Dems Force Government Shutdown By Blocking GOP Plan

Summary

Podcast Summary: The Five

Episode Title: Dems Force Government Shutdown By Blocking GOP Plan
Date: October 1, 2025
Host: FOX News Podcasts
Panel: Greg Gutfeld, Jesse Watters, Dana Perino, Jessica Tarlov, Paul Morrow, Whitney Allen, Tyrus

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Overview

This episode of "The Five" dives into the latest federal government shutdown, focusing on the partisan blame game surrounding it. The panelists dissect who is truly responsible for the shutdown, debate the implications of ongoing political standoffs over border policy, entitlement spending, and the culture wars, and critique responses to growing urban crime and federal intervention. The tone is combative, satirical, and rich in pointed barbs at both sides, with a particular focus on Democratic actions, media coverage, and populist issues heading into the 2026 campaign cycle.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Finger-Pointing Over the Government Shutdown

• Democrats and Republicans Blame Game
  • Jesse Watters (00:05): Opens by pointing out the mutual accusations, with a focus on “nearly every Senate Democrat voted against a Republican plan to open [the government] back up.”
  • Dana Perino (00:29): Asserts, "Democrats in Congress have officially shut down the United States government."
  • Jessica Tarlov (00:34): Defends Democrats: "Democrats want to avert this crisis, but Republicans tried to bully us."
  • Greg Gutfeld (00:39): Blames Dem leadership, "Chuck Schumer is listening to the far left radicals in his own party."
  • Paul Morrow (00:43): Flips blame onto the GOP: "Republican leadership is off playing make believe."
• Irreversible Consequences
  • Tyrus (01:06): Warns, “We can do things during the shutdown that are irreversible ... like cutting programs they like. When you shut it down, you have to do layoffs.”
• Shutdown Antics
  • Jesse Watters (01:27): Mocks “trolling” exchanges, including hats and props at negotiations, highlighting political theater: “…slapping sombreros on Hakeem's head, shoving Trump 2028 hats in their faces...”

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2. Systemic Dysfunction vs. Participant Fault

• Shutdowns as Routine, Not Emergency
  • Dana Perino (02:29): Provides historical context, "What's happened is, over time, the shutdowns have become so anodyne that you're not going to miss your Social Security check. Everything is pretty much work. You're not personally affected by it."
  • Jesse Watters (02:24): Compares government to Home Depot in a shutdown: "There's just nobody there to help you."
• Political Calculus
  • Perino references Neera Tanden’s spin blaming Republicans, noting that Democratic maneuvers played a role (03:47).
  • Points out bipartisan finger-pointing is now so routine most citizens are unaware or unaffected by shutdowns.

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3. Border Crisis, Entitlements, and “Free Stuff”

• Linking Crisis to Policy Gridlock
  • Greg Gutfeld (05:25): “The only reason [Schumer’s] doing this is to save face because his far left base wants action… Trump looks loose…he got everything in the big, beautiful bill.”
  • Jesse Watters (07:27): Asserts, “Isn't this entire budget conflict a direct result…of the border fiasco? You combine open borders with free stuff, and you have this massive opportunity cost…”
• Dissenting View
  • Whitney Allen/Jessica Tarlov (08:00): Counters, “The border crisis…did not make the GOP go for all the provisions in the reconciliation bill and give massive amounts of tax cuts to billionaires and take away Medicaid coverage from the poorest Americans.”
  • Fact-check (08:48-09:05): “ACA tax credits are the crux... 21 million of the 24 [mil] people that benefit are in Trump states, so [GOP] should want to keep them happy.”
• Birth Tourism and Costs of “Open Borders”
  • Paul Morrow (10:29): Highlights, “Birth tourism is a real thing...You can't have open borders and a full safety net...look at Europe right now. It's failing.”

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4. Federal Force in Cities: ICE Raids, National Guard, and Local Pushback

• Trump’s Local Interventions
  • Dana Perino (13:53): “President Trump is defending a decision to use US Troops in American cities...But the strategy seems to be making an impact...Mayor Brandon Johnson wants the feds out of his city.”
  • Paul Morrow (15:17): Details legal mechanisms: “A couple of carve outs...the Insurrection Act...You can use it to protect facilities and…when federal law is being obstructed. ICE is trying to enforce federal law. If they're being obstructed, you can do this.”
  • Critiques lack of local support for federal agents, calling it political sabotage.
• Media Satire and Public Perceptions
  • Greg Gutfeld (19:35): Dismisses Portland’s resistance to federal agents as ineptitude: “You obviously do [need help], because you guys can't arrest the same 60 people who do the same thing every night for four months.”

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5. Polling, Public Opinion, and Election Framing

• Crime and Immigration as Winning Issues for GOP
  • Greg Gutfeld (20:36): “Crime is Donald Trump's strongest issue. The second strongest is fighting illegal immigration...The two weakest issues for Democrats…are crime and illegal immigration.”
• Counter-Point: Concern Over Use of Force
  • Whitney Allen/Jessica Tarlov (21:31): Cites New York Times/Siena poll: “Which is more concerning: crime will spiral out of control in big cities unless the national guard gets involved, 42%. Or that Donald Trump could use the National Guard to intimidate his political opponents—51%.”

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6. Media and Culture Clashes: Trolling, Late Night, and ‘Fascism’

• Late-Night Hosts and Anti-Trump Rhetoric
  • Greg Gutfeld (25:50): Ridicules the “therapy session” of Kimmel, Colbert, and Fallon: “[They’re] like three ex-wives of one man getting together at brunch...except these bitter Crohn’s were dumped by America.”
  • Dana Perino (27:37): Observes: “[These] newsmakers making crazy points about President Trump used to go on other cable news channels...now it’s all on those late night comedy shows.”
  • Panel (29:28-30:40): Discusses late-night ratings struggles, with Paul Morrow calling it “the end game...Mozart’s Requiem playing...Mount Trump just buried the three of them.”
• Accusations of ‘Fascism’
  • Joy Reid (31:45, quoted): “We are in a fascist moment...a right wing, white nationalist...moment centered around hierarchy...They want [the] world [where] no income taxes, no regulations. That’s the world they want back.”
  • Greg Gutfeld (32:13): Retorts: “If fascism is wanting regulation, estate and income tax cuts, then I am the biggest fascist of all time.”
  • Dana Perino (33:19): Notes, “All the things that she just described would actually…benefit a lot of African American communities, minority communities, if you could let them do things that they want to do.”

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7. Identity Politics and Bureaucratic Confusion

• Debate on “Two Spirit” in Government Language
  • Exchange (36:05-37:41): Senator Josh Hawley stumps a Biden official who can’t define “two spirit,” sparking derision from the panel.
  • Paul Morrow (36:49): Explains the term’s indigenous origins, then critiques the irrelevance of such language to communities worried about real-world violence, not gender identity labels.
  • Panel (37:58-38:27): Questions competency and authenticity in government reports, implying they're often rubber-stamped by NGOs instead of written or understood by officials.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “The only reason [Schumer’s] doing this is to save face because his far left base wants action...AOC has already come out and said, hey, if you want to negotiate, I’m your girl. How do you think that looks to Schumer? He’s already losing power.”
  — Greg Gutfeld, 05:25

• “You can't have open borders and a full safety net. You just can't have it. It's just a truism of life. And if you want to see where it goes, look at... Europe. It's failing.”
  — Paul Morrow, 11:36

• “Crime is Donald Trump's strongest issue...You know what the two weakest issues for Democrats are? Crime and illegal immigration. So I say whatever he's doing on crime and illegal immigration, he should go harder.”
  — Greg Gutfeld, 20:36

• “This looks like...a public access channel show called Prison Talk. They're both wearing different styles of stripes...I'd love to produce it.”
  — Jesse Watters, 34:05

• “Kamala Harris, by the way, is a two spirit animal. Whiskey and vodka.”
  — Jesse Watters, 38:27

• “All I can say is...if I write a report, Jessica, and then someone asks me what's in the report and I say, I don't know, I've never heard of it. He didn't write the report. Am I surprised that a Biden official didn't know what the hell was going on and didn't even know the work he was putting out under his name? No, I'm not surprised.”
  — Greg Gutfeld, 37:58

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Timestamps for Key Segments

| Segment | Topic | Approx. Timestamp | |------------------------|---------------------------------------------------------------|-----------------------| | Opening | Blame game over shutdown | 00:05–01:27 | | Shutdowns: History | Anodyne, system issue, public apathy | 02:29–03:40 | | Border/Entitlements | Free stuff, Medicaid, “beautiful bill,” “birth tourism” | 05:03–12:57 | | Federal Action/Cities | ICE raids, legal basis, mayoral pushback | 13:53–19:35 | | Polling & Election | Trump’s strengths, Dem weaknesses, NYT/Siena poll discussion | 20:36–22:24 | | Late Night Media | Kimmel/Colbert/Fallon roast, cultural divide | 25:50–30:40 | | “Fascism” claims | Joy Reid, taxes, regulation, capitalism defense | 31:45–35:20 | | “Two spirit” episode | Hawley stumps official, panel riffs on identity politics | 36:05–38:27 |

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Tone & Style

The language throughout is sharply partisan, satirical, and occasionally playful. Zingers, running jokes (especially about “trolling” and culture war issues), and quick-fire exchanges keep the tone brisk and combative. There's a blend of substantive policy critique and comedic derision—classic for "The Five."

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For Listeners Who Missed the Episode

This episode of "The Five" is a quintessential look at how partisan media frames national crises—emphasizing Democratic culpability for the government shutdown, linking border politics to fiscal fights, mocking progressive rhetoric, and lampooning cultural clashes from late night TV to administrative language. The panel freely mixes policy discussion with cultural commentary and humor, offering plenty of memorable one-liners and moments that exemplify the show’s blend of news and entertainment. If you missed it, you've missed some fiery debate, plenty of conservative talking points, and sharp barbs aimed across the aisle and at the media.

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Transcript

[Greg Gutfeld]

Foreign.

[Jesse Waters]

Gutfeld along with Paul Morrow, Jessica Tarlov, Jesse Waters, and she can carve a pumpkin from the inside out. Dana Perino the Five It's a finger pointing palooza. After the federal government shut down, nearly every Senate Democrat voted against a Republican plan to open it back up. And now everyone says the other guy is to blame.

[Dana Perino]

Democrats in Congress have officially shut down the United States government.

[Jessica Tarlov]

Democrats want to avert this crisis, but Republicans tried to bully us.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Chuck Schumer is listening to the far left radicals in his own party.

[Paul Morrow]

Republican leadership is off playing make believe.

[Whitney Allen]

In LA la land.

[Greg Gutfeld]

They prioritize taxpayer funded benefits for illegal aliens over keeping the government open for American citizens.

[Jessica Tarlov]

They don't even have the guts to to be on Capitol Hill and debate us face to face.

[Jesse Waters]

They have taken the American people hostage.

[Dana Perino]

The women were in charge.

[Whitney Allen]

We'd have done this by now.

[Jesse Waters]

Sexist president.

[Tyrus]

We can do things during the shutdown that are irreversible, that are bad for them and irreversible by them. Like cutting vast numbers of people out, cutting things that they like, cutting programs that they like. When you shut it down, you have to do layoffs. So we would be laying off a lot of people that are going to be very affected. And the Democrats, they're going to be Democrats.

[Jesse Waters]

Amid the shutdown drama, 47 has been trolling the hell out of Dem leaders, slapping sombreros on Hakeem's head, shoving Trump 2028 hats in their faces, serving up Diet Cokes and showing off Biden's auto pen portrait. Watch this.

[Greg Gutfeld]

When he tried to hand you that Trump 2028 hat, what was your reaction?

[Jessica Tarlov]

Well, actually, he did not try to hand leader Schumer and I the Trump 2028 hat. They just randomly appeared in the middle of the meeting on the desk. It was the strangest thing ever. And I just looked at the hat, looked at JD Vance who was seated to my left and said, don't you got a problem with this? And he said, no comment.

[Jesse Waters]

Poor kids. It's not like they weren't trolling the Republicans for the last 10 years by calling us Hitler a Nazi. They can't take a sombrero. Lighten up, champ.

[Dana Perino]

Okay, okay.

[Jesse Waters]

That was my monologue for today. Okay, so these shutdowns happen with such regular regularity. It seems like it's not about the participants. It's about the system itself, Dana. And you're a systems thinker.

[Dana Perino]

It's like they're taking Merrill Acts.

[Jesse Waters]

Yes, exactly. When the government shuts down, the consequences are only are felt by the citizens and not the shutdowners. Shouldn't that be reversed?

[Dana Perino]

Yes. Okay, so let's go back just a little ways, trip down memory lane. In October of 1995, at the first government shutdown, that was my first day on the job on Capitol Hill, working as a press secretary. Didn't know if I was essential or not. It was a big deal. It was the first one since, and it lasted a long time. There were headlines everywhere. This is Newt Gingrich. This is actually Mark Penn, who a lot of people see on this program. He was advising Bill Clinton at the time. He said, let the Republicans do. We will win this. And they felt like they did, of course, going into that next midterm. So then you have a situation where it happens over and over and over again. I have a friend down in Florida, is very involved in politics. He was out and about last night. So he asked everybody what they thought about the shutdown. Nobody knew what was happening.

[Jesse Waters]

Right.

[Dana Perino]

What's happened is, over time, the shutdowns have become so anodyne that you're not going to miss your Social Security check. Everything is. Did you like that word?

[Greg Gutfeld]

I have to look that up.

[Jesse Waters]

That's a great word.

[Dana Perino]

Everything is pretty much work. You're not personally affected by it.

[Jesse Waters]

The White House becomes like Home Depot, where you could just walk around. I mean, not the White House. The government itself becomes like Home Depot. There's just nobody there to help you.

[Dana Perino]

And if you're a conservative, you're thinking, great, yeah, government shut down. That means they're not going to be able to do anything. The other thing is when the Democrats want to play chicken with President Trump, I mean, come on, who do they think is going to win? He. He doesn't mind doing irreversible cuts. Part of this is actually it's bad for both sides. I think it's bad for the country. We should be able to do this in a reasonable way. But there's a woman. I just want. My last point is that Neera Tanden, she worked at the Obama and the Biden White House, and also for Hillary Clinton. She was attacking members of the media for pointing out that Democrats shut the government down. But they literally did. There were 13 votes that they took, and then they decided at the last minute they didn't. Now the Democrats will have to decide how. How much do they care about Chuck Schumer's political future?

[Jesse Waters]

Right.

[Dana Perino]

Three Democrats have already crossed over. And if the political pain for them gets much higher, then they could have more. But I do Think this could go on a while, talking about this a while.

[Jesse Waters]

Excellent. Because, you know, this is my favorite topic. Jesse. I love the seriousness with which CNN placed the, the, the trolling. And it's almost as though they, they have forgotten that for decades they have mocked Republicans, they've ridiculed him, and now the shoes on the other foot and they're like, this isn't funny at all.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Yeah, stop. CNN's asking Republicans to condemn a hat. Yes, it's just a hat Mexicans wear to keep the sun out of their eyes.

[Jesse Waters]

Why do they hate Mexican culture?

[Greg Gutfeld]

I don't see what's racist about putting a sombrero on anybody.

[Jesse Waters]

Yeah, Mexicans love sombreros. Yeah.

[Greg Gutfeld]

We wear cowboy hats. They wear sombreros.

[Jesse Waters]

Why does CNN hate Mexicans? That's a fair question.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Right? And the question is, why is Trump putting the sombrero on? Hakeem said it's because Hakeem is shutting the government down to give Mexicans health care. And so I don't understand. If they call us Nazi, we can't put a sombrero on you. I mean, they look really, really uptight. And Trump looks loose. He looks confident, and he has all the leverage because he doesn't need anything. He got everything in the big, beautiful bill. The Democrats need stuff. They want to give stuff away, and they decided to fight this out now. And it's really not the right time. Trump is gonna just start doging everything. Their windmills, their stupid bloated programs for two spirited people. It's all coming down. You think Democrats are just gonna sit around and run out the clock? You think Trump is going to cave and say, okay, let's give billions to illegal aliens so they can get sex changes? You know, illegal aliens can actually get government funded sex changes in California. That's what this is about. Biden paroled millions of people. He flew Venezuelans into the country and gave them access to health care. He said, if you are an asylum seeker, we're going to give you health care. And then in states like New York and California, you get it, and the government funds it. And Trump's saying, no mas. That's all this is. And Schumer looks really dumb because the only reason he's doing this is to save face because his far left base wants action. And so he's gonna give him a little action and then he's gonna cave. And then what? Then what? I mean, AOC has already come out and said, hey, if you guys want to negotiate this, I'm your girl. How do you think that looks to Schumer. He's already losing power. Hakeem's getting clowned, and the stock market's up. They don't even care.

[Jesse Waters]

Well, Jessica, Jesse makes some excellent points in there, but let me boil it down to this, and I think Jesse hit on it. Isn't this entire budget conflict a direct result. Result of the border fiasco? And. And that you combined open borders with free stuff, and you have this massive opportunity cost on state and national budgets. And that's the. What we're seeing right now is a direct consequence of the abdication of your border responsibility. What say you, Ms. Tarloff?

[Whitney Allen]

I say nay. No, no, mas. Not correct. The border crisis, which was a real crisis that I acknowledge here on the television, did not make the GOP go for all the provisions in the reconciliation bill and give massive amounts of tax cuts to billionaires and take away Medicaid coverage from the poorest Americans. They did that themselves, irrespective of what. Did they do that at the border?

[Greg Gutfeld]

Who actually.

[Whitney Allen]

Yes. And to cite it again, just listen to Josh Hawley talk about it if you don't believe me. Jesse said they're doing this because they want to give illegals health care. That is not true. It is prohibited. Two points that are important where prohibited in New York, California, federal statute.

[Greg Gutfeld]

But it's free.

[Whitney Allen]

States are allowed to do whatever they want.

[Jesse Waters]

Where do they get the money?

[Greg Gutfeld]

They get the money from the feds, Jessica.

[Whitney Allen]

Right.

[Jesse Waters]

This is musical chairs.

[Whitney Allen]

Then let's talk about the provision that they're trying to strike down from the big Beautiful bill. This section 71109.

[Jesse Waters]

Not that one.

[Whitney Allen]

That one in which eliminated Medicaid coverage. They're trying to get this reinstated for groups that are here lawfully, including refugees, survivors of domestic violence and trafficking victims. That's what the gop, if you're seeing their. Their tweets flying around there, don't show.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Up in the border and say you were trafficked. You got in and you got free health.

[Whitney Allen]

You don't have. They have protected status. That's what they're trying to reverse. But the point is, exactly. If you want to do a deal, if you actually care about people, which Mike Johnson.

[Jesse Waters]

We hate people.

[Whitney Allen]

Mike Johnson pretending that he. The ACA tax credits are the crux of all of this. And 21 million of the 24 people that benefit from those subsidies are in Trump states, so he should want to keep them happy.

[Greg Gutfeld]

They're pretty bad around Christmas.

[Whitney Allen]

No, no, they won't.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Yeah, they will.

[Whitney Allen]

They won't we've been asking them to do it for months and they don't. They're lying again saying okay just open up the government and we'll let that go ahead. 114% is how much those premiums are going to go up.

[Greg Gutfeld]

It's your program. You guys set the date for it to eclipse and then you guys juiced up premiums for Covid level spending. There is say they want to bring it back down to pre Covid reason.

[Whitney Allen]

That yes, of course.

[Greg Gutfeld]

How do I know more about this? I think you're confused about the know.

[Whitney Allen]

Exactly what I'm going to give you.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Some information about reading the commercial break.

[Whitney Allen]

I'm not reading any.

[Jesse Waters]

Let me bring all right, look, it.

[Paul Morrow]

Was supposed to be temporary. Just like Trump is saying, we have an opportunity here to do some things that are irreversible which by the way do it right. If they're going to use this to identify superfluous employees at the federal level, do it with the 60 day notification that's required under civil service law. And that way it's done correctly and won't be challenged in the courts. But let's go back to the opportunity they used Covid to throw all of these subsidies in. And like any entitlement, when you go to take it away, people have strokes that's everybody loses their mind. This was supposed to be temporary. They're just adhering to what the original deal is. Let me just we don't have a lot of time. Let me just say something real quick. First of all, birth tourism is a real thing, all right? They come here, they have the babies, they get prenatal care, then the kids are citizen. That's it. China does entire industries devoted to that. It happens. Jessica, I've been here in New York City. You got to rush them to the hospital. Not going to say no. The woman's in labor. Oh, but she's here illegally and she's from wherever. They're not going to say go have your baby on the street. Of course they're going to take care of the person. We absorb those costs. Those costs do come from the federal government ultimately. Lastly, if you want to see where this stuff leads, just to make a macro point, I got to go back to Milton Friedman. You can't have open borders and a full safety net. You just can't have it. It's just a truism of life. And if you want to see where it goes, look at the I'm going to say it again and I'm going to get tortured the. The nut job archipelago of our cities. Right. Johnson himself in Chicago has said we've reached a point of no return. Well, then do something about it. You're the one that's been nothing but Democrat rule all of these decades. You're the ones who enacted this. You got to undo it. And they won't. And just to expand canvas a little bit, where this ultimate leads is Europe. Look at Europe right now. It's failing. All right, the Wall Street Journal, big article about a month ago. If you haven't read it, I recommend you go read this because I'm surprised it didn't make a bigger splash when it came out. I know, Dana, you read it's Europe is falling apart. It's because epcot's got more juice than Europe. It's a fake Europe. They're losing all of their gdp. They have no borders. All of the psychology, psychological, all the pathologies of the far left have taken full hold in Europe. If you challenge them in any way, you're racist, you're sexist, your homophobe picket. And as a result, they have about as much juice these days as what, an island off of Florida? So that's where this is going. And if you can't see that being $37 trillion in debt is leading us where Europe's irrelevance now resides, then you know what? You're choosing obsolescence. And I'm sorry.

[Jesse Waters]

All right, we've got to move on. Up next, trend gets trend day arrested. See what I did there?

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[Tyrus]

This is going to be a big thing for the people in this room because it's the enemy from within and we have to handle it before it gets out of control. It won't get out of control once you get involved at all.

[Dana Perino]

President Trump is defending a decision to use US Troops in American cities, even as Democratic leaders in those Syria areas push back. But the strategy seems to be making an impact. At least four people were arrested by federal officers outside of Portland's ICE facility that's been plagued by nightly protests for months. And over in Chicago, ICE carrying out a major raid. Hundreds of federal agents targeting suspected train day Aragua members. The operation netted 37 illegal aliens, including those associated with the bloodthirsty Venezuelan gang. But Mayor Brandon Johnson wants the feds out of his city.

[Paul Morrow]

This is not about safety. This is not about immigration. This is about fermenting chaos and terrorizing the people of Chicago and cities across America. And as the mayor of the city of Chicago, we vehemently oppose and reject what this administration has promulgated against the American people.

[Dana Perino]

All right, so a little, I don't know if you guys had audio difficulties at home or we had a few. But we have the best commentary coming up because we have Paul Morrow to talk about this idea that the feds can help in the blue cities. To me, like in D.C. where everything's calmer now, the more if you see proof of concept and it's working in certain places, and I know there are constitutional issues, but when it comes to protecting federal buildings or having ICE go in to do lawfully what they're allowed to do, if it works, it works.

[Paul Morrow]

Of course it does. So there's a couple of levers Donald Trump has here to get a little legalistic. First of all, yeah, we all know Posse Comitatus, you can't use the military to do police work. Okay? That's police powers are resolved to the states. Okay, we get it. But a couple of carve outs. One of them is the Insurrection Act. It's right in there. It's a carve out the Posse Comitatus. You can use it to protect facilities and you can use it when federal law is being obstructed. That's the operative phrase right there. ICE is trying to enforce federal law. If they're being obstructed, you can do this. What it means is he's on very, very safe ground. The same guy Johnson who just told us that his city has hit a point of no return, is turning down resources that could help the Chicago pd which is, by the way, down thousands of officers. There's also something else which you don't hear about much under the commerce clause, all right. Which we've all bandied about on the air, Congress can use that power, which is resolve to Congress to put federal assets on common carriers. What does that mean? Transportation systems we constantly hearing about. If you do a Google search at any point of crimes on a transportation system in our cities, you're going to get a whole slew of nightmares, including that horrible thing that happened down in Charlotte. Donald Trump, we have Congress now on the right. You can get something through where you say, okay, I'm going to put the National Guard on our transportation systems. That's the lifeblood of all these cities, including here in New York, that can be federalized. That's another avenue that he can go down. All of these things are possible. The problem is that we invited so many problems in and TDA is a very good example. We can go on and on. I went forever to close the loop. We do need my opinion that domestic terrorism law, which I wrote about on Fox News, so I'm going to plug it. People should read it because it's very simple, it's entirely comprehensible. And we can get a lot of these gangs that have been designated as narco terrorist groups. We can get them out and we need that.

[Dana Perino]

So Greg, Brandon Johnson, the mayor of Chicago is like a cartoon character that takes the bait on every dumb thing that they put out to him. So they arrest for Trend Iragua members and he's mad about it.

[Jesse Waters]

Yeah, no, he's stupid. And I don't think there's anyone. I didn't think that Lori Lightfoot would be bested in terms of worst mayor ever. He gets it.

[Paul Morrow]

Wait for mom, Danny.

[Jesse Waters]

Yeah, mom Donnie. But I mean they have no standards for who they put in there. And that's what happens when you do DEI hiring. You don't have standards. It's good to see we finally see real insurrections. I'm so tired of hearing about a fake one for the last, what, how many? Four years. It's hilarious how Dems hate ICE and people in any kind of uniform unless a Democrat is in power. They dined on a four hour attack on January 6th. One day out of 250 years of the country's existence. You know, screaming over the Capitol Police being in danger. Yet they never say anything about ICE being in danger every single day or the police. Since the Floyd riots. They have been targeted, they've been shot. You don't hear jack from Democrats. The average police officer, I think would gladly take one four hour episode of a tour guide going amok in D.C. than what they have to deal with every single day. I also love watching the we have paid protesters that come here out in front. They start on the hour, they end on the hour. It's so obvious they're paid. It's hilarious. But it's great because when you see these protesters at the ICE facilities, they're less impactful than yelling at Brit Hume on the television. They just stand there, they're like meter maids. I'm going to write you a ticket anyway because ICE is just doing its job. You can yell at them about the policies. That's not Their department. I mean, imagine being me and I get so mad at the Imodium packaging cuz I can't get my stubby fingers to open up the package. Imagine me going to the cashier at CVS and yelling at them about it. They just happen to have sold me it. But it's not the people that actually made the damn packaging. So I find that quite joyful.

[Dana Perino]

There's also Jesse. The activity in Portland, Oregon, as well as the Memphis crackdown is beginning.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Well, I can see into the future and I can tell Jessica is going to talk about a poll. So I have a poll I'd like to talk about. It's the New York Times poll. Jessica, do you like that one? I'm sure you like that one a lot. It says crime is Donald Trump's strongest issue. It also says the second strongest issue is fighting illegal immigration. You know what the two weakest issues for Democrats are? Crime and illegal immigration. So I say whatever he's doing on crime and illegal immigration, he should go harder. The Portland people are saying that it's not that big of a deal, okay, if it's not that big of a deal, Portland, why can't you handle it, huh? It's been going on for four months. There's been laying siege to a federal building, assaulting officers, obstructing what they're supposed to be doing. And you guys are saying we don't need your help. You obviously do because you guys can't arrest the same 60 people who do the same thing every night for four months. Same thing with Chicago. Every time you hear about one of these big high profile crimes, you look at the guy sheet and he's got 17 priors. You're the ones not doing your job. So when we have to come in and do your job for you, do you realize how emasculated it makes you guys look when men who were supposed to be leaders are complaining that another man is too big and he's too strong and powerful and tough? That makes you guys sound like women and it makes you sound like weak women. And that's not how you guys should sound after you did all the trans stuff and you can't even control your own town. You're like, oh, I have it under control. Well, no, you don't. You don't control the media anymore. So we can see everything that's going on. We can see the pepper spray. We can see you guys fighting ice. You can't hide it anymore. It's all out in the wide open.

[Dana Perino]

Jessica, do you have A poll now?

[Whitney Allen]

I do. I actually wasn't even going to go for it, but since Jesse started this, you know, there's an election coming up, and Jesse talked about crime and immigration being Donald Trump's best issues. His approval rating has obviously been going in the negative direction, but not as much as the economy, inflation and health care, which is what this election should be about. I'd also like to, from your Near Times Siena poll, talk about something that's directly relevant. Which of the following is more concerning to you? That crime will spiral out of control in big cities unless the national guard gets involved, 42%. Or that Donald Trump could use the National Guard to intimidate his political opponents, 51%.

[Paul Morrow]

But look at All American.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Why are you citing polls? If you say that Trump's going to use ICE to steal the next election, there's not going to be another election. You said Trump is going to use ICE to steal the election. Who cares about those then?

[Whitney Allen]

Okay. The most important piece of this puzzle came in Donald Trump's speech during that meeting where they hauled in all of the generals to listen to Secretary Hegseth and then the president. And he said San Francisco and Chicago, New York, Louisiana will straighten them out one by one. It will be a major part for some of the people in this room. So to the generals, you're going to have to be part of this. It's a war, too. It's a war from within. We're under invasion from within. And for those of you who have been telling me, you know about how language matters. Right. And it's what the left is saying, the enemy within, which is a term that he's used repeatedly. He's used to refer to.

[Jesse Waters]

I used it yesterday.

[Whitney Allen]

Nancy Pelosi.

[Jesse Waters]

I think that's where he got it.

[Whitney Allen]

60 Minutes. The Biden administration. No. Use it a lot on the campaign trail. So what he's saying to a room of people who have sworn an oath to the Constitution, not to him, even though I know that that's confusing for him, is that you're going to do whatever I want and I'm going to sic you on the quote, unquote, enemy within, which includes people who are your political opponents. So the American people, Allah, that poll have seen through it. And folks who vote like me.

[Jesse Waters]

No, no, no, wait. Who's the enemy within again?

[Whitney Allen]

Well, you lost me on that. It's everyone. He doesn't like Adam.

[Jesse Waters]

No, no, no, no. I think he's talking about criminals and he's talking about the WOKE radicals who protect him.

[Whitney Allen]

It's kind of easy.

[Jesse Waters]

He's talking about. Yeah, he's talking about. It's so simple. Why do you have to expand the target? You guys do that already. Don't do it for us. We are very specific about who we go after.

[Whitney Allen]

The rabbit holes. No, no, no.

[Jesse Waters]

You know why Trump is winning? You know why Trump is winning on immigration and crime? Because you can't lie about it.

[Paul Morrow]

Well, there's another. There's a nuance here. Just real quick, and we're out of time. Where are the local cops in these circumstances? If you look at the films, right, if nypd, you can have a big protest, you set up a penny, they stay within the pen. If they leave the penn, they still get to have their first amendment right. They leave the penn, they get arrested because they're outside of the agreement. There's never a penn. They had the one in Illinois. They have the stuff in Portland. They just run wild. Where are the local cops that the cops will do it if you tell them to do it? That tells me they're ordered to stand down. That's why he's got to send people in, because the feds are getting no help. The way it's configured now, ICE gets less protection than your average citizen.

[Jesse Waters]

Wow. I agree.

[Dana Perino]

Wow.

[Jesse Waters]

Shocking. Wow. What he said.

[Dana Perino]

Up next, Greg's low rated late night competition teams up to whine about President Trump.

[Whitney Allen]

My name is Whitney Allen. I am a widow.

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[Paul Morrow]

I agree.

[Greg Gutfeld]

It just hasn't been diagnosed. It's the Avengers of overpaid, poorly rated late night hosts Jimmy Kimmel, Stephen Colbert and that other guy holding a therapy session to whine about President Trump after Kimmel basically got a four day paid vacation.

[Jesse Waters]

We're doing something unprecedented tonight. We thought it might be a fun.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Way to drive the president nuts. That son of a. You know, is really unbelievable.

[Jesse Waters]

Mr. Son of a. I mean. I mean, Mr. Son of a.

[Paul Morrow]

His royal.

[Jesse Waters]

Yes. Yeah. No, I never imagined that we'd ever have a president like this.

[Greg Gutfeld]

And I hope we don't ever have another president like this again. Did you watch that last night?

[Jesse Waters]

I didn't even know it was on. And that says everything because I got my finger in the pulse of America watching them like do this where like, he doesn't matter, I don't care. But oh, he said they were like three ex wives of one man getting together at brunch with their little skinny margaritas. It's the First Wives club. Except these bitter Crohn's were dumped by America. They weren't dumped by Trump. America can't stand them. They were tired of their incessant nagging and their old man smell. But since they've been divorced, they have to find comfort in their numbers. They must have a common cause.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Look at us.

[Jesse Waters]

Don't we look great? I'm on Ozempic. We're moving on. Except we can't move on. He's such a son of a bitch. Why won't he call? They go back. So they have their little drunken event at brunch. They flirt with a gay waiter. They come home, they get on social media. What did he say about me? Oh, there he is on his yacht. And then they start popping Xanax in the powder room. And then they weep themselves to bed with a half a bottle of tequila.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Yeah, Dana, they are kind of moving into that Jim Acosta, Rosie o' Donnell territory.

[Dana Perino]

This is one thing that I could add to that amazing description of everything is that you have newsmakers making crazy points about President Trump. Used to go on other cable news channels, but they don't anymore. Nobody's going to those anymore because those are even dying a slower death or a quicker death. You're finding all of these newsmakers are making points that are getting replayed. It's all on those late night comedy shows. Except for. What's his name?

[Jesse Waters]

Who?

[Dana Perino]

Alan?

[Jesse Waters]

Yeah.

[Dana Perino]

He wasn't there.

[Jesse Waters]

No, he wasn't. He's wise.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Yeah, he's smart. He's trying to be a little bit more fair and balanced. Jessica, are you impressed with this crew?

[Whitney Allen]

I don't know about impressed. I. I will say that I don't think it's the First Wives club. Did you see the movie the Other Woman. No, Cameron Diaz, Leslie Mann and Kate Upton are all. Leslie Mann's actually married to the guy, but he's having an affair with the other two and they all team up. So I'm just throwing that into the mix from a cultural perspective. I just wanna help you out. Listen, Jimmy Kimmel won. That's the truth. Donald Trump said, get rid of Kimmel. Brendan Carr said, we could do this the easy way or the hard way. And Disney tried to get rid of him but couldn't because you all went out and you canceled your subscriptions and you canceled your Disney weddings. And now he's back on air. Sinclair and nexstar said, oh well, we're not going to show it. He has to give to Turning Point. And they're showing it again. So he did win and he's taking a victory.

[Jesse Waters]

Add that victory, but he's gone in a year, so who cares?

[Greg Gutfeld]

What do you mean he won? His ratings are terrible.

[Jesse Waters]

But that he got one bump.

[Whitney Allen]

Donald Trump said, I'm going to get you fired. And that does not look like a fired man.

[Greg Gutfeld]

He's having fun. They're doing it for publicity. They were talking about Kimmel and you guys aren't talking about anything that relates to anybody in this country.

[Paul Morrow]

We're firmly in the end game. It's all over. I mean these three clinging to each other on the air to me is like those, like those freezes that you see in Pompeii of the family hugging to each other as Mount Vesuvius, Mount Trump just buried the three of them. And it's all over. You can hear Mozart's Requiem playing in the background. It's all over. And really, I mean that's what's going on. They're all going to run out their contracts. Here we. Oh, and everybody, that's where it's going. They're getting their last little smug licks. And all I would say is this. If Colbert was losing $40 million a year, Kimmel rates lower and gets paid more according to the reporting. Like I said, I haven't seen his tax returns. All I can say is Disney, you're okay with this. Shareholders, you're okay with this. Guys losing $40 million a year. Look at the five year stock chart for Disney and you say to yourself, where is the fiduciary duty there? Okay, why? Why was it decided at some point early in my life apparently that every late night show that gets a network license from the government has to be hyper left. If they were all like you on the networks. If we had four of them in your territory, there would be, I hate to use the term, an insurrection.

[Jesse Waters]

There would be. You know who's the number one replacement for Kimmel, according to the betting markets?

[Paul Morrow]

No way.

[Jesse Waters]

Yeah.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Thank God he's gonna leave the show. I've been waiting for Greg to leave the Five for all these years. Finally, I can have some more time to talk. Up next, Joy Reid tries to fear monger over Trump fascism and completely face plants.

[Emily Compagno]

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[Dana Perino]

This week on the FOX True Crime podcast, I'm joined by retired FBI special agent Stacy Perkins as she discusses the Bureau's Innocent Images initiative and the many child predators she has helped to bring down.

[Emily Compagno]

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[Paul Morrow]

Unemployed former MSNBC anchor Joy Reid is outlining the scary so called fascist agenda President Trump and Republicans are imposing on America. But honestly, it doesn't sound half bad. Watch this.

[Joy Reid]

We are in a fascist moment. And what that means is a right wing, white nationalist, white supremacist moment that is centered around hierarchy. If you go back before the 20th century, there were no income taxes, there were no regulations on business. You could earn as much money as you want, leave 100% of it to your children with no taxes. That's the world. They want that back.

[Paul Morrow]

So, Jesse, you're a fascist. What's your take?

[Greg Gutfeld]

Well, if fascism is wanting regulation, estate and income tax cuts, then I am the biggest fascist of all time. And that would make the entire Republican Party fascist and a healthy slice of the Democrat Party fascist as well. As you said, I haven't seen her tax returns, but I would bet she pays for tax people very well to reduce her income and reduce her estate taxes and is doing everything possible to accumulate as much wealth so she too can pass it on to her children. It's what every smart functioning person does in this country because you want your children to live a better life than you.

[Paul Morrow]

Jessica, I'm not going to say anything else other than fight with him. Go ahead.

[Greg Gutfeld]

She doesn't need any encouragement.

[Whitney Allen]

Yeah, I'm also kind of good on this one. If you're going to describe the authoritarian moment, go with masked ICE agents and militarized cities. Go with tax code.

[Paul Morrow]

I think they've really lost a thread. When she describes the Republican agenda, 85% of the country says, oh, that sounds pretty good.

[Dana Perino]

Do you want more economic growth? All the things that she just described would actually help goose the economy. Like let's actually do these types of things, especially on regulations. President Trump can Do a bunch. But still, there's so much more to go. And it would actually benefit a lot of African American communities, minority communities, if you could let them do things that they want to do. And also if she. I don't know if she has children, but if you're a farmer in America or a rancher and you've worked your entire life, you shouldn't be able to give that to your children. That's outrageous. It's sort of like Bernie Sanders. He's made millions of dollars on books about how bad capitalism is. To me, Bernie Sanders always seems like somebody who gets the joke. I don't think she does very clearly.

[Paul Morrow]

She doesn't. So that's why she is a joke. Greg, go ahead.

[Jesse Waters]

Could you just show a two shot of them again? This looks like, at least to me, like a public access channel show called Prison Talk. They're both wearing different styles of stripes. Did you notice that? She said the one on the right's wearing green stripes, the other one's more chalky, thick stripes. Could be an idea for a show. I'd love to produce it. The difference between Bernie and Joy is that Bernie understands there's certain words you don't use because they're demonizing. And in this case, it's.

[Dana Perino]

It's.

[Jesse Waters]

She's still calling people fascist after Charlie Kirk. And we have to. And as we know, the left commits acts of violence of a political nature. The right acts of violence are from within a beef, a deranged connection, an unstable conspiracy, not a greater political aim. And the greater political aim is often primed. Primed by an external persuasion. So she is continuing with this external persuasion, this demonizing buildup, knowing the outcome, whether it is ice, shootings, shooting Trump, trying to kill Trump, trying to kill Charlie Garrett. She has no problem calling people Hitler, fascist, authoritarian. What does that say about her? Not much.

[Paul Morrow]

The thing they always miss just to take us out is that Churchill paraphrase Churchill, which is that capitalism is the absolute worst form of government, except for all the others. And that really sums it up. They didn't get that memo. Up next, what the heck is a two spirit? Even the Biden people are stumped.

[Greg Gutfeld]

You can get the.

[Dana Perino]

I'm Dana Perino. This week on Perino on Politics, I am joined by executive Vice president at Targeted Victory Match Gorman.

[Emily Compagno]

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[Dana Perino]

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[Whitney Allen]

A heated exchange erupting between Senator Josh Hawley and a former Biden official who seemed to be clueless about how the term two spirit showed up in his own report on how to combat gun violence.

[Emily Compagno]

We need to invest in programs that acknowledge the need for safe space initiatives. Yes.

[Jesse Waters]

Led by lesbian, gay, bisexual, two spirit.

[Paul Morrow]

Trans and gender non conforming people. What's two spirit?

[Jesse Waters]

Well, look, I don't know.

[Emily Compagno]

You guys are pulling some interesting quotes. This is from your report.

[Jesse Waters]

I feel like I'm looking at a two faced individual because you talk about redemption. Oh no, sir.

[Emily Compagno]

You're looking at somebody who's reading your own words.

[Whitney Allen]

So do you know what a true spirit is?

[Paul Morrow]

Yes. So in certain indigenous cultures, if you were essentially bisexual, you were considered to have been touched by the divine. Obviously not every Indian nation, but certain ones did. That's where the phrase comes from. All I can say is this. I was in Chicago for the dnc. I was told by the cops and by even some trend Aragua guys I talked to in my halting Spanish that they had cleaned out the whole middle of Chicago to make sure it looked good for all of the delegates. So we went off track, went out to a rougher area, was by a housing project. We're talking to some of the young kids there. They would. They thought we were there because there was another shooting. That's how they just assumed. Who's this guy with a camera crew? There must have been another shooting. All I can think about is trying to explain to those young girls they rent a car with their mother what two spirit is when they were worried about getting shot and how that would have gone on.

[Whitney Allen]

Well, Jesse, this guy, Gregory Jackson was actually seriously injured in a shooting in 2013 and he is putting forward a plan that is.

[Dana Perino]

You know who.

[Greg Gutfeld]

This guy?

[Whitney Allen]

Yeah.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Okay, the one. The guy that wrote a report and doesn't know what is in it.

[Whitney Allen]

He didn't know one word or another one word.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Okay, so if I write a report, Jessica, and then someone asks me what's in the report and I say, I don't know, I've never heard of it. He didn't write the report. Am I surprised that a Biden official didn't know what the hell was going on and didn't even know the work he was putting out under his name? No, I'm not surprised, Jessica.

[Whitney Allen]

Okay, nice to talk to you, Dana.

[Dana Perino]

That he didn't know is that he probably didn't write it. It's probably written by one of the constellation of left wing NGOs that were working hand in glove with them.

[Jesse Waters]

Greg, The Wokest industrial complex is an entirely cut and paste contagion that's why all these words spread around. Kamala Harris, by the way, is a two spirit animal. Whiskey and vodka. But Holly just committed the worst crime against liberals, making them look stupid by reading their words back to them. Yeah. One more thing is up next.

[Whitney Allen]

Josh Hawley knows that the bill cuts your Medicaid. And one more thing is up next.

[Paul Morrow]

Dave Portnoy is.

[Jesse Waters]

I can't touch him anyway. Hey, Dana.

[Dana Perino]

Well, in Washington state, there was a black bear. And, you know, we gotta check this guy out. He turned porch pirate after scooping up a package from a local resident's front door. And then he sauntered away. But unfortunately, the bear didn't score any food because it was a sweater.

[Jesse Waters]

Smell good, though.

[Dana Perino]

Poor guy.

[Jesse Waters]

That's a great story. Thank you. All right, tonight we got a great show. Emily Compagno. Who's that guy? Paul Morrow. Cat tippet, Tyrus. Tonight, 10pm hey, here's something new. Greg's Amazing Jersey Attractions now with Retson. Hey, you know, if you're. If you're traveling down the old highway in New Jersey, be sure and stop by the Connie Chung service area. It's amazing. You just drive right in, you know, she was inducted into the New Jersey hall of fame in 2016.

[Dana Perino]

That looks like Mary 1962.

[Jesse Waters]

I know. My buddy Buzzo from the Melvins took that picture this morning and sent it to me. But you know, that she got. She was inducted because. For marriage to Maury Porpovich. Yes. And also she lives in Middleton, New Jersey, created two years ago. There you go. Be sure and visit it. Take a dump in one of their bathrooms. All right, Jesse, speaking of dumps, you.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Remember Howard Stern used to have one of those rest stops on 95, and it became like a meeting place for gay sex.

[Dana Perino]

Oh, wow.

[Jesse Waters]

How'd you know?

[Dana Perino]

I don't remember that.

[Greg Gutfeld]

I listened to the show. He talked about it one time. I went in there by acc. Funny. I saw you there.

[Jesse Waters]

Greg.

[Paul Morrow]

Greg, make the Cory Booker joke. Go ahead.

[Greg Gutfeld]

All right. Wow. He's straight. He just got married. Hawaii's Kaleo Hotel.

[Jesse Waters]

Oh, God.

[Greg Gutfeld]

They keep sending me these videos of these volcanoes. They think it's my thing. It's the 34th eruption. This thing just can't stop. Over and over again. We love it. Tonight, Jesse Waters primetime, We have Anna Paulina Luna, Caitlin Napoleon at 8 o'.

[Jesse Waters]

Clock.

[Whitney Allen]

Bum bum.

[Jesse Waters]

Jessica.

[Whitney Allen]

Okay. Members of the Mormon Church have rallied around the family of Thomas Jacob Sanford, the Michigan gunman, who opened fire at their congregation this past weekend. They've raised $200,000 for his widow and child. It's a wonderful thing to see.

[Jesse Waters]

Paul, you got no second five seconds.

[Paul Morrow]

In Egyptian strongman pulled a seven.

[Emily Compagno]

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