At Long Last

Summary

Podcast Summary: The Five – "At Long Last"
Date: May 21, 2026
Host & Panel: Joey Jones, Rachel Campos Duffy, Jessica Tarlov, Dana Perino, Greg Gutfeld

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Episode Overview

In this lively episode, the panel of "The Five" dives into several high-profile issues shaping current American politics and culture. The main focus is the release—and subsequent controversy—surrounding the Democratic National Committee’s (DNC) lengthy, error-riddled "autopsy" report on the 2024 Kamala Harris campaign. The discussion quickly expands to the Democratic party’s disconnect with voters, LA’s homelessness crisis, a blockbuster Medicaid fraud case, escalating anxieties around artificial intelligence, and a quirky look at Hooters’ family-friendly rebranding. As always, the hosts bring a blend of sharp critique, humor, and candid debate to the table.

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Key Discussion Points

1. DNC Autopsy Report: Kamala & the Democrats (00:05–11:41)

Main Theme:
The panel deconstructs the DNC’s internal report on the failed Harris campaign, lambasting its poor quality and lack of introspection.

Panel Insights:

• Report Ridiculed:

  • The report is described as “nearly 200 pages long, chock full of embarrassing errors, spelling mistakes, and even a blank page labeled conclusion.”
  • DNC Chair Ken Martin disavowed the report, stating it “does not meet our standards and he’s just not proud.” (00:05)

• Superficial Self-Examination:

  • Greg Gutfeld: “An autopsy is a medical procedure you do over a corpse. And now it sounds like we need a malpractice attorney because we couldn't even do the autopsy correctly.” (01:14)
  • The report conveniently sidesteps crucial issues: “There is nothing about Joe Biden and what happened in the debate...nothing about Kamala Harris getting the nomination without any kind of primary process...nothing about Gaza.” (01:41)

• Cultural Disconnect:

  • Emphasis on Democrats’ failure to address cultural issues, specifically trans rights and “they/them” pronoun discourse.
  • Greg Gutfeld launches into a signature tirade on the culture wars:

    “It diagnosed and it exploited the fatal flaw of cultural relativism. That’s the unlocked door where any idea that is detached from truth could enter… It was like the first strike against a 13 billion year old civilization...” (03:16)

• Timing and Motives:

  • The delayed release (right before Memorial Day weekend) is interpreted as an attempt to bury bad news:

    “They let it out over Memorial Day weekend. People won’t pay attention… Maybe they thought it was going to leak.” —Dana Perino (05:17)

• Lost Demographics:

  • Rachel Campos Duffy notes the party’s failure to retain young men and rural voters, referencing past mistakes (like Hillary Clinton’s 2016 Wisconsin misstep). (06:39)
  • Jessica Tarlov calls the report “a piece of crap,” lacking citations and substance. She adds, “We spent our money on this...on an unfinished piece of shoddy work.” (08:02)

Notable Quotes:

• “You don’t need $10 million in a study…go talk to a guy if you want to know why you lost the male vote.” —Rachel Campos Duffy (06:39)
• “If you’re not going to fix the problem, you sure as hell aren’t gonna own up to it.” —Greg Gutfeld (04:17)

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2. LA Mayoral Race: Homelessness Crisis and Spencer Pratt (12:16–21:23)

Main Theme:
Reality TV star Spencer Pratt’s candidacy for LA mayor heats up as he targets incumbent Karen Bass over her handling of the homelessness crisis.

Panel Insights:

• Bass vs. Pratt:

  • Karen Bass is grilled over unmet promises to end street homelessness by 2026.
  • Pratt positions himself as the “compassionate one,” advocating for medical treatment over leniency towards drug addiction:

    “They have the right to experience drug addiction and die. Seven people on the street every day. No, I’m actually the compassionate one…” —Spencer Pratt (13:12)

• "Common Sense" Approach:

  • Panel credits Pratt for identifying problems, if not offering solutions.
  • “She sits there and goes, ‘I wasn’t prepared for the bureaucracy’… you ran for mayor, what did you think it was going to be?” —Joey Jones (13:32)
  • Gutfeld and Campos Duffy are more sympathetic to Pratt, citing public frustration with “gaslighting” narratives that wrongly blame poverty rather than addiction.

• Experience vs. Popularity:

  • Jessica Tarlov points out Pratt’s lack of policy/government experience:

    “He does not have the requisite experience on any level. He’s been filming himself…for his entire life.” (17:42)

  • Rachel counters: “If you have common sense and are humble enough to reach out...you can do it.” (20:51)

• Populism Parallels:

  • Campos Duffy compares Pratt’s candidacy to Trump’s outsider appeal in 2016:

    “People were afraid to say they'd vote for Trump...It reminds me of what’s happening now.” (19:51)

Notable Moments:

• “If Rick Caruso had said, ‘I’m going to get in this race,’ he would have steamrolled the field.” —Jessica Tarlov (18:16)
• “Unhoused is a weird word. Nobody talks about the unhoused.” —Rachel Campos Duffy (19:51)

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3. Medicaid Fraud Bust in Minnesota (21:50–29:58)

Main Theme:
The Trump DOJ, with support from RFK Jr. and Dr. Oz, announces a major fraud sting—over $90 million in Medicaid fraud, the largest autism fraud case to date.

Panel Insights:

• Scope of Fraud:

  • "Today's arrests represent the largest autism fraud bust in American history. This was organized theft that exploited the most vulnerable children…" —(22:02)
  • Dana Perino pushes for greater specificity:

    “$9 billion was taken, but what did that actually mean?...the home health care didn’t exist…the older people died.” (23:18)

• Political Blame Game:

  • Jessica Tarlov notes Trump’s commutation of a major fraud convict, undercutting anti-fraud rhetoric:

    “Donald Trump, for instance, commuted the sentence of Philip S. Worm, who stole $1.3 billion in Medicare and Medicaid funds…got out after 14 months.” (25:08)

  • Joey Jones broadens critique, stressing that fraud and government waste are bipartisan issues, affecting local communities:

    “Every time the federal government tries to mandate something and put money behind it, there are people there to take advantage of it.” (27:12)

• Immigration, Assimilation, and Crime:

  • Campos Duffy expresses frustration over the lack of assimilation and the perceived normalization of fraud among some immigrant populations:

    “We’re actually bringing people who hate us, who come from very exotic countries where there’s a lot of corruption and that’s part of the culture. And then we incentivize them with free stuff and then they do this kind of stuff.” (28:54)

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4. The AI Revolution: Economic & Social Fears (30:20–35:58)

Main Theme:
Rising anxiety over AI’s impact dominates headlines; the hosts debate its job-market consequences and deeper societal implications.

Panel Insights:

• Job Disruption vs. Opportunity:

  • Greg Gutfeld characterizes AI as overhyped by young people fearful for their future, imagines it cutting out bureaucracy but threatening certain white-collar jobs:

    "This is not going to replace the jobs you think it will…I think the challenge is going to be what happens to the source material if AI crawls through all this information to find that statistic you asked for." (31:08)

  • Rachel raises the spiritual dimension:

    "People who believe in God and people who think they're God…aren’t thinking about the dignity of work or the spiritual impact…” (32:36)

  • Joey Jones likens current attitudes to the nuclear arms race, worrying about escalation without purpose besides competition. (33:01)

• Grassroots Pushback:

  • Perino describes local opposition to AI data centers, with concerns over resources, noise, and lack of promised jobs. Outside funding (possibly foreign) is fueling the resistance. (33:54)

• Political Oversight:

  • Tarlov mentions a pending executive order to regulate AI models and the unease among creators. (35:08)
  • The hosts agree more public and government scrutiny is warranted.

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5. Lighter Segment: Hooters Goes Family-Friendly (36:24–38:15)

Main Theme:
Hooters rebrands itself as a family restaurant; panelists weigh in with humor and nostalgia.

Panel Highlights:

• Rachel jokes: “In the age of OnlyFans and Pornhub, Hooters feels a little wholesome these days.” (36:49)
• Joey laments the loss of menu items and the chain’s "downfall."
• Gutfeld jests: “They’re going to make it more kid-friendly by introducing breastfeeding. The waitresses will come to your table and breastfeed next to an AI data center.” (37:58)

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6. One More Thing: NASCAR Tragedy & Quirky News (38:31–40:01)

• Joey Jones announces the death of NASCAR champion Kyle Busch. (38:31)
• Gutfeld shares a humorous animal fact about anteaters’ anatomy.
• Campos Duffy plugs a patriotic book: “All American patriotism on sale right now. Three of you guys are in this book, America’s Nostalgic for America.” (39:51)

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Memorable Quotes

• “If you’re not going to fix the problem, you sure as hell aren’t gonna own up to it.” —Greg Gutfeld (04:17)
• “An autopsy is a medical procedure you do over a corpse. And now it sounds like we need a malpractice attorney because we couldn’t even do the autopsy correctly.” —Greg Gutfeld (01:14)
• “People would have been booing the Internet in 1990. They would be booing any kind of technology because they just don’t know enough about it.” —Greg Gutfeld (32:36)
• “He does not have the requisite experience on any level. … Spencer Pratt has been filming himself or being filmed for the entirety of his life.” —Jessica Tarlov (17:42)
• “In the age of OnlyFans and Pornhub, Hooters feels a little wholesome these days.” —Rachel Campos Duffy (36:49)

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Important Timestamps

• DNC Autopsy & Kamala Harris: 00:05–11:41
• LA Homelessness & Mayoral Race: 12:16–21:23
• Minnesota Medicaid Fraud: 21:50–29:58
• Artificial Intelligence Debate: 30:20–35:58
• Hooters Family-Friendly Segment: 36:24–38:15
• Final Segment / One More Thing: 38:31–40:01

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Tone

Energetic, punchy, humorous, and occasionally confrontational. The hosts mix analysis and pointed satire, often switching rapidly between serious discussions and comedic asides.

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This episode of "The Five" offers a whirlwind look at both hot-button political issues and quirky culture-war curiosities, all delivered in the show’s fast-paced, bantering style.

Transcript

[Rachel Campos Duffy]

Foreign.

[Joey Jones]

Hello everyone. I'm Joey Jones along with Rachel Campos Duffy, Jessica Tarlov and Dana Farino, and of course, Greg Gutfeld. It's five o' clock in New York City and this is the five. Yeah. At long last, after hiding the document like it was an ark of the covenant, the DNC finally releasing their long awaited autopsy. And what went wrong for Kamala Harris in 2024. It's nearly 200 pages long, chock full of embarrassing errors, spelling mistakes, and even a blank page labeled conclusion. And the guy who commissioned it, DNC Chairman Ken Martin, disavowing the report itself, saying it does not meet our standards and he's just not proud. So what does it say? Well, it pins the blame on Team Biden for failing to elevate his VP before she took over the reins of the party and blasting Kamala for failing to address Trump's they them attacks. It also says the Democrats lost connection to working class Americans focusing too much on anti Trump messaging. But these Democrats don't want to hear anything about it.

[Greg Gutfeld]

We didn't need an autopsy to tell us the Democratic Party doesn't know what the they are doing right now. I don't really care. I mean, I'm not sure those are the right people to diagnose what went wrong with the election. An autopsy is a medical procedure you do over a corpse. And now it sounds like we need a malpractice attorney because we couldn't even do the autopsy correctly.

[Joey Jones]

Yeah. The report is also getting called out for what it doesn't talk about.

[Greg Gutfeld]

There is nothing about Joe Biden and what happened in the debate. There's nothing about Kamala Harris getting the nomination without any kind of primary process. And also there is nothing about the way that voters were responding to Gaza and how the Joe Biden and Kamala Harris policies and comments about it were hitting their minds. It felt like it was a document designed to make sure nobody in the current leadership of the party would get fingered for the blame.

[Joey Jones]

Oh, well, to make matters worse for the left, according to the latest poll, only 20% of voters approve of the job the Democrat Party is doing. That puts them at 50, 52 points in the hole heading into the midterms. Jessica doesn't believe that, Greg. I think it's true though. I think this autopsy, what makes it so amazing is it wasn't that it had something in it no one knew and they didn't want anyone to know about it. Said the autopsy essentially confirms the entire line of attack Republicans used against Kamala and Biden. Through the entire election.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Yeah, that's part of it, you know, but why? People keep asking, why did it take so long to release the autopsy? Well, they were waiting for Kamala's toxicology report to come back. But autopsies are like an intervention. You know, your friends and family show up to tell you all the bad stuff that you've done. But here, they did skirt a lot of the issues. Why was that? You know, they. The ones that mattered were the cultural issues. They weren't brought up here and they weren't mentioned, especially trans, because they haven't changed their positions on them. So you don't. You. If you're not going to fix the problem, you sure as hell aren't gonna own up to it. You know, you're gonna talk about Trump instead. But the problem is if the underlying positions are still there, we're still gonna focus on it because it's a huge issue. You know, I went back, Dana, to find out the first time I mentioned a trans related story 2011 2012, about bathrooms. Now, I targeted this for a very important reason. Because I saw the intimidation tactics that would occur when it happened. And I figured that if I persuaded people on the importance of fighting this battle, it would matter. Wasn't a mar. You know, you could say, I remember the argument, it's only a few trans people. That wasn't the point. It was an attempt to engineer re engineer biology and silence anyone who dare questioned it. Why was the trans issue so important to challenge? Because people still ask me this usually when I'm out in the street signing autographs. I'll tell you why. It diagnosed and it exploited the fatal flaw of cultural relativism. That's the unlocked door where any idea that is detached from truth could enter. It just so happened that it was trans, but it didn't have to be. You know, trans women are women that got in. But it could have been anything else. 60 year olds are now 40. A morbidly obese person is now fit. Horses are people. Cantaloupes could have rights. It's all the same. Any position where truth is surrendered to the prevailing wishes of the mobility would become the order of the day and would compel you to obey. That's why it mattered. It was like the first strike against a 13 billion year old civilization, not civilization planet. And it was a flex. It was a flex of the unravelers. The people who said, if we could do this, there's no such thing as truth anywhere.

[Joey Jones]

Dana, why do you think they let it out now? Fear it was going to get leaked.

[Dana Perino]

Memorial Day weekend.

[Joey Jones]

People won't pay attention. They had to do it eventually.

[Dana Perino]

So Memorial Day weekend, and obviously the president sucks up a lot of oxygen when it comes to all the headlines. So, like, how can we get this out? Maybe they thought it was going to leak. And also a guy who used to work for Kamala Harris had gone out this week with a big piece. I don't remember where it ran, but Rob Flaherty, is that his name? Jessica. And he was like, here's what I think went wrong. So everybody was trying to get out ahead of this fact that they knew that it was going to come out. So there's that on the they them ad. So Adam Schiedler from tag, that's the group that put the ad together. And I think the DNC would have been very wise they should hire Adam and his team to say, okay, here's the ad we would make about you today going into the midterms. They don't have to release it, but pay them, create the ad and to know exactly what they're up against. There's something, it's called something in corporate jargon where you would do that. But to me, opposition research maybe or like, like where you workshop it or something. So that way at least they would,

[Joey Jones]

you know, those in the Marine Corps would say, you war game.

[Dana Perino]

It. War game.

[Greg Gutfeld]

It.

[Joey Jones]

War game. It is.

[Dana Perino]

But the other thing is, as Greg has said, like, or you could watch the five.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Yeah, yeah.

[Dana Perino]

Everything that is. I was reading this. All the, like bullet points from this, like, these are all the things that we're saying not because we're geniuses, but because they were obvious.

[Rachel Campos Duffy]

Or you could talk to a guy if you want to know what guys, you know, why you lost the mailboat, go talk to a guy. You don't need $10 million in a, you know, in some sort of study here autopsy. But there were some things in here that they should be listening to. A, the stuff that happened about how they lost young men. They talked about the rural vote and how they lost the rural working class vote. Why don't, I mean, you talk about it. I mean, and it's interesting that they lost that vote after Hillary didn't go to Wisconsin and everyone thought that was a point of why she lost that election. So the report was let out sloppily. There was a conclusion page that was blank. It was a little bit of a hot mess. But some of the stuff in there is still relevant. And I'm not seeing anyone, especially on the trans issue that Greg brought up. Other than Gavin Newsom, I don't see anybody else. I mean, you saw Governor west from Maryland, Westmoreland. He's still saying all the trans stuff from, you know, 2024. So why don't they want to listen to this? I think it's good. Some of this is good stuff.

[Jessica Tarlov]

Yeah. But the time to look at it was a year ago when it was available for release. They made it into a scandal when it wasn't. We've had a number of autopsies that have come out since the election, and they all say basically the same thing, you know, Jared Moskowitz.

[Joey Jones]

So why didn't they release it? Why did they?

[Jessica Tarlov]

Because it's a piece of crap. I mean, the fact that we spent our money on this, the DNC dollars that could have gone to, you know, knocking on doors or whatever else on an unfinished piece of shoddy work. There were no citations. And it would be like, you know, X, Y or Z happened or this interview, and then like, no sights. You don't know who said it. You don't know how he came up with his numbers. And so Ken Martin had to go in and redline the whole thing and say on the side, in the, in the brackets or what is it called? Like, the margins. In the margins, he says, no evidence for this. No evidence for this. So he didn't release it because he's embarrassed.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Sounds like climate science. Sounds like all the climate science you guys said was real.

[Jessica Tarlov]

It doesn't sound like that at all. Yes, like it is.

[Rachel Campos Duffy]

It is long. Well, it's not.

[Jessica Tarlov]

It's his longtime friend, this guy, this guy Paul Rivera, who, by the way, was still on the DNC dole until today, basically when now he's not going to be working on this anymore. So Ken Martin knew it was really bad and he felt shame about it. You're totally right about, you know, Biden was not included in this. Essentially, the talk of him being too old, being shielded from the public, that is a central factor in why we ended up losing the 2024 election.

[Joey Jones]

You think putting this out earlier would have kept. Would have given Democrats inspiration to have a talking point or a message or platform beyond, not Trump.

[Jessica Tarlov]

We had this already. We. Everything. I learned nothing in here except that they hired an inept person to do something that was deeply important after.

[Greg Gutfeld]

I don't trust. I don't trust any. But any analysis when they say that they don't like the report because it's shoddy, because they've never said that about their Reports. They just don't like this report.

[Jessica Tarlov]

That's not true. All of the reports that have come out say that we majorly messed up in 2024, that we messed up in some ways even in 2020. It was a Covid election and it, it was a different game, obviously. I think, you know, if we hadn't had a global health pandemic, President Trump might have won reelection, frankly, if people had not been stuck in their houses, etc. And the economy hadn't crashed and we

[Greg Gutfeld]

mail in votes, yes, we stole it.

[Jessica Tarlov]

I want to say something, though, about the transition.

[Rachel Campos Duffy]

Is this the leering center of the of autopsy reports? Like it's a scam. Like, got paid a lot of money to do nothing?

[Jessica Tarlov]

No, he didn't do nothing. He just did a bad job at what he was doing. On the day them ad, it was mentioned in here and it said that it did a big impact.

[Joey Jones]

It's funny, though, because it says that they failed to address the they them attacks. You address it by having common sense and rebuking it. You don't address it like, oh, by

[Jessica Tarlov]

the way, they literally, it was an

[Joey Jones]

issue that the entire country looked at and said, you're crazy.

[Jessica Tarlov]

Just sat there like a big turd in the middle of the election or in the middle of her 107 days. And the reason that the they them ad resonated so much, it was actually an economic argument more than it was an argument about trans issues. Because it said the Democrats are going to spend money on undocumented people. They're not going to spend it on Americans. It wasn't necessarily to goad people into feeling like, oh, I hate trans people. And Greg, you said, you know, we could tell them anything. We could say that a 40 year old is a 60 year old or maybe a 60 is a 40 year old. That's not it. People believe that. People believe that transgender people exist. What they don't believe is that they should be competing in competitive sports against biological women. That's what happened with all these bathroom bills. You even see conservatives that say, I don't really care where you pee, just don't make it my problem. I love the idea of a new ad, though. And we'll do it with Trump. Trump is for he him. Democrats are for you. And we could do that.

[Joey Jones]

People care where you pee. I'm telling you right now, I care where you pee. Yeah, well, I like to pee outside. I get in trouble for it all the time. We're going to flush this one, though. All right, Coming up Spencer Pratt is holding Karen Bass feet to the fire. Her feet, huh? Over her terrible handling of LA's homeless crisis.

[Dana Perino]

Spencer Pratt's bid to be LA mayor is getting more fuel, thanks in part to the many missteps of his opponent through current Mayor Karen Bass. And her fumbling of the city's homeless crisis is one of the things. Watch it.

[Joey Jones]

Your goal was to end street homelessness in LA by 2026. How were you so off? Well, basically when I said that it

[Rachel Campos Duffy]

was at the beginning of my term,

[Joey Jones]

I didn't anticipate some of the bureaucratic

[Spencer Pratt]

barriers that I would experience, but I

[Joey Jones]

am prepared to take those on now. But you promised that it would go away 100% and it's only gone down about 17.6%.

[Spencer Pratt]

Right.

[Joey Jones]

So why should people trust you that you're going to be able to get to the hundred? Because let me just tell you, for the first time, we've had a decrease at all.

[Dana Perino]

But Spencer Pratt says that the city needs a more common sense approach.

[Spencer Pratt]

These people need medical treatment, not what Nithya and Karen Bass are talking.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Where do they.

[Spencer Pratt]

They have the right to experience drug addiction and die. Seven people on the street every day. No, I'm actually the compassionate one running here. I don't believe we have a bad issue. I believe we have people that don't want to use the beds because they want to do drugs and be on the street.

[Dana Perino]

What do you think of his candidacy, Joey?

[Joey Jones]

He knows all the problems. He may not know all the answers, but he is doing a hell of a job identifying the problems. I mean, she sits there and she goes, I wasn't prepared for the bureaucracy. Ma', am, you ran for mayor. What did you think it was going to be? I mean, maybe she's always been a bully and she thought she could just bully her way there, but. Or maybe she's not very good at it and she's looking for an excuse. She also said something like, in response to him, she said something along the lines of, you know, you go spend a week on the streets and see if your mental health doesn't change. And it's like, well, my man did get homeless. I mean, it probably did affect his mental health so much that now he wants to run for mayor and fix this place. The way she's smug about it, I think it turns off voters, but I don't know. I mean, I think they could run Joe Biden right now and he'd probably win because LA is not, probably not going to vote for a Republican. But I think Spencer is doing a good job.

[Dana Perino]

He explained why he became a Republican. Here, if you can play that, please.

[Spencer Pratt]

When I was a hated reality star, I got so many death threats. I had so much security and police and what did they tell me to do? Get a gun. I got a gun, my wife got a gun. And then we needed CCWs. The only people that supported a CCW was the Republican. That was what I aligned with. My safety, my personal safety, my family's safety.

[Dana Perino]

So, like, that's the base need, is your family security?

[Greg Gutfeld]

Well, yeah. That's why people find him so refreshing. You don't have to even like Pratt to despise everything that Bass represents. She's a professional gaslighter and it's done as a survival mechanism. If I can lie for the next couple of months, effectively, I'll get another four years to leach off the system. Meanwhile, you see these ads for Pratt, which a lot of them are AI The AI ads are more realistic than the Dems when they try to act authentic. Like she comes off as AI when she talks, you know, she was talking about the homeless, saying it's not about drugs, it's about poverty. She portrays the homeless.

[Jessica Tarlov]

That.

[Greg Gutfeld]

That goes against everything. Every citizen who lives in a blue city knows and understands. If you spend all your money on drugs, you're not going to be able to afford rent. So you move to California where rent isn't necessary. The weather is great, the laws are non existent, food's available, you can get a dog, test your drugs on them, but over time, you're no longer human. So she was up. She was mad that he compared to her to zombies. What are they? When you talk to anybody on the street, and I do sometimes, not by choice. You're not talking to a human being. You're talking to a drug. The drug is in front of you. They are not in control of the situation. At least we understand that. Pretending that they're in control of the situation is not compassion. It's cruelty. Her arguments are designed as obstacles to solutions. Instead of confronting a problem, she denies it exists. It isn't drugs. It's poverty. No, it isn't. You will not find a homeless person who is healthy, sane and poor. You know, poor people, by definition don't just decide to ruin their lives. And if they find one, if Bass finds one rare example of, you know, some like, senior citizen woman who's healthy, insane, it's as rare as a streaking comet, and it will be gone just as quickly. Her argument does not come from compassion. It's for self preservation because nothing she does is designed for the people. It's designed for her.

[Dana Perino]

Jessica, I was actually looking at this policy wise. What would be the objection to voting for Pratt if you wanted change? Like, I mean, he is a Republican, but I'm looking at the things that he wants to do. It doesn't seem to me that I can't imagine most normal Democrats would disagree.

[Jessica Tarlov]

Some of them, certainly, the stuff related to the rebuild and cutting red tape to make sure that if you have an enormous fire and your home is incinerated, that you can build something new and get back in there. That's something that Kennedy talks about all the time. You know, she. Her neighborhood was totally devastated by this around homelessness. There are a lot of people who feel similarly. If you listen to Matt Mahan, the mayor of San Jose, it doesn't sound that different.

[Rachel Campos Duffy]

Right.

[Jessica Tarlov]

But it comes with somebody that actually knows how to get things done in government. And I think that is fundamentally what people are going to have. The problem with Spencer Pratt, he doesn't have the requisite experience on any level. I'm not just even trying to. You want to say, oh, Donald Trump. And he was his. Not my guy, but he ran a big organization. Right. I mean, Spencer Pratt has been filming himself or being filmed for the entirety of his life. He does not have experience in any of this. He hasn't made it clear that he's going to hire the right people. I mean, to my mind, if Rick Caruso had said, I'm going to get in this race, he would have steamrolled the field. The guy who arguably should have won the time before when he ran against

[Dana Perino]

Pratt is the one getting the attention.

[Rachel Campos Duffy]

Well, he's.

[Jessica Tarlov]

Can I just say something? And I'm hearing this from friends in L. A as well. Spencer Pratt has a very online candidacy.

[Dana Perino]

Yes.

[Jessica Tarlov]

And that does not necessarily translate to votes. His odds of winning as he gains steam, his odds of winning in the betting markets are going down. And people are also seeing things like videos of him palling around with Alex Jones from years ago saying, you know, I'm going to catch flack for this, but you're a really good guy. And, you know, people see this Sandy Hook spin that they have, and they're like, he doesn't believe the parents and the babies. Talk about a guy who said those were child actors.

[Dana Perino]

I know it's similar to. We've seen this before, Rachel. People. But, like, people, people nationally will be following something. And Pratt has done that. He is. He has found a constituency all across America when he actually needs the votes in L. A. But his point about compassion, I thought that was a good one.

[Rachel Campos Duffy]

So these ads are very interesting. One of them, he's got these guys in the backyard, and they're all saying, well, he's kind of right about this. I mean, and they're kind of reluctant to say they're going to vote for him. And then at the end, they go, I think I'll vote for him. And then they say, I mean, I'm not MAGA or anything. I'm not MAGA or anything. And it reminds me of something back in 2016, when President Trump was. Trump was running in that election. I was a political spouse, and so people knew where I stood.

[Jessica Tarlov]

Right.

[Rachel Campos Duffy]

My husband endorsed Donald Trump, the first one in Wisconsin. And so people would come to me

[Jessica Tarlov]

and say, I voting for Trump.

[Rachel Campos Duffy]

And they would whisper it to me. They felt this was in Wisconsin, a rural Wisconsin. People were afraid to say they would vote for Trump because it would seem like you're a bad person or you're a racist. So I find that very interesting. I think he's plain spoken. I think that word that she used, the unhoused, that's a weird word. Nobody talks about the unhoused. It's a word that's meant to shame you for noticing that people are on the streets with, you know, needles everywhere, and you have to walk over feces to get to school. I think people are sick of that. I think he's very. He has common sense.

[Joey Jones]

But real quick, I really want to know what your response is to Jessica's take that people that are like, you know, reality TV stars don't really have that experience to go be leaders.

[Jessica Tarlov]

Yeah.

[Rachel Campos Duffy]

Well, first of all, he was invested in the show that made him famous. So he is a businessman in production and reality tv. He's obviously a successful guy. Apparently, he can rent a hotel in Bel Air and hang out there. I can't do that for a week.

[Dana Perino]

I like Bel Air.

[Rachel Campos Duffy]

Yeah. So I think he's. I think people overestimate what it takes to run. If you have common sense and you are humble enough to reach out to people who can help you to get the job done, you can do it.

[Jessica Tarlov]

He hasn't said that.

[Rachel Campos Duffy]

Where is she training in the summer when she was a kid? When she was in college, she went to Cuba and was a youth brigade person. You know, back then, she has communist sort of vibes about her. That's what her background is. And she's clearly doing a bad job. Why not take a chance on just like people said, let's take a chance

[Jessica Tarlov]

on Trump because it could always get worse, as it did with Trump.

[Dana Perino]

Up next, RFK Jr. And the Trump DOJ making a major fraud announcement about Minnesota.

[Greg Gutfeld]

The Trump administration flushing more fraud out of tampons backyard. Flanked by RFK Jr. And Dr. Oz, the DOJ announcing 15 spanking new indictments in their Minnesota fraud federal investigation, saying they uncovered more than $90 million in fraud in seven different state managed Medicaid programs, all being used as personal piggy banks by the fraudsters. My message to the fraudsters is eat, drink and be merry today because your days of frolicking and freedom are numbered. We will claw back every dollar you have stolen from the American people. Today's arrests represent the largest autism fraud bust in American history. This was organized threat, organized theft that exploited the most vulnerable children in America. This comes as Amy Bach, the ringleader of the feeding out future fraud, was sentenced to a whopping 41 years in the slammer for her role in this scandal. You know, Dana, the thing that there's like a double fraud here and that is the autism scandal. So you have all this money that goes to something, but then you also have the creation of an imaginary epidemic where all of a sudden everybody thought your kid has autism. Look at all these cases that are happening everywhere. What is autism? And it was like, how did this happen? There was, it's, it's as though Democrats are allergic to oversight. This is like the border.

[Dana Perino]

And all of that led to a debunked cause that was announced by RFK Jr. On Tylenol. So that's been debunked as well. So all of that wasted energy and time based on this fraud. Also remember the Attorney General of Minnesota, he was on the hook for this because he took money from the people, from those type of people and said, don't worry, I'll make sure that they stop coming after you, that they stop investigating you. He comes to Congress in order to be to testify, and the Republicans didn't even let him talk. So you can't really be done for perjury if you don't actually ever have to say a word. So that happened. The other thing is I think that the administration is doing a good job of exposing this, but I think they need to get a little more granular. Yes. So $9 billion was taken, but what did that actually mean? So one of the things that happened is that they would tell senior citizens here, sign up for home health care. Seniors were like, great, I need home health care. They signed up for it. The home health care didn't exist. The home health care never showed up, and the older people died. That actually happened there. So I would get much more specific about what happened because of this fraud.

[Joey Jones]

Yeah.

[Greg Gutfeld]

You know, Jessica, I feel like I have scam envy. Like, why did I bother working for a living when I could just do this, come up with some home health care thing, you know, some telemarketing. I'm on a beach in Cancun. Like a typical liberal Democrat.

[Jessica Tarlov]

No big fan of rooting out fraud. I think it's important. I did notice that Amy Bach is not Somalian, and I was assured that it was the Somalis that were criminating all the fraud.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Those are her. They worked with her.

[Jessica Tarlov]

Oh, I understand. I'm just saying that's the way that this was phrased.

[Greg Gutfeld]

All you see is color.

[Joey Jones]

Oh.

[Jessica Tarlov]

And when you blanket say, you know,

[Joey Jones]

she's not Somalian, just.

[Jessica Tarlov]

Joey, don't push me on this.

[Dana Perino]

Okay.

[Jessica Tarlov]

All right. The clip that we didn't show, and I think that this. This relates to what Dana was talking about a bit, is the reporter asks McDonald, the DOJ official, President Trump has granted clemency to numerous individuals who have stolen hundreds of millions in Medicaid funds. Can we expect these folks to be shown the same mercy? And then McDonald says, I'll take a different question. And that's because he has no good answer for why. Donald Trump, for instance, commuted the sentence of Philip S. Worm, who stole $1.3 billion in Medicare and Medicaid funds and was sentenced to 20 years in jail, got out after 14 months. And this is why the GOP can't get that reconciliation bill through. They're being sent home because they can't defend his 1776 slush fund. So the actions that Donald Trump is taking that are defrauding Americans, they're taking your tax dollars to let people off the hook or to pay off J6ers or whatever he's going to do with it is the story of fraud that Americans right now who are struggling are focused on, and it makes these actions. And again, I think anyone who commits fraud should go to jail. But the hypocrisy is so evident, and the fact that the DOJ can't even answer for it, can't say, well, actually, no one should be shown mercy who does this? Not the folks we're putting away now, and not the folks who were put away before.

[Joey Jones]

You know what's funny about this is like, you care about January 6th, right? That's an insurrection. It's the worst thing ever. It was. No, I'm making an analogy here. But, like, silent. When it's the local precinct that's getting burned down or the local courthouse or the local town like Ferguson, Mississippi, or Minneapolis, you know, the whole Summer of 2020, the summer of love, it's like, oh, well, those are just people that are trying to get their feelings hurt and they're oppressed, so they're trying to show it. So it's like when it attacks the town, the local municipality, when it attacks the state, it's not a big deal. But when it's at the Capitol, you know, now it's a huge deal because we can put it on TV and we can pin it on Trump. And it feels like you're doing the same thing with fraud. Like the fact that this fraud that we're talking about through Minnesota or California, what people know is that it happens in and just about every state across the country. It definitely happens in Republican states because anytime the government puts a mandate on something and then puts money with it, there's going to be someone that will take advantage of it. I say put the pedal to the metal on all of it. Everybody out there buying land and putting up solar farms so they can sell tax credits to get their bad business in the green and move it over to the red on the solar farm. Every time the federal government tries to mandate something and put money behind it, there are people there to take advantage of it. And I care more about fraud in my town and in my state than I do Donald Trump giving a favor to somebody, I don't like it. I agree with you. It's a bad. Look, there's not a politician out there that hasn't done something like that. That's why I generally just kind of speak badly of politicians and across the board. But when it comes to fraud in my town, when it's illegals in my town that claim 15 independents so they don't pay any taxes all year long, and when the IRS finally catches up with them, they go away, come back the next year with a new last name and a new Social Security number. That's fraud. And it happens by the hundreds of thousands in northwest Georgia or all over Georgia, much less all the other things we're talking about, like the learning center and the health care things where people actually die. Try going to the health department in a town that's overrun by illegals to get anything. It doesn't happen because that's their free health care that they're Going to take advantage of all these, all these municipal resources that we pay for with our taxes in a local area are sucked up by illegals that come there or homeless and drug addicts or anyone else who wants to disenfranchise themselves and rely on what's made available. That's fraud, too. And go after every single bit of it.

[Rachel Campos Duffy]

Yeah. You know, crime is crime, crooks are crooks. But there's something actually more infuriating when you're an immigrant, when you come to this country legally or illegally, and you're, you should be excited. I think about my own mom coming to this, you know, country and getting her citizenship when I was 20, when I was in kindergarten and she was in her 20s. And she was so excited and felt so honored. We've stopped assimilating people. We're actually bringing people who hate us, who come from very exotic countries where there's a lot of corruption and that's part of the culture. And then we incentivize them with free stuff and then they do this kind of stuff. So, yeah, it's bad that that lady, you know, that you were talking about that she did that. Of course, it's terrible. But I almost feel worse about the people who are doing it who were kind of guests in our country legally or illegally. And I'm really frustrated by it. And I really hope that this woman ends up uncovering a lot more. I hope they give her a deal so she uncover all of the stuff, because this is everywhere.

[Greg Gutfeld]

All right, coming up next, AI hate is growing.

[Rachel Campos Duffy]

Well, President Trump going all in on AI.

[Greg Gutfeld]

I tell you, AI has been amazing because right now we have more jobs, more people working right now in the United States by far than we ever had before.

[Rachel Campos Duffy]

But across the country, anxiety spreading fast. A new Wall Street Journal piece dives into Americans rebellion against artificial intelligence, laying out fears like rising energy prices and widespread job losses. Greg? Yeah, I was amazed at some of these graduation ceremonies and the speakers standing up and they're boomers and they're extolling the virtues of AI and the students. Presidents are booing. Obviously they're seeing something about their future that the boomers are not.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Well, they're stupid. Imagine, imagine if Kamala was president right now, trying to understand AI when I can't even understand Kamala. This is like, it's pretty amazing that we have an 80 year old president who was on top of this stuff when, when really nobody else was. This is not going to replace the jobs you think it will. What goes away if these young people are worried are research assistants, analysts, paralegals, consultants who are paid to create reports. What should go away is the vast middle of bureaucracy. Imagine the 20 steps between your request and the product that you want. Anybody who uses AI knows what I'm talking about. If I need to answer a question, it cuts away three or four steps. I think the challenge is going to be what happens to the source material if AI crawls through all this information to find that statistic you asked for. You're still going to need the source for that statistic. It's like local news. It's like with. When the Internet came, we lost local news. We might lose something. Apps are going to go away, that's for sure. But you're going to. This phone is just going to be a black screen, and anybody can use anybody's phone because it's just going to be AI. You won't need a. You won't need a food app, you won't need a music app, you won't need a weather app. It's just going to be an AI agent. The fact that would. People would. These people would have been booing the Internet in 1990. You know, they would have been. They would be booing any kind of technology because they just don't know enough about it.

[Rachel Campos Duffy]

But is there something deeper, maybe spiritual about this? You know, they say that the world is divided into two camps. People who believe in God and people who think they're God. And so many of the people who are creating this technology, I think, aren't thinking about the dignity of work. They're not thinking about the importance of human creativity or the spiritual impact even of the implications of AI in our lives. Should we think about it?

[Joey Jones]

I think we're looking at AI right now, kind of like nuclear technology. Well, if we don't do it, China will. So we have to do it. We don't know if it's going to kill us. We don't know if it's going to ruin us. But if China gets it and we don't, we're going to be in a bad spot. And I just don't like, even if that's true, I don't like that being the compass. I don't like that being the why, the reason, the purpose. You know, for me, I think you missed the nuance. Like shark attacks and ice cream sales are on the same trajectory each year. And it's like if you don't know the nuance of why that is, if you're just looking at it objectively, that's why was it ostensibly, Mark Twain said, stats, stats and more lies. You can take numbers and make them things. That doesn't make it true because you're not discussing why, you're not discussing the nuance of human nature or what have you.

[Rachel Campos Duffy]

I think that Dana, the young people actually understand AI better than a lot

[Jessica Tarlov]

of the older people.

[Rachel Campos Duffy]

I mean, so there's maybe, maybe Greg's right. They're just, just like not thinking it through. But maybe actually they know something we don't. They're very tech savvy.

[Dana Perino]

So when I looked into this, I, I went in a different direction. So. And that is that what people are really objecting to and I think it's worth asking questions about. It's the actual AI data centers. It's the ones that are eating up the farmland, taking, making. Like in places like in Fayetteville, Georgia, the water pressure is all of a sudden so low. The noise is very loud. They promise a lot of jobs, but the jobs don't come. I think it's worth asking those questions. And the grassroots are there now. One of the concerns is apparently Arabella advisors, we've heard about them before. They are funding a lot of this propaganda to tell communities you don't want these data centers there. Where do they get their money? A lot of it is dark money. A lot of it comes from overseas. Probably a lot of it is coming from the place that Joey mentioned, the main competitor, because they don't want us to have the data or. And the power to produce the data. However, if I'm living in one of those communities, and that's. If I have a trickle in my shower, you are going to. I am going to get.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Don't live near an almond farm.

[Dana Perino]

Exactly. I don't want the almond farm either.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Almond. Almond farms use way more, way more water than a data center.

[Rachel Campos Duffy]

Should we be rushing into it or should we be asking these really important existential questions around it and also the very practical ones?

[Jessica Tarlov]

Well, she's talking about the data centers are. Is some of the least dis. The most disliked entities in America right now. It's like congressional Democrats and data centers. I will say, though, the. The crux of the issue right now is whether President Trump signs this executive order that would give government the ability to review new AI models. And lots of the creators of these AI models have said that they are scared even of how quickly this changes and it is moving. And I think that having some role, some oversight role is important because if you get a bad gu in charge of this and lets it loose. And then the robots come for all of us or the data centers or however we're going to die at the hands of AI. Maybe the government could have saved us.

[Rachel Campos Duffy]

I'm always worried about these tech guys. They want all of our kids to have iPads. They want to.

[Jessica Tarlov]

And then they don't give it to their own kids.

[Rachel Campos Duffy]

They don't give it their kids, and they send their kids to Waldorf school, and they send their kids to Montessori school, and then they're like, your kids can have an AI and an iPad or whatever. So I just think we got to talk about it.

[Jessica Tarlov]

It.

[Rachel Campos Duffy]

Anyway, the fastest is next.

[Joey Jones]

Oh, yeah. Life goes on long after the three

[Rachel Campos Duffy]

of living is gone.

[Jessica Tarlov]

Yes, it is me. Welcome back. Hooters says bring the kids. Great song for Hooters. No, really. The infamous restaurant chain long known for skimpy uniforms and, quote, bikini nights, is now trying to reinvent itself as a more family friendly restaurant, like hosting middle school baseball teams. I will ask the woman who has birthed a baseball team, are you bringing all nine to Hooters? It's nine.

[Rachel Campos Duffy]

No. I don't want to go to Hooters with my kids. However, I will say, in the age of onlyfans and pornhub, Hooters feels a little wholesome these days. I think that's what's happening, right? I think, you know, it started in 1983. It's having a comeback. I think Pizza Huts are trying to, you know, come back and do their thing as well. And, you know, they suffered from lawsuits. Men wanted to also wear the uniform, so they had to get over all this kind of stuff.

[Jessica Tarlov]

And now they're back.

[Rachel Campos Duffy]

So.

[Jessica Tarlov]

Nostalgia play.

[Joey Jones]

Joey, you know, the problem with Hooters is they got rid of the chicken quesadilla. I used to go order two of them. I loved it. It was a very fine place. Family establishment. I enjoyed it. Never got the waitress I wanted when I got there. That always made me mad. The one in Destin was awesome. We'll leave it at that. I hate that it's going that it's kind of going on. The downfall, though.

[Dana Perino]

Yeah, Dana, I guess that is one of the concerns that people say that, well, what if they change the uniforms and then that will be the sacrilegious situation. I don't care where people take their kids to eat.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Like, just not where you are.

[Dana Perino]

Just not near me. Exactly.

[Greg Gutfeld]

It's kind of interesting.

[Rachel Campos Duffy]

Now you love kids.

[Greg Gutfeld]

It's kind of interesting. They're gonna. You know what? They're gonna do because it's Hooters, obviously they're going to make it more kid friendly by introducing breastfeeding. So the actual waitresses will come to your table and breastfeed next to an AI data center.

[Joey Jones]

Yes.

[Jessica Tarlov]

Looking forward to it. One More Thing is up next.

[Joey Jones]

Yeah.

[Dana Perino]

Welcome back.

[Joey Jones]

It's time now for One More Thing, and I go first. I'm very saddened to tell you that NASCAR champion, father, husband and friend Kyle Busch has passed away at the age of 41. It's confirmed. Not a lot of details. His brother Kurt's a good friend of mine. Several people in the NASCAR world that I know very well. That is a real community. Along with the fans and we're shocked, saddened and sorrowed. God bless Kyle Busch.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Oh, tonight, what a show. Sherrod Small, Jim Florentine, Emily Campagno, Tyrus. Do we have time for this? Yes, we do, Greg. Sexy Anteater news now with Retzin. Roll it. At the Buffalo Zoo, Johnny Anteaters, Maria and Droopy have been enjoying each other's company. Anteaters are strictly solitary animals. Dana, much like you.

[Dana Perino]

It doesn't look very solitary.

[Greg Gutfeld]

No. They were sent in the hopes of breeding and boy, did they. Male giant anteaters do not have external testicles as they are hidden inside their bodies to prevent damage from insect bites. Why didn't we think of that?

[Joey Jones]

Didn't know they were Democrats.

[Dana Perino]

I'll skip. Go ahead, Victor.

[Rachel Campos Duffy]

Thank you.

[Jessica Tarlov]

One more thing.

[Rachel Campos Duffy]

All American patriotism on sale right now. Three of you guys are in this book, America's Nostalgic for America. So get the book and celebrate America. 250.

[Joey Jones]

Awesome cover. All right, that's it.

[Greg Gutfeld]

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