Brown University Manhunt Ends With Suspect Found Dead

Summary

Podcast Summary: The Five – “Brown University Manhunt Ends With Suspect Found Dead”

Date: December 19, 2025
Host & Panel: Joey Jones (host), Jessica Tarlov, Jesse Watters, Emily Compagno, Tyrus, Brett Baer
Podcast: The Five (FOX News Podcasts)
Episode Theme:
A panel breakdown and debate on three major stories: the Brown University shooting manhunt and its aftermath, the DNC’s refusal to release its autopsy report on Democratic Party election losses, and a massive fraud scandal in Minnesota. The episode features sharp takes, pointed humor, and nuanced discussions of public safety, political transparency, and government accountability.

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1. Manhunt at Brown University: Suspect Found Dead

[00:36–13:22]

Main Points:

• The manhunt for the suspected Brown University gunman ended after six days, with the suspect found dead of a self-inflicted gunshot in a New Hampshire storage unit.
• The suspect: a Portuguese national, former Brown student, and believed responsible for killing an MIT professor in Massachusetts.
• Officials credited a tip from a homeless man—who posted details on Reddit—as critical to cracking the case; this raises issues about campus security and the effectiveness of university protocols.
• Significant criticism targeted Brown University’s security approach, particularly the lack of cameras and unlocked doors during exam week.
• The panel debated public communication, misinformation, and dangerous conspiracy theories that spread during the unfolding investigation.

Key Discussion Points:

• Law Enforcement Response and Community Tips

  • Authorities praised the Reddit tip, revealing gaps in their surveillance and public communication.
  • Joey Jones: "I hate that [the suspect] was found dead because you want to be able to question someone like this...But there's still more questions than answers on this whole thing." [03:14]
  • Jesse Watters: “Can you believe we have a lottery system for immigration?... That's not how you build the United States of America.” [07:47]

• Campus Security Flaws

  • Only two surveillance cameras outside the crime scene building; doors left unlocked for exams.
  • Critique of administrative statements downplaying the role of cameras and the safety risk.
  • Brett Baer remarks: "I think we're going to have to look back and say, you know, we don't know how this person got in." [02:50]

• Internet Conspiracies and Misinformation

  • Jessica Tarlov highlights the swirl of conspiracy theories and cautions against dangerous speculation:

    “We have to be very careful with the swirl that we put out online. Some very prominent accounts were tweeting things like this...this kind of stuff is incredibly dangerous.” [04:17]

  • Tyrus: “When you don't look at [conspiracies], they don't get out...We need to start leaving it where it is and stop falling for the labels.” [06:00]

• The Diversity Visa System and National Security

  • Panel critiques the randomness of the diversity visa lottery that reportedly let the suspect into the U.S.
  • Jesse Watters: “We spin a roulette wheel for minorities up. We're going to go with a guy in Portugal who got expelled from school.” [07:47]

• On Witnesses and Labels

  • Tyrus criticizes the branding of the witness as a "homeless man": "We are so focused on the label of the story or the label of the person...This person came forward, he saw something, he said something. He should be respected.” [06:30]

Notable Quotes:

• Joey Jones: “Brown University is the most surveilled college campus in the country when it comes to cameras per student. But this building is like this giant black hole of cameras.” [10:43]
• Emily Compagno: “This entire situation would be so hilarious if three people hadn't paid for it with their lives. Because it’s so absolutely ludicrous...” [11:17]

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2. DNC “Autopsy” Debate: Transparency vs. Political Fallout

[14:20–22:08]

Main Points:

• The DNC is refusing to release its internal “autopsy” report analyzing what went wrong in the recent Kamala Harris-led 2024 campaign.
• Some party voices demand transparency; leadership claims publicizing the failures would be “counterproductive.”
• The panel humorously draws parallels to sports and prior Republican behavior, discussing lessons lost and political self-preservation.

Key Discussion Points:

• Transparency and Accountability:

  • Obama-era "Pod Bros" and other Democratic figures call for releasing the report.
  • Jessica Tarlov: “I 100% think that it should be out there and I’d be one of those people that would read through it and try to take those learnings.” [16:14]
  • Joey Jones suggests Republicans benefit from the Democrats’ unwillingness to learn: “I think it only benefits Republicans for them to not release it because I don't want [Democrats] to learn anything.” [18:10]

• Comparisons and Metaphors:

  • Tyrus uses sports analogies to stress that revisiting failures is painful: “You think the Atlanta Falcons want to go back and talk about the Super Bowl they almost won?” [19:31]
  • Brett Baer provides historical perspective: “This just shows me that the Democrats…would always prefer to be right in their own name than to be actually right.” [20:42]

Notable Quotes:

• Jessica Tarlov: “I wish that they had released it. I don't think you can give a slew of interviews saying, we need this, we need this...and then tell people it’s okay, it’s going to be fine.” [16:14]
• Brett Baer: “They are digging in their heels…we’re learning from our mistakes, but we don’t want to admit it to you guys. That level of hubris wrapped up in Kamala and Biden, that’s exactly what we’re seeing right now.” [20:42]

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3. Minnesota Fraud Scandal: Accountability and Broader Implications

[23:28–32:15]

Main Points:

• Massive Medicaid and welfare fraud in Minnesota: $9–$18 billion allegedly stolen under Governor Tim Walz’s watch, with charges involving a Somali-run home care agency.
• The governor is accused of failing to notice or act on the fraud and deflecting blame onto others—including former presidents.
• The scandal sparks debate about corruption, immigration policy, accountability, and the efficacy of state and federal oversight.

Key Discussion Points:

• Scope and Impact:

  • Tyrus: “The magnitude of the fraud in Minnesota cannot be overstated...it’s eroded our sense of collective statewide self-esteem and confidence.” [23:58]
  • Jesse Watters: “$9 billion is gone. Just gone. That's like more than 10% of your budget. And he had no idea?” [25:15]

• Political and Social Reactions:

  • Panelists mock Governor Walz’s excuses and argue he should resign out of “sheer embarrassment.”
  • Tyrus: “How do you not resign? This has nothing to do with Democrat Republic…all of the ‘they're targeting us’—yeah, they should be. Somebody stole $9 billion.” [27:34]

• Immigration and Integration Concerns:

  • Joey Jones: “You don't start importing those people, you know, haphazardly, even if you're vetting them. That's just not a good thing to do.” [31:10]
  • Jessica Tarlov condemns the exploitation of social services, especially at the height of COVID-19: “Just so deeply un-American and disgusting.” [29:00]

• Systemic Problems:

  • Fraud tourism: Individuals traveling to Minnesota knowing they could exploit generous state programs.
  • Racism allegations used as a shield by perpetrators to dissuade investigation.

Notable Quotes:

• Tyrus: “I think these guys, they keep him [the governor] in the shadows…he talks about stuff and tampons instead of checking everybody's wallet for stuff. Stolen tax funds. It's pathetic.” [27:55]
• Joey Jones: “The useful idiot? That's his defense. This guy wanted to be the Vice President...his best defense is he was too bad at his job to know about it. Spare me.” [31:52]

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4. Kiss Cam Scandal Fallout and Other Lighter Segments

[33:12–36:33]

Main Points:

• The “Coldplay Kiss Cam” HR executive speaks out, admitting a mistake after being caught on camera with her married boss—leading to severe personal and career consequences.
• Panelists discuss modern public shaming, social media impact, and standards of accountability.
  • Tyrus: “I think the punishment has way over, way over the crime here. Like, listen, it’s ironic she was HR.” [33:47]
  • Brett Baer: “The fact that she's explaining away what is actually a hideous betrayal and thinks that I'm supposed to be like, oh my gosh, I feel so bad for you. I don't feel bad for her at all.” [35:30]

Notable Quotes:

• Jesse Watters: “I love the word canoodling. I like to say it. I like to do it. Canoodling is such a fresh and beautiful experience. More people should canoodle.” [35:44]
• Joey Jones: “The morality of it is between four people and four people only… The hypocrisy of it is because she was an HR professional and that was her boss and that's why she lost her job.” [36:06]

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5. Fan Mail Friday & “One More Thing”

[37:19–41:53]

Main Points:

• The panel answers rapid-fire fan questions with humor and personality, invoking favorite movie lines, embarrassing confessions, and nostalgic TV shows.
• “One More Thing” shares panelists’ personal celebrations and amusing stories—a mix of family pride, shout-outs to events, and lighthearted moments.
  • Tyrus: “My beautiful daughter Georgie…went to Wellington International and my daughter…won an incredible first and third place with her amazing horses Chi Chi…” [39:56]

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Memorable Moments & Quotes (with Timestamps):

• On internet rumors about the Brown shooter:

  Jessica Tarlov: "We have to be very careful with the swirl that we put online... this kind of stuff is incredibly dangerous." [04:17]

• On randomness of diversity visa lotteries:

  Jesse Watters: “We spin a roulette wheel...That's not how you build the United States of America.” [07:47]

• On Brown's campus surveillance:

  Joey Jones: "Brown University is the most surveilled college campus in the country...but this building is like this giant black hole of cameras." [10:43]

• On the DNC hiding mistakes:

  Tyrus: “Some of the worst behind whoopings of your life, you don’t sit down and break out the...Let’s watch the video of when mom left dad at Christmas for his uncle...” [19:31]

• On the breaking fraud scandal:

  Tyrus: “Nine boxes of cookies come up missing [from the Girl Scouts], I would probably step down...I'd probably be under investigation. Those s' mores are delicious. But I digress. The point is…$9 billion is missing. And oh, Tim.” [27:34]

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Conclusion:

This episode of The Five blends serious reflection on public safety and institutional trust with spirited, at times irreverent, debate on government accountability. The panel's diverse viewpoints—rooted in humor, policy critique, and real-world anecdotes—provide listeners with a comprehensive, if polemical, take on the week's most urgent headlines, tempered by lighter moments and audience interaction.

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End of Summary

Transcript

[Brett Baer]

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[Joey Jones]

Hey everybody, I'm joey jones along with jessica tarlov, jesse waters, emily campagno and tyrus. It's five o' clock in new york city. This is the five. The hunt is finally over. After six agonizing days and numerous screw ups, the suspected Brown University gunman found dead on a self inflicted gunshot wound. His body was located in a storage unit in Salem, New Hampshire. The suspect is a former Brown student and Portuguese national. Police also believe he's responsible for the cold blooded murder of an MIT professor found dead in his home Monday in Massachusetts. Officials in Providence patting themselves on the.

[Jesse Waters]

Back, we got him. It was because of the information provided.

[Tyrus]

To us by neighbors and the tireless work of our Providence Police Department, the.

[Jesse Waters]

Rhode Island State Police, the FBI, the atf, and many other federal partners.

[Tyrus]

We all worked well together to be able to identify this suspect.

[Joey Jones]

I'll tell you that. I'm extremely proud of this department.

[Tyrus]

The teams worked really hard.

[Joey Jones]

Yeah. Those officials crediting a Reddit post from a homeless man, the second person that they were looking for, with cracking the case wide open.

[Jesse Waters]

I'm hearing from sources that the person that identified the shooter happened to be a homeless person that either lived around or inside that Barristan Holly building.

[Tyrus]

He was as outstanding a witness as I've seen and he deserves a lot of credit.

[Joey Jones]

It looks like he posted on Reddit on Monday. We received the tip about that post and immediately acted on it.

[Jesse Waters]

We knew about what was on Reddit, but we didn't know who that person was. That's why when we identified another person.

[Tyrus]

We didn't know when that person came forward that he was the Reddit poster and he blew this case right open. He blew it open.

[Joey Jones]

Yeah. Might be they just got lucky because their security protocols, not so much. We're now learning that there were only two surveillance cameras on the outside of the building where the shooting took place. And the university's president, well, she says the doors were unlocked.

[Brett Baer]

I think we're going to have to look back and say, you know, we don't know how this person got in.

[Tyrus]

We don't know when they came in. We do know that the building was.

[Brett Baer]

Unlocked that day for exams, and that's something we're going to have to look into. We'll look at everything that is done, but I do not think a lack of cameras in that building had anything to do with what happened there.

[Joey Jones]

Jessica, I think we can all be, you know, breathe a sigh of relief that this person was found. I hate that he was found dead because you want to be able to question someone like this and you want to see him face justice. It's the coward's way out to do that. But there's still more questions than answers on this whole thing. I mean, I don't think you have to be conservative or liberal to say Brown University doesn't look like a safe place to be right now.

[Jessica Tarlov]

No. It was really interesting to me in the couple of days right after how they kept saying that it wasn't unsafe for the students to remain there, even though the guy was at large. Like, I would have been the first mom in the pickup line.

[Joey Jones]

Yeah.

[Jessica Tarlov]

I was like, get in. Get it right now. And I might have brought security with me to get my kid from the dorm into the car. The that no more security cameras could have helped. I tend to think more cameras are better. Maybe you would have had a different angle on something. This is not how anyone expected this to end, though. That this story about a Portuguese national who knew the MIT professor when he was in school back in Portugal went to Brown as well. Like a physics revenge acts to grind is a very strange line in all of this. But I just wanted to say something about the conspiracy theories that existed online during all of this, which, I mean, blowing my mind. Like, the killer didn't shout Allah Akbar. That was one. Killer didn't target Ella Cook, the Republican who was murdered. Killer didn't target that class because of a Jewish professor. The killer wasn't trans. The killer wasn't that Muslim Palestinian student who's doxed that Brown had to take them off their website and the MIT professor wasn't Jewish or hadn't made pro Israel statements. We have to be very careful with the swirl that we put out online. Some very prominent accounts were tweeting things like this. And I understand it was upsetting. It took. It felt like it was taking forever and the police were not doing a good job communicating with us. But this kind of stuff is incredibly dangerous.

[Joey Jones]

You know, I don't disagree with you to point that out. I really don't. I get exactly what you're. Where you're Coming from. But, Tyrus, you only fill a vacuum if a vacuum is left open. And everything she points out, are tied to issues that we see other atrocities committed almost every day. Look no further than Australia and other things that have happened in this country. So people aren't going there to be hateful. They're going there because they're having to figure things out for themselves because they. These officials, either weren't letting anything out or they weren't doing a good job at positioning themselves and telling the public we're on this.

[Tyrus]

No, but. And Jessica brings up a really interesting point that kind of bothers me. We are so focused on the label of the story or the label of the person. We had to tell everybody that it was a homeless man. It used to just be an eyewitness. It was an eyewitness, a person who stepped forward. But you have to say homeless man, because that way. Well, I guess that favors Democrats because they're in favor of homeless people. And if you don't have homeless people, we wouldn't have solved this murder. Like, they try to connect things that don't need to be connected. His name would have been fine. Maybe he didn't want to brag about being homeless. Maybe he was in between jobs. Maybe he was in between relationships. But this is what we do. We start putting the titles and everything. And they were so quick because social media, you said, you know, all the conspiracy theories. The funny thing is, when you don't look at it, they don't get out. I purposely did not look at one story on social media about this. And guess what? Not one person today stopped me in the hallway to talk about the conspiracy theory. So we need to leave a lot of this stuff and not re tweet it, rebroadcast it, or bring it up. We need to start leaving it where it is and stop falling for the labels. Why do we have to call. This person came forward, he saw something, he said something. He should be respected. If there's a reward, he should get it. But letting everyone know that he's down on his luck or he's homeless or whatever his situation is, I don't see how that helps anyone.

[Joey Jones]

You know, Jesse, the one thing we did learn about the shooter is that he came over and he got legal residency here from this diversity visa lottery. 130,000 people were selected last year, apparently pretty much at random. So they're not sending their best and brightest. But we're not picking the best and brightest either. By the hundreds of thousands we've had other terrorists Come over and get residency through that. The 2017 incident at Halloween where they drove. That dude drove a car through people here. So it's like, you know, President Trump tried to halt it, then wasn't able to or wasn't able to finish the deal on that. So now he's halting it again. I'm sure he'll be challenged, but, you know, immigration definitely plays a role in this.

[Jesse Waters]

Can you believe we have a lottery system for immigration? Yeah, it's like we spin a roulette wheel for minorities up. We're going to go with a guy in Portugal who got expelled from school.

[Joey Jones]

Come on in.

[Jesse Waters]

Welcome to America. This is not how you build a football team, how you hire for a company, how you do anything. You don't close your eyes and throw a dart at the wall and hit a resume. That's not how you build it. And that's definitely not how you build the United States of America. You know, Jessica brings up conspiracy theories. The police arrested the wrong guy. So that was a theory that was wrong. They arrested a white veteran, and it set the investigation back hours. People get things wrong. They have theories, Sometimes they pan out, sometimes they don't. I don't think you should be blaming people online who are trying to find the killer. And a lot of this stuff that were being yelled at because the people were yelling at the public stop, Guess where they got the tip? Online. Someone wrote a thing on Reddit and everyone's like, oh, it's a good spin.

[Jessica Tarlov]

But then they called the FBI line. They weren't tweeting, like, there, it's the Palestinian kid.

[Jesse Waters]

Or it's a transform trying to solve the case. It's okay.

[Jessica Tarlov]

Nancy Drew's everywhere.

[Jesse Waters]

Okay, you're going to get mad at someone online who's trying to find a killer. If they had actually caught the guy, maybe the MIT professor would still be alive. All right, relax over there. So this guy we know now is arrogant. I have a Portuguese guy on my staff. He translated some stuff. He was in the same class as this MIT professor in Portugal and got kicked out of school. No one liked him. So he comes here and goes to Brown, has a terrible experience at Brown, and then disappears for 25 years. We see addresses in Boston, Miami, and Vegas. And this guy at MIT was, like, on the cutting edge of nuclear fusion. So I think there's a jealousy factor here. He didn't like Brown, he didn't like this MIT professor, so he came out and did his duty. The homeless guy. Okay, the reason you're calling him the homeless guy is because he's living at the building where the shooting was. So let me ask you a question. Does Brown University know there's a homeless guy living on campus, or do they not know? So if they know and they didn't tell the cops, that's a problem because he would have been an eyewitness or they don't know. That's even worse. That means they have absolutely no, no security. And thank God for this guy. Apparently he's a genius. He went to Brown, didn't work out. He's having some problems, but he lives at the school. And the homeless guy provided better security than the $8 billion endowment and the entire campus security staff did. That says a lot.

[Joey Jones]

I mean, Emily, that's kind of the problem. I did some research last weekend sitting on the show, because big weekend show is a couple of hours long and Brown University is the most surveilled college campus in the country when it comes to cameras per student. But this building is like this giant black hole of cameras. So the president gets up there and what does she say? She goes, well, I don't think cameras were a problem because we ended up using cameras to find him. It's like, yeah, use people's ring doorbell and like a camera on like a parking ticket post like this. Not. These aren't the cameras that you guys paid for and put in.

[Brett Baer]

I mean, this entire situation would be so hilarious if three people hadn't paid for it with their lives. Because it is so absolutely ludicrous, so patently absurd for people like Brown University president and for the mayor and just all of those tragic individuals up there that clearly don't have a modicum of competence or any type of strength whatsoever. That said, you know what? We're going to meet this with the aggression it requires because two people are dead and then to find out and the third one is linked instead. They had the most low energy, lackadaisical approach. It's totally, by the way, with honors. We are lucky that the person living in the basement was an upstanding, wonderful human being who wanted to help find out and seek out why there was a random on campus. But what if he had been a perp? Because there's a lot of people that live here in New York City, a lot of our friends that encounter homeless psychos in their lobby, and they don't have that same outcome. So you're telling me that the president says, well, it's because of finals. The doors were unlocked. I remember in law school, I don't remember College, it was 100 years ago, but in law school, during finals week, everything was closed down even more otherwise normal attorneys, you know, admitted to the bar, you could come in and use the library. Finals week, it was students only. You had to show your ID for every single door to get in. So you're telling me now, when our kids are at stake, that being in finals somehow means all bets are off? People are searching for some type of justification for homicide.

[Jessica Tarlov]

Always.

[Brett Baer]

Why did they do this? Is this a goodwill hunting gone bad? You know, the two professors fight. There is zero justification for homicide anytime. Which means that when our kids and our peers and loved ones are in the care of professionals, we need to be able to trust that they do see the value of cameras as deterrence and as identification and armed security guards for both those things, et cetera. Because people are going to be crazy and do horrible things you can't predict. So you need to have a system and a structure in place to that will allow you to feel safe dropping off your child. Because now two families of children, of students and that MIT professors families, they are celebrating Christmas alone with an empty chair at the table.

[Joey Jones]

Yeah, I hope this homeless guy is a great guy. I don't know anything about him. I know that Kai the machete guy was good until he wasn't. So we don't know much about him and he shouldn't just be living on campus. All right, up next, what are they hiding? The DNC is not releasing its autopsy report on what went wrong for Kamala and the Democrats last election cycle.

[Jessica Tarlov]

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[Brett Baer]

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[Jessica Tarlov]

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[Tyrus]

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[Jesse Waters]

From the people who brought you the Biden cover up. The DNC spiking its autopsy report on what went wrong in the 24 election. Their chairman, a squirrely looking guy who goes by Ken, he ordered the autopsy months ago, but now says the release would be counterproductive for the party. But Ken, what changed? Remember when you said this? I do believe we need a post election review after every election and frankly I was a little disappointed we didn't have one after the 2020 election.

[Joey Jones]

What we don't know yet and we.

[Jesse Waters]

Won'T know for some time until we do that review and we get our hands on all the data is the how and why we lost ground. Kamala, 28 benefits greatly from the effort to bury her campaign's failures. If only she had more support from Team Joe.

[Tyrus]

Do you feel like that Joe Biden and his people did everything they could to help you win the election?

[Jessica Tarlov]

I write about that, as you know.

[Brett Baer]

And certainly I think we had.

[Tyrus]

We needed more time.

[Brett Baer]

And from certain places in the administration, we needed more support.

[Jesse Waters]

But the Obama Pod Bros say release the files.

[Tyrus]

Just hoarding this information, hiding stuff from people, it's not only, like, counterproductive, it also feeds the distrust people have of.

[Jesse Waters]

The Democratic Party, and they think it's a cabal.

[Tyrus]

And you know what? On days like this, I agree. Keeping a report secret here in the age of the Epstein files, what are we doing that's a good idea? Hey, this report that I've been talking about for the full year, we're. We're keeping it secret, and I'm letting everyone know. All right, DNC Chair Pam Bondi, what are we doing here?

[Jesse Waters]

Kim Jeffries.

[Tyrus]

You know what? Get us a discharge petition. Let's get this thing out. All right.

[Jesse Waters]

So, Jessica, this looks really bad. Why are they doing this?

[Jessica Tarlov]

I don't think it looks, like really bad. We know what's in the autopsy report, which is too much focus on culture war issues, identity politics. Should have differentiated yourself from Joe Biden, the trans adult that they them ad was the final nail in the proverbial coffin. Should have done more press. Should have gone and flown to Joe Rogan, whatever. But I wish that they had released it. I don't think you can give a slew of interviews saying, we need this, we need this, we need this, and then tell people it's okay, it's going to be fine. And it does seem like it benefits Kamala to do that, even though there are folks in her orbit who are in the Axios piece about it, who said that she didn't have anything to do with it. I will add, though, that there was no GOP autopsy after 2020, which probably is because Donald Trump was still saying that he won that election. But in 2022, there was an autopsy Georgia got leaked, and then Ronna McDaniel and the RNC spiked it, and they did not release the report. So there was a bit of precedent for it. But I 100% think that it should be out there, and I would be one of those people that would read through it and try to take those learnings and apply it to future elections so we don't lose again.

[Joey Jones]

What do you think? Georgia kind of said Donald Trump won the election today. By the way, Fulton county put something out there. They said they should not have counted a bunch of votes. Like, a bunch of votes.

[Jessica Tarlov]

Like 11,870.

[Joey Jones]

More than that, actually, which is what's crazy. President Trump, he just wanted 11,000, and they miscounted tens of thousands. So, anyway, listen, one of Pete Buttigieg's loyalists said, I suspect the reason why this isn't being released are precisely the reasons why. Why it should be released. And I have no idea what that means. So I thought, what are the reasons? Maybe the reasons are they don't want to acknowledge that Biden was a bad president, especially for the economy, that immigration mattered to people, even those that aren't bigots, that Harris was really bad at delivering a message. I mean, I think that's pretty unanimous. And maybe Trump is just more popular in this country than they'll ever want to admit. There are some, like, technical things they should look at. Is their grassroots campaigning good? Are they registering people to vote? We know that, like, you know, they're doing really good with dead people and illegals, but are they registering the actual voters to vote? We don't know that. Is Stacey Abrams going to be involved moving forward so she can show up to an apartment building, hand out some cheeseburgers and collect a bunch of votes? We don't know that. And we're not going to find out because they're not going to release this. I think it only benefits Republicans for them to not release it because I don't want the Democrat Party of Wisconsin or Michigan or Pennsylvania to learn anything. I don't want any of these states that used to be behind the blue wall or could be Southern blue states to have any kind of advantage. I want Republicans to win. I don't know that they're going to in the midterms, but I don't see a problem with it as a conservative for Democrats to hold close to vest all the mistakes that we know they made.

[Jesse Waters]

When I die, Tyrus, I would like an autopsy so they can study my brain.

[Tyrus]

Yeah. Because obviously I think that's a given.

[Jesse Waters]

Science needs to know your family will.

[Tyrus]

Benefit from the bidding war, from the museums and NASA and all the people trying to kick in to figure out what made him tick. You know what? I'm gonna side with the. With the COVID up.

[Jesse Waters]

Ken.

[Joey Jones]

Yes.

[Tyrus]

Listen, there's. Yeah. The man who calls themselves Kent. Listen, some of the worst behind whoopings of your life, you don't sit down and break out the, hey, let's watch the video of when mom Left dad at Christmas for his uncle. Let's break that video out. You know, let's. Let's show the time that I went into the dentist and. And came out with no teeth. Like no one wants to relive. Horrible. You think the Atlanta Falcons want to go back and talk about the Super Bowl? They almost won till Tom Brady showed up. Listen, I'm sorry I have to bring it up because do you want to. Would you like this weekend for us to break down and we could watch that game together?

[Joey Jones]

I'm good.

[Tyrus]

See? Oh, you're good. Because nobody wants to relive. We have literally all been unburdened. We have been unburdened by what has. And so therefore, the Democratic Party is going to further let us know it was so bad we never need to see it again. And that's all you need to know. The rotten tomatoes rating on the autopsy was negative zero.

[Jesse Waters]

I agreed with you guys until I heard you. And I don't know now.

[Brett Baer]

I mean, there is not an electrical vehicle accident without people looking at what happened so they can learn from it. This just shows me that the Democrats, clearly, to their detriment, would always prefer to be, like, right in their own name than to be actually right. They are digging in their heels. Nothing to see here. We're learning from our mistakes, but we don't want to admit to you guys that level of hubris wrapped up in Kamala and wrapped up in Biden, wrapped up in that whole party. That's exactly what we're seeing right now. I have three historical examples. Oh, oh, Space explosion Challenger. That horrific Michigan experience where all of those people died in the ICU from the tainted lines. And then United Airlines Flight 173. And my point is, when they did those post mortems after that were like, oh, my gosh, these were terrible. Thousands of people died. What happened? What was the commonality of all of those? That it embarrassed leadership. That it does suck to watch your team get totally blown out by officials that continue to favor Tom Brady. It does suck and is painful to watch how your party completely ignored half of America and what they wanted.

[Joey Jones]

Thanks for killing the movie.

[Jessica Tarlov]

But no one died. We just lost an election. Like, we're fine.

[Brett Baer]

I know, but it's your leadership. The point is, is preventing. Because they don't want to be embarrassed. They're preventing the opportunity to learn from. But to your point, why am I talking about.

[Jessica Tarlov]

I think if they want to be.

[Tyrus]

Re embarrassed also, I think that's the.

[Jessica Tarlov]

First time you made Jassy Cry like that was funny.

[Tyrus]

Because he knows that was funny.

[Jesse Waters]

I never changed my mind. But I did. Now this is a Fox News alert. Secretary of War Egseh announcing that America has struck Islamic State targets in Syria. Hegseth calling it a declaration of vengeance after two U.S. troops and a translator were killed in that country this past weekend. A senior US Official telling Jen Griffin the strike was massive. Took out more than 50 targets. Coming up next, the massive Somali fraud in Tampon Tim's backyard just got $9 billion worse.

[Joey Jones]

Thank God it's Christmas.

[Jesse Waters]

Thank God it's Christmas.

[Brett Baer]

Thank God the Trump administration. The administration is letting polluters poison our air and water and eliminating billions in clean energy funding. Earthjustice is meeting them with lawsuits. And so we need to scale up to fight back. Please donate to Earthjustice.

[Tyrus]

Today.

[Brett Baer]

Minnesota Governor Tim Walls has a lot to answer for because the fraud scandal rocking his state is getting worse by the day. A top prosecutor is suggesting that the total amount of fraud in Minnesota could be $9 billion or more. Six new indictments and one guilty plea were announced yesterday as federal agents executed a search warrant on Ultimate Home Health Services, a Somali owned home care agency. Here's the U.S. attorney from Minnesota on those charges.

[Joey Jones]

Watch.

[Tyrus]

The magnitude of the fraud in Minnesota cannot be overstated. Staggering amounts of money that have been lost. But it's not just about the money that's been stolen and wasted. This is a problem that's caused all of us to question what kind of state we live in. I think it's eroded our sense of collective statewide self esteem and confidence.

[Brett Baer]

Just how easy was it to game the system under Tim Walls? Prosecutors also charging two fraud tourists who allegedly traveled to Minnesota after a friend told them state programs were, quote, a good opportunity to make money. Governor Tim Walls claims he's taking accountability but then deflects to trash Trump.

[Tyrus]

It's very clear the entire federal government is weaponized against Minnesota and the issues of things that should be states rights, states to control. They're threatening us with this. And this is what happens when you have a floundering presidency and it is about those ballrooms. You didn't hear it the other night in a presidential address. This is on my watch. I am accountable for this. And more importantly, I am the one that will fix it. They're not interested in that. So they throw about these numbers.

[Brett Baer]

Jesse. Floundering. The only floundering happening is that state's budget and that governor. What is he talking about?

[Jesse Waters]

So it happened under his watch and so he's gonna Fix it. Usually that's not how it works. So the fraud started in 2018. He started as governor in 2018. And $9 billion is gone. Just gone, Just gone. And so his budget's $66 billion and 9 billion went poof. And he didn't notice. That's like more than 10% of your budget. And he had no idea. And this is who Kamala chose to be the second in line for the presidency. She's an idiot. He's an idiot. And the fact that he's blaming Trump tells you everything you need to know about the Democratic Party. It's never their fault. When people steal our money, it' your fault for finding out. And not only did they steal it and like use it to live like a quiet lifestyle, they bought bling, they bought Porsches, they wired it to like Mogadishu. Maybe it wound up in the terrorist pocket. We don't know. That'll be investigated. One guy spent $150,000 on crypto and then just flew to Amsterdam and disappeared. This is so disgusting. And it shows such a lack of respect for the hard working men and women of this country who look at their paychecks. Half the paycheck's gone anyway. And then the stuff we do give to the government is just gone. So what do we get? We get nothing. We just get debt.

[Brett Baer]

That's the thing. It's not refundable to the taxpayers. He doesn't have to pay anything back. But those people in Minnesota, that was their money and they can't get it back.

[Tyrus]

Well, don't worry about it because Tim Waltz is on the job. He's got. Thanks for bringing it to his attention. He's going to figure it out now because it's been in the shadows for the last. The entire time he's been governor, there's been nothing but corruption. And for some reason the leakers were just really good at not saying anything. How do you not this, how do you not resign? This has nothing to do with Democrat Republic. If I was in charge of the Girl Scouts for my daughters to go to, and under my watch, under the Girl Scout cookies, I found out or it was found out or alleged that $9 billion in cookie funds was wrongfully used and frauded, I would step down for just embarrass, sheer embarrassment, nine boxes of cookies come up missing. I would probably step down also. I'd probably be under investigation. Those s' mores are delicious. But I digress. The point is, is like all of the. They're targeting us. Yeah, they should be. Somebody stole $9 billion. They should be targeting you. The federal government's coming after us. Yeah, that's what happens when you're a governor and your city's 9 billion. This isn't even like a bad Austin Powers movie. Nine billion. Just random $9 billion is missing. And. Oh, Tim. And listen, I don't think he had his hands in the tilt. He's not smart enough for that. I think. I think these guys, they keep him in the shadows because he's just. He is what he is. He talks about stuff and tampons instead of checking everybody's wallet for stuff. Stolen tax funds. It's pathetic.

[Brett Baer]

Jessica. So after Jesse dies, he's gonna have an autopsy to determine what's happening. The brain. But I feel like after Tim Walls dies, we are going to learn from the autopsy that he has no spine. And it's amusing to me, if it weren't for such a terrible, reprehensible impact on those hardworking men and women of Minnesota that people cried racism when they actually did start investigating. Oh, gosh, hot potato. And everyone just stopped investigating the loss of $9 billion because there was a certain skin color that they assumed was involved.

[Jessica Tarlov]

Well, the people who were stealing from Minnesota put in ink that they were going to say it was racism. And their emails that the New York Times had where they said, oh, well, if you reject our request for this or like working with us, we're going to say that it's racism. And I feel like you should pick up the phone and make the call if you're going to be saying something like that. I didn't know that fraud, terrorism was a thing. And it is appalling. I've said this before, like to take advantage, especially during COVID when so many people are dying, scared for their lives, kids aren't getting to go to schools, businesses are closing on a daily basis from small to big. Just so deeply un American and disgusting. This investigation, it started in 2022. Questions obviously about the vetting process for vice president. I understand. And you know, she spoke about this in her book that you are the person she felt most comfortable with. I'm surprised that there wasn't more swirl about this since it was opened a couple of years ago. There has been, you know, there's an independent audit going on that Tim Wall started in October that's reviewing 14 programs. But it feels like it has to be more and then we have to look at all states. I have no idea if this is going on all over the place.

[Brett Baer]

It is absolutely Washington State, everywhere else where there's huge pockets of this. What do you think, Joey?

[Joey Jones]

Yeah, it's funny. Tampon tam brought up the ballroom. That's something he doesn't have to worry about. We wore a uniform at the same time, but we certainly didn't fight the same war because he was too chicken stuff to go with his unit. He cowered his out. And I'll never forget that. Or not bring it up. Just like if we talked about Blumenthal. He's a liar and stolen valor. That's just the truth behind some of these politicians when it comes to this specific issue. Listen, I mean, you know, you don't have to ask the 75th Ranger Regiment if anything good comes from Somalia. They lived it. I don't know why we're importing Somalis into this country to take advantage of us this way. I don't understand. We want the best and brightest, and those people could exist anywhere. But when a country's been nothing but a thing, thorn in everyone's side, maybe, you know, hit it with some white gloves for a minute and make sure that you're actually vetting and bringing good people here, not some diversity visa lottery or, hey, this country, you know, was war torn and we put our finger in there and we shouldn't have. So out of guilt, we're going to bring half of them here. That doesn't work anymore. This is another example of it. I'm not being racist. I'd feel the same way about half of England. I don't like any of those people. It's not about that. It's about the fact that the Scots. It's about the fact that, you know, when you go somewhere and people parade your dead around, when there's organizations that exist in these countries that are so evil. And this isn't just Somalia. This is Afghanistan. This is places all over the Middle east and in Africa and I'm sure plenty of other places. You don't start importing those people, you know, haphazardly, even if you're vetting them. That's just not a good thing to do. And we're still sitting here going, they're taking advantage of. It's not just 9 billion. He said. Thompson said it was upwards of 18 billion, perhaps. And it's not just Minnesota money. It's our money, too. It's Medicaid. It's matched by the federal government. So this is a big deal. And Tim Waltz is what, he's the useful idiot? That's his defense. This guy wanted to be the Vice President of the United States in his best defense, since he was too bad at his job to know about it. Spare me. I mean, you know, why isn't he resigning? Because guilty people don't want to resign that don't want to show it.

[Jessica Tarlov]

Yeah.

[Brett Baer]

All right, guys. Up next, the woman from the Coldplay Kiss Cam breaks her silence on. Yep, the canoodle seen round the world. So good, so good.

[Jessica Tarlov]

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[Tyrus]

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[Jessica Tarlov]

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[Jesse Waters]

Week.

[Jessica Tarlov]

Welcome back. The Kiss Cam woman is breaking her silence. Kristin Cabot is the HR executive whose life and career got ruined after she was seen canoodling with her married boss on Coldplay concert Kiss Cam. She told the New York Times, quote, I made a bad decision and had a couple of high noons and danced and acted inappropriately with my boss. And it's not nothing. And I took accountability and I gave up my career for that. That's the price I chose to pay. Tyrus, I'm gonna go to you first on this because I don't remember your take on the Kiss Cam.

[Tyrus]

Yeah, no take. Grown heterosexual. Just on my bucket list, you know, it just wasn't like, one day I hope I can be on the Kiss Cam with my wife. I think the punishment has way over, way over the crime here. Like, listen, I. It's ironic that she was the hr. That kind of makes me laugh. She had to turn herself into herself. But I think we just need to move on from this. They screwed up. I'm sure their husbands and wife's lawyers are really happy for this video. I'm sure it's making their Christmas. But at the same time, the message should be, be accountable. I think she was more than accountable, and I'm ready to move on from it. Like, I don't. You know, this ain't that big a deal to me anymore. I don't think it should be anybody.

[Jessica Tarlov]

And Emily, in the interview, kind of a centerpiece of it was, you know, the threats and, like, what's happened to her kids from all of this. It really seems extreme for two consenting adults that did something professionally inappropriate, obviously.

[Brett Baer]

But, yeah, that kind of stuff, unfortunately, is a byproduct of having your Name be in any news article. And we sort of live in that world, public facing position. It's terrible. It is atrocious and no one deserves that. I do think this comment of hers thrust her back into the limelight. And I think negatively. Half the people in this country have a couple of high noons before breakfast and they don't saunter around like a two bit whatever in front of a kiss cam with someone else's husband. I think that is hideous. And her saying I gave up my career for that, as if I should feel sorry for her. You got caught being a total jerk.

[Tyrus]

What's a high noon? I thought it was a dream.

[Brett Baer]

Again, you're a heterosexual person. You don't know. Okay, so I just feel like it's sort of the fact that she's explaining away what is actually a hideous betrayal and thinks that I'm supposed to be like, oh my gosh, I feel so bad for you. I don't feel bad for her at all.

[Jessica Tarlov]

Jesse, do you feel bad?

[Jesse Waters]

I don't feel. I love the word canoodling. I like to say it. I like to do it. Canoodling is such a fresh and beautiful experience. More people should canoodle from behind too. Like the way they're doing it. It's nice, it's innocent. Not that, but in general, Joey seems.

[Tyrus]

Like a conundrum more than a table.

[Joey Jones]

The morality of it is between four people and four people only. Maybe if you wanted to include their kids. The hypocrisy of it is because she was an HR professional and that was her boss and that's why she lost her job. And that makes sense. She says that she was like, basically made the villain even over him. And if that's true, then I don't think that's right because he had a position of power over her. I think he should take more, if not the same amount of responsibility and public scrutiny. And I'll leave it at that.

[Jessica Tarlov]

I like it. Okay, fan mail Friday is up next. I can almost see it.

[Jesse Waters]

That dream I'm dreaming but there's a.

[Tyrus]

Voice inside my head you'll never reach.

[Jessica Tarlov]

It Every step I'm taking.

[Jesse Waters]

Meet the.

[Tyrus]

Computer you can talk to.

[Brett Baer]

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[Jessica Tarlov]

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[Brett Baer]

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[Tyrus]

Try [e-mail] copilot mean one. Mr. Grinch, you really are a heel. Yours never gets old to me. It's fan mail Friday. Okay, rapid fire, because we're getting through these. Okay. All right, we're going to start. Emily, I know you can talk fast, so here we go. What quote or line from your favorite movie do you often use most in conversation?

[Brett Baer]

I'm gonna say in summer school.

[Tyrus]

Thank you.

[Brett Baer]

When he goes, see, see, see, see.

[Tyrus]

Okay, you guys know what I'm talking. Same question.

[Jesse Waters]

That's what she said.

[Tyrus]

Nice.

[Jessica Tarlov]

Yeah, big mistake.

[Tyrus]

Nice.

[Joey Jones]

Pain don't hurt.

[Tyrus]

Nice. I ain't got time to bleed.

[Joey Jones]

That's right.

[Tyrus]

All right, all right. Have you ever told a lie that came back to bite you besides what you said on TV today?

[Brett Baer]

I didn't say I laughed today. So the answer is no, I haven't.

[Tyrus]

Jesse. Yes.

[Jesse Waters]

I'm not gonna talk about it.

[Tyrus]

All right.

[Jesse Waters]

It's a problem.

[Joey Jones]

Go for it.

[Jessica Tarlov]

Yes, I said that I didn't get a speeding ticket, but I had filled out the form, which had that, like, stencil paper, like, on my dad's desk. So I had imprinted the ticket onto my father's desk.

[Tyrus]

Nice.

[Joey Jones]

Yeah, a lot about my colorblindness to become a bomb tech. And we saw how that worked.

[Jesse Waters]

That's how it happened.

[Tyrus]

Wow.

[Joey Jones]

No way.

[Tyrus]

That is horribly awesome. All right, what was your favorite show to watch as a kid when you were home sick, Emily?

[Brett Baer]

That one. The Tales from the crypt. At nighttime. 9 o' clock or like 10 o'?

[Tyrus]

Clock? Wow, that's a strange childhood.

[Joey Jones]

Garfield 902 now, the channel that came in all squiggly and you're like, trying to see through it, you know?

[Tyrus]

Yes. Okay, you know what, Johnny? You. We're done. One more thing is up next. No, he. He's done. He's done.

[Joey Jones]

Welcome back. It's time for one more thing. Jesse.

[Jesse Waters]

Turning Point. Tomorrow, America Fest, Fox Nation is going to be streaming it. Fox is going to take my speech live. I'll be speaking in the afternoon. You can sign up. You get a free subscription if you're a student. So go check that out. Tonight, Jesse Waters primetime Johnny was at SantaCon. Here's a little look.

[Joey Jones]

How many drinks deep are you?

[Jessica Tarlov]

I don't really like to drink too much, so it's like probably like 10 to 12 drinks. Nothing too crazy.

[Jesse Waters]

Nothing too crazy.

[Joey Jones]

Taurus.

[Tyrus]

Wow, that's amazing. Speaking of amazing, I'm So excited because it's breaking news. My beautiful daughter Georgie and my wife today went to Wellington International and the one point meter. And my daughter, she won an incredible first and third place with her amazing horses, Chi Chi. That's Chi Chi right there. And Richese who finished third. And that's Jessie who was just doing a training round. So she had an awesome, awesome day. First and third.

[Jesse Waters]

Congrats.

[Joey Jones]

Awesome, brother.

[Tyrus]

Thank you. And of course, Jesse, you know it's your favorite thing. Planet Tyrus comedy tour where you try to say a city I can't pronounce. But good luck to my happen. Tickets are available everywhere. I'm telling you, don't you do it, Jesse. Don't you do it. I can't read it. Yes.

[Jesse Waters]

I can't see it.

[Brett Baer]

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[Joey Jones]

And tomorrow, well, it's saying to your Christmas movie right there.

[Brett Baer]

Okay. Yeah, exactly.

[Jessica Tarlov]

I will share.

[Brett Baer]

It's my vision.

[Jessica Tarlov]

Look how cute these babies are. Cleveland Clinic NICU kids, tiniest patients in their adorable ugly sweaters, festive outfits bringing some joy in a very tough, precarious time in life. Hopefully they're all out very soon. And Merry Christmas and happy holidays to all these little babes.

[Brett Baer]

Be praying for them.

[Joey Jones]

That's cute. It's like toys for tots that the Marine Corps does. All right, so this is what I have. This is Santa swimming with sharks in Brazil. Check this out. There he is. It might not be the real Santa, but he upgraded the Santa outfit with some scuba stuff in a 90,000 million gallon tank. There's an extra zero here. So that's pretty awesome. That happened in Brazil. So I went swimming with sharks one time. It did not work out well.

[Tyrus]

Tyrus, I swim with sharks. Worked out fine.

[Joey Jones]

Went in with legs, came out with jugs.

[Tyrus]

That's not true.

[Joey Jones]

All right, that's it for us. We want you to have a great night. We're gonna hit it off to Brett Baer. Brett. Joey. I'm just doing the snow globe thing.

[Jesse Waters]

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[Joey Jones]

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[Jesse Waters]

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[Jessica Tarlov]

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[Jesse Waters]

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[Joey Jones]

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[Brett Baer]

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[Tyrus]

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