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Hello, everyone. I'm Dana Perino along with Kellyanne Conway, Harold Ford Jr. Jesse Waters, and Greg Gutfeld. It's five o' clock in New York City, and this is the five. President Trump vowing to clear out deadwood on day two of the shutdown. As both sides dig in for the long haul. The White House has been freezing billions in funds for Democratic state states, and the president was meeting with his budget chief, Russ Boat, in order to determine which, quote, Democrat agencies will be on the chopping block next. Meanwhile, after claiming Republicans are lying about illegal immigrants getting health care, some Democrats are just flat out admitting it.
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The amount of money that actually is.
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Going towards people who are undocumented is.
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Such a small portion. We got to make sure Americans have.
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The health care that they need.
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And if that means we got to.
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Shut this government down, so be it.
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AOC is taking some heat for the shutdown. Republicans say Chuck Schumer is basically a.
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This is so not about me. Because I saw some senators speculating about this and I saw some Republican members of Congress saying, oh, well, if we have this shut down, it's because of aoc.
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Well, if that's the case, my office.
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Is open and you are free to walk in and negotiate with me directly. There was a thought from the Republicans that AOC is directing this and she.
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Said that Senator senators are welcome to.
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Go to her office directly.
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Is she.
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Why are you.
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Why are you saying such a ridiculous thing?
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Amid all this shutdown drama, a meme war is being fought and the White House has been looping those Hakeem Jeffries sombrero AI pictures in the briefing room. And let's just say the minority leader and cnn, they are not finding this funny at all. They were playing that, that mariachi music as well over the loudspeakers for all the press that was coming in and out of the White House today. They simply don't care about that criticism.
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I'm actually referring to some of his.
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SOL Media posts which didn't seem to.
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Make a lot of sense.
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The sombrero and the mustache.
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Correct.
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But now Hakeem Jeffries seems to be leaning into the trolling.
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This year.
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They've done nothing, zip, zero, stingy with De Niro, nothing to lower the high.
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Cost of living for everyday Americans.
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Sing that rhyme, Jesse.
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I thought it was good. DJ Hakeem is really, really good. Dana. The Art of War. Everybody knows that you don't attack your enemy from a position of weakness. And that's what the Democrats are doing. They are a party that's never been weaker, and they have decided to go all in. And they have so much more to lose. All their pet projects, their windmills, their bureaucrats. And the world keeps spinning during the government shutdown, and people are starting to realize, wait a second. Maybe we don't need this big, fat, bloated government. Everything seems to be working fine. The messaging war is embarrassing. All they're talking about is sombreros and health care for illegal aliens. And then aoc, she triggers the Schumer shutdown, and then she bigfoots Hakeem so badly, Nancy has to come in and rescue her. The Obamacare bailout put aside the illegal alien health care. This is what this is about. They created this program that was supposed to help people with health insurance, and it quadrupled the price of everything. So they're basically holding the government hostage and making Trump fix a problem that they created. Dana, permission to make an analogy?
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No.
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This is like when your wife forces you to buy an expensive car, and then she just wrecks it over and over again, and it's always stuck in the shop. But she wants to go out, right? But she won't take an Uber. She won't be seen in an Uber. She calls you cheap. So you know what you do? You sit on the couch, you say, fine, babe. I'm just gonna sit down, order pizza, and watch football. You're the one that needs to go out and shop and get their nails done. This is a war they cannot win. You're playing chicken with the guy that loves sitting down.
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I love your analogies.
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Thank you.
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I will always grant permission. Kellyanne. I don't. There's lots of different places you could take this, but from a messaging standpoint, it feels to me that President Trump has a much stronger hand to play and that the Democrats have a weak hand, but they're overplaying it.
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They are. Look, Donald Trump is making trade deals and peace deals and tax deals. He's sitting down with world leaders. And you have Hakeem Jeffries sitting down with his fellow Democrat, Jake Tapper, talking about sombreros and mustaches. You see who's owning them. President Trump is owning them online, but he's owning them offline. And that's more important here, Dana. President Trump has basically said to the world, quite transparently today, there's so much we can do during this shutdown. He's never shut down. He exhausts staffers one third his age, and he's saying, wow, now would be a good time to doge all the stuff we didn't Doge, frankly. Now we can examine projects. Hey, folks, it's not like Donald Trump is saying I'm going to use the power of government to say raid your home, investigate, insult, impeach, indict you, threaten your kids, ruin your business. Say he's going to, you're going to be put in the big house and never get in the White House. He's using the government organs to make sure that we are spending taxpayer dollars on things that align with our values as Americans. Guess what? Second Avenue, subway, bridges and tunnels, all these infrastructure projects, Dana, I want them on meritocracy. I want them on safety, not on sex and race. If these contracts were given out for DEI reasons and we'll see Russ Vogt, who lives for this stuff, I love it. Former colleague in the White House. He is saying that. We're pausing, we're reviewing, we're examining. That's what President Trump was elected to do. I think that the Democrats, they lack leadership and joy, they lack vision, they lack any kind of response to Trump. But they're missing something else. I was in THE situation room on January 4, 2019, when we were on the verge of a government shutdown. The Democrats shut the government down over border funding and they had to own it for 30 some days. In that meeting, Pelosi commanded the room. When it was time for the Democrats to speak, Schumer said absolutely nothing. The same Schumer six and a half years later is terrible at this. I think, Hakeem, I think they just don't have a really good messenger. They don't just have a communications problem. I think this time the Democrats have a fact problem.
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Harold, what do you think the Democrats should do next?
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So good to be with everybody. Let me put level, set this for a moment. In the last 48 years, we have not had Congress do its required work, meaning to avoid a moment like this. So they're supposed to pass all the appropriations bills or 13 of them, they're supposed to pass. They've not done that but four times in 48 years. The last time they did it, I was a first term congressman back in 1997. They did it in 77, 89, 95, 97. We sometimes like to keep partisan marks here. There were three Democrats, one Republican, that being done, two. I believe in consistency. And I've said all along when the Republicans, when you guys, when we talked about the last shutdown, there have been six closures in 30 years, the last three decades. I thought it was wrong for Democrats not to pass a clean CR And I thought the president was wrong then not to ask his party to pass a clean cr. Keep government open and let's figure out the stuff on the border because the wal I was a supporter of building the wall and this is sincere. I wish Democrats would get back and I understand where the young fellow from Maine, the congressman, the Democrat who voted in favor of the clean CR and I think Democrats should tell Republicans this. We're going to have four to five weeks to figure out what we do on health care. Now, I differ with those you around the table. I think this health care thing is a lot more serious than we think. 50 million Americans, 50 get their health care from the Affordable Care Act. We call it Obamacare. To give you a sense, if you live in Florida, 3.3 million Floridians are on it. The second biggest state is Texas. They're 2.4 million. And the fourth biggest is Georgia with 880,000. My home state of Tennessee has 350,000 people who their health insurance comes from Obamacare. What Democrats are upset about is that come mid November, the premiums are going to go way up.
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Why?
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Well, because health insurance, why? I'll tell you why. Innovation in health care inflation. And there are a number of reasons why it's going. It's going up for your health care and my health care both are going up.
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So.
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So when we passed the big beautiful bill and prior to that, the tax bill that the president, you guys passed in 2017, when President Trump got elected again for the second time, he said, you have to renew my tax cuts. I actually thought a lot of that was right because if you raise taxes on a number, on a whole number of people, you would disrupt the economy. The same is true with health care. If you raise health premiums on 50 million Americans, not to mention those who are already impacted by the big beautiful bill and those who are impacted by Medicaid, that essentially is a tax increase on those people. So I hope Democrats can get back to the table. I'm a contrarian here with my party, Jesse. I'm saying get back. I'm consistent vote for the clean CR and hold their feet to the fire and make it clear you will close the government down again with reason if they don't come in negotiating good faith to not only deal with the Medicaid issue, but most importantly to deal with the Affordable Care Act. That's what I would be doing if.
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I was one of the Affordable Care act problems. And then I'll give it to the floor to you, Greg. Is that the rules are such that they have forced out all the healthy people. So then you have a smaller pool of people who are not healthy. And it's just like it's a screwed up market and we should have an honest conversation about all the problems.
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So should we, should we minus those.
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People out of health care, then I think that we should be honest about, like, how bad the situation is and how a free market could help. But that was my position back in 20 whatever when Obama did that. What do you think about the Democrats all day yesterday saying it wasn't about health care?
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Well, I just want to. I just want to. Look, I have some information to respond with. To respond to. Harold, if you. Where is it?
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That's because you have health care and you got the biggest part.
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Yes, I am a rich, white conservative. I love it when Trump says he wants to get rid of Deadwood immediately. John Kerry went into hiding. But I love that Trump makes shutdowns fun because he makes everything fun with the memes. Poor Hakeem Jeffries, or as some like to call him, the straight obi Obama. He doesn't, he doesn't know how to react to silly jokes. So he says, I'll just join in. And he's so stilted it's painful. But they got to understand only the right can do memes because memes find truth and absurdity, which is why the left and the woke is such a rich target. But you can't do it in reverse. The left are terrible at it because they're the absurdity in the equation, so they can't even see outside themselves. It's easy to. For us to lampoon them. How do you lampoon us? We don't want men and women's sports. We want a tight border. You know, we want a reduction in crime. Good luck lampooning that. But like, you know, defunding the cops. We can lampoon that. Dudes in dresses showing off their junk to kids. That's pretty easy. Guys, maybe change your policies and stop worrying about the sombreros. Which gets to my bigger point about this issue. It's not about the issue at all. The memes are telling the Democrats and the media, especially the. Who's the lady with the teenage boy voice? Caitlin Connor. Yeah, Collins. We're telling you, we don't care what you think anymore. The accusation of racism doesn't fly because you said it about everything. You said sports were racist, fitness was racist, food was racist, inheritance taxes were racist. So we're taking your only tool and we're Turning it into a joke. The sombrero totally just chaps your hide. We laugh. We're not running away from you. We're running at you. And we're laughing all the way. As Scott Adams says, this is a breakout moment. This is breakout mode for the Republican Party. And it's another lesson that we learned from Trump. We learned that Democrats treat tax dollars like musical chairs. Oh, it's not going to illegals, they say. That's true. You don't hand 10 grand right there when they walk in across the border. No, but you slip it into the COVID relief bill, then jack it all up, and then you try to make it temporary. Or you say, we don't pay for illegal health care. Well, the states do. And how are the states able to do it? Because the federal government gives them money to spend on other things so they could spend it there. It's an opportunity cost. Democrats are like the dude with the EBT card that was meant for milk and bread, but they end up buying cigarettes and liquor for their homie.
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For their homie.
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In your face, Harold.
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All I know is when you all did that shutdown in 17 and you.
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Predicted wave of 1959 cr one more time.
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I just kind of like, play battle rules every once in a while. Okay.
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Coming up, Portland's mostly peaceful protesters are burning MAGA hats. Drop everything now Meet me in the.
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Foreign rain Kiss me on the sidewalk Take away the pain Cause I see Spot. This week on the Fox True Crime podcast, I'm joined by retired FBI Special Agent Stacy Perkins as she discusses the bureau's Innocent Images initiative and the many child predators she has helped to bring down.
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Listen and follow now@FoxTrueCrime.com.
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When everybody was a monkey, we had a fight.
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I have the voice. Portland pyromaniacs were torching MAGA hats as Trump's crime crackdown ramps up. Federal agents making arrests outside of the ICE facility that's been a flash point for protests. And over in Cali, Louisiana, Mayor Karen Bass was fanning the flames. Hope she could put him out by saying agents are hunting Latinos.
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The President of the United States wants to turn the US Military against the American people, essentially saying go in primarily inner city communities and shoot people. Racial profiling of Latinos, which we refer to here as the hunting of Latinos, that has created a blanket of fear. They are trying to dial us back to the 1940s, and that is a tragedy for the American people.
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You know, Harold, Memphis is your town. You were born there on May 11, 1970. You got my card.
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It's the home of hospital.
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It's the home of legendary Sun Studios, Graceland, and where the Goo Goo Cluster was invented. Seems like a good place to sit. And yet you've seen it decline crime, and now Trump is trying to save it. Do you salute him for helping to.
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I've said for weeks I do. I wish that we were able to send not only the National Guard, but ATF and FBI and other agencies in addition to ICE to help police departments combat crime. I've even taken it a step further. I think we need a national crime bill because you can't sustain the National Guard being on the ground and all these federal resources. We hadn't had a crime bill in now 31 years. Bill Clinton was the last one to do it. President Trump has a unique opportunity and a real opportunity here to not only do what he's doing now, but to sustain it. I think people who live in Memphis and people live all across the country, if you tell them, I'm going to reduce crime in your neighborhoods, I'm going to reduce fatalities in your neighborhood, I'm going to make it easier and safer for your kids to go to school and for you to go to church and go to work. I don't know anyone who would be objected to that. Now, there are people who object to President Trump, but I don't know anyone who would object to those conditions permeating their community.
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I do.
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Yeah.
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Everyone that's in office. You're against this? No. You're saying that there's no one who's rejecting the help.
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I said people in those communities. The politicians.
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Well, the politicians are the problem.
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Let me make sure you understand what I'm saying.
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They are. Well, I appreciate that, Harold, but just like the claim that the Democrats should vote for the clean cr, and very few, if any, do and come back to the table and they don't. They go on CNN to wh are trying to do the meme war. Same thing here. The people who are representing the people are denying them access to law enforcement and the National Guard coming in to clean up the streets to do in their cities what President Trump's done in my beloved Washington, D.C. i live in the heart of it. He's made it more beautiful and safer and more secure and more livable. And he had a mayor there who negotiated, capitulated, played ball.
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The mayor of Memphis is, too. He's a Democrat, too.
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Well, and this is the problem. They're not letting them in. Pritzker and Brandon Johnson, awful mayor of Chicago as awful as the last one that he replaced. They're just saying no to help. And they're depriving the people who need them the most. Look, and I have to say something else. They're still name calling three weeks after the assassination of our friend. Everybody's still a fascist. Everybody's still a dictator. Calling the president that and his supporters and these Democratic sitting members of Congress, Harold, who, who are in safe seats, Frost and Talib and AOC High on her own supply of nonsense. She's, I think she's named two post office. What bill has she passed? She wants to be president. She could be president, just not of this country. And you know, I'm really tired of people because they don't like President Trump saying no to law enforcement, to border patrol, to cops. I mean, what Stephen Miller and Pam Bondi and Pete Hegseth did yesterday on the ground in Memphis saying to the police, there you are empowered local police. You now have federal help, and this is to protect the people. Instead of Gavin Newsom and Hakeem Jeffries online, why don't they do something about New York, San Francisco, Louisiana.
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Jesse, I mean, you can't invoke my name.
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No, I'm not invoking your democracy. They should listen to you.
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You kids over there, knock it off. Jesse. So Bass is conflating Latinos with illegal aliens. Then she uses the term hunting to make it sound like some sinister predatory attack. How is leadership, especially as, as Kellyanne says after Kirk's death? It's pretty brazen.
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Yeah. We have the Olympics coming up in the summer of 28 and she's running for reelection. And if she wins, she's going to be the mayor of L. A during the Olympics. That is going to be horrible. She's also going to have to work with Trump during the Olympics. She is a mess. I am beginning to think Democrats enjoy electing stupid people. And I'm also getting the feeling that the donors, like when the politicians are stupid because they can do whatever they want behind the politicians back and it doesn't even matter. They get away with anything. Stupid people, it's been famously said, are more dangerous than evil people. Evil people you can confront, expose and contain stupid people. They don't listen to facts, they don't listen to reason, and oftentimes they don't really succumb to force. And so when you get a stupid person, that gets a little confidence, yeah, that's the worst, that's the most dangerous. And you have to be very careful around stupid people.
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Do you think you fall in that? Where do you think, Terrence?
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That's why they gave him prime time, Dana. So this lady, Karen Bass, runs a city and she couldn't put out a fire. And to this day, I think less than a handful of permits have been approved to rebuild. And this is what she's doing. Again, there is absolutely no accountability from her own party.
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There's not, there's no outrage. I mean, I don't see any outrage there. And I know that there's probably a lot of people that don't even want to run for office. The thing that she was talking about, she said they're hunting. She said ICE is hunting illegal immigrants. Just last week, on Wednesday morning, the breaking news that Bill Hemmer and I had was that you had a criminal on a rooftop who was actually hunting ICE and killed two detainees instead. Where's the outrage on their behalf? But they continue. They keep where they want to spin it up. One thing about D.C. is that again, it's a split screen situation, like with the border. And you'd have Karine, Jean Pierre and Mallorca say the border is closed. And then our split screen was like, what actually did you just see? People just walk across? It's the same in D.C. you have these National Guard troops who were there taking pictures with people and you have that footage and you have the mayor who's, yeah, at first she was like, oh, gosh, here we go. But she decided to embrace it. She's gotten through that. The city is safer. So they have an outcome. So the more that you see those outcomes, the better it gets for Trump, the worse it gets for the ones who are resisting, like in Chicago.
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Excellent point, Dana. Up next, Lahore Vagistan is ready to teach your children at Harvard.
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There is somewhere, someplace in the world I want to take you. 600.
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Hi, this is Dave Anthony.
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Today on the FOX News Rundown podcast, the race for governor in New Jersey. Polls show it's close and it's one of just three elections being closely followed this fall.
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President Trump is taking his war on elite WOKE universities to the next level. The White house is asking U.S. colleges to sign a deal on some sweeping terms in order to get preferential access to federal funds. Nine initial schools are invited to join a compact banning use of race or sex in admissions and to stop raising tuition costs for five years, limit international student enrollment. That could be bad news for Harvard, who seem to be doubling down on woke. Case in point, Harvard just hired A drag queen with a name so filthy even Jesse would turn red. As a visiting professor, he's set to teach a spring class on RuPaul's Drag Race. Goodness, Dana, this is Harvard, I think, what, 4 or 5% admissions. And if I see that on someone's resume, once a job, I'm going to ask if they've taken this class or.
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Badges and I want a full report. I want to see the pictures and everything. Just kidding. I don't. Jesse does. I said I would ask for him.
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We'll have it tonight at 8 o'.
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Clock. I think that when you look at just how far academia has gone, that and you see how fast the Trump train is moving in terms of policy, it's like a lot of things, they're just slamming the brakes on things that have gone way so far left that even if it gets back to a little bit of more, even if it's just like slightly left now, that would be a big win for a lot of places. I also think that there are parents that are relieved, probably some professors who are relieved and probably some who think that this is not what they want to do. They want to create some sort of private university like the University of Austin did down in Texas. Great. You knock yourselves out and let the free market figure it out.
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And speaking of the market, Jesse, this also includes a cap on international student enrollment, 15%. They're trying to create a more welcoming climate for conservatives. So stop banning their free speech rights and have a quote marketplace of ideas. I think these are pretty reasonable. Asks, would you send any of your kids to an Ivy League school at this point?
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Well, Jesse's going early decision, Stanford. After reading about Lahore Vagistan, we've totally changed our position. Someone is going to go to Harvard. And I think we know what we mean when we say someone will be accepted and this certain someone will take this Vagistan class and they'll do well and they'll graduate and then they will be unleashed on the world with a Harvard degree. They will be hired because of the degree by a prominent company. And then they will use that power in the prominent company to make everyone's life hell. And they'll do this for as long as they can until they make everyone's life hell inside the company. And then there'll be a lawsuit that's going to cost the company money. And then that person will be escorted out of the company with a huge axe to grind and a Harvard diploma. And for the rest of their life, they'll make everybody pay for It Trump is the best at extracting things from people. He's done it with allies, trade partners, and now he's doing it with the Ivy League. I would like him to see him extract some concessions to get prices down. If he does this with insurance companies, if he does this with hospitals, if he does this that way, then maybe we could get people to start living a little bit more. I'm talking about these insurance companies, Dana. People can't afford the insurance anymore, so they have to do something about that. And if he has to knock some heads together, let him do it.
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Harold. I'm 100% pro life. I understand why people are pro choice. I'm 100% for the Second Amendment. I understand why when there's a school shooting, people say, do something, do something, do something. I will never understand, abide, acknowledge or accept that an entire political party is against school choice. Getting these kids out of these failing schools where they're trapped. Let the money follow them that we're all going to pay anyway in our taxes and, and let their parents have a say where they go to school and what is taught there.
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I'm going to answer that. Then I'm going to answer this question.
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If you can answer that and then tell us. It goes all the way up, I think to the woke.
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Kellyanne, I think that's a brilliant question. I've been a proponent and I have a lot of Democratic friends and people I served in Congress with who were normally Republicans have been reluctant to see federal takeovers of things. What President Trump is doing with the universities is basically saying, I need you to sign a contract for me to continue, for us to continue providing resources for research in medicine and technology and aerospace and robotics and many things they do in exchange for you. If you want those dollars, you have to do these things. I would love for him to do the same thing at the K through 12 level. I get beat up around this table because I've said I want more Federal involvement in K12 education for the single reason that you that animated your question. Our schools suck most of them. Many of our public schools are not measuring up to what these kids need to be learning. What I like about what President Trump has done with the universities is he's trying to do it with the tuition. We talked about that around this table about how is it that the numbers keep going up and there's no correlation between the job you get and the amount of money you've been loaned or you had to borrow to go to that school. We ought to deal with that issue, and the president ought to deal with it in a big way. For Republicans that like, or people who support President Trump who like what he's doing with these universities, I remind you of one thing. This president is a tough one. It could be a dangerous one, because once you have a Democrat again who says, you know what? I want to now go to universities, Ivies and other state universities and others and say, you know what? You're going, going to not get federal money unless you do what I want you to do. Unless you have an agenda that is consistent with what I think is right, I think that's wrong. We have great universities in this country. Some are Ivy, many are Ivy, many are not, who are contributing to making America a much stronger and better place. People come from around the world to our schools. So make them better, Mr. President. The best thing you can do is to make them cheaper, to make them more accessible and hopefully build some of these vocational schools. The president talked about that he and the Secretary of Education were negotiating with Harvard.
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Greg, a White House official told me just yesterday that DEI probably cost the federal government about $95 billion and counting. So it really is about the way we're spending taxpayer dollars. Look, big Tech, Hollywood, media, academia, mosa, Wall street, NATO, un. All of these institutions were against Trump. He's bringing them all to heel. Who's next?
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While you're talking? All I'm seeing is Lahore. Vagistan, Vagistan. There's a country I'd like to invade.
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Peacefully.
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Peacefully. Tough to penetrate. My question I want to pick up. Harold mentioned something that we haven't talked about, and this is the funding of trade schools. I love the idea.
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Has been a big proponent of that for a long.
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Can you let me finish, Harold? Start calling you Jessica deserves credit.
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All right.
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I love the idea of plumbers getting a degree from Harvard. Think about that. Parents can now brag that their son Jimmy is going to Harvard to get a welding degree. It completely trashes the elitist currency that the diploma became. Harvard's education actually was superfluous. All it really was, the degree was, was key to the executive washroom, so you could rub elbows with seven or eight other people making, you know, nine or ten figures a year. Trump is essentially making academia great again, and he's doing it in a class warfare manner that true liberals should embrace. You want to erase class lines, trade schools from Harvard. I mean, where a degree in construction is so much cooler than drag queen studies. What's also amazing to me, and it's that the solution, which was withholding federal money in order to get academia to deliver the goods. This should have been done years ago. For years I read these thick books by esteemed conservatives, many now never trumpers who were selling point was always trashing academia, always trashing leftism. But that's all they offered was the book. They never did anything. They never had any solutions. Did Bill Kristol ever say this or Jonah Goldberg? No. Then you got Trump. He's doing exactly what no Republican, no Nash review editor ever had the cajones to suggest or do. He's dismantling the leftist anti west regime of the Ivy League. And where now all these pipe smoking conservatives are going, why don't I think of that? It's because you're a douchebag. Oh, wow.
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Rich Lowry, hardest hit.
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Up next.
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I love him though. I do.
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I do too.
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Sleepy Joe Bagistan needed flashcards to remember Hillary Clinton.
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That's the baby.
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Break down. Go ahead, give it to me. Break down, honey, take me through the night.
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If you're an illegal alien. I'm Dana Perino. This week on Perino on Politics, I am joined by executive vice president at Targeted victory Matt Gorman.
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I'm a smoker. I'm a midnight to girl. Auto pen alert. Unearthed note cards show Biden's handlers gave him photo reminders of what fellow Democrats look like because apparently Joe couldn't remember Hillary's cackling mug or Hollywood superstar Denzel Washington. Sleepy worked with Chuck Schumer in the Senate for 12 years. And yet Chuck's goofy grin was on there, too. Four of the five cards bore the stamp President has seen the lone exception. The one spoon feeding Joe a scripted softball from ABC News so he wouldn't trip over his own words. Dana, how do you think Joe got the question ahead of time from abc?
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Well, I would imagine from the press secretary from Corinne, but can you put that, can you put it back up the one with the ABC News one, please? Because this is what I think is really strange. Why do they have to capital put in all caps? How do you view the, how do you think about your place? I really, I find this like so strange. But also it's disturbing. But it's also confirming.
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Yes.
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Okay, so it's like I used to think for a long time I thought that Biden's handlers were over the top. Like, come on, really? This is too much. Just let him be. Let Joe be Joe. Whatever that whole thing Was. And now I realize, oh, my gosh. He needed a reminder, you know, Daniel, to know Chuck Schumer.
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In a couple years, we're going to do those for Greg. No, I'm Jesse, this is Harold. How old are you?
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70. Yeah, I'm almost 80. It's amazing what the blood of orphans.
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Do, you know, you look great.
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He did not know what, who or what Denzel looked like. I mean, I think they were kind of scared Joe might go up to him and tell him he loved him and Driving Miss Daisy or say, you know, you had an amazing career with the Bulls. Or he might just, he might just hand his jacket over to Denzel, say, check my coat, fella, you know, and they' a nice tip for you, Corn Pop. Everything coming out about Joe Biden is a foul reminder not of him, but the putrid stench of the complicit media. We don't need to be educated on this. We knew this. But now the media has to accept that the rest of America knows about your corruption, your cover up. There's no way you're never going to get your credibility back. How can you? I don't literally. Do not take anything from the MSM seriously about anything. I see something, I throw it away. Poll, you name it. They lied about the most important political story in my lifetime. They lost all trust. And I don't. I've said this to you, Harold, and I know you got a job here to do so I know why you're still a Democrat. But I don't see how everyday Democrats are okay with this. Why aren't you seething? They took you for suckers, they gaslit you and they assumed you were dumb enough to fall for this. I would leave the party if I were a Democrat. It's like you're an abusive relationship, you know? I don't understand it, Harold.
C
On a scale of 1 to 10, how dumb do you feel?
B
Not at all. I'd say a couple of things. I don't want anybody around the table to take this the wrong way or anybody. I don't understand why after nine months of President Trump being in office and some of the incredible things he's doing, some of the controversial things he's doing, some of the aspirational things he's doing. We're still kicking this guy who clearly.
D
He kicked us for four years.
E
Oh, my goodness.
D
He called me a racist. He called all of us white supremacists.
B
We have an election process. He didn't cover, he didn't call. He didn't call you did you see that speech?
D
If you're a Trump supporter, but history.
B
Will have the last say on this. His legacy at best is going to be mixed. But I just. I can't kick a guy who's down like this.
D
I kick him for you.
B
Clearly you. You are. But I'm saying I just, I can't do it.
C
And look, let's turn it over to someone who will do it.
E
Hello. If I can see the one with Hillary at the bottom, because I want to focus on her for a second. She's the gift that keeps on giving, Harold. She lost a long time ago, was never in the White House as president, but I love that she's at the bottom. And it says, quote, hillary Clinton was the Secretary of State in the Obama Biden administration. Whoa. She's not alphabetically. She'd be number two at ladies first. She'd be number one. They stuck her at the bottom of the pile. Nice picture. But they stuck her there and basically really took her out by saying she worked for me when I was vice president. Look, it is all relevant, Harold, because of what Greg said. This man was president for four years. We're still living under the yoke of so many of their policy prescriptions that Trump people can't pull them out root and branch. Oh, my God. Every di. Climate change, open border. Ask Lake and Riley's family. Ask Charles and Negorty's. I mean, this is real people impact. Ask the people from Abby Gate in Afghanistan. The list goes on and on. But Greg is right. We're really focused on the people who enable this, who should have known better, who didn't need palm cards to see that this man was compromised. The commander in chief was compromised right before our eyes. And anybody who dares said it using their eyes and ears as their only skill set, was shouted down and called names that are now costing people their freedom and their lives.
C
Lives.
B
All right, who we blame in next.
C
The fastest is up next.
B
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D
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You download your favorite podcasts. Welcome back. Parents are officially bringing back the landline. I'm one of them. Yep. The curly cord and all to help distract kids away from screens and social media. Do your kids, the girls, do they use a landline?
C
No, they don't. But I like the landline. I got one of those thick neck devices that goes on the other end of it so you don't have to, like, crank your neck too far away. You can just leave your head on straight. And I talk to my parents all day long on my landline. And then when I get called waiting, someone calls. And then I put the phone down and I have the nice little dial up thing like that. You know, Harold, you have to make precautions when the power goes down. How am I going to order takeout?
B
That's a good question, Kellyanne.
E
All my kids have cell phones. I had a landline because I'm an old lady. I had the round one that was really cool. And it was a distraction for the rest of my life. My homework, my chores. But look, I understand why people want to do this. They want to see their kids outside of their rooms looking up at them. And if you're on the landline in the kitchen, like Kylie Kelsey, who is married to the Philadelphia eagle, Kelsey, go birds. Then you know that those kids are not going to say certain things are going to limit the time. She's got four daughters. Everyone's going to have a time limit on the phone. We used to do the emergency breakthrough if we wanted to get. Look, I like a lot of the throwback stuff. I think it's nostalgic. But I also think it is a good way to temper the overuse of cell phones.
B
Greg.
D
You know, as a serial killer on the loose, I love a good landline because they're easy to snip. You come into the house late at night, you see where the landline is. I just come along like this. I just follow it, and then I get there and I snip it off. Here's the deal. These little throwbacks are status signals to handicap. Like, look at me handicap myself. Makes me seem enlightened and precious. Like I chop my own wood. I make my own ice cream. I. I don't know, bp.
A
I love it. I also think that for kids like you, just make it a novelty. Like, isn't this cool? This is cool. And then they can feel like they have neat. You just have to, like, you know, fake it.
B
My kids do it. I make them write the numbers down that they're going to call. I mean, it's a whole exercise and not just using these phones. Anything gets them off of this.
C
My. My daughter tried to take a picture with the landline. I was like, it's not an iPhone.
B
Bless her heart. One more thing is up next.
D
Was here, chief.
A
Oh, if you only knew. Time for one More thing.
C
Jesse, do you want to smell like your backyard grill? Dana?
A
No.
C
That's a yes. I'm not taking no for an answer. Well, now Progresso has your back or your pits. The soup giant putting out a limited edition deodorant barbecue deodorant celebrating its new line of barbecue pit master soups. You get a little deodorant after you get a little smoke out there. Fix you right up. Tonight, Jesse Waters primetime, a former member of Antifa. They were in Antifa for 10 years. They're about to spill.
A
All right, I have a little Dana's baby brigade. Here we go. There we go.
D
You don't like my baby?
A
I love your baby. All right. I want to welcome to this planet, this world Olive Elizabeth Reed. She is the daughter of Colin and Andrea. She was born yesterday, 7lbs 2oz. She's named after her grandmother and she's super cute.
C
It's not a Fritz.
A
It's not a Fritz. This time I just want to make sure. Colin Reed and Andrea Wood's baby.
D
Okay, tonight we got a great show. 10pm Rich Voss. Catch him, Tyrus. Let's do this. All right. We're gonna play the animal sounds. Play the sound one more time.
B
All right.
D
We're gonna start with you, Kellyanne. What is it?
E
That's a sleeping bear.
D
Sleeping bear harrow.
B
Elephant.
D
It's an elephant.
C
Hippopotamus.
A
Ah, Live on hippo.
D
No, you wrote Joy Behar. Let's roll. That's a tiger. At the Cleveland Metro Zoo, they sleep an average of of 16 to 20 hours a day. Much like you, Harold.
E
Know him.
A
Harold. Speaking of you go.
B
Brenda Whitaker started this job as a a crossing guard in Florida to see her granddaughter more. And she ends up being the Seminole crossing guard of the year. She said she'll keep doing it. Listen this. As long as the good Lord allows me to stand upright. God bless you.
A
We'll get you next time. And that's it for us. Have a great night.
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Podcast: The Five (FOX News Podcasts)
Episode Date: October 2, 2025
Hosts: Dana Perino (A), Kellyanne Conway (E), Harold Ford Jr. (B), Jesse Watters (C), Greg Gutfeld (D)
This episode of The Five covers the latest on the government shutdown, President Trump's strategy to “clear out dead wood,” debates about Democrat and Republican positions, the meme war in political discourse, law enforcement and crime policy, Trump’s move against elite universities, media credibility, throwback parenting trends, and some lighter team banter. The voices are sharp, often humorous, and sometimes confrontational, keeping the tone dynamic with a mix of political analysis and pop culture.
Trump's Tactics: President Trump is openly leveraging the shutdown to freeze funds for Democratic states and target agencies for removal. He consults with budget chief Russ Vought on which “Democrat agencies” are next. (00:04)
Democrats and Health Care: Claims surface about Democrats admitting that some state money goes to undocumented immigrants’ health care, though they argue it’s minimal. (00:45)
Republican Position: The hosts see Trump as holding the stronger hand. Democrats are accused of overplaying a weak one and lacking effective leadership or messaging. (04:17)
AOC’s Role: Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez is named as a scapegoat by some Republicans for the shutdown, but she sarcastically invites negotiation (01:21).
"President Trump has basically said to the world, quite transparently today, there's so much we can do during this shutdown." – Kellyanne Conway (04:33)
"They [Democrats] just don't have a really good messenger...This time the Democrats have a fact problem." – Kellyanne Conway (06:10)
White House Trolling: Trump supporters are deploying memes (like Hakeem Jeffries in a sombrero with mariachi music) in the press room, which riles Democrats and the media (01:37).
Effectiveness: The panel agrees that Republicans, thanks to Trump, have mastered the art of memes. The left, they argue, struggles because "memes find truth in absurdity," and the left is "the absurdity." (10:07)
Cultural Critique: Greg Gutfeld notes that accusations of racism no longer land, as they've been overused and are now fodder for mockery.
"Only the right can do memes because memes find truth and absurdity, which is why the left and the woke is such a rich target." – Greg Gutfeld (10:11)
Harold’s Perspective: Ford Jr. provides historical context, noting that in 48 years, Congress has only completed its budgeting duties four times (06:40). He stresses the importance of health care (noting millions rely on the ACA), warns against rising premiums, and calls for negotiation over a clean CR.
Structural Issues: Perino highlights a central flaw of the ACA, where healthy people are pushed out, making it unsustainable. The need for honest debate is stressed (09:25).
Crime and Law Enforcement:
Trump is sending federal agents to cities like Memphis to fight rising crime, sparking debates over federal vs. local control.
"If you tell them, I'm going to reduce crime in your neighborhoods...I don't know anyone who would object to that." – Harold Ford Jr. (15:09)
Controversial Leadership:
Karen Bass (LA mayor) is criticized for claiming agents are “hunting Latinos” (13:59), sparking outcry about dangerous rhetoric and lack of accountability among Democratic leaders.
“Stupid people, it’s been famously said, are more dangerous than evil people.” – Jesse Watters (18:44)
Crackdown on “Woke” Universities:
Trump’s White House asks colleges to sign compacts banning race/sex-based admissions, capping tuition, and limiting international students to receive federal funds (21:21).
"Trump is essentially making academia great again, and he's doing it in a class warfare manner that true liberals should embrace." – Greg Gutfeld (28:01)
Concerns Raised:
Harold Ford Jr. cautions that federal intervention could become dangerous precedent for future Democratic administrations to push their own agendas (25:19).
Biden’s “Cheat Sheets”:
Discussion about photos revealing that President Biden required flashcards with pictures of fellow Democrats and journalists, reigniting concerns about his competency (30:23).
“Everything coming out about Joe Biden is a foul reminder not of him, but the putrid stench of the complicit media.” – Greg Gutfeld (32:02)
Symbols and Perception:
Dissecting the placement of Hillary Clinton on Biden’s cheat sheet as diminutive and emblematic of her fall from Democratic leadership (34:20).
Dana Perino:
"It feels to me that President Trump has a much stronger hand to play and that the Democrats have a weak hand, but they're overplaying it." (04:17)
Jesse Watters:
"I'm beginning to think Democrats enjoy electing stupid people. And I'm also getting the feeling that the donors, like when the politicians are stupid, because they can do whatever they want..." (18:06)
Greg Gutfeld:
"Memes find truth and absurdity, which is why the left and the woke is such a rich target... but you can't do it in reverse." (10:11)
Kellyanne Conway:
"President Trump has basically said to the world, quite transparently today, there's so much we can do during this shutdown." (04:33)
Harold Ford Jr.:
“If you tell them, I'm going to reduce crime in your neighborhoods...I don't know anyone who would be objected to that." (15:09)
Greg Gutfeld:
"Trump is essentially making academia great again..." (28:01)
Dana Perino:
"I want them [infrastructure projects] on meritocracy. I want them on safety, not on sex and race. If these contracts were given out for DEI reasons...we're pausing, we're reviewing, we're examining." (05:06)
Jesse Watters:
"This is like when your wife forces you to buy an expensive car, and then she just wrecks it over and over again...You're playing chicken with the guy that loves sitting down." (03:41)
The episode is high-energy, sarcastic, and openly partisan, with humor, analogies, and pop culture references woven through substantive policy debates. The hosts frequently interrupt and poke fun at each other, especially during lighter segments, maintaining a familiar, often irreverent Fox News “Five” dynamic.
"Clear Out Dead Wood" offers a spirited, at times irreverent, debate on the shutdown, Trump’s strategic moves, Democratic messaging, health care policy, campus culture wars, and the decline of media trust. The team balances sharp critiques and humor, capturing both the gravity and absurdity of the current moment in American politics, all while covering both headline issues and lighter cultural commentary.