Day 18 Of Desperate Search For Nancy Guthrie

Summary

The Five – Day 18 Of Desperate Search For Nancy Guthrie

FOX News Podcasts – February 19, 2026

Episode Overview

This episode of The Five covers a whirlwind of the day's most debated topics, ranging from updates in the Nancy Guthrie missing persons case to cultural controversies in late night TV, environmental crises in Washington D.C., Democratic party maneuvering for 2028, dietary trends with RFK Jr., and some lighter legal news about food labeling. The panel—Greg Gutfeld, Emily Compagno, Harold Ford Jr., Joey Jones, and Dana Perino—debate, analyze, and banter about the headlines in their signature style: blunt, witty, and sometimes biting.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Nancy Guthrie Missing Persons Case (00:41–02:16)

• Update & Cross-Border Investigations: The show leads with day 18 of the search for Nancy Guthrie. Matt Finn provides the latest from Tucson, emphasizing the proximity to Mexico and speculation about cartel involvement, though no direct link is established.
• Agency Collaboration: Rumors of friction between local law enforcement and the FBI are dispelled; cooperation is reportedly strong.
  • Quote: “The FBI has likely been in touch with Mexico since the start...these agencies are getting along just fine on the ground.” — Matt Finn (01:14)

2. CBS, Colbert, and the Equal Time Rule Controversy (02:16–10:12)

• Background: CBS allegedly blocked Stephen Colbert from airing an interview with Texas Senate candidate James Talarico due to concerns about FCC’s “equal time” rule. This became a point of media outrage and partisan speculation.
• Colbert's Reaction: Colbert expresses frustration and claims surprise at CBS’ legal caution.
  • Quote: “I’m just so surprised that this giant global corporation would not stand up to these bullies. I don’t even know what to do with this crap.” — Stephen Colbert (03:00, paraphrased by panel)
• Panel Reactions:
  • Dana Perino calls the incident “unintentionally funny,” noting Colbert’s outrage is likely performative and that the legal issues are routine but rarely enforced.
  • Harold jokes about late-night stunts being melodramatic, not actual comedy.
  • Panel consensus: The drama benefited Talarico with a “fundraising bump” and media attention.
  • Emily: “It made a guy as boring as watching paint dry interesting for a day...there really isn’t a loser here.” (09:32)

3. The Potomac Sewage Spill & Political Blame Game (11:19–18:36)

• Incident: Massive sewage spill (240 million gallons) into the Potomac River triggers outrage, finger-pointing between Trump, Maryland Gov. Wes Moore, and local authorities.
  • Quote: “How do you let 240 million gallons of poop flow into the river and they didn't say anything for a long time?” — Dana Perino (12:55)
• Panel Analysis:
  • Dana notes infrastructure failures are mostly state/local issues and criticizes lack of accountability.
  • Emily highlights a revolving door of officials from Flint to D.C., questioning systemic management failures.
  • Joey: Basic government responsibilities are falling apart due to political blame-shifting.
    • “This is not partisan. It should not be about politics. It’s not a political threat. They should treat it as a practical solution.” (16:43)
  • Greg’s comedic take links government waste to the actual sewage crisis: “You have all these government officials…we're paying trillions in taxes and we get nothing.” (18:41)
• Broader Grievance: Greg questions if there’s an “invisible trillion-dollar fraudulent economy” fueled by government incompetence and fraud.

4. 2028 Democratic Presidential Hopefuls, Optics & Branding (22:24–30:21)

• Book Releases & Image Rehab: Dem hopefuls like Gavin Newsom, Andy Beshear, and Josh Shapiro are rolling out books and giving themselves physical makeovers (e.g., J.B. Pritzker’s weight talk) as pre-2028 positioning.
  • Quote: “I don't care how much weight he loses. I want to see what legislation he has passed...This is reading like brand management, not actual leadership portrayal.” — Joey Jones (28:49)
• Panel Skepticism:
  • Dana notes efforts feel shallow—“aspirational at the same time that they're dealing with the brokenness.”
  • Greg and Harold riff on the primacy of metrics for men in politics: “Just because we're wrong in your opinion doesn't make us evil...the real weight loss is coming from the party, it's shedding men because their issues become less measurable.” (23:34)
  • Emily and Joey mock the performative nature and lack of tangible governance in these early campaigns.

5. RFK Jr., Kid Rock, and Ultra-Processed Foods (31:00–35:29)

• Viral Gym Video: RFK Jr. appears shirtless with Kid Rock, taking on junk food and ultra-processed ingredients with support from a former FDA commissioner.
  • Harold: “What Secretary Kennedy is doing around food...is really, really important.” (32:00)
  • Greg: “The real story here is the death of the body positivity movement.” (33:11)
• Panel Banter: The rest riff on RFK’s workout choices, Kid Rock’s healthy turn, and the fickleness of health trends like Ozempic.

6. Buffalo Wild Wings Lawsuit: Are ‘Boneless Wings’ False Advertising? (35:48–38:24)

• Legal Oddity: A lawsuit claimed calling “boneless wings” actual wings is deceptive; a judge ruled in favor of Buffalo Wild Wings.
• Dana decries America’s litigious nature: “One of the big problems in America is just the litigiousness of the society…” (36:14)
• Harold speculates: "This is just like the Colbert story. It was orchestrated for free publicity. All you gotta do is get somebody to file a lawsuit...and you end up on the highest rated show." (37:04)

7. One More Thing: Animal, Lava, and Hockey News (38:46–40:54)

• Notable Moments:
  • Dana shares the heartwarming story of a rejected baby monkey, Punch, who found a new monkey mom. (39:33)
  • Greg discusses Ash Wednesday at St. Patrick’s Cathedral. (40:11)
  • Emily covers Kilauea’s latest eruption. (40:29)
  • Joey reports Team USA Men’s Hockey beats Sweden in the quarterfinals. (40:46)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

On the Potomac Sewage Spill:

• Dana Perino (12:55): “How do you let 240 million gallons of poop flow into the river...and they didn't say anything for a long time?”

On Political Image Crafting:

• Joey Jones (28:49): “I don't care how much weight he loses. I want to see what legislation he has passed...This is reading like brand management, not actual leadership portrayal.”

On the Colbert/CBS Saga:

• Dana Perino (04:48): “Colbert was right about that...CBS they are trigger happy lawyers. And then you had Colbert who's like, I could figure out a way to get some attention for this.”

On Systemic Government Waste:

• Greg Gutfeld (18:41): “We're paying trillions in taxes and we get nothing...is there like this invisible trillion dollar fraudulent economy that feeds off the government?”

On Late-Night Comedy:

• Harold Ford Jr. (07:21): “I guess I don't find this story the least bit interesting except how these late night comedy shows have strayed so far from the premise...it's these stunts to stoke some kind of melodrama.”

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Timestamps by Topic

• Nancy Guthrie Case: 00:41–02:16
• Colbert/CBS/Equal Time Controversy: 02:16–10:12
• Potomac Sewage Spill: 11:19–18:36
• Democratic 2028 Branding: 22:24–30:21
• RFK Jr. & Kid Rock on Health: 31:00–35:29
• Buffalo Wild Wings Lawsuit: 35:48–38:24
• One More Thing Segment: 38:46–40:54

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Language & Tone

The episode flows with the classic irreverence and sharp banter that typifies The Five. The tone is sardonic, direct, at times playful, with skeptical takes on both right and left-wing actors. The hosts swing between serious analysis (on infrastructure and justice issues) and comedic asides or snark.

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Summary

Whether you're interested in true crime developments, TV culture wars, government accountability, political preening, or just want to know if boneless wings are actually wings, this episode serves up a full slate of trending topics, strong opinions, and sharp humor—hallmarks of The Five. The hosts skewer political squabbling, media performativity, and superficial branding, with an undercurrent of frustration at both parties' inability to focus on real governance and solutions. Ultimately, the mix of serious news and lighthearted diversions keeps this episode engaging and accessible for listeners from across the spectrum.

Transcript

[Greg Gutfeld]

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[Harold Ford Jr.]

Hi, I'm greg gutfeld along with emily capagno, harold ford jr. Joey jones. And to stay fit, she runs laps around a bottle cap. Dana perino, the. FOX news alert. Day 18 of the search for Nancy Guthrie and investigators are hunting down new leads after hitting a DNA roadblock. Matt Finn is in Tucson with Mark. Hey, Matt.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Hey, Greg. We're about an easy 90 minute drive north of Mexico, so it would be impossible to ignore a scenario where maybe Mexico or the cartel is involved. But so far Sheriff Nanos tells us he is not aware of any direct link to Mexico. A single federal source tells Fox Digital that the FBI is in communication with Mexican officials in relation to the Nancy Guthrie case. And a short while ago I was told that it is standard procedure for the FBI to be in contact with their counterparts in Mexico on cases like this, that the FBI has likely been in touch with Mexico since the start as this is so close to the border. So there's a lot of theories and some reporting that the kidnapping or alleged ransom notes may have placed the Nancy or the suspect south of the border, but nothing has been validated. Also, there's been so much speculation about the relationship between the sheriff Nanos and the FBI. The sheriff tells Fox News that they are getting along well. The FBI has previously told us they're in the command center together. And I was just told a short while ago again that these agencies are getting along just fine on the ground.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

Greg, Matt, thank you. And now to the beta who cried censorship. CBS flat out denying that they forced Stephen Colbert to not air an interview with Texas Democratic Senate candidate James Talarico saying, quote, the show has provided legal guidance that the broadcast could trigger the FCC equal time rule for two other candidates, including Jasmine Crockett, and presented options for how the equal time for other candidates could be fulfilled. It sounds pretty reasonable, but Colbert would rather milk the phony outrage before CBS turns off the studio lights for good. We looked and we can't find One example of this rule being enforced for any talk show interview, not only for my entire late night career, but for anyone's late night career going back to the 1960s. For the record, I'm not even mad. I really don't want an adversarial relationship with the network. I've never had one. I'm just so surprised that this giant global corporation would not stand up to these bullies. I don't even know what to do with this crap.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Oh, hold on.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

It's late night comedy, everybody. But is Colbert just afraid of a strong black woman becoming a senator? Well, Jazzy Crockett says the interview drama gave her opponent James Talarico a boost and she doesn't buy Colbert's bs.

[Dana Perino]

We did receive information suggesting that the federal government did not shut down this segment. It is our understanding that Colbert, either Mr. Colbert or CBS, decided that they.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

Just didn't want to hear it.

[Dana Perino]

And this was because of a fear that the FCC may say something to them and that there may have been advice to just have me on and then they could clear the issue.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

You know, Dana, I think it's a blessing that we led the show with this segment because that means nothing bad happened today.

[Dana Perino]

I was just thinking, if this is a battle that we're actually having to fight in America today, then you know what we're probably doing. All right, go ahead, go ahead.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

But this is what happens when you fire somebody but let him hang around. You don't let him hang around.

[Dana Perino]

It's like the people who divorce but decide to, like, split the house. And so like, she's going to stay upstairs and he's going to take, take the basement. And the kids are like, they're in the mezzanine going, where do we go?

[Harold Ford Jr.]

Yeah, you gotta go hiking.

[Dana Perino]

Yeah, never go hiking with your spouse. Anyway, this story is kind of unintentionally funny. So it started with Trump doesn't want you to see this interview. But it was actually more that regular Democrats or there's a section regular Democrats like Colbert. They don't want Jasmine Crockett to do well in the primary. And that's fine. But why is it different for those networks versus us? Because 1934, a law passed. If you're over the public airwaves, you have to give some public equal time for candidates. It's never been tested in the court of law. Colbert was right about that. Well, maybe in the court of law, but never gone to the Supreme Court. But the other thing that's happening is that I think at CBS they are trigger happy lawyers. And then you had Colbert who's like, I could figure out a way to get some attention for this. The beneficiary in all of it is this guy, James Tallarico. His fundraising went through the roof. He got a lot more attention than he ever would have if this interview had gone just on air and it was fine. And maybe have Jasmine Crockett on next week. Who would have cared?

[Harold Ford Jr.]

Yeah, that is so true. In fact, Harold, in the green room, you were telling me that this was a choreographed hoax to get people to watch. Otherwise they never would have watched Colbert and this would help the Democrats. That's exactly what you said.

[Greg Gutfeld]

That is, I can't believe you remembered it so perfectly. Good to be with everybody. I think Dana's. Dana's largely, if not altogether right. I think the young guy, Talarico, probably benefited from people not being on the show. More people have learned about this and whether they process it and digest it the way you've just shared, Dana, that they're Democrats who want Talarico or they're Republicans who may be concerned that he would be a stronger candidate. Whatever the narrative is, I think he benefited. He benefited largely. If I could just take 10 seconds on the Guthrie matter out in Arizona. It is amazing to me. I think one of you reported last week that Pima County, I hope pronouncing the county correctly, is geographically as large as Connecticut and Rhode island combined, number one. Number two, I'm hopeful that this is what they're saying now that they've reached out. Because, Greg, you were the one that posited the idea very early on that we should be thinking about cartels or others in this ordeal, this kidnapping. Obviously I'm close to the situation and I'm just hopeful that they've been watching, that they've been actually thinking about this and pursuing this longer than just what they've said here in the last day or so.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

So are you suggesting Colbert's involved in the kidnapping? I'm sorry, Emily.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Joey only Emily.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

I guess I don't find this story the least bit interesting except how these late night comedy shows have strayed so far from the premise of late night comedy that they're not even trying now. It's these stunts, these to stoke some kind of melodrama.

[Joey Jones]

And I mean, I think it served him quite well because he got 5 million views of the interview on YouTube, which was his most watched interview in months. I think it's sort of a hilarious pre capitulation to something that really wasn't that big of a deal. We work for corporations too, right? And you get legal advice and you get production advice. And they could have gone around this quite easily, been like, oh, okay, so either A, pre tape an interview with Crockett, or B, put the whole thing on YouTube. Like, they could have absolutely met their interests on a substantive level. That is getting Talarico out there. And then like, okay, we don't really want to do Jasmine Crockett. Do a pre tape with her and then put it on two minutes at the end. And the other thing is, if their attorneys, if they're listening, because attorneys, we know them, they're always risk adverse. They are always going to say, oh.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

You guys jerks, right?

[Joey Jones]

I know, we all are. But like, I see this as just sort of clearly their jelly kneed about it. And then Jasmine Crockett comes out and she just really annoyed because Talarico raised 2.5 million in 24 hours. So the lesson about this is that there's ways that you can creatively be obedient to what your attorneys recommend. And they could have said, great, here's X, Y and Z. We comply with these laws and everything's going to be great. But then what do they do? They irritate everyone because of the outrage bump. We saw it with AOC wearing the Met Gala, you know, dress and Marjorie Taylor Greene when she got kicked off committee. If you say I've been censored, you will get a complete surge in donations.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

I admire you for trying to make me interested in this story, but you failed. All right, Joey, you're the last person to make me interested in this. Is Colbert, as you claimed in the green room, racist? And that he actually hates successful black women? That's what you said. I have it on tape.

[Emily Capagno]

I stand by it. He was a Republican once, or at least a caricature of one.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

Yes.

[Emily Capagno]

No, listen, I think you kind of nailed it when you were making fun of Harold just now and you were talking for him and you said, or poking at Harold. I mean, and you said that he said it was a big conspiracy, kind of like a charade. I mean, what did it do? It made a guy as boring as watching paint dry interesting for a day. It gave CBS a little bit of headline, made him look good to the Trump administration, made Colbert interesting enough for a day. I mean, who's the real loser here other than Jasmine Crockett, who gets to play victim and then win something of her own? There really isn't a loser here. So I don't know that it was orchestrated. But I don't think anyone has their feelings hurt over it. And I don't think it's a controversy. I think it gave James Talarico an opportunity look like anything other than like a dollar store beto.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

Very good. Well, I hope the audience join us later for an eight part investigation on it will be on Fox Nation simulcast on YouTube and on our local Fox affiliates.

[Greg Gutfeld]

I thought it was a 10 parter. It's only eight.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

Only eight. We're gonna see how it goes.

[Dana Perino]

Translated into we'll have the bloopers at the end.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

We'll have an all star special report posted by Rick Hume.

[Dana Perino]

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[Harold Ford Jr.]

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[Joey Jones]

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[Dana Perino]

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[Emily Capagno]

President Trump is trying to unclog a major mess caused by the democrats 47 announcing FEMA will help clean up the Potomac's biggest dump ever. We're talking about 240 million gallons of raw sewage that's poured into the water after a pipe literally just couldn't hold it in anymore. Trump is pinning the blame on Blue Beltway areas, Maryland, Virginia and Washington, D.C. called the DMV saying that, quote, they must get to work immediately. If they can't do the job, they have to call me and ask politely.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

To get it fixed.

[Emily Capagno]

Now, a lot of people will be headed to the swamp for America's 250th birthday this summer. And our friend Peter Doocy has a very interesting question about that.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Is he worried that by the summer.

[Emily Capagno]

The Potomac river will still smell like poop?

[Joey Jones]

He is worried about that, which is.

[Dana Perino]

Why the federal government wants to fix it. And we hope that the local authorities.

[Joey Jones]

Will cooperate with us in doing so.

[Greg Gutfeld]

What a poker face.

[Emily Capagno]

All right, the guy who state unleashed the pooh, Kraken, Maryland Governor Westmore is somehow pointing the finger at Trump now.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

That it is essentially 99% contained. I love the fact that the president of the United States is finally realizing that this was his job and he hasn't been doing it for the past month. So I say, listen, we'd welcome you to help to address the remaining 1%.

[Emily Capagno]

All right, Dana, there's a lot of ways we can go with this. I think the, I guess the Question everyone asking is, how do you let 240 million gallons of poop flow into the river?

[Dana Perino]

And nobody. And they didn't say anything for a long time. So, look, America's infrastructure is in a lot of places at a crisis point.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

Yeah.

[Dana Perino]

And that is a state and local government issue for the most part. Remember we had the bridge collapse about 10 years ago, and everyone said, oh, my gosh, we've got to do something about the bridges. Well, America's water systems and sewer systems absolutely need to be taken care of. This is not a federal government responsibility. I know that Governor Moore has been saying that as far as I know. And I used to work at the Council on Environmental Quality. I'm not a lawyer like these two who are annoying lawyers are, always want to say no to everything. But it. The states that are there, Virginia, Maryland, and then the entity that is D.C. they're supposed to work together to make this be okay. It's absolutely not okay. It's disgusting. And what's very interesting is that for the last two weeks, the liberals have been really gnashing their teeth about President Trump removing the endangerment finding for CO2 emissions. Right. They said that's the worst thing that could ever happen to the environment for something that could not be proven for a gazillion years, maybe if ever it's not a pollutant. But at the same time, if a farmer had allowed this to happen on his land, what do you think would have happened to him? He would have been in court, probably, maybe even in jail. He would have lost everything. And these guys have just spent time pointing fingers at each other. The last thing I'll mention is a lot of people on Capitol Hill who live, like, in that water area. Yes, the drinking water is okay, but they're worried about. They're worried about it. So now some of them are getting additional infiltration filtration systems on their homes, and it's about $1,000. So you could say that they've had $1,000 tax increase because of this, Harold.

[Emily Capagno]

So the few ways the federal government can help out here, one is through the epa, and the other one is actually to clean it up. And that would be through female Obviously, the funding for FEMA is held up right now because Congress is fighting over a Homeland Security budget. Maybe this is an opportunity for President Trump to get Democrats on board to, you know, pay the bills and clean this up.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Well, you know, it always. It generally takes a crisis to get Congress and the president or both parties to work together. So perhaps that could be the only thing that comes out of this crap that makes it. Makes it right. I don't like my politics and the way I approach politics. I hate when people allowed pettiness to get in the way of advancing the public interest, and particularly when it comes to public health. Congress and the legislatures are responsible for water laws and the president and governors are responsible for enforcement of it. But I think when we reach a point where people are pointing fingers and blaming, and this is no pun intended, when you have this kind of situation happening in the water system, it's really a reflection and very telling about where our politics is today. Finally, they say that drinking water has not been affected by this, but they do say they have elevated levels. I think in some of the briefing that we got that they're elevated levels.

[Emily Capagno]

Of the bad bacteria is 60 times.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Elevated levels of E. Coli. And another thing I can't pronounce with a lot of syllables. So hopefully the President and Governor Moore can find a meeting of the minds here and get this done.

[Emily Capagno]

Emily, the CEO of DC Water, who apparently is kind of responsible for this section of pipe, you know, he got hired at DC Water after leaving the company that was in charge of Flint, Michigan's water before the lawsuit.

[Greg Gutfeld]

He got a job from Flint, Michigan.

[Emily Capagno]

He left. I don't know that he was the CEO, but he was an executive with that same company, left before the lawsuit hit and got hired at DC and now he's got this. So his legacy is leaving Flint, Michigan without drinkable water and lying about it. Remember, they said it was an old pipe, that the lining had come out causing the color and it was actually lead. And they proved they knew it. And then he comes here and the same thing, like Dana pointed out, literally, they just don't say anything about it. They, I guess, run from the fact that everyone's going to figure it out.

[Joey Jones]

This is what's so disappointing. And I'm even more disappointed that I'm not surprised as a taxpaying citizen that you see these decision makers and legislatures, legislators and people in executive positions just passing the hot potato and crossing their fingers that something doesn't break on their watch. This is basic government, right? This is basic functioning. This is infrastructure, public health, environmental protection. And here at the state level, you know, they're being essentially given an option here. We're going to help you. This is not partisan. It should not be about politics. It's not a political threat. They should treat it as a practical solution. And if they really felt like the Democrats like to do that, Environmental protection first and health and safety first. Right. We were lectured on all the masks and on everything in the air. Well, that level of E. Coli and feces in the water, the amount of animals are damaging.

[Greg Gutfeld]

And.

[Joey Jones]

And it reminds me, I mean, it's not an oil spill, but the pelicans remember in the Deepwater Horizon oil spill. Like, we have gone through this, and I think people, constituents are sick and tired of seeing the ecology be destroyed, humans health being suffering or being risked, and then having everyone in charge just point fingers, like, at the end of the day, just get it done. Real leadership means arguing about how it started later. And infrastructure failures. They're not ideological. Right. It's managerial. So I need a leader. And President Trump, asking him to ask politely reminds me, me of when one time in college when my car was getting towed in the back of the sorority and I literally ran, like, flying out and, like, screaming. I don't even remember what I was yelling, but I was like, oh, my gosh. And the tow truck literally was like. The driver was like, if you ask nicely, I will let your car go. And it was like, I had it for some reason. It was. I was like. And then I was like, sir, may I please have my car? And he was like, yes, Bing. And, like, released it down like, maybe it takes some eating crow, but I'm not quite sure why. If you're here to serve constituents, not yourself.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

And now you are married to the tow truck driver.

[Dana Perino]

Great way to meet people.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

That would never happen to any of us. Just some hot broad. If you say nicely, little woman. You know, I see a sign that says raw sewage. Is there another kind? Yeah, it's like, am I supposed to feel better that it's raw filet? You know, despite being flush with cash, the cities are in a toilet. But Trump will drain the swamp. And for that, he deserves a turd term. Look, this is one of those moments where God conflates reality in analogy, right? Used to say DC Is like a swamp. No, it literally is a swamp. Jerry Nadler must be ecstatic. He can now blame all of the odors on the river. Not my pants. Not my pants. You know what's crazy? You need the highest income in the country to live in the D.C. area. Did you see that study that came out? You have all these government officials, these government hacks, these politicians, and somehow people can afford extravagant homes. We're paying trillions in taxes and we get nothing. This is what I think. It's like, where does this money go? So you have people living in Billion dollar homes in and around this area, but you have raw sewage in this scenic river. And I go back to this observation that I've had and maybe I brought it up here, but whenever I land in any mid sized city or suburb or whatnot for a live show, and I'm driving, I don't really drive, my driver's doing this, I'm looking out the window and I see rows of businesses that nobody is populating, but they're not out of business, they're just these businesses. You see this whenever you go to, like whether you're coming into Memphis or Minneapolis or Reno. And then I started hearing about all of this unrestrained fraud, the Somalian daycares, the home health care stuff in California. And I'm starting to think is that, is there like this invisible trillion dollar fraudulent economy that, that feat that is a, that feeds, is fed by the government. It's like our money and it creates this whole underground. Because now all of these things that I see when I'm driving, like those are making money, but nobody's going in them because they're taking like 20% of our tax, which is, I don't know how many, we spend what, 5 trillion, you know, they get a couple of trillion a year. That's huge.

[Greg Gutfeld]

The amazing thing though, in Minnesota, all of that talk we've done, I saw the reporting, I think the young man that uncovered this, there's not been one person indicted.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

Well, there's been some people arrested. There's been some people already. Yes, yes, there has.

[Dana Perino]

There's a lady in jail.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Yeah, there's not, there's not one person that's been indicted on stealing these federal funds in Minnesota. There are people I'd love to be.

[Dana Perino]

Correct that's in jail. Alexis McAdams interviewed her.

[Emily Capagno]

There was a wave of it a couple of years ago. There hasn't been anything new.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

I see your point. There should be more. I want everybody, I don't think that person. I want you to jail, Harold.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Thank you. Thank you.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

I want you to be my bunkmate.

[Emily Capagno]

Maybe we need to find the real decent pipe bomber.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

You know, if I went to jail, I, I would take you with me.

[Greg Gutfeld]

That's something I'll let you do alone if you really want you to enjoy that by yourself.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

Up next, the Democrats are making some big moves for 2028. JB Pritzker might be slimming down.

[Dana Perino]

The potential 2028 Democratic candidates are trying to give their public images a makeover by becoming book salesmen. Check out these recent covers. Gavin Newsom's young man in a hurry. Josh Shapiro is where we keep the light. Kentucky Governor Andy Beshear announcing his book earlier today. Go and do likewise. How we Heal a broken country. And while some are reworking their image, others are working on their waistlines. JB Pritzker getting asked by a reporter if he's slimming down for a presidential campaign.

[Emily Capagno]

I don't know about other people. I've been challenged with my weight for, you know, most of my life, honestly.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

And so you know, the idea and.

[Emily Capagno]

I have succeeded and failed. I realize that other people want to make this about something that it's not.

[Greg Gutfeld]

I mean, I don't know if this is appropriate to ask, but can I ask about GLP ones? It's been such a conversation nationally. Is that something that you've tried?

[Emily Capagno]

I do not think that it's something that people should be, you know, revealing about them. It's like pretty hyper personal question. I don't want to answer because I don't want to make it as if this is okay for people to be asking one another.

[Dana Perino]

I don't know if the problem is waistlines in Illinois. I think it might be the actual government system, like the broken pensions, for example.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

Well, I tell you, I love Democrats telling us how to heal a broken country. It's like a domestic abuser teaching first aid to his spouse. It's like, I can write that book for you on one page. Stop calling us Nazis and racists. You know, just cause we're wrong in your opinion, doesn't make us evil. That's one page. You could put it out there, I'll even pay for it. But you do that and the countries will heal. But then all these race baiting academics will be out of work. The real weight loss, Dana, is coming from the party. It's shedding men because their issues become less and less measurable. There are no solutions that actually create scoring. It's more about feelings and unlimited empathy which cannot be scored. Men prefer things that you can measure. And why do they? You know, it's like if you look at Trump, that's funny, first thing we did. Anyway, Dana, do not think about what she just said. I want you pure Doge measures. Immigration was about measuring. Illegals, crime, economy. These are all measures. The only thing the Dems measured was a measurement itself. Dei. It's the only measurement they cared about. But it had nothing to do with profits or nothing to do with outcomes. In a sense, the counting in DEI was the outcome, which meant that it didn't mean anything. Every time you measure an outcome, Democrats come up empty, which is why any kind of measuring is seen as oppressive. It's racist. Voter id. It's racist. It's oppressive because it exposes, you know, our corruption.

[Dana Perino]

One thing about all of these covers is that they are trying to be aspirational at the same time that they're dealing with the fact that the brokenness. I don't disagree that there's polarization in the country, but it does feel like within the party, we're about to see a big knockdown drag out in this primary. That's coming.

[Emily Capagno]

Joey, look at these covers. Like, wonder why Josh Shapiro didn't put himself on the COVID That's the only thing that kind of stands out to me. I mean, I bet that dog's like, I didn't ask for this yet. I didn't want to. I didn't want to be on this cover. I wanted to go Chase Doc, you know, that's what he was born for. No, you know, part of the segment is to talk about where the Democrats stack up. And it's kind of feel bad to be Gavin Newsom and put that much effort into trying to be president one day. I mean, he did a podcast, multiple podcasts. He's going around the world. He's got his hands figured out, his hair. And Kamala Harris is pulling double digits better than he is among Democrats. She's the one that just lost. She's the one that just wrote a book complaining about losing, and she's outrunning him. I mean, obviously it's early. We don't know where it will stack up and everyone in the race. But, you know, I mean, she's the leading candidate right now, and all this work that Gavin's doing must be for naught.

[Dana Perino]

And Harold is. I mean, it does feel a little early to be talking about 2028. However, the race really begins the night that the midterms are called, so only about eight months away, it really is.

[Greg Gutfeld]

And unfortunately, these races begin almost right after the President's elected. And he or she will say she one day, but he's sworn in. You go back and you look. I think these books are important for these men and women considering this because it gives them a chance to talk about on their own terms how they've changed their mind, the things they think have worked the best in their political lives, and how they might translate that at the national level. You think about the nine years, 10 years, or now 10 years since President Trump won the election the first time. There are two or three people who are his. Some of hisand they're my friends. Lindsey Graham's an old friend. I served with him in Congress. Lindsey was very critical of President Trump in 2016. JD Vance was very critical of President Trump and so was Marco Rubio. I give people. I think people need to have opportunity and space to be able to evolve and change. And clearly they have. And they're working with President Trump now. And by accounts, if you were to, they're doing really, really positive and important things. I would argue this is just welcome to presidential politics. The way these people are behaving. I do hope that those who are thinking about running this time talk more about the future and less about the past, less about Trump. I think there's some truth to this Trump derangement syndrome stuff. And talk more in a more wholesome and fulsome way about how you're going to prepare us for AI. What are you going to do to help health care costs come down? If you believe tariffs aren't working and I don't say remove them and say how we're going to make the nation more attractive for people to invest our country and create more jobs here. That's what I want to hear more. How are you going to make our schools better? Be interesting to hear these governors and for that matter, the senators thinking about running, how they position themselves on this issue and stuff asks about people to wait. I want to be clear. I think it's completely out of line.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

Who do you want as your vp?

[Greg Gutfeld]

I think. I think completely out of line asking.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

Someone about you and Fetterman for 2028, which it feels like it will be. Who is the vp? Because it's weird because he's a senator, but you were a congressman and you're better looking than he is and you're more eloquent.

[Dana Perino]

So he likes to wear a suit.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

You wear a suit. So is it, is it going to be President Ford Fetterman, or is it going to be Fetterman Ford? That sounds like a dealership. Fetterman Ford.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Maybe we should go back to talking.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

About waistlines on the auto mile.

[Joey Jones]

All right. The, the. It sort of reminds me of auditions for NFL cheerleading.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Right?

[Joey Jones]

You get in the best shape possible. You get tan, you get your hair done, you get your nails done. You are looking and performing your absolute best. Except this isn't supposed to be an audition. This is reading like brand management, not actual leadership portrayal. I don't care how much weight he loses. I want to see what legislation he has passed, what budget he has balanced how he has profited his constituents, how everyone lives safely and more healthy under his leadership. Like, this is such a joke to me. I think all of these people have confused the presidency with some type of media role. They are engaged in theatrics thinking that their brand and their narrative will somehow suffice or replace credibility or experience or governance or legislating or whatever it is. So the flurry of the book writings and by the way, Newsom's cover is the worst. Like, what is that font? What is that picture? It's hideous. No, why don't you show me a flurry of governance? Show me. Hey guys, I balance this budget and I did all of this stuff like, like all they're doing is talking about veneer things and it's such a sad display. I think it's a mischaracterization. They missed the whole point of what President Trump was. He came to office with media experience and a decades long harnessing of what production and what communication to the public looked like. But they confused that that was his only shtick and it's not a shtick. Right. He is a multidimensional creature that is governing quite well from the White House. So I think they're going to learn the hard way that the presidency is not a media role and that I think they're wasting their time auditioning instead of governing.

[Dana Perino]

Okay, coming up, RFK Jr. Is taking his shirt off again. Emily, you're gonna want to see this. This time with Kid Ro.

[Joey Jones]

Rfk jr is going shirtless again, joining Kid Rock for a sweat session while rocking one of the singer's iconic tunes. The wild workout included everything from sit ups, steps to the sauna. And at one point, the HHS secretary takes a dip in the cold plunge wearing his jeans. But breaking a sweat isn't the only Maha goal RFK is after. He's also taking aim at junk ingredients and ultra processed foods and getting the backing of a former FDA commissioner. Watch.

[Greg Gutfeld]

The United States has been exposed to something that our biology was never intended.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

There is no way for any American to know if a product is safe, if it is ultra processed.

[Joey Jones]

Harold, how much would you have to be paid to recreate that video and get in the cold plunge with your jeans on?

[Greg Gutfeld]

No distraction. I don't get in the cold plunge with guys and I don't like doing it even by myself. But I was impressed by the video. I'm a Kid Rock fan. I love his music. So. But to the substance, for one moment, I think what Secretary Kennedy is Doing around food, Emily, is really, really important. I said it from the outset and even before the campaign and even during his campaign when he would talk about that issue. It's an issue I think he knows and knows more so than some of the professional, medical, and scientific other things that he talks about. But this is an issue where he has a. A broad base of support. Kessler, the commissioner, who has been very critical, and I happen to agree with his criticism of Secretary Kennedy around vaccines, but he made it clear that he supports him fully on this food matter. And it's something that will help kids, it will help seniors, it will help people my age, it will help the country if we find a way to deal with this. I know I put you to sleep there, but I think this is very important. I know. Don't take pity on me. If we get this right, RFK Jr deserves. He deserves a lot of credit and perhaps a lot more recognition.

[Joey Jones]

Greg, coincidentally, the song I played just before the Kid Rock song is the song from the montage of Working out from the Cutting Edge. So it's like, this is, like, perfect. It's totally work out. Anyway, whatever. What do you have to say?

[Harold Ford Jr.]

I didn't listen to anything you said. But you know what? This raises a question. Who rubs off on who? You know what I mean? It's like, let's say Harold and I were in prison. Like, who becomes more like who? So you would think, oh, my God, RFK Jr. Is hanging out with Kid Rock. Oh, poor RFK Jr. He's gonna end up drinking. He's gonna be drinking again. He's gonna be womanizing again. He's got. And then what happens? You see, Kid Rock is at the gym. He's like, you know, working out and Coldplay. It's like RFK was a bad influence on Kid Rock. Who would have seen that coming? Anyway, the real story here is the death of the body positivity movement. Do you remember how that was such a big deal? Oh, you know, it was like the most dishonest, dishonestly labeled movement. The body positivity was to describe eat till they need a crane to get you out of bed. And then all of a sudden, it just goes away. Just like Drag Queen story hour just went away. Oh, where'd it go? Where'd it go? And it's so these were preposterous social experiments that made unwell people more unwell. So this is great that we're actually getting back into the fitness scheme of things. Ozempic. And I said this in the break Revealed that the pro obese wokesters were just lazy because now they're all on Ozempic.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Totally.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

They just didn't want to exercise.

[Joey Jones]

Joey, I loved this. Yeah.

[Emily Capagno]

The worst part about it is we didn't show when they got in the hot tub together and were drinking milk. Cause that just really motivated me to go do something.

[Greg Gutfeld]

I don't know.

[Emily Capagno]

Listen, somebody needs to tell RFK Jr. It's okay to wear shorts. I mean, bro, don't be upset about your legs. I don't care what they look like. Take it from me, nobody needs impressive legs. You look great with your shirt off. Throw the shorts on so we don't all go. Wow, that's weird. I don't know.

[Joey Jones]

My pet peeve was jeans at the beach in California. Now it might be jeans at the gym.

[Dana Perino]

I don't know. I mean, I'm obviously not the audience for this video, but I. I do. I like the idea of people eating healthier. I think that is great. And the access to it is wonderful. So the more people that learn about it, the better. I'm all for that. I like the idea of the grandma's grocery cart that. That challenge where you go to the grocery store and you only put in things that your grandmother would have had access to.

[Joey Jones]

What I love the most is the secretary is advocating for transparency and putting the power back into the people.

[Dana Perino]

You know, I will say my grandmother did buy us lucky charms, though.

[Joey Jones]

All right, guys, the fastest is up next.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Oh, jbj, welcome back. A judge has ruled Buffalo Wild Wings is allowed to continue calling their boneless wings wings. Get this. Boneless, Even though they are essentially chicken nuggets. Some guy had a lot of time in his hand and actually sued, claiming it was false advertising and that they should be renamed. Renamed something like chicken poppers. Let's be real. We're only doing this story because, well, as Joy shows, we're craving boneless wings here also. What do you think about this, dp?

[Dana Perino]

Well, I just think that one of the big problems in America is just the litigiousness of the society and the fact that this company had a deal. We've actually done this story before. That's how long this story has been going on is preposterous. And if you. I'll just keep. While you guys have. Have a bite. That we just mentioned. In Florida, for example, Governor DeSantis and the legislature pushed through litigation reform when it comes to insurance, and they have helped fix the issue. The problem there. They've solved the problem there. And a Lot of people now are in better shape. I'm not saying it's perfect, but there's a better pricing scheme. Is the whether you was in England, what would you say here pricing menu for people getting insurance in Florida? I don't want to eat.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Good date on Wing.

[Emily Capagno]

Good.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Dana Wing.

[Dana Perino]

I'm trying to talk so I don't have to eat.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

I think Dana missed the. Missed the bones for the wings because this was. This is just like the Colbert story. It was orchestrated for free publicity. All you gotta do is get somebody to file a lawsuit. It gets all over the news and then you end up on the highest rated show.

[Dana Perino]

Oh, you think they wanted this lawsuit?

[Harold Ford Jr.]

Oh yeah. It's really easy. You get somebody to do it and then you get. And then you lose and then it get. But you get all of these generated.

[Dana Perino]

I can store this for fun.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

Yes, I dare you.

[Greg Gutfeld]

But think about this, Emily. This is a. This is a federal judge. This one and federal. This one in federal courts. Our federal courts already clogged. And this actually came in and actually they actually went through with the Judge wrote a 10 page decision. I think it said we could eat this.

[Joey Jones]

The silver lining is publicity, but the amount of money these companies have to pay in for their attorney's fees to defend these things.

[Greg Gutfeld]

This is a real thing.

[Joey Jones]

Remember Kona beer, Texas roadhouse barbecue. The Folgers guy. I mean there's been a million examples of litigation where people are like, what's the Folgers? Did I.

[Dana Perino]

What are you talking.

[Joey Jones]

That was like a Folgers guy.

[Dana Perino]

What was that?

[Emily Capagno]

Yeah, you know, you said the courts are clogged. I think that's what we're trying to do in D.C. right now. Flush all that out. Get rid of it. Just wanted to make mention of that since we had food here. I'm just mad that you caught me eating with a fork. I didn't mean to. I thought that's what I had to do. I'm happy to use mine.

[Greg Gutfeld]

There's no need to be ashamed. The fact that you need your hand. One More thing. One More thing is up next.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

Time now for one more Thing. I'll go first. Tonight we got a great show. A young woman named Emily Capano joins us. Yes, Joe. She has a very brave story. Joe DeVito, Paul Morrow and Tyrus. That's tonight and it's time for Greg Sexual venues with Bridge Hume. Why don't we roll the music. Here we go. Check out Serious the Gray Wolf to Richmond Metro Zoo. Brad and I used to go there a lot not so much anymore. We'll roll in the snow to engage in something called scent rolling. Something me and my good friend Juan Williams would do. It's a behavior used to mask their sense and communicate with their pack or investigate new smells in their territory. Dana, you understand about that. You and the delightful Molly. Anyway. Anyway, I'll be done there. All right, Dana.

[Dana Perino]

Okay, so for the last several days, my algorithm has been feeding me stories about this monkey, and I have fallen in love. His name is Punch. He's a baby monkey born in Japan in a zoo there. And his mother didn't want anything to do with him. She was like, nope. And so he was totally rejected. So they gave him this little stuffed monkey that he carried around with him everywhere. And people have just been falling in love with him. And he's super cute. I have good news. He has now been adopted by another monkey. And she's grooming him. And he's got friends.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

Yay. I guess you're pro grooming now, Dana. Wow. Epstein files Harold for his first time.

[Greg Gutfeld]

At St. Patrick's Cathedral here in New York. Archbishop Hicks led the Ash Wednesday services. I was not part of the morning services, but I got my ashes there this morning. Thank you, sir. Marking the start of Lent today in a season of reflection, repentance and renewal. God bless you.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

All right, Joey.

[Emily Capagno]

Yeah. This is really important news. So, for the 42nd time, this mountain called Kilauea eruption, it ended. But this is cool. So it covered 50% of the crater with a 1300 foot fountain of lava.

[Dana Perino]

Hey, Emily.

[Joey Jones]

Team USA Men's Hockey just beat Sweden in the quarterfinals 2 to 1. Keep watching. Go Team USA Slovakia.

[Greg Gutfeld]

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[Harold Ford Jr.]

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