Anti-ICE Clashes Erupt Ahead Of “No Kings” Rallies

Summary

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Episode Overview

Podcast: The Five
Date: October 17, 2025
Main Theme:
This episode explores escalating anti-ICE protests connected to the “No Kings” rallies, debates around Second Amendment rights and protest tactics, and reactions to political developments, including debates in New York, the Fetterman primary rumors, and lighter stories like Governor Pritzker’s casino win. The five co-hosts dissect news, political strategy, and their cultural implications with their characteristic blend of sharp commentary and humor.

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Key Discussion Points

1. Anti-ICE Clashes and the “No Kings” Protests

• Protest Background:
  • 16 arrested at a Broadview, Illinois ICE facility (“a common occurrence now...every Friday morning” [00:15]).
  • “No Kings” nationwide rallies are being promoted as a defense of democracy.
• Don Lemon Clip:
  • Lemon calls for minorities to arm themselves: “Go out in your place where you live and...get a gun legally…Because when you have people knocking on your door and taking you away without due process as a citizen, isn’t that what the Second Amendment was written for?” ([01:04-01:36])

Panel Reactions

• Joey Jones:
  • Skeptical of Lemon’s logic: “This isn’t tyranny. This is the law…If anything happens to an ICE agent, Don Lemon now has blood on his hands” ([03:02]).
• Jessica Tarlov:
  • Raises concerns about constitutional overreach:
    • Notes ICE’s history of detaining Americans without due process and catalogues Trump administration actions cited as authoritarian ([04:10-06:02]).
• Jesse Watters:
  • Mocks Democratic protest culture: “Every time you guys get together, someone dies or there’s a lot of fires” ([07:02]).
  • Applauds Don Lemon’s newfound support of the Second Amendment, jokes about gifting Jessica a gun ([07:50-08:48]).
• Greg Gutfeld:
  • Describes protests as an “imaginary solution for an imaginary problem,” tying mass protest energy to media-induced hysteria ([09:02-12:27]).
  • Criticizes Don Lemon’s “armed uprising” rhetoric in light of tragic violence.

Notable Quote:

• Joey Jones: “The Second Amendment is in part to repel tyranny. This isn’t tyranny. This is the law.” ([03:02])

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2. Assessing the “No Kings” Movement and Trump’s Response

• Trump (via Maria Bartiromo):
  • Dismisses accusations of acting like a king: “They’re referring to me as a king. I’m not a king.” ([02:43-02:50])
• Jessica Tarlov:
  • Focuses on alleged constitutional violations and accuses Trump of aspiring to king-like powers ([04:10-06:02]).
• Greg and Jesse:
  • Argue the movement is more about emotional release and anti-Trump hysteria than substantive grievances ([09:02-12:27]).

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3. Media Coverage and Protest Optics

• Panel lambasts the “Dress Up” Protesters:
  • Light mocking of costumes and youth protest culture (references to “furries,” Pikachu) with the underlying point that theatrical protest undermines arguments ([06:02-06:32]).
• Jesse Watters:
  • Contrasts “No Kings” rallies with earlier Tea Party movement (“Ours was a little more organic. This seems a little more astroturfed…there was money raised, there was policies behind it. And it got a lot of traction…” [07:14-07:34]).

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4. Political Debates and Local Races

New York Mayoral Debate

• Recap of Candidates:
  • Zoran Mamdani, Andrew Cuomo, Curtis Sliwa bicker over policing, experience, and reform ([14:08-15:21]).
• Martha MacCallum:
  • Critiques Zoran’s shifting stance on Hamas (“He smiled, he said, absolutely, Hamas needs to lay down their arms. So this is…something that he thought about after an unsuccessful exchange…” [16:24])
• Panel:
  • Jokes about qualifications (“Even Greg could be mayor…one guy killed everyone’s grandparents, the other guy’s never had a job, the other guy lives with cats” [17:57-18:15]).
• Jessica Tarlov:
  • Points to authenticity as a winning trait: “This entire election has been about authenticity more than policy” ([19:51]).
  • Highlights a memorable debate line: “What I lack in experience, I make up for in integrity…” ([19:51-20:19])
• Greg Gutfeld:
  • Critiques rich elites fueling radicalism: “Our rich are more extreme than the poor in other countries. That’s kind of freaky.” ([21:33])

Virginia Attorney General Race

• Jay Jones’ apology for violent texts:
  • Public mea culpa: "I am ashamed. I am embarrassed. And I'm sorry...I cannot take back what I said." ([15:39])
• Joey Jones:
  • Questions sincerity: “If you're really sorry, you wouldn't be running…” ([16:03])

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5. Fetterman and Democratic Divisions

• Axios Report:
  • Rumors of a primary challenge to Sen. John Fetterman. Framing this as Democrats plotting a “coup” ([24:53-25:17]).
• Jessica Tarlov:
  • Pushes back against the “coup” framing, says primaries are healthy contests of ideas ([25:57]).
• Greg Gutfeld:
  • Attributes intra-party tensions to Fetterman's refusal to engage in identity politics ([28:03-28:56]).
• Joey Jones:
  • Praises Fetterman’s authenticity and willingness to engage with opposing arguments ([29:56-31:36]).
• Martha:
  • Notes Democrats may stick with Fetterman for strategic reasons despite discord ([27:25]).

Notable Quotes:

• Joey Jones: “I could go hang out and watch a football game with John Fetterman and not be repulsed by…the last five things he said on TV.” ([30:44])
• Greg Gutfeld: “You just need one person to speak up to the mob. And then everybody comes in and they share the risk.” ([28:56])

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6. Lighter Segment Highlights

JB Pritzker’s Casino Winnings

• Topic: Illinois Gov. Pritzker wins $1.4 million gambling in Las Vegas ([32:25-33:29]).
• Jesse Watters:
  • Downplays the sum compared to Pritzker’s fortune, jokes about “high limit table” strategy ([33:04]).
• Greg Gutfeld:
  • “He puts the roll in high rollers…it is peanuts for [him]. The guy loves to gamble because he loves the buffet. One addiction feeds another.” ([33:52])
• Joey Jones:
  • Defends Pritzker’s right to keep the winnings: “That’s probably the most honest money that man’s ever earned.” ([34:24])

Roommate Annoyances & Personal Quirks (FMO Friday)

• Hosts share amusing self-criticisms and habits ([34:58-37:34]).

Personal Reflection

• Joey Jones’ tribute to Marcus Burleson:
  • “Mark, like many of us, was not a perfect man, but he was truly a perfect friend...I’ll miss him here on Earth, but if I make it to heaven, he'll be…arms wide open, ready to welcome me.” ([39:01-39:52])

Uplifting Story

• Jessica Tarlov:
  • Highlights 80-year-old Natalie Grabo completing the Ironman World Championship ([39:56-40:17]).

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Don Lemon (via clip):
  • “Go out in your place where you live and get a gun legally...Isn’t that what the Second Amendment was written for?” ([01:04-01:36])
• Joey Jones:
  • “If anything happens to an ICE agent, Don Lemon now has blood on his hands.” ([03:02])
• Jessica Tarlov:
  • “[No Kings Day is about] the lack of respect for the Constitution and the laws of this country…starting with the basics: signing an executive order to do away with birthright citizenship…” ([04:10])
• Greg Gutfeld:
  • “It’s a perfect example of an imaginary solution for an imaginary, imaginary problem.” ([09:02])
• Jesse Watters (on giving Jessica a gun):
  • “Even Jessica should get a gun to protect herself—from Greg.” ([08:05])
• Joey Jones (on Fetterman):
  • “The best part of Congress are those that aren't so adherent to one line list of talking points…” ([30:44])
• Greg Gutfeld (on no kings protest):
  • “You can't spell no kings without no kin. A lot of these people just don't have family, and this is what they do.” ([11:30])

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Quick Segment Timestamps

• Anti-ICE Protest Recap & Don Lemon Clip: 00:05–01:36
• Panel Response on Second Amendment/Protests: 03:02–09:00
• Trump Responds to ‘King’ Label: 02:43–02:52
• New York Mayoral Debate and Critique: 14:08–21:30
• Fetterman Democratic ‘Coup’ Discussion: 24:53–31:59
• Pritzker’s Vegas Winnings: 32:25–34:40
• FMO Friday—Roommate Annoyances: 34:58–37:34
• Joey’s Memorial for Burleson: 39:01–39:52
• Oldest Ironman Finisher: 39:56–40:22

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Summary Conclusion

This episode of The Five delivers a high-energy blend of news analysis, political satire, and personal banter. Major themes are government power versus protest, shifting boundaries on gun rights, the performative nature of political activism, and the internal divisions within the Democratic Party. Throughout, the hosts combine pointed debate with humor, often lampooning political figures and each other, but also providing space for serious and heartfelt commentary, particularly in moments of remembrance and inspiration.

Transcript

[A]

Hello there, Everybody. I'm Martha McCallum along with Joey Jones, Jessica Tarlov, Jesse Waters, and Greg Gutfeld. There you are. It's five o' clock in New York City, and this is the five. Protesters are gearing up for the second anti Trump no Kings protest nationwide. More heated clashes erupting outside the Broadview, Illinois ICE facility near Chicago. This is a common occurrence now. It happens every Friday morning. Today, at least 16 people were arrested at this protest. Former CNN anchor Don Lemon wants to just rev the whole thing up a little bit more. He's calling for people to arm themselves. Watch this.

[B]

If you believe in the Second Amendment, if you believe in the Constitution, black people, brown people of all stripes, whether you're an Indian American or a Mexican American or whoever you are, go out in your place where you live and.

[C]

Get a gun legally.

[B]

Get a license to carry legally. Because when you have people knocking on your door and taking you away without due process as a citizen, isn't that what the Second Amendment was written for?

[A]

All right, we're going to talk about that. Meanwhile, the media and Democrats pumping up this weekend's anti Trump no Kings rally as the only way to save democracy.

[B]

There is nothing more American than a political process.

[C]

The American Revolution was a no Kings.

[D]

Rally that this unhinged White House spokesperson would suggest that that's hateful. That's not hateful. What's hateful is what happened on January 6th. That was a Hate America rally sponsored by Donald Trump.

[B]

I don't think you're going to walk away from this weekend and come to the conclusion that America doesn't care about the destruction of our democracy. They're trying to call us terrorists, the Hamas swing of the party. I mean, the shit that they are saying is disgusting.

[A]

President Trump speaking with Maria Bartiromo and responding to all of this and the upcoming no Kings protests. Mr. President, do you think that the government shutdown is all about this rally that's happening this weekend, the no Kings rally? No.

[B]

I mean, some people say they want.

[C]

To delay it for the king. This is more the king.

[B]

You know, they're saying they're referring to me as a king. I'm not a king.

[D]

Right.

[A]

All right, Joey, let's start with you. And let's start with Don Lemon's point that he made there. Everybody should go out and get a gun.

[D]

Yeah, I agree with him completely. Everybody should go out and get a gun legally, where you can. The problem is just about any city that has laws he's advocated for, you can't get one legally. Even if you are a citizen. On top of that, if you. If you are a citizen and they're coming to your house and beating the door down, it's because your hermano is illegal, and he's wanted for rape or murder. He brought a backpack of drugs here with him, and he needs to go. And if you have a problem with that and pull a gun out on ICE for doing their job, you'll suffer the same lowly fate that a lot of people have, and then they'll all be crying at your funeral. That's just the truth of it. Absolutely. The Second Amendment is in part to repel tyranny. This isn't tyranny. This is the law. This is enacting the law. And let's just say if anything happens to an ICE agent, Don Lemon now has blood on his hands. If. If he had a platform big enough to reach people that we didn't lend him by playing that video.

[A]

Jessica, you know, what do you think as you look at these protests and what Joey just said about the lawful apprehension of individuals that ICE has worked on, cases that they've worked on, who they are, and the other people that they're rounding up have agitated against them or threatened them in some of these situations?

[E]

In the Broadview protests, sure, they certainly have rounded up some bad hombres. And I think if you attack a police officer, then, you know, you should be taken in and also get your due process rights. But we also know There was a ProPublica investigation that more than 170Americans have been detained by ICE, with 20 held for more than a day without being able to contact their lawyer or a loved one. And that's what the no Kings protest is about. Donald Trump says, I'm not a king. And, yeah, we get it. You're not a king. You wish you were a king, and you're running this administration as if you should have those kinds of rights. The lack of respect for the Constitution and the laws of this country are astounding. Trump even told Kristen Welker when he was on Meet the Press a few months ago that he didn't know if he had to uphold the Constitution. And in preparation for today's show, I just wanted to go over, you know, a few of the things that people who are going to be out there on the streets peacefully protesting are upset about. Starting with the basics. Signing an executive order to do away with birthright citizenship, which is literally in the Constitution. Sending troops into blue cities. Oh, you mean unilaterally. Unilaterally implementing tariffs Which Congress gets to do. I already talked about the 170Americans who've been locked up cracking down on the First Amendment, detaining students for op eds. You don't like targeting law firms, universities, reallocating funds appropriated by Congress to fund your big ICE force, firing inspectors generals that are looking into your friends like Elon Musk, making billions off of crypto scams. And your kids are running all over the world making deals. And the Trump administration has defied one in three judges that have ruled against him. And you're seeing that from judges appointed up from Reagan up to Donald Trump that are saying, absolutely not you. You are breaking the law in taking some of these actions. All of that is what no Kings Day is about.

[D]

Then why are they always dressed like a furry, screaming about not always boys.

[E]

And girls just show how ridiculous.

[D]

Like they are ridiculous.

[E]

Rather they be like, if they want.

[D]

To make some sort of intellectual argument. I don't think dressing up like a unicorn and running out there and screaming.

[E]

Every time it is an intellectual argument to say how you do that. Just what I'm making it up about what's going on here at that ICE facility because I'm dressed as Pikachu, whatever that is. And posing no threat, they arrested a guy who was singing.

[C]

His voice was terrible. Jessica.

[E]

All right, let's bring the intellectuality to.

[A]

The Trump A king.

[C]

Well, I just lay out the argument on July 4th with the rest of the normal Americans by barbecuing and lighting off fireworks. The Democrats, every time they do gather together, it's not mostly peaceful. The BLM riots, Portland, the anti Musk protests. Every time you guys get together, someone dies or there's a lot of fires. Usually we come out and do these things and it springs forth. The Tea Party, that was like a legitimate protest movement. The Democrats are trying to do their little Tea Party thing. Ours was a little more organic. This seems a little more astroturfed. And remember, ours was. We had political candidates that came out of it. There was a lot of organization. There was money raised, There was policies behind it. And it got a lot of traction. And I don't know if this has legs. I'm not really sure. But the Democrats aren't really about democracy. They took 14 million votes from Joe Biden and crowned Kamala Harris, who got none. The Democrats rigged primaries against Bernie. And then when they do get power, they censure free speech and lock up their political opponents. As a matter of fact, Joe Biden was kind of treated like a frail, ailing king himself. He Hid, he ate ice cream, he napped, and if you got near him, he snapped. Now, I do agree with you on Don Lemon, and I love how Donald Trump has made Don embrace the Second Amendment. Every law abiding American should arm themselves. Everyone except my mom. Even, even Jessica should get a gun to protect herself from Greg. But when you do get a gun, your first gun, something changes in your body. You start respecting the law, it makes you a different person. It makes you understand police, it makes you cautious and concerned. And sooner or later, you're going to start buying land in Montana and then you're going to vote for America first. So, Jessica, I would like to almost gift you a weapon.

[E]

So I moved to Montana. Will you also buy me a ranch?

[C]

I will buy you one acre. Land is cheap.

[D]

Jesse Waters will buy land in Montana. The rest of us is more like West Virginia.

[E]

I'll come hang out with you in Georgia.

[A]

All right, let's get Greg in here. Greg.

[B]

Well, I always. Jessica did this list, Persuasion, you know, where you just start nailing all these things down. First Amendment, the universities, ice, crypto. I think there were like three other things. But I got to wonder, was that the same list from a year ago? Because this is the second time it wasn't. Because it wasn't those issues back then. It's not about those issues this year the way it wasn't about those issues last year. It's always about Trump and the mass hysteria around Trump. They have to preserve it because it's all they've invested into. It says something that no kings is happening while Trump is brokering peace around the world. He's done, like, I don't know, seven, eight piece deals. It shows that that doesn't matter. It's, you know, it's a full blown emotional vendetta has taken over their lives. Doesn't matter what he does. So how is this possible? How can you have good things happening around the world and people participating in mass hysteria? Because it's easy and it's fun. Anger requires no thought, no labor, no risk. Remember how Biden played the rage card whenever he never did anything else? Remember the rioting and looting after George Floyd? It was a replacement for thoughtful action. And the media decided to redefine it as a struggle that whenever, you know, anybody did something violent, it had something to do with some kind of struggle having the no kings. Eventually, after Trump, you know, figures out Middle east peace, it's like holding a wedding after the couple broke off the engagement the night before. We're still going to Go through with the ceremony anyway. We paid for the food, we already made the flyers. But the media indulges this idea that passion equals effort, and they reward people for their feelings and not. And not what they're actually doing. So it's a perfect. It's a perfect example again of an imaginary solution for an imaginary, imaginary problem. The trans bathrooms, the climate models, white supremacy in the military, these were all imaginary problems that then called for imaginary solution. The problem is the trans solution. And a lot of these protest solutions, they're not harmless. Like, you could have surgical or psychological division in any of those. If it's just some mindless little thing where you're just standing out in front of Fox yelling like those little old ladies do. By the way, I think, no, you can't spell no kings without no kin. A lot of these people just don't have family, and this is what they do. As for Don Lemon, you're right. You're right. I wish I could buy a gun in New York City, but I can't because people like Don Lemon have forbade me from doing that. I've never heard him talk on behalf of the Second Amendment. And for my right to own a gun in New York City, you wouldn't believe the hoops I have to jump through. And I won't get into it. But he also worked under the assumption at CNN that he was a reputable, unbiased journalist. But now you remove the pompous scaffolding of a cable news channel and you see that he's a super self serving, bent crank with emotional issues. The fact that he's like preaching an armed uprising after Charlie Kirk was murdered says that he, he's. This isn't just hyperbole to him. It's a violent movement that he wants to get in front of for clicks and likes because he's got nothing else.

[A]

Yeah, I would just say that, you know, if you want to see a king and a authoritarian, look at Vladimir Putin who is sending people to be slaughtered in huge waves and they have no choice in the matter. You look at an energetic executive, you have a lot of action happening, and that makes a lot of people nervous because they're used to the prior administration when there wasn't really an energetic executive. And so you are going to see pushback. But we see President Trump sometimes get things through, sometimes get blocked, and his government, you know, is shut down right now. It isn't really something that he wants to be seeing, but, you know, there are checks and balances, and you see them playing out Every day. But what you see is someone pushing against it and seeing what they can get under presidential powers. And I think there are, you know, there are checks on that. So. Coming up, debate night in America. Zo Run Mamdani. Andrew Cuomo and Curtis Sliwa brawling it out in New York last night while Jay Jones answers for his murder texts in Virginia.

[E]

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[B]

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[D]

Debate night in America in New York. Socialist Zoron, Socialist Zoran and Andrew Cuomo and Republican Curtis Sliwa brawling over who should run the Big Apple.

[B]

He literally has never had a job. On his resume it says he interned for his mother.

[C]

He had more than 10 years and he couldn't name a single mosque.

[B]

I know you think you're the toughest guy alive, but let me tell you something. You lost your own primary, right? You were rejected by your Democrats. Why do you have a difficult understanding that what the term no is you're not going to stand up to Donald Trump? I am not running to defund the police. I am running to actually work with.

[C]

The police to deliver public safety. Andrew Cuomo says that he has stood up to ice. He has not said a word about.

[B]

The abductions that are happening right now. The dsa, which you give your part of your salary to, that's their position. Abolish jails, no new carceral facilities, don't enforce misdemeanors. Thank God I'm not a professional politician. We have the architect and we have the apprentice of no cash bail, which has been a disaster. We have the architect and the apprentice here of raise the age.

[D]

Yeah. And that was the only debate over in Virginia. Things were heating up. Democratic candidate for attorney General Jay Jones was on the defense. Jones apologizing for his sick murder. Text messages, the ones where he talked about putting two bullets into a GOP colleague's head.

[B]

I am ashamed. I am embarrassed. And I'm sorry. I am sorry to Speaker Gilbert, I'm sorry to his family. I'm sorry to my family, and I'm sorry to every single Virginian. I cannot take back what I said. But you have my word that I will always be accountable for my mistakes. Saying that he is sorry.

[C]

Jay, if you're really sorry, you wouldn't.

[B]

Be running if you really understood the ramifications of what you said about an innocent mom and her children.

[D]

Martha, you sat down with Zoran. You got to meet him face to face, get a feel for him. Did you see anything in that debate that surprised you? Did it kind of play out the way you thought it would?

[A]

Well, I asked him the other day if he thought Hamas should lay down their arms and pointed out to him that they're now shooting people inside, shooting Palestinians inside of Gaza. And he said, I don't have an opinion on that. No, I wouldn't necessarily suggest that Hamas has to lay down their arms. This is after calling for a cease fire for months and months and months over the course of this. But then last night when they asked him, he said, he smiled, he said, absolutely, Hamas needs to lay down their arms. So this is, you know, something that he thought about after an unsuccessful exchange over that issue and changed his mind on last night. They pressed him on a lot of things. I pressed him on a lot of things. The experience issue is another big one. He, you know, he has not ever really held a job other than assemblyman. We have lots of long term politicians who have. I mean, I don't think Joe Biden never had a job except for being in office. But we do find that it's pretty helpful to people like Mayor Bloomberg, for example, when they've run something, when they've managed something before they get to the job. So. But, you know, I think he did what he had to do last night in terms of sort of keeping his position, and he's well ahead at this moment.

[D]

Jesse. I mean, I think most people say you've had a job. I don't know. But you at least understand this. A job? No.

[B]

Every day, a little under the belt, Joy.

[E]

It's a gift.

[D]

But when you look at this, you have two older guys that have been around forever and a guy that, like Martha just said, has never had a job. And it's almost like the people in New York are throwing all the policies aside and saying, oh, well, that's different. I'll vote for that. Yeah.

[C]

I mean, you look at these guys, even Greg could be mayor. You go up there, one guy killed everyone's grandparents. The other guy's never had a job. The other guy lives with cats. I'd go in and I'd say, you said I'd never been to a mosque. You've never been to a gym. You couldn't even bench £100. You said you bought pot at a pot shop. Were you high when you came up with these policies? Are you high now? That's how you get. Throw him off his game because he's all smiles, he's all super relaxed. When this guy hates Columbus, this guy hates cops. I look him square in the eye and say, you want to lead the financial capital of the world? You can't even do math. I'd actually ask him a math equation. I'd say, what's 17 divided by? He couldn't do it. And I just watched the clock tick and sweat. Then I'd say, who's your favorite player on the Knicks? Name one player on the Knicks. Just name one player. And then I'd say, who's your favorite pitcher on the Yankees? You can name any pitcher on the Yankees. Name one. And then I'd say, could you imagine this guy throwing out the first pitch at a Yankee game? He's got no arm, he's got no brain, he's got no taste. Where's your favorite slice, buddy? Name your favorite slice in New York City. He couldn't do it. I would say, this guy is going to destroy New York City, and I won't let him.

[D]

If I learned anything from that, it's that I'm not qualified to be mayor of New York City. I didn't have an answer for you for hardly any of those, Jessica. I don't know. I look at this and I see a guy who is polished enough, he's got enough people behind him telling him what to say, when to say it. I guess maybe the silver lining there, because I don't know if he's your guy either. I guess the silver lining there, and I think this about aoc, but she's kind of proving me wrong as she gets older, is when they come in really young, they're still impressionable, and they can still be pulled in a direction. I know some of the finance guys are starting to back him or at least not be against him, and is it because maybe they can turn him into the puppet they need?

[E]

I think that they want to have a relationship with the mayor of New York. And it's clear that the numbers have borne that out at this point. Eric Adams got out too late, and Curtis Lee was going to get, you know, 13 to 15% of the vote. And so he's not getting out. He said he turned down $10 million to stay in that race. And I thought that last night. And really, this entire election has been about authenticity more than policy. I don't know if everyone thinks there is going to be free buses or that the rent's going to get frozen. But I think a lot of this was summed up in what I thought was Madani's best line of the evening, said to Cuomo, what? I don't have an experience, I make up for an integrity. And what Andrew Cuomo lacks in integrity, he could never make up for with experience. And Republicans and Democrats both agree with that about Andrew Cuomo. It seemed like Curtis Sliwa frankly hated Cuomo more than Mamdani or anyone else in this. And I just. Curtis Lewis is a great New York character, and that came through. I was telling you guys before the show started that I had friends that hadn't really paid attention to him or seen interviews, and they said, well, that guy got, like, shot in the back of a cab in 1992. And also, where was your beret? Your beret is your signature. So he should have had that. But, you know, when you have Sliwa, who is this great New York character, going that hard after Cuomo as well, I think that people start to just say, this is what is going to happen, and we should figure out a way to work together.

[D]

You know, Greg, anybody named Jay Jones, that's a red flag automatically like, I don't trust that guy at all. And then you add on top of that, these text messages, and you can go either way with this. You go, New York Mayor or the Virginia.

[B]

Stop you right there, Joey. I want to talk about New York.

[D]

I thought so.

[B]

Yeah. And by the way, the reason why I want to bring up New York is because I do think that the J. Jones things is more of a side story. This has a bigger meaning towards all of America. It's why America. Why should America think about this? You have to remember that Zoran is a rich elite. Just because he's young and you haven't heard of him doesn't make him just some kind of radical from the street. He is a rich elite, a Nepo baby. And you got to ask yourself, why are you, our elites, more radical and extreme than the poor in other countries? Our rich are more extreme than the poor in other countries. That's kind of freaky. You know, Trump again, got different factions to agree to a peace deal, but here you have rich people who want revolution, who say capitalism is evil. The radical, the radicals on our campus are every bit as scary and rabid as the radical pro Hamas supporters in Gaza. Hell, like you said, Zoran wouldn't even say he had an opinion on disarming Hamas. He's in America. I'm sure there are people have that opinion in Gaza. Our radicals preach compassion, but the distance from their consequences desensitizes them from actual suffering. That's why you have this. Their so called targets, whether it's Jews, Trumpers, white folk, they become abstract enemies. It's very important. It's very easy to identify, to demonize them. While it's also easy for them to romanticize real threats from far away, whether it is, you know, is Islamists of any stripe. Lastly, there was a question in there that people said that Madame screwed up on. He was asked how much, how he would pay for the $10 billion in freebies. It doesn't matter because the people voting for him won't be paying for it. The people not voting for him will be paying for it. That is the terrible lesson for America. The left can see how to win by telling all the people who won't pay taxes that if they vote for him, he'll get the suckers us to pay the taxes to get all that free stuff that he's promising. It's like telling kids there's going to be free ice cream at recess. Obviously somebody else is paying for it, but the point is it's not them. So we're just sitting there and we are actually watching ourselves being robbed politically. This guy is up there saying like, hey everybody, I'm see these guys over here, I'm taking their money and I'm giving it to you. You vote for me and you're saying some finance guys. The only reason why the finance guys do this, because they're greedy little pigs. They just want to make sure they, they find a way to save their money.

[D]

All right, well maybe Don will talk him into letting us all have guns and then I'll get an illegal to go vote for me. All right ahead, another Democratic coup is in the works. The knives are out for John Federman.

[E]

Yeah.

[C]

Democrats have coup fever again. Axios reports that Democrats are plotting a Fetterman ouster. Quote, top Democrats in Pennsylvania are maneuvering to run against Senator John fetterman in a 2028 primary contest threatening to tear the party apart in the biggest battleground state in the nation. Because of course the Dems want to shiv the only sane guy in their party.

[E]

How do Democrats win back white men like yourself?

[B]

I don't know. And truthfully, I'm not sure. I'm not sure if that's possible, to be honest. You can't defend when people are damaging buildings. That is not peaceful protests just because sometimes it might decision that President Trump did. It's like, maybe like reflexively, you have to be opposed that. Don't ever, ever compare anyone to Hitler. We can't compare people to these kinds of figures in history.

[C]

And so, Jessica, this guy won a state that Trump has won twice, maybe three times, and he's very popular, it seems like. Why would you want to get rid of him?

[E]

Well, I, I don't. I'm not necessarily doing a primary challenge. But you marketed it as a coup, and last time I checked, a primary is not a coup. It's letting people see a contest of ideas and pick who they want. And Conor Lamb, who's one of the names being floated. So originally in the primary with Fetterman, it's interesting because people thought he would be too conservative, and now they have this buyer's remorse problem with Fetterman himself. There are a lot of people who have gone on the record who have worked for him. You know, there was that big piece about his mental health struggles and erratic behavior. He has a lot of turnover in his office. His press secretary, for instance, just left yesterday or the day before. It's obviously a complicated situation in there. But I will remind people, as I did regularly when Joe Manchin was still in office, that what somebody says on TV matters less than how they vote. And John Fetterman barely votes with Republicans, and with Trump is 6% of the time. And it is hard to win a Democratic seat in a state that Trump won this time. You know, Josh Shapiro, obviously very successful Democratic governor with a 60% plus approval rating. But you need to be conscious of the things that really do matter. And I look at votes most of the time when it comes to that.

[C]

You know, Martha, after the election, Democrats said they need to reconnect with the working class and they need to lean into authenticity. Isn't that Fetterman?

[A]

Yeah, absolutely, it's Fetterman. He's not up until 2028. And, you know, McCormick just won that seat in Pennsylvania. That proves that it's a very purpley state. You know, that was. That was a big win. So I think by the time they get around to the presidential election, they're probably not going to want to rock the boat necessarily. I think this is just sort of a fashionable idea to go against the one person who doesn't hate President Trump on the Democratic Senate side.

[C]

Is it because, Greg, he wears a hoodie and they're just jealous.

[E]

That's why you hate him, by the way.

[B]

It's because he's white.

[C]

It's because he's White?

[B]

Yeah. You know, there's no Democrat that has any credibility calling him unstable. When you've seen what they put out in the last couple of years, I mean, they got a dude that looks like a lady or is a lady anyway, and I'll get to that. The biggest tool for the Democrats has been identity politics, and they've used it for everything, but they can't use it on men. And he knows that because the very tool is. Is like, it exploits the default mode of female compassion. Our job is to provide and protect. It doesn't work on us. We're not going to put strangers before our family. You know, if we feel like we're going to cross the street because those guys look dangerous, we don't care if you call us racist. We're going to bring our kid and go across the street. Identity politics would then say that you're racist. He's. He doesn't traffic in that stuff. And it kind of threatens the. I think the. A lot of Democrat leaders who still believe that these activists have power, they don't. I mean, he's popular among Democrats, Republicans, and Independents because he rejects the divisive oppression race, identity politics, you know, but he's the only one, and you only need one. I said it yesterday that, like, you know, you just need one person to speak up to the mob. And then everybody comes in and they share the risk. This is what happened with trans. Everybody was terrified of speaking up about trans, but then when some did, all of a sudden everybody did. And then those activists, they just kind of scrambled away. And I think that's what's going to happen here. It's funny, you look at, like, I go back to, like, looking at the no Kings thing, and you see the bulk of protesters are mostly older white women. You know, they're mostly alone. They're without families. They thought globally and ignored locally. And what he's saying is that's not how men think.

[D]

Joey, did you say it doesn't matter what you say, it's how you vote? I don't want to misquote you. You're talking about getting legislation passed and, like, brass tacks. Right? I agree with you, but I think it does matter what you say, and that's the whole point of this. You could vote the way Chris Murphy or Adam Schiff votes and still be a decent human being, but they choose not to. That's the problem. Just think if most Democrats, and for that part, some Republicans voted the way they always vote and didn't say the crazy things they say. The divisive things they say, the hateful and unnecessary things they say. You can challenge John Fetterman on any of his votes. And what he says about it isn't going to be how horrible Trump is. He's going to give you whatever his argument is on supporting that issue. What if we lived in that world and it's a dangerous game. The Republicans lost this game because one of the bad effects from the Tea Party was all the Blue Dog Democrats got beat to the right and then that seat got backfilled to the left and you lost the people that you could play ball with. I mean, I would argue that, that, that the best part of Congress are those that aren't so adherent to one line list of talking points that you can have a conversation with them. And there aren't many of them left. And John Fetterman has at least turned into one of them. I could go hang out and watch a football game with John Fetterman and not be repulsed by thinking about the last five things he said on tv. There aren't many politicians in general I don't feel that way about. And I think that is something that's important. And Democrats probably will get rid of it because they got rid of Manchin, they got rid of Sinema because they voted against him on a couple things like a budget bill or something like this. And it's going to be bad for the rest of us, for all of us.

[A]

It's interesting that the guy who wears the hoodie and the shorts is the gentleman of the Senate or the guy.

[B]

Who had a stroke.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

And his recovery is remarkable. And his part of it when he recovered, he's been through. Democrats suddenly didn't like what he was saying.

[E]

And Greg and Jesse suddenly did.

[B]

Yeah. No, but I've admitted it.

[C]

Yeah, I admitted I was wrong. We were all time I was wrong about something.

[A]

Be able to do the job.

[C]

And he comes on Fox. That's pretty good for a Democrat. Ahead, JB gobbles up all the chips in Vegas the fastest is up next.

[B]

Amazon offers hourly.

[A]

Yeah.

[E]

Welcome back. Illinois Governor J.B. pritzker revealing via his tax filings that he's won $1.4 million after playing blackjack and at a casino in Las Vegas last year. Watch.

[C]

I went on vacation with my wife with some friends.

[B]

I was incredibly lucky.

[D]

You have to be to to end up ahead, frankly, going to a casino anywhere. It was in Las Vegas.

[B]

And I like to play cards.

[D]

Had fun doing it.

[E]

Jesse, try to be objective here. Doesn't this just Be talking about I love this.

[C]

Yeah, hit him on this.

[D]

I was right tell how happy is.

[C]

Because he's smil filing the whole time he's worth $1 billion for and. And last time he funded his campaign was 170 million dollar check he cut so to win 1.4 is peanuts. You go to a high limit table and you bet 100 grand a hand. You double down a few times, you walk away in 10 minutes with one for cash it out. I'm just shocked he reported is very.

[E]

Not trumpian to report it. Martha, what do you think of JB in the cards?

[A]

I think it's fine, you know I mean I asked me how many times I've played roulette how many times Martha once asked me how much money I won.

[C]

How much money, Martha?

[A]

$600.

[C]

Yeah.

[D]

Martha, we're going to the casino.

[A]

Never playing again.

[E]

I Greg, what have you got?

[B]

What have I got?

[E]

Yeah.

[B]

Well, he puts the roll in high rollers and it is peanuts for. It's very simple. The guy loves to gamble because he loves the buffet. One addiction feeds another, so to speak. But he doesn't just bet on things, bets on him. I heard that the moment he sits down for a meeting, his staffers place bets on whether the chair collapses.

[E]

Where did you hear that, Greg?

[B]

From the same guy who told me that they bet on how many sliders they could fit in his mouth.

[E]

He's got a lot of this.

[B]

Well, it was epic.

[A]

Time to run for president.

[E]

Yes, Joey.

[D]

You know, they're like saying that he's going to give the money to charity, like shaming him into giving it away. It's like that's probably the most honest money that man's ever earned. Why would he give that away? Maybe you take another look at that 4 billion. Maybe. But leave the man alone. He gambled, he won. And that's how it works.

[E]

I love it. FMO Friday's up next. We're going to do three questions.

[B]

First question, what would be the most annoying thing about having you as a roommate? Jesse.

[C]

Does it surprise you that I can't think of anything that would annoy other people about me? I'm gonna surprise you. I am wonderful.

[B]

You know what it is? It's your humility is what drives people crazy.

[C]

That's right.

[D]

That's right.

[C]

It makes them feel insecure.

[B]

Yes, yes, yes. What about you, Jessica? Everything's on a high shelf.

[E]

Yeah. I mean actually a little bit. We're a very large couple.

[A]

Yeah.

[E]

I get up to pee so many times overnight I have like the bladder of a 70 year old man and.

[C]

The bladder of Greg.

[E]

I didn't want to just laugh in.

[C]

The commercial.

[E]

Between the DNA or the cnn.

[B]

Yeah, that way I don't have to pee on the way home. That's what I'm planning ahead.

[C]

You can also just do it after the show.

[B]

No, but then he has to get out right away. I want to get out right away.

[C]

We want you to get out too.

[B]

All right. Joey.

[D]

Yeah. I've been accused of leaving too many of my things in too many places. Not putting stuff up. That's probably the worst thing. I'd say the worst thing is that once I take my legs off, I'm going to be like, hey, will you hand me that? Will you turn that light off? You know, like it's a lot of, a lot of little beck and call stuff.

[B]

People yell at you like, why do you leave your legs here? Clean up.

[D]

No, I just get a lot of looks. Yeah, a lot of looks. Like really, you can't just go do your wife, right?

[E]

That's giving you these looks.

[D]

Pretty much everybody in the house gets asked, hey, we do that, we do that. We do this. I mean, once I take my legs off, it's, it's off.

[B]

What about you, Martha?

[A]

No, no, no, I don't get any complaints.

[B]

You don't get any complaints? Well, what if you, what if by some chance you end up having to live?

[A]

I don't like it when other people don't, you know, pick up their stuff. No, I, you know, I have little idiosyncrasies. Like I, I have to go out one door or back in. I have weird little like that kind of thing.

[C]

You can take medication for that.

[A]

I know I'm a little bit OCD about certain things.

[B]

I have not. I have. Every now and then I will have a night terror.

[D]

No, really?

[B]

Yes. And when you, like when you have people staying over at your house and they hear this, like.

[A]

Someone go save.

[B]

And it's, it's me.

[C]

I was gonna say the gas was probably the thing.

[D]

Turned everybody off about you.

[B]

That too. And I sleepwalk in the nude. There are other things too, but that's later. One More Thing is up next.

[C]

America's favorite pizza chain.

[A]

Time for One More Thing.

[B]

Oh, tonight we have a great one. Cat Temp. Michael Malice. David Angelo. Andrew Gruel. That's tonight at 10pm let's do this brave sexy elephant news with Brush Hume. Shall we go to an elephant in a fountain? Look at that delightful elephant at the Werribee Open Range. Zoo in Australia. The elephants took a dip off the cool temperatures broke 90 degrees. Elephants love to splash and play together as a form of social bonding. My good friend Juan Williams often like to look at the elephants. When Molly Hemingway was on the show, she often said, where can I see an elephant? Those were the days. Back to you.

[D]

Joey's looking at you. He's not even cracking his.

[A]

Jesse.

[C]

All right, you guys want to see the biggest pumpkin in America?

[B]

Your face.

[C]

Look at that thing. $20,000. It weighs 2,300 pounds.

[A]

$20,000.

[C]

They call it the Pritzker for a.

[B]

Pumpk that's a high roller.

[D]

Put the pump and pumpkin tonight.

[C]

Jesse, where's prime time? We have a vac, Catalina Cat and.

[A]

Mike Waltz, 8:00pm okay, Joe. All right, Sorry.

[C]

Still thinking about that pumpkin?

[E]

Yeah.

[D]

Okay, so there might be some pictures pop up here. Today we had a service for my good friend Marcus Burleson, a Marine Corps veteran with EOD tech. He lost both his arms. You can see he had one robot hand. A lot of funny stories about it. I wrote something here. I'll say it real quick. Mark, like many of us, was not a perfect man, but he was truly a perfect friend. He was always there, always had something positive to say when I needed to hear it, something funny to say when I need to be distracted and still willing to call things as he saw them, even if it hurt my feelings. I love Mark. He's my brother. I'd say brother in arms, but that's just too funny and not exactly true. Our friendship outgrew the Marine Corps, eod, Afghanistan, and even Purple Hearts. Our friendship, our brotherhood, was about life, family, and getting through each day with similar values and constant struggles. I'll miss him here on Earth, but if I make it to heaven, he'll be renewed and arms wide open, ready to welcome me.

[C]

Very nice.

[D]

Love you, brother.

[A]

Yeah, that's Beautiful, Jessica.

[E]

At 80 years old, New Jersey's Natalie Grabo Grabo made history as the oldest woman ever to finish the Ironman World Championship. The grandmother of two powered through a hamstring injury and brutal humidity while swimming 2.4 miles, biking 112 and running 26.2 miles through Hawaii. She says just keep moving. Why are you groaning about that?

[B]

Did you pick that one?

[E]

It was sentiment. I said, yeah, all right, that is it for us.

[B]

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