Chucking Schumer

Summary

The Five – "Chucking Schumer"

Podcast: The Five (FOX News Podcasts)
Date: November 12, 2025
Episode Overview:
This episode of "The Five" dives into the mounting political challenges facing Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer after a widely criticized government shutdown. The hosts scrutinize Democratic Party divisions, Schumer’s leadership, rising progressive voices, media theater in politics, free speech violence on college campuses, and the ongoing cultural divides. The panel also spotlights Veterans Day with Frank Siller, CEO of Tunnel to Towers Foundation, and closes out with lighter segments and quick-hit stories.

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1. Main Theme and Purpose

The primary focus is on Chuck Schumer's embattled leadership in the Democratic Party following a government shutdown that failed to yield meaningful victories for Democrats. The hosts debate the future of Democratic leadership, dissect the fallout among liberals and progressives, and explore wider cultural and generational rifts. Alongside political analysis, the episode addresses political performativity, ideological conflict on campuses, and pays tribute to veterans’ causes.

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2. Key Discussion Points and Insights

A. Chuck Schumer Under Fire

• Schumer’s Shutdown Fallout ([00:33–03:56])
  • Democrats are turning on Schumer after a "shutdown mess" (missed paychecks, travel delays, hunger for SNAP recipients) with “no tangible Obamacare wins.”
  • Trump is quoted as saying Schumer "went too far" and that “the Republicans broke him” ([01:10]).
  • CNN pollster brands Schumer’s situation “terrible, terrible, terrible” – making him the least popular Democratic Senate leader since the 1980s ([02:01–02:14]).
  • Dana Perino critiques Schumer’s floor speeches and leadership style, comparing his tactical and policy weaknesses to past and current leaders. She sees the party’s generational infighting as a sign it’s time for new leadership ([02:22–03:56]).

Notable Quote:

“When you gin up the base and convince them you can win something you do not have the votes to win…you are going to make them mad, you're going to lose. And when you cave, they're going to take it out on you.” – Dana Perino [03:44]

• The Language of “Caving”
  • Greg Gutfeld objects to “cave” as a pejorative in political negotiations, saying it prevents compromise and entrenches division ([04:00–04:53]).

Notable Quote:

“That word creates a resistance to cooperation. And it's funny because the Republicans don't do it as much, but the Dems even do it to themselves.” – Greg Gutfeld [04:13]

• Democratic Messaging and Incoherence
  • Harold Ford Jr. highlights the Democrats’ lack of unity and clear proposals during the shutdown but emphasizes their recent electoral victories as a sign of underlying party health ([06:52–09:24]).

Notable Quote:

“The problem Democrats had during the shutdown is they had no coherent message and they weren’t cohesive…At the end of the day, I think… affordability was the winner… If you can’t frame the victory, don't poo poo on it like you voted against it.” – Harold Ford Jr. [07:23–08:56]

• Generational and Ideological Rift
  • Kennedy mocks establishment Democrats, stating, “I don’t know what these establishment Democrats stand for,” and suggests Schumer is out of touch. The only support he may have left is from “Rachel Maddow and Hakeem Jeffries” ([09:35–10:54]).

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B. New Democratic Voices and the Party Base

• Rise of Jasmine Crockett & Progressive “Performance” ([13:24–20:54])
  • Discussion of progressive Rep. Jasmine Crockett, who’s being boosted as a Senate candidate via performative activism, including a viral moment with a radio host kissing her sneakers (symbolizing “liberal foot-fetish culture” and performative politics).
  • Dana Perino points out Crockett’s lack of legislative accomplishments and calls her a “perfect Democrat for this phase of the resistance—no substance, fights, no portfolio, all performance.”
  • Hosts debate whether progressive performativity has substance or if it’s a symptom of wider party issues.

Notable Quote:

“When you've got the libs literally kissing your feet, Jassy's on a power trip like no other. She's eyeing a Texas Senate run while running interference for two Bullet J. Jones.” – Kennedy [14:05]

Notable Quote:

“The problem on the left is…if you climb the ladder of influence, not by accomplishment but by doing cool things…you're going to be the one that is talked about on these kooky podcasts.” – Dana Perino [21:00]

• Harold Ford Jr. on Party Fluidity
  • Ford defends the idea of a “fickle electorate” as a sign of democratic health, saying nothing is inevitable in politics and leaders must earn support through results ([18:37–20:13]).

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C. Culture Wars: Wine Moms, Performative Guilt, and Party Identity

• Greg Gutfeld on “Wine Moms” and Virtue Theatre ([22:19–24:38])
  • Critiques the performative guilt and “white savior” complex among liberal suburban women, calling them a liability for modern Democrats.
  • Suggests that clinging to these types “drives men away and women who are moderates and not crazy.”

Notable Quote:

“White liberal guilt is more addictive to wine moms than Botox. And it paralyzes them like Botox into this frozen state of needy, groveling…they sell out their ancestry just to appear virtuous.” – Greg Gutfeld [22:25]

• Moderate Democratic Wins
  • Ford notes that big recent Democratic victories went to moderates, not progressives, reinforcing the idea that the voter base is less radical than media performances suggest ([24:38–25:15]).

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D. Campus Free Speech and Violent Protests

• UC Berkeley Turning Point USA Event ([27:05–34:26])
  • Rob Schneider’s speech on the importance of free speech is quoted: “If free speech means anything, it’s the right for me to say something that pisses you off.”
  • The panel discusses violence and attempts to shut down conservative events, blaming the left for “the rioter’s veto.”
  • Ford urges all sides to reject violence, arguing “violence is the work of the weak, not the strong” ([30:19]).

Notable Quote:

“Violence is what's resorted to when you run out of ideas and you run out of ways to improve outcomes…anti-Semitism and racism and violence are just wrong. We have to be willing to teach that.” – Harold Ford Jr. [30:19–32:08]

• Security and Safety Lapses
  • Jesse Walters expresses concern over on-campus security and possible bureaucratic sabotage of conservative events ([33:16–34:14]).

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E. Tribute to Veterans—Frank Siller Interview

• Tunnel to Towers Foundation ([35:00–38:58])
  • Frank Siller shares stories from Veterans Day at Arlington and details how his foundation is helping homeless veterans through supportive housing and services.
  • Tunnels to Towers has helped 17,500 homeless veterans, impacting 8,700 children, and has paid off 2,000+ mortgages for Gold Star widows.
  • He credits the foundation's effectiveness to comprehensive support services and the generosity of high-profile donors.

Notable Quote:

“There's a big price paid for us here in America to live free and to be around them reminds me of what we do, the reason why Tunnel to Towers exist, to take care of these great heroes.” – Frank Siller [35:14]

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F. Lighter Segment: Showers in the Dark

• A tongue-in-cheek discussion about a health study encouraging people to take showers in the dark for better sleep ([40:02–41:28]).
  • The segment becomes a running joke about accidental darkness, modern distractions, and “eating apples in the shower.”
  • Emphasis on the need to disconnect from screens before sleep.

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G. Rapid-Fire Final Stories (“One More Thing”) ([41:41–43:11])

• Dana highlights Fox’s efforts to support veteran homelessness.
• Jesse shares a viral video of a criminal defeated by overeating and poor hiding skills.
• Harold praises a Michigan police officer who helped deliver a baby during a traffic stop, showcasing positive policing.

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3. Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments (with Timestamps):

• “He thought he could break the Republicans and the Republicans broke him.” – Jesse Walters quoting Trump, [01:10]
• “The word of the day is terrible, terrible, terrible. To quote another Charles Barkley.” – Greg Gutfeld, [01:55]
• “When you gin up the base…you are going to make them mad, you're going to lose. And when you cave, they're going to take it out on you.” – Dana Perino, [03:44]
• “That word creates a resistance to cooperation…It creates that prison of two ideas.” – Greg Gutfeld, [04:13]
• “He caved. You caved?” – Greg Gutfeld to Harold Ford Jr. (running gag), [11:49]
• “White liberal guilt is more addictive to wine moms than Botox.” – Greg Gutfeld, [22:25]
• “Violence is the work of the weak, not the strong.” – Harold Ford Jr., [30:19]
• “Rob Schneider was keeping Charlie’s legacy of free speech alive.” – Greg Gutfeld, [27:05]
• “There's a big price paid for us here in America to live free and to be around them reminds me of what we do, the reason why Tunnel to Towers exist.” – Frank Siller, [35:14]

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4. Important Segments with Timestamps

• Schumer’s Troubles & Party Turmoil: [00:33–10:54]
• Jasmine Crockett & Democratic Identity Crisis: [13:24–21:00]
• Wine Moms and Virtue Theatre: [22:19–25:15]
• Campus Free Speech, Violence at Berkeley: [27:05–34:26]
• Veterans Day & Frank Siller Interview: [35:00–38:58]
• Showering in the Dark (Comic Relief): [40:02–41:28]
• Quick End Stories (“One More Thing”): [41:41–43:11]

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5. Tone and Style

The episode’s tone is lively, irreverent, and deeply opinionated, defined by the panel’s trademark banter, running jokes about “caving,” and sharp political quips. It mixes serious critiques about current events with lighter moments and pop culture references, keeping the pace energetic and engaging for listeners.

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This summary provides a comprehensive guide to the episode, capturing major controversies, quotable lines, and pivotal moments—offering a full sense of "The Five" for those who missed the broadcast.

Transcript

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[Jesse Walters]

Hello everybody. I'm Jesse Walters along with Kennedy, Harold Ford Jr. Dana Perino and Greg Gutfeld. Five o' clock in New York City, and this is the five the knives are out for Chuck Schumer. Liberals are grabbing their pitchforks, ready to give him the full Joe Biden treatment after his shutdown mess resulted in the missed paychecks, flight misery and starving SNAP recipients. But no tangible Obamacare wins for the Dems. President Trump sums it up the best.

[Greg Gutfeld]

What message do you have for Schumer tonight?

[Jesse Walters]

Well, I think he made a mistake.

[Greg Gutfeld]

In going too far. He going too far how? Well, he just went too far. He thought he could break the Republicans and the Republicans broke him.

[Jesse Walters]

Throwing Schumer under the bus is quickly becoming the new political litmus test for Democrats.

[Frank Siller]

My guess is that he won't be.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

Leader of the party in 2027 after it's time for you to gracefully make.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Way for a new generation.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

The leadership of the Democratic Party in many respects is way out of touch.

[Frank Siller]

With where Democrats in general are.

[Jesse Walters]

And when it comes to his poll numbers, CNN's Data Guru is putting a fork in Chuck's career.

[Greg Gutfeld]

The word of the day is terrible, terrible, terrible, terrible. To quote another Charles Barkley, when it.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

Comes to Chuck Schumer, look at this least popular Dem Senate leader ever.

[Greg Gutfeld]

He's underwater with Democrats, his own party, he's underwater. He's at minus four points. That makes him the least popular guy.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

For a Dem Senate leader going all.

[Greg Gutfeld]

The way back since the mid-1980s.

[Jesse Walters]

Terrible, terrible, terrible.

[Dana Perino]

Dana Perino well, yes. Have you ever seen him give a floor speech?

[Frank Siller]

Yes.

[Dana Perino]

There's never been a time when he isn't reading it. Like he has to read Good morning. And it kind of drives me crazy in the newsroom when I see him. I do think he's struggled since he's there because he's not a tactician. And he's also bad on policy. So you can be bad on one or bad on the other. It's very rare that you're good on both. McConnell good on both. Thune good on Both Harry Reid. Robinson was good on both. And in this situation, the changes in the political realignment have moved faster than his staff can. Now, some of his staff over the years has cycled out because there are retirements. Right. And I think a lot of the people in the Republic, in the Democratic Party are starting to see that the Republicans went through this. They have a lot more youth on their side. They've got energy and excitement. And on the Democratic side, they're having not only intra fighting, but they're having generational fighting as. As well. The other thing is, is that who's going to do it better than Chuck Schumer is not a ringing endorsement. Okay. And without him, do they fall apart? I'm not exactly sure where this goes, but also he was the one that was saying from the very beginning about the shutdown, this gets better for us every day. And the biggest problem, in my opinion, is this happens on the Republican side, too. When you gin up the base and convince them that you can win something that you do not have the votes to win, you are going to make them mad, you're going to lose. And when you cave, they're going to take it out on you.

[Jesse Walters]

Greg, you know.

[Greg Gutfeld]

The big problem with this story, and it's a big problem with a lot of stories, Jesse, language. Everyone would do a lot better if they stopped using the word cave. Because when somebody wants to come to an agreement and you said they caved, then they will be less inclined to agree with you in the future. Imagine if you had a spat with your spouse or an argument with your child, or you were pulled over by the police, or you're in court and somebody. The opposition agrees with you on a point and you said, ha, you caved. That's really stupid. I think those. That word creates a resistance to cooperation. And it's funny because the Republicans don't do it as much, but the Dems even do it to themselves. I think it creates that prison of two ideas where you have to be on one or the other. Do you agree, Harold?

[Harold Ford Jr.]

I think largely, yeah.

[Frank Siller]

You caved.

[Greg Gutfeld]

All right. This whole Democrat tantrum is so revealing because they're castigating each other for ending Trump's shutdown when before they said Trump's shutdown was like killing kids and causing planes to crash. It's like saying this movie sucks. Why aren't they making a sequel? It's completely contradictory. Which means they're only doing it as a political stunt. They didn't care about sick kids or starving kids, and so they're screaming about an imaginary problem, but they scream louder when the imaginary problem goes away. My only regret is that I didn't get to see reporters frantically looking for that one starving child in the. In the United States. I don't think there is one starving child in. In the. In the United States or we would have seen that person. And then if they found that person, they would not be able to film it because the starving would have nothing to do with snap. Would have to do with the fact that both their parents are on drugs or something crazy like that. So it's just like it's a bummer that we can't see how the press would move forward on this story. Again, if you watched the five, you would have seen this coming. I think it was day one. Dana, you said this is not gonna end well for the Democrats. You know, let's fast forward and we understand the clarity of it. Just, you know, put the bill there and sign it. But the Dems hate clarity. You know, they, they wanna argue about the extension of a subsidy for the ACA bill that will go right to insurance companies and all. Trump is saying, hey, I'm gonna give you a check for $2,000. This is why, like the Democrats embraced trans. It was the opposite of clarity. No, they're not male and female. It's a whole array of pronouns. Non binary this, non binary. 80 different ways to call sex. That was very confusing. We don't do confusing.

[Jesse Walters]

Definitely not on cable. Harold, do you value clarity?

[Harold Ford Jr.]

I do. It's good to be back. I'd say a couple of things. Two things can be right. I think Democrats. I differ with everyone around here, but I think Democrats and Democrats are beating up themselves. I think we had a great last week and a half. I didn't want the government to be shut down for 40 days. And I don't the blame game whether it was Republican or Democrat. Well, I'll let the. Let the polls and the people sort that out. But I do know we did have some sort of a referendum on this just a week ago where Democrats had unambiguously an incredible night from coast to coast, from the south to the north, including in Mississippi and Georgia. When I say 10 things can be right, Democrats got a lot of what they wanted out of this. The problem Democrats had during the shutdown is they had no coherent message and they weren't cohesive. You had one group saying, we want to extend or undo all the Medicaid cuts that were part of what President Trump calls the big beautiful bill. That was not going to happen. You had another group saying they wanted to extend the subsidies that Greg just talked about under the aca. Then you had another group that wanted both. Then you had another group that. I don't know what they were talking about. So you look at all of this. At the end of the day, I think Tim Kaine and Jeanne Shaheen and Angus King and John Fetterman and others showed a great deal of maturity, saying, look, the election showed that affordability was the winner from the standpoint. Jesse, not that I want things to be unaffordable, but it is the issue on every voter's mind, be it Democrat or Republican. I do think President Trump, slightly precarious, if not could get even more precarious, begin to say that people aren't feeling economic hardship. I've said around this table before, there are a number of politicians at the national level who try to tell people you're doing better than you think you are, who are no longer in politics. That's a dangerous thing to go down. Finally, on this thing with Chuck Schumer, there's no doubt that the pressure of Nancy Pelosi saying it would be her last term is around him. The urgency of the many members of the Democratic Party, whether you like some of them or not, this younger group, including those around the country who are winning as moderates, Mondami was the outsider, the outlier in this last race. You look at all of in this on Tuesday, look at all the Democrats who won nationally. They were moderate, they came from my wing of the party. So I'm relieved and pleased by that. But what Chuck Schumer has to understand is if you can't frame the victory, don't poo poo on it like you voted against it. If you can't talk about what it is we want as a party, then maybe it's time for what some of these young Democrats are saying for new leadership and new voices at the top of the party.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Term limits. Maybe they should talk about term limits.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

I'm for them.

[Frank Siller]

You are.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

Have been for them for years.

[Dana Perino]

Really?

[Jesse Walters]

Wow. A politician in favor of term limits.

[Dana Perino]

I would like to see.

[Jesse Walters]

It's a very interesting stance. Kennedy.

[Kennedy]

I don't think Chuck Schumer's old enough. I hope he's there for another 74 years. I think that's when stuff's going to get really, really interesting. And I don't know what a Schumer Dem Democrat is. You know, you look at the party, you know what an AOC and Bernie Democrat is. Absolutely. And you know What a MAGA Republican is. I do not know what these establishment Democrats stand for. I do know that the reason President Trump's message resonated with voters who were independent and apolitical is because of the economic pain and because of all of the high prices, the inflation that the Biden administration delivered. It was Trump talking about jobs. It was not Trump handing out dependency, which is what all that socialists have to offer here. So this thing is unsurprising that Chuck Schumer is under attack, not only from Republicans who want to talk about, you know, potentially a plan, an economic plan that has more to do with class warfare, which is going to get very, very boring, especially if any of these younger voters want to. Want to move into upper brackets. He's also under fire from the progressives. The only friends that Chuck Schumer has left are Rachel Maddow and Hakeem Jeffries. Can you imagine being stuck in an elevator with those two? It's, you know, reason it.

[Dana Perino]

And imagine what they say behind his back.

[Kennedy]

Oh, it's not good. And Chuck can't even hear. He can't see. I don't think he's got any of his senses left. The writing is on the wall for him. They don't have a cohesive message, and I hope they never pull this nonsense again. And when Hakeem Jeffries talks about affordability, things are unaffordable because taxes are too high. They're only going to get higher with these massive handouts for a cratering entitlement program like Obamacare that was destined to fail the second it was born.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

And then last Tuesday, Democrats won every race across the country. I hear you, Democrats, but you may be right, but the voters didn't say that.

[Kennedy]

Okay, But a fickle electorate is a healthy one. So if you have voters who are going from one party to another because their needs are not being met, I don't think that's the worst thing in the world.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

Neither do I. I think it's wonderful if both parties are going to try to make things for freedom.

[Kennedy]

Harold, thank you for being on my side.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

It's a win for America.

[Jesse Walters]

Did he just.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Yeah, Harold did.

[Jesse Walters]

I think he did.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

Yeah.

[Greg Gutfeld]

He caved. You caved?

[Harold Ford Jr.]

I won.

[Greg Gutfeld]

No, no, no, you caved. I can't believe you just let her walk all over you.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

My party won every race, okay?

[Greg Gutfeld]

You always make it about race.

[Jesse Walters]

Say the same thing. Up next. And they called us weird. Liberals are locking lips with Jazzy's feet.

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[Kennedy]

It'S the Bee Gees, Jesse. That's who it is.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

Hello.

[Kennedy]

Wait till you see how deep this love is. It's really disgusting. The Democrats are going Tarantino. A progressive radio host, kissing the sneakers of far left Democrat Jasmine Crockett and then proudly boasting about her foot fetish. Watch.

[Dana Perino]

Senator, can you confirm that I just kissed your sneakers? This is. She's on camera saying she'll do the radio. I am, I am. We're doing it.

[Kennedy]

Future senator of the great state of Texas.

[Dana Perino]

I'm gonna miss Ted Cruz so much.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

He's so likable.

[Kennedy]

You realize that's not the one that's running, right? All right. When you've got the libs literally kissing your feet, Jassy's on a power trip like no other. She's eyeing a Texas Senate run while running interference for two Bullet J. Jones.

[Dana Perino]

I was very excited to see that he was able to pull off the win. It seems like people did not get caught up in the distractions.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

Your name has been floated all over Washington, D.C. and I'm sure all over.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Texas as a potential U.S. senate candidate.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

What can you tell us?

[Dana Perino]

Yeah, I am considering it. Starting with someone who is known and has a brand, a brand that doesn't take from anybody. I think being a fighter for the people is what people are looking for.

[Kennedy]

Well, maybe, but Karl Rove looks like garbage. All right, so Jesse, she, Stephanie Miller is a radio host. She's been around a long, long, long, long time. And she said in 2024 at the DNC, she was so excited to meet Jasmine Crockett. She said, I've warned Representative Crockett that I'm going to start crying. So we hear a lot about these studies. People who identify as mentally ill and oddly enough, liberal women are the ones who self report the most mental illness in this country. Is this evidence of that?

[Jesse Walters]

You want me to say yes, don't you, Kennedy? I will. I want to talk about feet.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

Yes.

[Jesse Walters]

I was on Fire island once.

[Greg Gutfeld]

And just once.

[Jesse Walters]

I was in high school and I was there with a friend of a family friend from Dallas. He's a buddy. Good kid.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Yeah.

[Jesse Walters]

And he was in middle school and I was in high school. And we were at this playground just playing around. And these kids who we weren't really friends with, we didn't know him for some reason, they threw a rock at Adam's head and it hit him in the head. And he was mad and he was sad. And so I was bigger than these kids. So I went up to these kids and I made these kids bow down and kiss Adam. Dallas feet. And we still talk about it today. I was so proud of that. He was proud that I did that for him. And it's just one of those things that sometimes needs to be done. I've been reading a lot about Jesus. You know better than anyone, Harold, because we text about it. Killing Jesus.

[Greg Gutfeld]

You've been thinking about that?

[Jesse Walters]

No, the book. It's a best seller.

[Dana Perino]

A lot of new information.

[Jesse Walters]

There's this part towards the end where.

[Kennedy]

Don't spoil it for me, Jesse.

[Jesse Walters]

Jesus is washing the feet of his disciples.

[Dana Perino]

Yes.

[Jesse Walters]

And it symbolizes servanthood and humility. And I thought to myself, washing someone's feet is. I mean, that's like the most loving thing you could do, especially to a stranger. So we've been having this debate on the 8 o' clock show about should men get pedicures and should real men get pedicures? And I've gotten one or two.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Can somebody diagram this sentence for me?

[Jesse Walters]

And so my father has never had a pedicure his whole life. And he's in his 70s. He's like old as Chuck Schumer. And the other day, I get on my phone, I look at my phone, and it's my dad's foot at a spa. And this poor woman is giving my father a pedicure. Now imagine you've never had a pedicure and you're in your 70s with the calluses and the toes. And I felt so sorry for this poor woman. Then I'm thinking to myself, that's what Jesus did. Jesus washed stranger's feet.

[Greg Gutfeld]

This is the greatest segment we've ever had.

[Kennedy]

Yeah, that's almost Shakespearean. I mean, you had.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Go on, keep going.

[Jesse Walters]

When I was abroad. I'm not gonna say when because of security, I was on a beach and I stubbed my toe so badly on this beach chair, a part of my toe fell off. It was bloody and it was gushing, but. But I band aided it up for quite some time. What do you know? My toe regenerated. Yes, your toe grows back. Who knew that?

[Greg Gutfeld]

I don't know.

[Dana Perino]

My abs.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Somebody has to set this image.

[Kennedy]

Start this segment in five. Welcome back to THE five. Harold, you're not going to believe this. A liberal talk show host kissed Jasmine Crockett's feet. Are you guys all a bunch of cult members?

[Harold Ford Jr.]

That was incredible. Yeah, Jesus is a servant.

[Greg Gutfeld]

That was performance art. That would have been like at the Warhol factory if you were alive then.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

I'd say a couple of things just about the politics of this. We saw a conflict between and we're seeing it continue to play out between progressive Democrats and moderate Democrats. And it's really coming to fruition now. Ms. Crockett, I don't know much about her other than what I read and some of the things that we talk about on this show. If she runs, I wish her the best. But what you have to understand in politics is. And you were saying it. I was agreeing with it. They called me caving. I was agreeing with what you said in the last segment. Nothing is inevitable in politics. The urgency and pressure of delivering for people has to be earned. President Trump is. People are going to grow tired of him just blaming Biden all the time. Maybe not you, maybe not everybody around the table, but enough voters just might do that. The same is true with progressives. One of the reasons progressives are losing more races than winning right now is because they're not delivering on the things that they promised to deliver on. Now, many around this table, we've said their ideas are far fetched. Their ideas don't match up with what people are, the kinds of things that people need in their lives. But once voters see that, voters react. So we'll get an opportunity to see Democrats here over the next. We're going to see play, I think, over the next few weeks as even in the United States Senate with Mr. Schumer, how he's able to manage. And his thing is more, it seems like generational change that many people want. But I don't think there's anything wrong. You said it well. I don't think there's anything wrong with the fluidity of the electorate. And if you don't, the one thing that is key is if you don't deliver for the electorate, you Won't win. Which is why nothing is inevitable is inevitable unless you earn it in politics.

[Kennedy]

Well, it's very interesting because, and I.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

Like the feet thing you went. I thought it was a great thing you did there.

[Greg Gutfeld]

It's true.

[Jesse Walters]

It's Jesus did it.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

He did. Servant of a servant.

[Kennedy]

Very good. But you have Democrat Jasmine Crockett, I would say she falls more into the progressive attention seeker camp and she is talking about Jay Jones, the AG who talked about murdering his political opponents and their children. And she said that it's okay that he won. It's actually, it's great. A win's a win and it's better to vote Democrat than have morals. I mean, that is a summation of what she said. How long will that kind of emotional exhortation last in politics?

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[Dana Perino]

In many ways, Jasmine Crockett is the perfect Democrat for this phase of the resistance. So there's no substance whatsoever. There's no legislative portfolio. She could not explain the Obamacare, health care subsidies. Her life depended on it. It's performative and she fights. Right. So that can work up to a point. But aspect of o', Rourke, how that's gone in Texas when he has tried to run statewide, it is fool's gold for Democrats. And actually I find her entertaining. I think she is beautiful and I think she has this potential to be a different type of leader. She has the power. She could have said Jay Jones, we don't need people like that. She has enough power to be able to do that and it would be different. The problem on the left is that if you climb the ladder of influence, not by accomplishment but by doing cool things like driving across the country in a car and then all of a sudden you get millions of dollars to try to run a statewide race and you lose to Ted Cruz, then you're going to be the one that is talked about on these kooky podcasts because on the right you have this media, media ecosystem that is terrible for the left. They can't stand it. But it's diverse and it's. They're having fights internally and it's. Everybody listens to it. Where is the energy on the left in the media? It's on these kooky left wing podcasts by wine moms who are going to get them all in trouble if they continue to go on them.

[Kennedy]

All right, so Greg, you have a URL, Conservative Wine Moms.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Yes.

[Kennedy]

Would you like to comment on.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Yeah, I'm going to have to be serious for my segment because I can't like one up what Jesse just performed. White liberal guilt is more addictive to wine moms than Botox. And it paralyzes them like Botox into this like frozen state of needy groveling. They're desperate for status approval about the wine moms. You can go from Mrs. Kimmel to that crazy Welch lady to the woman kissing the feet to the people who write for law and order and write a plot about how a woman won't charge a black man for rape because of systemic inequity. It's that kind of performative theater kids trying to appear, I don't know so virtuously obedience that they're subservient and they will actually sell out like Jennifer Welch does. Sell out her talk about her past, her family, her friends. They're just a bunch of white rednecks. But unlike me, I'm different. I'm the white person that's better than the other white people so they have to denigrate all whites so they alone are the Christ like helper, the savior. She's the one kissing the feet. She's the white savior for this, this precious black person. Which it should be. I mean it's probably more racist than anything. It reminds me too of those anti racist dinners where white ladies would pay thousands of dollars to be told by enlightened wokesters how hopelessly racist they are and they would pro, they would prostrate themselves and sell out their, their, their ancestry or anything just. And I think Harold, I want to get to you, but I do think these people are a mistake not talking about Crockett, I'm talking about the wine ladies. I think the Democratic party wants nothing to do with them. And I think it's because they are part of the past. They are the hangover, the Jennifer Welch and these wine moms. I like the phrase wine moms or mom tifa, whatever you want to call it. I stole that from Jillian Michaels. They don't want these wretched beasts representing the Democrat party cuz it just drives men away and women who are moderates and not crazy. Do you agree with me? Harold?

[Harold Ford Jr.]

Harold, look.

[Greg Gutfeld]

No. Just yes or no.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

I think right now Democrats are rejecting. I agree with you. That's why in Philadelphia, when the facts are on your side, I'll say it. Philadelphia, Minneapolis, San Francisco. These cities have, in Portland they've elected moderate Democrats. They had liberals jokingly decided San Francisco hadn't been on a while.

[Greg Gutfeld]

I was just trying to get you to agree with me so I could say you caved.

[Kennedy]

Portland just elected another Nutless one?

[Harold Ford Jr.]

No. Seattle Philly. What are the four?

[Jesse Walters]

Seattle Philly. That was wonderful.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

In Philadelphia.

[Kennedy]

Did you say that? Did the Seattle race get called?

[Dana Perino]

Oh, yeah, we're still on the air.

[Kennedy]

Up next, a bloody brawl breaking out as left wing Looney Tunes try to block a Charlie Kirk event in Berkeley.

[Dana Perino]

That's next.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

When Betty and George turn.

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[Greg Gutfeld]

Bloody brawl outside of Turning Point USA Event at UC Berkeley. As several hundred agitators threw rocks and set off flares trying to block the campus, three people were arrested inside the event. Speakers like Rob Schneider were keeping Charlie's legacy of free speech alive. Let me tell you, Berkeley, shame on you, Berkeley. Shame on you. The regents, the academics here. You should fight for free speech. If free speech means anything, it's the right for me to say something that pisses you off if it means anything. Free speech is all speech. So, Kennedy, you've heard of the Heckler's veto? We kind of moved into the assassin's veto and the rioters veto. You know, if you're scared enough over your own physical safety, maybe you'll just leave.

[Kennedy]

Yeah. And that was the threat from college campuses that they weren't going to have events like this after Charlie Kirk's assassination. And you know, I don't know if Berkeley caved to pressure from some conservative groups who wanted to have this is the turning Point, visit their campus. I know you went to UC Berkeley, Greg. I went to UCLA and actually was awarded the Regents Scholarship, so.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Oh, congratulations. And you were in your 40s when you got there.

[Kennedy]

Exactly right, yes. 25 years ago.

[Commercial Announcer]

Yes.

[Kennedy]

But you know, you see this and you realize that again, what the left is offering is violence. And the pushback is not ideas. The pushback is not a counter rally where they're selling, you know, God knows what brand of socialism, what strain of it that infects people who, you know, for one reason or another decide to matriculate at Berkeley. But there are conservative students there and that should be heartening for anyone because there are young people who are going there who have been propagandized and they are pushing back on it from within. Unfortunately, that does have dangerous consequences. And I think Rob Snyder is absolutely right. Like you have to keep speaking, you keep having to visit these places. And Berkeley, the birthplace of free speech, is supposed to be the most anti fascist thing in the world because fascism stomps free speech. But here you have these anti fascists, you know, by any means necessary. That's something they stole from the Mamdani crew. That's one of the rallying cries in order to get rid of Israel from the river to the sea by any means necessary. It's got some very anti Semitic undertones. But what they want to do is stomp the free speech of people who are yearning for a turning point event at their campus.

[Greg Gutfeld]

So Harold, you know, I always admire you because you're not aggressive in your persuasion, because you don't have the self doubt of your point. When you look at something like that, you have to ask yourself, why do they care so much that you have to agree with them? Wouldn't that tell you that the aggression is rooted in self doubt and the aggression gets worse the more self doubt they have. You have no inclination whatsoever to get in a shouting match, even over a political thing, anything.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

You're right. I think violence is the work of the weak, not the strong. Violence is what's resorted to when you run out of ideas and you run out of ways to improve outcomes. So you resort to the worst behavior that we can engage in as humans. And it goes both ways. We're seeing a lot more Democrat of it here in some of the things that we show here. I do think, Greg, that we've reached a point where honoring differences and respecting differences of opinion, we've got to do a better job. But we also, we have to be willing and you talked about Bill O'Reilly and some of the books that he's written. We have to be willing to say when things are Right. And when things are wrong, I'm not talking about this segment here, but anti Semitism and racism and violence are just wrong. And we have to be willing to teach that and explain that. And some people say, why do you have to explain that violence is wrong? Because some people don't know that violence is wrong. Why do you have to explain that anti Semitism is wrong? We're having a huge brawl in this country, not just in the Democratic Party. Republicans are faced with this unbelievable diatribe right now against Israel and against Jewish Americans. So we have to be willing, as a society, put aside the political labels and say when something is right or wrong. Now I get President Trump who met with the Syrian president just a day ago. I'm reminded of the Lord Charleston, the prime minister in the mid century, 19th century in Britain, who said that we have not permanent allies or eternal. We don't have eternal allies or permanent enemies. What we have are interests that are eternal and permanent. Which means you have to be open minded and have to be flexible to bring people into your fray. Charlie Kirk was that at his best. And you shouldn't. We shouldn't resort to violence at events where free speech is being honored.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Yeah. He was murdered. Charlie Kirk was murdered. And you still have this. I would imagine the people that were out there find joy in that. So how.

[Kennedy]

Wonder how long.

[Dana Perino]

I wonder how long they waited after finding out that Charlie Kirk's murderer wrote fascists on the bullets before they started calling everybody on the right of fascists again.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Yeah.

[Dana Perino]

And it's very performative. And I sort of want to tell them, like, guys, it's not the 60s. That's embarrassing. You could get a job. What I would like to focus on is how great the inside of the room was. You had a full house. Everybody there.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Yeah, it would have been. There were people that couldn't get in because of the. What do they call them, Agitators. They're called rioters, I would agree.

[Kennedy]

Yeah.

[Dana Perino]

So I admire Turning Point USA for pushing forward with the college tour that was. But look at that crowd inside. That's pretty impressive, I think at Berkeley or UC Berkeley, right?

[Greg Gutfeld]

Yeah. Yeah. I don't know where that is. I think that might be a new thing that was built after I left. I think it might be.

[Dana Perino]

I donated that.

[Commercial Announcer]

Yeah.

[Greg Gutfeld]

I think that's the Gutfeld. Gutfeld Auditorium.

[Jesse Walters]

Very generous.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

Can you link Jesse Pavilion?

[Greg Gutfeld]

Jesse, I'm hoping that for the viewers you can link this somehow to feet.

[Jesse Walters]

Sure can.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Thank you.

[Jesse Walters]

The guy that snatched the guy's cross, his Name is Jihad. No, that's actually his name. First name Jihad, last name looked like a cat jumped on a keyboard because these letters don't belong together.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Different.

[Jesse Walters]

Paul as. No offense. Yeah, that's not a name. I think there's something off about this because my sources inside Turning Point are saying the QR codes weren't working. All of a sudden, they were shut off. So when everybody was congregating to get in, it created a very unsafe environment where these people were sitting ducks and then they were getting stuff thrown at them. And then at the end, the police created this really narrow corridor where again, they had to shuffle out again. Sitting ducks. And they were exposed.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Yeah, that wouldn't happen if it were a, you know, a precious liberal group. Right. So there is definitely. I mean, I would not be surprised if there were some, you know, bureaucratic complicity.

[Jesse Walters]

They said the same thing happened when they had Kyle Rittenhouse event. Same thing happened.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Yeah.

[Dana Perino]

All right.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

We should get the facts on that. That would be if that is facts.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Once again, he caves to facts. All right, coming up, Tunnel to Tower CEO Frank Siller joins us next.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

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[Greg Gutfeld]

A week at foxnewspodcasts.com or wherever you.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

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[Dana Perino]

All right. Today is Veterans Day, and President Trump's laying a wreath at Arlington National Cemetery. Among those attending was Frank Siller. He's chairman and CEO of the Tunnel to Towers Foundation. And, Frank, we are so honored to have you back.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

Thank you.

[Dana Perino]

What was that like this morning for you?

[Frank Siller]

It was beautiful. I was around so many heroes. It was just uplifting. And, you know, there's a big price paid for us here in America to live free and to be around them reminds me of what we do, the reason why Tunnel to Towers exist, to take care of these great heroes. Secretary Collins asked me to come down, have breakfast with him and go over and be part of. I wasn't part of the ceremony, but I was there to witness it, and it was just breathtaking to be there. You know, I'm working close with the VA and with hud. We hope to get as many homeless veterans. The word I use is eradicate in this booklet over the last two and a half years. And these are the names of 17,500 homeless veterans that we have taken off the streets from Tunnel to Towers Foundation. But I gave another one more statistic with that. Many of them have children. So 8,772 kids at the same time are now in a home, you know, with their parent parents because of what we do at the Tunnel to Towers, because you have viewers.

[Dana Perino]

All right, let's take it on the table, Kennedy.

[Kennedy]

What is Tunnel to Towers doing differently and more successfully than say states like California, which throw a lot of money at homelessness, but it tends to just proliferate the problem.

[Frank Siller]

So we recently bought many hotels. I talked about them last year a bit as well. So we take these hotels, we remodel. The first two top floors are permanent housing for, for our veterans, older veterans. We build comfort homes as well for the older veterans on these properties. But on the first floor we have all these comprehensive services that they, that they're going to need to assimilate back into society. So we have a mental health service, education programs, job training, substance abuse counseling. You have to have that. You know, they wouldn't be on the street, many of them if they weren't, you know, PTSD counseling for sure. And we help them transition back and, you know, assimilate back into society rather.

[Dana Perino]

Than just throwing money.

[Frank Siller]

You can't, you can't just. You give them hope, you give them a roof over the head, but you're.

[Dana Perino]

Getting them away in the interest of time. Can you tell us about paying off the mortgages? Because I feel like that is just something that gives the veterans families, especially for those that have fallen. And the widow, like we saw at the Patriot Awards, she was so amazing, so lovely and so relieved to have her mortgage paid off.

[Frank Siller]

So today, because it's Veterans Day, we paid off 25 gold star widows homes. Every one of them have young families. Why we do it today? Because it's Veterans Day. Let's remember that once again there's a sacrifice. Every one of them are don't have their father or mother around because they die for our families. The same for when we do. For over 2000 mortgage free homes we've delivered over the last year, over 2,000. And so there's 2,000 families without their.

[Dana Perino]

You know, and Tunnel to Towers is going strong.

[Frank Siller]

Yes, Tunnel, Towers are going strong. Can I name out some people are doing great things for us, if you don't mind. General Motors, Home Depot, T Mobile, American Express, the New York jets yesterday called me up. Woody Johnson is his mom. Betsy Johnson donated $1 million yesterday. New York Giants help us. But Fox, Fox is always number one. I'll tell you why, because you have me on a day like today, on Veterans day on the Five, the most watched show on TV here. To get the message out there, we need you $11 a month. We have people donate land now, their cars. You had the Mertz foundation gave me a piece of property in Florida that we're building one of these great villages for over 100 families down in Florida with a 20,000 square foot amenities center to bring all these families together. So it's pretty incredible what we've been able to do.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

God bless you. Thank you for being who you are.

[Dana Perino]

Thank you so much.

[Frank Siller]

Thank you, Frank.

[Dana Perino]

Thank you so much. Let me show you where you can find out how you can help. You just scan the QR code right there on your screen or you can go to t2t.org and it's well worth it. Up next, we're going to take a sharp turn here. Frank, you ready? Can showering in the dark help Jesse sleep like a baby?

[Harold Ford Jr.]

Think I'm going to relapse.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Said I'd never be back.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

Sick of obsessing over everything that we had. Hi folks. I'd like to.

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[Harold Ford Jr.]

Welcome back. People are now taking showers in complete darkness. And get this psychologist say it might actually help you sleep better because the dim light gets you into rest mode. Greg, you have a strong opinion about this. Is this something that you do or something?

[Greg Gutfeld]

This is another study done by men to protect men. Why would you shower in the dark? In case your wife walks in and you were doing something that wasn't involved in the showering process? Oh, honey, no. This is good for my health. I'm showering in the dark. Oh, well, that's strange. I'll leave you to it.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

Bp, do you see other here's what I say attributes here?

[Dana Perino]

I think this is about having your screens in your face too much, too long before you go to bed. You need to have more space between the phone, being away from your face and going to bed.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

Kennedy, your thoughts on this? Is this something that you've done?

[Kennedy]

Absolutely. I will do it. I shower at night. I'm a nighttime shower. I love doing everything in the dark. And I love eating apples in the shower.

[Dana Perino]

Shamed.

[Greg Gutfeld]

That's disgusting.

[Kennedy]

Yeah, thanks.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

Your name was invoked in the intro here. Is this something that you.

[Jesse Walters]

Yeah, I've been doing this accidentally. I can't figure out how to turn the light on in my shower. And so I just always show.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Hey, Jesse. It's the lower one.

[Dana Perino]

I get it.

[Jesse Walters]

I don't get it. I'm gonna pretend like I got it. Still don't get it.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Oh, God.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

One more Thing is up next.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Raindrops on roses and whiskers on kittens.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

Bright copper kettles.

[Jesse Walters]

It's time now for one more thing. Dana.

[Dana Perino]

Well, hey, it is Veterans Day, as we mentioned. And check out this hat. You could get it at the Fox Shop. And you can also join FOX in honoring our nation's veterans by making camo your cause and supporting Honor us Vets campaign. You snap a selfie, take a video, share your camo on socials by using HonorUSBets. And you can also donate to help US vets achieve their mission to end veteran homelessness by visiting Fox USVets. Go Fox USVets.

[Jesse Walters]

Where's your hat, Greg? You don't like veterans?

[Greg Gutfeld]

No, I'm wearing that where it's camouflaged. All right, tonight, Cat Tiv, Jamie Lissow, Erin McGuire, Joe Mackey. Tonight, 10.

[Jesse Walters]

All right, we got a wild video out of Florida. This guy is on the lam and he's hid from the SWAT in the ceiling, but he ate too much and he fell through the ceiling and now he's arrested tonight. Happy TDS Tuesday, Harold.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

Just before 2am A Michigan police officer, Muhammad Hakam, pulled over the speeding car. Thought it was going to be a routine thing. Turned out the lady was having the husband was taking her to have her baby. He helped deliver the baby on the side of the Congratulations. Cops are good.

[Greg Gutfeld]

She gave the baby after the cop.

[Jesse Walters]

That was the right time to do it.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

Tomorrow, listen to the 5 ad free on Amazon Music with your prime membership.

[Greg Gutfeld]

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