Anti-ICE Sniper Attack

Summary

The Five – "Anti-ICE Sniper Attack"

Date: September 24, 2025
Host & Panel: Jesse Watters, Paul Morrow, Jessica Tarlov, Dana Perino, Greg Gutfeld
Podcast: FOX News Podcasts

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Overview:

This episode tackles the aftermath of a sniper attack on an ICE (Immigration and Customs Enforcement) facility in Dallas, exploring links between political rhetoric and violence, media responsibility, freedom of speech controversies, and the viability of existing policies and security measures. The panel debates whether heightened political hostility is translating into radical action and the implications for both public discourse and law enforcement.

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1. The Dallas ICE Sniper Attack

[01:04–05:35]

• Incident Recap: A gunman opened fire from a rooftop onto an ICE facility, hitting an unmarked van transporting migrants; one detainee was killed, two critically injured. The shooter committed suicide. Shell casings inscribed with “Anti ICE” were found at the scene. The facility had faced a bomb threat the prior month.

• Political and Media Response:

  • Senators Ted Cruz and JD Vance blamed Democrats' rhetoric for inciting violence against ICE.
  • Jesse Watters: “If your political rhetoric encourages violence against our law enforcement, you can go straight to hell.” [02:11]
  • Greg Gutfeld criticized labeling political opponents as Nazis, which he sees as providing tacit license for attacks.

• Panel Reactions:

  • Dana Perino expressed pessimism about the country's direction, acknowledging how both rhetoric and insular online communities are fueling violence:
    “Rhetoric against the people of ICE is not just endangering now ICE agents, but also the detainees.” [05:12]
  • Paul Morrow focused on operational limits, noting ICE lacks resources for “deep prophylactic intel” and called for:
    • Better threat monitoring
    • Consideration of a federal domestic terrorism law:
      “We need a domestic terrorism law. We use that phrase... But... we don’t have much of the capacity for that.” [06:27]
    • He referenced previous ideological crimes tied to left-wing actors (citing perpetrators by name).

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2. The Rhetoric Blame Game: Are Both Sides at Fault?

[08:22–14:29]

• Responsibility for Violent Rhetoric:

  • Jesse Watters challenged Jessica Tarlov regarding her party’s rhetoric against ICE.
  • Jessica Tarlov rebuked the overuse of terms like “fascist” but argued, “It has become too common...That is a both sides problem.” [08:34]

• Greg Gutfeld and Jessica Tarlov Spar:

  • Greg Gutfeld dismissed the equivalence: “On one hand you have the hard left and on the other hand you have the left. Why are you the both sides of the same coin?... There is no both sides.” [09:26]
  • Jessica Tarlov insisted young, mostly white men—motivated by online nihilism and potentially inflamed by community or political messages—are responsible for many recent tragedies.
  • Repeated heated exchanges around whether credible evidence supports the “both sides” argument.
  • Greg Gutfeld:
    “You label someone a fascist or a racist or a Nazi, it makes you free to attack them. And that has been the ideology from the start.” [12:01]
  • The discussion highlighted deep divides in assigning blame and interpreting data or motives.

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3. Media, Apology, and Free Speech—The Jimmy Kimmel Segment

[15:34–17:00 and 17:06–23:19]

• Jimmy Kimmel’s Return: Kimmel returned after a four-day suspension for suggesting Charlie Kirk’s killer was MAGA-affiliated.

  • He offered regret, not a full apology:
    “For those who think I did point a finger, I get why you’re upset. I don’t think the murderer…represents anyone.” (Kimmel via Tarlov, [15:50])
  • Jesse Watters was unimpressed and called it “not really an apology” and suggested market forces, not censorship, should dictate Kimmel’s future. “He has a right to say whatever he wants. He doesn’t have a right to a job in network television.” [18:01]

• Panel Critiques of Media & Censorship:

  • Jessica Tarlov: Trump’s public criticism of Kimmel may have made him “unfirable,” effectively making him a lightning rod in the ongoing First Amendment debate. “Now he has become…the avatar for this fight about the First Amendment and government overreach.” [20:07]
  • Paul Morrow: Criticized the lack of ideological diversity among late-night hosts, lamented network “hyper-left” bias. “If you’re going to invoke the First Amendment…even the playing field, give us one.” [22:06]

• Greg Gutfeld:

  • Highlighted the contrast in media’s treatment of murdered conservatives versus embattled progressive media figures: “They take something real, like a true martyrdom and they turn it into this performative fakery. Charlie Kirk was brutally murdered…the ultimate denial of free speech.” [24:12]

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4. Kamala Harris’ "107 Days": Loyalty, Blame, and Memoir Critiques

[26:21–33:34]

• Kamala Harris’ Book Tour:

  • Audio played from Harris, emphasizing imperfection and reflection.
  • Dana Perino: Characterized the book as “a typical book tour,” doubted its impact, and noted Harris failed to demonstrate loyalty to voters (“the loyalty should have been to the Voters of this country” [29:44]).

• Jessica Tarlov: Viewed the book as Harris’ “swan song,” lacking vision for the future: “From what I have seen, what is lacking for me is kind of like a vision for the future or…ideas about what we can do better.” [29:57]

• Jesse Watters: Found the book’s gossip enjoyable but doubted its seriousness, ridiculed Harris’ self-presentation as always the most sensible person in her anecdotes.

• Greg Gutfeld: Warned that memoirs should not be blindly trusted when quoting the author’s own supposed wisdom: “Never believe people when they quote themselves because they’re the least reliable.” [32:14]

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5. UN Escalator Scandal & Macron Blocked

[33:53–39:58]

• Trump’s UN Escalator Incident:

  • Debate ensued about whether the escalator and teleprompter malfunction was sabotage or accident.
  • Paul Morrow: Expressed skepticism about the “sabotage” theory, blaming instead the decrepitude of the UN building.
  • Dana Perino: Advised dropping the story and praised Trump’s substantive UN appearance.

• Macron’s Traffic Blockade:

  • French President Macron called Trump after getting stuck in NYC traffic.
  • Panel joked about the universality of gridlock and run-ins with NYPD.
  • Dana Perino:
    “It’s so New York. It’s so America…It affects everyone. Even the president of France.” [38:11]
  • Paul Morrow: Added NYPD anecdotes, highlighting the equalizing effect of city logistics.

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6. “One More Thing” – Lighthearted Closer

[40:17–42:22]

• Quaint stories: Dana shared a Spanish cat sanctuary; Greg aired Chilean puppy parades; Jesse showed Kilauea volcano footage; Jessica congratulated a friend’s NASA selection—offering a moment of levity after heated political debate.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Jesse Watters:
  “If your political rhetoric encourages violence against our law enforcement, you can go straight to hell.” [02:11]

• Paul Morrow:
  “We need a domestic terrorism law…We don’t have the mechanism.” [06:27]

• Jessica Tarlov:
  “Fascism and fascists is a very special category…and it has become too common…That is a both sides problem.” [08:34]

• Greg Gutfeld:
  “On one hand you have the hard left and on the other hand you have the left…There is no both sides.” [09:26]
  “You label someone a fascist…makes you free to attack them. And that has been the ideology from the start.” [12:01]

• Dana Perino:
  “The loyalty should have been to the voters of this country.” [29:44]

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• ICE Sniper Attack News & Reactions: [01:04–05:35]
• Domestic Terrorism Law/Enforcement Needs: [05:35–08:22]
• Political Rhetoric & Blame Debate: [08:22–14:29]
• Jimmy Kimmel/Misplaced Apology Segment: [15:34–24:12]
• Kamala Harris Book/Memoir Debate: [26:21–33:34]
• UN Escalator Incident: [33:53–39:58]
• Macron Blockade Anecdote: [37:43–39:58]
• One More Thing (Animals, Volcano, NASA): [40:17–42:22]

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Conclusion

This episode of "The Five" offered a rapid-fire, contentious debate on the dangerous intersection of inflammatory rhetoric, political violence, and the responsibilities of public figures and media, while also veering into lighter cultural commentary. Listeners are left with a sense of urgency around domestic security, a wary eye on the tone of American discourse, and the reminder that real-world consequences flow from how leaders frame their adversaries.

Transcript

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[Paul Morrow]

Everybody.

[Jesse Waters]

I'm Jesse Waters along with Paul Morrow, Jessica Tarlov, Dana Perino and Greg Gutfeld. It's five o' clock in New York City and this is the five Anti ICE terror in Dallas. A sniper on a nearby rooftop firing indiscriminately at the ICE facility below and striking an unmarked van that was transporting migrants. One of the detainees inside that vehicle was shot and killed and two other illegal immigrants are in critical condition. No ICE officers were harmed and the suspect turned the gun on himself. FBI Director Kash Patel posting this chilling image Shell casings found near the suspect's body with the words Anti ICE written on it. Last month, the same facility was hit with a bomb threat. Ted Cruz and JD Vance are begging Democrats to end the hate against ice.

[Paul Morrow]

This needs to stop. Violence is wrong. Politicians using rhetoric, demonizing ICE and demonizing CBP stop.

[Jesse Waters]

But if your political rhetoric encourages violence against our law enforcement, you can go straight to hell. If you want to stop political violence, stop telling your supporters that everybody who.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Disagrees with you is a Nazi.

[Jesse Waters]

Trump posting on Truth I am calling on all Democrats to stop this rhetoric against ICE and America's law enforcement right now. But the Democrats aren't getting the message.

[Paul Morrow]

Masked men jumping out of unmarked cars.

[Jesse Waters]

People disappearing, no due process, no oversight.

[Paul Morrow]

Zero accountability happening in the United States of America today. People ask, well, is authoritarianism. You're being hyperbolic. Well, we're being hyperbolic.

[Jessica Tarlov]

I believe that one of the reasons Donald Trump wants to send troops into American cities is because he wants to be able to take control of the 2026 election. It's about his authoritarian need to control.

[Jesse Waters]

And right before the shooting, Hillary was on Morning Joe saying, we got to stop demonizing half the country as she demonized half the country.

[Dana Perino]

We have got to stop demonizing each other. Now, I think most of that right now in our country's history is coming you from the right, coming from people who want to dominate, they want their point of view. We have got to stop with the finger pointing and the scapegoating.

[Jesse Waters]

Dana, you know, basket of deplorables, irredeemable. There's been a lot of that stuff coming from Hillary and her party. When is this going to stop?

[Dana Perino]

I don't know. You know, this morning I was getting ready for America's Newsroom. We had a big variety of things we were going to talk about today. Several great guests, and I'm getting ready to do the teas at 8:45. And I look over and they said, there is no tease. And there's the breaking news that there was this shooting at ice. And no, a lot of people might have missed me. Just kidding. I was out last week and I was out on a prearranged vacation. And the entire time I was trying to get back to what is typically my natural state of being, which is fairly optimistic. I can find the silver lining in things. I might be pragmatic, but I'm also like, you know, things are going okay. I felt very grim. I felt that it was heavy. And one of the reasons is because I'm afraid of where this goes, because as Ted Cruz was saying, it's unacceptable. He says it must stop. I'm glad Paul's here today because from a law enforcement standpoint, I don't know how you stop it. And I think the rhetoric is obviously a problem. But I also think that some of these politicians, for as reprehensible as their rhetoric is, they are not the leaders that these people who are doing the shooting are listening to. Those people are listening amongst themselves. They're in a weird bubble that I don't quite understand. I can't quite get there. And I feel like one of the things Democrats must consider is that rhetoric against ice, the policy. You want to change it, fine, I'll listen. But rhetoric against the people of ICE is not just endangering now ICE agents, but also the detainees. So if you care about them, then maybe we should stop this. But I don't know, again, from a law enforcement perspective, how you get a handle on it when it feels like it's very dark and it's spreading and it's silent until it's not.

[Jesse Waters]

Paul, I know we're in the early stages of the investigation, but what can you tell us?

[Paul Morrow]

So, a couple things I would say real quick. And I know we're going to cover the politics of this, so let me stay a little more operational. First of all, ICE doesn't have the capacity, they don't have the resources to do deep prophylactic intel. They're not scraping the Internet for cyber threats against ice. You're gonna have to use elements of dhs, et cetera. In other words, we're doing essentially domestic intelligence gathering for people against people that want to harm ice. We're gonna have to do a lot more of that. It takes resources, gonna take personnel costs money, police work costs money. This is something, the kind of thing that we traditionally think of having to run against, let's say the Soviets, right back in the Cold War. We still do it obviously against Chinese, Russians, etc. But you need now clearly a really all hands on deck approach to prophylactically protecting the people ahead of time that we're asking to do this legal work. Legal, no matter what Newsom says. Secondly, real quick, we need a domestic terrorism law. We don't have one. We use that phrase very, very commonly, very, very blithely. We say, oh, this is domestic terrorism. Everybody thinks the box is checked and that's it. Both sides of the aisle have problems with a domestic terrorism law. Reasonable minds can disagree about this because both sides are worried about it being weaponized against them. That comes from the designation piece. Donald Trump's designation of antifa, if nothing else, doesn't have much operational effect. But nothing else raises the issue. What do you do when you have a domestic group that is essentially dedicated to overthrowing or countermanding, counteracting violently the policies of the American government? Legal policies of the American government. We don't have much of the capacity for that. And that's why, if you look deeply into it, Mangione, right? Ideological murder. You know what they had to charge him with federally to get that charge in? Stalking. And it's thin stuff, okay? And it's a real unique use of it. Realistically, if they do the same thing for Tyler Robinson, they're gonna have to do something similar, as far as I know right now. So we don't have a domestic terrorism law. It's time to take a close look at that. I have a piece dropping on Friday on Fox News website that delineates how I think we need to do it in a safe way. But we have. We're kidding ourselves. If you look crooks. Ruth Mangione, Tyler Robinson, Shapiro's fire. That was a lefty abc. The guy shoots up ABC Studios because he doesn't like the way the Kimmel thing went. We had this guy that stepped into a wedding in Nashua. All of this is coming ideologically from one area. Eventually. Do we have nuts in the right shore? Of course, eventually you're going to get one. But right now, we're in the season of real leftist violence. It is something that we call domestic terrorism. We don't have the mechanism by. We're sitting where Congress is now. I'd like to see somebody on Donald Trump's staff say, crack the whip. Let's start to look at this because Congress has been MIA on this.

[Jesse Waters]

Jessica, you have never called ICE agents fascists or Gestapo Nazis. You've never done that. But there are people in your party that have done that. Do you think that's responsible?

[Jessica Tarlov]

Listen, I think that fascism and fascists is a very special category of people and you should use it when it's really applicable and sparingly because then people will believe you when you say it. And it has become too common to hear words like that. And that is a both sides problem. And last week we went through the litany of times that Donald Trump has used that rhetoric. And the fact that he came out after Charlie Kirk's tragic assassination and said the radical left did this. And then we heard a chorus of we are at war. And that does permeate the entirety of American society, that they hear that from the top.

[Greg Gutfeld]

That's garbage. That is absolute garbage. Continue. When something terrible happens, when somebody gets murdered, you are saying, how dare you be enraged by it. Continue.

[Jessica Tarlov]

No, what I say is how there is no.

[Greg Gutfeld]

I'll give you the both. No, Jessica, I'll give you the both sides. I agree with you. There is both sides. On one hand you have the hard left and on the other hand you have the left. Why are you the both sides of the same coin? Because you walk into this room and you're not reading it. There is no both sides. You don't have the evidence for that.

[Jessica Tarlov]

That's not true.

[Greg Gutfeld]

You can't say that. Donald Trump says this. You guys act on it. You guys act on it. We don't. That's. What do you want?

[Dana Perino]

What do you.

[Jessica Tarlov]

What do I want? I would like to talk about the specifics of who Vance Bolter actually was, since we fought about that last time, because you make it out as if this was just that he knew Melissa Hortman.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Let's focus on this thing now. I'll destroy you on that later, but focus on this now. You want to go back?

[Jessica Tarlov]

Focus on this now. This looks like a kid that was inflamed, either by the leftist cabal, or maybe he used his own eyes. And maybe he saw what's going on. Maybe there are people in his community who are being picked up by people from ice. Maybe he saw raids at Home Depot. Or maybe he did hear J.B. pritzker. He seems like a Morning Joe viewer to me. Right. Someone who had tuned in, saw Hillary Clinton, and then went out and grabbed his gun. The common denominator in all of this is that we have young men, usually young white men, who have access to these guns and are carrying out these tragedies. They are nihilists. They live online. And again, do you think it's normal that people are writing on casings anti ice? They think that it's a joke. You look at Tyler Robinson's text messages with his roommate and partner, it reads like a joke. They just wanted us on Fox News to have to be able to read that stuff out loud. He even said it in the messages. So I get it. You're amped up. I don't think that I said anything, anything worthy of that level of exploit.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Your rationalization of both sides. If you have to understand, since Kurt's death, there is no both sides.

[Jessica Tarlov]

Doj, take down the study that showed how much right wing.

[Greg Gutfeld]

What study was that? Which one? The one in the Economist that was sponsored by a group run by a guy in Antifa. That study, that has been discredited by the Federalist. You're walking down a really bad alley right now. Yes, Yes, I actually did see Jessica. I did the deep dive on that study. That study was authored by a project that was run by a guy who says he was Antifa. That is why that whole thing has been scrubbed. Okay? It's real simple. You label someone a fascist or a racist or a Nazi, it makes you free to attack them. And that has been the ideology from the start. It's weird. So why don't Trump does it? What?

[Jessica Tarlov]

Just tell me why. It's okay.

[Greg Gutfeld]

No, I'm getting there. I'm getting there.

[Jessica Tarlov]

I'm enjoying this, okay?

[Greg Gutfeld]

You won't be for long. The left calls Trump a hate monger. They have called me a hate monger because I ridicule the left. I ridicule protesters. I ridicule academia, Hollywood, the news media. I make fun of the View. Every day I make fun of the UN Guess what? No one acts on the things that I say because my side doesn't do that. We say people are stupid. We say people are wrong, but we don't say they're evil. That is your game. Okay. And then you come and you say, okay, ma', am, this is a mentally ill loner. Well, who do you think does this stuff? It's not Ben Affleck. It's not Tom Brady. It's not even Carrot Top. People who do this stuff are always that way. The question is, who points them in that direction? Why pick ice? Why pick Kirk? Why target TV stations and put bomb under bombs, under Fox trucks? Why vandalize memorials? Why kill kids in Catholic schools? Two things can be true. A person could be mentally ill, and you can be guiding him to that place in his life. That is how brainwashing works.

[Jessica Tarlov]

There is a litany of examples.

[Greg Gutfeld]

You will not have them. If I gave you two months to look for them, you couldn't find them because they've been debunked.

[Jessica Tarlov]

Really?

[Greg Gutfeld]

You have one thing if you want to talk about.

[Jessica Tarlov]

Alice's son has been debunked. Dylann Roof has been debunked. Vance Bolter in his list of Vance Bolter.

[Greg Gutfeld]

We can talk about that. But you're.

[Jessica Tarlov]

Go ahead and talk about it.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Okay. You want to talk about it?

[Jessica Tarlov]

I do.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Okay. There was not a relentless drumbeat for 10 years about his victim like there was here. There was an intent and a motive for her killing by her killer alone. It wasn't five. It wasn't National Review. It wasn't any. It wasn't any show going like. You know what? We need to go after this fascist. Hopefully someone will take her out. That never happened. That is why your analogy is so pointless.

[Jessica Tarlov]

It's pipe bombs being sent to Democrats, Houses, people saying in court, I was inspired.

[Greg Gutfeld]

If you want to. You want to do this math, you're going to be embarrassed.

[Jessica Tarlov]

Brown people, according to. I'm embarrassed every day. So, frankly, I'm just feeling normal. Thank you.

[Jesse Waters]

We should do this every week.

[Jessica Tarlov]

Yes, I honestly. First day of the week with Greg seems to go badly for me.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Well, you don't come in here with both sides. Not. It's not. You're. It's like. It's like going into a funeral saying, hey, let's have a keger.

[Jessica Tarlov]

Well, sometimes you should just celebrate the life, Dana.

[Paul Morrow]

Is it always like this?

[Dana Perino]

You should see when I get going.

[Jesse Waters]

All right. Up next, low rated martyr returns. Jimmy Kimmel is back.

[Paul Morrow]

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[Jessica Tarlov]

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[Dana Perino]

Jimmy Kimmel is back on the air after a for show suspension. But dozens of affiliate stations, they refused to carry it. And it's all over his false claim that Charlie Kirk, suspected assassin, was part of the MAGA gang. That's a line that he didn't apologize for last night.

[Jessica Tarlov]

It was never my intention to make light of the murder of a young man. For those who think I did point a finger, I get why you're upset. I don't think the murderer who shot Charlie Kirk represents anyone. This was a sick person who believed violence was a solution, and it isn't.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Ever.

[Jessica Tarlov]

The President of the United States made it very clear he wants to see me and the hundreds of people who work here fired from our jobs. Our leader celebrates Americans losing their livelihoods because he can't take a joke.

[Dana Perino]

So some members of the media giving Kimmel's return a very glowing review.

[Jesse Waters]

He showed his humanity and he showed compassion. And even though he didn't say, I apologize, I think he did offer a significant amount of regret. His tone was just perfect. He doesn't really want this to be about him. He has been thrust into this bigger.

[Paul Morrow]

And frankly, more consequential role.

[Jesse Waters]

He is acting tonight, and I think he will act in the days to come as a bit of a public.

[Paul Morrow]

Servant, as an educator.

[Dana Perino]

I had read that but hadn't heard it until just now. Jesse, what was your review of Kimmel?

[Jesse Waters]

Well, I didn't see it. I read the transcript, and it wasn't really an apology. He did point the finger at us for killing our friends. And so a lawyer wrote it, he read it, and then he just laid it all out for everybody. Is it enough? Maybe. Are the affiliates probably going to come back? Probably. But this guy doesn't have the juice to go to war. He's in third place. He has a staff of 100. What does Greg have? 13, if that. He's getting paid $15 million a year. He's already probably lost a quarter of his advertisers. And I don't even think Disney's gonna renew his contract. He's not good for business. And we all have to remember this is show business and this is network show business, where they have the public airwaves, where you have to have standards of conduct, profanity, indecency, news Distortions. All of those things are under a regulatory atmosphere that companies like Disney have to navigate so they can make money for shareholders. Because Jimmy Kimmel is not the man. Family Feud, a rerun tied his rating the other day. It cost nothing. It was a rerun. It was already paid for. So if these affiliates don't want to absorb this mess that they're getting inundated with emails and calls from locals and advertisers in their markets, they shouldn't have to. And this is the market telling Kimmel to just chill. And I don't care whether he keeps his job. I don't care whether he has a show. He has a right to say whatever he wants. He doesn't have a right to a job in network television. And for the liberals that are complaining about censorship, they loved it when they were pressuring the FCC to drop Fox and to investigate Sinclair. They loved it when Joe Biden pressured all the big tech companies to censor us over a joke about Fauci or the Fauci Ouchie. So I don't listen to what they have to say. Jessica's probably gonna blame Trump, but it was Bob Iger who suspended him and then un.

[Paul Morrow]

Suspended him.

[Dana Perino]

Imagine if the Five did the Family Feud.

[Jesse Waters]

I would love it.

[Dana Perino]

It would be so good.

[Jessica Tarlov]

And we would.

[Dana Perino]

That would rate. In the New York Times today, Bret Stephens is columnist who. He goes through a list. You know how you like lists. It has so many of these stories. I don't know if you saw it, Jessica, but these examples of when the left loved this type of thing. And I'm sure you disagree. So let me give you a chance to with us.

[Jessica Tarlov]

I have not seen Bret Stephens's list. I do know that all administrations work with social media companies to take down what they see as, you know, disinformation, misinformation, and that that happened, you know, at the peak of COVID when Donald Trump was president. But I think the difference here, and if there are liberals pressuring the fcc, did it actually work? Because that's what we saw happen here.

[Jesse Waters]

And Brendan Carr is get their licenses renewed for a bunch of affiliates.

[Jessica Tarlov]

Brendan Carr, you know, tried to backtrack when he said, I didn't really mean to sound like the Mafioso, as, you know, Ted Cruz put it, and did the little accent. And as always, Donald Trump comes riding in and makes it clear as day that this was government pressure. Posting on Truth Social before Jimmy Kimmel came out. I can't believe he has his job back. I think we're going to test ABC out on this. Let's see how we do. Last time I went after them, they gave me $16 million. This one sounds even more lucrative. In the process, Trump has basically made Kimmel unfirable. At this point. Disney, even if his ratings go down to three, people watching it, will not be able to do it because now he has become the lightning rod, the symbol, the avatar for this fight about the First Amendment and government overreach. And I think it's important as well that we just saw before we came out here that it looks like Jim Comey is going to be indicted in a few days. Donald Trump on truth social media. Let's get rid of Eric Siebert because he doesn't want to bring charges. We'll get someone in there who will. And lo and behold, we're going off checking off our enemies list. It's all part of the same puzzle.

[Dana Perino]

Paul Kimmel said some nice things about Charlie and Erica Kirk. And I don't know why he couldn't just say I made a mistake when I suggested the shooter was a Trump supporter. Like what? What would that, why would, would that have disappointed the left?

[Paul Morrow]

I mean, isn't that the crux of the argument? I said on the air one time, I misquoted something by 2 percentage points. I said that there were less long. The percentage of long gone murders in the country was less than 3%. It's actually less than 5%. I barely slept. All right? It was on your show. In fact, I was mortified. This guy came out and said it wasn't humor. This guy came out and said MAGA did it and it was just wrong. And he just seems to feel no compunction about it. If nothing else, if nothing else, if you don't want to get dragged into the politics, we understand it's in your DNA to be hyper, hyper left. Fair enough. But you know what? If nothing else, apologize for getting a fact wrong. I mean, again, as Greg would say, read the room. Couple of things real quick. Colbert, Colbert's show lost about $40 million, right? We've all heard that. Okay? Kimmel is a smaller audience and reportedly earns more. If you look at the trade sheets, to the degree I haven't looked at the guy's tax return, but the degree that you can find it, John Oliver earns upwards of similar money. All right? From what I see, the guy doesn't even break into seven figures. Seth Meyers, same thing. You go back to even Letterman. All right? I remember when Bill O'Reilly was on Letterman, he Treated him appallingly. My question is this. When was it decided on all the major networks, the networks, by the way, that have a government license, when was it decided that they all have to be hyper left? If you're going to invoke the First Amendment as part of your argument, well, then even the playing field, give us one, you know, because Greg's on cable, so, you know, that's how that had to happen, because the networks won't touch him. So while I don't like government interference relative to the First Amendment either, because as I always say, there's a reason it's first. It's the most important thing about our system really is, you know, if that's the case, you can't have it both ways. And I just don't understand when that flip, when that switch was flipped, that they all have to be far left. And when we say, no, give us one, we're the ones who were trampling on the First Amendment. Those are really flight.

[Dana Perino]

Greg, it's your take I've been waiting for all day.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Well, you know, the one thing I noticed from just listening to the thing this morning is when Erica Kirk said she forgave the killer because that's what Jesus, Charlie, and a true Christian would do. Kimmel was like, cool. Can I have some of that?

[Paul Morrow]

Sure.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Maybe if you admit why you need forgiveness. It's weird to deny wrongdoing and then ask for forgiveness if you did nothing wrong. It makes no sense. And he said it was never his intention to make light of this murder. And then he says Trump can't take a joke. That's a bit weird. And remember, this stuff is prepared. It's like it's prepared by a lawyer. This is not off the cuff stuff. Just like the stuff he said earlier was not off the cuff. It was read by producers, yet the media embraces him, you know, oh, look, how brave, how amazing. A lightning rod. Yeah, maybe for Henbeck pussies. The fact is, the stuff that they're saying about Kimmel, they never said about Charlie. Their praise after his death was perfunctory. So they take something real, like a true martyrdom and they turn it into this performative fakery. Charlie Kirk was brutally murdered to four millions. The ultimate denial of free speech. The media creates a diorama, you know, over Kimmel's four day suspension. What silly children they are. Meanwhile, Google admits that Biden's White House pressed YouTube to censor Covid content. Biden's actually jailed a guy over a meme. And meanwhile, you see the media go into Spartacus mode because a left wing millionaire didn't work for four days. They're clearly upset about that. But they're not upset about the silencing of millions of Americans during COVID What does that tell you? They don't care about you. That's why they're dying. Metaphorically, yes. Or literally, because we're all dying.

[Dana Perino]

Since the day you're born.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Yes. Isn't that sad? Way to bring the House down.

[Dana Perino]

Stick around for the next one. All right, up next, Democrats will not be burdened by what has been. And some are trashing Kamala's quote gossip.

[Paul Morrow]

Book, Baby, don't dance.

[Greg Gutfeld]

If you want to roll your window.

[Jesse Waters]

Down, stick your hand in the air.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Let the wild wind blow through your hand.

[Paul Morrow]

Keep on.

[Jesse Waters]

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[Paul Morrow]

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[Jesse Waters]

Are you playing me off? That's what's happening, right? Okay, give it a try.

[Greg Gutfeld]

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[Jessica Tarlov]

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[Greg Gutfeld]

And I won't forget.

[Dana Perino]

At 5:29pm staff alerted me that the British singer songwriter Charli XCX had posted Kamala is brat. Brat was the title of her latest album and identified me with her brand. Edgy, imperfect, confident, embracing.

[Paul Morrow]

Wow. And she didn't win. Huh? That was Kamala Harris terrorizing the eardrums of Americans with the audiobook release of 107 days. Democrats are said to be privately complaining, calling it a gossip book. That isn't helping the party move on. But Kamala's media blitz won't be burdened by some critics in her party. And the next stop was Joy Reid's YouTube show.

[Jessica Tarlov]

It struck me in the same way that when I read Prince Harry's book, it struck me this question of loyalty and loyalty that sometimes doesn't feel like it's returned.

[Dana Perino]

I really did not fully embrace the reality of how people felt, and I should have. I will confess to you, I do not have all the answers, Joy. Yeah, I mean, part of my reflection is that I don't have all the answers.

[Paul Morrow]

A lot of emoting there, Dana. This feels like a PR stunt. This, that. What is she really doing here? What's with the book?

[Dana Perino]

Well, this is a typical book tour. I mean, they have a robust plan and they're out there. What does she want? I guess she wants to have some sort of writing in the history books that says she was a genius and she wants to. She wants it on record that in her mind, this was the closest election in presidential history. Whatever. I don't know. I'm sure there's probably some statistics out there that helps her show that, but this is a situation where every nugget is less interesting than the one before. And I hope she got a healthy advance, because I don't think it propels her to run again. I don't think it propels her to sit on a bunch of boards unless they're like mercy boards. She'll be on the mercy board. For some people. She's a flash in the pan. She is being rude to everybody that helped her. There's no. Who is she helping? Who is she?

[Jessica Tarlov]

Right.

[Dana Perino]

Who is she thinking of for 2028? No, she wants to burn all those people down so that she can preserve the right. But no one's going to give her money. They're not going to pay for the book. They're not going to pay for her to run again when she's going to waste a billion dollars. Just one point on the Joy Reid thing, because I just heard that, and it came to me that, so Joy Reid's actually your loyalty. Now I can. I can see where Kamala Harris is kind of mad at the Bidens. And in a way, I think she kind of has a right to be, because the Bidens expected all this loyalty from her even after that terrible convention. You remember that they come together and then she feels that she was constantly undermined within the White House, even though I think she was doing her own undermining. But don't ask me, ask the 101 staffers who went on the record to say her office was a disaster. But there's also another part of loyalty aside from inside the White House. When you have won the presidency and the vice presidency, your loyalty also extends to the constituents and the voters of this country. And even if they didn't vote for you, that's where your loyalty lies. And so now we know that she knew that Biden was slipping and she didn't do anything about it. And she said she thought it was a reckless decision that he ran again. But knowing that, knowing what we know now that Otto Pan was president, that she had an obligation and the loyalty should have been to the Voters of this country.

[Paul Morrow]

Yeah, we lose sight of that. So just gotta come to you as the opposite poll of this thing. You're behind enemy lines. So let me ask you. I mean, is this going to help her in any way, or is this just like nothing but anger inside the party?

[Jessica Tarlov]

About this book, I feel like it's a little bit, at least for now, of a swan song. I don't think that she's obviously not running for governor of California. I don't think she thinks that she's going to be running in 2028. And I think that she wanted her own voice, quite literally, on the story of what happened in the election. Because all of these different autopsies are being written by, you know, different groups. And the ones who are saying, we got to do more of this. We need to do less of this. For me. And I have not read the book in its entirety, but from what I have seen, what is lacking for me is kind of like a vision for the future or this. You know, ideas about what we can do better. It's. I mean, it is a memoir of the campaign, and so it's reflective. But I think that at a moment where people are kind of hitting her for not showing tremendous leadership, like, if you wanted people to judge, you should have taken people to judge and gone with it. You have 107 days. Anyway, kind of YOLO, right? And couldn't do it.

[Jesse Waters]

Too gay.

[Jessica Tarlov]

I also.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Incompetent people. Forget about that.

[Paul Morrow]

I feel like. Thanks for reminding us.

[Jessica Tarlov]

Anyway.

[Paul Morrow]

So, Jesse, you said the book made you cry. So tell us about it.

[Jessica Tarlov]

Jesse loves it.

[Jesse Waters]

I loved it. The expectations were so low for the Kamala Harris book. She couldn't talk. You think she couldn't write. But she can write. And it's the kind of writing I like. It's like a political page six. It's all gossip. She talks about tampons. Fat. I know. Finally, someone said he's fat. Do you know what Doug's nickname was with the Secret Service playmaker? Awesome. They made her make animal noises to get her throat warmed up for debate prep. Imagine Kamala Harris making animal noises.

[Greg Gutfeld]

They did that as a joke, too. The prank. She did it and she did it.

[Jesse Waters]

You know who convinced Kamala Harris to run for president? Lawrence o'. Donnell. So we can all blame Lawrence o' Donnell for Kamala Harris. And she also attacks Brett Baer, which I totally agree with. The guy is a jerk.

[Greg Gutfeld]

I stood up and applauded when I read that section.

[Paul Morrow]

Go, Phil. Take us out. Come on.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Well, how do you know, it's so full of bs. So I started reading it. In every single anecdote, she quotes herself perfectly with subjects and verbs, which is really out of ordinary. And every one of her quotes, she's always the most sensible person, the one. Everybody around her is confused or anxious. It's like, oh, my God, what are we gonna do? Oh, my God, I think it's gonna die. And she goes, why don't you just take a beach towel and make a tourniquet? Oh, my God, you saved his life. Everything's like that. She's like, always got the right answer. Never believe people when they quote themselves because they're the least reliable. And you can. Once you see it in the book, on the second page when it starts, it'll drive you crazy. I get it. When you write a book, you are the central character in the book, and you want to present it sane, clear voice. But her book voice is not her voice. That's why you like it. That's not her. That's somebody else.

[Jesse Waters]

Right? But it's definitely more enjoyable than listening to Kamala Harris.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Who do you think wrote it? Come on, Jessica, you know who wrote it.

[Paul Morrow]

Lawrence Odell.

[Greg Gutfeld]

No, no, no. Who wrote Lawrence o'? Donnell?

[Jessica Tarlov]

No, I don't. Maybe she had a collaborator.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Jessica wrote it. You wrote it, didn't you? Wrote it?

[Jesse Waters]

How much, Jessica?

[Paul Morrow]

How much?

[Jessica Tarlov]

This is my last day on the Five.

[Paul Morrow]

All right, we gotta go. We gotta. Next escalator gate ramps up. Was President Trump sabotaged or was it a staffer?

[Jessica Tarlov]

You deserve the best.

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[Greg Gutfeld]

Action man and Cindy. I don't mess about. Was it sabotage or a staffer? The UN Is pointing a finger at Trump's team for a stalled escalator and a frozen teleprompter. Blaming a staffer for walking up the escalator backwards. Yeah. They also suggested another Trump support. Stafford was behind the prompter malfunction. Jessica, so you have people blaming the un, others blaming Trump staffers. Couldn't it be both sides?

[Jessica Tarlov]

Absolutely not. And there's no study to back it up. Also, I. I was missing at that time yesterday, so who knows what I was doing?

[Greg Gutfeld]

That is true. You might have been on the east side.

[Jessica Tarlov]

The. No, the traffic's too bad. I was definitely not getting anywhere near that. I mean, the official investigation says staffer. I don't. Does it really matter?

[Greg Gutfeld]

It could matter. That's why we have. That's why you have staffer and matter.

[Jesse Waters]

The UN's official investigation. The UN.

[Jessica Tarlov]

Okay, well, send Stephen Miller. I just don't.

[Dana Perino]

It took them a year to say that women were raped on October 7th in Israel, but they did this investigation in a day.

[Jessica Tarlov]

It was antifa.

[Greg Gutfeld]

What do you call. You're the cop.

[Paul Morrow]

Well, I've been in that building. It's decrepit. The idea that the escalator is so sensitive that somebody walking backwards somehow turns it off is ridiculous. But if it does do that, talk about another waste of American money. Yeah, I mean, that's. They spent our money on. Because, of course, we fund a quarter of the place. Look, I'm going to quote. I want to get her name here, Susan Crabtree, who's on X. She follows US Secret Service stuff very closely. She's one who broke the story about service member who was very blithe about the Kirk assassination. She makes the point that the service didn't really react wonderfully. The thing froze. He's standing there. Makes him more of a.

[Greg Gutfeld]

He should have wrestled the escalator to the ground.

[Paul Morrow]

They got to come and, you know, cover around him. And they didn't do that. You wouldn't understand. So they didn't react how maybe you'd like them to. I'm not sure the service is still where we'd like them to be, despite a couple of recent wins like with Ryan Ruth.

[Greg Gutfeld]

I can't remember. Did I talk to you already?

[Jessica Tarlov]

No.

[Paul Morrow]

Okay.

[Greg Gutfeld]

What do you think?

[Dana Perino]

I just, I. I don't think it's. It doesn't strain my imagination that this could happen at the un. Especially when Caroline Levitt found that article in the Telegraph that said that they were thinking about it. However, I also think it's possible that coincidences happen. And it was. It was a problem. But the fact that the elevator escalator and the teleprompter at the same time, that seems weird to me. But I also feel like it's a bit of a distraction. And if I were at the White House, I think I would drop it for now because President Trump had a great unit. He went after the entire institution. He went after them on energy. He supported Zelensky in Ukraine. He supported Bibi, Israel and Hamas. And I thought the energy stuff was great. The immigration stuff was great. He had a great un. I think this story. I would let it go even Though it's annoying.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Jesse, you're doing a whole two hour special on Fox Nation on this.

[Jesse Waters]

I am. And you know what I think we should do to the UN Yes. Write a strongly worded letter.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Fastest. Up next.

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[Jessica Tarlov]

Welcome back. French President Emmanuel Macron dialing up President Trump after 47's presidential motorcade blocked him in New York City traffic during the UN General Assembly.

[Paul Morrow]

I'm sorry. I'm the president.

[Jessica Tarlov]

I'm really sorry.

[Jesse Waters]

It's just that everything's in frozen right now.

[Paul Morrow]

There's a barricade coming, right?

[Jesse Waters]

Guess what? I'm waiting in the street because everything is puzzle for you.

[Jessica Tarlov]

Dana, what did you think?

[Dana Perino]

It was my favorite. I love it. It's like, it's so New York. It's so America. It's also just like a moment that you kind of need in this. It's the worst traffic. It's horrible. And you know what? It affects everyone. Even the president of France. And I love that he's got the cell phone number. It's like, Mr. President, can you help me out? Help me out. And I would imagine that President Trump was like, should I, should I help.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Him out or not?

[Jessica Tarlov]

Jesse? I liked it for the humanity aspect. Like, you know the Us Weekly, they're just like us.

[Jesse Waters]

Yeah, I'm just like this too. I'm always thinking that I'm more important. So like when I'm trying to come into Fox and I'm running late and there's like some sort of blockade on the street with an officer there, and I roll down my window, I say, I'm with Fox. I got a show in like five minutes, I gotta go. And they never let me through. And I never called the president to lift the blockade. And if I did, he'd probably answer and he'd probably lift it. That's what's so great. Not from a crone, though.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Craig, you cut off at the best part when the cop says, hey, are you the guy married to the dude? And then, and then he goes, no, that's Mayor Pete. So it was a little bit confused. Yeah, very confusing.

[Jessica Tarlov]

Charming as always, Paul.

[Paul Morrow]

Jesse, they never let you through because I put the order out. I love the fact that this cop who's probably making $80,000 a year or whatever has to tell a French. A very, very. You know, one thing that's funny about nypd, especially if you work in Manhattan, you have these moments. I once had to tell a very, very wealthy Arab sheikh that I don't care what you say through an interpreter, the ambulance is taking you because he didn't want to go to a Western doctor. So the other thing I say is, you know what? I don't think many of us see Europeans in a hurry anymore and that you don't see too often. So if I was Donald Trump would have said, well, what's that? Yeah, listen, I'm stuck on the escalator. Click.

[Jessica Tarlov]

It is. I mean, how many people also saw Macron, like, trudging through the city because he had to walk for a while to get where he was going? All right, one more thing is up next.

[Greg Gutfeld]

I'm the bad guy, Duh.

[Paul Morrow]

Dave Portnoy is.

[Greg Gutfeld]

This is Jimmy Phela inviting you to join me for Fox Across America, where we'll discuss every single one of the Democrats dumb ideas.

[Paul Morrow]

Just kidding.

[Greg Gutfeld]

It's only a three hour show. Listen live at noon Eastern or get the [e-mail].

[Jesse Waters]

It'S time now for one more thing, Dana.

[Dana Perino]

Well, this is something that I saw in Spain that I thought was just so charming and funny. So there's this cat sanctuary in this little town and everybody in the village helps take care of the cats. And there's a sign, and I just happened to look up and this is one of the lines, it says, keep your dog on a leash. Running after cats can harm them or threaten your life. So that's very serious. They take it very seriously over there, all those Spaniards.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Yeah, right. All right, tonight, 10pm Catch Impossible. Michael Loftus, Rick Grinnell, out of the closet and out of the cabinet. And Tyrus. Do we have time to do this?

[Dana Perino]

Yeah, sure.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Animals are great. Animals are great. Animals are great. I know what you're saying, Dana. I want a Chile military dog parade. Well, here you go. This is Chile's annual Day of the Glories of the army parade to celebrate the country's independence. And they do it with little puppies. Then they'll be trained to become drug or explosive detectors. Oh, I don't like that part. They shouldn't be exploded anyway.

[Jesse Waters]

That sounds scaring anybody in Latin America.

[Dana Perino]

I joined the military for that.

[Jesse Waters]

We got volcano action. Do I have a Nexio for my volcano action? Yes, I do. Let's see it. Okay. Hawaii's Kilauea volcano cannot be stopped. Look at its spew, Greg. Look at that thing spew.

[Dana Perino]

Oh my God.

[Jesse Waters]

All day, night long. Tonight, Jesse Waters prime time, we have Governor Ron DeSantis, Katie Zachariah, Charlie Spearing and Clay Travis. 8:00pm Jessica, you got 10 seconds.

[Jessica Tarlov]

My friend Lauren Edgar is one of the newest astronauts in the NASA class, which.

[Paul Morrow]

Hey, I'm Trey Gowdy, host of the Trey Gaddy Podcast. I hope you will join me every Tuesday and Thursday as we navigate life together and hopefully find ourselves alone a little bit better on the other side.

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