Dems In The Dumps

Summary

Podcast Summary: "Dems In The Dumps" – The Five, FOX News Radio

Release Date: July 15, 2025

In the episode titled "Dems In The Dumps," FOX News Radio's "The Five" hosts—Greg Gutfeld, Jesse Watters, Kennedy, Harold Ford Jr., and Dana Perino—delve into the Democratic Party's declining popularity and explore various factors contributing to their current struggles. The discussion is both dynamic and incisive, providing listeners with a comprehensive analysis of the political landscape as of mid-2025.

1. Democratic Decline in Polls

The conversation kicks off with Jesse Watters highlighting the Democrats' poor standing in recent polls:

Jesse Watters [00:05]: "The latest poll shows how badly they are underwater with voters only 40% approve, 60% think they stink."

The hosts agree that the Democratic Party is facing significant challenges, struggling to resonate with a broad electorate.

2. Critique of Governor Gavin Newsom

A substantial portion of the discussion centers around California Governor Gavin Newsom's attempts to rebrand himself as a relatable "bro," a strategy that seemingly backfired:

Jesse Watters [02:04]: "Kennedy, you get the feeling that Gavin has transitioned into a bro... I really hate myself."

Harold Ford Jr. adds that Newsom's approach is perceived as inauthentic:

Harold Ford Jr. [03:23]: "He’s Mr. Doubtfire. Of course, it's not working. People can see right through it."

The hosts critique Newsom's use of profanity and masculine personas, arguing that it fails to connect with voters effectively.

3. Democratic Vulnerabilities: Epstein and Foreign Policy

Jesse Watters brings up multiple vulnerabilities the Democrats face, including the Epstein scandal and foreign policy issues:

Jesse Watters [04:32]: "You have the Epstein story, you have the Ukraine story, you have Iran..."

Harold Ford Jr. counters by suggesting that these issues provide openings for Republicans:

Harold Ford Jr. [05:36]: "Democrats have an opening here on a number of different issues."

However, he points out that internal divisions and overlapping interests make it difficult for Democrats to capitalize on these vulnerabilities.

4. Immigration and ICE Agent Attacks

A heated segment discusses the surge in violence against ICE agents and Democrats' use of Nazi analogies:

Kennedy [12:04]: "Democrats dumping more gas on the anti-ICE fire they started even as frontline agents face an 830% spike in violent attacks."

Greg Gutfeld criticizes the Democrats for perpetuating negative narratives:

Greg Gutfeld [13:39]: "It's utterly ludicrous and we need to do away with that."

The hosts argue that Democrats' portrayal of ICE agents as "Nazi Gestapo thugs" is both misleading and offensive.

5. Education Policies and NEA Criticism

The panel turns attention to education, criticizing the National Education Association (NEA) for prioritizing political indoctrination over essential skills like reading and writing:

Jesse Watters [24:30]: "The National Education association held its big annual get together and it was Trump Resistance 101."

Harold Ford Jr. emphasizes the need for improved K-12 education and criticizes the NEA's focus on DEI (Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion) initiatives:

Harold Ford Jr. [26:16]: "We are failing our kids. Which is why I think destroying the Department of Education is the wrong thing to do."

6. Political Divides Impacting Families

The discussion shifts to the personal toll of political polarization, with the hosts sharing anecdotes about family feuds caused by differing political views:

Harold Ford Jr. [35:17]: "Politics should be the last thing at a dinner. What you should be talking about."

Dana Perino humorously explores the idea of ostracizing liberal family members to protest their political stance:

Dana Perino [35:55]: "I'm gonna ostracize them. They've ruined the country. They're traitorous."

7. Light-Hearted Interludes and Final Thoughts

Interspersed with serious discussions are moments of levity, including jokes about "time blindness" and personal stories that humanize the hosts. For instance:

Jesse Watters [38:07]: "Time blindness is another way of saying unemployed."

The episode concludes with reflections on maintaining familial relationships despite political differences and the importance of focusing on substantive issues over partisan rhetoric.

Notable Quotes with Timestamps

• Jesse Watters [00:05]: "The latest poll shows how badly they are underwater with voters only 40% approve, 60% think they stink."
• Harold Ford Jr. [03:23]: "He’s Mr. Doubtfire. Of course, it's not working. People can see right through it."
• Greg Gutfeld [13:39]: "It's utterly ludicrous and we need to do away with that."
• Jesse Watters [24:30]: "The National Education association held its big annual get together and it was Trump Resistance 101."

Conclusion

"Dems In The Dumps" offers a critical examination of the Democratic Party's current predicament, blending humor with sharp political analysis. The hosts provide listeners with a clear perspective on the challenges facing Democrats, from leadership missteps to policy misalignments, while also addressing broader societal issues like education and immigration. This episode serves as a valuable resource for those seeking to understand the complexities of contemporary American politics from a conservative viewpoint.

Transcript

[Greg Gutfeld]

Foreign.

[Jesse Watters]

Gutfeld along with Kennedy, Harold Ford Jr. Jesse Waters and her yoga mat is a fruit roll up. Dana Farina, the Five. Damn. Still looking for a leader to save their poop show of a party. The latest poll shows how badly they are underwater with voters only 40% approve, 60% think they stink. Enter the gesticulating Governor Gavin Newsom, the guy who turned California from a golden state to a golden shower, spent four hours melting down on a conservative podcast swearing up a storm about President Trump calling in the military to clean up the mess in la.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

Last thing people would expect is that I respect this gift.

[Jesse Watters]

Really, I appreciate.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

Yeah, man, I'm not anti gun at all.

[Jesse Watters]

Joe Rogan texted me. Mother Joe.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

I loved it, by the way. Say I'm a Joe Rogan fan. He ain't a fan of mine, but I'm a Joe Rogan fan. No. So insulting to your. Your audience that anyone would believe that. Are you kidding? That despise me for the. That I read, too. It's a weakness masquerading as strength. That's what I don't like about this son of a. I don't. He calls me new scum. You know, Come on. How do I explain that to my kid? Now he's got. I have my kids friends calling my kids new scum.

[Dana Perino]

Wow.

[Jesse Watters]

Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hair. But you got to give Greasy some credit for being pod curious. And like Kamala's crew, who, according to Mark Cuban, were too chicken to face the Rogan experience, they were afraid.

[Dana Perino]

Right.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

They didn't trust her that she would make a mistake.

[Dana Perino]

Yeah.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

And because they had her so wrapped, so wound tight, like, if the cursing Kamala would have gone on the broadcast.

[Dana Perino]

She would have killed it.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

It's not hard to go on there.

[Dana Perino]

And just have a real honest con.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

Where you can, you know, have some fun with it.

[Dana Perino]

And they just did not want Kamala to do that.

[Jesse Watters]

Excellent camera angle there, Mark. You know, Kennedy, you get the feeling that Gavin has transitioned into a bro. And it's like he just thinks that if I talk like a bro, he's just like a guy dressing up as a woman to play whatever sports or use the women's bathroom.

[Kennedy]

Yeah. These are Mr.

[Jesse Watters]

Doubt, but is it working with these?

[Kennedy]

He's Mr. Doubtfire. Of course it's not working. People can see right through it. And that was the point. Kamala Harris couldn't go on Joe Rogan because she didn't have three hours worth of material. She would have melted down after a half hour of a podcast that her team wasn't able to talk with the producers about the editing, which is obviously what she did on Call Her Daddy and Alex what's her name launched so many softballs at Kamala Harris. Those kind of appearances were embarrassing. And it doesn't matter if you swear. It doesn't make you sound tough. It doesn't help you express your ideas any more clearly. And that's what Gavin is trying to do. But the thing, I know he and Harold are friends and I appreciate that, but Gavin Newsom is trying to have it both ways because he's like thrown off like mother trucker, cocker spaniel. I can't believe I said that. Trump is a real son of a banshee. Forgive my leg. He's a sitting president. How could I have done that? I really hate myself.

[Dana Perino]

Suck it.

[Kennedy]

You know, and he's just going like expletive after expletive. It's like your state is still a failure. You've let everyone down. And in a national poll where he has been pushing himself on the electorate, he's still in a distant third. Incompetent Kamala is at 26%. Mayor Pete, who has never done anything of value other than take a bicycle out of the back of a security SUV and ride a block to work pretending he's Lance Armstrong. He's beating Gavin Newsom in that same poll.

[Jesse Watters]

There you go. So Harold, there seems to be. So the Democrats really don't have any issues and they don't have any people. But Trump has some vulnerabilities right now. You have the Epstein story, you have the Ukraine story, you have Iran, and you have him kind of backing up on deporting people that work at farms and restaurants. Whatever the problem is, the Dems can't latch onto those stories, can they? Because they're on. They can't oppose the Epstein thing because there are Dems in there too. Right. They can't go after any of the other foreign policy cuz they're pro Ukraine.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

Well, good to glad you're here, Kennedy. I think you're right. Democrats have an opening here on a number of different issues. I think what Gavin is trying to get at here is two things. One, to show the strength of him as person using the cuss words. Democrats lost a lot of the male but lost a lot of black men and white men this last election. And I think there's an effort on the part of some Democrats to try to project some masculinity, whatever. I know what that means. But however they interpret it, and then two you have to. To Kennedy's point and to your point. Project strength of ideas. Now, there's some tactics around it. There's no doubt when you have the. The speaker of the house, Mr. Johnson, who I think in the last hour said that he's for transparency in this Epstein thing. He's even for subpoenaing or allowing Gisele Maxwell to come before committee if she wants to. And you even have the leader of the Democrats in the House, Hakeem Jeffries, saying he wants the same thing. I think Ro Khanna, another prominent Democrat, was on the floor saying he wants all of this to come out. It'll be interesting. I looked at some of the polling. The only reason I looked at it is because it was fascinating to me.

[Jesse Watters]

Because you're scared.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

No, I'm not scared at all about it. Democrats. 3% of Democrats are satisfied with the outcome of the EPSTEIN thing. And 4% of Republicans. And 52% of Democrats are not satisfied. And 53% of Republicans are not. This is the issue that has united Democrats and Republicans here in the last. In the last score run. We'll see what happens if I'm Democrats and if I'm Gavin, get on that show. Show your guys. Talk the stuff. I think the way Kennedy said it was funny and right. And then talk about how the President was in Pennsylvania today, doing rightly so, doing an energy and Innovation summit. Why don't you host affordable housing summits and invite the housing secretary and the president across your state to deal with the homelessness issue. We have a measles outbreak across the country. Why don't you invite the HHS secretary to come to California and sit with you to figure out how we address that? I just think there are issues that we ought to be focused on. Once we show that we're broke, once you cuss a little bit.

[Dana Perino]

Sure.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

That you know the score of the basket, you know who got drafted first in the MNLB draft and the NFL draft. And then get to the issues because that's what people want.

[Jesse Watters]

I love that.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

I'm not afraid. I'm afraid of any of that stuff.

[Jesse Watters]

I don't think that affordable housing is what causes homelessness. You could have the cheapest housing around, they'd still be out there shooting drugs.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

But this guy Mandabe, one of the reasons he's been successful here so far in New York is that he's talked about rent being too high.

[Jesse Watters]

And that's nothing to do with homelessness.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

No, no, but I got it. But I'm saying he has A way to access this issue.

[Jesse Watters]

All right, Jesse, you are rolling your eyes.

[Dana Perino]

Well, you're saying about the Democrats with the Epstein thing, Harold, you said it was a conspiracy theory up until three days ago.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

I never said it.

[Dana Perino]

And now you want to release the conspiracy theory.

[Jesse Watters]

Who are you talking about?

[Harold Ford Jr.]

What are you talking about?

[Dana Perino]

You. I mean, you guys, not black people. I mean Democrats.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

You guys just MAGA's so divided. Don't blame it on me.

[Dana Perino]

Don't strong. You guys are singing songs. I also want to congratulate Gavin Newsom for transitioning back into a man. Now he's a gunpacking, Rogan loving f bomb dropping podcast bro. And if you listen to the whole interview, Greg, the guy says he's also anti lockdown and he's anti woke and anti pronouns and anti trans. So this guy's RuPaul. I don't know who he is, what he is, where he came from, and that's fine. He's having a little bit of a mid like crisis. We've all been through that. His slogan now is I was wrong about everything. I'm not sure how well that's gonna play as a politician. Kimberly was married to him when he was the mayor of San Francisco and she said he was never this crazy. Yeah, she said he was kind of a moderate and then went radical left and now is coming back around. He's actually de transitioning back into a man and kind of trying to run as the Joe Biden in this prime. Remember how Joe Biden was the straight white male who was not as crazy as all the rest of the lunatics? That's what he's trying to do. And I don't know if he's going to be able to pull it off. Cuban said something interesting that kind of gives away the game that her staff, Kamala's, wouldn't let her go on Rogan. That just proves she wasn't in charge of her own campaign. And it proves that if she had won the election, she wouldn't have been in charge of the country. She would have been a puppet much more than Joe Biden. Biden thought he knew stuff, remember?

[Harold Ford Jr.]

He.

[Dana Perino]

He thought he knew about foreign policy and domestic policy cuz he was old. He had experience. But Kamala knew she didn't know anything. Her staff knew she didn't know anything. And the country knew she didn't know anything. At least Gavin Newsom knows he was wrong. It might be all that he knows, but at least he knows something, that he was wrong.

[Jesse Watters]

You're trying to get him on your show. It's blatant.

[Dana Perino]

I just invite him. He said no.

[Jesse Watters]

Data. There was a poll that said that voters see the Democratic Party as weak, woke, and out of touch. Isn't that kind of how the Dems want to be seen? Like, they don't. You know, weak is the opposite of strong, meaning, you know, masculine values, law and order.

[Dana Perino]

Woke.

[Jesse Watters]

What's wrong with being woke? And out of touch means that they're just. They're not in touch. They don't want to be in touch with middle America.

[Greg Gutfeld]

They've walked away.

[Jesse Watters]

They've walked. Yes.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Yeah, they're on. They're on the coast. And they're trying to pay these rents.

[Jesse Watters]

Yes.

[Greg Gutfeld]

They're so too high. The other thing about Cuban is he says if Kamala Harris had just gone out there and cursed a lot, she would have been. She would have killed it. But what is he talking about? This is the age of authenticity. And every bit of advice to Kamala Harris from all of these people has been, do not be yourself. So I think that she has been smart to have a lower profile, but I think she's had such a lower profile that now time has passed her by. I actually think even if she does want to even run for governor of California, like, whatever, I don't care. I don't live in California. Fine. But I think that things are moved on from her. They want her to be herself, and herself is not good enough.

[Jesse Watters]

But you know what?

[Greg Gutfeld]

For the President.

[Jesse Watters]

You have given so much advice to young women everywhere. This is the best advice you could ever give somebody when they're young. Don't be yourself. You know when they say, oh, you should be yourself? Don't do it. You could be authentic later. Just don't be yourself. Nobody wants to know you when you're young.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

Georgia Ford, don't listen to Uncle Greg here.

[Dana Perino]

Be yourself, sweetheart.

[Jesse Watters]

No, you don't want somebody to be yourself at work. When you're at Starbucks and there's some, oh, I'm going to be my. No, I just want you to get my coffee. That's my point. No one wants yourself. Up next is agitators fire bullets and hurl rocks and attack facilities. Democrats love more Nazi smears at ICE agents. You know what I mean? Would you believe me when I tell you you're the king of my dreams? Please don't deceive me.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

This episode is brought to you by.

[Dana Perino]

LifeLock between two factor authentication, strong passwords and a VPN. You try to be in control of how your info is protected. But many other places also have it and they might not be as careful. That's why LifeLock monitors hundreds of millions of data points a single second for threats. If your identity is stolen, they'll fix it, guaranteed or your money back. Save up to 40% your first year. Visit lifelock.com podcast for 40% off terms apply.

[Kennedy]

See, that's a double entendre. Cold as ice and foreigner Democrats dumping more gas on the anti ice fire they started even as frontline agents face an 830% spike in violent attacks. A Rhode Island Democratic state rep just called border agents quote, Nazi Gestapo thugs following an operation that resulted in the arrest of a known ms.13 gang member. Great timing. Kids and the Looney Tunes over at MSNBC are freaking out over Alligator Alcatraz, but they can't decide to which Nazi smear to use. Watch. That is traditionally called a concentration camp or an internment camp. And I wonder about your specificity in using that language.

[Jesse Watters]

Well, I sure as hell I'm not going to use what they're calling it. They want to ethnically cleanse this country of certain types of immigrants. Because when I was in that internment camp in the Everglades, I didn't see any Europeans who overstayed their visa. I saw nothing but Latino men and Haitian men.

[Kennedy]

And if that wasn't deranged enough, the media is doling out tips on how illegals can stand their ground against masked ICE agents. When you're masked like that and people.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Don'T know who you are, someone might exercise their lawful right of self defense to protect themselves thinking they're being kidnapped. So the notion that this is for law enforcement's protection is utterly ludicrous and we need to do away with that.

[Kennedy]

They really raised their standards of attractiveness over there at msnbc.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Woo.

[Kennedy]

That was quite a panel. So Dana, there's one group, the Save America Movement, that is raising hundreds and hundreds of thousands of dollars to teach people how to stalk ICE agents. And we've seen the violence against ICE agents is up over 830%.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Right. So this week we came back from the weekend and we're talking about this still. Why? Because the Democrats are perpetuating the issue and ICE is continuing to do its job and it has the legal backing to do it. But you have this, you have ICE agents. They're asking them not to wear a mask, but then the headlines are Antifa targets ICE agents at their homes. So what is an ICE agent supposed to do? Especially let's say that your, your wife is saying Excuse me, we've got three children here. We have to protect them.

[Jesse Watters]

And.

[Greg Gutfeld]

And if they're willing to do this. Remember last week the Democrats anonymously told Axios that they were recommending someone get shot in order to perpetuate the storyline. The other thing is, I'm not exactly sure about that group, but other groups like the Democrat Project, they spend all sorts of time and effort to try to get taxpayer dollars that they can then funnel into causes that they care about. They do this on education and dei. They've done it on immigration with the teachers unions. They did it on the trans surgery stuff and the crazy opera that we heard about in Colombia. So all of those things are happening at the time when the Democrats are, I think, completely wasting their time on the immigration issue. That should matter to them. Yes. Like, are they that. Do they want to go and save the people at Alligator Alcatraz, or do they want to save the Dreamers? Pick one. Right. And go as a group and say, Mr. President, we see you for a second because we really messed up in 2017. We should have worked with you on that. We'd like to now and see if he's willing to do it. And he might be. And that way they could change the subject from defending Alligator Alcatraz detainees.

[Kennedy]

Well, they have to do something because Democrats, as we pointed out in the last segment, they are underwater in the polling. I don't think immigration is necessarily helping them. I also don't think that one of the most visible mouthpieces of leftist causes, Rachel Maddow, calling prisons concentration camps. First of all, it's not appropriate. Second of all, it's incredibly offensive to Holocaust survivors and their families, many of whom tend to be Democrat voters.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

I would agree with you. I think that Dana, and you're saying it well, Democrats, unbelievable focus on the worst is distorting any kind of ability to get to a broader, smarter immigration policy. And it's completely distracting us from the issue that is dominating politics today, which is affordability. If you look at all the races around the country and look at the races over the last year, special elections, the last six months since President Trump's been in office, they've been defined largely by cultural issues and economic issues. We are wrong on a lot of this. The transgender sports issues, which we've got to get right on for people to even listen to us, let alone take us seriously on the issues that matter to their wallets and pocketbooks, and then get to talking about affordability and what we're going to do differently. Greg, laid out a litany, enumerated three or four things where President Trump there's an opening. And instead of not capitalizing but offering answers, we're throwing flames on an issue that the president has an enormous amount of support for. Now, having said that, what the president's struggling with Kennedy, I think, is trying to figure out what are we trying to get accomplished with our immigration policies. We know we want to get the worst out of here first. We know we want to clamp down our border. And he's done an excellent job at that. But now we're trying to figure out, and I keep saying this over and over and over again because I think it's true, what is the hierarchy that we're trying to get to when we talk about deportations? There are people who've been in this country, who have lived in this country, who've worked in this country, who are entrenched in this country in so many ways and are important to our daily lives as everyday Americans who are now deporting. And the question is, is that the group, are these the people we want to deport? That's where Democrats ought to be asking the questions of instead of trying to defend the actions of people who apparently have committed the worst acts and frankly should be deported from the country.

[Kennedy]

All right, so is there a middle ground to be found here? Is there a risk for this administration that they go too far and deport too many people? And will that do damage to the movement and to the party?

[Dana Perino]

Not to the movement, not to the party. Maybe the low wage economy, but then the wages are going to go up eventually and it'll be fine. Harold, it's time to fact check you. 70% of these illegals who are getting iced either have criminal convictions, criminal charges, or a judge has ordered them deported. That's the worst. First, don't worry, be happy. No American has been deported. Not a single American has been deported unless a family member was deported and they wanted to tag along home. Not a single person has been murdered at these detention facilities and no one's been forced to work. So I also haven't seen a lot of white Europeans in these facilities because they're not the ones who have been breaking into our country. And if there are some Serbians that have expired visas, then send them to Alligator Alcatraz unless they can play ball and I'll reconsider. Harold, we had the warden of Alligator Alcatraz on the other night and he said he caught Debbie and a bunch of these other Democrats mid hoax. He said he Caught one of these Democrats holding a thermometer up to a light bulb to prove that it was overheated in there. And then he said Debbie was put into a sandwich across the room saying it was gray turkey and it was in a package so she couldn't see it. And then the guy asked for seconds. Who asks for seconds for bad turkey? These guys have no idea what they're talking about. Especially this crazy woman. She says, on the one hand, every migrant in America is terrified of ice, and on the other hand, when they get arrested by ice, they're not sure it's ice, and it might be an ICE imposter wearing an ICE hat, an ICE badge, and an ICE vest. Can't have it both ways.

[Kennedy]

Oh, you go to prison for a long, long time if you're impersonating.

[Dana Perino]

I've tried.

[Kennedy]

Especially federal people.

[Dana Perino]

I'm gonna be an ICE agent for Halloween.

[Kennedy]

All right, so, Greg, I don't know if you saw the picture of the professor at Cal State Channel Islands who was arrested for tossing a tear gas canister back at ICE agents. He tried to say it wasn't him. He went and changed his clothes. He looked like trans Borat. It was not the most scintillating and attractive picture I had ever seen. But his mugshot. He was gleeful to have been arrested and wrapped up with this, because for them, they're just exploiting a moment, you know, really, probably for their progressive social media. Should we send them to Alligator Alcatraz?

[Jesse Watters]

Yes, absolutely. I think the. The scientific definition of him is asshole. This is why the criticism doesn't matter to us when you call us Nazis, Nazi this, Nazi that. You know, I'm beginning to think they don't like us. You know what? I've said this before. We need to learn from the blacks the way they. They were able to remove the power from the N word by using it. So from now on, it's what up, my Nazi? Hey, what up, my Nazi? Hey, what's hanging my Nazi?

[Greg Gutfeld]

Nazi, please.

[Jesse Watters]

Thank God you did a hard eye there. What does it tell you, though? And I'm going to hammer this one home. The ideology that condemned the exploitation of workers from capitalism is now defending unscrupulous bosses who exploit children and women. It's incredible. I have a list. They are. They are battling people who are trying to pull children away from rapists. They also defended the Maryland dad, who was a human trafficker and a domestic abuser. They championed boys dressed up as drag queens. They champion men attacking women in sports and in private spaces. As based on their own self identity. They also defend sex trafficking of young illegal women in Queens that Zoran's beat as their right to sex work. So what does that tell you about their compassion? It isn't real. It never was real. It's only used as a cloak to hide their quest for power. They don't give a crap about women and children or else they would be cheering ICE right now. Those Nazis.

[Greg Gutfeld]

That professor is going to get tenure for this.

[Kennedy]

You will not see him in the classroom this week though.

[Dana Perino]

You will not see.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

I like that liberal organization. Cato said 93% of ICE bookends were never convicted of any violent offenses as of June 25th of this year. I'm just Cato. It's Cato.

[Dana Perino]

You can't fact check the fact checker. I'm the one fact checking.

[Jesse Watters]

Ok, you tell me.

[Greg Gutfeld]

All right.

[Kennedy]

Coming up, extra credit for tds. The nation's biggest teachers union is teaching the kids how to resist Trump.

[Greg Gutfeld]

That's next.

[Dana Perino]

I hear it all the time.

[Kennedy]

I'm Janice Dean. Join me every Sunday as I focus on stories of hope and people who are truly rays of sunshine in the their community and across the world.

[F]

Listen and follow [e-mail].

[Dana Perino]

Reading, writing and TDS. The National Education association held its big annual get together and it was Trump Resistance 101. Some of the NEA's approved business items included $3,500 to defend democracy against, quote, Trump's embrace of fascism, support for and participation in mass anti Trump protests, opposition to, ICE's, quote, kidnappings of student leaders. A Texas delegate telling the Free Press how her friend tried to discuss improving reading and writing, but was told by union members this. We don't have time for that. We've got to fight Trump. But it all makes sense when you listen to the group's DEI obsessed press president.

[Jesse Watters]

We cannot fear the future. Diversity, equity and inclusion. Say the words. Say the words. Say them. You are powerful. You are the nea. Hold your head high. Hold your head high.

[Dana Perino]

I got to take my earpiece out for that. Sorry, Dana, they don't have time for reading, writing and arithmetic.

[Greg Gutfeld]

No, the only the intro is wrong. It's not reading, writing, arithmetic. It's only politics. They found a billion dollars was given to the Education Department in order to advance dei. Meanwhile, you can go to any major city and some rural areas too, and just say, how's your reading and writing? K through 12? Are you hitting grade level? No. And we should celebrate states like Mississippi and Alabama and Sarah Huckabee Sanders and Arkansas turning things around because guess what? You go back to phonics and flashcards and people learn to read and write. Met this guy the other day.

[Jesse Watters]

Oh, good for you.

[Dana Perino]

Does Peter know?

[Greg Gutfeld]

Yeah, I told him the story and I was with Kate and we were waiting and these three black guys are talking and I'm like, oh, that's so interesting that they have these thoughts on.

[Dana Perino]

The you and Kate and three black guys. Keep going.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Okay, so sounds like a brum night. I said, do you mind if I ask where you get your news? Because he had really interesting opinions. And he goes, oh, I didn't learn to read till I was 25. And then I did 15. I did 15 to life. He got 15 to life and he only did 20. Anyway, my point is this.

[Jesse Watters]

That's a great story.

[Greg Gutfeld]

It is a good story. The whole story is really good. My point is this. He didn't read till he was 25. The guy was super smart and super intelligent. And if you go to any of these prisons around here, you'll find that most of the people that are in there cannot read. And they couldn't read way back when, but they got passed along or they dropped out. And then how are you going to feed your family? How are you going to participate in society? You're probably going to commit crimes. You're going to end up in jail. So to me, when, when all of these people come out like Bernie Sanders, those guys like, we need free college. What you. Not until you Fix K through 12 education and then we can talk about free college.

[Dana Perino]

You know who else couldn't read in prison? Greg.

[Jesse Watters]

Who?

[Dana Perino]

Epstein.

[Jesse Watters]

Oh, wow.

[Dana Perino]

Because he died.

[Jesse Watters]

Wow. Yeah, he was just. How too busy hanging out. Look, you know, this is not good when you, when you hear what they're saying about politics is more important than reading, writing and function. I worry about the kids. Did you know, Dana, that the public high school students are already looting at the fourth grade level? It's terrible. If you're a parent, you should be concerned because you're sending your students to be politically indoctrinated. All you have to think about is how quickly the non binary fad, the rainbow rhetoric and the trans ideology kind of like hysteria spread. Part of it was the Internet, but all of it was teachers as well who had their parents on their back feet when Billy came home and said he was Bonnie. And what did the teachers demand? Don't tell your parents that you're non binary. So this is something that you see happening, but what these teachers don't understand when they get all amped, they're simply the opposite of the crew cut right wing teacher of the 1960s. Trumpet's massively popular because students are rebelling against these angry, humorless hectoring tools. You know, it's a cultural flip. It's the Never Trumpers with a backpack and the buttons quoting Rachel Maddow that is creating the Trump fan base in classrooms.

[Dana Perino]

Why didn't Kamala Harris talk about education during this campaign?

[Harold Ford Jr.]

She should have talked more about it. I have a slightly different opinion about not what they said. I agree with everything. The way you guys have characterized what the teachers, the union head, which she was saying. I don't quite understand what that was about and I'm opposed to what I think it's about. But I think the thing that's happened most consequential for education in the last 24 hours is the Supreme Court saying that President Trump can deconstruct and fire people at the Department of Education. I happen to disagree with that. As I've said on this show many times, and I've faced some ire from some of our viewers. I happen to think there should be far more involvement of the federal government in our education system for two reasons. First, education is largely local and state function and responsibility. Two, it's not a partisan issue. But three, it's a national disgrace. How our kids perform in schools, the Federal component of K12 education is minuscule compared to what state and local governments put into it. And when you consider the most consequential decision, which is curriculum, meaning math and science and English and art and theater and music and sports, all of those decisions are made at the local level. And guess what? They suck. Dana talked about two or three states that have seen some improvements. In Mississippi, certainly with the help of their governor and others, including some leading business people, they've done some amazing things. But their students, those kids still aren't learning at the levels they should be learning. What schools work most in most states and cities? Private schools. Why? Because there's a different governance around it, their parents involved, and frankly, they operate under a different system. We should do the same thing for public schools. In 1980, the Nation released its Nation at Risk study and said that our kids, we were failing our kids all across the country in urban and rural areas. That was 45 years ago. And it has not gotten materially better. The only president that really addressed this in a serious way was your boss. When he passed a no Child Left Behind Act, a lot of what he did was smart but we've got to continue to build and build and build. And right now we are failing kids. Which is why I think destroying the Department of education is the wrong thing to do. Reconstruct it and let them get more involved in our kids education.

[Dana Perino]

Your eyes look like they're popping out of your head, Kennedy.

[Kennedy]

I mean I have, I have so many problems with this. My older daughter, when she was at a New York City public high school, they had super seniors and were super seniors. Kids who were really smart and proficient at math and reading. No, they were 20 year olds who just kept going back to school. My daughter, when she was 14 years old, before the pandemic, she was in an algebra with a 20 year old with a beard. So yes, these private schools do better. You know why? Because parents are involved. Because they can exercise school choice. Because it is not run by a uni party. Fascist states like the NEA is campaigning for. That's all they want. They want Democrats to run teachers unions. They get $380 million a year from their membership and they give it to Democrats and they have failed. They're the ones who have failed in the big Democrat run cities, New Louisiana, D.C. they send more and more money year after year. Price per pupil and test scores go down, literacy rates go down. They are incapable of competing on the global stage. So we want one system to fail them so they can go to prison so another system can fail them. And you hope that there are good Samaritans who get ahold of them at some point and help resuscitate their dormant.

[Greg Gutfeld]

That guy said that he, that a guy, that a guy who volunteered at the prison taught him how to read when he was 25 and like taught him all the history and he, he said all the history, not just the Jim crow history.

[Jesse Watters]

Our 20 year old was an undercover.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

Control education one jump street.

[Kennedy]

I'm sure that, I'm sure that, I'm sure was Richard Greco.

[Jesse Watters]

Greg, that's probably what Richard Greco is, a great American.

[Dana Perino]

No one disagrees with that Greg.

[Jesse Watters]

My, my Nazi.

[Dana Perino]

We may have finally found the cure for tds.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

Just my imagination once again.

[Jesse Watters]

Isolated, depressed.

[F]

And it's the Will Kane Show. Watch it live at noon Eastern Monday through Thursday on foxnews.com or on the Fox News YouTube channel. And don't miss a show. Get the podcast five days a week at foxnewspodcasts.com or wherever you download your favorite podcasts.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Well, talk about a family feud. A former Obama speechwriter with an op ed in the New York Times he said, this is it, time to stop snubbing my right wing family. Well, apparently he felt a civic duty to be rude to his brother in law because the guy liked Joe Rogan and didn't get a COVID vaccine shot. Ultimately, though, he had a change of heart after surfing with his brother in law. But the brother in law invited him to surf. The lesson learned, quote, ostracizing him wouldn't have altered his behavior and. And it would have made my own life worse. Kennedy, I want to add this to this. I Met Matt in 2012 and it was immediately clear we had nothing in common. He lifted weights to death metal. I jogged a Sondheim. How do you jog to Sondheim? Very jauntily.

[Jesse Watters]

You skip.

[Greg Gutfeld]

What do you think of this?

[Kennedy]

So I had him on my podcast. The writer's name is David Litt. I was very skeptical because he was an Obama speechwriter. He was so funny and he was so conversational. I loved his book It's Only Drowning, and I was ready to hate it. I love surfing. It made me love surfing so much more because it brought them together. And the entire thing is an admission that he was an annoying snob. And then he, throughout the book, takes aim at himself, he makes fun of himself, he decimates himself, which in such an entertaining way. And then he comes to the realization that we have to do so much better as family members and as a society to overcome these chasms instead of just judging people and othering them.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Well, maybe that's. Maybe that is something. I think you've talked about this, that they have to come to the realization that they've lost out, they've lost.

[Jesse Watters]

I don't think they understand conservatives, which is the more you compel, the more we rebel. So if you want us to agree with your perspective that that makes us even more resistant, but I asked a simple question of Kennedy last night and she refused to answer it. No, I made that up. Would this article have been written if the Democrats had won? Right. So this guy is kind of like a chick who dumps you and then out of the blue calls you up now that you won the lottery, or you have two TV hit shows shout out to you, Deborah. But the fact is, his side lost. Trump's kicking ass. It's like, well, maybe I should do this, I don't know. And he makes this arrogant mistake that we all want you to reopen the relationship. Oh, isn't it nice of you? He thinks he's the center of this universe. What if his brother in law didn't even notice you were gone. Didn't even think about you. But the way that's the biggest terror.

[Greg Gutfeld]

The way I read it, and Kenny, correct me if I'm wrong, Harold, is that it was the brother in law who was shunned, who invited him to go surfing again because he probably didn't even notice it. Also because he was like, dude, politics isn't that deep.

[Jesse Watters]

But he didn't notice he was shunned.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

Maybe so. I agree with everything you guys have said. I think it spells out. There's another thing it spells too, that at the core of our politics today, first of all, there's so many other reasons to dislike family. Politics should be the last thing at a dinner. What you should be talking about. Politics has been reduced to name calling and to blaming and to yelling and to screaming. So people just assume if you're in another party, if I'm in this party, in that party. We make these assumptions about each other. They're just so wrong. I'm boring. I love to sit at dinner tables at Thanksgiving and Christmas and give out books for Christmas and Thanksgiving.

[Jesse Watters]

You do.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

And have people and then share why I thought the book was a good thing and then offer. Expect them to respond back.

[Jesse Watters]

Harold, I still have that mind comp.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

Expect people to respond. I have my kids at my dinners. We read speeches from FDR and Reagan and Kennedy and getting.

[Kennedy]

Thank you.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

You Kennedy and the president Kennedy. I mean, it's a wonderful thing. And then if you're gonna hate somebody in your family, do it for a legitimate reason, not in politics.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Jesse, did you send this article to anybody today?

[Dana Perino]

I mean, Harold is exactly right. He is boring. I'm gonna conduct a study. When I go to Maine on vacation with my family, I'm gonna ostracize them. They're liberals.

[Jesse Watters]

Yes.

[Dana Perino]

Let's see how they feel when I don't go to dinner with them.

[Jesse Watters]

Yes.

[Dana Perino]

They've ruined the country. They're traitorous. They've destroyed families and children. It's time they learn their lesson. Now, they might not care that I don't spend time with them. So I'll let you guys know when I come back from my trip.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Yeah.

[Kennedy]

Wait.

[Greg Gutfeld]

And the fastest is next.

[Kennedy]

Are you living with dry am Amazon.

[F]

One Medical presents Painful thoughts I've been.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

On hold to make a doctor's appointment.

[Kennedy]

For 23 minutes now. The automated voice has told me 47.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

Times that my call is very important to them. Hmm.

[Kennedy]

I'm starting to think that they don't think my call is important at all.

[F]

With Amazon One Medical 24. 7 virtual care. You'll get help fast without having to remain on the line to make an appointment. Amazon One Medical Healthcare just got less painful.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

Are you always running late? Experts say a mental health condition called guess what? Time blindness could be to blame. This condition disrupts a person's ability to estimate how long it will take to complete tasks affecting everything from daily routines to long term productivity. I hope my wife is listening to this. Kennedy, do you know people I know you don't have this condition. You know people who experience this?

[Kennedy]

I have John Wooden's Pyramid of Success. Of course I don't have this condition and no one else does either.

[Greg Gutfeld]

And you're working tv.

[Kennedy]

You can't be late. We are surrounded by clocks. We've got clocks on our phone. We all wear watches. A lot of people wear iWatches or Apple watches. You know what time it is and you can look at your watch. It's a choice. We are over diagnosed with mental illness in this country and oftentimes some of those things are things we should overcome, not wallow in and make excuses for prime time.

[Dana Perino]

Kennedy is dead wrong. We have someone with this condition at this network and he used to sit in that chair. His name was Juan Williams. The guy was never on time. Remember we used to have these meetings and was like, everyone be there by 4:30. Everyone be there by 4:30. Everyone's there at 4:30. It's like where's Juan? Where's Juan? Where is Juan? By the way, I love you Juan.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

I'm sure he appreciates that.

[Greg Gutfeld]

I don't think it's a good idea to add another condition to all the problems that people have out there. Just be on time or be late and suffer the consequences. I don't care.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

Mr. Gutthor, you seem to have the closing thought on this.

[Jesse Watters]

Look, you know I only believe in what I see. I don't see time. I mean can you see time? Can you grab it? How do you know time even exists? Maybe being time blindness is actually being able to see the world for what it is. We're the ones who are the slave to this artificial construct called time. Oh, it's 9am Is it really 9am who tells you it's 9am oh look, it's getting dark. Oh, that means it's changing in time. Who's the crazy person now?

[Dana Perino]

The Native Americans had no concept of time.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Wait, you're the most time conscious person I know.

[Jesse Watters]

I know, I'm joking. Time blindness is another way of saying unemployed. Yes, it's an excuse for your selfishness and your fault. It's like when, you know, obesity became plus size. Now being late becomes a disorder. Shut up. I wouldn't hire you in a dog's age. What does that mean?

[Harold Ford Jr.]

I don't know the closing thought there. One more thing is up next. This is Jason Chaffetz from the Jason in the House podcast.

[Dana Perino]

Join me every Monday to dive deeper into the latest political headlines and chat with remarkable guests.

[F]

Listen and follow now@fox newspodcast.com or wherever you download podcasts.

[Jesse Watters]

All right, I get to go first tonight on my show. Brian Kilmeade, Emily Compagno, Adam Hunter Kennedy. Well, three out of four aren't bad. Let's do this. In your face, Harold. You know, Harold, some people are heroes. Like Harold Chapman. This is video of him crashing his plane. Actually, he's not really a hero. He crashed his plane, but he survived. He sustained only a few scratches and bruises. His name is Harold.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

Harold want a plane tomorrow? Thank you, Greg.

[Jesse Watters]

Oh, I hope so, Dana.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Well, I don't know if this owl's name is Harold, but it kind of looked like Harold being attacked on the five. And now he just sits there. He's very stoic.

[Dana Perino]

Take it.

[Greg Gutfeld]

He's like, just in your face, Harold. He's like, okay, that's fine. I got it. I got it.

[Dana Perino]

70%.

[Jesse Watters]

Ow.

[Greg Gutfeld]

He's like, okay, whatever. He's like, I got it. And my podcast this week was with Matt Gorman. Check it out.

[Jesse Watters]

The owl says hi.

[F]

I agree with all of you birds.

[Dana Perino]

Glad to have you back around the table, Jesse. Tonight, Jesse Waters primetime. We have the ruthless podcast host. We just signed him to Fox.

[Greg Gutfeld]

So exciting.

[Dana Perino]

Good to be.

[Jesse Watters]

Is that the table with them?

[Dana Perino]

I know. I think he's just on drugs.

[Jesse Watters]

Oh, okay.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Oh, my gosh.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

Cal Raleigh, the catcher for the Seattle Mariners, won the home run Derby contest last night. But the real thing, 20 years ago, here. He's right there. Belton won out. He's leading the league in home runs coming into it. But 20 years ago, he did this video. Show this video if we got it.

[Kennedy]

Not that I'm the home run derby champ.

[Dana Perino]

Stay in the pavilion.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Lamp in the champ.

[Kennedy]

I'm the home ready derby champ.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

Congratulations to you. You and your family called the shot 20 years ago. I love it.

[Jesse Watters]

10 seconds.

[Kennedy]

Look at this Australian couple. Their wedding reception went up in flames. The flowers caught on fire and they kept dancing.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Oh, boy.

[Kennedy]

Who needs happily ever after when you have flaming lilies?

[Jesse Watters]

Did they live?

[F]

Listen to the all new Bret Bear podcast featuring Common Ground in depth talks with lawmakers from opposite sides of the aisle, along with all your Brett Bear favorites like his All Star panel and much more. Available [e-mail] or wherever you get your podcasts. Listen to the Five Ad Free on Amazon Music with your prime membership or subscribe wherever you get your podcasts.