Democrats Lit The Fuse Of Hatred Against ICE

Summary

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Podcast Summary: The Five

Episode: “Democrats Lit The Fuse Of Hatred Against ICE”
Date: October 7, 2025
Hosts: Jesse Watters, Paul Morrow, Jessica Tarlov, Dana Perino, Greg Gutfeld

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Episode Overview

This episode centers on escalating tensions and violence surrounding U.S. immigration enforcement, specifically focusing on threats against ICE (Immigration and Customs Enforcement) agents. The panelists examine how political rhetoric and government action—or inaction—toward law enforcement, as well as broader issues like protests, crime, and political strategy, are fueling dangerous environments. In signature style, they also turn to pop-culture topics and intra-party political analysis, blending serious debate with satirical observations.

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. Violence Against ICE and Political Rhetoric

• Main Story: The show opens with the revelation that a gang leader ("Monkey") put a $12,000 bounty on ICE Commander Gregory Bovino, with accusations that Democratic leadership has fostered an environment allowing such threats. The Illinois governor, J.B. Pritzker, is criticized for naming Bovino publicly, seen as escalating risks for federal officers.

  • Quote, Bovino on Threats:
    “I was a little disappointed that it was only 12,000. But on a more serious note, that was an illegal alien that was comfortable enough living here. The governor or the mayor are talking about they are the reason that gang members feel comfortable enough to do something like that…We won’t stop the mission.”—Gregory Bovino, (00:56)

• Discussion: The panel links the permissive climate for anti-ICE activism and attacks with Democratic leadership's rhetoric and policies on immigration. Multiple references are made to local and national officials failing to support federal law enforcement, with analogies to historic uses of the Insurrection Act.

  • Quote, Paul Morrow:
    “To me, this is the arsonists blaming the firemen.” (04:40)

Timestamps:

• [00:04–02:14] — Opening details on threats, reactions from officials
• [02:14–05:07] — Panel commentary on law enforcement under siege

2. Media, Protests, and Perceptions of Violence

• Media Spin: Satirical criticism is lobbed at mainstream media’s descriptions of riots as “mostly peaceful” and their distance from the real impacts of crime and immigration crises.

  • Quote, Paul Morrow:
    “Your tolerance for a problem increases in direct proportion to your distance from it.” (03:27)

• Virtue Signaling to Violence Signaling: Greg Gutfeld presents the idea that what began as “virtue signaling” has become “violence signaling”—with activists rewarded for intimidation and aggression, linking anti-ICE sentiment to broader social unrest and anti-Semitism (e.g., protests post-October 7).

  • Quote, Greg Gutfeld:
    “We talk a lot about virtue signaling. That has changed. It is now violence signaling. This is a result of a decade of dehumanizing rhetoric.” (09:24)

Timestamps:

• [02:14–06:48] — Media coverage and the gap between perception and reality

3. Debates Over Immigration Enforcement and Use of Force

• ICE Actions: The role of ICE in apprehending dangerous criminals is defended, but Jessica Tarlov raises concerns about excessive force and militarized tactics, referencing a disputed shooting involving ICE in Chicago.

  • Quote, Jessica Tarlov:
    “They should totally be doing that. They just shouldn't be doing the rest of the stuff that they're doing, like bringing Black Hawk helicopters to Southside apartment complexes in Chicago and pulling people out of their beds.” (07:04)

• Panel Clash: Tarlov and Gutfeld spar over facts of specific incidents, the accuracy of initial media narratives, and the politicization of law enforcement incidents. Gutfeld warns against “blowing stories up” prematurely.

Timestamps:

• [06:48–11:59] — ICE’s job scope, use of force, and media narratives

4. Political Messaging and Appeals to Men

• AOC, Stephen Miller, and “Mocking MAGA Men”: The panel laughs at Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez mocking Trump adviser Stephen Miller’s height and “insecure masculinity.” The discussion then pivots to Democrats’ strategies to connect with young men, including media appearances and targeted messaging.

  • Quote, Greg Gutfeld:
    “AOC is doing a really good thing. This is a vast improvement over her Democrat allies who demonize us. She's pointing her allies to a far less harmful path of ridicule. I want her to call me names…because that means she's not calling me Hitler.” (14:25)

  • Quote, Jesse Watters:
    “Men who are high value, men like Stephen Miller, take risks. They're brave, they're unafraid, they're confident, and they're on a mission. And they have younger wives with beautiful children. I think I just gave him, like, a dating recommendation.” (17:49)

• Panel Humor and Sarcasm: The exchange is playful, poking fun at both sides' stereotypes of gender and political appeal.

Timestamps:

• [13:07–21:27] — AOC’s remarks, male voter outreach, and partisan ribbing

5. Accusations of DOJ Weaponization against Republicans

• Pam Bondi’s Testimony & Metadata Scandal: The panel discusses revelations that Special Counsel Jack Smith subpoenaed metadata on Republican senators during the January 6th probe, drawing comparisons to Watergate and warning of government overreach.

  • Quote, Dana Perino:
    “It seems to me that there was this overreach by the Biden team, and it was a little bit here, a little bit there, a little bit over here. And so then if you…pull on that thread, you find out, oh, wow, they were actually tracking senators phone calls.” (27:20)

  • Quote, Jesse Watters:
    “The Democrat reaction to January 6th was worse than January 6th. …They cracked into these phones. That means you know where the senator was, exactly who was calling him, who he called, how long the phone conversation was. And that's an incredibly abusive overreach.” (25:30)

• Debate Over Surveillance: Jessica Tarlov clarifies what “metadata” means versus wiretapping, contending the surveillance was targeted for public-interest reasons given senators’ involvement in election challenges.

Timestamps:

• [22:30–31:00] — DOJ’s actions, overreach, and privacy concerns

6. Political Fearmongering & Hollywood’s Influence

• Rob Reiner’s “Year Left of Democracy” Claim: Hollywood director Rob Reiner’s recent prediction that Trump will “take away democracy” in one year is debated and satirized. The panel discusses whether such dire warnings shape electoral messaging or alienate voters.

  • Quote, Dana Perino:
    “The idea that Trump is going to cancel the 2028 election is actually gaining hold with more people than you think…But maybe from Rob Reiner.” (32:08)

  • Quote, Jesse Watters:
    “It’s a lot of conspiracy theories with the left. They’re constantly hooked on these conspiracy theories…And this is coming from me. I like conspiracy theories. I seek them out, and they're usually right, and…the dumb ones are coming from the left.” (33:46)

Timestamps:

• [31:24–35:31] — Political messaging, conspiracy theories, Hollywood’s role

7. “Disarming” James Bond: Culture War Satire

• Amazon Removing Guns from Bond Posters: In a lighter segment, the removal of James Bond’s gun from promotional images is mocked as overreach and a symbol of changing cultural norms.

  • Quote, Greg Gutfeld:
    “Let's be honest about James Bond. A violent, misogynistic, cisgendered beneficiary of white privilege…Why are we talking about this?” (36:33)

  • Quote, Dana Perino:
    “Well, it's ridiculous, because who stops bad guys with guns? A good guy with a gun. And that's what Bond is. Unless you don't believe that anymore.” (37:41)

Timestamps:

• [35:50–38:22] — Pop culture, media edits, and 2nd Amendment symbolism

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Memorable Quotes & Standout Moments

• Paul Morrow (on Democratic immigration policy):
  “This is the arsonists blaming the firemen.” (04:40)
• Greg Gutfeld (on violence signaling):
  “It is now violence signaling. …This is a result of a decade of dehumanizing rhetoric. …They're like a guy in the shallow end of a swimming pool who thinks he has it safe because the people pooping in the pool are in the deep end. No, that pool is the Democratic Party, and you're swimming in this shit.” (10:00)
• Jesse Watters (on political masculinity):
  “Men who are high value, men like Stephen Miller, take risks. They’re brave, they’re unafraid, they’re confident, and they’re on a mission. And they have younger wives with beautiful children.” (17:49)
• Dana Perino (on Hollywood anxiety):
  “Everything that I'm watching right now is very dark and I could use a little romantic comedy.” (32:08)
• Jessica Tarlov (on messaging to men):
  “The economy is what matters to men and to women, but particularly the men say it's the most important issue. They are giving Trump bad marks on that. That is the opening for the Democrats.” (19:38)

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Overall Tone & Takeaways

• Tone: Combative, sarcastic, playful, and occasionally deeply critical. The show mixes genuine concern about law enforcement and civil society with episodes of satire and levity.
• Notable Moments: Strong analogies (“arsonists blaming the firemen”, “people pooping in the pool”), frequent interruptions and arguments, especially on facts behind law enforcement actions, and candid admissions of political and cultural strategy.
• Central Message: The panel blames rising danger to federal officers and a breakdown of civil enforcement on Democratic leaders’ rhetoric and permissive policies, warning these may backfire politically and socially. The panel also treats with skepticism the left’s messaging on threats to democracy and sees cultural moves (such as “disarming Bond”) as symbolic of misguided progressivism.

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Segment Timestamps

| Topic | Timestamp Start | Timestamp End | |---|---|---| | ICE under fire, political rhetoric | 00:04 | 05:07 | | Media coverage & protest optics | 02:14 | 06:48 | | ICE enforcement, disputed incidents | 06:48 | 11:59 | | Political messaging, masculinity, AOC-Miller | 13:07 | 21:27 | | DOJ weaponization, metadata, Bondi | 22:30 | 31:00 | | Hollywood, fearmongering, Reiner’s “one year” | 31:24 | 35:31 | | James Bond & pop culture satire | 35:50 | 38:22 |

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This summary covers the core debates, significant moments, and original tone of the episode, providing clarity and context for listeners interested in the intersection of immigration, law enforcement, and media narratives in American politics.

Transcript

[A]

Hello, everybody.

[B]

I'm Jesse Waters along with Paul Morrow, Jessica Tarlov, Dana Perino, and Greg Gutfeld. It's 5 o' clock in New York City, and this is the five Democrats lit the fuse of hatred against ice, and so far, it's led to agents dodging bullets and now bounties. An alleged Latin King shot caller, Juan Espinoza Martinez, or better known on the streets as Monkey, charged and accused of putting a hit out on one of President Trump's top immigration enforcers. Border Patrol Commander Gregory Bovino. The same guy. Illinois Governor JB Back ribs name dropped just yesterday. Texts show how Monkey offered a $10,000 bounty on Bovino's head and 2,000 bucks for his location. But Bovino isn't scared of Monkey.

[A]

I was a little disappointed that it was only 12,000. But on a more serious note, that was an illegal alien that was comfortable enough living here. The governor or the mayor are talking about they are the reason that gang members feel comfortable enough to do something like that. It's amazing. We won't stop the mission. Despite what the governor and the mayor think, we're not going to stop our mission. Chicago is too important. Our country's too important.

[B]

And despite one judicial coup after another preventing Trump's deployment of the National Guard to stop the violence outside ICE facilities, hundreds of Texas National Guard troops could be on Chicago streets any day now after Governor Greg Abbott deployed them. Kristi Noem is on the ground in Portland, visiting the besieged ICE facility there, the one that's been attacked for more than 100 nights without police response. But will she be any match for the singing style of Boomer Tifa? Or how about New York Times columnist Nicholas Kristof and his Peek a Boo game? Be careful. Portland is on fire.

[C]

Our president says so.

[B]

The rival gangs fighting the clouds of tear gas all around us. Be careful. But actually, this isn't a war zone.

[C]

Whatever Trump says, this is perfectly peaceful.

[B]

Paul, that reminded me during the crime wave and BLM riots, when the CNN hosts were like, I was having brunch, no one was bothering anybody.

[A]

Yeah, mostly peaceful. You know, you could manage to do a video like he just did in Gaza during a bombardment. As long as you kept the camera angle tight enough. I do these things online. People think I have a study in my house. It's my closet, and I just keep the focus tight. You can get away with anything. Look, what that really comes down to is, as Mark Twain said, you love the quotes. Your tolerance for a problem increases in direct proportion to your distance from it. Kristof only thinks of the entire migrant thing as Hunter Biden said, the people who come in to clean the toilets, the people that are going to beg our groceries, none of this stuff impacts him. He just wants to make sure that the indentured servitude of 12 million that the imbecilic Biden administration imported with zero vetting, that they stay here so that he gets the cheap labor. Now the other thing, of course, is this gang thing, the Kings. We have them here. First of all, good on DOJ for picking up the threat. They went up. This happens a lot. I know a U.S. attorney who had to have round the clock guards because of a threat like this. So let's understand this is not without an impact. You're going to have to pull people now away to make sure that Bovino is covered. But I just want to say one thing. Everybody's all upset about the idea that Donald Trump, in response to this, is going to invoke the Insurrection Act. Oh my God. The Insurrection Act. Insurrection act was invoked by JFK relative to Little Rock, another part of the pantheon of civil rights actions in this city, in this country, and rightly so. Then jfk, the famous I've talked about on the program, stand in the doorway. All right, an iconic moment in 1963. George Wallace stood in the doorway at the University of Alabama, said, no, you're not going to desegregate Alabama's school. JFK sent in the National Guard and in fact, Eisenhower sent in the 101st Airborne. Can you imagine if Trump sent in airborne right now? I mean, my God, Bush did it relative to the LA riots. My point is this happens and it is black letter law, which is if they're impeding federal law, you can send in the National Guard, you can federalize them to make sure that doesn't happen anymore. As long as the administration stays within the four corners of supporting ICE and making sure that they're not attacked, they're going to beat all of these lawsuits and more power to them. And the bottom line here is that they created this, Democrats created this with 12 million unvetted. To me, this is the arsonists blaming the firemen.

[B]

That's a pretty good analogy, Dana.

[D]

I will agree with that one. I think at some point you have to ask if somebody like J.B. pritzker wants somebody in the Bush and excuse me, in the Trump administration to be hurt because I thought it was strike. It struck me as way out of balance for him to name Bovino. Okay? Because, well, now we all know who it Is. But you could imagine you would want to say, we want the federal officers should be protected. That was inappropriate. But he names him. And does he think a federal officer getting killed in his state would make things more orderly? Would it make it better? Do you think it's all going to go away if that happens? I don't understand the cognitive dissonance. Now, let's take an example, a comparison. When Charlie Kirk got shot, members of the Mormon Church rushed to make sure that they could build the memorial first because they were mortified that somebody who had would have been so distant from the church for so long, but still had identified with it at some point, that they wanted to make sure that they know we are not. We do not stand for that. We are the furthest thing from that. If you think about the Governor Cox, the first thing they wanted to do is say, this is not us. We do. This is not anything to do with us. And when it comes to Christoph, I know that he talks about this a lot and he's doing this whole thing, and I understand what he's trying to do, but it's just. Just do it outside of the ICE building. That's all we're asking. Just do it once outside of the ICE building, show us the video hiding behind the tree. And if there's nothing there, if our cameras are lying and your camera behind the tree is more accurate, then look, I'll take it and listen to it.

[B]

So ice Jessica has, when they are allowed to leave their headquarters has rounded up fentanyl traffickers, child rapists, people wanted for beating their wives. Isn't that what they should be doing there? Why can't they just go out and do their jobs?

[E]

They should totally be doing that. They just shouldn't be doing the rest of the stuff that they're doing, like bringing Black Hawk helicopters to Southside apartment complexes in Chicago and pulling people out of their beds. I mean, the government narrative about what's going on is so slowly blowing up in everyone's faces. They were out there talking about the protester who allegedly drove towards officers, which is why she got shot. And now the body cam footage exposes that, that that isn't the case at all, that the ICE officer actually yelled at her, do something, B word. Before pulling over and shooting her five times. She's likely to get out of detention. What I keep thinking about is, like, there's a goal right now. 3,000.

[B]

You're bringing this up. I haven't seen the body camera footage. Okay, so you're saying she didn' didn't ram the ICE officer's vehicle with her car and track it.

[E]

If there are many write ups of it. The Chicago Sun Times, you know you're.

[B]

Saying the body cam.

[E]

Yeah. What did you see the body cam footage was that she wasn't the one that was driving into them. That he came at her and yelled at her. He shot her.

[B]

No. You're saying she didn't hit him with the car.

[E]

I pull it up. Can you put it up?

[B]

Okay. We don't have that. It's not going to take.

[E]

This is the. That's great. Just read it. Listen to JB Pritzker talk about it. Listen to what the government is going to have to say about it. President Obama and President Biden in the last year of his term were all deporting more people than Donald Trump is right now. Maybe they could go and talk to the people that were able to get that many migrants out of the country on a monthly basis about what they were doing. It's a.

[B]

They weren't doing it in really they were doing it.

[E]

It was all. It was all. Everyone in Eagle Pass just got kicked out. Nobody from anywhere else in this country. It was ever the deporter in chief didn't have a better plan than turning these cities into militarized states. I find that very hard.

[B]

Cooperation with the politicians because he wasn't.

[E]

Infringing on American citizens rights when he.

[B]

Was doing rights have been infringed. That's not the ICE agents who are getting shot at. The ICE agents are getting shot, really spit on and assaulted and they're.

[E]

There's not a woman who get doxed there aren't Americans suing the government.

[C]

Okay. So you bring up this report about the woman being shot. Somehow it wasn't her fault. And I think your words were whatever we were told. That isn't the case at all.

[A]

All.

[C]

How many times have we sat here, Jessica, when you have reported things about zip tied children or a molester being arrested. But he's not a molester and it turns out that's not the case at all. My. I'm not condemning you. I'm just saying maybe don't blow these stories up until we know the truth because it always ends up embarrassing you. So we talk a lot about virtue signaling. That has changed. It is now violence signaling. This is a result of a decade of dehumanizing rhetoric. You have these leftists that are seeking social validation through public expressions of intimidation. Expressing allegiance to a culture that then rewards them. It's October 7th today, right now, what do we have outside of our building? We have protesters two years ago. They're not protesting the annihilation of Jewish families and children. They're protesting in support of Hamas. So let's not forget October 7th, but let's not forget what happened afterwards. Posters of kidnapped children were torn down from polls in New York City. Where does that impulse come from? What is that? It's the same impulse that caused Jay Joyce to write those texts. The assassination attempts on Trump, the actual assassination of Kirk, the torching of Teslas, the barricading of Jews and college campuses, all results from a dehumanizing narrative that creates the story that we have at coming. And the difference here is that it's not political leaders. It's not just ICE agents. I mean, what political clout do Jewish babies have? Why are they being mocked? Why were their pictures taken down? I think the Democratic Party has to face the fact they have to do something. They're like a guy in the shallow end of a swimming pool who thinks he has it safe because the people pooping in the pool are in the deep end. No, that pool is the Democratic Party, and you're swimming in this shit. You know, we talked about. I remember growing up, they were always talking about rap music. And the violent themes in the music may prime listeners to increase aggressive behavior. And most of the time, it didn't. People listen to rap music and they grew up, but some of the times they did. If you can't see the connection between this overarching arc, this narrative, and what we're seeing in all these different places, then you're lost. Protesters supporting Hamas, people attacking ice, conservative speakers getting shot. I mean, it's all from the same hole.

[B]

Don't poop in the pool.

[C]

That's what you learn from it.

[B]

Well, I knew that already. Up next, AOC mox, Stephen Miller, and MAGA men under the strip light. And I'm sitting in the kitchen sink.

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[D]

So AOC must have been listening to Greg Gutfeld. She's now leaning into personal insults by making fun of MAGA men and Stephen Miller's hype.

[E]

Stephen Miller is a clown. I've never seen that guy in real life, but he looks like he's like 4:10. And he looks like he is angry about the fact that he's 410. Like, laugh at them. Laugh at them. This is about insecure masculinity. And one of the best ways that you can dismantle a movement of insecure men is by making fun of them.

[D]

But Stephen Miller will not be short shamed.

[B]

We knew that her brain didn't work. Now we know their eyes don't work. So the. I mean, she's just. She is a mess, right? What a train wreck.

[A]

What a train wreck.

[B]

Every time she's on tv, Republican approval ratings go up. Democrat approval ratings go down. That lady is a walking nightmare.

[D]

But is mocking MAGA men really the smartest way to win back male voters? According to Reuters, Democrats are courting dudes in other ways. Saying this in hopes of catching up, Democrats are testing everything from ads about beer prices to influencers taking tours of the Capitol, while party heavyweights have begun appearing on podcasts that appeal to young men, a key element of Trump's 2024 strategy. My question to you is, Greg, it's not so bad being 410, right?

[C]

Not at all. You know, I'm just sitting here thinking, AOC watches me. Yeah, I think all I got. No. As you know, Dana, I invented the theory called the hierarchy sm. Okay, so in the hierarchy smear, what rests at the top is fascist, Nazi, racist, because they make you targets for violence. On this hierarchy, physical slights are highly preferred because no one's going to hurt you. So to me, AOC is doing a really good thing. This is a vast improvement over her Democrat allies who demonize us. She's pointing her allies to a far less harmful path of ridicule. I want her to call me names. I want her to call me short and stupid because that means she's not calling me Hitler. So a New York Times writer who would, you know that Big Cat Timf story? So that New York Times writer, I can't remember her name, she interviews me, and she basically wanted to nail me for calling people fat. And she's asked me, why do I mock the obese Stelter Pritzker, Joy Behar, when surely there are obese people in my audience? And I said, those people in my audience don't call me a fascist. They don't call me Hitler. They don't try to get my friends killed. The hierarchy of smears calling Stelter A big fat pig doesn't come close to the rhetoric that he's applied to my friends at Fox and otherwise. Of course, the New York Times writer did not include that in her article.

[D]

But now more people know about.

[C]

Now she's exposed.

[D]

Gotcha. Do you think that MAGA men are insulted by aoc?

[B]

No, I think AOC wants to sleep with Miller. It is so obvious, and I'm sorry, you can't have him. Miller is the best. I know him well socially. And the man is not overcompensating. Dana, I know when people are overcompensating. I know people at this table who are overcompensating. That person is me. He is a policy savant. I mean, this guy is confident. He battles CNN with grace and with class, and he provides wise counsel to the President of the United States. This is what AOC doesn't get about men. Miller is a high value man because he has power and influence, because he has vision. And he's on a mission to save this republic and protect Western civilization. He speaks with confidence and flair, and he's unafraid of anything. Now, AOC may have someone that's taller like Gavin, or may someone has more distinguished characteristics, like Adam Schiff, the senator who talks like this, or someone with more wealth like Soros the Younger, but those men are not brave men. Those men did not protect the country when the country needed it. We had tests throughout the last couple years. Tests on crime, tests during COVID and tests with immigration. And all of the men that AOC seems to value, they all failed the test, and they failed it miserably. Men who are high value, men like Stephen Miller take risks. They're brave, they're unafraid, they're confident, and they're on a mission. And they have younger wives with beautiful children. I think I just gave him, like, a dating recommendation.

[C]

I don't know, man. That was pretty creepy.

[B]

I love Stephen Miller.

[D]

Jessica, what do you think? Either about AOC's attempt to use, like, ridicule and insults, but also about the attempt to try to go on podcasts where they think that they might find some men who will maybe leave Trump to vote for them.

[E]

Well, I want to start by the fact that I'm still scarred from Jesse's interview with Katie Miller, Steven's wife, where we talked about the sexual matador situation with Steven. I don't want you.

[B]

That was my nickname. Oh, only you for him.

[E]

For no, I get.

[C]

Well, you're very cape to bed if.

[B]

You can't okay the sexual Chemistry oozing from Stephen Miller's beautiful face.

[E]

Then you don't get it oozing from you about Stephen Miller, which is creepy on a whole hosting anything. I'm right next to your face.

[A]

Wrong with that.

[E]

AOC is a very appealing and talented communicator and Republicans even admit that she's very well liked on the Hill by Republicans as well. They enjoy her. She does a good job.

[C]

She could read a book though. That would be helpful. Okay, maybe read some Thomas.

[E]

But all the things that were listed in the intro about what Dems are trying to do, like the podcast and to talk about the issues that really matter, I think that's exactly what we should be doing. It's a bit of trial and error. Like some interviews are going to go better than others and some video or content that's made is going to really hit and go viral and some isn't.

[B]

Yeah, but you're media strategy. We're talking about protecting the country.

[E]

No barbarians about that. Because you're so into Stephen Miller.

[B]

No.

[E]

Yes.

[C]

Yes, but no.

[E]

The point is the economy is what matters to men and to women, but particularly the men say it's the most important issue. They are giving Trump bad marks on that. That is the opening for the Democrats. That's what they should be hammering Amazon.

[C]

She was really good with the economy.

[E]

You go back to a story from.

[D]

We get Paul in here. We everybody wants to know what he Stephen Miller.

[A]

I'm actually more into Jesse. Listen, first of all, she's in Kimmel territory off on this year because she was off by a whole foot. She said he's 4 10, he's 510. All right. I mean you're off by like 20%. Try to get something accurate. Now. Number two, it's not actually that unserious a thing because I've said it on the air, I still believe. I think she's the nominee for president next time around. Forget the Schumer stuff. I think she's going higher. So who is her ideal man? Who are we talking about here? Some smelly soy boy with a man bun and a Hamas scarf? Like, you know, what is there if the Dems want some advice about how to reach men, especially young men. Let's start with this. Define the gender because there's two. How can we expect the Democratic Party, the current progressives in the Democratic Party to come around to saying, okay, we're going to try to reach men, especially young men who are full of hormones. How are we going to try to reach them on their home field when we can't define what a woman is, because for young men, their identity is young women. That's it. So if you can't come around to the idea that we actually have two genders, you're already starting at a significant loss. And all I can say is, bottom line. David Hogg. That's what they went with. Talk about a swing. And even he was too toxic for them. All right. I mean, who's next? Greta Thunberg. She's actually more masculine than David Hart. But I mean, really, they're actually like the same person. These are the people. These are the standard bearers that we're constantly put out that we're supposed to aspire to.

[E]

Guys, Gavin Newsom, right?

[A]

Newsom is going to be a week.

[B]

Because what he did during COVID and he shut the whole state down. He's definitely hit at the French Laundry.

[A]

Yeah. He comes across as really heartfelt and authentic. I believe everything he says.

[E]

Yeah.

[D]

Well, I would personally like to thank AOC for giving us so much great content. It's great. All right. I had things getting mighty heated as Pam Bond battles Democrats over weaponizing the Department of Justice.

[C]

How dare you.

[D]

I'm a career prosecutor. Don't you ever challenge my integrity.

[B]

We were.

[A]

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[C]

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[C]

Attorney General Pam Bondi on the Hill today battling Democrats over who's really weaponizing the government. This as the FBI revealed former special counsel Jack Smith tracked the private phone records of nearly a dozen Republican senators. That's almost 12, Dana. During the January 6th probe, which sure sounds worse than Watergate.

[A]

The conducts arguably is worse than Watergate.

[C]

Why did they ask to know who I called and what I was doing from January 4th to the 7th? Can you tell me that?

[D]

No. Senator. And there were eight senators in total.

[C]

How dare you.

[D]

I'm a career prosecutor. Don't you ever challenge my integrity. I wish that you loved your state of California as much as you hate President Trump. Would be in really good shape then.

[C]

When will it be that the members.

[B]

Of this committee, on a bipartisan basis, demand answers to those questions and refuse to accept lawyers someone can and cannot use to accept.

[C]

All right, Mr. Morrow, you are the lawyer here. Can you tell us what. What it Is this story in a. In a. And they fair world bigger than Watergate or where do you see this going?

[A]

Well, let's see where it goes. So I would say a couple of things. First of all, anything like this has to be opened with what's called a predication document.

[C]

All right, all right, you already lost me.

[A]

So the FBI, to do this, you need a document, and it has to spell out the contours of the case, and that then has to be lawyered. Right? It goes over. The lawyers have to approve it. Something like this at this level goes all the way up the chain. This went all the way. What's interesting is it almost certainly did not go all the way up the chain to the President. All right, because you would have just bumped into an auto pen. So this is another aspect of that. But that said, my point is this. Get that document. That document is going to demonstrate what they say they had in order to open up a case. Because you don't just start investigating. You got to open a case, especially at this level, to open up a case, to get this lawyer then approved. What was the justification to open on eight senators and a congressman? Lastly, real quick, understand what they were doing here. When you do something like this, you're just getting contact, right? You're just getting who called who. Okay? That's not as invasive as a wiretap. But the reason you do this is to build to a wiretap. You go from the bottom and you build up. What they're looking for with this is, look at this. This senator talked to this known bad guy. You go to a judge, you say, your honor, we got this connection. Now we got to bump it up. We need a wiretap order. That's what they would have been looking for. My question, because it does feel to me like we're still at the beginning of this thing because there's all these revelations is, did they do that? Are we going to find out that they were up on eight, nine congressional phones and that'll be a real explosion. So let's see where it goes.

[C]

Oh, I'm worried about my 3am calls to Lindsey Graham. Jesse, this seems like another case of projection. If you want to know what the Dems are up to, look at what they're accusing you of. The weaponizing. Weaponizing, Weaponizing.

[B]

I mean, they went crazy. I mean, that's not just senators. They went after parents, Catholics, the Trump campaign, Charlie Kirk, and then they indicted the entire inner circle of Donald Trump. The Democrat reaction to January 6th was worse than January 6th. We only know this from a whistleblower.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Ray buried this inside some secret vault somewhere. A whistleblower had to come, bring this to our attention. Imagine what else we're about to find out. So they cracked into these phones. That means you know where the senator was, exactly who was calling him, who he called, how long the phone conversation was. And that's an incredibly abusive overreach. And what they were probably trying to do is cast this wide net to create some grand criminal conspiracy and indict the entire Republican Party. And they used a guy that prosecuted war crimes in the Hague to do it. This guy should be in prison. And what they need to do is either appoint a special counsel or have some sort of Senate select committee to go up, do hearings, put Wray, put Garland, put Smith under oath. And if they lie, you throw them in prison. I'm also concerned about blackmail. This happens a lot in Washington. So you get all this info from a senator's phone. Maybe you don't use it. Maybe you see you called a mistress. Maybe it was a doctor, maybe it was a foreign national. And then you hold that over his head and you get him to do favors for the feds. You got to look into everything.

[C]

That is such a good point. I believe it was called the Arctic Frost investigation. My favorite flavor of Gatorade zero is Arctic Frost. You can look it up. It's there. What did you make? What do you make of this? Is it too. Is it one of those things that we think is a big deal but nobody else cares because it's too complicated?

[D]

Well, both things can be true on that. In that regard, I do think that we'll see the document. I do wonder if they ever figured out a way to go even further to that next step to figure out then. Then what was being said on the phone calls. Remember, if you go back, the Democrats hired television producers in order to really make a big show of the January six hearings. And I think that they realized they didn't have enough to make the sale and to be persuasive to the American people for what they were trying to achieve. So it seems to me that there was this overreach by the Biden team, and it was a little bit here, a little bit there, a little bit over here. And so then if you use the thread, you pull them all together, and then you pull on that thread, you find out, oh, wow, they were actually tracking senators phone calls.

[A]

It's because there was no, boss, I'm telling you, there was nobody running the show to say Stop. They were all running around doing what they want to do.

[C]

Jessica, that's a good point. Maybe this overreach resulted from the ultimate decision to have a phony, fake imposter for a president.

[E]

No, I don't think so. And no one has accused Merrick Garland of being phony or fake. And he was the one who was actually in charge of Jack Smith, not Joe Biden. I'm stunned that Republicans actually want to draw attention to this, because now we're rehashing the fact that the senators who were part of this investigation are not just random names that he picked off a list, but people who were either talking to Donald Trump or coconspirators that are named in Jack Smith's charging documents for trying to turn over a free and fair election. They're looking. That's actually, well, Lindsey Graham. It's funny that he was so aggressive at this. Why would they want to know who I called? Because he called Brad Raffensperger after Donald Trump, you remember, asked him, well, why can't you find me 11,587 votes or whatever? And Lindsey Graham also called him. And according to Raffensperger, he said that he thought that Lindsey Graham was interested in talking to him about the mail in ballots and maybe if they would be invalidated. Lindsey Graham has said he was just doing that as his role as senator. It had nothing to do with the fact that he was trying to overturn the election. That is not what a lot of people think about it. So doesn't matter. Lindsey Graham sitting there being enraged is hilarious. I'm so glad that you said that. This is a metadata issue versus wiretapping, because Josh Hawley is up there holding up a billboard that refutes exactly what he's saying. He's like, you wiretap me. It's like, no, actually, we just know what's on the call logs.

[C]

I wish you guys would understand what words mean. I think all you know what words, all your mistakes are from the fact that you don't get language. No, like, fine, you just mentioned, like, find me votes. Do you know what that meant? Or are you, like, trying to infer a greater conspiracy?

[E]

Is, do you know what that meant? Republican Party's motto is January six doesn't matter. Why are we even investigating it? And that's what you're saying when you're pointing it.

[C]

I'm all for pushing Jan6. That's what got Trump elected.

[E]

And he'll get elected for a third.

[B]

Okay, so treating. So treating Democrat senators like terrorists and Looking into their phones is okay now.

[E]

If you are.

[B]

Is that okay now? So we can look into Shift's phone.

[E]

First of all, I don't want to say look into your phone because a call log is not.

[B]

You don't even know the difference between a man or a woman. Yes, I know the difference between a wire and getting. And if you want to deliver right now, I will deliver that baby.

[E]

Most threatening thing that you have said to me, and you have said it multiple times, my children to bear.

[C]

Your child to bear.

[E]

Right. That's not how it works.

[B]

Men could get pregnant.

[E]

No, I didn't. I am not a lunatic.

[A]

Stephen Miller.

[C]

Kids, we got to move on. Coming up, meathead Rob Reiner says we got one year till Trump destroys democracy for good.

[A]

So it's been almost a year since Trump's victory, and liberal Hollywood still cannot believe it. Rob Reiner seriously thinks America's only got a year left before President Trump somehow takes away democracy.

[B]

People have to understand.

[A]

Our democracy is being taken away from us and we.

[C]

Only have about a year. It's a vague term, democracy. It's like, what does that mean?

[A]

The Constitution? We don't know what that means.

[C]

Our job now as communicators is to.

[A]

Start communicating to the rest of the country to let them know what is.

[C]

Going to happen to them.

[A]

You got to wonder how he came up with the one year metric here. But now that democracy is going, the ice caps are melting. Dana, is this the message that's going to work for the midterms?

[D]

I just wish that he would just, you know, Sleepless in Seattle is a great movie and we could use a little bit of that. Everything that I'm watching right now is very dark and I could use a little romantic comedy.

[C]

You mean you want more movies with white people, Dana, Like Sleepless in Seattle?

[D]

Yes, yes. And also the Princess Bride. If we could throw that one in there, that would be great.

[A]

Spinal Tub.

[D]

I never saw that. That's that thing, the go to 11 or something like that. Okay, right. Anyway, did you guys see he was interviewed on 60 Minutes this weekend?

[A]

Yeah.

[D]

And it was a love fest. It was. Oh, my gosh. Maybe Barry Weiss is going to figure something out over there. But I do. I will end with this. The idea that Trump is going to cancel the 2028 election is actually gaining hold with more people than you think. I'm starting to see it pop up on X a little bit more. Heard someone say it the other day. I'm like, no, guys, where are you getting this? But maybe from Rob Reiner.

[A]

Yeah. Hollywood still has influence. Jessica, is this going to work? Is this a good message? What do you think for the midterms?

[E]

Well, I wouldn't make a bumper sticker out of it like we've done before, but, I mean, the bumper sticker should say, like, your groceries are too damn high and that Donald Trump promised he'd fix it. That's it. Oh, and you don't have health care anymore because of Donald Trump illegals. Okay, whatever. Yeah. It's not the lead argument, but it is part of the story, certainly. And the 2028 election, that's far away. People are concerned about militarized cities and what happens at polling places.

[A]

For 2026, the message is, anything is permissible because Donald Trump's going to end the country, which is why we get the spying on eight, nine members of Congress. Jesse? No.

[B]

Yeah, it's a lot of conspiracy theories with the left. They're constantly hooked on these conspiracy theories. Like the COVID came from a wet market. I mean, they take Chinese propaganda and then they just regurgitate it on national television. Or that Trump is some sort of Russian puppet. They did that for two years. These people are, like, not in touch with reality at all. And this is coming from me. I like conspiracy theories. I seek them out, and they're usually right, and they're usually. The dumb ones are coming from the left.

[E]

Why are you pointing at me?

[B]

You're on my left, actually. You're on my right.

[E]

Yeah.

[A]

Greg, take us out.

[C]

I don't think. It's not conspiracies at all. I think right now they're just better at creative narrative fixes in their head than they are on screen. The movies are not working out, so they're creating these movies in their imagination. Look, if you look at Trump and Kirk and Ice and Musk, none of them were in danger until these narrative fictions came up. No one wanted Trump dead when he was doing the Apprentice. Everybody loved Musk until suddenly they didn't. It was an assigned opinion. It came from above. These people are running loops of the same movie in their head. But you have to ask, and it goes back to the AOC thing. Why are some people susceptible to this derangement addiction? And I think it's because they make politics personal. Whereas I look at Kamala or Joe Biden, I don't see evil. I see hilarious, buffoonish. It's largely because I don't take politics personally. I think the moment. Then it's a personal affront to your egos when you're wrong. Then you become aggressive and ultimately you can't become violent.

[A]

That's why Hollywood keeps preaching to us exactly that. Because to them it's personal. Make movies. Stay out of the politics. Whoever's going to do the AI movies going forward. The 15 year old in his bedroom. Hurry up. All right. Free us from these people. Up next, the Man Without a Golden Gun. Amazon just disarmed James Bond.

[D]

I have to turn my head until.

[E]

My darkness Force factor Hair growth accelerator. It's the Spy who Disarmed Me. Amazon Prime Video. Removing the guns from various James Bond movie posters, classics like Dr. No or Thunderball to the modern blockbusters that star Pierce Brosnan and Daniel Craig. Greg, are you upset that the weaponry has been.

[C]

Not at all. You know, the thing is, let's be honest about James Bond. A violent, misogynistic, cisgendered beneficiary of white privilege. I was under the impression that a black woman or perhaps a lesbian would be playing James Bond. I was thinking and hoping secretly for RuPaul or maybe even Rand Paul. I'm still not sure which Paul. Maybe Paul Morrow, maybe Mrs. Paul's fish sticks. I don't really care. The bottom line is Bond was killed in the last movie. I don't understand this. He was killed in the last movie. Why are we talking about this?

[E]

Greg consistently does. Prepare for my block.

[A]

Leave me.

[E]

What do you have?

[A]

First of all, more toxic masculinity. And I guess somebody someplace made the decision that this was triggering. And all I would say is, who's the triggering arbiter? Who's the triggering czar? Do I. Do I get to say, you know what? Drag queens dancing in front of five years. That's my trigger. We all get one. Apparently, because somebody decided that a Walter ppk, which is a gun about that big, by the way, is somehow triggering, no pun intended, and they had to take this out. It's ridiculous. They don't understand how the world works. They don't understand law enforcement intel works. Leave them with the gun. Leave it alone. Leave us something, for God's sake.

[E]

Dana.

[D]

Well, it's ridiculous because who stops bad guys with guns? A good guy with a gun. And that's what Bond is. Unless you don't believe that anymore. I think it was gutless by Amazon.

[E]

Gutless, Jesse?

[B]

Well, Spielberg took away the gun from a cop's hand in ET's remake. And the Beatles took away the cigarette in the Abbey Road cover. And Netflix actually took away a Playboy magazine in Back to the Future Part two. You Know, Jessica, authoritarian regimes in Hollywood both do this to history. See, I can do that too.

[E]

I mean, it was a little ineffective.

[B]

I thought it was very effective.

[E]

You always think that you're very effective. Okay, one more thing to stop.

[B]

This is very important.

[E]

Our brain. Thanks.

[B]

Time now for one more thing. Happy birthday to Ellie and Sophie. They're 14. Can you believe it? They're 14. Very, very big day. Love you guys. Tonight, Jesse Waters prime time we have Kristi Noem, Josh Hawley, your favorite senator, Josh Holland, Charlie Hurt and Julie Banderas. 8pm Julia Bandaris.

[C]

GG all right, tonight we got a great show. Tom Salou, Elaine Kalatti, cat tip. Jamie, Liz. I'll start brownable without Brittany. Let's do this, Greg. Sexy bear news. All right, we're gonna do a little sexy bear news starring Brit Hume. Here we go. I won't you check out that. That bear's name is Jackson. He's a grizzly bear and crawn zoo. Sometimes I just like to watch and roll around. I think about those times in the summer working for my pair would come over and say, brit, what you doing? And I'd say, why don't you come over here and I'll show you. We'd roll in the grass, scratch each other's itches. He would mark his scent and it would mark my memory for life. We never saw each other again.

[B]

Oh my God. I don't know how I can anybody?

[D]

Yeah. Wow.

[B]

Do you have a Brett bear you'd like?

[D]

No, I have a Japanese aquarium. They rescued a penguin and they have to feed the penguin wearing these masks because they're afraid that if the penguin sees their faces, the penguin will think that they're his parents. So they want the penguin to be able to be reunited with others. So I mean, that's very, very thoughtful of them, don't you think?

[B]

Sometimes I want to wear a mask when Greg talks.

[C]

I would like you to wear a mask, Jessica.

[B]

I'm sure you would, you sicko.

[E]

This year nine para athletes refused to let their serious injuries stand in the way of their goals. Together they competed in the Twin Cities Marathon using hand cycles and E assists. Among them was Joe Daly who ran his first Twin Cities marathon back in 2002 and a month later was in a life altering car accident. 23 years later he competed again. Go Joe.

[A]

That is not Paul.

[B]

Sorry, Paul.

[A]

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[C]

Wherever you get your podcasts.