco's mayor, he might be a little bit different than Muriel Bowser, but because he is taking actions in order to already make things better, he could actually say, look, here's a blue city that's working. You could follow my lead if you wanted to. Like in Chicago where they're not. I'm Benioff. I'm frustrated that I see so many people like the woman we talked about last week, Abigail Spamberger down in Virginia Spanberger. These are Democratic leaders who principally know what they're thinking. And Benioff is an extremely successful businessman and he happens to be a progressive who said what he meant in the moment. And his staff and his consultants are so concerned that he doesn't know what he's doing that they make him issue this groveling apology that makes him look weak. And he's not a weak person inherently. But I don't think that he, if given a second chance, I don't think he would have done that. I think he would have said, I stand by my words, I want a safe city. They have a huge conference there. He needed it to be a success.

[Jessica Tarlov]

Jessica T. I agree about San Francisco and an element of what Daniel Lurie, the mayor, is doing there is he does a ton of social media as well. He's running a very transparent administration. He's riding around on the trolley showing everyone what's going on. And he also, he doesn't do a lot of external media. He does it himself so he can speak for himself. I hope that he'll do more interviews cuz I think that he's a great.

[Dana Perino]

What are you mad at how that's a concept.

[Katie Pavlich]

Which one?

[Dana Perino]

I don't know. Doing social. I mean, what? No, I'm talking crime, immigration. It's not about social media.

[Jessica Tarlov]

Well, it is.

[Dana Perino]

I'm just bored by this, that's all.

[Jessica Tarlov]

Why? Did you only get bored when I started talking?

[Dana Perino]

No, but I mean, it's like, why is it about social media?

[Jessica Tarlov]

Well, it's about being according to Trump and everyone who defended him. It's about being transparent about everything that you're doing and putting it all out there and instead of behind closed doors, like, did we have a dead president for four years? I think you told me that we did.

[Dana Perino]

Yeah.

[Jessica Tarlov]

Anyway, so I get it. Obviously the agitators at night, it looks very different than what's going on during the day. But you still are not going to change the fact that majorities of Americans oppose deploying the National Guard and that Donald Trump is double digits underwater on immigration. And 60 Minutes had two interviews that I think are really important in this discussion. The first with NYU law professor and the co editor of Just Security, Ryan Goodman, who talked about the hundreds of lawsuits filed against the government that they've sifted through. They found over 35 cases in which the judge specifically said what the government is providing is false information, including false sworn declarations time and again. And that's coming up in a lot of these rulings that what the Trump administration is saying is quote, unquote, untethered to the facts. And then there was the DOJ whistleblower, the guy who came out and I know you love talking about Andre Hernandez, the gay hairdresser that you don't care about so much, but this is the guy who was told by a superior that he had to falsify information about Kilmar Abrego Garcia. He said he was told that he had to say he was an MS.13 gang member and terrorist. And he said it's not factually correct and I would not do it. And he ended up leaving the doj. So they are lying. They're lying in the suits that they're bringing, they're lying in front of these courts and judges are pushing back against it. So what you're making it out to be is happening on the ground is not the reality. And these judges are saying so.

[Jesse Waters]

Okay, well, he's almost undefeated in the Supreme Court.

[Jessica Tarlov]

That will do anything. Well, but the non Trump appointed judge on the 9th, you call it Hand said.

[Dana Perino]

You mean hand.

[Jesse Waters]

They nominated them and they were affirmed.

[Greg Gutfeld]

The National Guard allowed same thing, handpicked.

[Jesse Waters]

When a Democrat appoints people. Jessica?

[Greg Gutfeld]

Yeah, The National Guard is allowed to go into Portland, which is what the Knights to protect federal buildings. Jessica, that's another win for the president on the law and order. But I've been saying for months that the Democrats should work with Trump on this issue of crime and neutralize it as a political issue. People don't want their streets to be running with criminals. They want safety. It's clear from the people at these no Kings protests that they like to live in safe neighborhoods and they don't ever venture into the same places that they claim they're standing up for. On the issue of illegal immigration and how it's related to crime, Kristi Noem, DHS Secretary, announced today they've arrested 480,000 criminal aliens just since the beginning of the year. That's like a small city of criminals. So it really proves the point that for years we've been told that illegal immigration has nothing to do with crime, when in fact we are finding out that it's actually the undercurrent of a lot of this violence that is happening in New York, in Chicago, and we've actually known this dirty secret for a long time. But Democrat politicians were willing to say, it's okay. Nobody really cares about the inner city. We're just going to allow this crime to happen. Someone's getting a kickback. There's a lot of corruption happening, and they've allowed it to go on and on. Now the administration is taking care of it. On Benioff saying, you know, maybe the National Guard should come into San Francisco, that's great. He's standing up for his business and the people who work for him, and they have a stake in the city being safe because they want talented, qualified people to come work for them. However, when it comes to the left, Trump is saying we're not only going to protect people who work in high tech and who are making a lot of money and who are participate in commerce in the country, we're going to protect everybody, whether you're rich and you have a good job or whether you're poor and you're living on a street where the criminal has been running the show for decades. We are standing up for everybody. We want to make everyone safe. And that's why he's taking on all these big city Democrats who just seem to want to protect certain people in their cities, but not everybody.

[Jesse Waters]

Well said, Katie. Ahead, Greasy Gavin's thirsty for Joe Rogan's attention. I hear it all.

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[Greg Gutfeld]

It's a battle for the manosphere. Gavin Newsom picking a fight with Joe Rogan. And the California governor seems desperate to get Rogan's wildly popular, influential podcast, calling him a snack sized podcaster after Rogan pointed out the obvious that Newsom had ruined California.

[Jesse Waters]

Like, I probably would have had him on. Yeah. But now I'm like, no, what are you doing? There is a fun version where you just do it and cook him. You know, he'll cook himself.

[Dana Perino]

I mean, that would be all you have to do is just ask him questions.

[Jesse Waters]

Yeah, it's like, why are people leaving? Well, why do you say this thing all the time where you rattle off all the good things about California?

[Dana Perino]

When anybody says something bad about California.

[Jesse Waters]

It'S like, number one in Fortune 500 companies. Number one in higher education.

[Dana Perino]

Number one.

[Jesse Waters]

It was all that before you were there. It was all that forever. It's because the weather's perfect, man. It has nothing to do with you.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Weather gets you a lot. Newsom firing back at Joe Rogan along with the caption bach bok and a chicken emoji. So, Dana, I like that Joe Rogan's like, I'm open to having people on the show having different conversations, but I don't think I'm gonna let this guy on because really, he just wants attention.

[Katie Pavlich]

Yeah. I think, look, and it's his show. And if you think about Kamala Harris and how she had to twist herself into NASA, come up with something that her staff could tell her why she couldn't go on or whatever it was she said in her book. I said last week that the U Hauls are the proof. And you think about some place like Palo Alto or Santa Barbara, there is no place prettier. And how can all these people want to leave? There's only one reason. Your life must be really bad or the government must be really suffocating you for you to want to leave. In addition to that, he's like, some of the energy policies are so bad they are facing $8.50 gas next year. I mean, there's a reason people want to leave. They don't want to leave, but they feel they have to leave in order to live a good life to survive.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Jesse, do you have any advice for Newsom about the manosphere and taking on Joe Rogan? Great question, man. Advice from Jesse.

[Jesse Waters]

For Newsom, it is good PR to bark at the number one podcaster, and it creates headlines, and it makes your base think like, you want to get out there. And Rogan could just maybe drag it out. And then in the fall of 28, you get this big anticipation. Finally, Newsom comes in. They do it. Rogan gets big numbers. Newsom probably falls apart, but it's okay. It'll be fine for both of them. But California is like a Lamborghini. Katie. We're not saying a Lamborghini is a bad car. We're saying you got to take care of the Lamborghini. It's like the owner always has it in the shop because he doesn't change the oil, lets the tires run down and the windows smash, and he just tapes up garbage bags. It's a beautiful car. Treat it like a beautiful car. That's all we want you to do. We never used to have this conversation about California. From the Gold rush into the early 2000s, it was paradise. It was the Golden State. Now, you know what the number one complaint is about California? The quality of life. The quality of life in paradise. And it's great if you're rich, and it's great if you're really poor. But everyone in between. No bueno. And Gavin looks at a touch. He's like, when Biden was talking about inflation, he rattles off all these statistics, but the people that are really living and breathing and feeling it, they don't feel the same way.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Yeah, Greg, as a former Californian, you.

[Dana Perino]

Know, my analogy is always that California is this incredible supermodel, and Gavin is like, this greasy, rich dude who thinks, you know, he's somehow special because she's on his arm for that one event. It's like, look at me. I got this. I got this. No, no, no, no, no. Nobody's looking at you. He's kind of like, by the way, I want to see you on Joe Rogan because I want to see how quickly your career bursts into flames. That's what I mean. But Gavin reminds me of one or two people I knew in my work past that always seemed to show up, but they weren't ever doing any work. They work really hard not to do work. So they're always kind of somewhere. They're like, if you have A birthday party, he's there. If there's a meeting, he's there. But you never really know what he's doing. And you're right. I think the part of it is that he wants. He knows he's not getting props for his effectiveness, for the things that he's done. So he has to kind of resort to the spotlight chasing. He's pretending that he's like this scrappy underdog, but he really is an elite overdog that hasn't done anything of any difference or value for California. So he has to pick fights. I mean, think about the response to the Palestine's fire. Like nothing has happened. That's on his watch. There's the exodus of people leaving California. There are the taxes. Like you say, there's corruption. And I think he's trying to say, look, I can have fun and spar with podcasters. So you might think things are fine, that there aren't any of these problems, but it's not working.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Jessica, would you like to defend Gavin Newsom's honor against Joe Rogan?

[Jessica Tarlov]

Boys being boys, right? I don't think it's. Is that not okay? I know what. I know what a man is. Listen, they're just playing around. I think it's totally fine and kind of innocuous at this point. You know, Rogan has pulled a lot of comedians to the Austin area. Some of them like it as much as they expected to. Shane Gillis was very funny about it, how he had a blackout for three days and he's like, I left New York City for this. But, you know, the economy did go from in California. It was the sixth biggest in the world for Gavin Newsom, and now it's the fourth biggest, which does seem like a change in the positive direction. And I can't do the imitation of his voice like Rogan. But, yeah, Fortune 500 companies are headquartered there. Is the weather part of it? Sure. Can you get top talent to want to come and live in a lot of these in a lot of places across California? Sure. Are there issues? Homelessness, crime? Yes. Is it getting better? Trending in the right direction? For sure. So I think, you know, Gavin Newsom, you've had him on. He did that debate with DeSantis on Sean Show. He can defend himself pretty well. People, I think, underestimate how wonky he is. And he always has a number a stat for it. So, you know, if Rogan wants to have the conversation, great. But otherwise, I just think it's the.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Voice, like he changed his perspective depending on his audience. Tends to do that, too. All right. Up next, Krine Jean Pierre is hawking her new book, unleashing on the Democrats for ousting Joe Biden.

[Katie Pavlich]

He's choosing Texas, I can tell.

[Dana Perino]

It's Will Kane country. Watch it live at noon Eastern Monday through Thursday@fox news.com or on the Fox News YouTube channel. And don't miss the show. Listen and follow the podcast five days a week at foxnewspodcasts.com or wherever you download your favorite podcasts. The Biden book Gravy Train keeps chugging along during Jean Pierre is hawking her new memoir. It's called Independent, and details how she ditched her party over the way they treated Joe Biden. Quote, I'm going to become an independent. I don't think I can stomach being in the Democratic Party anymore. KJP also making the rounds to say that President Applesauce should have never dropped out. What you said in this book is you're angry at the people who tried to push him out.

[Katie Pavlich]

Yes, that's correct.

[Dana Perino]

Some Americans are going to say seriously.

[Greg Gutfeld]

And, and, but not just the party that pushed him out, the party as it's behaving today in this moment when we need a Democratic party to be fighting.

[Dana Perino]

You said you're a member of the inner circle and you never saw the decline.

[Greg Gutfeld]

And after that, I wrote how I take this question incredibly seriously.

[Katie Pavlich]

I do. He aged and he poked fun at it. We always owned up.

[Greg Gutfeld]

And with age comes what happens when you get older.

[Dana Perino]

Jessica, Jessica, Jessica. Who is going to buy this book if it does? I mean, like, no one agrees with this. I don't understand.

[Jessica Tarlov]

You got to pick a lane if you're trying to sell a Biden book. And this is no lane that anyone wants to travel on at this point, I was actually surprised because she leaked out, you know, a few months ago that she's an independent now. So it seemed like it was going to be a burn it all down book, but she wants to burn the party down while still holding him up. And I think there is an elegant way that you could seem like you weren't totally stabbing your boss in the back without seeming like you are completely detached from reality. And I do not know who will be making the purchase, but maybe you guys told me it's all about the advance.

[Dana Perino]

Yes, it is.

[Jessica Tarlov]

It was the advance.

[Dana Perino]

You know, Dana, you some people don't know this, but you were a press secretary one day. Yeah. She basically says that she never saw the decline. How is that possible? As a press person, you were around. Was it Clinton?

[Katie Pavlich]

No, not Clinton. So I thought when the entire CBS panel looks like they all read the book and then they all had the same reaction. And so I imagine that that's going to be replicated all across the country. There might have been a story for her to be able to say that. Here I was. I mean, she was the first African American woman to be the press secretary. She might have said, I thought I'd have more access to him. I didn't.

[Dana Perino]

Is she African American?

[Katie Pavlich]

Well, I thought she.

[Dana Perino]

Isn't she from France?

[Katie Pavlich]

France?

[Jesse Waters]

She is, yeah.

[Dana Perino]

Haitian, I believe.

[Katie Pavlich]

Okay, France, French by way of.

[Dana Perino]

Yes.

[Katie Pavlich]

Okay, maybe. But I would like to interview her. I would like her to come on because I really do have questions about how anybody could actually have said what she said. Especially when we know what some of the congressional testimony was coming out from other senior members of the White House saying. Yeah, this wasn't great.

[Dana Perino]

You taller than her?

[Katie Pavlich]

Probably not.

[Dana Perino]

Yeah.

[Katie Pavlich]

Are you?

[Dana Perino]

Oh, yes. Nicely done. Jesse, is it. Do you think she is telling you the truth or she just can't admit that she covered up for Joe?

[Jesse Waters]

No, it's a loyalty play. So no one will hire her because the Democrats think she's the face of the COVID up in corporate America. No, she has no talent and she's a DEI hire. She's loyal to Biden because she was a DEI hire. Remember, Kirby was so much better and they stuck with her over Kirby. So she owes Joe and she loves Joe for that. And Joe and the family is the only way she can now make money. That's the only route she can take to have a successful career. But she's full of it. Because everyone in Biden's inner circle testified under oath to comer that they all saw a massive decline of the president over the last two years. So she should just say what everyone else says, that they preferred an incapacitated Biden over Trump.

[Dana Perino]

Yeah, that's true. What about her future? MSNBC perhaps, if it's still there or Ms. Now.

[Greg Gutfeld]

I'm not sure. Ms. Ms. Now.

[Dana Perino]

Yes, now.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Looking at the title of this independent, it's like, who is gonna buy that? Who pays attention to politics? Maybe this is for the people in the bookstore who are like somewhat interested in politics and they walk by the display and say, oh, this is interesting, maybe I'll read this. But anybody who's paid any attention, Democrats or Republicans, to her career in the Biden White House doesn't believe this. And it's actually right on brand with her kind of brand of Deception. I mean, she. She did speak on behalf of the president. She wasn't speaking in her personal capacity. However, things she was telling people for four years about inflation and the border were. Don't believe what you're seeing. And now her own. She's trying to step out on her own and her own voice, and she's continuing this, like, fake, inauthentic narrative. It's very strange.

[Dana Perino]

Keep talking.

[Greg Gutfeld]

She should do an interview with Dana.

[Jessica Tarlov]

Did Gus come back from his walk?

[Dana Perino]

No, I was just trying to figure out where KJP was born. Where was she born?

[Greg Gutfeld]

She's an American.

[Dana Perino]

Oh, I know that. Yeah, I was just checking.

[Jessica Tarlov]

This isn't a Kenyan birth certificate. Up next.

[Dana Perino]

A masked gang gets their hands on Napoleon's crown jewels. Amazon offers hourly.

[Jessica Tarlov]

Brand new video of suspected robbers breaking into a jewelry case in the Louvre in broad daylight, using a construction lift to slip in through a window and snatching priceless jewels that once belonged to Napoleon. Afterward, they took off on electric scooters, which we hate, and they are still at large. Dana, this feels like a movie, but it's real life.

[Katie Pavlich]

I would love. I hope it does become a movie. Does sound like a little bit of an inside job. That would have been great if they put the crown on their head and then try to zoom on down the road. I hope they don't break up the jewels and sell them, you know, for money. That would be. That would be not cool. Guys don't do that.

[Jessica Tarlov]

Do you think they just want to wear them around their house?

[Jesse Waters]

Jesse, if they're trans, but I doubt they are. Why do we hate people that do smash and grabs at malls and hate people that steal large sums of money from the government. But we love thieves who break into museums in Europe and steal priceless artifacts and jewelry. I think I know why we hate museums.

[Dana Perino]

That's true.

[Jesse Waters]

Because on class trips, they'd make us go to museums. The last place you want to go. And they always shush us. So this is just us. It's in our DNA rooting for thieves. Because the bad guy here, the real bad guy, is the museum.

[Jessica Tarlov]

Greg, it says a lot about Jesse that he hates museums that much.

[Dana Perino]

Well, number one, this is one of the biggest heists in France since Macron had his jewels taken. By the way, I do believe it's an inside job for insurance reasons. Cuz no one's gonna buy this stuff. Are you gonna sell this on ebay? But I have to say, I admire people who plan things like I like go like this. Was took some planning It's a caper. It's a caper. I could never pull off a caper. But I don't have the attention span for it.

[Jessica Tarlov]

You'd have to go to the bathroom too much.

[Dana Perino]

Oh, by the way, people underestimate that when you're breaking into a place, when you're robbing, you will have to pee your poop because that it causes the adrenaline. And that's why when people break, cops come in, they'll always find some kind of crap on the floor.

[Katie Pavlich]

Oh, really?

[Jessica Tarlov]

You don't wear a diaper if you're doing a heist?

[Jesse Waters]

I do.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Wow. Things I didn't know and did not need to know about these things. This reminded me that the Mona Lisa was. And then they found it again. What? Yes. Isn't that crazy? I forgot about that completely. But this is a lesson in just if you act confident and like you're supposed to be in a place, then you can get away with a lot. Because these guys were just acting like workers in the museum, like me on the five. And they just broke in and stole all this stuff and they left while they're gone. So there you go. Just put on a vest and you can get it done too.

[Jessica Tarlov]

All right, one more thing's up now.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Next.

[Jessica Tarlov]

I've never seen a diamond in the flesh.

[Jesse Waters]

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[Jessica Tarlov]

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[Greg Gutfeld]

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[Greg Gutfeld]

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[Katie Pavlich]

Before we get to one more thing, tickets to the Fox Nation Patriot Awards are on sale now. You can also grab seats to see the Five. It's live on November 6th at the Tillis center in New York. Go to foxnation.com patriot awards and it's time now for one more thing. I'll go quickly. You might have seen the highlights from the Broncos game yesterday. Broncos Giants at 190 when the Broncos were losing, I almost walked away. Thank God I stayed. My mom stayed. But we don't have the picture to show because something's wrong with the computer. But my mom went. It was great. Todd Pyro said he was gonna bring me a smoothie. I didn't get a smoothie today and Kate has my order, so I expect it tomorrow.

[Dana Perino]

You know when you do something like that. Danny, you should explain who Todd Pyro is. Cause nobody does. Yeah, he's like nobody.

[Katie Pavlich]

He's a star on your show.

[Dana Perino]

Yeah, nobody knows. Oh, sorry. Tonight we got a great show. It's Monday, 10pm Kat Tip, Michael Loftus, Julie Badass and Tom Shiloh.

[Katie Pavlich]

And what about you, Jesse?

[Jesse Waters]

Tonight, 8:00, we have undercover at the no Kings protest. We mic'd up my mother.

[Dana Perino]

Really?

[Katie Pavlich]

Jessica?

[Jessica Tarlov]

Okay, well, do you have the thing? No. Oh, okay. Jesse told me that my omts always sucked. So now I have volcanoes on Hawaii's Big Island. Mount Kilauea has erupted again. 35th episode since December 2024. No one make fun of my OMTs anymore.

[Dana Perino]

I heard there were 7 million people there. Listen to the 5 ad free on Amazon Music with your prime membership or subscribe wherever you get your podcasts.