The Five – Episode Summary

Podcast: The Five
Host: FOX News Podcasts
Episode: Chaos After ICE Fatally Shoots Woman In MN
Date: January 7, 2026

Overview

This episode discusses the fatal shooting of a 37-year-old woman by an ICE officer in Minneapolis, Minnesota, which has led to chaos, protests, and intense debate. The panel analyzes the facts, political ramifications, rhetoric surrounding the event, and broader themes of law enforcement, political leadership, and media narrative. The discussion moves into President Trump’s newly declared “Don Row Doctrine” and reactions to Democratic social media campaigns and California wildfire recovery.

Chaos in Minneapolis: The ICE Shooting Incident

Facts of the Shooting & Immediate Fallout

• [00:04] Dana Perino introduces breaking news: protests erupt in Minneapolis after an ICE officer fatally shot a woman. DHS claims she endangered agents by trying to run them over.
• [00:53] Mayor Jacob Fry harshly condemns ICE, telling them to “get out of Minneapolis.”

  “What they are doing is causing chaos and distrust... sowing chaos on our streets and in this case, quite literally killing people.” – Mayor Jacob Fry ([01:03])

• [01:51] Correspondent Mike Tobin details the DHS account: agents approached the woman’s Honda SUV, which lurched forward. One agent, fearing for his life, shot through the windshield, killing her.
• [03:00] Crowd quickly gathers and becomes confrontational. Pepper spray and tear gas are used as agents protect the scene. Scene ultimately cleared after vehicles are towed, but protests become a march, remaining “quite emotional.”
• [03:57] Secretary of Homeland Security Kristi Noem: “It was an act of domestic terrorism... a woman attacked [ICE] and attempted to run them over.” ([03:58])

Investigating the Incident: Law, Policy, and Public Response

Legal Perspective & Use of Force

• [04:47] Lawrence Jones: Walks through officer actions visible in the video, stressing that “a vehicle can be a weapon.” Reports that the officer who shot has been drug-tested; currently appears to be a “clean shoot.”
• [07:47] Emily Compagno: Lays out legal standards for officer-involved shootings, emphasizing:
  • Officers can use lethal force if they reasonably believe there is an imminent threat to themselves, other officers, or bystanders.
  • Totality of circumstances matters: clear commands were given; the woman used her vehicle to ram officers.
  • Officer acted in a “split second,” and ICE’s own statement justifies the action under their training.

  "It is justified if the officer reasonably believes the suspect poses an imminent threat... That is why they train." – Emily Compagno ([10:19])

Political Criticism and Reactions

• [07:20] Governor Tim Walz blames the Trump administration for “dangerous, sensationalized operations,” asserting someone was bound to get hurt.

  “Governing by reality TV... that recklessness cost someone their life.” – Gov. Walz ([07:20])

• [11:36] Jones clarifies: “[She] was impeding a law enforcement operation... obstructing vehicles from going on pursuit.”
• [11:56] Debate continues over whether more investigation is needed, why officers approached as they did, and what led up to the confrontation.
• [13:29] Discussion over Secretary Noem’s quick characterization of the event as “domestic terrorism,” noting possible discrepancy with video evidence and the rush to public statements.

Media, Narrative, and Rhetoric

• [14:13] Reaction from national Democratic leaders:
  • Chuck Schumer: "When you have these ICE agents all over the streets... tragedies, horrible tragedies, killings occur."
  • Andy Kim: “This White House... intentionally trying to inflame this situation and make things even worse.”
• [14:29] Greg Gutfeld broadens to the national context:

  “The deliberate mistake the media makes is they ignore what leads to the moment so they can seize the moment to create a narrative... The key word here... is chaos, because chaos is what is desired.” – Greg Gutfeld ([14:34])

• Gutfeld and panel argue politicians and activists amplify tension for political and media gain, using this event as a “rallying cry.”

Policing, Protest, and Local Leadership

• [19:16] Lawrence Jones: “You’re telling these young people... it’s okay to block a cop. It is okay to throw rocks at cops... You don’t have legal standing in the middle of a stop to fight with a law enforcement officer. You just don't. You’re going to lose... and sometimes you may lose your life.”
• [21:11] Audio replay of previous anti-ICE remarks from politicians, including references to “Gestapo” tactics and implications that such rhetoric shapes the hostile environment.

Moral and Human Aspects

• [22:56] Harold Ford Jr.: Pushes for de-escalation and compassion, noting the deceased woman's identity has been largely ignored in favor of political spin.

  “There’s a woman dead tonight... I don’t know her name... but this is an awful thing... We have a situation and a problem tonight.” ([23:53])

Key Quotes & Notable Moments (with Timestamps)

• Dana Perino: “Chaos erupting in Minneapolis. Protesters... clashing with law enforcement... after ICE officer fatally shot a 37-year-old woman...” ([00:04])
• Mayor Jacob Fry: “ICE, get out of Minneapolis. We do not want you here.” ([01:41])
• Secretary Kristi Noem: “It was an act of domestic terrorism...” ([03:58])
• Emily Compagno: “When a suspect is requested to get out of the car... that means it is a temporary investigative detention... not free to leave.” ([08:21])
• Greg Gutfeld: "Chaos is what is desired... Do not be fooled by their emotion. This is how they do it." ([14:34])
• Lawrence Jones: “If you have a dispute with a law enforcement officer... the place to fight that is in a courtroom. You do not have legal standing in the middle of a stop...” ([19:16])
• Harold Ford Jr.: "There’s a woman dead tonight… this is an awful thing…" ([23:53])

Panel Debates Broader Issues

Police and Protester Conduct

• Stress on dangers of physical confrontation with officers and the responsibility of political leaders to deescalate situations, not inflame them.
• Debate over whether police could have used nonlethal means, such as “shooting out the tires”—dismissed by Jones as impractical and contrary to training ([25:49]).

Law Enforcement Training

• Emily and Lawrence reiterate that officers’ response followed established, legally sound training, especially given recent fatality statistics involving vehicles as weapons.

Politicians' Rhetoric and Responsibility

• The panel expresses frustration with politicians' incendiary language, arguing it contributes to toxic street atmospheres and undermines respect for law enforcement ([22:54], [21:24]).

The Don Row Doctrine & Political Realignment ([27:26] onwards)

Trump’s Venezuela Oil Seizure

• Panel briefly discusses President Trump’s latest foreign policy move—seizing Venezuela-linked oil ships and claiming diplomatic victory.
• Lawrence Jones, Emily, and Greg Gutfeld agree with “America First” framing but struggle with the mix of interventionism and nationalism.

  "Winning feels good... Leading feels good." – Panel ([31:32])

• Discussion on the shifting grounds between socialism, Democratic ideology, and Trump’s impact on both parties' identities ([29:26]).

Social Media and Political Image ([34:56] onwards)

Cringe Democratic Videos

• Governors’ viral videos using pop songs are widely mocked.

  “Imitation only works if you have the skill set... they look so painful. Like a white divorced dad drunkenly dancing at the wedding for his ex-wife.” – Greg Gutfeld ([35:24])

Advice to Politicians

• Dana recommends politicians be authentic and avoid gimmicks that backfire, citing Bernie Sanders and AOC as positive examples ([36:52]).

California Wildfire Recovery & Leadership ([38:50] onwards)

• Slow rebuilding after the deadly Palisades wildfires is condemned.

  “For Governor Newsom and Mayor Bass, this whole debacle... is their Afghanistan moment. I don’t see how you come back from it.” – Dana Perino ([39:31])

• Criticism of excessive bureaucracy and self-congratulatory leaders who are “slapping the face” of impacted families.

Closing: “One More Thing” ([43:26])

• Lighthearted topics, including La Befana (Italian Christmas tradition) and a record-setting bluefin tuna sale.

TIMESTAMPS: KEY SEGMENTS

• [00:04] Breaking: ICE Shooting & Immediate Reactions
• [03:58] Sec. Kristi Noem’s Statement; Legal Analysis Begins
• [07:20] Gov. Walz and Political Fallout; Legal Standards Debate
• [14:00] National Political Reactions – Dems’ Criticism
• [14:29] Gutfeld on “Chaos as Desired Effect,” Media Narratives
• [19:16] Protest Tactics & Officer Risk – Lawrence Jones
• [21:11] Politicians’ Rhetoric: ICE = "Gestapo"
• [22:54] Who’s Humanized? Discussion of Victim & Media
• [27:26] Don Row Doctrine – Trump’s Venezuela Oil Move
• [34:56] Governors’ Social Media Fails
• [38:50] California Wildfires: Recovery & Political Failure

Tone

• Candid, direct, with moments of snark and dark humor (especially from Greg Gutfeld)
• Emotional undercurrent of frustration with political exploitation and concern for public safety/community
• At times contentious, especially between more conservative and moderate/liberal panelists

This summary covers the substance, key arguments, and notable perspectives presented in The Five’s episode on the Minneapolis ICE shooting, providing insight into the event itself and the wider political and cultural debate it sparked.