Democrats Pushed To Get Meaner, Louder

Summary

Podcast Summary: "Democrats Pushed To Get Meaner, Louder"

Podcast: The Five (FOX News Podcasts)
Date: November 14, 2025
Panel: Julian Turner (host), Emily Campagno, Harold Ford Jr., Jesse Waters, Greg Gutfeld

Overview

This episode revolves around the emerging trend among some Democrats and left-leaning media personalities to adopt a more aggressive, less civil approach in political discourse, contrasted with the Trump/MAGA movement and its media coverage. The panel debates the rise of "wine mom" podcasts, escalating rhetoric on both sides, the fallout from BBC’s doctored Trump footage, and the politics of affordability after the 2024 election. The episode concludes with lighter segments on workplace annoyances, prank calls, and news oddities.

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Key Discussion Points

1. The Rise of "Meaner, Louder" Democratic Rhetoric

• Trigger:
  • Panel discusses The Telegraph profiling the "I've Had It" podcast (hosted by Jennifer Welch), hailed by some liberals as a sharp, foul-mouthed counterweight to Joe Rogan.
  • Clip from "I've Had It" heard denigrating Republicans with aggressive insults and mockery.
• Democratic Voices Escalating:
  • Comedians Samantha Bee and even Hunter Biden advocating that Democrats need to "stand up and scream" and that "civility is overrated".
  • Panelists note the undercurrent that some on the left are abandoning civility for cathartic rage and viral moments.
• Notable Quote:
  • “You never want to date a woman like this ... She makes Andrew Dice Clay look like a choir boy. This is like insult comedy without the comedy. It’s an hour of hate speech… If a right winger was saying this, they’d be de-platformed.” – Jesse Waters (04:25)
• Skepticism About Podcast Popularity:
  • Debate ensues over whether "I've Had It" is as influential as claimed; Harold Ford Jr. challenges its Apple Podcast ranking status.

Timestamps:

• [01:05] – Introduction to topic; emergence of trash-talking wine moms in liberal media
• [04:09–05:42] – Panel skewers podcast’s tone and impact
• [06:01] – Comparison with Joe Rogan's style and audience

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2. Politics of Escalating Rancor & Emotional Outlets

• Civil Discourse vs. Outrage:
  • Panel splits between advocating civil debate (Harold Ford Jr.) and accepting/criticizing the new "louder, meaner" stream as entertainment or political projection (Gutfeld, Waters).
• Psychology of Anger:
  • Greg Gutfeld provides a deeper analysis that the rage and outrage in these podcasts is “a relationship that tricks you into the idea that there’s nothing else out there... it’s kind of sad. We get content out of this, but it’s not an enjoyable life for them.” (07:21)
  • Emily Campagno calls the phenomenon “just hysteria … and the only good hysteria is Def Leppard’s album.” (13:44)

Timestamps:

• [07:02–08:33] – Gutfeld and the panel dissect the motivations behind the escalation in rhetoric

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3. BBC’s January 6th Edit and Trump’s Legal Threat

• Background:
  • BBC edited Trump’s January 6 speech, allegedly splicing parts 50+ minutes apart to make it appear he was inciting violence.
  • BBC apologizes but rejects defamation claims.
• Discussion:
  • Emily Campagno (legal analysis): “This was clearly actual malice. At a minimum, reckless disregard... Splicing together two statements 54 minutes apart... BBC made it as if his entire conclusion, the entire thesis, was one of violence.” (16:04)
  • Jesse Waters: "This wasn't criticism; it was deception. ... This network must be crushed." (19:22)
  • The incident is framed as an example of media bias and defamation, affecting not just Trump but all his supporters.
• Notable Quote:
  • "If Trump was as bad as everybody tells you, why do they have to make stuff up?" – Jesse Waters (20:38)

Timestamps:

• [14:59] – Segment introduction
• [16:04–19:22] – Legal, media, and political implications

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4. Affordability Crisis & Blame Game Post-2024 Election

• J.D. Vance Clip:
  • Trump administration blames inherited inflation, debt, and housing crisis on Democrats; also blames illegal immigration for housing shortages ([22:34]).
• Democrat Response – Going "Full Communist":
  • Panel mocks Seattle’s new socialist mayor’s proposal for “public option grocery stores” as an unrealistic, socialist solution to food deserts ([23:17]).
  • Gutfeld derides socialism as promising lofty goals without functional plans.
• Panel Analysis
  • Harold Ford Jr.: Voters want real solutions over party fighting. The panel agrees accountability for "affordability" is shifting as voters’ patience expires.
  • Back-and-forth on whether “affordability” messaging resonates, and how young progressive politicians are often inexperienced in the real-world economics behind their policies.

Notable Quotes:

• "Whenever you confront a lefty about their goals, then you ask them about how to get there. What do they say? ‘Let's have a conversation.’ That is their way of saying they don't have any way to get there." – Greg Gutfeld (27:00)
• "They morphed equality into equity. They morphed equity into affordability… Ask: Affordability for whom, from whom?" – Gutfeld (27:50)

Timestamps:

• [22:23–23:36] – Vance on roots of affordability problem
• [23:36–30:00] – Critique of progressive economics and messaging

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5. Lighter Segments and Banter

Target's "Mandatory Smile" Policy

• Panel jokes about Target’s new requirement for workers to smile and greet customers. Perspectives range from calling it “creepy” (Gutfeld) to bemoaning society’s declining etiquette to mocking Fox News’ own friendliness culture.

Timestamp:

• [32:06–34:38] – Target smile policy discussion

Work Annoyances & Prank Calls

• Rapid-fire Q&A on habits that annoy coworkers, personal quirks, and childhood prank call memories.
  • "The thing that annoys me about you is every time I see you, you flip me off." – Jesse Waters to Emily Campagno (35:24)
  • Jerky Boys, whoopee cushions, and prank pizza deliveries feature prominently in the nostalgia.

Timestamp:

• [34:48–39:05] – Banter and interactive questions

Quirky Headlines

• Guessing game about criminals in a car, stray commentary on AI robots, and tribute to a heroic police dog provide a humorous close.

Timestamp:

• [39:32–41:47] – Offbeat news and sign-off

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On the new “trash talking wine moms” movement:
  • “She makes Andrew Dice Clay look like a choir boy. This is like insult comedy without the comedy.” – Jesse Waters (04:25)
  • "This is just hysteria. And the only good hysteria is Def Leppard's album." – Emily Campagno (13:44)
  • "It's a relationship that tricks you into the idea there's nothing else out there... it's kind of sad." – Greg Gutfeld (07:21)
• On BBC's Trump edit:
  • “This wasn’t criticism, it was deception. ... They created, deliberately, a narrative that Trump led an insurrection... This network must be crushed.” – Jesse Waters (19:22)
• On progressive economics:
  • “Affordable healthcare is way costlier than the alternative. ... When socialism starts with a goal, it ends in a disaster.” – Greg Gutfeld (27:00)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

| Segment | Timestamp | |---------------------------------------|---------------| | Rise of wine mom podcasts | 01:05–06:06 | | Motivations & impact of outrage media | 06:01–08:33 | | BBC/Trump legal wrangle | 14:59–21:34 | | Affordability politics | 22:23–30:00 | | Target smile policy | 32:06–34:38 | | Office habits & prank calls | 34:48–39:05 | | Q&A/quirky news wrap-up | 39:32–41:47 |

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Tone & Takeaways

The panel delivers a blend of sarcasm, legal/media analysis, and cultural skepticism about the “meaner, louder” direction in left-leaning politics, ultimately seeing it as performative, emotionally driven, and disconnected from policy solutions or coalition-building. The conversation also frequently veers into banter and lighthearted ribbing, consistent with the show’s personality-driven format.

For Listeners:
If you want sharp commentary on the shift in Democratic messaging, skepticism toward viral outrage media, critical takes on progressive economic fixes, and the usual dose of “The Five” humor, this episode covers it all with a mixture of snark and substance.

Transcript

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[Emily Campagno]

Hello, I'm Julian Turner along with Emily Campagno, Harold Ford Jr. Jesse Waters and Greg Gutfeld. It is five o' clock here in New York. This is the five. All right, tea Party, move over. There's a new political coalition forming now as Democrats are seeking a tougher, more aggressive message to counter President Trump and maga. You can say hello to the trash talking wine moms, the Telegraph noting the popularity of the liberal I've had it podcast front and center, a former reality TV star from Oklahoma, Jennifer Welch. She's now being heralded on the left as the answer or the antidote to Joe Rogan. And it's because of foul mouthed takes on maga. Republicans like this one felon is the teeny weeny mushroom piece of Kankles McTaco.

[Greg Gutfeld]

At the top of the ticket.

[Emily Campagno]

I have had it from get your out of the Mexican restaurant, get your.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Fat over to cracker barrel true white supremacists like Stephen Miller. And even though he's Jewish, he's like.

[Emily Campagno]

A Nazi Jew Moses Mike Grinder Johnson.

[Greg Gutfeld]

When I see the Riley Gaines of the world, she's that came in fifth. You get to J.D. vance, who is a failed drag queen.

[Emily Campagno]

This comes as more liberal voices are demanding Democrats ditch civility altogether. Take a listen to comedians Samantha Bee and Hunter Biden. So sometimes you do just need to.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Stand up and scream.

[Emily Campagno]

I think civility is pretty overrated. I certainly am not in any way.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Advocating that we edge toward political violence.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

What I haven't seen is people going.

[Julian Turner]

We need to look at extremism in.

[Jesse Waters]

General and tone down the temperature yeah.

[Julian Turner]

No, that's a Turn the temperature up.

[Jesse Waters]

I say that we need to turn the temperature up. I am absolutely 100% not saying that it needs to be violence.

[Emily Campagno]

So here's Katie Couric talking to Senator John Fetterman. You can see pushing him to denigrate President Trump and Charlie Kirk.

[Greg Gutfeld]

You don't believe we're living in an autocracy. Would you concede that some of the things that he is doing are clearly anti Democratic and also are potentially even unconstitutional?

[Julian Turner]

We happen to have a different view of these things.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

You know, it's like, I don't call people fascists or Nazis or compare people to Hitler.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Did you have any issues now, in hindsight over some of the things that Charlie Kirk said and some of the rhetoric he used during his life?

[Harold Ford Jr.]

I didn't agree with. With much of it.

[Emily Campagno]

So. All right, let's talk wine moms. Jesse. They got 4 million followers on social media.

[Julian Turner]

Yeah.

[Emily Campagno]

They got Barack Obama, Kamala Harris, Zoran Mamdani interviewed. They're like number two or something on the Apple podcast charts.

[Julian Turner]

They are.

[Emily Campagno]

They are.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

I checked that. That's wrong.

[Emily Campagno]

It's time for you, Rogan.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

It's Theo Vaughn and it's Tucker. They don't even crack the top 10. I can't believe we're leading with these women.

[Emily Campagno]

Wait. Oh, for the society. Number two on the Apple charts for society and culture podcast.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

Oh, okay.

[Julian Turner]

There you go.

[Jesse Waters]

That's like the Amazon lists, right?

[Harold Ford Jr.]

So it's like a micro section. You never want to date a woman like this. And here's why. She writes checks that the boyfriend can't cash. You take a person like this to a bar, she has one pop runs her mouth. She's going to get slapped. You got to stick up for, and then you're going to get knocked out. You stay far away. She makes Andrew Dice Clay look like a choir boy. This is like insult comedy without the comedy. It's an hour of hate speech. And I don't even know what hate speech is, but if a right winger was saying this, they'd be de platformed. And doesn't it say a lot about the Democratic Party that they actually have people gravitating to this show?

[Emily Campagno]

She has a really nice apartment, by the way.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

Well, she's an interior decorator, and that's probably where she should have stayed.

[Jesse Waters]

She should work on the face, though.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

But anyway, the face of the clock.

[Julian Turner]

Greg.

[Jesse Waters]

Yes.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

We have to thank Andy Cohen for this woman. He made her famous, and now we're all paying the price. I looked into her background. She's an atheist and she divorced her husband, but is still living in the same house as the husband. So the husband left the law practice because he was tied up in a bribery scandal and he's a recovering alcoholic.

[Emily Campagno]

That's not the husband, though.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

That's not the husband.

[Emily Campagno]

Tommy Vitter.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

Very clear. He's a pod bro. And so she has a lot of hate and anxiety at home, and she's just projecting it onto the microphone.

[Emily Campagno]

But would you have an aperol spritz with her?

[Harold Ford Jr.]

I'll have a drink with pretty much anyone.

[Emily Campagno]

There you go. And Greg, you're probably just jealous that you didn't think to call Chuck Schumer chuckles first.

[Julian Turner]

No.

[Jesse Waters]

Yes. You know, I agree with Jesse. It's a slow news day.

[Julian Turner]

To.

[Jesse Waters]

To kind of position her as an answer to an answer to Joe Rogan is ridiculous. Rogan gets people, and his content, believe it or not, is largely apolitical. If you actually watch it, it's scientists, it's athletes, it's musicians, and it's comedians. A lot of them have political opinions, but generally you can get stuck with a three hour podcast with an astronomer and fall asleep. That's not what this is. If you call them wine moms, that's fine. But it attracts their own. It mainly is about gaining attention through shock value. That's what this is. It reminds me of Botched. Do you remember? It's a reality show on bad plastic surgery. It's kind of like that. It's kind of like. And I think they're using the same people. You know, I've had it crew. I think the. It is like lip injections and Botox shots. It's not a face. It's like a tribute to Easter Island. But it comes off for me. It comes off for me as a vanity project for people scared of aging and desperate for filling some kind of hole in their. In their lives with attention. They're embracing anti civility because anger is an emotion driven by self doubt. I've mentioned this before, and they're kind of procrastinating. It's unpleasant to face what is beneath your anger, so you project it instead. Because beneath the anger is the fear and self doubt that you might be wrong. And that is terrifying. This is why you see people as they get closer and closer to realizing how wrong they are. They only get angrier when in fact they could just very easily confront what is underneath the anger, which is this self doubt becomes like an addiction. They cannot imagine what their life would be like. Without this pursuit, you know, what do I do after that if I stop being angry? Like what Mrs. Kimmel said, she said, I wish I could be deprogrammed. What she was saying is that her life had gotten so narrow that it was just her and Trump. That was it. And it could have been her and vodka or her and pain pills. It's exactly the same thing. It's a relationship that tricks you into the idea that there's nothing else out there. And it's kind of. It's kind of sad. We get content out of this, but it's not an enjoyable life for them. See how compassionate I am?

[Emily Campagno]

You just went really deep.

[Jesse Waters]

I was not expecting $325.

[Emily Campagno]

Harold. People are listening, though. You know, there's an audience here.

[Julian Turner]

There is, unfortunately. Good to be with you. The country, you listen to things like that and you realize that we don't need more rancor or division in the country. That I think deep down inside, I think people want civility in our politics. Over the last 20, 25 years, we've seen a degradation in it, both sides, the language, the pursuits, the pursuits seem to be more just winning the campaign and then initiating, starting the next campaign right after the first, right after that campaign has ended, forgetting that you made a set of promises and pledges to people, to voters that you were going to try to act on and try to improve their lives on. It happens up and down about. You see, I think President Trump, one of the reasons people elected him again was because he promised to deal with things that were hard, harden people's lives, and if he deals with in the right way, his party will benefit. These group of people say they are aligned more with my party. They're really not. They're aligned more with the politics of the day and the way politics is litigated and practiced today. You don't solve big problems driving people apart. You don't stare down big challenges. You think about what we were able to accomplish in the 20th century. There was certainly division in our country, but we won two world wars. We gave women and blacks the right to vote. We invented the airplane, the radio, the transistor, the assembly line, the Internet, the computer. These are all American inventions for us to win the 21st century. This is not the politics that's going to do it. We've given an example on my side, but there are plenty of examples on the other. And I just hope that we find ways to get above the rancor and division and not just civility, but being a thing, but solving problems. What?

[Jesse Waters]

You have to give an example that is of equal value. You said both sides. I'm not. I'm going to hold you to it. Do we ever call anybody Hitler or Nazis? I think not, Harold.

[Julian Turner]

No. But. But, but.

[Jesse Waters]

In your face.

[Julian Turner]

President Trump calls Democrats stupid.

[Jesse Waters]

Leaders. He calls leaders. He doesn't call people that. He doesn't call the entire Democrat Party low iq. Yeah, he calls them leaders. Yeah, but he doesn't call the vote. He doesn't go after the people because he sees them as votes.

[Julian Turner]

If you want to say Democrats, do it three, three out of four times more than Rep. Fine. It needs to stop. And I think there are plenty examples. He caved. You know what? I want to solve things. You never hear people. We hear in politics, people always saying, fight, fight, fight. And I'm not. This is not meant to be against the president or against Democrats, but no one. You never hear people saying solve. You're right, solve. And that's where. That's where I am. And maybe you have a lot in.

[Jesse Waters]

Common with Trump because that's all he wants to do is solve. It's the Democrats that. That just said we need to.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

All the. All.

[Jesse Waters]

The shutdown was. The narrative was fight, fight, fight.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

Yeah.

[Emily Campagno]

Emily, there's also this. I want to make sure we get this in. I'll come back to you, Harold. Sorry.

[Julian Turner]

I'm sorry. I forgot emeralds. Forgive me.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Oh, my God. You're late.

[Julian Turner]

No, I thought you talked already. Sorry.

[Emily Campagno]

Take a look. We have Gallup poll just out that shows record numbers of young women want to leave the US this year. 40% of women polled age 15 to 44 say they would move abroad permanently if they had the opportunity.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

Move abroad?

[Emily Campagno]

I would like to follow up and, like, see how many of women actually follow through, but that's a separate topic.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Yeah, great. Bye, girl. Look, I have issues with calling this some type of movement. A movement to me, actually calls out votes or policy in some reason. And to me, this. This is defining politics through emotion. There's no persuasion here. There's no policy here. And emotion alone does not produce structural change that you guys desperately need. These individuals are screaming on podcasts, they are lazy. They don't leave their living room, they gussy themselves up in their designer closets, and they put their headphones on behind their bangs and make sure they look cute for the masses. They're actually interacting with people, and they certainly as hell are not interacting with those Americans that they are denigrating for shopping at Walmart or. Or eating a cracker barrel. Like I do. And I think it might feel cathartic for them to shout and to feel, you know, the replies and the responses from other moms like, you go, girl, because maybe their husband's ignoring them. But for those of us in the real world, it's actual connections and actual policies that actually matter. So what the media here, the left wing media, is calling a movement. It's actually just an emotional outlet. We are watching them have a tantrum. And the reason that the rhetoric is escalating, the reason they are foul mouthed and failed drag queens, look who's talking. The reality is it's because the outcomes aren't escalating. So in their desperation as they see that so many people with common sense have flocked to Donald Trump's movement, that the populist movement, where people see power has been restored to the individuals, they are losing their minds. True, movements have strategy. They have strategy, they have organization, they have cohesion. This has what vibes. So to sum up, to me, this is just hysteria. And the only good hysteria is Def Leppard's album.

[Emily Campagno]

That's a good way to go out. That and pointing out that Greg has affected a lot of change, structural change, through being very emotional.

[Jesse Waters]

Yes, that's true. You wouldn't deny that I'm a very emotional person.

[Emily Campagno]

You're the exception. So, coming up next, the BBC apologizes to President Trump for their edit of a January six video. Is he going to sue the outlet? Stick with us.

[Greg Gutfeld]

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[Harold Ford Jr.]

The BBC apologizing to President Trump in the face of a $1 billion legal threat. The Brits admitted they slapped together two parts of his January 6 speech, more than 50 minutes apart, in a way that made it appear he was advocating violence. We're going to walk down to the Capitol and I'll be there with you.

[Jesse Waters]

And we fight.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

We fight like hell.

[Jesse Waters]

And if you don't fight like hell.

[Julian Turner]

You'Re not going to have a country anymore.

[Jesse Waters]

We're going to walk down to the.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

Capitol.

[Jesse Waters]

And we're going to cheer on.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

Our brave senators and congressmen and women.

[Jesse Waters]

And we're probably not going to be cheering.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

So much for Some of them. But the broadcaster is rejecting Trump's billion dollar demand for damages, saying this quote. While the BBC sincerely regrets the manner in which the video clip was edited, the. We strongly disagree there is a basis for a defamation claim. Do you strongly disagree there's a basis.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Wait. I strongly agree there is a basis for defamation. This was clearly actual malice. At a minimum, reckless disregard. And I want to go back to something that. Let's talk about this. Legally speaking, the appropriate remedy for a massive reputational hit, potential swaying or material impact on an election is not an apology. So President Trump is absolutely correct that here, the defamation, the injury to his reputation, the material impact to the election that is so clear they spliced together two statements 54 minutes apart. BBC argues that's just a bad edit, it was unintentional. But the material message of the President's speech was the peaceful and patriotic people's voices we made heard peacefully and patriotic. BBC made it as if his entire conclusion, the entire thesis, was one of violence. So absolutely the distortion is material and real. And if they think they're going to get away with simply an apology, they won't. They have better arguments about venue and jurisdiction than they do about the malice. But I hope to God that President Trump does not accept a settlement from them. Not one cent at this stage. Because I want it to go to trial. Because I want BBC to stand corrected for this horrific editing that they've done to multiple people.

[Emily Campagno]

Can I ask her a quick question?

[Harold Ford Jr.]

No, that's not how the show works.

[Emily Campagno]

It's your segment.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

But if you want to. If you want to.

[Emily Campagno]

So they say, and like the point about the material damage to his campaign. And the BBC is saying that is not true and offering as evidence, they say the fact that he won the presidential election makes that moot. Like they could not have caused him any reputational damage because he won the election. Does that have. Does that play, like, legally?

[Greg Gutfeld]

Well, that harm is not an. It's not an on, off switch. So there is absolutely reputational harm. And we go through this a lot with these public figures. That's why there's the actual malice standard, that the spectrum is very real. Very real. And you cannot in any way claim that President Trump was not harmed. Reputationally. We talk about the Internet, the global wild, spreading all through Australia and BBC there from their editing. I'm sorry, Greg.

[Julian Turner]

Will.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

I can see Greg salivating. But we're not going to you, Greg. Oh, no, we're going to the other lawyer. Other lawyer. Do you think the BBC will be paying for the Trump presidential library.

[Julian Turner]

Oh, no, it'll get, it'll get sorted out. And I'm not, I'm not, I'm not convinced the President won't settle. The President has settled most of these cases and he's made it clear the money, the monetary thing is his focus. I haven't looked at it closely enough to understand. I think that Emily outlined correctly the legal standard. It's unclear to me. If you take, if someone is giving a singular speech and you splice up in a singular speech. If you splice up several speeches they did, I don't know. But this, I think that my recollection in law school, there's a standard around it. But you're smarter than me. You would know that. Two things. Politicians, especially presidents, no one likes criticism and no one likes unfair criticism like this. And the BBC. The apology may not be enough. I think there's probably an in between, between the apology and a billion. And somebody, somebody will.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

Wide, wide gap, Greg.

[Jesse Waters]

Well, you know, this wasn't criticism, it was deception. And they wouldn't be apologizing if they hadn't been caught. So we should actually like. Let's go over what the damage was done. He won the presidency. That's not what it's about. They created, deliberately created a narrative that Trump led an insurrection that was amplified repetitively all throughout the world. It didn't just tar Trump, but it tarred all of his supporters and it led to a branding fascist, authoritarian Nazi Hitler, which then put targets on people's backs which made them more likely to be shot or murdered. Whether it be Trump or Charlie Kirk, this was no innocent mistake. This network must be crushed. I want to live in a world where BBC only stands for something on an adult friendly site. I love having how like Stelter complains about how it's unfair you're holding these networks to a higher standard. Well, duh, they elevated themselves to a higher standard. We don't walk around lying repeatedly so the lies match our narratives. We don't pretend to be perfect. The legacy media is dead. All that's missing is the toe tag. Last but not least.

[Emily Campagno]

What's cat toe tag?

[Greg Gutfeld]

Toe tag like autopsy. It's a game I play down a dead person.

[Jesse Waters]

All right.

[Julian Turner]

Okay.

[Jesse Waters]

You casual anti Trumpers need to ask yourself this. If Trump was as bad as everybody tells you, why do they have to make stuff up? Why do they have to doctor or edit reality to fit their narrative?

[Harold Ford Jr.]

Simple question, simple question, simple answer.

[Julian Turner]

But I'm going to have the good.

[Emily Campagno]

World weather you are. Have you ever seen BBC World weather? It's amazing.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Not as good as Fox Weather.

[Emily Campagno]

It's like in Canada today, it's going to be cold over here in the Middle east, it's going to be more mild. It's going to be in the 50s, 60s. You want to get in Latin America, it's like amazing.

[Jesse Waters]

You want to get really disgusted with the BBC. Look at their trans coverage where they actually said that breast milk for men claiming to be women was every bit as nutritious for babies as biological women's breast milk. What kind of mind, what kind of mentality, ideology, whatever you, it's a sickness to actually push that.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

When Harold was lactating, I found his breast milk delicious and nutritious.

[Julian Turner]

You said you wouldn't tell anybody.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

Coming up next, JD Vance outlines how Trump will clean up Joe Biden's affordability crisis.

[Emily Campagno]

Congratulation.

[Julian Turner]

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[Jesse Waters]

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[Julian Turner]

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[Greg Gutfeld]

Vice President J.D. vance turning the tables against the Democrats who are attacking administration over the affordability crisis by reminding them who got us in this mess in the first place. Watch.

[Jesse Waters]

We inherited the highest peacetime debt and deficits in the history of the United States of America. We inherited the worst inflation crisis in.

[Julian Turner]

At least the last 40 years and.

[Jesse Waters]

I think probably longer. So a lot of Americans, when we took over, they were struggling. We flooded the country with 30 million illegal immigrants who were taking houses that ought, by right go to American citizens. And at the same time, we weren't building enough new houses to begin with, even for the population that we had.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Now contrast that with the Democrats acting like the answer to the affordability crisis is to go full on communist. Seattle's new socialist mayor elect is literally talking about not letting private grocery stores close together.

[Emily Campagno]

We can build a Seattle where fresh food is for everyone, not just for those who can afford it. Food deserts are not natural. Corporations create them when they abandon our communities. As mayor, I'm excited to step up and with ufcw, explore public option grocery stores to fill those gaps.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Harold, what is she talking about and how did that win?

[Julian Turner]

I don't know. But I'll tell you this. I'm about tired of any party when you win the presidency, we are 11. We're 10 or 11 months in, people elected President Trump and Vice President Vance to address the affordability issue in prices. They were put over the finish line because more voting, more groups of people who normally vote Democrat, people who were pro union people whom were African American, people who were women, young voters, pockets of voters. Democrats won overwhelmingly. President Trump made great gains in the 2024 election.

[Jesse Waters]

Why?

[Julian Turner]

If you listen to those people, you listen to the exit polling. Many believe that President Trump was going to make their lives better. He was going to make things more affordable. He was going to get us a deal in parts all across the world, in Ukraine, on TikTok and all these things. Now he has shut the border down. I give him the greatest credit for that. He is sending the guard in to help reduce crime. I wish they would do more in communities where you have too many, too many incidences of violent crime. But I'll give him. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt on that, where he's not winning on his prices. The reason that woman won out there is because I don't necessarily support her ideas, but people are mad about prices being as high as they are. The reason Democrats had such a great night a week and a half ago, in contrast that with a year ago from today, where President Trump cleaned the clocks of Democrats winning all the battleground states, winning the electoral and popular vote. A Republican hadn't done that in a long, long time. I just think, as I've tried to say on this show many times over the last few days, nothing is inevitable in politics. It's all fluid. If you deliver for voters, I don't care which party you're in, you're going to be. You're going to be rewarded. Democrats were rewarded a week and a half ago. And the question is, can they address these issues better than what the American people believe that the incumbents are not? If they don't, Emily, next year, Republicans will win in the midterms. The question is, between now and then, do we respond to voters? I am not convinced that mayor there has the right ideas, but I am convinced that the mayor of San Francisco, the mayor of Philadelphia, I love the direction they're taking their cities. And we'll see what happens in Georgia and Pennsylvania with these new Democrats they elected there.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Yeah. What's that vampire movie where the opening credits is like the blood coagulating?

[Jesse Waters]

Oh, love, actually.

[Greg Gutfeld]

So I feel like that's what we're actually seeing, Greg, is that the people who are sick of the rampant crime and the socialist policies that have been trickling through by eroding police departments and the like have fled to neighboring counties. So that's why Seattle is now full blown commie, but Bellevue is full blown Republican. Everyone with common sense that had the means to move fled. So are we seeing now essentially the makings of. What was that Stephen King book, love?

[Jesse Waters]

Actually, the Stand. The Stand. Would you call it a public option supermarket? Is that what you called it? Yeah, that. Imagine the vending machine at the dmv. That's your public options supermarket. You're in line at the dmv. That's it.

[Julian Turner]

You got the.

[Jesse Waters]

Those weird bags of chips that have, like, things that are from different bags of chips. Like, you get a cheese doodle and a tortilla chip.

[Julian Turner]

What was that bag called?

[Jesse Waters]

That's what you get.

[Julian Turner]

X Mix.

[Emily Campagno]

I'm probably gonna get.

[Jesse Waters]

I love ugs.

[Greg Gutfeld]

I love chips.

[Jesse Waters]

Yeah. It's so easy to have goals. It's harder to come up with a system to reach them. This is why, when you. When socialism starts with a goal, it ends in a disaster. Affordable healthcare is way costlier than the alternative. The Inflation Reduction act created more infl. Inflation. Rent control makes decent housing scarce. So whenever you confront a lefty about their goals, they'll have these goals. Then you ask them about how to get there. What do they say? We have. This is when we should have a conversation. Let's have a conversation. That is their way of saying they don't have any way to get there. But they will have the conversation about getting there, and they never do. So that's why you have to confront them. And you have to confront them, especially on this new affordability thing, because I do think it's working, because it's a great word, it's good persuasion, but you have to step back. They morphed equality into equity. They morphed equity into affordability. When somebody mentions affordability, simply ask for whom from whom? And then you'll end up with the classic redistribution scam which robs you of wealth and private property and freedom. And then you find yourself leaving for other areas. If you can leave.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Jesse, what do you make of the fact that both of these. Mom, Donnie and that girl in Seattle, they're half our age. Sorry, that was rude. They're half my age. My point is that they're sort of coming of age in a petri dish of echo chamber where they don't know the real world. They don't know how real economics works, and they certainly don't know how communism works.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

Well, for the record, Emily, they're not half my age.

[Emily Campagno]

They're.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

How old do you think I am?

[Greg Gutfeld]

The same age.

[Emily Campagno]

27.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Awesome.

[Julian Turner]

All right.

[Jesse Waters]

And second of all, how old is your hair?

[Harold Ford Jr.]

Second of all, I had this friend, Skinny, in high school, could dislocate his shoulder and reach up around into the vending machine and steal chips.

[Greg Gutfeld]

That's awesome.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

We called him Slim Jim. Baby boomers will eventually pass away, and when they do, they'll all do it at the same time. And then millions and millions of homes will become available like this that we also need to get rates down. And you do that because AI and the labor market softening and you have all these illegals that are going to get deported. So you drop rates and you can get people to buy. You also have a lot of rich liberals that live in these rich coastal cities that prevent property development because it keeps their properties higher priced. So once you start cutting that red tape, you can build more housing, and then people can get in the places with the highest rent. Boston, New York City and San Francisco. It's because it's all these young kids that just graduated from college. They want to go to the city and find love and find a great job, and they can't because the migrants have the homes and the boomers are sitting on them and they won't let anybody build. That's the problem.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Gillian.

[Emily Campagno]

Well, why doesn't the administration make that the messaging then? Because what we're getting is it's all Biden's fault. And to some degree, you can blame your predecessor, but we're coming up on a year. How long is that going to have currency for? You got to own it at a certain point. And if that's what the underlying problem is, people should start saying that. So far we have the vice president, as you mentioned, Emily, is blaming the crisis, the housing affordability crisis on illegal immigrants. You have the president saying essentially today in his truth social post, that affordability is a scam. It doesn't even exist. It's a buzzword. It's actually people's, like, lived experience.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

Well, they're also looking Instagram every day. And everybody's a billionaire, okay?

[Julian Turner]

But everybody is not a billionaire.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

Realistic.

[Emily Campagno]

Sitting in this chair, they look like it. When I go on Instagram with you at this table, when the Biden campaign was telling people that things were a lot better than they thought they were, they were telling people that not to believe their wallets.

[Jesse Waters]

What are the staples? Look at the gas.

[Emily Campagno]

And I don't think that's good.

[Jesse Waters]

Method butter.

[Julian Turner]

Housing. Electricity.

[Jesse Waters]

Definitely housing. And electricity. Thank you, liberals.

[Emily Campagno]

Thank you for letting me.

[Jesse Waters]

I'm talking about food. Talk about food.

[Julian Turner]

Beef.

[Jesse Waters]

Don't look at me that way.

[Emily Campagno]

Coffee, milk, egg, bread, Coffee.

[Julian Turner]

But it's amazing. Mr. Besson, who I like, said that we're going to. The president said we're going to get prices lower. You know how to get prices lower. We're going to lower the tariffs. It's an admission that tariffs were a price increase. If I were president of the United States and I had to party, my party took a on the House, in.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

The Senate, I wouldn't be complaining. I mean, coffee in America.

[Julian Turner]

I wouldn't be complaining. If I had the House, the Senate, and I was the president. About how the other. The guy before me, a year before me, had done his job. Do your job.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

Because Obama never mentioned Bush.

[Julian Turner]

He was wrong to it. Do your job.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

Do it. You do your job.

[Jesse Waters]

Do your job.

[Julian Turner]

Solution, solution, Solution is up next.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Stay with us.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

All I need is a miracle.

[Jesse Waters]

All I need is you.

[Julian Turner]

Welcome back. Target is the targeted backlash over a mandatory smile policy for its workers. The retail giant will require employees to grin and make contact whenever they are within 10ft of a customer and ask if they need help when they're within four feet of a customer.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Dude, grin is so creepy.

[Julian Turner]

I'm sorry you want to react to this, Ms. Emily.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Totally. So, first of all, grin is obviously psychotic. That's like the joker. I feel like obviously this policy is good. However, I wish that we didn't need to have a policy for it. And my pet peeve in the whole world is when you enter a room and people don't greet you. Like, in my family, we greet each other. Hi, Jesse.

[Jesse Waters]

Oh, my God.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Good to see you. Do you know what I mean?

[Julian Turner]

Oh, my God.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

Good to see you.

[Greg Gutfeld]

So in Target, and also I think I don't want them to get disciplined for, like, I was in the middle of, like, folding clothes, and this one shopper was like, you make eye contact with me. You know, like, everyone be cool and be friendly.

[Julian Turner]

You smile. Is this a policy in the Waters household?

[Harold Ford Jr.]

This is a policy at Fox. I try to acknowledge every person that I pass by in the hallway, in the elevator. I just give them a friendly. Not a grin, but I give them a friendly acknowledgement, a little smirk, you know, hey, how you doing?

[Emily Campagno]

You asked them if you can help them?

[Harold Ford Jr.]

No. Should I? Well, I mean, shouldn't they be asking how they can help me?

[Julian Turner]

Jolene, do you have thoughts on this?

[Harold Ford Jr.]

Not a problem.

[Julian Turner]

You have thoughts on this topic?

[Emily Campagno]

How can I help you.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

Oh, well, thank you for asking.

[Emily Campagno]

Oh, no.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

Could you host my show tonight so I can go home?

[Julian Turner]

Greg, you. As we talked about this, this was a topic that you found stimulating.

[Jesse Waters]

Well, I think Target is just asking its workers to be pleasant and leave your identity at home. Because we prioritized. Identity. You are not supposed to be who you are at work. You should not want to be who you are at work. It's not an attack on your ego to be serving a person. It's not attack on yourself to wait on someone because it's not you doing it. It's your job. You aren't your job. We. We've allowed the distinctions between identity and your employment to evaporate so that people actually, when they're waiting on you, feel like they're doing you a favor and, like, they don't like. And they want you to know that they're not happy doing it. And that. That's a. That's a modern thing. You don't see it with, like, you know, nice little old ladies at the. At the local pharmacy, but you might get it at cvs.

[Emily Campagno]

It's like you here pretending you want to talk to all of us Friday night.

[Julian Turner]

Yeah.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

I don't pretend you're at work now. Is this not who you are?

[Julian Turner]

This.

[Jesse Waters]

You know I'm talking about in the service industry, Right?

[Harold Ford Jr.]

Well, you're serving an audience.

[Jesse Waters]

I am, and they love me.

[Julian Turner]

I kind of like this policy, and I think those of us who go into stores, we should smile. Also. Make it. Make it go both ways. Fan. Nile. Friday fan. No. Friday's up next.

[Jesse Waters]

You're frozen in motion A perfect picture.

[Greg Gutfeld]

In a frame Some visions don't ever.

[Jesse Waters]

It's hard to say who'll be. That's the new Abbott Brothers that just came out today. It's an amazing record with Mike Patton. All right, first question. Belinda K. Yes. No, that was a C. Whatever. What do you do that annoys your co workers? And I think I know the answer, Emily, from you. What do you do that annoys your co workers?

[Greg Gutfeld]

Nothing. But what you do that annoys me is how every time I see you, you flip me off.

[Jesse Waters]

Does that annoy you?

[Greg Gutfeld]

No, I love it. I'm kidding.

[Jesse Waters]

Okay, well, then that doesn't count. What do you do?

[Greg Gutfeld]

Be nice to everyone, say hi and greet everyone. I don't think this question is for me to answer. I think you guys have to answer. What annoys what I do that annoys you?

[Jesse Waters]

No. Well, literally. Literally, no. The thing that annoys me about you Is that you introduce certain kind of sentence things that then we all pick up like she's. Where to your point came from?

[Emily Campagno]

You're welcome.

[Greg Gutfeld]

And 100 billion percent, yeah to your.

[Jesse Waters]

Point is all over Fox because of her. Harold, what do you think you do that annoys your coworkers?

[Julian Turner]

I think my mere presence.

[Jesse Waters]

Yes.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

Oh, no.

[Julian Turner]

And I think when I talk, when I flood the zone with facts, sometimes you don't.

[Jesse Waters]

Oh, I'm gonna say. I'm gonna say it's good to be around the table is like, you gotta retire that. I have to retire my Brit Hume impersonation. I'll retire my Brit Hume impersonation.

[Julian Turner]

When I travel, I get more. The two things that people say to me when I'm traveling is about, it's good to be back around the table or in your face.

[Jesse Waters]

Jesse.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

I know a specific example. I brought shrimp to the green room on my first day on the five and Greg and Dana almost kicked me off the show. A lot of people don't realize you guys have that power, but you do.

[Emily Campagno]

You also bring hard boiled eggs?

[Harold Ford Jr.]

No, I did not.

[Jesse Waters]

Oh, do you eat those on the plane?

[Harold Ford Jr.]

No, I do not.

[Jesse Waters]

Oh, yeah. Bring a hard boiled egg onto the.

[Emily Campagno]

Plane, making me feel nauseous.

[Julian Turner]

Oh, God.

[Jesse Waters]

What do you do? I'm sure there's a long list.

[Emily Campagno]

I can't think of any.

[Julian Turner]

What do you think you do? What do you think you do?

[Jesse Waters]

Okay, again, you're right. You have to ask the people. So I guess they say. What did they say? I guess I'm too giving and they're not used to that.

[Emily Campagno]

You're too chivalrous.

[Jesse Waters]

I'm probably very loud. I'm very loud.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

You are a little loud.

[Jesse Waters]

I'm very loud. Can we do another one?

[Greg Gutfeld]

Oh, that's true. You know what annoys me about you is when I tell if we're having, like, a private conversation and I'm telling you something like not for. And you are so loud. So then you'll like. In response, I'm like, can I keep it down?

[Jesse Waters]

You mean you got that from a toilet seat?

[Julian Turner]

Emily, My God.

[Jesse Waters]

Do you ever make prank calls when you were a kid?

[Greg Gutfeld]

Of course. Of course. That's what it did.

[Jesse Waters]

What did you do? Did you try?

[Emily Campagno]

It was easier because you had a landline and nobody had caller id.

[Jesse Waters]

Was your prank to talk in a normal voice?

[Julian Turner]

Can you go back to the first.

[Jesse Waters]

Question and tell them, Jesse, what were you pranks?

[Emily Campagno]

You do a good impression.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

What was the one where you call a Chinese restaurant and then you Call another Chinese restaurant and you patch them in.

[Jesse Waters]

Nobody did that.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

The Jerky Boys. Remember the Jerky Boys?

[Jesse Waters]

Oh, that was the best. I'm so old. We had the. The tape because then before they got the CDs. Harold, I bet you never did a crank call.

[Julian Turner]

Why did I call and order pizzas for delivery to my neighbor's house and.

[Jesse Waters]

Then.

[Julian Turner]

They pay for it? They said I'd go over and eat them with their kids and we'd have a great time.

[Greg Gutfeld]

We had a Swatch phone, so you know, the receivers. Receiver two or whatever it's called. So our prank calls would have, like, me and my girlfriend on the phone at the same time.

[Emily Campagno]

Wow.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Totally 80s.

[Julian Turner]

One more.

[Jesse Waters]

What? One more. I don't have. It's just one more thing I used to do. I used to tape record things and then play them the crank calls. Like toilets flushing and things like that.

[Julian Turner]

Yeah.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

Get a little synthesizer and you push the button. It would make a noise.

[Jesse Waters]

I love that step. All right.

[Emily Campagno]

Whoopee cushion. Whoopee cushion into the receiver.

[Julian Turner]

I'm disappearing again. Like an ominous. Hi, folks. I like the.

[Emily Campagno]

All right, welcome back. Time for one more thing. We got Greg, Jesse, Emily, Harold.

[Greg Gutfeld]

And then.

[Jesse Waters]

You don't have to say all of them tonight.

[Emily Campagno]

Everybody, to know the order.

[Julian Turner]

Yeah.

[Jesse Waters]

Cat tip.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

She really did.

[Jesse Waters]

David Angelo, Andrew Gruel, Tyrus. And let's do a new thing. Greg's. How many criminals? Okay, I'm going to show you the.

[Julian Turner]

The.

[Jesse Waters]

The criminal. You're going to figure out how many are there first. Let's roll it.

[Julian Turner]

This could be. There we go.

[Jesse Waters]

Oh, stop. All right. Around the horn. Emily, how many criminals?

[Greg Gutfeld]

Eight.

[Jesse Waters]

Eight.

[Julian Turner]

How many people in that car?

[Jesse Waters]

How many criminals?

[Julian Turner]

Five.

[Jesse Waters]

Five.

[Emily Campagno]

Four.

[Jesse Waters]

Four.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

What are the race of the people?

[Julian Turner]

That's a terrible.

[Jesse Waters]

Just kidding. Because you assume some of them are larger.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

They're obviously white. Greg.

[Jesse Waters]

Yes. How many?

[Emily Campagno]

Nine.

[Jesse Waters]

Nine. How many?

[Greg Gutfeld]

She said four.

[Jesse Waters]

Four. All right, roll it.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

What trunk? I never thought of the trunk. I'm gonna win.

[Jesse Waters]

Yes, it is nine.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Nailed it.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

I was wrong about the race.

[Jesse Waters]

And you know what they did? They robbed a vape shop. And they're still on the loose.

[Julian Turner]

They robbed a what shop? A vape shop.

[Jesse Waters]

Yeah.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

All right. I thought I was worried about the Russians. You hear all these scary stories about these people. I'm not really that concerned. They have their new AI robot. Oh, goodbye. The thing can't even walk. Okay. AI World domination. Yeah. Their little robot assistants were so nervous, they tried to put a stupid black sheet. Like we wouldn't realize the thing. Face planted. Take that, Russia.

[Jesse Waters]

It's called Biden 100 tonight.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

Jesse, what is prime time? Katrina Campins, Kevin McCarthy, Chris Hansen, Adrian Gray.

[Jesse Waters]

Better get my kitchen ready. Okay.

[Greg Gutfeld]

I have a very special thank you and honor for K9 Geno, who served on the elite Secret Service ERT Tactical Canine Unit. He was an incredible working dog and he also donated his time in retirement for numerous canine charity events. You are so missed, Geno. We're praying for your handler, Tyler Steber. And thank you to hurricanes heroes who cover the cost of Geno's cancer treatment. Rest easy, boy. We've got it from here.

[Julian Turner]

Three New York Police Department officers rescued this young woman from Young teen from the. From the Harlem river on Tuesday. He stripped. Stripped off his stuff, jumped in. The other two officers were there to pull them in. Cops sometimes get a bad rap.

[Emily Campagno]

All right, we gotta.

[Julian Turner]

This is. This was awesome. Thank you.

[Emily Campagno]

Harold, I hate interrupting you, but we are out of time. That does it for us on the 5.

[Julian Turner]

Listen to the 5 ad free on Amazon Music with your prime membership or.

[Jesse Waters]

Subscribe wherever you get your podcasts.