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Conference tonight. Hello everyone.
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I'm Dana Perino along with Emily Compagno, Harold Ford Jr. Lawrence Jones and Greg Gutfeld. It's five o' clock in New York City and this is the five. All right, so FOX News alert right here. I'm sorry, we're watching all this video along with you because chaos, chaos erupting in Minneapolis. Protesters on the ground, they're clashing with law enforcement. And this comes after an ICE officer fatally shot a 37 year old woman who the Department of Homeland Security says was putting the officers in danger by almost running them over with her car. Minneapolis Mayor Jacob Fry letting the F bombs fly as he told ICE to get out of his city.
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What they are doing is causing chaos and distrust. They're ripping families apart. They're sowing chaos on our streets and in this case, quite literally killing people. So they are already trying to spin this as an action of self defense. Having seen the video of myself, I want to tell everybody directly that is, and I have a message for ICE to ice, get out of Minneapolis. We do not want you here.
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So let's go right to Mike Tobin. He is standing by there in Minneapolis. Mike, what's the latest?
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And Dana, DHS says that vehicle involved in this shooting was weaponized and directed at the agents. They say the agent who fired the shots was in fear of his life and, and the lives of his fellow agents. There are a number of videos circulating on social media right now, the ones in which you can see the agent who fired the shots. You will see three agents get out onto Portland Avenue and approach that vehicle. One of the agents was standing directly in front of that Honda SUV when it lunged forward. He fired two shots through the windshield. One of them at least struck this woman and killed her. Now, now, Jacob Fry, you heard him say that he doesn't buy the narrative at all using the phrase BS there, Governor Tim Waltz. With all the heat that he has been under lately, he said what he wants now is to get federal agents out of Minnesota.
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We do not need any further help from the federal government. To Donald Trump and Kristi Noem, you've done enough. Minnesota will not allow our community to.
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Be used as a prop in a national political fight.
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We will not take the bait.
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Now. Chaos ensued immediately after the shooting. People descended on the scenes. They tried to push through the outer perimeter of the federal agents who were trying to keep the crime scene secure. That is when we saw the pepper spray come out. Tear gas came out a couple of times during the day Today. The crowd remained on that scene growing to about 400 strong at one point. But ultimately they towed away that Honda SUV and a couple of vehicles that were hit by the car after the shooting and that cleared the scene. And all law enforcement, federal agents had pulled out first and local law enforcement maintained the scene. But there was still friction with the local law enforcement, meaning Minneapolis state and sheriff's deputies, they pulled all of them out. And that turned the protests at the shooting scene into a march. The march ultimately dissipated. The you now have about 150 people still at that scene in south Minneapolis. And the crowd is quite emotional.
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Dana.
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Mike, thank you so much. And I just want everybody to have a chance to hear from the Secretary of Homeland Security, Kristi Noem. She reacted earlier. You asked about a shooting that we just had in Minneapolis, Minnesota. It was an act of domestic terrorism. What happened was our ICE officers were out in enforcement action. They got stuck in the snow because of the adverse weather that is in Minneapolis. They were attempting to push out their vehicle and a woman attacked them and those surrounding them and attempted to run them over and ram them with her vehicle. An officer of ours acted quickly and defensively, shot to protect himself and the people around him. All right, we'll get this news analyzed by the folks here at the table. Lawrence, vehicles can be used as a weapon. Is that what you think happened here?
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Well, they are considered weapons. I want to handle this a little bit differently. I don't want to tell the audience what to think, but I do want to offer them some perspective as they analyze the video. A couple things that I looked at immediately is how the responding officers respond immediately. There's a vehicle that is clearly obstructing them. The threat level is high, but the responding officers go toward the vehicle and they don't go with their weapons drawn. Typically in a case like that, their weapons would be drawn because you have obstruction that's going on. You don't know who's in the vehicle. You don't know what's in the vehicle, but they don't. The responding officer on the right hand side and you'll see it in the video that ends up being the person to shoot. The suspect at the time has his phone video in it. You see a cell phone the entire time. He then makes his way with the standard operating procedure. When you don't see someone that's in the passenger side, you want to get a clear view of the windshield. So you can see who's in the vehicle. Right. So he's positioned there. There's another officer that's on that side where the suspect is that's driving the car. He still has his cell phone filming the entire thing. Now then, as they're given the command to stop the car, one of the officers puts his arm into the vehicle because that's a dangerous. His gun is still not drawn. His arm is in the car trying to open the door. All right, the officer, at some point, when you see the other angle and we're showing it right here, that's in the front, that has his cell phone when the vehicle starts to go forward, puts his phone down, draws his guns and fires a shot within in the front of the windshield, striking the suspect. Those angles are important. I'll add one more piece to this because a vehicle can be a weapon. I'm learning from my sources within the department, both in the White House as well, in ice. The officer that shot the shot has been drugged before. Now, John Roberts has this reporting as well as my sources have confirmed it. Now, there could be body cam that says this is not true. They could say that these sources are wrong. But right now, based on the evidence that we have right now that it's available to everyone, it looks like a clean shoot.
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Emily, I want to just play for you from Governor Walz. He's been in the news a lot lately and for other reasons, which we might get to a little bit later on the fraud there in Minneapolis and the welfare fraud. But he also came out in front of the cameras today, talked about the shooting.
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We have been warning for weeks that the Trump administration's dangerous, sensationalized operations are a threat to our public safety. The that someone was going to get hurt. Just yesterday I said exactly that. What we're seeing is the consequences of governance designed to generate fear, headlines and conflict. It's governing by reality tv and today that recklessness costs someone their life.
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Any thoughts here on the legalities or on those comments?
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Right. Well, first of all, him mentioning reality TV and recklessness. Those are his comments. And he's the one that is theatrical and dynamic on stages, calling President Trump ICE agents Gestapo and Nazis. So we can get to that a little bit later as well, because I do want to focus on the legalities for a second. So for those that on the left that have been jumping to conclusions that this is murder and it wasn't self defense, including the mayor, which is so speaking of reckless, absolutely worthless and such a rotten form of leadership to come out of the gate and say it was not self defense. But here's the standard that officers, that officers abide by first of all, if the officer reasonably believes that the suspect poses an imminent threat, not just of actual deadly injury, but of serious imminent injury, then that can be justified in shooting. And the factors, including just last year by the Supreme Court, involve the totality of circumstances. So let's look at the totality of circumstances here. First of all, they clearly said on multiple angles of those video, you can hear them saying get out of the car. When a suspect is requested to get out of the car, that means that it is a temporary investigative detention. That is a fourth Amendment seizure. That subject was not allowed to leave, not free to leave. And yet we saw that individual behind the wheel of the car use a motor vehicle to ram out of the way, to surge and gas out of the way. Well, you talked about it being used as a weapon. Motor vehicles accounted for a third of officer deaths in the last decade and it spiked even more than that in the last year. So absolutely right that it poses an extreme risk to their safety. And when we talk about the rhetoric as we as the no self defense and the ICE agents are Gestapo and the like, that too feeds into the totality of the circumstances when this officer reasonably believes that they are in fear of imminent injury, serious injury or death. And furthermore, that standard also accounts for potential injury or of risk of injury to bystanders. So while fleeing isn't enough, fleeing in a deadly weapon with bystanders and other officers everywhere, including that one that I saw on the thing sort of limping, because I think that's that that did pull the trigger, clearly made contact with that vehicle. Well then that shows you all you need to know. And final quick point on the legality, the statement released by ICE earlier talked about that it was training by the officer, that he utilized his training to discharge his weapon and eliminate the threat that was justified. And all of these things from what we know thus far. And the point is that these officers train and exercise this judgment in a split second.
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Right?
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And the Supreme Court has held and affirmed that what matters is a reasonable officer standard in that moment, split second, was it justified? And that is why they train. And the fact that ICE officer agents have to train for assault on a sustained daily basis also shows what a toxic atmosphere they're operating in thanks to those feckless leaders.
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Harold, how do you see things this afternoon?
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It's a tragedy anytime someone loses their life. I think that the way Emily and Lawrence have laid this out, there's a lot of fact to what they're saying. I guess what I would add to both of you to both of the points. I'd be curious to know what happened before what we saw in that video, because it looks as if the car, the police officers, the ICE officers, were in an undercover 1/5, like a Ford vehicle, and the other cars seemed perpendicular to them. So something happened for the cars to be situated like that. I guess the question I would have, Lawrence, in addition to the ones you asked and the ones that Emily raised, was it didn't appear to me, and I'm not a law enforcement agent, but it didn't appear to me that the woman in the car had a weapon drawn because the officers walked right up to the window. And if they. And the officer walked right up to the window, didn't seem to draw his gun. But I think that's why we need a full investigation.
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It doesn't have to be in a weapon drawn. You're speaking of the weapon as a gun or something like that, but the vehicle is a weapon.
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That's not the point I'm making. I'm only saying whomever it was in the car when they. Before what happened, how they got, how the cars got that way, they had to be chasing her for a reason. So what I'm getting is what was the reason they were chasing her for?
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No, they weren't chasing her. She was impeding in a law enforcement operation. She was blocked. There was other protesters on the scene, and she was obstructing the vehicles from going on pursuit. Got it.
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So she didn't have a weapon aimed at them when they walked up to her window. Because if they did, I would think that the officer that walked up to them. You and I both are speculating. The woman that would have. Officer walked up to the window, who put his arm in the car, she would have had a gun pulling him, and they probably would have. They should have shot her. Then I want to know if we knew the woman, what the background was, what was the case and the reasons for the pursuit of her. Finally, I listened to the SEC we were all talking about. Thought that the governor was probably a.
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Little out of line.
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The mayor was a little out of line. I'll give him a little benefit of the doubt because of the notion. But I thought that Secretary Noem should not. I couldn't understand when she said that it was an act of domestic terrorism and she said the car was stuck in snow and the officers were. I mean, I think her characterization. Maybe she got bad information because her characterization seems inconsistent with what we're seeing here. But again, I think we just need we need more information here, like why were they chasing and how did her car get perpendicular to theirs? So again, I wish that all the politicians would take a step back, including President Trump, and allow for a full investigation to take place here. Because one thing is for certain, this city is on edge tonight. And as an American, this is an American city. I don't want whatever the politics of the city might be. We don't need any more escalation. We ought to be all be trying to de escalate here and get more facts.
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May I just say that Secretary Noem is working with the Department of Justice AG Bondi to make ramming an official act of domestic terrorism. So that's where that came from.
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Well, she might be, but those aren't the facts. She said that she was in Brownsville, Texas, and that was early in the day. She, she had the most, she had the earliest comment about this. And I'm just saying her characterization of the facts don't seem to be consistent with the video that we're seeing. Maybe she's seen some other video, but.
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We'Re going to get Greg's taken. I just want to play from Chuck Schumer and Andy Kim. These are Democrats reacting today as well.
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When you have these ICE agents all over the streets of our cities without.
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Any cooperation with local law enforcement, local.
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Communities, tragedies, horrible tragedies, killings occur.
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I'm very worried about what comes next, especially as this White House with Stephen Miller now calling this domestic terrorism. Intentionally trying to inflame this situation and make things even worse. You know, that's the kind of action that you see of a reckless White House.
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It's like, you know, the White House is characterized as reckless, but the action by the perpetrator is not.
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I'm not even, I'm not interested in the moment that everybody is focusing on. I think that is the mistake that we always make is that we come upon something and we focus on the moment, but we don't ask, how did we get George Floyd, how did we get Butler, Pennsylvania? How did we get Charlie Kirk? There's a whole series events that get you here. The deliberate mistake the media makes is they ignore what leads to the mom so they can seize the moment to create a narrative. You have a city on edge because that is the desired effect. The key word here, and it always is, is chaos, because chaos is what is desired. Okay, you want to see how this, how we got here. Most of us know how we got here. There was a migrant crisis that was deliberately encouraged by our politicians. For reasons that were financial and political, went crazy. Trump wins. We bring in ICE agencies, the ICE agents, to fix this problem. They are villainized because they are fixing the problem. We have politicians and activists demonizing people, trying to do their jobs with protesters and rioters around to sow chaos. And they are organized and they are sponsored and paid for. The desired effect is this. They want this. This is a success. Do not be fooled by their emotion. This is how they do it. What do you expect? You amplify a directive that is designed to do one thing, which then becomes the rallying cry for more chaos. You get the new Michael Brown, the new George Floyd, the new Kent State, and this will be felt in cities wherever there is a progressive mayor getting mamda me in or whatever progressive mayor you got. It's not about the policies that I'm worried about. It's about the side they take when the rubber hits the road. What side do they take when people start looting. We knew what happened in New York with what's his face. I can't even remember his name. Frankenstein. Yeah. So the downside of progressive mayors, besides their complete ineptitude, is that they will always fan the flames of chaos because that's the side that they choose. But the good side is, I think we're a different country than we were in 2020. We know how narratives work and why we aren't going to let it happen again. Before, you had a silent majority sitting by while cities burned in the name of oppression. Because identity politics paralyzed us. Ain't happening anymore. Thanks to Elon Musk and X, we are now seeing things as they happen. We know how the chaos unfolds. We know who's behind it. This is different. And before Twitter, before Musk bought Twitter, this would be a different story. It would be another incendiary event. And it might still be in some cities, but I don't think it's gonna be the case here. So if you wanna debate whether this shooting was justified or not, you can do that. But I don't think that's the story here because that's for the courts to decide. That's for the departments to decide. And whether the police officer made the right decision. I can't. I'm just a talking head. But I can tell you about the context. I can tell you that we warned you about this.
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And I. Control room, Is this live, what we're seeing here on the screen? It's not live. Okay. Just with the snowballs being thrown at them. You mentioned new mayors, progressive mayors, and the new mayor of New York City, he decided to weigh in on Minneapolis. This is also another thing which is all politics, all local politics is now national. He said this. This morning, an ICE agent murdered a woman in Minneapolis. Only the latest horror in a year full of cruelty. As ICE attacks our neighbors across America, it is an attack on us all. New York stands with immigrants today and every day that follows. I just want to get one more point in from Greg because you mentioned when he was first coming on the scene that the reaction from him to things like this will determine what will happen here.
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You know what a socialist is going to do with economic policy. You know they suck on crime. But this is the scary part. This is why, you know, they looted my neighborhood after an event that occurred a thousand miles away. Why did, why, why did that cause the rioting in New York? Jacob Fry must own stock in the plywood business because he is going to have another riot on his hands. And you know what? Left wing mayors, they're harder to, to get rid of than dictators in South America. And if they get rid of him, they just replace him with somebody worse.
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Can I pick up where Greg left off? Greg is right when it comes to the root cause of the problem. But say you even just allow the root cause to happen, say that you allow the Dems to have their open borders policy and now they just want to resist this administration. There's a way to resist administration. There's a legal way. What I don't like that I see from the left, and you can object to ice, you can object to the president policies, is that you're telling these young people that they're out here right now that it's okay to block a cop. It is okay to throw rocks at cops. It is okay to drag a cop when they are doing a stop. That is not okay. And like I tell young brothers all the time, if you have a dispute with a law enforcement officer, right, and you feel like you have been aggrieved, the place to fight, that is in a courtroom. You don't have legal standing in the middle of a stop to fight with a law enforcement officer. You just don't. You're gonna lose nine times out of the 10. And sometimes you may lose your life based on your ignorance and the politician. Even after this one, this young woman was just shot, I think justified to have the mayor of the city to go on national TV and say, ice, get out of my city. The f out of my city. I'm sorry. So if they don't get out, what do the citizens do? Do they take it into their own hands to force them out of the city? Because we just saw one person try to obstruct them and they ended up dead as a result of that. So I think some of the root causes, to Greg's point, is also the politicians, how they respond to these.
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It's also how they've been talking about this. I'm going to get you in one second. This is just the last one I have. This is a flashback of what Governor Walz has been saying about ICE leading up to this.
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Donald Trump's modern day scapo d' escapo is scooping folks up off the streets. They're in unmarked vans, wearing masks, being shipped off to foreign torture dungeons.
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And where did he give that speech? At a graduation, At a commencement.
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And yet he said today that this is the consequences of governance designed to generate fear, headlines and conflict. What do you call that? He says, governing by reality tv. What do you call that? He says, please protest peacefully as you always do. What about Minneapolis accounting for $350 million worth of damages of 500 million total after they burned it to the ground because people like the mayor said, well, brick and mortar is not as important as lives. As he ordered police to abandon the precinct. They are worthless at crisis management and they are utter failures at leadership, let alone governance. And to my point earlier about the totality of the circumstances, yes, their rhetoric will feed into why these ICE officers fear for their imminent safety at all times and risk their lives for others. I wanted to make a quick point about what you mentioned when you said they're going to see them, how they pick sides. Did you hear the press in the pressure at one, they asked one of the first questions. They asked what the name of the ICE agent was. Right. They didn't ask the name of the woman who got shot. So that shows you all you need to know. They don't actually care about the loss of life of a victim. What they care about is their herd mentality, the mob mentality, about vilifying law enforcement and federal officers above and beyond. What was her name? What was her age? Does she have kids? They don't actually care. They only, to your point, were applauding that finally someone was injured. Because as Jacob Fry said, we've been waiting for this moment since the minute one that you entered the city. Yes. Cuz you wanted this.
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It was just a few ago.
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Harold, I think I can't, I can't accept that. I'm not going to. You can't say that elected officials, you may disagree with their policy and their approach. I would just point out to both Greg and Lawrence and Emily, for that matter. We've had in the last two years two progressive mayors in big cities, San Francisco and Philadelphia, be defeated by moderate mayors, both who wanted to get law enforcement back in the place they should be in their cities protecting communities. I think that there's a lot to be said about all politicians. I think everybody needs to take a step back. I read President Trump's statement. President Trump right away made a declaration about what he thought happened there. He had every right to do it and he blamed the left, the radical left for all of these things. That's his opinion. The problem is we've gotten to a point in politics where the language and the narrative and the rhetoric isn't aimed at a lot of things we're talking about, isn't aimed at trying to de escalate and find out what happened. Saying law enforcement has to be respected. I think you're absolutely right, Lawrence. I did give Waltz some credit. I thought his comments saying people who want to protest tonight, you have to do it peacefully, safely and legal. If you don't, you're going to be arrested. I think those are the messages politicians need to be sending. The stuff we put up on Wallace, the speech he gave, everybody needs to take a step back. But I got to tell you, Greg, I think differently brother on this a little bit. There's a woman dead tonight. They should have asked that question first, Emily, but I don't think, I think some people did ask the question, but there's a woman dead tonight and I don't know if she has a family. I haven't heard anything about her. I don't know her name. I don't know what the reason why she was being pursued. I don't know who her family is. I've seen some story, I think in one of our home house newspapers here in the New York Post where they talked about her mother, I believe saying something. But this is an awful thing and whether or not Minneapolis has contributed to this. What are the politicians to your point, the way you're characterizing, want this. I don't necessarily agree with that, but we have a, we have a situation tonight and a problem tonight that I think we.
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What are you disagreeing with me about? I don't know.
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You said that you can't look at the moment. I think you have to look at the moment and I don't. The stuff you talk about.
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No, but you're Actually talking about stuff before the moment. So you agree the moment you're talking about the context, I'm talking about the actual shooting. It doesn't help having a bunch of talking heads, like, case in point, do you know how many angles there were to this shooting and which ones were preferred by whom? If you went on Blue sky, you had a specific angle, but on Twitter you had that angle and you had another angle and then you had another angle. God forbid, there was no X anyway. But, but, but I think you're. You and I are agreeing that I would. Yeah, of course I want to know more about that. But the actual shooting, whether it's justified or not, I can't tell you. I'm not gonna. I don't have the expertise.
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Right, but that's, that's where, that's the moment we've gotta. Because I think better policy, that's not on us. I know better policy. Like, I don't understand, and I would ask Lawrence, is the reason I was saying that the person didn't have a gun in the car doesn't mean the car couldn't be a weapon. But I just shot her tires out.
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I mean, but that's not how they're trained.
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You know what? You know what, Harold, I'm just gonna say this real quick.
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I'm not trying to be critical.
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Before I went through the academy, I used to think things like that officers aren't trained. You know how hard it is to shoot a tire? It's hard. It's very hard. It's very inconsistent. And so people, when they look at these videos, they look at it from a civilian standpoint with no training. I will say this finally. I grieve for the young girl and I grieve for her family, but there are consequences to your actions. And what we should be telling our young people and what we should be telling our protesters is be careful what you do. You get. We don't live in Venezuela where we have anarchy in our society. We do have law and order. We do have police officers. And that's why our elected officials should not be saying leave. Especially when we have the supremacy cause.
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Okay, we'll have much more. We're going to monitor all of this on the latest on the deadly ice involved shooting in Minneapolis. But let's get to this. Coming up next, President Trump is enforcing the Don Row doctrine. Am I saying that correctly? Seizing oil and tankers. We'll be right back.
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More like the leaders President Trump unleashing the Don Row Doctrine in the Western Hemisphere America took over two Venezuela linked oil ships today, DJT announcing he got Venezuela to cough up 30 to 50 million barrels of oil to the US and naturally the Dems are steaming mad over Red Hot Don's latest moves. This president instead he's declared war on.
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Every country in the globe, either economically.
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With the stupid tariff tax or militarily, as he's done with Nigeria, Syria, Venezuela and now possibly Greenland.
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If it was legitimate to invade a corrupt and an attempted authoritarian nation, then we'd better get troops on San Francisco and Boston and all up and down east and west coast because we would be ripe for invasion if somebody wanted to overturn a massively corrupt regime, which is, in my opinion, which we have here right this minute.
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Wait, I thought you guys were against Trump sending the National Guard in and.
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Now you're for it?
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Okay, Dana. Yes, it's funny how you see the media in the last couple months or so and the Democrats trying to portray the Trump movement as splitting, but it seems like the Dems are splitting over Venezuela. You have kind of like the honest Democrats who say this is a good thing and recognize that they had said that before Trump and then you had the dishonest ones that said get rid of Maduro, but now say that's immoral.
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Yeah, process stories are always more interesting to the press than anything else. And they want it's like when you try to like make something happen. They want MAGA to split apart. And maybe in the future when President Trump is no longer the president, there might be some sort of fissures. But it also shows that there's still a pretty big tent and Republicans are hanging with the president. Overall, there's quibbles here and there, but the Democrats have serious problems. There was a big interview the other day, I'm sorry, article just this morning. It's been a long day. Jason Riley in the Wall Street Journal writes about what is the difference between a Democrat and a Democratic socialist? And you start to ask Democrats this and they can't answer it.
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I can't.
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Well, okay, go ahead.
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A Democrat believes that government's role is to promote, help business and capitalism produce enough for everybody. Democrats believe that there ought to be an adequate safety net that doesn't encourage people not to work, that helps people when they do, helping their kids get to college, helping their neighborhoods be safe. A socialist Democrat, in my estimation, believes that things ought to be given away for free. That regardless of if there's just a need, you ought to give it away for free. That you ought to tax people who have more, even if you don't use it in an efficient or responsible way. I didn't grow up a socialist Democrat. I grew up in a strong Democratic family and tradition. And we were taught if you work hard and play by the rules and keep God first, you can accomplish.
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Is there room for both within the big tent of the Democratic Party?
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Of course. I'd remind all of us around the table, President Trump, when he ran for President in 2016, redefined politics and redefined the Republican Party. He brought Democrats into the Republican Party. He even pushed some Republicans out. They eventually came back. But we are in a moment now where politics is being completely redefined. So the Democratic Party I grew up in is very different than the one that's being talked about today. But I will not for any moment and allow anyone to take how I grew up and tradition I served in Congress in away from me or for that matter, away from so many in this country. I think subscribe to what I believe in.
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I think Harold hit on a key point, Lawrence, that the Trump frame is above and beyond the typical politicians frame. Either you're a neocon or you're an isolationist. His is a very simple America first. Just win, baby. And I think everybody. So everybody will be for him with Venezuela until it doesn't work out. Then they might go, that's bad. But it's like case by case. It's not ideological.
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Can I be honest? And I think a lot of people in the audience feel this way. This is where I struggle. Right. Because I have felt a certain way about intervention my entire life about where. And then I find myself liking what the President has done. And I guess we call it a hybrid model. Maybe don't call them a neocon. Maybe you don't call them an interview. Maybe you don't call them.
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You know what it is? Winning feels good.
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What does feel good?
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Leading feels good.
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Sometimes leading.
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Sometimes things that you traditionally don't say feel right. For example, a lot of people don't like him saying take the oil. But for me, it kind of makes sense.
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Yeah.
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Because if you're not going to pay for it with our money, how are you going to pay for this? How are you going to pay for the military action? How are you going to rebuild this country. If you're not going to use our money, the only way you do it is get a portion of the pot. And honestly, I think our troops, our country, should be rewarded for helping rebuild the country as well. That may not be the classical conservative or libertarian approach, but I'll take the hybrid model. Yeah.
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You know, Emily, Scott Adams has a really simple framing for this. You either look at a country as expanding or shrinking, and under Trump, you actually feel like the country's growing. Under the Dems, you just felt it retracting and shrinking. Like shriveled gonads.
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Yes.
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Like the Crypt Keeper. Dehydrated. Yes. I don't. I don't see this as, you know, a second Iraq building or us sort of taking over. I see this as reasserting deterrence. I see this as shrinking our enemies in our backyard and saying, actually, sanctions aren't just signals or symbolic anymore. They actually mean something. We're going to enforce this in maritime, you know, naval lanes. Matter and leverage is now reclaimed. And I think under prior administrations and again, it's like inheriting things. People are like, well, this is the way it's always now. It's like, no, no, we actually reject weakness and our word means something. And now I think it's not quite a reshaping of conservative viewpoints, but I see it as a. As a stretching the limits of the executive authority. And I think it will. What it does test is our tolerance. To your point about, you know, struggling with it, the tolerance of people for it. But I think the lower tolerance would be if our enemies grow real big, fat and strong right in our backyard. And so you pay. What is it? Pound? A pound, a penny, you know, six pence, Whatever it is, where you pay a penny now and it's worth like $10 later, whatever that phrase is. That's what we're seeing now. But we are investing in our strength and we're showing Russia not on our watching.
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Remember leading from behind Obama administration? I hated that.
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That was terrible. That was terrible in making. Messing around and finding out is equally terrible. We ought to have a clear policy. I agree with you, Lawrence. There's some parts of it I like and some parts that I'm just puzzled by. We just need to understand if, If. If sharing in their oil profits is going to make their country more stable and less inclined and less susceptible to be influenced by Russia or China or anyone in their backyard. And equally important is something Daniel and I want keep people in Venezuela, in Venezuela, because they believe they're chances and their future Is brighter. That ought to. That ought to be the focus. And that's about to be with the president, ought to be articulating.
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Ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.
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Final answer.
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Yeah, that's what it is.
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In for a penny, in for a pound.
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All right, up next, the Democrats are back posting more cringe videos on social media.
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They never learn. A group of Democratic governors from various blue states posting another cringe video. They are lip syncing to a song I'm sprung by T Pain to make a political point that voters need to re elect them. Watch.
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You do you do.
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Discussion. Greg, you love that song.
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I do, yeah. It gets me in the mood, Emily Mood to commit suicide. You know, imitation only works if you have the skill set. It's like you could tease a cat with a laser pointer, but the cat can't tease you with a laser pointer because they don't know how to work a laser pointer. It's the same thing with the left. When they mimic Trump by swearing, they look stupid. When they try to appear authentic, they look as real as Jesse's hair. It's not in their skill set. When they try to be hip, they're like a white divorced dad drunkenly dancing at the wedding for his ex wife. They just look so painful. And it's weird, you know, when I see them all in a row together. You see how unhappy Tim Waltz looks. It's like you see him in context with all the other governors. This is a look at him. He's not doing well.
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It's like seeing passport photos come to life and move. It's frightening.
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I just feel that. So I used to PR for older politicians, politicians older than me, a congressman.
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And a president, like in their 60s.
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There has to be a. There's a limit to what you can ask them to do. Okay. They're not going to be woke and hip. And they will try. They understand, they want to be a part of it. But you have to be more to me, you have to be more creative than this and not make them laughing stocks. Do you remember when they did the video, the choose your fighter video? It was mortifying. So you have to have leaders who are strong enough to tell their younger staffers, I'm actually not going to cross that line. Cute idea. Not happening. Move on.
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What do they say yes to everything.
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I don't know.
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It's like Bernie Sanders who has a colossal youth following because he doesn't do this. He's just himself. And then he lets.
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AOC doesn't do this stuff.
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Yeah, I Don't know.
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I think to Dana's point either, these kids are trying to get payback at their parents because their parents would never do this. And so they're using people that are their parents ages to get back at them. I know they would never post something like this themselves. So there has to be some torture in this process that they're trying to inflict. Maybe these politicians are mean to their staff. I don't know. There's nothing to justify posting. They're young people. They know what is cool. Right? They're on social media, so why would they post this?
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Harold, what's your advice to them? Do you agree that this is not working?
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Yeah, I've never liked these kind of things. I mean, I'm not a singer.
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Did you ever do anything?
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No, I never tried to do stuff like this. But look, people. People do what they want to do.
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Come on.
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I think it's better if they'd be out talking about permitting for housing in their states. It'd be better if they were out talking. President Trump has offered to lift tariffs on some items. They ought to ask him to lift tariffs on all items and show if he did, what that would cost people in their states, how it would make things more affordable. We should have a federal crime. But I'd be just talking about the issues. Again, I'm not a singer, so they don't look to be either.
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Don't sell yourself short. I've heard you sing in the shower.
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C
I thought we were going to share all that.
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All right, guys. Up next, the leader.
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Oh, that was a joke.
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The leadership of California's liberal incompetence is on full display one year since the deadly Palisades fire.
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I love how.
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So. It's been one year since the deadly Palisades wildfires in California, and residents in Los Angeles are still struggling to rebuild. LA Mayor Karen Bass seems to be taking a victory lap on the city's recovery efforts, despite the damning fact that fewer than 12 homes have been rebuilt in Los Angeles county today.
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Watch this.
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Still out of their homes.
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It doesn't make anybody feel wonderful for.
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Me to sit here and tell you.
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That, that this is one of the.
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Fastest recovery and rebuilding efforts that the state of California has ever seen.
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And I'm proud of that. But I do have to acknowledge the grief, the suffering and the pain. Diana.
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Well, I just. I really believe that for Governor Newsom and Mayor Bass, that this whole debacle and tragedy is their Afghanistan moment. I don't see how you come back from it. Shane is the largest removal in history is like saying is the best airlift in history. If you go back and there's. And you had Kennedy on yesterday, whose home needs completely redone. The insurance companies are recalcitrant. You don't have the governor and the mayor on their side. You actually had the Army Corps of Engineers and epa. Those are federal assets going in to help. And you have to wonder what it would have been like had this been a different type of governor and a different type of place.
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I agree.
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It's sad.
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You know, we need to rethink the concept of forever war. Mayor Bass is proof of the forever war of domestic corruption. The city burned. She's still there. She's not going anywhere. And why? The woke structure. We call it woke now, but it's always been there is in place to protect the incompetence that she can't be thrown out or else that would be racist. She were a white dude, she'd be gone. But if she were a white male Democrat, he'd just throw other white dudes under the bus. Think about the dictators and how we think how firmly entrenched they are. No, liberal mayors are the ones that are firmly entrenched. And if you replace. If you one goes away, like, say, Lori Lightfoot, who was considered at the time the worst mayor in the country. They replaced her with somebody worse. Brandon Johnson, which is Lightfoot, but female.
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My prayers still go out for the people of California. I listened to Kennedy yesterday, who was on the show, and she talked, she complained about the insurance companies, President Trump. And I'll say what I said yesterday. There are things that he does that I agree with, some things he does that I don't agree with. But one thing he has shown a proclivity to do is when he believes the federal government can do something better than state and local governments, he acts. He believes that local law enforcement is not doing right when it comes to immigration policy. We can debate it, but he has a theory of the case. What's happening in California with insurance companies and the regulations and the layer on top of layer on top of layer of things the president would do, right? To go take the insurance companies on in California and to take on the state and locals and say, to Dana's point, federalize the whole thing. Because I cannot imagine losing my home, losing everything. And then a year later, things seemingly.
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B
About the same, including all your friends. Like, your friends are gone, everybody's displaced, your businesses are gone.
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Yeah. And by the way, as a Californian, people in Northern California are still suffering from the prior fires, let alone these guys. So we know, you know, over 1500 homes were destroyed. Less than 20% are even in active recovery or reconstruction, let alone the 12 that have been rebuilt, Kennedy's home included. This state is like celebrating administrative like permits and applications. Meanwhile, a year ago, it was Gavin Newsom himself who was sort of rightly so, thanking President Trump for removing the brush or whatever. And now they're saying it's him. Like the problem with the mayors, the liberal mayors that you talked about, Greg, is they go on to become governors. I mean, I was subjected to Gavin Newsom as my San Francisco mayor. He was utterly inept then. He was just obsessed with the microphone, then the Care Not Cash program. Everything suffered under his watch. And now it's just a broader scale because he's in charge of the whole thing. But the mess that is there and them patting themselves on the back is such an added slap in the face. And especially to those 31 families that still mourn the loss of their loved one and that this Christmas had a missing seat, had a seat that wasn't filled. That's their watch. And yet they're still congratulating themselves.
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I think he's going to use it to run for office for the presidency because he says the president could have done more and if he was president, he could have done more. I don't think it's going to work with the people, though. One More Thing is up next.
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And it's time for One More thing. Greg.
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Thanks, Dana. So tonight we've got a barn burner of the show. No offense to the Amish, Kat, Tim Rich, boss, Jillian Michaels. She could kick my ass any day. Tyrus, that's tonight at 10.
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Julian Michaels has a new FOX Nation show.
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E
Does she? Well, congrats to her, Emily.
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A
All right, guys, check out this video of an annual tradition in Italy with La Bafana. She's sort of like their Santa. Every year on January 6, she brings sweets and treats to good children and cold to bad children. And there's funny video of the fire department, like fighting her with her broom.
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La Bafana, January 6th.
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F
Lawrence, never forget to Tokyo. We're a 535 pound bluefin tuna sold for a whopping $3.2 million. A new record. The record setting bluefin was caught off the northern Japanese coast and the tuna often brings in over $6,000 a pound. Blue fans were once a threatened species, but now they are in recovery.
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E
I hear it'll be on the View next week.
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We are in the wrong business.
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They got some good bookings.
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E
Yeah, they really do.
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Think about it. They really do. All right, that's it for us, everyone.
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C
Listen to the 5ad free on Amazon.
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D
Music with your prime membership, or subscribe.
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E
Wherever you get your podcasts.