Doc: Shooter Confessed To Roommate

Summary

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The Five

Episode: Doc: Shooter Confessed To Roommate
Date: September 16, 2025
Main Theme:
The panel discusses breaking updates and analysis on the murder of Charlie Kirk, focusing on alleged killer Tyler Robinson's court appearance, potential co-conspirators, the media’s role, political rhetoric, responses from the right and left, and the broader societal implications of political violence.

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1. Breaking News: Tyler Robinson Charged in Charlie Kirk’s Murder

Key Segments:

• [01:04] Jesse Waters details the charges against Tyler Robinson, including aggravated murder and witness tampering. Robinson confessed to his transgender roommate, texting, “I had enough of his hatred. Some hate can't be negotiated out.” Prosecutors intend to seek the death penalty.
• [01:57] Paul Morrow Kennedy highlights the DNA evidence tying Robinson to the rifle.

Notable Quotes:

• “According to prosecutors, Tyler Robinson confessed to his transgender roommate… ‘I had enough of his hatred. Some hate can't be negotiated out.’” — Jesse Waters [01:15]

Key Insights:

• Robinson's confession and communications are central to the prosecution’s case.
• Prosecutors are pressing for the death penalty, citing aggravating factors, including the presence of a child during the crime and political targeting.

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2. Court Proceedings: Emotional and Procedural Details

Key Segments:

• [03:20-15:29] Live virtual court appearance of Tyler Robinson, presided by Judge Graff. Charges are read in detail, including witness tampering, obstruction, and aggravated murder. The next hearing is set for September 29th.

Notable Quotes:

• “You have a right to an attorney. If you cannot afford one, the court can appoint an attorney to represent you.” — Judge Graff [04:31]
• “This is not an insanity case. This is not a case of mental illness based on what he is accused of.” — Katie Pavlich [18:51]

Key Insights:

• Robinson appeared “emotionless, expressionless” (Jesse Waters [15:29]).
• The state is seeking additional court orders, witness protections, and preparing discovery for the defense.

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3. Possible Co-Conspirators and Investigation Updates

Key Segments:

• [02:20] FBI Director Cash Patel hints at a broader web of involvement through Discord threads.
• [02:43] “There are a number of individuals that are currently being investigated and interrogated and a number yet to be investigated and interrogated specific to that chat room.” — Greg Gutfeld relaying investigative info.

Key Insights:

• The case may be larger than initially thought, with authorities tracking down leads from online forums possibly involving 20+ users.

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4. Political Rhetoric, Media’s Role & Societal Blame

Key Segments:

• [15:51] Greg Gutfeld criticizes the escalation of divisive rhetoric, blaming left-wing media for fostering an environment where violence is normalized against political opponents.
• [18:51] Katie Pavlich discusses the media's insufficient coverage and subtle victimization of the alleged killer. She notes selective empathy and the trend of turning perpetrators into martyrs online.
• [21:10] Mary Kathryn Ham underscores the importance of debate and the need for campuses not to silence opposing viewpoints: “Words are not violence… the only answer… is to come out and say that political violence is wrong, full stop.”

Notable Quotes:

• “He said some hatred can't be negotiated with. Well, where did that belief actually come from? … This rhetoric has been part of the Democratic media industry complex for the past decade.” — Greg Gutfeld [15:51]
• “This is demonic and they are threats to your physical safety, to your children's physical safety. And so there's nothing wrong with expelling these people from polite society.” — Jesse Waters [34:03]

Key Insights:

• The panel sees a pattern where the legacy media and some on the left allegedly excuse or downplay left-wing violence, while demonizing the right.
• Debates whether media coverage turns perpetrators into martyrs, and critiques lack of coverage for victims (e.g., Erica Kirk’s address).

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5. Responding to "Cancel Culture" & Media Hypocrisy

Key Segments:

• [28:16] The panel discusses social media firings of individuals celebrating Kirk’s murder, contrasting it with left-wing opposition to “cancel culture.”
• [29:19] Greg Gutfeld responds to Jimmy Kimmel’s false implication of a MAGA connection, critiquing the denial and projection within mainstream media figures: “You are the bad guy in the movie. You're not a defender of democracy, you're a defender of destructive delusions.”

Key Insights:

• Strong criticism of double standards—calling out media and cultural figures (Kimmel, Colbert) for hypocrisy and politicization.
• Pointed arguments that those advocating or excusing violence should be removed from influential positions (education, government).

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6. Investigating Funding, Extremist Organizations, and Solutions

Key Segments:

• [36:14] Waters and Kennedy discuss following funding trails behind extremist groups like Antifa, suggesting investigations into money laundering and support structures.
• [36:24] Kennedy argues for more aggressive legal/prosecutorial strategies targeting financial structures sustaining extremism.

Key Insights:

• The right argues that institutional scrutiny should be directed at following the money behind left-wing radical organizations.
• Calls for designating antifa-style groups as terrorist entities and using financial crimes prosecution to dismantle extremist funding.

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7. The Broader Cultural and Political Landscape

Key Segments:

• [38:55] Transition to President Trump's military actions against narco-traffickers, contrasted with past approaches to the war on drugs.
• [44:55] Brief discussion of New York Governor Kathy Hochul endorsing socialist Zoran Mandani, reflecting concerns about Democratic Party shifts further left.

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8. Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “If you designate the other side as Hitlerian or fascist, why would you negotiate with them?” — Greg Gutfeld [15:51]
• “He's not even human. This guy is an excremental byproduct of a progressive ecosystem…” — Paul Morrow Kennedy [25:38]
• “If you remove debate, the only thing that's left is violence.” — Greg Gutfeld [15:51]
• “You have a right to say Charlie Kirk deserved to die… but you don't have a right to work at this company… You are basically telling the world you're evil.” — Jesse Waters [34:03]
• “We need rational thought and critical thinking back on college campuses…” — Mary Kathryn Ham [22:35]

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9. Timestamps: Important Segments

• 01:04 — Initial summary of charges and Robinson’s confession
• 02:20 — FBI testimony and the Discord investigation
• 03:20–15:29 — Live court hearing details, reading of charges
• 15:51 — Gutfeld’s monologue on rhetoric and violence
• 18:51 — Pavlich on media coverage and the killer’s victimization
• 21:10 — Ham on debate and violence
• 23:27 — Kennedy on evidence and leveraging witness tampering
• 25:38 — Kennedy on the progressive ecosystem and motive
• 28:16 — Discussion of cancel culture and social media firings
• 29:19 — Gutfeld and panel on Kimmel, media disinformation
• 34:03 — Waters on consequences for excusing political violence
• 36:24 — Kennedy & Gutfeld on following funding to antifa-style organizations
• 38:55 — Trump and the war on drugs
• 44:55 — Discussion of NY politics and party shifts

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10. Closing Remarks & Panel Tone

• The episode is urgent, angry, and confrontational—calling for the end of rhetorical escalation and the holding of all sides accountable.
• The hosts urge justice through the courts, denounce both-sides-ism, and call for reasserting law and order as a conservative value.
• Panelists repeatedly stress that the debates over violence, political identity, and media responsibility are at a crossroads, with lasting consequences for society and political discourse.

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For listeners:
This episode offers a sweeping, raw, and sometimes graphic examination of the political and cultural dynamics surrounding the assassination of Charlie Kirk, emphasizing deep distress at how violence is rationalized or ignored in political discourse and the media. It is a must-listen for those seeking to understand the conservative perspective on recent events—and the urgent calls for reform, accountability, and a return to civil debate.

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[Jesse Waters]

Hello everybody, I'm Jesse Waters along with Paul Morrow Kennedy, Katie Pavlich and Greg Gutfeld. It's five o' clock in New York City and this is the five Fox News alert. @ any moment, the suspected killer of Charlie Kirk will appear virtually in court. Tyler Robinson facing seven charges including aggravated murder, felony discharge of a firearm and multiple counts of witness tampering and obstruction of justice. According to prosecutors, Tyler Robinson confessed to his transgender roommate that he killed Charlie Kirk, texting this quote, I had enough of his hatred. Some hate can't be negotiated out. Prosecutors will seek the death penalty. I am filing a notice of intent.

[Paul Morrow Kennedy]

To seek the death penalty.

[Jesse Waters]

DNA consistent with defendant was found on the trigger, other parts of the rifle.

[Paul Morrow Kennedy]

The fired cartridge explained that over the.

[Jesse Waters]

Last year or so, Robinson had become more political and had started to lean more to the left, becoming more pro.

[Judge Graff]

Gay and trans rights oriented.

[Jesse Waters]

But it's not over yet. FBI Director Cash Patel testifying before the Senate, hinting that others might have participated in the attack.

[Greg Gutfeld]

I see the public reports that the.

[Judge Graff]

Discord thread had as many as 20 additional users. It sounds like you're, you're trying to run down all of that to see if that's accurate.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Who else may have been on that thread, what they may have known, is that fair to say it's a lot more than that and we're running them all down.

[Judge Graff]

It's a lot more than 20?

[Greg Gutfeld]

Yes sir. There are a number of individuals that are currently being investigated and interrogated and a number yet to be investigated and interrogated specific to that chat room. So we are very much in our ongoing posture of investigation.

[Paul Morrow Kennedy]

So others could have been involved.

[Judge Graff]

Yes, sir.

[Jesse Waters]

Greg, I'm so glad this assassin didn't take his life. And that we get to see.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Absolutely.

[Jesse Waters]

From this guy and all of his other potential coconspirators.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Yeah, exactly. We. Now we, we know what's going on. When he said, oh, courts. Go ahead.

[Paul Morrow Kennedy]

All right.

[Jesse Waters]

We're going to go over to Utah where the suspected killer is facing charges.

[Judge Graff]

As a general note, no electronic usage is allowed unless pre approved. Any disruptions will be removed to the jail. Are we ready to proceed? Yes, your Honor. Calling case 251-403. 576, State of Utah versus Tyler James Robinson. Could you state your name? Tyler James Robinson. Thank you for being here, Mr. Robinson. I'm Judge Graff. Mr. Scordis.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Good afternoon, you, Honor.

[Judge Graff]

You're probably already aware of my presence or why I'm here, but if not, I am not entering an appearance. I'm not counsel on this case. I'm working with the county to get counsel assigned. But we need you to allow for. Allow for the appointment of counsel. Thank you, Mr. Scordis. It is well, I want to go through the qualifications absolutely. For indigenous scene, but that is my intent, Mr. Scordis.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Very well.

[Judge Graff]

And I thank you for being here. So, Mr. Robinson, you have a right to an attorney. If you cannot afford one, the court can appoint an attorney to represent you. I have reviewed your declaration of financial status and find that you are indigent. I'm provisionally, provisionally appointing a rule A qualified attorney to represent you on your case. Mr. Robinson. Along with their filing of their appearance of counsel, the assigned attorneys must file declarations with the court that outline their qualifications. Under Rule 8 and Rule 8C. I'm sorry? Under Rule 8B and Rule 8C for counsel appointment in a case where death may be a sentencing option, I'm ordering that those declarations be filed prior to the next hearing, which is set for September 29th at 10am Mr. Robinson, I also wish to inform you of your rights against self incrimination. Anything that you say in court today could be used against you and we want to protect your constitutional rights. Mr. Robinson, at this time you will remain in custody without bail. Mr. Scordis, is there any other points that you wish to address? No. Thank you very much. Your honor. Turning to the state. Yes, your honor. Chad Grander for the state. I'm also joined and they're listed as attendees. Ryan McBride, Lauren Hunt, David Sturgel and Chris Ballard. We are the trial team on this case. I do have a few points I'D like to bring up with the honor. With. Your honor, we have filed a pretrial protective order on behalf of Erica Kirk. We would ask the court to review that. It should be in your queue, your honor, and sign that. Thank you. I have reviewed the pretrial protective order and will be grant issuing this pretrial protective order in favor of Erica Kirk. Is there any other business that we need to address today, Council? Just for the court's information, we did file just recently, within the last few minutes, a notice of intent to seek the death penalty that was filed by Utah county attorney Jeff Gray. So that should be in the court's file. Lastly, I would just indicate to the court and to at this point, Mr. Robinson that we are prepared to collect all of the discovery in this matter and get that turned over to the defense as soon as possible. Rule 16 requires us to provide what we have relied on in charging the information in bringing these charges within five days once it's requested. So that'll be prepared to disseminate to the defense as soon as possible. Thank you, Mr. Grander. Mr. Robinson, what I also want to do is you have the right to have the charges read that you stand charged of, and I wish to read those two to you at this time. Thank you, Mr. Robinson. For count one, aggravated murder, a capital felony in violation of Utah code annotated 76. 5 202. In that on September 10, 2025, in Utah county, the defendant, Tyler James Robinson intentionally or knowingly caused the death of Charlie Kirk under the following circumstances, the defendant knowingly created a great risk of death to another individual other than Charlie Kirk and the defendant. Notice. Conviction of this offense may carry the death penalty or pursuant to Utah code 76.3.207.7, a mandatory term of imprisonment for life without parole or an indeterminate term of not less than 25 years that may be for life. Victim targeting enhancement in violation of Utah code annotated 76. 3.203.14 sub. 2. Tyler James Robinson intentionally selected Charlie Kirk because of Tyler James Robinson's belief or perception regarding Charlie Kirk's political expression. Notice. If the trier of fact finds beyond a reasonable doubt that the victim targeting enhancement applies, the sentencing judge or the board of pardons in parole shall consider the defendant's selection of the victim as an aggregating factor. Violent offense committed in the presence of a child. Aggravating factor. The sentencing judge or the board of pardons and parole shall consider as an aggravating factor in their deliberations that the Defendant committed a violent criminal offense in the presence of a child. Count two Felony discharge of a firearm causing serious bodily injury, a first degree felony in violation of Utah Code Annotated 76 11, 210, sub. 2 and 3C in that on September 10, 2025 in Utah county, the defendant Tyler James Robinson discharged a firearm in the direction of Charlie Kirk, knowing or having reason to believe that Charlie Kirk may be endangered by the discharge of the firearm and that the act caused serious bodily injury to Charlie Kirk. Victim Targeting Enhancement in violation of Utah code annotated 76 3, 4. 203.14 sub. 2. Tyler James Robinson intentionally selected Charlie Kirk because Tyler James Robinson's belief or perception regarding Charlie Kirk's political expression. Notice if the trier fact finds beyond a reasonable doubt that the victim targeting enhancement applies, the sentencing judge or the Board of Pardons and Parole shall consider the defendant's selection of the victim as an aggravating factor. Violent offense committed in the presence of a child. Aggravating Factor the sentencing judge of the Board of Pardons and Parolsha considered an aggravating factor in their deliberations that the defendant committed a violent offense in the presence of a child. Count three obstruction of justice a second degree felony in violation of Utah code annotated 768306 sub. 2 in that on September 10, 2025, in Utah county, the defendant Tyler James Robinson with intent to hinder, delay or prevent the investigation, apprehension, prosecution, conviction or pursuant to any person regarding conduct that constitutes a criminal offense, conceal or remove the firearm used to shoot Charlie Kirk and the conduct that constitutes an offense would be a capital felony or a first degree felony. Count four obstruction of justice a second degree felony in violation of Utah Code 768306 sub. 2 in that honor about September 11, 2025, in Utah county, the defendant Tyler James Robinson with an intent to hinder, delay or prevent the investigation, apprehension, prosecution, conviction or punishment of any person regarding conduct that constitutes a criminal offense, destroyed, concealed or removed the clothing he wore during the shooting and the conduct that constitutes an offense would be a capital felony or first degree felony. Count five tampering with a witness, a third degree felony in violation of Utah Code Annotated 768508 in that honor, about September 10, 2025, in Utah county, the defendant Tyler James Robinson believed that an official proceeding or investigation was pending or about to be instituted or intended to prevent an official proceeding or investigation and attempted to induce or otherwise cause his roommate to withhold testimony, information, a document or an item to wit, directing his roommate to delete incriminating text messages. Count six, tampering with a witness, a third degree felony in violation of Utah Code Annotated 76. 8. 508. In that honor, about September 11, 2025, in Utah county, the defendant, Tyler James Robinson, believed that an official proceeding or investigation was pending or about to be instituted or intended to prevent an official proceeding or investigation, and attempted to induce or otherwise cause his roommate to withhold testimony or information, to wit, directing his roommate to stay silent if the police question the roommate. Count seven, violent offense committed in the presence of a child, a class A misdemeanor, in violation of Utah code annotated 76.3.203.10, sub 2 and 76.3.203.14, sub 3, a double I in that honor. About September 10, 2025, in Utah county, the defendant, Tyler James Robinson committed criminal homicide in the physical presence of a child younger than 14 years of age with knowledge that a child was present and that may have been seen or heard. The commission of the criminal homicide victim targeting enhancement in violation of Utah code annotated 76. 3.203.14, sub 2, Tyler James Robinson intentionally selected Charlie Kirk because of Tyler James Robinson's belief or perception regarding Charlie Kirk's political expression. That concludes, reading the information, Mr. Robinson. This case is set for September 29th at 10am it will be a waiver hearing, and I will be the judge assigned to this case. Mr. Robinson, I invite you to join us at that time. Is there anything further, counsel? No, you're. We'll have counsel appointed by then. Thank you, Mr. Grander. Anything further? One item, just for clarification, your honor. The Hearing on the 29th, is that in person or WebEx? Thank you. That is a great question. It will be via WebEx. Okay. Thank you, judge. All right. I want to thank all parties for being here. And this concludes this hearing at this time. Court is in recess.

[Jesse Waters]

So that was Mr. Robinson standing there, emotionless, expressionless. You can see the face of evil as he's hearing these charges read against him. Aggravated murder, obstruction of justice, witness tampering, and the death penalty is an option. Greg, you were saying it's so good for the country to see how this proceeds in the courtroom.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Yeah, and this is going to be a learning experience, not just for the people who saw this coming, but for the people who have to reconcile their role in this. You know, he said some hatred can't be negotiated with. Well, where did that belief actually come from? It sounds really familiar, you know, if you designate the other side as Hitlerian or fascist, why would you negotiate with them? We said that many times. This rhetoric has been part of the Democratic media industry complex for the past decade. They believe that they didn't have to debate us because we were deplorable. If you remove or irredeemable. If you remove debate, the only thing that's left is violence. It's the most regressive act you can imagine. This was the product of mass hysteria that then cemented into a belief and we need to end it. We can't let another one of these things happen. And that means confronting the people that actually still believe this. I think you do need the death penalty for this because this is. Could be a sanctioned evil. You see people treating Luigi like a folk hero. Why does that happen? It could happen again. We need mutually assured destruction. If you take somebody's life, we're going to take yours. And this is. This is the time for it. I also. There's a. There's an amazing contrast here that gets rid of the both sides argument. After Floyd, you had. You had sanctioned riots for three months. You had dozens dead after this. You had vigils. You have mourning grief and justice. You know, we don't label people evil and then sanction their death. You know, our responses through the courts and by the law, everything flows from that. Conservatives and Republicans have been called square forever because we're so hokey about law. Why didn't we riot? Because we don't like doing that. We inherently believe in law and order, and we expect that in others. So this is the right way to do that. I just want to end on this. His rhetoric, which is derived from the Democrats, has done the Democrats irreparable damage by exempting them from debate. They never had to prove the validity of their ideas. All they had to do was implement them, watch them fail, and then demonize the critics. Now they've reached the end point. This is the end point. They have demonized to a point where an innocent, brilliant man died. But now they also have no policies because they never had to debate. They never had to prove their worth. They have no ideas. They have no meaning. They have no value. They're a soulless hole after relying on this demonizing rhetoric to carry the load of their part party. Without it, it's just an empty abyss.

[Jesse Waters]

It'd be interesting, Katie, to see how the media covers this trial or if they cover it at all. Friday night, they didn't even air Erica Kirk's address to the country.

[Katie Pavlich]

Yeah. They're not covering it well already. It's very difficult to watch and look at this person who is not only an alleged murderer, but who is also a thief. This is allegedly the person who stole a husband and a father from Erica Kirk from their children, and he stole Charlie from his friends and from the country. And it's very clear, watching him and looking at the text messages, that he knew exactly what he was doing. This is not an insanity case. This is not a case of mental illness based on what he is accused of. And the messages we've seen on Discord and the text messages with his roommate, who was also his trans lover, talking about how he was carving, engraving bullets. Which brings up another question. I'm sure Paul can talk about this with the obstruction issue and what his roommate and trans lover actually knew about what his plans were. But in terms of your question about the media, we're already seeing, and we've seen this since this happened almost a week ago now, this victimization of the killer, that he somehow had something in his life that justified this, that he didn't like what Charlie Kirk stood for because Charlie was too hateful in his debate on college campuses. And therefore maybe he. He was somehow justified in taking his life. And you saw today, even ABC calling the text messages between this guy and his roommate trans lover touching, because there was some concern about what might happen to him after he had murdered, allegedly Charlie Kirk in front of his family and the entire world. And so you are seeing this idea of the media turning him into a murder. Utah does have the death penalty. They also have a firing squad. And he's not confessing, which means this could take a long time. And you may see him get the Luigi treatment where he has thousands of people online and showing up in person, making this guy the martyr rather than the family man and good American who he stole from the the rest of us. So it's their time to make a decision about whether they want to report this honestly or whether they want to turn a monster like this into someone who deserves some kind of praise and sympathy.

[Paul Morrow Kennedy]

Kennedy.

[Mary Kathryn Ham]

Yeah. And to Katie's point, you can see. You can just see the people who've already tried to justify this heinous act. You can just see them getting together to try and raise money for him and try and crowdsource for him to make sure that he's got defense lawyers. And it's reprehensible because the only answer right now is not people in the media or people on social media or professors or teachers. Falling all over themselves to justify this assassination. The only answer is to come out and say that political violence is wrong, full stop, and we're words are not violence. You know, you talk about debate, Greg, and how the left has an allergy to debate, and it makes you realize just how powerful the debate was. And that tactic was that Charlie Kirk employed on college campuses and how incredibly necessary that was to make sure that young people there who were being radicalized, who were being propagandized at school, certain colleges in the country, that at least they had access to ideas. And he was smart about it because he empowered them. He didn't talk at them, he gave them a microphone and invited them to challenge him because they wouldn't debate in political form. So he had to take the debate to them. And what I truly hope is that college campuses don't act in cowardice and shut down conservative debate and conservative voices and libertarian voices on college campuses, but they welcome it. Because talking about things in the way Charlie Crook illustrated is the only way to truly stop right now this violence, this tenor, this climate, and move towards something that looks more like desperately needed rationalization, irrationality, I should say. Well, we've had enough rationalization. We need rational thought and critical thinking back on college campuses in debate and in society.

[Jesse Waters]

We sure do. Paul, you heard a lot of those charges read and we have seen a lot of evidence so far, especially these communications between him and his trans boyfriend.

[Paul Morrow Kennedy]

Yeah. So what the prosecutor did there. Normally in New York, it would be an indictment. Federally, it would be an indictment. This is an information. But I bring it up just because this is what would be called a speaking indictment. And why does that matter? Because it's a situation where you lay out a lot of the facts, facts as you're going to allege them. So you're not just impugning the accused, but you're putting out facts that are known to you that are going to be the basis of your case. In this case. They chose to do that, in my opinion, because they wanted to tamp down some of the lunacy that we're all seeing going around online relative to conspiracy, conspiracy theories, who he was. This guy is actually a right winger, blah, blah, very clever. Clearly he was putting out where this guy was coming from. I think we can put to bed any questions about motive at this point. A couple other things that jumped out at me. The charging of the potential witness, tampering and the destruction of evidence. That's leverage over the roommate. Because if you remember, in the initial thing we saw this Morning when the prosecutor gave the hearing, the, the press conference talked about the fact that the note was under the dashboard and the police were able to retrieve a photograph of the note. My understanding is they don't have the note. Where the note go. Well, who would have destroyed it? Likely to roommate. Right. So you're starting to see some of the things, some of the contours of what's going on here. The investigators want that roommate on their side. They want that person right where that person is right now, which is don't charge me. I'll tell you whatever you want to know. And that seems pretty clear from the conversations, the text messages that we've seen. So a lot of that now has been clarified by that press conference. And now as of course by the, by this whole thing here where we got the official charges which say that it's aggravated murder because he put others in danger other than Charlie. The basis of that is going to be a long range shot going to hit somebody else all or, and I, you know, forgive me for being graphic here, but the round at that, at that short a distance a high powered round likely goes through. My understanding is that's exactly what happened. That's not going to be hard to hold up. Aggravated murder is going to go. Let me just close with one other thing that jumped out of me again, trying to tease out some subtleties here. The judge called him indigent.

[Judge Graff]

All right.

[Paul Morrow Kennedy]

If you caught that. Right. All right, I want to know what this guy, how he was keeping heart and soul together. All right. He's living with an aspiring gamer who's transitioning. Right. Which costs. That's a lot of money, by the way. That's all kinds of hormone treatments, all this other stuff. He's going to school. Let me ask, are there student loans? Would anybody be shocked to find out that they have $200,000 in student loans and that's how they're managing to live at home doing nothing more than plugging themselves into the Internet, into a progressive ecosystem that creates this kind of stuff. You know, this is not that fringe when you consider they always. The left's going to come back with, oh, Donald Trump. Donald Trump says outrageous things. Donald Trump doesn't advocate for killing anybody. Last I checked, the guy who almost became the vice president Waltz literally said after two attempts on Donald Trump's life, oh, I woke up today, he's still alive. Huh. Something to that effect. You know, this is far more inside the mainstream, the Democratic Party than anything on the right. So the both sides of them doesn't work. And to me, this guy, he's not even human. This guy is an excremental byproduct of a progressive ecosystem that has been countenanced and funded by some of the worst enemies of the American experiment.

[Mary Kathryn Ham]

In some parts of the country, they call him a dingleberry. All right, Jesse. Very good. Well, just moments ago, the suspected killer of Charlie Kirk, formerly charged with aggravated murder and six other counts. Now, unfortunately, some on the left continue to cheer the killing. FBI Director Cash Patel and Senator Cory Booker. It hasn't been about him, so he made it about himself. Getting into a shouting match over the rise of the violent rhetoric. Watch.

[Greg Gutfeld]

That rant of false information does not bring this country together. If you want to work on bringing this country, it's my time, not yours. My God.

[Jesse Waters]

My God.

[Greg Gutfeld]

If you want to talk about fighting this country, it is I follow you on your social media posts that tear my country apart. You better try all you want in this country.

[Judge Graff]

Sir.

[Greg Gutfeld]

You're over committee.

[Judge Graff]

Sir.

[Greg Gutfeld]

You don't tell me my time is over.

[Judge Graff]

The people of New Jersey tell me.

[Greg Gutfeld]

What my time is.

[Jesse Waters]

You can't lecture me.

[Greg Gutfeld]

My time's over. You may be the charge.

[Judge Graff]

Mr. Chairman.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Not afraid of.

[Mary Kathryn Ham]

Ooh, Tough guy. And as numerous workers get fired for posting onto social media disgusting celebrations of the murder of Charlie Kirk, some folks in the media are now suddenly worried about cancel culture. Watch this.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Most of these people are not public figures.

[Judge Graff]

They were anonymous until a few days ago, when this conservative campaign organized online.

[Jesse Waters]

Targeting people that it says are attacking Kirk. Look, this is a new form of cancel culture. This does seem to be turning into.

[Greg Gutfeld]

A very aggressive attempt to purge not just, you know, government officials, specifically people who work in education, who work in.

[Judge Graff]

Health care, who work in government.

[Greg Gutfeld]

It's already getting a little bit out of hand.

[Katie Pavlich]

Yeah.

[Mary Kathryn Ham]

Ooh, smell his beard from here. Nasty. And this is a new low. Last night, Jimmy Kimmel implied the suspected killer of Charlie Kirk was maga.

[Greg Gutfeld]

We hit some new lows over the.

[Paul Morrow Kennedy]

Weekend with the MAGA gang desperately trying.

[Greg Gutfeld]

To characterize this kid who murdered Charlie.

[Paul Morrow Kennedy]

Kirk as anything other than one of them and doing everything they can to.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Score political points from it.

[Mary Kathryn Ham]

The guy who used to watch women bounce on trampolines, Greg, has turned into a laughable political pundit. What did you make of Jimmy Kimmel's comments?

[Greg Gutfeld]

Well, I. He didn't imply it. He said it. I might have to watch Kimmel tonight to see what he has to say about this, because if he doesn't address what he did, he's done. I mean, this is a great case study, though, of cognitive dissonance. You know, how can such a smart, successful man be so wrong? How can he live in this kind of denial? Because he knows he's wrong. And if you strip that away, what's left? If you wrestle him away from this delusion and that he stuck with for years about Trump supporters, about Trump, about Republicans in general, what's left? What's underneath that? The realization that you are the bad guy in the movie. You're not a defender of democracy, you're a defender of destructive delusions. I mean, hate to tell you, buddy, but the guy who shot and killed Charlie Kirk was more likely a fan of yours than he was in. In mag. I think the hardest part is getting people to acknowledge their role in this brainwash. But once you get past that denial, you're left with something that nobody wants to deal with. And I think what we do as conservatives and libertarians and in the right is you set an example. You know, you got to offer a way out for these people that are on that side who are sick and tired of feeling miserable under the thrall of this mental poison that Paul mentioned. You know, when you go to turning point events, how could you not want what they have? They're, they're happy, they're, they're joyful, and they're impressive. Lastly, about this, the stealth or thing. This is rich coming from a network that sent people after Trump supporters down to their mobile homes to to out them. They had no problems with cancel culture. This is not relying on the muscle of media. These are, this is an organic thing, just exposing what they are saying to their employees and their employers. And their employees have every right. So the point is, I go back to that phrase, mutually assured destruction. You know, we want you to stop doing this to us, so we're giving you a dose of your medicine and you're going to take it.

[Mary Kathryn Ham]

All right, so obviously, Stephen Colbert, his show was canceled. He's only going to be on for a few more months. He was awarded a Primetime Emmy on Sunday night. Do you think abc, looking at this and seeing MSNBC fire Matthew Dowd, is it easier for them to pull the plug on someone like Jimmy Kimmel? Given the political and media environment we're.

[Katie Pavlich]

In right now, it's certainly easier for them to give an opportunity to walk it back or to try and clarify exactly what he meant. And more importantly, to tell the truth about what actually occurred here. This comes down to the typical leftist tactic of never wanting to Take responsibility for anything. They gin up all of this foment infoment, all of this narrative, and now all of a sudden something horrific has happened and it's their guy. And they want to say, oh no, it's a MAGA guy, which is not true. It's a lie. And they've done this time after time with violent cases after violent cases. And when it, when it doesn't suit their narrative to try and lie and say it's someone from the right, they justify it. Just like they justified $2 billion worth of rioting, damage and murder of police officers in the summer of 2020. So they are masters of projection when they say it's, it's the conservatives, the right wings, you know, political ecosphere doing this, they're actually talking about themselves. They're holding up a mirror and they don't like what they see. And instead of just taking some responsibility and saying, how can we prevent this from happening again, we have a sick problem inside the left. The data proves it out. Polling after polling shows that a significant number of people on the left justify political violence. Not just getting a little violent by destroying property, but by murdering those who they disagree with. And we've seen this, this, this occur.

[Mary Kathryn Ham]

Yeah.

[Katie Pavlich]

So they're going to have to figure it out, but they're lying about what's actually going on.

[Mary Kathryn Ham]

All right, but you have a large number of younger people, Jesse, who they watch Jimmy Kimmel, maybe they watch a clip on Tik Tok and they believe that this alleged assassin was in fact a member of the MAGA movement. You know, and those are the same people who feel that political violence is justified. It is a 4 to 1 margin. Liberals to conservatives who say that it is okay to either torture Tesla dealership, you know, possibly injure or kill Elon Musk or Donald Trump, or to harm or kill someone that you politically disagree with. How do you change that?

[Jesse Waters]

Well, you're seeing a massive disinformation campaign run by the legacy media to try to detach themselves from this killer, and it's not working. We expose it immediately and it's been debunked. And they're never going to get away with any of this stuff anymore. They are over in terms of people. You have a right to say Charlie Kirk deserved to die. You have a right to say you're glad he died, but you don't have a right to work at this company. You don't have a right to teach my kids. You don't have a right to serve in government. You are basically telling the world you're evil. You are telling the world you can't be trusted. You are telling the world you are comfortable with cold blooded killing. Now, do you want someone like that sitting next to you in the office? If CNN had a producer after 9, 11 that was going around saying, yep, the chickens have come home to roosters, you think he'd last one day at that office? What about Irina, the Ukrainian? Could you say she had it coming, glad she died or I'm so glad Epstein got a hold of all these girls, thank goodness. Or you know what? The Palisades fire, that should have burned more. It's the same thing. And you would never tolerate that kind of lack of humanity with people that you are spending close to proximity with because who knows what else they're capable of. This is demonic and they are threats to your physical safety, to your children's physical safety. And so there's nothing wrong with expelling these people from polite society. They should be banished. They should be punished and they should be sanctioned. Evil must be confronted. Now the Department of Justice can take action when it comes to Antifa. Where they get the body armor from? Who's paying for all these gas masks that are being shipped in caseloads to these riots in Los Angeles. Ever think of where Ryan Roof got all that money to get all those computers, phones and rifles? And how he afforded to fly all across the world to Ukraine? How he afforded to live in Ukraine for all that time? Follow the money. And the left scared that we're going to follow the money because they're afraid of what we might find.

[Mary Kathryn Ham]

All right. And you know, to that point, Antifa being designated as a terrorist organization, what is the potential backlash? And is that a sound idea for this administration?

[Paul Morrow Kennedy]

It is. And the problem here is that it's a little bit institutional. Nobody wants to make those cases. Why? Because they're money cases, as Jesse is saying. Right. And the statutes there, they're not sexy. This is not cinematic police work.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Right.

[Paul Morrow Kennedy]

It's going to be money. Money laundering, tax charges, really dull stuff like that. Who wins football games. It's not necessarily the quarterback run all over the place with the highlight reels. It's in the trenches, right? That's who wins the front line. That's where you win or lose the money is the front line. You know that there are guys who live in Shanghai, American citizens who fund the code. The co founder of Code Pink was, is married to a guy named Roy Singh, lives in Shanghai. He's a devout Maoist. His niece is the Head of Jews from Dani. The money's flying all over the place. We don't follow any of it. You're telling me all of this stuff is legitimate? All of this money is accounted for. They're paying the taxes on all of this. All of this stuff is being funded by naive billionaires, the wives of naive billionaires who have since been divorced. I won't say any names. And it flies all over the place. What you need, remember they wanted to hire all those IRS agents and everybody had a stroke. Hired them. But don't point them at us because most of us are paying our taxes. Point them at this ecosystem that has caused our campuses to erupt, that fund this kind of crap that we're seeing relative to Charlie because the right doesn't have that ecosystem. We all know that. You start a right leaning foundation, right now you're going to be out on Broadway with a cup in your hand. You're not going to get this kind of money. So this is where you got to go. They're not sexy cases, but this is where you got to do it.

[Greg Gutfeld]

But you know what is cinematic and sexy? A love struck former Mormon falls in love with a trans male. This is American Crime Story. It's a Netflix show. Right. It's, it's a cross between Romeo and Juliet and Neil Jordan's Mona Lisa with Natural Born Killers thrown into it. That's what you're going to see because that's what Hollywood will do.

[Paul Morrow Kennedy]

That's right. Yep.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Barf.

[Mary Kathryn Ham]

Up next, President Trump sinks another narco ship. Stay with us.

[Paul Morrow Kennedy]

Foreign.

[Jesse Waters]

I'm Guy Benson in for Dana Perenno. This week on Perennial on politics. I'm joined by Fox News contributor, outkick columnist and host of the Getting Hammered podcast, Mary Kathryn Ham. My dear friend.

[Paul Morrow Kennedy]

Listen and follow [e-mail] Some of it's.

[Jesse Waters]

Magic, some of it's tragic, but I have good life all the way.

[Katie Pavlich]

Well, it's a bad time to poison Americans. President Trump announcing that three narco terrorists were killed during a second US Military strike on a Venezuelan based drug trafficking boat operating in international waters. 47 Putting the cartels on notice.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Stop sending trend Narragua into the United States.

[Judge Graff]

Stop sending drugs into the United States.

[Paul Morrow Kennedy]

We knocked off actually three boats, not two.

[Jesse Waters]

But you saw two.

[Paul Morrow Kennedy]

And the problem is there are very.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Few boats out on the water. There are not a lot of boats out on the water. I can't imagine why.

[Paul Morrow Kennedy]

Not even fishing goats.

[Greg Gutfeld]

There's nobody, nobody wants to go take a fish.

[Jesse Waters]

So it's one of those things.

[Katie Pavlich]

So, Jesse, cartels don't even want to fish right now. They're so scared.

[Jesse Waters]

So in the 70s and 80s, the CIA had a very clandestine program where they would go up in airplanes and shoot suspected drug planes out of the sky in Latin America. And they had a rigorous checklist that was drawn up by national security lawyers. You had to buzz the plane, you had to try to make content. You had to go through all these things before you shot it out of the sky. And the CIA pilots followed it at first, and then they just stopped following it, and they just shot these things out of the sky until plane went down and one of the guys goes to his copilot. The worst possible thing has just happened. We just shot down a plane full of nuns. And so there was huge fallout in Washington. Everybody held hearings, there was investigations. Some of the CIA agents almost got brought up in charges, but it didn't happen that way. Now, fast forward to today. The rules of engagement have changed. Donald Trump is super transparent. It's not in the shadows anymore. The Department of Defense is knocking these guys out of the water. This time. I'm sure they have the same rigorous checklists, and I'm sure Pistol Pete Hegseth, Department of War is following them to the T. But it shows everybody, especially the narcos, that we're not playing games anymore and it's scaring them. And that's why there's not a lot of traffic out in the Caribbean anymore. And the American people, who have seen a lot of their brothers and sisters pass away from overdoses, are very refreshed and invigorated by the war on drugs. And for the first time, we're now going on offense for a change.

[Katie Pavlich]

Yeah, everyone I know from middle America is loving all of this.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Greg.

[Katie Pavlich]

This is certainly a different way to say don't.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Yeah, there are big bags of cocaine in the ocean floating around. I can only hope Hunter doesn't take up boating. But again, adults are in charge. These people that are being taken out are not good people. Again, everything Trump does is within a very clear frame. We go after the bad guys, not people we disagree with. None of this is driven by emotion or ideology, just laws and facts. They're drug traffickers. We have to get rid of them because they're killing Americans. They're being hunted. Not our political adversaries, actual drug traffickers. You know, these are the people that Democrats would never call deplorable. But God forbid you dead name a trans. So we, I think we are easy to Figure out, you know, we are open about our love for law and order. We don't have to pretend that we're something else. We don't have to virtue signal and say, oh, we don't have to like cloth clothes, our clothes dress ourselves in empathy or compat. This is what we do. There's no rationalizing. We're telling you what it is.

[Katie Pavlich]

Kennedy.

[Mary Kathryn Ham]

I don't like it. I don't like it because the nuns, because all it takes is one fishing boat with a broken radio or people who don't speak English and you're killing innocent civilians. And I do not like that the war on drugs failed the first time around. Things can go very badly here. We have not properly addressed demand in this country. That has not gone away. That is one of the reasons that the cartels proliferated during and after the war on drugs. So we do have to address demand in this country. We do have to address why do people, especially kids in this country, want to put things in their body they know can kill them. It is terrifying. And instead we're doing it wrong because we are, you know, we're giving people heroin to shoot up instead of taking people who need the most mental health treatment and who need the most drug treatment and getting them into facilities which can extend their lives and make them better. So, you know, I do agree with Rand Paul here that if there are people we want to go after, instead of just killing them without any due process, put them on trial and, you know, if they get tried in a state where they do have the death penalty, then let due process play out.

[Paul Morrow Kennedy]

Paul, real quick, I would say a couple things. First of all, these aren't overdoses that we are losing 100,000Americans to every year, the poisonings, all right? Because very few people are actually taking fentanyl. They're taking other stuff that's been cut with fentanyl to make it more powerful. Secondly, real quick, where's Congress? Because while we have the debate and it's going to happen legalistically, you're right about whether or not we can do that, which is used at Department of War to just essentially eliminate these guys, Congress can pass an AUMF, just like after 9, 11, and authorize the use of military force against these guys now that they're designated. I expected that's where it was going to go. We have Congress. Why aren't we doing it? Last, real quick, this is the Trump Doctrine. This is an attenuation, a continuation of the Monroe Doctrine I've talked about before. The big dog is Cuba. He wants to flip Venezuela, he wants to flip Cuba, and he wants China out of Latin America. He's the first guy to stand up to that.

[Katie Pavlich]

All right, up next, Kathy, the comrade endorses socialists. Zoran Mandani.

[Judge Graff]

Are you living with dry?

[Greg Gutfeld]

A Ford was built on the belief.

[Paul Morrow Kennedy]

That the world doesn't get to decide.

[Greg Gutfeld]

What you're capable of.

[Judge Graff]

You do.

[Greg Gutfeld]

So ask yourself, can you or can't you? Can you load up a Ford F150 and build your dream with sweat and steel? Can you chase thrills and conquer curves in a Mustang? Can you take a Bronco to where the map ends and adventure begins? Whether you think you can or think you can't, you're right. Ready, set, forward. I like it. The commies are taking over the dams. Governor Kathy Hochul, endorsing socialist O ran in the NYC mayor's race.

[Mary Kathryn Ham]

I've made it very clear that we have differences. I do not agree with many of his views. I disagree with many statements and I've said that. But also I believe that we need someone who's going to be open minded and optimistic.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Jesse, even the sign language lady was like, what? By the way, cute. But anyway, go ahead.

[Jesse Waters]

Yeah, I mean, I don't blame young Democrats for flocking to Mondame. If you grew up with Schumer and Biden and Nancy, I mean, I'd sit at someone else's table. I don't care what they say. I'd be just so sick of these old fools that ran my party into the ground. I'd try just about anything, even communism.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Paul, you got to hate this. You've been in New York all your life.

[Paul Morrow Kennedy]

Yeah. I mean, look, if you're here in New York, you hate it. If you're right leaning anyplace else in the country, you love it. Because what's happening is the Democratic establishment is now falling into line. It's going to be inarguable that this is where the party is going. I don't see any way around it. Hochul now though has put her governorship next year. That's when the election is in serious jeopardy here. Because that's a year for Mamdani to destroy things here. And whoever runs again, there's a couple of good names. You got Blakeman, you got a couple of names I probably should say. But the bottom line is this. They're going to go against her and they're going to use Mamnik. Danny is the lover.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Yeah. What's the deal with the Republicans, Katie? It's like, we don't know good. Like I know Curtis Lewa, but he's, he's never risen above a certain number.

[Katie Pavlich]

All the Republicans out of town.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Yeah.

[Katie Pavlich]

State, they're like, we're not going to deal with this. If you're going to vote for this, go for it. But Kathy Hochul's endorsement of Mamdani is basically like feeding an alligator and hoping you don't get eaten last. The establishment of the Democratic Party is terrified of the left inside their party because they're violent. So Ramam, Donnie believes in intifada. Okay. His dad believes that suicide bombing should not be seen as barbaric act. They're afraid of their own people. So of course they're falling in line. And the taking over the Democratic Party is going to be very complete when you have a guy like this in charge of New York City.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Kennedy de Blasio endorsed him.

[Paul Morrow Kennedy]

Wow.

[Greg Gutfeld]

The worst mayor.

[Mary Kathryn Ham]

Consequential. It just goes to show how poorly Kathy Hochul, she is. So bad with her political instincts. She didn't get a counter endorsement from him.

[Greg Gutfeld]

That's right.

[Mary Kathryn Ham]

Yeah. She's like, I endorse him even though we have disagreements. And they're like, Zoran, do you endorse the governor? He's like, no, absolutely not. Gross.

[Paul Morrow Kennedy]

He says he's going to arrest Netanyahu, by the way.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Yeah.

[Paul Morrow Kennedy]

And he's going to order the NYPD to do it. It's illegal. They're going to say no. That's going to be fun to watch.

[Greg Gutfeld]

All right, one more thing's up next.

[Jesse Waters]

Corruption. Hey, I'm Trey G, host of the Trey Gatti podcast. I hope you will join me every.

[Paul Morrow Kennedy]

Tuesday and Thursday as we navigate life together and hopefully find ourselves a little.

[Judge Graff]

Bit better on the other side.

[Paul Morrow Kennedy]

Listen and follow now@fox newspodcast.com.

[Jesse Waters]

It'S time now for one more thing, Greg.

[Greg Gutfeld]

We got a great show tonight. We got the comedian Steve Byrne, the other comedian, Tom Shalou, Cat Tim and Tyrus. That's tonight. Watch it.

[Jesse Waters]

All right, Greg. Usually have some stupid animal, but I guess.

[Greg Gutfeld]

How dare you? Okay, Kennedy. I had a warthog.

[Mary Kathryn Ham]

Very smart flower. This was grown in a backyard in my birthplace, Indiana. Look at this eighth, 35 foot tall sunflower that is tall as a three story building. It goes, it goes. It's like Jack and the Beanstalk, but it's a yellow flower in honor of the homeowners home country of Ukraine.

[Jesse Waters]

Very nice stock. Tonight, just where's primetime? We have Benny Ray Harmony, she's a news anchor who was suspended for paying tribute to Charlie kirk tonight at 8 o'.

[Judge Graff]

Clock.

[Katie Pavlich]

All right. This is always a feel good story. Grant Lawson, battling B cell acute lymphoblastic leukemia was gifted a custom hero in a Nebraska hospital. So it's always good to make a little guys like this day. So hopefully it gets better very, very soon.

[Jesse Waters]

All right, we wish him well.

[Paul Morrow Kennedy]

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[Greg Gutfeld]

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