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Dana Perino
Hello everyone. I'm dana perino along with emily campagno, harold ford jr. Jesse waters and greg duck belt. It's five o' clock in new york city and this is the five. Breaking new developments on the frantic search for Nancy Guthrie. Officials confirming that one of the ransom notes sent to the Media has a 5pm deadline today. Now, it's unclear what time zone that is. They also confirmed that the blood found on her porch does in fact belong to Nancy Guthrie. Last night, the family made an emotional plea for her safe return. And earlier, the Pima county sheriff gave some hope that Nancy Guthrie is still alive.
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Jesse Waters
We believe Nancy is still out there. We want her home. Our department, the sheriff's department, along with all of our partners at the FBI have been working around the clock.
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Harold Ford Jr.
And.
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Jesse Waters
We just want her home and find a way to get to the bottom of all of this.
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Dana Perino
Jonathan Hunt is standing by in Tucson. He has the latest news update for us. Hi, Jonathan.
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Jonathan Hunt
Hi, Dana. What we did not get today were answers to the biggest, most important questions. Where is Nancy Guthrie? Who has her under their control right now? What we did get was a lot of new granular detail about the timeline leading up to her disappearance. The fact that she had dinner with family members believed to be her daughter Annie and Annie's husband Tommaso on Saturday night. And then this fascinating 41 minute critical time period beginning at 1:47am on Sunday. That is when her doorbell camera was disconnected. And then around 2:12, something was captured. They believe it was a person on another camera. What they don't know is where the video from. That is. There may not in fact be any video from that moment, but the camera detected something. And then at 2:28, Nancy Guthrie's pacemaker that she wears disconnected from her Apple watch and her iPhone. So the assumption obviously is that is the point at which she was taken from her home. But the big question, who has her? The sheriff says no answers to that.
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Jesse Waters
Listen, at this time we have not identified a suspect or a person of interest in this case. We are working our best to do that. But to be clear, we have nobody of interest or any suspects that you would consider a prime suspect? I wouldn't say anybody's ruled out yet. Because what if I rule you out and then later I learn something else? No.
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Jonathan Hunt
Now, you'll remember that earlier in the week the sheriff's department said they were releasing the crime scene at the home. They had done their work there. Well, that turned out not to be the case because less than 24 hours yesterday evening, they went back to the house in force. Sheriff's deputies, border patrol agents with K9 units and FBI agents. They took more items from the house, including what looked to us like some sort of computer terminal or monitor, perhaps wrapped in brown paper. They put it into a car. It was driven away. So certainly something happened yesterday that led them to go back to the house and take another look at it. And then we have the question of these ransom notes, which are still not fully authenticated by officials, but they say they are taking them seriously. And the FBI agent in charge today spoke directly to those potential kidnappers.
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Harold Ford Jr.
Listen to anyone that may be involved. Do the right thing. This is an 84 year old grandma. This is an 84 year old grandma that needs vital medication for her well being. You still have the time to do the right thing before this becomes a worse, much worse scenario for you. Please return Nancy home.
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Jonathan Hunt
So you mentioned that deadline mentioned in the ransom note, Dana, 5:00pm now, we assume that by that they mean Arizona time, not Eastern time. That's an assumption. But if they did indeed mean Arizona time, we are less than two hours now from that deadline. The FBI and the sheriff would not go into any detail what the threat was of what action might be carried out if that deadline is missed. But clearly it's a very significant time.
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Dana Perino
Coming up, Dana, Jonathan Hunt, thank you so much. And we'll get some thoughts from around the table here. Jesse Waters, what do you think is happening here?
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Jesse Waters
I have no idea. No one knows. Savannah doesn't even know. At one point during the video last night, she said, mom, please come home if you can. So we don't know if we're dealing with a kidnapping, a hoax. We don't know anything right now. They're just looking for proof of life. Without proof of life, you have nothing. And they're not going to wire all this money to a bitcoin account if they don't know she's alive. I don't understand the Motive. Because if it's about money, okay, why would you go to tmz? Why would you make it such a huge spectacle? It's almost like the people that allegedly kidnapped this mother wanted it to go national. Because, you know, if you were to kidnap somebody that didn't have a famous daughter, who couldn't contact the President of the United States, that couldn't bring the FBI into the scene, you'd just probably go to anonymous, wealthy family and do it cleanly. The blood indicates, because the blood goes from the house all the way out to the driveway and then stops. Maybe the blood stops once you get into the car. That means there was a violent struggle and that she resisted. I hope she didn't pass away after they'd kidnapped her. And we're just praying that she's okay because that would be so sad. It looks professional though, because they go in and they disarm the cameras. We don't know even if the person was in the house before as she was dropped off. That's a possibility as well. The second look, the FBI comes in and sweeps the house again. Now, last night, at first we think it's because they missed something in the initial sweep because they'd cleared the mom's house. But you're just hearing now the FBI, when they come in, they're always going to want to look at it themselves. And then they send the FBI to the sister's house and there was a little scrutiny placed on the sister and the husband. And we believe they're just there because that might have been the place where they shot this video that was released last night. And it looks like they may have taken the electronics and downloaded the electronics from the sister and the husband just to make sure everybody is on the same page. Now the sheriff people are giving a hard time too. And at first you're like, why is this guy doing all of these media interviews? And it turns out sheriffs are elected. So this guy's a politician, that's why he's doing so much media. And there's a little frustration because at one point he's like, okay, well, there was forced entry, but there's not forced entry. And then we're not gonna say. And then he's like, well, you know, the son in law dropped her off. Now is just the family. So it's very confusing. And the fact that he didn't post a patrol car at the residence for days when reporters were going up to the house and contaminating the scene and videotaping the blood splatter it just seemed like a very amateur move. I hope everything is locked down and we're getting a lot closer because there's another deadline on Monday.
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Dana Perino
And Emily, Paul Morrow said something today that in his mind, if this is a kidnapping and it's a ransom situation and you have somebody that has medical needs that you're talking about more than one person being involved. So perhaps that is a way to find a way in to solve the mystery.
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Emily Campagno
Yes. And oftentimes communications between co conspirators are sort of the vulnerability because ultimately at some point usually they use some type of digital communication. And I was thinking about everything about this case is obviously so shocking and so heartbreaking. It's difficult even for me at least to have even watched that video of the family. Just the concept of an 84 year old mother plucked from her home. And I thought about, I was trying to think about, you know, what case is similar to that historically. And I think about Polly klaas, who was 12 years old, but she too was plucked from her bedroom. And the concept that that is the saf. Safest place. We all think of your home and especially your bedroom as truly the safest haven that anyone could ever have. And the thought of her being alone and if this was the case being plucked from it, it just shocks the conscience. But in the polyclass case, Eddie Fryer was the lead FBI agent who did a masterful job of sort of fielding what became frankly millions of tips involved. And I thought about with that ransom note, the Chowchilla bus kidnapping situation where that ransom note never even got to police because there was such a deluge of communication. And the difficulty here is, I think in part fielding the amount of information and you're assessing each for credibility and also for relevance as you parse through, and rightly so, they've encouraged everyone who even thinks they have something irrelevant or small to submit it. And then I think about now, at what point is this a hostage negotiation? At what point, if all of this is true, does there the communication between those perps and law enforcement come to light? And I think about Kyle Vohwinkel, also FBI hostage negotiator who managed a seven year old boy in Alabama who was taken hostage for days. And guys, there is a spectrum of patience and ensuring that the perp doesn't do something horrific to who they have. And also the need to get that person with medical liability here back into safety and that it trumps at a certain point you having the ball in the court of the perp. And final thought, as we Talk about how the sheriff fields pr and again, harkening back to Eddie Fryer and the good job he did. Dianne Feinstein ruined the Night Stalker investigation when she went to the media and talked about the shoe tread and size of the Night Stalker before law enforcement gave her the approval to do so. He watched that and he threw away those shows. He threw them shoes. He threw them off the Golden Gate Bridge. And therefore, there were people that were brutally raped and murdered after that presser because they had to start from scratch to catch that guy because he was tipped off as to what they're looking for. So I'm hoping they have a lot more than they're letting on.
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Dana Perino
Yeah, and maybe. Maybe they do, Greg, and they're not able to tell us because they're on the trail.
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Greg Gutfeld
Yeah, maybe. I mean, I think there was actually a big takeaway from that presser that when they said no one is ruled out because they could have ruled out one or two people, but they didn't. So I think that's kind of interesting. I always. You know, these are terrible. Like, we get paid to talk, but we also get paid to shut up. You know, it's like you don't want to say stuff because there's a. There's a. A poor woman out there who's missing her mother. And I think you always try to begin with some hope. And so I'll bring up, you know, Violet Ripken. Remember her? That was the mother of Cal Ripken Jr. Who was kidnapped and then returned. You know, it was. She was gone for 24 hours. And that was back in 2012. And the weird thing about Violet Ripken is like, 15 months later, she was a victim of an attempted carjacking that was totally unrelated. So, you know, the weird things can happen. I always do this thought experience with present day mysteries. I imagine the Dateline episode three years from now. And I let Andrea Canning's narration unfold in my brain, and it helps you kind of like direct yourselves to the Occam's Razor, you know, outcome that it's probably somebody she knows or somebody she knows who hired somebody. Maybe they assumed she had money. She was an easy mark. She put up a fight. Could be a vendetta, could have been an argument about money. And the ransom itself is a red herring. Again, the cops said not to rule anyone out, but that's my take. Okay?
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Dana Perino
And Harold Ford Jr. Who knows Savannah and her family very well, we.
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Harold Ford Jr.
This is painful. My wife and I know Savannah and her husband and our great friends, her kids and My kids are great friends. We're obviously heartbroken by the, by the abduction, as everyone around the table is. I watched Savannah yesterday in that tape statement and knowing her, I know the pain and I can only the sense of closeness that she shared is general. I know her mom. I'm grateful that President Trump called and offered the full force of federal law enforcement to be helpful. I'm a person of deep, deep faith and I continue just to pray for her health, Ms. Guthrie's health and her safe return and pray for the strength of Savannah and all of that family, as do we.
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Dana Perino
All right, coming up next, President Trump touting his super stamina in a Super bowl interview.
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Jesse Waters
Looks like we meet again.
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Emily Campagno
This is Ainsley Earhart. Thank you for joining me for the 52 episode podcast series the Life of.
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Jesse Waters
Jesus, A listening experience that will provide hope, comfort and understanding of the the greatest story ever told. Listen and follow now@foxnewspodcasts.com or wherever you listen to podcasts.
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Emily Campagno
Weird Science. He's putting the super in Super Bowl. President Trump touting his amazing success and stamina in a Super bowl interview with NBC. And the sky must be falling because he actually got a compliment from the interviewer for securing the border.
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Jesse Waters
You've had success on immigration. Illegal border crossings are at historic lows. Right. You know, it's so nice that you said, but if you look at the top, okay, what you said, it's true. No, but it's so nice. I hope you air it. It's so nice what you said because that's called good reporting. That's called fair reporting. Give me the second party now. Let me give you the second part of the question. But, but, but if you, the president.
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Emily Campagno
Also touched on the current state of the economy and how he thinks the, his legacy will stack up against Oval Office heavyweights like Honest Abe and good old George Washington.
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Jesse Waters
I'm getting starting to get great polls on the economy, which I think the polls on the economy aren't. They're not great. They should be great. I'm a smart guy. I know the economy better than almost everybody.
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Harold Ford Jr.
You think at one point people will talk about you when they talk about.
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Jesse Waters
Presidents like Washington and Lincoln? Is that something you think is going to happen? It's such an honor. But now walking down and everyone's screaming, goat, goat. I said, what are they talking about? I hope they're right. Not for me, but for the country. Because if I do a great job, that means the country is doing well.
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Emily Campagno
And sorry, Democrats, President Trump says he is aging in Reverse.
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Jesse Waters
I feel great. I mean, physically and mentally. I feel like I did 50 years ago.
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Emily Campagno
I'll have what he's having, Harold. Benjamin Button, what do you think about him compared to honesty? Good old George Washington.
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Harold Ford Jr.
Yeah, I think the President, I hope, I wish him the best, but he's nowhere close to. George Washington saved the country and Abraham Lincoln, President Lincoln saved the country again. But I hear with the President, everyone wants to be on that, on that, on that mountain. And he has every right to talk that way. He projects, as he always does, confidence and strength. He looked good, he sounded good. I thought Tom did a really, really good job with the interview. You would not know, and I think Tom was trying to say some of these things. You would not know that some of the polling and some of the elections in the last few suggests that everyone's not feeling all of the President's positivity and all of his, the confidence he feels about the economy. I hope the second and third quarter of the, of this year that all the things that are to come from the President's spending bill, he calls it the big beautiful bill, that it begins to spread all across the country and spread to middle class Americans and hardworking Americans trying to graduate into the middle class. But all the polling right now, again, I don't, I don't think polling today suggests where we're going to be in November. But you're fooled to overread polls today and you're even dumber to not look at the polls and say, maybe we should learn something from this. And the best poll we have are elections. And we had an election in November and just won just a few days ago. And the country is voting on the issue of their wallets and affordability. And I pray the President focuses on this more because if he does, he's right. Every American wins. If he finds his way on Mount Rushmore, that means the country will be flush in opportunity, flush in cash, schools will be better, crime will be down and frankly, Russia and China will be muted. And I want that.
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Emily Campagno
And Dana, how big of a deal was it that he did this? Or in contrast to his.
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Dana Perino
Yeah, I mean, the first thing that I thought was that Biden didn't do the super bowl interview two of his four years. And it is the best opportunity because people who would tune into President Trump, let's say, let's, he's giving a speech on a Wednesday at 2:00'. Clock. If you watch Fox News, you're going to see that speech and you will have heard a lot of it. This speech, I'm sorry, this interview will be just so much larger in terms of you'll have that audience that always sees you and then a brand new audience, people who also understand that President Trump knows sports and culture probably better than any recent president. And so he had a unique audience to talk to. And he was just basically, I know we're in football season. I was going to say hitting home runs, making touchdowns. When he talked about Minnesota, he had a tone and a flavor and an answer that said, yes, we're making some changes. And we are also doing it because here's the principle by which I am guiding these decisions, which is that the border was open for too long, for four years, and we have to do something about it. So I think that because he dominates the conversation, he will get a mega rating and it will be to a broader audience. And it just shows that when you have a president pass up this opportunity and then them tell you that Joe Biden is running circles behind the scenes at the White House and he's more energetic than ever, don't believe them. That interview is the smartest one to do. Greg?
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Jesse Waters
Yes.
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Emily Campagno
What are your thoughts?
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Greg Gutfeld
My thoughts? Thank you. I think the polls that you mentioned are the price that you pay for tough decisions. There was a Marist poll that said something like 65% of the public think Trump went too far with ICE actions, which you have to ask, like, how can you go too far deporting child rapists? How does public opinion end up reflecting that? And you know, of course, the environment, you know, the media, the Democrat that the extreme left of the Democrats created an environment for conflict and chaos, and the media swallowed it up. The second part, you know, ICE is a lot like tariffs. Trump always takes the toughest position, but he never picks a position that he can't dial back. And that goes hand in hand. I would call it extreme flexibility. Dana, you're aware of that. I've seen you in Pilates. Dems always, Dems are always doing irreversible things. You know what I mean? Destroying cities, chopping off breasts of kids. Can't go back from that. But in this case, Trump, if Trump had gone like only 50% intensity on deporting child rapists, they'd still be screaming at him. It would be the same. So instead he just goes, I will take go as far as I can, and then I will dial back to a position that I'm really happy with, which could be 75%. And the media and the Democrats think that they actually won. And it's A face saving maneuver for them while he gets what he needs. I still love the fact that the Dems think they won with getting Tom Homan. I mean, can't ask for a better outcome.
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Emily Campagno
Jesse, I'm not making an analogy to this, but a lot of independent voters or unique viewers that hadn't seen too much of President Trump, they saw his reaction after Butler and, you know, fight and getting up and that strength.
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Dana Perino
It.
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Emily Campagno
A lot of people were moved to support him out of sheer respect and admiration for that situation under pressure. And the question is, so in this unique audience, will it sway a lot of people who might have been bombarded by sort of alarmist headlines from the left, but then see someone who is. Has a great stamina and is very engaging and talks eloquently and smartly about all of these topics that other people have been trying to spin for them.
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Jesse Waters
If the press calls you a crazy dictator and you go out and sit down in a relaxed, cool, conversational interview with the network, it just blows the whole thing up. And I would remind people I almost died. I would lean into that and I would say, God, put me here. I wasn't supposed to be here. So just let me do my thing. I have to take issue with Harold Ford Jr. Yes, we have Lincoln. Yes, we have Washington. I don't know if you know this, but Newt Gingrich has now ranked Donald Trump third of all time greatest presidents. Did you not know that?
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Harold Ford Jr.
I didn't know that.
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Jesse Waters
Okay.
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Harold Ford Jr.
I disagree with him.
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Jesse Waters
Okay. I'm just saying that's out there. And he's a historian. He wrote a book about if the south had won the Civil War.
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Greg Gutfeld
Wow.
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Harold Ford Jr.
I'd be sitting here with you, I guess.
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Jesse Waters
Oh my gosh. No offense, Errol. Scott Pelley. This is what Scott Pelley asked Joe Biden at one of these sit down network interviews. You're in pretty good shape, huh?
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Greg Gutfeld
That's a question.
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Jesse Waters
How about this one from Pelly? You've had a string of legislative successes recently. How'd an old man do it? I mean, so like to go from that and then to go from this. It's just, it's night and day. It's like following Greg out of the locker room. I mean, it's just, it's an easy comparison. That's what you want.
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Greg Gutfeld
What does that mean?
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Jesse Waters
You know what that means?
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Greg Gutfeld
I have no idea.
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Dana Perino
I don't know what that means.
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Jesse Waters
Yeah, I'll explain it to you in the brick. And how could you not invite me to Pilates, Dana?
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Emily Campagno
All right, guys, coming up Lord help us. Kamala is revamping her brat army.
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Jesse Waters
Smoking on his cigarette, listening to his car cassette.
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Greg Gutfeld
Yeah, Mamala's online army is getting a reboot. The failed Veep is reviving her dormant Kamala HQ troll account on X, which is owned by Elon Musk.
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Emily Campagno
Madam Vice President, what's going on with Kamala hq?
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Dana Perino
Well, I'm so glad you asked. I have good news. So Kamala HQ is turning into headquarters, and it's where you can go online to get basically the latest of what's going on and also to meet and revisit with some of our great courageous leaders, be they elected leaders, community leaders, civic leaders, faith leaders, young leaders. I'm really excited about it. So stay engaged and I'll see you out there.
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Greg Gutfeld
Yeah, we'll be there. The new account has the handle Headquarters67 branded as a Gen Z led progressive content hub. And it looks like the bratty Kamala Stavers have been busy crap posting all day. Emily, you seem right, like the person I should ask about. This seems pretty thirsty. The headquarter is 67 a desperate ploy to remain relevant.
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Emily Campagno
Totally. So I saw this immediately as her response to Newsom, who has been naturally prolific, albeit totally annoying in being everywhere. And she's like, we have to get out there too. But it also reminds me of like, you know, when rich people or successful people spouses launch businesses.
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Jonathan Hunt
Yes.
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Emily Campagno
And they have all the startup capital. They don't actually have the substance.
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Greg Gutfeld
They write children's books.
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Jesse Waters
Speaking of.
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Emily Campagno
Anyway, so what's my point? You distracted me. Oh, yeah. So it's like. It's like Elizabeth Holmes Theranos, like all smoke and mirrors. And then there's nothing behind it. There's nothing behind their digital messaging platform operation that, you know, Lala. And then also reminded me of Meghan Markle's jam launch, whatever, the Riviera Lala, where it was like, oh, my gosh, it's so incredible. And everyone's on board. But then really, they didn't sell anything. Like, there's nothing behind the facade. It's like a wild west movie.
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Greg Gutfeld
It's like those dress boutiques in small towns where they have a second home and they gotta keep her busy so the guy can have an affair out. Let's throw some money, get a little dress boutique. No one wants to wear those flowy gowns.
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Dana Perino
This is actually true.
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Jonathan Hunt
Yeah.
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Greg Gutfeld
It's like poor Charles from All My Children. Remember that. So, Harold, you know, is Kamala counting on the American public to suffer the same kind of Blackout she had, you know where. She has no memory of 2020-2024. She doesn't seem to remember and she assumes we don't either.
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Harold Ford Jr.
Look, I think she has to understand, and Democrats have to understand that for Democrats to be successful this year and two years from now, her or anybody, we've got to become the party of ideas again. I would take a page out of what people have done over the last three or four or five months. Democrats who've won elections at the state level, the local level, and even some of the federal special races. I think one of the things you'll find is that they're focused on how to make working Americans lives better. How do you make groceries and health care and housing more affordable? How do you make education more accessible for every American? In a time in which AI continues to dominate the stock market, meaning the investing that companies are making, which is driving up asset prices, which is a good thing in some ways. But how do we acclimate and transition today's workers and tomorrow's workers to be able to thrive and flourish in that market? When you begin talking about those things, I think voters will pay attention even more and they might even. I don't even understand, which. I mean, you were great. I don't understand what the comma HQ thing means. I do know that voters will understand if you explain how you're going to reduce the price of things that they need the most.
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Greg Gutfeld
Maybe HQ stands for Jose Cuervo Bad.
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Dana Perino
I mean, that would be like a good, like, alter ego.
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Greg Gutfeld
Yeah.
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Dana Perino
Also like that. She put 67. 6. 7 in. As if the parents who are actually of legal age to vote aren't so sick of that. Yeah, she's trying to get the votes of an 8 year old. I mean, that's preposterous. I feel that every time you see her, she's living on November 4th. Like every day she wakes up and it's November 4th because she learns nothing from losing the election.
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Greg Gutfeld
Yeah, no, it's true.
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Dana Perino
She does the same thing over and over again. I was gonna use the Shark Tank example that she, like, shows up with the no product and they're like, I think we're gonna pass.
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Greg Gutfeld
Yeah, I'm out. I don't know much about morons, so I'm out. Jesse, you know, America is the land of second chances. You're proof of that.
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Jesse Waters
Am I?
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Greg Gutfeld
Yes.
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Jesse Waters
Already?
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Harold Ford Jr.
Yes.
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Jesse Waters
I feel like I'm gonna screw up soon. Then I'll need it.
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Greg Gutfeld
But I mean, is there a question? Hasn't she yet? Hasn't she worn out her welcome. Shouldn't.
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Jesse Waters
She doesn't see it.
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Greg Gutfeld
She should be hosting Celebrity Family Feud.
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Jesse Waters
That'd be a step up. That's a good show. Who's that? Steve Harm?
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Greg Gutfeld
Who knows?
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Jesse Waters
It's Steve Harvey.
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Harold Ford Jr.
Greg.
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Greg Gutfeld
I don't know what Greg.
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Jesse Waters
Don't say it.
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Greg Gutfeld
Hosts all look alike to me.
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Harold Ford Jr.
Do favor. Oh, man.
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Jesse Waters
So remember in the DNC she teased that Beyonce was coming.
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Greg Gutfeld
Yes.
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Jesse Waters
And then you're like, beyonce's coming. And all of our interns were like, beyonce. And then she doesn't show up. This is how I felt. It was this big announcement and then she lets you down. She's running, obviously, but why don't we know what she feels about. As you said, what's going on? She was the AI Czar. We have seen so much action in AI in the last year and she hasn't said anything. She hasn't even said anything. She hasn't even had a meeting with any of these guys. What are you doing there? Also, again, Dana's making all these points. I hate to piggyback, but it's easy cuz you're short. Her tone is always the same. It's always like this. Like Savannah Guthrie's mom is missing and she's like, why? Why are you always so tone deaf? Not everything is like so fun and happy. Like, just be real for once. Be like the way you are with Doug's around. Yeah, well, not like that, but you know what I mean.
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Greg Gutfeld
Jesse tells you to be real, you're in trouble. Nothing real about that guy at all. No, I'm kidding.
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Jesse Waters
I hate you.
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Greg Gutfeld
All right, coming up, Scott Besant keeping his cool while Mad Maxine acts a fool.
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Jesse Waters
President Trump's silent assassin, Treasury Secretary Scott Bessant keeping his cool during a heated congressional hearing on the economy. Not letting Mad Maxine waters no relation get the best of him. Reclaiming my time was a mass immigration.
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Harold Ford Jr.
Mr.
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Jesse Waters
Chair, we let in him.
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Jonathan Hunt
No.
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Jesse Waters
Tom does belong to the housing.
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Harold Ford Jr.
California 10 and 20 million immigrants. Can you show the housing housing stock.
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Greg Gutfeld
Of working Americans and can you maintain some level of dignity?
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Jesse Waters
General Laban's time has expired. No, my time has not expired.
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Greg Gutfeld
And I'm asking you to do your responsibility as Secretary of the Treasury.
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Jesse Waters
Stop covering for the President. Yeah, well, stop being his flunky. Work for the American people. Don't be a cover up for a mob. Dana, what did you think of that?
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Dana Perino
Well, first of all, if I were going to a hearing where I thought I was going to be adversarial with somebody smarter Than me. I would prepare, prepare. And I would also maybe be deferential a little bit and say, you tell me, sir. But I think this is also what happens when you do not have better ideas than your opponents. So what they'd like to do is show that we're really tough and we're going to be able to shout them down. And look at Kamala Harris. We just did that segment they have now basically a trolling site. There's nothing in there. Harold's been saying, well, what are we saying about housing? How are we going to address electricity prices in AI data centers? What are we doing about tax policy and regulations in the, in the age of AI? There's none of that. So what they have to go against somebody as smart as Besant is just basically yelling at him. And if I were them, I would maybe I might have even faked sick day.
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Jesse Waters
You would never do that, Dana. You're too honest. Greg, on the other hand, to watch.
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Dana Perino
You know, what was it? Price is Right? That was on in the morning.
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Emily Campagno
I remember my sister was on that.
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Greg Gutfeld
This is so racist. Two black people attacking a gay white man. I mean, I'm gonna point it out. Since when like, did demanding a yes or no answer after like a five minute ad hominen attack become like the hearing? Because that's what it is. And it makes the inquisition look so comical because it's the opposite of truth seeking. It's like you get nothing out of it except you feel a little nauseous and it might be funny. It's like you're being interrogated by a protester with three cats and adhd. This is where paid agitators and the Democrats become inseparable because there's this like non conscious thinking. You know, they're focused on a simple act at the expense of dialogue or debate or nuance. They're like meter, like, they're like meter maids. They never look up from the pad and you could say whatever you want, they're not done. They're going to do it. And it wouldn't work in any real conversation. It's like take an ICE agent who has to perform a number of functions simultaneously, but the agitator only has one function, and it's very simple. It's just to interfere. Interfere, interfere. That's what you see in the hearing. They only have to do one thing. But Besson has to handle subjects like the economy, tariffs, interest rates. They just have to scream, Harold.
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Jesse Waters
The Republicans never treat their Democrat guests like this, do they?
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Harold Ford Jr.
They have no. We've Reached lows. This is not a good day for our government for people to watch the kind of hostility between Ms. Waters and Mr. Bessant. I served in Congress, and when people would come before the committee, they were our guests, and we were exercising oversight or exercising our authorizing abilities, which didn't lead to the Appropriations Committee funding these things. This was essentially an oversight hearing. And I do think when you come to Congress, you, you know, we couldn't. Congress couldn't go to the White House and behave this way or go to a cabinet should say an agency and behave this way in front of the agency, even though the Congress funds those agencies because that's their responsibility. Both sides should take a step back. And I know things are a little heated, but this is not. This is not how you fix problems. They're going to be political and for that matter, substantive policy differences on the approach we should take for taxes, for education, for how we lower inflation, and that's fine. Even how we prosecute and fight wars. But the American people deserve a lot better than what we saw. And I blame both sides for what happened.
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Greg Gutfeld
You can't blame both sides, Harold. You cannot. I refuse to.
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Dana Perino
No.
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Greg Gutfeld
You know, but you're right. You said you don't solve problems that way. The premise is not to solve problems.
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Harold Ford Jr.
You don't, but you don't. When you come before the Congress. You don't over talk a member of Congress. I couldn't go to his agency and over talk him. Now, this is nothing that Scott Besson. I know, and I like him, but I just think both were wrong. And I thought the way that one or two of the congressmen yelled at him, it just doesn'. Tit doesn't bode well for what I think you and I both can agree on. We both want to solve problems. We may differ on how to do it, but we want to solve problems. And you can't do it that way.
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Jesse Waters
You know how they used to solve problems? They used to go out drinking.
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Greg Gutfeld
I thought you made that.
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Emily Campagno
Out back. Okay, so obviously you are the exception, Harold, because you are perfect in every way. However, I did a deep dive into, like, why. Why has it devolved? Why is it horrific? Why is it so. What's the word? Like, so put off, whatever. And in the 90s, it was apparently sharp but restrained. And when people would say horrific things, they would be punished accordingly. And power flowed through committee seniority. It didn't flow through, you know, your media clips. And then what happened? Television cameras. And so all of a sudden, there was this slow Shift where people started becoming theatrical. And then what happened? Social media. And that is when people became downright horrendous. And it's all about rage, fundraising, and it's the theatrics of reclaiming my time. And they're shouting and they're reading from their papers and they're talking over each other and they are being so beyond disrespectful. The rhetoric to be patently unacceptable. And it used to be, you know, you embarrassed the institution and now it's, oh yeah, you owned the other side. So somewhere along the line, they started playing for the dopamine and the clicks. And you know what the proof is in that clip right there. It was all empty chairs. Yeah, there was nobody in that room but the person shouting and besant. And then all the empty chairs, but all the eyeballs on the viral clips on social media.
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Dana Perino
So you blame C Span.
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Greg Gutfeld
You know what? Only five can do that. Not them.
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Jesse Waters
Only you can point and yell at Jessica. Yes, the fastest is up next.
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Harold Ford Jr.
Welcome back. Is this Congress or yoga studio? California representative Jared Huffman was letting his dogs out walking around the house floor barefoot. Gotta put your shoes on, my man. To honor Bob Weir, the late Grateful Dead co founder, as somebody that served on that floor. I don't think you're going that floor barefoot. What are your thoughts about this, Prime Tom?
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Jesse Waters
Yeah, I don't agree with this. I've seen Tyrus recently on our floor up here walking around. Very inappropriate.
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Jonathan Hunt
Have you guys noticed this?
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Jesse Waters
Gym shorts, flip flops, T shirts. Yeah, like you guys got it. I'm looking at you too, Emily. You, you've been really dressing down. You're in a place of work.
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Emily Campagno
Shut your mouth, Jesse Butters.
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Jesse Waters
Whatever professional environment you have to represent.
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Dana Perino
I object.
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Harold Ford Jr.
More appropriate.
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Dana Perino
Never here. When do you.
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Emily Campagno
I'm gonna see. You don't see me.
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Jesse Waters
I see it when I get in at 4:45.
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Harold Ford Jr.
Your name was invoked.
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Emily Campagno
First of all, I strenuously object. Jesse Waters. You can't just start slinging spades over here. Secondly, what I was gonna say is that he could have made his point symbolically without actually letting the dogs out and seeing the poor like stenographer next door who's like 95 years old. And she was like, what the heck is sort of funny. But also, I don't like, I take my shoes off at my house and I take my shoes off in the office if I've been outside because the streets are disgusting. So in the office, I always wear different shoes than I have worn outside.
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Jesse Waters
Thanks, Mandani.
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Harold Ford Jr.
Mr. Exclamation Point. Your thoughts on this.
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Greg Gutfeld
So the congressman went barefoot because Bob Weir died. I think we should be grateful that a well known porn star hadn't died.
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Dana Perino
Goodness.
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Harold Ford Jr.
Tyrus just sent me a note for you. I'll share in a break.
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Dana Perino
Yeah, yeah.
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Jesse Waters
What are your thoughts?
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Dana Perino
I think Tyrus absolutely appropriately every day. My only thing is, don't wear Uggs at the office. It shows that you don't care.
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Jesse Waters
Ooh, I like that rule.
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Dana Perino
We'll get promoted that week.
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Jonathan Hunt
I like that.
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Greg Gutfeld
That was his point.
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Jesse Waters
How do you get promoted here?
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Dana Perino
I have no authority to promote anybody. So who. I don't even know what I'm talking about.
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Emily Campagno
Me and Tyrus have the bone to pick, Bob.
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Harold Ford Jr.
Weird was pretty good. Let's just. So one more thing is up.
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Dana Perino
All right, it's time for one more thing. I got one here. 11 year old Mikayla Hopkins. She got this amazing opportunity to be the handler for a best in breed round for the Vizslas at the Westminster Dog Show. I believe that dog's name was Sunny. I believe so. She is fighting cancer and she's doing a great job. And she had this opportunity and I gotta say, the Vizsla looked really good. It got robbed once again for best in Penny.
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Emily Campagno
Deserved it.
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Dana Perino
I mean, she was all right. I'm kidding. She was great. Did you see her posture? It was amazing. Anyway, good job, Mikayla. Greg.
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Greg Gutfeld
All right, tonight we got a great show. Some broad name. Emily, Adam Hunter, Charles Payne and Tyrus. Hey, let's do this sexy polar bear news with Brit Hume. Why don't we go over to the Oregon Zoo, check out Kallik. There she is, beautiful white fur, balancing a cone on her nose. I often watch Geraldo do that in the men's room. This is something that would no doubt impress the lovely Molly Hemingway. Yes, that is it for me.
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Dana Perino
All right, Jesse.
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Jesse Waters
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Harold Ford Jr.
Mmm.
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Greg Gutfeld
This is fantastic.
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Jesse Waters
Greg, get your hands off those things. Lounge pants, bandana. You could use it on a dog. Other fun goodies include teddy bears, scented candles, pillows, and much, much more. Shop.foxnews.com tonight. Happy DEI Thursday.
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Dana Perino
All right, Harold.
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Harold Ford Jr.
A Notre Dame student built snow and ice into a chapel. More than 2,000 students showed up for mass. It was a great moment of faith and communion and worship. God bless those kids.
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Dana Perino
Absolutely beau.
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Greg Gutfeld
Now you're pro ice.
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Dana Perino
Okay.
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Jesse Waters
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Greg Gutfeld
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