Democrats Take A Tumble

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Podcast Summary: "Democrats Take A Tumble" | The Five | July 28, 2025

Host: FOX News Podcasts
Episode Title: Democrats Take A Tumble
Release Date: July 28, 2025

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Introduction: The Democratic Party's Plunge in Favorability

At the outset of the episode, Dana Perino introduces the central theme: the Democratic Party's significant decline in public approval. Referencing a Wall Street Journal poll, Perino states, "the Democratic Party's favorability rating is at its lowest point in 35 years. Just 33% of voters say they approve." [00:49]. This stark statistic sets the stage for an in-depth discussion among the panel members—Kellyanne Conway, Jessica Tarlov, Jesse Waters, and Greg Gutfeld—about the factors contributing to this downturn and the broader political implications.

Analyzing the Decline: Factors Behind Democratic Unfavorability

Jesse Waters delves into the specifics of the poll, highlighting that the Democratic Party is "30 points underwater," marking its lowest record since the early 1990s [01:28]. Greg Gutfeld emphasizes that the Democrats are grappling with a "message problem," suggesting they are "bereft of ideas." [03:37]. He critiques the party's shift to the hard left, stating, "They went all the way to the hard left, and the answer, it turns out, was Donald Trump and his policies." [03:55]. Gutfeld further argues that the Democrats have lost their economic and cultural footing, failing to resonate with key voter concerns.

Kellyanne Conway adds to this by asserting that Trump's strength as a public figure surpasses that of the Democratic leadership. "He is a stronger public figure than the Democratic people," she notes [02:32]. The panel discusses how issues like the economy, education, and cultural debates have eroded trust in the Democratic base, leading to a loss of support among workers and moderates alike.

Trump's Ascendancy and the EU Trade Deal

Shifting focus, the conversation turns to President Trump's recent historic trade agreement with the European Union. Jesse Waters highlights the deal's benefits, mentioning, "Donald Trump on the world stage has been using trade deals for peace deals and vice versa." [16:27]. Kellyanne Conway celebrates the agreement as the "biggest trade deal in history," emphasizing its positive impact on the American economy and job market [16:31]. The panel discusses how this deal has not only bolstered Republican approval but also countered predictions that the tariffs would derail the economy.

Greg Gutfeld elaborates on the multifaceted advantages of the trade deal, stating, "It is a victory for the United States," and underscores how the tariffs have been strategically applied to make U.S. industry more competitive [16:53]. He further argues that the trade agreement has fostered better international relationships and economic stability.

Democratic Messaging and Strategic Missteps

The panel critiques the Democratic Party's current strategies, particularly their reliance on social media content like workout videos featuring politicians such as Eric Swalwell. Greg Gutfeld mocks these attempts, stating, "I am not condoning the Eric Swalwell videos, but people are trying to get more social media presence." [03:07]. Jessica Tarlov echoes this sentiment, noting the Democrats' struggle to present a coherent and appealing message to voters [06:00].

Dana Perino questions whether the Democrats have hit “rock bottom” or if there is still room for further decline. The consensus among the panel is that unless the Democrats overhaul their messaging and policy proposals, their unfavorable ratings will continue to plague them [03:07].

The Impact of Canceling Late-Night Shows on Political Discourse

A significant portion of the discussion centers around the cancellation of Stephen Colbert’s show. Kellyanne Conway and Jessica Tarlov debate the ramifications of this move on political satire and media polarization. Conway suggests that satire can thrive when it ridicules both sides equally, implying that the current environment lacks this balance [27:45]. Greg Gutfeld criticizes the lack of humor in conservative shows compared to their liberal counterparts, arguing that political polarization has stifled genuine comedy [28:02].

Jessica Tarlov reflects on the financial and structural challenges faced by late-night shows, questioning whether such formats can survive in an increasingly divided political landscape [29:45]. The panel agrees that the heightened politicization of entertainment media contributes to broader societal divisions and undermines the potential for bipartisan humor.

Celebrity Campaigns and the Cultural Shift

The episode further explores the backlash against Hollywood star Sydney Sweeney’s new ad campaign, "Looney Left Us," which has been criticized by progressive groups as being reminiscent of Nazi propaganda [35:25]. Jesse Waters defends Sweeney, dismissing the allegations as baseless and emphasizing her positive attributes: "She is a hot, beautiful biological woman and everybody loves it." [35:41].

Dana Perino contextualizes this controversy within a larger cultural movement towards Americana and traditional values, suggesting that figures like Sydney Sweeney symbolize a return to pre-2020 norms [37:07]. The panel debates how such cultural shifts are both a cause and effect of the current political climate, with Conway advocating for balanced satire that includes equal opportunities to mock all political factions [32:43].

Technology and Social Media: Double-Edged Swords

In a side discussion, the panel addresses a new poll indicating Americans are spending nearly 10 hours a day online for work or play [39:10]. Dana Perino and Jessica Tarlov express indifference, viewing technology as an indispensable tool for modern life [39:27]. In contrast, Jesse Waters humorously suggests that excessive screen time might be best suited for the deranged or homeless [40:16].

Greg Gutfeld raises concerns about the potential for technology to reduce face-to-face interactions and diminish essential social skills, though he acknowledges the necessity of digital platforms for education and work [40:14]. This segment underscores the complex relationship society has with technology, balancing convenience with the need for personal interaction.

Conclusion: Navigating the Political Landscape

As the episode winds down, the panel reflects on the future of the Democratic Party and the strategies needed to recover from their current low in favorability. Jessica Tarlov offers a cautious optimism, citing Roy Kupper's Senate run as a potential silver lining for the Democrats [07:10]. However, the overarching consensus is that without significant changes in messaging and policy alignment with voter concerns, the Democrats may continue to struggle in upcoming elections.

Greg Gutfeld concludes by highlighting the administration's successes in trade and economic policies, positing that the transformative actions taken during Trump’s term are reshaping the political and economic landscape [26:27]. The panel remains divided, with Republicans celebrating these developments as proof of effective leadership, while Democrats grapple with internal challenges and dwindling public support.

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This episode of "The Five" provides a comprehensive analysis of the Democratic Party's declining favorability, the strategic maneuvers of the Trump administration, and the broader cultural and technological factors influencing the current political climate. Through engaging discussions and pointed critiques, the panel offers listeners insight into the shifting dynamics of American politics as of mid-2025.

Transcript

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[Dana Perino]

Hello, everyone. I'm Dana Perino along with Kellyanne Conway, Jessica Tarlov, Jesse Waters and Greg Gutfeld. It's five o' clock in New York City and this is the five. And just when you thought it couldn't get any worse, the Wall Street Journal finds the Democratic Party's favorability rating is at its lowest point in 35 years. Just 33% of voters say they approve. And Republicans are trusted more on many key issues. Cnn, it is stunned.

[Jesse Waters]

Woof. I mean, my God. You know we mentioned cnn. We had that poll come out a little while ago. On their net favorable rating, they were 26 points underwater.

[Kellyanne Conway]

You think that's low enough?

[Jesse Waters]

How about we go even lower? We'll go to this side of the screen. I'm going to walk over here. We go to the Wall Street Journal. Minus 30 points. 30 points underwater. Their lowest record. These polls have records going all the way back since the early 1990s. The Democratic Party is breaking records in the way. Jessica Dean, you don't want to break records.

[Dana Perino]

So what's the Democrats fix? Well, workout videos for talking to didn't work. Democrats are pumping out content of them pumping iron to try to win over voters.

[Jesse Waters]

I should be working right now. Instead I'm pumping iron at the gym. I should be working right now.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Talk a little bit about this bill they passed.

[Jessica Tarlov]

All right, so let's talk about housing. I grew up in a working class family here in the Hudson Valley.

[Dana Perino]

But the man who once got a thrill up his leg over Obama says Democrats may not be able to stop Trump.

[Greg Gutfeld]

To be honest with you, the country is moving towards Trump. These polls that come out and show.

[Jesse Waters]

Him not doing well, I don't buy that.

[Kellyanne Conway]

I think his strength is still greater than the Democratic strength. He is a stronger public figure than the Democratic people.

[Greg Gutfeld]

I mean, Obama still Has tremendous charisma. But Trump has strength.

[Kellyanne Conway]

But they wanted a president who is a strong figure and he's got it and he can. It's just there and half the country buys it.

[Dana Perino]

Interesting place to take a call.

[Jesse Waters]

I hope he flushed.

[Dana Perino]

All right, we have to go to Kellyanne Conway first for your take on this poll. Have the Democrats hit rock bottom or is there farther to fall?

[Greg Gutfeld]

They haven't. I don't think Trump has hit his ceiling, nowhere near it. And I don't think the Democrats have hit the floor because they haven't learned a single thing since last November. I actually think the greatest argument for term limits I've ever seen just happened. Eric Swalwell, sweating, swimming, salivating, with no shirt on. This is why we need term limits and better gerrymandering. I don't think the Democrats suffer from a message, er, problem. They suffer from a message problem. They're bereft of ideas.

[Jesse Waters]

They.

[Greg Gutfeld]

I think that the Democrats have suffered, Dana, an erosion of trust with the American public, an implosion of their base. And remember all the people who would tell the Republican Party for years, you must move to the center, you must moderate, you must stop the right wing people. This, that and the other. You must get rid of your extremes. You know who was telling us that? The Democrats. And they went all the way to the hard left. And the answer, it turns out, was Donald Trump and his policies. This is a guy who's doing peace deals, tax deals, trade deals, like a single man getting the job done. And you know what we women love more than anything? Guys who deliver, who keep their promises, who produce, who do what they say they're going to do. The Democratic Party, to me, Dana, they lost the economic argument a long time ago. And this has become the Republican Party is the party the worker. Then they kind of lost the argument on education. That poll showed they're only doing better over Republicans on vaccines and health care. Okay. But they really lost the argument on the cultural issues. So Donald Trump does a fabulous job, better than anybody, of capturing that cultural zeitgeist and letting the polls follow him, the people follow him, rather than the other way around, which is typical of politicians. But I can't believe the Democrats are basically still saying to America, a woman does not need a man and a man can be a woman. And nobody has really changed that in a meaningful, sustained way since last year's corporate America. They're all getting away from dei. The academic institutions are coughing up billions of dollars. It's really just a Democratic Party. And I Believe that what you're seeing now didn't work for Beto o'. Rourke. He was on the COVID of Vanity Fair. He said, I was built for this stuff. He's a three time loser. He was a congressman who unsuccessfully ran for president, governor and senator, all from Texas. And he forced us to watch him get a root canal, flip a burger at home and, and famously ride a skateboard. He got zero electoral votes. The schtick doesn't work. And it certainly doesn't work for people, grownups who represent us in the Congress and the Senate to be working out when their constituents are working, trying to meet the expenses for bills that they already, that are already coming due.

[Dana Perino]

He even says I should be working. But Mark Kelly, he had some thoughts and I don't know if hope is a strategy, but Jessica, take a listen.

[Kellyanne Conway]

We certainly do have a problem and it's a messaging problem. And it's important to get out there and talk to people about the issues that they care about. Hopefully in time, you know, the American people will understand that we are out there fighting for them.

[Dana Perino]

I just wasn't sure that was the best, like, closing argument there. Hopefully in time they'll figure it out.

[Jessica Tarlov]

Yeah, listen, there is no way to spin this and I've been spending several hours trying to figure out what I would do and I'm just going to own it. It's a very low unfavorability and it's low in several polls and NBC had a very low one. Fox had slightly less low as the Wall Street Journal. But obviously it's an issue. And I was thinking about, you know, when we've seen other record lows and the Republicans got theirs after Mitt Romney lost in 2012. So in 2013, they were rudderless, out in the wilderness doing enormous autopsies, didn't know what to do. They got a plan. And then Donald Trump came in and he blew up the plan. So who knows what happens in 2028. I have no idea who the candidate will be on the Democratic side. My expectation is that it'll be one of these very popular blue state governors. But maybe it's a Mark Cuban. We can't know at this point. We obviously have Mark Cuban. Cute. We have to wait and see on that. What I do know at this moment is that we're trying to figure it out. I'm not condoning the Eric Swalwell videos, but people are trying to get more social media presence. They're trying to communicate with their, their constituents. Like even someone like Mark Warner who's obviously on the older end, like, he makes videos in his car because that's what he's comfortable doing. But at least he's trying to talk to his constituents and explain to them what's going on. We did get a bit of good news this morning with Roy Kupper announcing that he's going to run for the North Carolina Senate seat. That is exactly who Democrats wanted to do this. He has won statewide six times. When Donald Trump is on the ballot, he still wins. And I do think that it is suggestive of a potentially good environment for Democrats that people like Brian Kemp in Georgia, Sununu in New Hampshire have declined to run for those Senate seats. So that is my silver lining. That is what I came up with.

[Dana Perino]

Let me point out one other thing. President Trump in this poll is significantly more popular now at this point in the term than he was in the first term. So the Democrats who try to tell themselves like everything's fine because he's actually declining in polls with some numbers, maybe that's true, but overall, he's still much stronger than he was even in the first.

[Kellyanne Conway]

Well, I'm going to rub the poll in Jessica's face in a second, but I got to talk about Swalwell. I'm glad he's lifting, and it looks like he's got a good shot at the pool. But you know who doesn't film themselves at the gym?

[Greg Gutfeld]

Men.

[Kellyanne Conway]

Men, women film themselves working out, taking gym selfies. That's who does it. The only people that do this are either professional athletes or fitness influencers, especially married men. If you're a married guy and you're posting bench press videos, oh, God, is that thirsty? He's such a try hard. And every real guy knows a try hard. And he's one. Now Matthews gets it. And Matthews, to make a terrible metaphor, he is saying Trump is strong because Trump lifts heavy. Trump is trying to lift the big things that no one else will pick up and grab. Trade, Iran, the border, government spending. So Trump is politically jacked. And that's what Swalwell doesn't understand. People respect you for doing things that are hard and lifting things that are heavy. Trump has real strength. Swalwell is trying to look strong, and that's the difference. Trump golfs. He has dad strength, though. You know, dad strength. He doesn't look like he's in shape, but when he grabs you. One time my father grabbed me and I was like, oh, my God, this guy's stronger than I am.

[Jessica Tarlov]

Were you eight?

[Kellyanne Conway]

And I was like 18. And so this Poll. Jessica, I'm glad you know, Greg likes to talk about context because you throw these poll numbers out and this is the first time I was looking forward to doing a segment with polling because this is all the context you need. The American people think Republicans are doing a better job than Democrats at handling the economy, inflation, illegal immigration, foreign policy, tariffs, and the Ukraine war. Yup. Okay, let's Continue. There's a 20 point jump in Americans saying the country is headed in the right direction than last summer when who was president? Joe Biden. The Republicans are viewed more favorably than Democrats by double digits. Americans like ICE more than Democrats. They like Elon Musk more than the Democrats. Americans like RFK Jr. More than the Democrats. And Trump has a 46% approval rating, which is more than Barack Hussein Obama and Joe Biden. Their averages.

[Jessica Tarlov]

I'm not gonna go through it, but take a look at the Fox News poll and then you won't feel so hot.

[Kellyanne Conway]

How dare you.

[Dana Perino]

How dare you.

[Kellyanne Conway]

I raise you the Wall Street Journal poll.

[Jessica Tarlov]

Well, we both are hometown, so I.

[Dana Perino]

Got context from our resident.

[Jessica Tarlov]

Oh, yeah, give us the context, Greg.

[Jesse Waters]

I sense some mockery in your tone, but I was going to agree with you, Jessica, that this could just be a cyclical thing. You lose, you rebuild. You win. You lose, you rebuild. You win. But there's something off about this one. This is the first time in my memory that a party is this exposed that we can actually see not what it didn't do, but what it did do and what we learned about how they did it. Like, we see them naked. We see the party for what it is. So a little history. Dana?

[Dana Perino]

Yes, please.

[Jesse Waters]

I had this feeling when the Wall came down, followed by the breakup of the ussr, that was also a duopoly. It was The Cold War U.S. uSSR. You thought it was going to be there for the rest of your life. Then something happened. The duopoly dissolved. I feel that same way right now. The duopoly is this party system. And I think the Democrats. The party's over. When the Wall fell, the human traffic only went in one way. West Germany didn't stream east. You are seeing that with the Democrat Party. There are segments of the party that realize they do not have to be there. The wall has come down. They are leaving. They're realizing that Democrats, like the USSR was containment based on fear. It's a dictatorship that exists within a republic, a plantation that you thought you couldn't leave. So now you're seeing how the party doesn't work. You have $100 million that was meant for the Palisades fire. Going to liberal nonprofits, not the victims. You have teachers unions giving up on reading and writing and instead pushing racial indoctrination on children. Crime is considered acceptable in most inner cities. Illegal gang bangers are protected. The deranged homeless are allowed to walk free. Repeat offenders, recidivists, they get out of jail free. Theft is decriminalized. That is not a republic, that is a lawless dictatorship. That is like the Somali. What is that place called? Somalia.

[Dana Perino]

Somalia, yeah.

[Jesse Waters]

So what was the Berlin moment? For me it was Joe Biden. When it all came down, a divided structure was erected to keep us apart. But it revealed to be no longer functionable and the exposure of that cover up is that wall coming down. The Dems, while they're looking for a candidate right now, are really just looking for another wall. And until they see that they cannot be trusted again. The Biden brain lie changed a lot of people's permanently the same way communism did when the wall came down. We're not going back there.

[Kellyanne Conway]

You're saying Jessica could come over to West Germany if she wants to.

[Jesse Waters]

I think she has to. I would honestly say that if you're a thoughtful Democrat, you have to think about is this a change that cannot. That you can't go back to the way it is because the wokeism has contaminated it so deeply that it doesn't exist anymore.

[Dana Perino]

There's actually I read about two former Democrats who are now deciding they, they were in Congress as Democrats, they lost. They now are going to run as independents. So they might not have walked all the way over to West Germany, but they're on their way.

[Jesse Waters]

Yeah, I mean a lot of communists did this, A lot of socialists did this. You can too, Jessica.

[Kellyanne Conway]

You can too.

[Jessica Tarlov]

I cannot.

[Dana Perino]

Alright, coming up, President Trump silencing his critics with his latest move.

[Olivia]

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[Jesse Waters]

The haters are reeling for President Trump's wheeling and dealing. 47 signed a historic new trade agreement with the European Union. The deal sets tariffs at 15% while the Europeans promise to buy 750 billion worth of American energy and invest another 600 billion. Trump says everyone's a winner here.

[Kellyanne Conway]

We just signed a very big trade.

[Olivia]

Deal, the biggest of them all yesterday, right?

[Kellyanne Conway]

Our country has never done better. Many of the leaders said, you know, essentially they said, your country is dead. One year ago, one year ago, we had a dead. And we did. We had a dead country. We had a president who didn't know where the hell he was. We want to focus on trade deals. I want to focus on the deal we just made with the European Union, which is the biggest trade deal in history. It's the biggest deal, I think, in.

[Jesse Waters]

History, not just trade deal. World leaders lining up this schmooze. The dealmaker and the panic ins are now reconsidering their panic.

[Olivia]

The truth is I don't know what his strategy is. But look, the stock market is at record highs. I know not everybody lives by the stock market. But I also drive around, I don't.

[Kellyanne Conway]

See a country in a depression at all.

[Olivia]

I see people out there just living their lives. And I would have thought, and I got to own it, that the cut, that these tariffs were going to sink this economy by this time. And they didn't.

[Kellyanne Conway]

So you know what? How do we deal with that fact?

[Jesse Waters]

Dana? I was waiting for that moment. I always find it refreshing when people will say that, you know, and it's like that period of time people were shouting about the chaos. Oh, my God, what's going on? We were here on the table saying, hold tight, see what happens. We don't. Like you were saying, you don't know, could go north, could go south, but.

[Dana Perino]

It also changed a lot.

[Jesse Waters]

Yeah. So what are you saying?

[Dana Perino]

Well, I was just saying, like, so he's out there.

[Jesse Waters]

Get to your point here.

[Dana Perino]

He's there running circles around world leaders, right? He's just like running laps around them. On America's newsroom today, we were fortunate enough finally to get a press conference. Cause usually they're later in the day. And we sat for over an hour, he answering questions. You got a question? You got a question? The world press has never seen anything like it. I do think some of the devil's in the details. We'll see on a couple of things. For example, NATO, they're playing some little tricks to say, oh, well, you know, this is counting towards our 5%, because it was already there. However, everything is certainly moving in the right direction when it comes to more responsibility for the Europeans, a better deal for the American people. And I think something that you guys probably talked about last week that I didn't get a chance to, I think what the President has done on focusing America's innovation and might on AI and energy, last week when he was in Pennsylvania was really, really important. And we have to say, I think we have to stay ahead of China, and we are. My other favorite thing that happened today is he was asked about windmills, and he just dropped all the truth in a world stage about the birds that get killed, how you can't get rid of them because they never break down. And I could just imagine, like Keir Starmer, the UK Prime Minister, is sitting there going, I don't know what to do with all of this. He just sat there and basically tried to bask in the glow.

[Jesse Waters]

Yeah. Keir Starmer has such a great name.

[Dana Perino]

It's a great name.

[Jesse Waters]

It's a great name.

[Dana Perino]

It's a terrible policy.

[Jesse Waters]

Terrible policies, great name. Jesse Dana said the devil is in the details. An avowed Satanist would say that. But isn't it amazing how it's like a gate. Like, Trump has set up dominoes that fall one after the other. It's like he had this plan. So, like, every three days, another one falls. So it's like the media and the Dems just have to deal with this good news every three days.

[Kellyanne Conway]

I'm going to resist the urge to gloat.

[Jesse Waters]

Okay.

[Kellyanne Conway]

Just kidding. There were people around this table, their names rhyme with Mesica, who said that the tariffs were going to increase inflation in a massive way. They haven't. They said this trade war was going to align the world against the United States. It was going to be China and the world aligned against the United States. That didn't happen. It was the exact opposite. They said that he was a taco president and it looked like the world chickened out. And I remember you said, you can't win a trade war. No one wins a trade war. Well, we just did. Because now what did we give up.

[Jessica Tarlov]

The right to have?

[Kellyanne Conway]

I'm waiting for someone to give me an answer. We didn't give up anything with any of these negotiations with the Pacific Rim companies or the eu. We got every single country to open up their market. Every single one. So in a way, Trump actually increased free trade for us. And what else did he do? He also got other countries to agree to invest trillions of dollars here. That is a huge win for the defense industry, for ranchers, farmers, pharmaceuticals. We'll get to that tomorrow. There's a big announcement there. Boeing won big. And the fact that now everybody has to invest here in these big industrial projects. And we left the steel tariffs at 50. They have to use US steel because it's so much cheaper. And the 15% thing is great because it's small enough where the importers here will eat the tariff and not pass on the price act, but it's big enough because that's what they're already doing. But it's big enough to make US Industry more competitive and bring in a lot of tariff revenue, which we can use to pay down the debt and send out tariff stimmy checks. So the Democrats today are not attacking this deal, are they? And the free traders over at the panic and networks CNBC are not attacking this deal. They're saying it's a great deal. The Europeans are the ones who said that they got screwed and that they basically got dominated by Donald Trump. It is a victory for the United States. Jessica and I think you should hold my hand and celebrate.

[Jessica Tarlov]

We can hold hands, but I am not celebrating.

[Jesse Waters]

Yay, Jessica. Or Mesica, as Jesse called her.

[Jessica Tarlov]

It's so funny because we basically have the same name.

[Jesse Waters]

Yeah, yeah.

[Jessica Tarlov]

So before this deal with the eu, we have to be clear that every trade war that we are engaging in, Donald Trump brought that one up himself. Except for China. We're actually. China is the one that you really have an issue with. But we essentially had favored nations with the EU being about 1% import. So 15% is a lot more than 1%. And I rarely say that. I wish somebody else would take my seat at least for this segment. But I wish Charlie Gasparino was sitting here right now to explain to Jesse again how tariffs work, because it is a tax on the American consumer. The American consumer knows that. That's why they don't rate Trump particularly highly on how to handle inflation, cost of living tariffs and trade wars. And you also see headlines like Walmart raising prices up to 51%. They're doing that because they're not going to eat the tariff. They're going to Pass it on to you. Volkswagen profits down 1.5 billion. GM profits down 1 billion. Why is that? Because of these trade wars that Donald Trump created. Now There is this 20 billion in revenue that's coming in, right? I've seen the headlines, I've seen the panic ins backing off. But if it weren't going to be a clear line to raising your individual prices, why is Donald Trump and Josh Hawley now wants to get in on it, talking about rebate checks for the American public. They want another opportunity for Donald Trump to smack his signature, which has been all over the place, as we've seen recently.

[Unknown]

Not another.

[Jessica Tarlov]

Not with an auto pen on rebate checks, so that the American public won't hate him for the fact that he is raising their cost of living. And that is what is going on here.

[Jesse Waters]

All right, you have an issue with what she just said?

[Greg Gutfeld]

Because President Trump has a very well stocked arsenal. But the greatest tool in my view is trade. And it has allowed him to even make peace deals. Now, he has the secondary tariffs on Putin now. And they said, you got two weeks, pal, to get this deal done. He's using trade deals for peace deals and vice versa. Thailand and Cambodia, he's mentioning trade. Look, it's been less than four months since Liberation Day and everybody, a lot of people here on Wall street freaked out, flipped out. They were all wrong. They usually are like a pack of lemmings, God bless them. They're never held to account. I work in an industry where also. You're not held to account for being wrong, I suppose. But the fact is, NASDAQ, the S&P 500, the consumer confidence people now saying things are going better, you're handling inflation. But for President Trump on the world stage to use trade and tariffs for the way he has, they raise revenue. Scott Bessant, the Treasury Secretary, says by the end of this year, $300 billion potentially. Number two, President Trump has used tariffs to compel or incentivize transformative changes in behavior. Canada and Mexico, get your criminals and your drugs out of our country. Nothing to do with goods and services. Over the EU has a lot to do with goods and services. Hey, you tax our US vehicles at 10%, we tax yours two and a half percent. Don't need to be an economist or a pollster or a two year old to know that's not fair. And now it is fair. The other thing is he's upending globalization. All these blue collar jobs that have been yielded from the first six months of his economic plans have been incredible. Because those jobs have been taken away from foreign workers and going to blue collar workers in this country, American workers. And the fourth thing is, when you slap tariffs on people, it's not a trade war because there's no shots fired. When you slap tariffs, what happens? People otherwise reluctant come to the negotiating table and they say, what can we do? Let's get a bilateral deal, let's get a trilateral deal. They come to the table. Secretary Bessa is in Stockholm today for round three of these China trade talks. This is happening. And last point, what I love about President Trump in these first six months is he tackles all those traditional issues like the economy and foreign policy and trade, but then he's got plenty of accommodation for all the new stuff like crypto and AI all at the same time. And that's what Americans are seeing. And that's why the polls really will never truly keep pace with what people are seeing in this transformation.

[Unknown]

Well, there you go.

[Jesse Waters]

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[Greg Gutfeld]

The liberals screaming into the sky about Stephen Colbert getting canceled should listen to Jay Leno, the former Tonight show host, offering some words of wisdom for the partisan hacks alienating their audiences.

[Dana Perino]

Watch.

[Kellyanne Conway]

I love political humor, don't get me wrong. But it's just what happens with people.

[Jesse Waters]

Wind up cozying too much to one.

[Kellyanne Conway]

Side or the other.

[Jesse Waters]

I don't think anybody wants to hear a lecture.

[Kellyanne Conway]

Why shoot for just half an audience all the time? You know, why not try to get the whole, I'm not saying you have to throw your support or whatever, but.

[Jesse Waters]

Just do what's funny.

[Greg Gutfeld]

But these Colbert supporters haven't gotten the memoir. At a rally in New York City, just 20 showed up with signs. Wow. So Dana, a guy whose name rhymes with Meg Rupfeld is the highest rated comedian, but he's funny. I find these shows have neither comedy or comedy. C O M. I. T Y 176 liberal guests, one conservative quote, Lynn Cheney, Liz Cheney, which means all 177 were anti Trump.

[Dana Perino]

So when the Colbert news first came out, I, I might have been like the first person to let you know. I don't know, I might have been because I said, I went on, I was like, oh my gosh, another one bites the dust. And what I think is another thing that Meg Rutfeld has said before, which is that if the left wants to know how to improve, they should watch the five. Because going back since the Obama days when this show started, we would say what's wrong with Saturday Night Live? If they would just go ahead and be like equal opportunity satire, they would do better. But they wouldn't. They would never make fun of Obama. They would hardly ever make fun of Hillary Clinton. They would always make fun of the Republicans conservatives. And then it got worse and worse. So that was not only at Saturday Night Live that morphed into all of the late night shows. I would even say that started during George W. Bush's time. Except for Jay Leno. Jay Leno was always an exception. And I read a quote where he did an interview, he said he remembers giving joke, doing a joke where a Republican wrote in and said, how dare you say that? And the very same joke a Democrat said how dare you say that? And to him that was a win. And I think that democracies do better when there is satire. When you can ridicule the other side or yourself because it just one, it makes life more fun and it makes you a better person and the policies improve.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Jessica, this is simple math. Colbert is hemorrhaging money. They're not funny. I mean you can spend your night right before bed with Ben and Jerry instead of Jimmy and Jimmy and Colbert. Are the Democrats even watching this?

[Jessica Tarlov]

Well, whatever it was 2.4 million or I assume it was a mostly left leaning audience that was watching Colbert and Fallon and Kimmel have a bit less than he did. But once the numbers came out, it seemed like a pretty clear financial decision. Obviously CBS desperately wanted this merger to go through. They got their way and, and south park went after them. But south park is super profitable. And so they get to do that. They get $1.5 billion and to go after their employers. And that's what David Letterman was able to do as well. He was that good that he could sit there and he could go after his employers and he wouldn't lose his job because it was still making them money. And this model, having 200 people working on one show is unsustainable. And I understand that there were, there were union deals that had to be fulfilled, et cetera. But beyond the content, you can learn a lot from how Greg's show operates and how Messika for the winch. No, it's just obviously having a property like the Ed Sullivan Theater, those kinds of things. It just shouldn't cost that much to put on an hour of tv, especially when you're not even paying your guests to show up there. But I do think Leno went off air. I think in 2014. It was. We are in a very different political time than when Leno was doing this. And I think for even the people out there decrying how polarized we are and how we all go into our own camps, they even know that you couldn't have Leno show the way that it was at that level of success by staying away from politics to that point.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Jesse, how do you keep the audience coming back?

[Kellyanne Conway]

Well, I disagree. I mean, you can make fun of Democrats and Republicans. Trump is. He's hilarious. You can make fun of him more than Democrats, but just do it in a good natured way. I mean, that show, it's not that the show model wouldn't work now after 2014, there's more material now. There's so much material. And CBS knew who they were hiring when they hired Colbert, he came as a pundit from the Daily Show. This was his act. He was a left wing hack and they hired a left wing hack and then they had to fire him. Now, O'Reilly used to do Letterman and he used to do Colbert and he used to do Jon Stewart and those were big events. When you get a guy like that from the other side to come in and it's like a friendly joust. And then there was an expectation. They promote it and it was like, o'reilly on. And everyone's like, oh, this is going to be good. And they don't do that anymore. The guests just got boring. And that's easily solvable. You just have to book the other side.

[Greg Gutfeld]

I agree. So coming up next, Sydney Sweeney. Oh, Greg. Sorry. Oh, Greg. Meg Rutfield.

[Jesse Waters]

Yes, that was very cute. One of the big differences, but they are beholden to publicists and celebrities, so they can't ask anything that isn't safe. So if you were to say, hey, you've been following men and women's sports, whoever you have on there, Brad Pitt's gonna look over at his publicist and go, get me outta here. And there became a point in time where politics either became a moral virtue or an immoral stain. And if you didn't inject your opinion. Everything. If you didn't say during a wedding toast, free Palestine, something was wrong with you. The only reason I think that my show exists is because of the arrogance and the ego and the assumptions that the liberals have who turn comedy sideways. You know, people find my show entertaining because I'm saying things that they're thinking that they thought they couldn't say because everybody else has made it so suffocating. And I also have, like, I take issue with the biggest lie you're seeing here, which is that, you know, Colbert or Kimmel were somehow risk takers. They've had very long, rewarding, lucrative careers doing exactly what was expected from them. Just so happens the audience found an alternate universe that found out they were lying to them.

[Dana Perino]

But also, you let your guests say. Your guests have room to run.

[Jesse Waters]

Yeah.

[Dana Perino]

And they can say whatever they want and they're not going to get canceled or they don't care.

[Jesse Waters]

Well, sometimes I'll get rid of them.

[Greg Gutfeld]

No, what you just described is how Rush Limbaugh came to be. It wasn't. You know, people said, oh, you built it. I'm gonna come. Somebody thinks like I do, I can learn something now. Greg got filled. Coming up, Sydney Sweeney turns into a new target of the woke mo.

[Kellyanne Conway]

I hear it all.

[Olivia]

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[Kellyanne Conway]

The Pitchfork and Torch crowd is fuming over Sydney Sweeney's new ad campaign, Looney Left Us. Comparing the star's American Eagle commercials to Nazi propaganda because it features her great genes.

[Dana Perino]

Genes are passed down from parents to offspring, often determining traits like hair color, personality, and even eye color.

[Jessica Tarlov]

My genes are blue.

[Jesse Waters]

Sydney Sweeney. Casper Keynes.

[Kellyanne Conway]

Greg, you were groaning over there. What's going on?

[Jesse Waters]

Oh, she's definitely a Nazi. No question about it. Look, Sydney Sweeney is not where I go to for some kind of political symbolism. You know, I'm not a loser trying to create a HuffPo article about dog whistles I find in the Cheesecake Factory menu. She just happens to be extremely beautiful. And she's what people want, not what people are told they want. She is not Dylan Mulvaney. She's not a plus size swim model on the COVID of Sports Illustrated. She's not a male prom queen. She's a hot, beautiful biological woman and everybody loves it. I seem to Remember Jesse, not long ago, a young handsome talk show host who addressed this hysterical trend where every leftist liberal never Trumper was labeling everybody else a Nazi. Do you remember this?

[Kellyanne Conway]

You're saying he was young?

[Jesse Waters]

Yes, well, middle aged. And he pointed out the absurdity of everybody calling these people Nazis by turning their own draining of the meaning of the word Nazi into a term of endearment. And then the dumbest people on earth came after this Swiftian brain accusing me such fatuous, irrelevant pigs like Jonah Goldberg spewing nonsense on Twitter. No, where are you now? Where are you now? I predicted this.

[Kellyanne Conway]

Where are you now?

[Jesse Waters]

Yes.

[Dana Perino]

I would just say Americana is back. And I think ever since 2020, I think President Trump had a lot to do with that. But also just cultural trends. There is a huge movement back to America 250Americana. You think about Top Gun too? That was like very patriotic movie and it started the tide and now all the companies are getting rid of dei, et cetera. So this is, this is like going back to when we were growing up. This is the kind of commercials we had. Yes, kinda.

[Kellyanne Conway]

Do you own any of those jeans, Jessica?

[Jessica Tarlov]

American Eagle? No, not anymore. But I used to and I like the brand and I think that they have done a good job. It's not my favorite campaign, but I like Sydney Sweeney a lot and think that she's talented and also.

[Jesse Waters]

How much?

[Jessica Tarlov]

Very attractive.

[Jesse Waters]

Oh, I remember.

[Jessica Tarlov]

Again.

[Kellyanne Conway]

Oh, Greg.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Oh my God. So the city people weren't upset when she came out with a soap using her own bath water a couple of months ago. They're reading into this instead. And I just wanted to point out that the Sydney Sweeney Jean campaign is going to charity. 100% of the purchase price goes to the Sydney Jean goes to the crisis text line and nonprofit offering free 24. 7 confidential mental health. So I think instead of seeing the negative, we should actually look at the positive. Plus, people are jealous of her. She's drop dead gorgeous and she's not afraid to show it. And people are spending billions of dollars to try to look like that. And don't.

[Jesse Waters]

She's definitely an eight.

[Jessica Tarlov]

That's like a 12 to everybody else on Greg Scales.

[Kellyanne Conway]

Okay, Greg. The fastest is up next.

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[Jessica Tarlov]

Welcome back. Americans are turning into screen zombies. A new poll shows many nearly spending 10 hours. Sorry, I inverted the words. Nearly 10 hours a day online for work or play? Dana. It's upsetting, but it does not shock me.

[Dana Perino]

Not at all. Also, like, how else do you do your work?

[Jessica Tarlov]

Right?

[Dana Perino]

Like, I work all the time. We. I was away last week, but I like kept up to speed on things and I think it's, it's. It's a great tool. I did put a limit for myself on Instagram because I can get. I can look at dog videos all night long and send my sister silly names. But I'm not at all surprised by this and I'm not troubled by it either.

[Jessica Tarlov]

Jesse, I can't. Do you read on your phone too, or your hard.

[Kellyanne Conway]

No, no. I have my staff print out hard copies of articles now. Like an 80 year old man. And then I hold it very far away from my. And then I call them and tell them what to do. And I also got off Instagram.

[Jessica Tarlov]

Okay, that seems cool because there were.

[Kellyanne Conway]

A lot of impersonators out there. It was hard to tell who I was. And I swear to God it wasn't me.

[Dana Perino]

Craig.

[Jesse Waters]

I don't think 10 hours a day is enough. I think there's a lot of people out there that need to be inside 24 7. This is my solution for the deranged and the homeless. They probably would like just to sit there with a laptop for 24 hours a day. Just put them in there. You know what I mean? That's what I say. I look at nothing but fights and arrests. I'll get on, like, I'll be on Instagram or Twitter and I will just lose hours just watching people, officers talking to somebody. You can't say that to me. You're gonna have to step out of the car. I'm in for the rest of the night.

[Jessica Tarlov]

Kellyanne, do you.

[Greg Gutfeld]

I mean, obviously good and bad with technology. We all need it for work. Kids need it for education. I got it. But I do feel that a lot of people don't do this, show up to work and actually interact with other people and speak to them. And I mean, getting your butt kicked by a boss when you're young, getting that Redline document back, it all helps. And having to get that eye contact. So I do worry that there are some people who live exclusively online. It's where they get their education, their work, their sex, their friendship, their food, their clothing. And they don't really get a lot of outside contact. But we can all do better.

[Jesse Waters]

I disagree.

[Jessica Tarlov]

One more thing is up next.

[Jesse Waters]

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[Kellyanne Conway]

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[Olivia]

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[Kellyanne Conway]

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[Jesse Waters]

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[Dana Perino]

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[Jessica Tarlov]

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[Greg Gutfeld]

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[Dana Perino]

Time now for one more thing. Perino on politics with Ty Matzdorf. It is up now and he is plucky.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Greg.

[Jesse Waters]

Oh, awesome. Tonight we got Kennedy, Joe Mackey, Erin McGuire, Trace Gallagher. I'd like to trace that Gallagher. Hey, let's do this. You go short people. All right, the list has come out. The best cars for short people. The top three cars on the list are the 2025 Toyota Camry, the 2025 Kia Soul, and the 2025 BMW X1. They have a rare blend of luxury and practicality that works especially for shorter drivers.

[Dana Perino]

Which one are you getting?

[Jesse Waters]

I don't know yet, Jesse.

[Kellyanne Conway]

All right. Johnny was in California over the weekend at an international surfing competition. Here's a sneak peek.

[Jesse Waters]

Tell me about ice.

[Olivia]

Ice, like the stuff in your drinks.

[Kellyanne Conway]

Or like in the ocean or Johnny.

[Dana Perino]

Can'T wait to see that. I like the one he did about late night. Jessica, don't Save it.

[Jessica Tarlov]

I'll save it for tomorrow.

[Dana Perino]

That's it for us, everyone. Have a great night.

[Olivia]

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