Don Takes Detroit

Summary

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Podcast Summary: "Don Takes Detroit"

Podcast: The Five
Host: FOX News Podcasts
Date: January 13, 2026

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Episode Overview

In this lively episode of "The Five," the panel discusses President Trump's high-profile visit to Detroit as part of his "affordability tour," evaluating his claims about a thriving economy and his administration’s impact. They debate the current state of economic indicators like inflation, wages, and job growth, while offering pointed criticism of both Republican and Democratic narratives. The conversation then pivots to heated topics including the unrest in Minnesota over immigration enforcement, the Supreme Court’s deliberation on transgender athletes in women’s sports, the evolving portrayal of masculinity in media and politics, and America’s new television obsession: "competency porn." The show closes with a heartfelt tribute to the late cartoonist Scott Adams.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

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1. President Trump’s Detroit Visit & Economic Claims

[00:19–06:14]

• Trump’s Address: President Trump appeared at a Ford factory, interacting with workers and touting what he called "the strongest and fastest economic turnaround in our country's history."

  "Under our administration, growth is exploding, productivity is soaring, investment is booming, incomes are rising, inflation is defeated."
  — Donald Trump (00:51)

• Panel Analysis:

  • Greg Gutfeld and Jesse Waters emphasize current positive economic data—low inflation, high GDP projections, booming stock market, and strong auto sales.
  • They credit Trump’s policies for repealing the EV (electric vehicle) mandate and achieving "energy dominance."

  "America leads the world in energy dominance. And that's not an accident. That actually takes policy."
  — Jessica Tarlov (03:19)

• Contrarian Views:

  • Dana Perino provides a reality check, noting that while some indicators are positive, others (like unemployment and the cost of essentials) have increased, painting a "mixed picture."
  • She cites specific price hikes in groceries, restaurants, and utilities.
  • Panelists squabble over the interpretation of these figures and their implications heading into midterms.

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2. Credit Card Interest Rate Cap Debate

[07:48–10:01]

• Kennedy Critique:

  • Kennedy argues a temporary 10% cap on credit card interest rates would have unintended consequences, such as reducing perks and pushing risky borrowers toward predatory lenders.

  "It sounds like a good idea, 10% cap for a year, but then after a year, it's just going to go right back to exactly where it was."
  — Kennedy (08:09)

• Panel Banter:

  • They note the superficial appeal of the cap but agree it's likely to backfire in the long run.

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3. Minnesota ICE Protests & Media Narrative

[11:28–19:52]

• Background:
  Protests erupt in Minnesota after the state sues DHS to halt what it terms "a federal invasion" of ICE enforcement agents.

  • Media commentary: Joy Reid suggests liberal white women are at the forefront of unrest because black protesters would face greater risk from police.

• Panel Reactions:

  • Greg Gutfeld and Kennedy satirize what they call the "performative" motivations of white liberal activists, contrasting them with black protesters’ involvement in causes rooted in their communities.

  "White female liberals... are ripe for the programming and man, they get programmed from the get go."
  — Greg Gutfeld (13:30)

  • Kennedy and Tarlov express skepticism over the professional orchestration and funding of protest groups, raising questions about the motivations behind their actions.

  "These are the great unwashed... lazy attention seekers who are really doing this as a form of tourism."
  — Kennedy (15:21)

• Civil Rights Concerns:

  • Dana Perino highlights public outrage over an incident involving ICE and Officer Ross, referencing a poll showing 53% of Americans believe the officer should face criminal charges.

  "82% of Americans have seen Officer Ross's video... 53% think that he should face criminal charges."
  — Dana Perino (18:05)

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4. Supreme Court Hears Transgender Athlete Cases

[22:19–32:08]

• Legal Context:
  The Supreme Court hears arguments on state laws (from West Virginia and Idaho) that restrict transgender athletes from participating in women’s sports.

• Key Arguments:

  • Panelists broadly foresee the court upholding bans on trans athletes in women’s sports, reflecting widespread public opinion.
  • Jessica Tarlov and Kennedy stress the "biological reality" of male puberty creating inherent advantages, with Kennedy saying:

  "If you’re going to allow biological males into women’s sports, you either have to completely get rid of Title IX or let female competitors give themselves hormone therapy so they can compete."
  — Kennedy (26:41)

• Critical Tone:

  • Gutfeld delivers a scathing critique, arguing the debate is driven by "predatory fetishists" and that liberals are betraying women.

  "This should not be taking up mental shelf space... You sell women down the fricking river because you want the attention."
  — Greg Gutfeld (28:10)

  • Jesse Waters likens the issue to a modern hysteria akin to the Salem witch trials, emphasizing its fleeting, now "barely identified" relevance.

  • Debate ensues over scientific misunderstandings and how the left has framed the topic.

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5. Masculinity, Young Men & Political Realignment

[32:16–37:26]

• Democrats & Male Voters:

  • Bill Maher segment is highlighted, suggesting young men shift to Trump because "he’s the one guy who doesn’t make you feel guilty just for being born…"

  "Maybe because, you know, he’s one guy who doesn’t make you feel guilty just for being born with a —."
  — Bill Maher (32:42)

• Media & Political Strategy:

  • Dana Perino, Kennedy, and Waters discuss how the left’s rhetoric has alienated men and left Democrats unable to diagnose post-2024 election losses.
  • They note a rise in "manosphere" podcasts and dismissal of moderate voices within the party.

  "Democrats still have no idea why they lost… they don’t want to listen… they want to be progressive and they want to be Mamdani."
  — Jesse Waters (35:10)

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6. “Competency Porn,” TV Trends, & Millennial Culture

[37:55–39:32]

• New Media Fad:

  • Dana Perino introduces "competency porn"—shows featuring highly capable professionals—as a popular antidote to the era of "woke TV" with uninteresting characters.

  "Now you have, like Landman... He’s flawed, he can be disgusting. People like flawed people because they’re interesting."
  — Greg Gutfeld (38:14)

  • Kennedy ridicules the trend as merely a rebranding of established television tropes, comparing it to the term "adulting."

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7. Tribute to Scott Adams

[39:41–41:00]

• Greg Gutfeld offers a solemn tribute to the late Scott Adams, creator of "Dilbert," crediting him alongside Trump and Musk as one of the three most influential people in U.S. culture in the last decade.

  "He had more of an impact on politics and policy than most people on this planet ever will. I do think that there are three people that have changed this country in the last 10 years: Trump, Musk, and Scott Adams."
  — Greg Gutfeld (40:13)

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• On Trump’s Detroit Visit:

  "You are so lucky I allow you into this room to even be with me. I'm kidding. I'm kidding."
  — Donald Trump (00:51)

• On Economic Optimism:

  "You got a 2.7 number [inflation]. And the stock market's at an all time high. Last year, I think 17% returns this year, it's going to go boom."
  — Jesse Waters (04:38)

• On Women and Protest Movements:

  "White female liberals... are ripe for the programming and man, they get programmed from the get go."
  — Greg Gutfeld (13:30)

• On Transgender Sports Debate:

  "This is like arguing over whether the earth is flat. Who wins? The flat earthers. Because you're arguing about it."
  — Greg Gutfeld (26:59)

• On Scott Adams’ Legacy:

  "He had more of an impact on politics and policy than most people on this planet ever will."
  — Greg Gutfeld (40:13)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Trump’s Detroit Visit & Economic Discussion: 00:19–06:14
• Credit Card Cap Debate: 07:48–10:01
• Minnesota ICE Protests: 11:28–19:52
• Transgender Athlete Supreme Court Cases: 22:19–32:08
• Discussion on Masculinity and Political Media: 32:16–37:26
• "Competency Porn" & Millennial Trends: 37:55–39:32
• Scott Adams Tribute: 39:41–41:00

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Tone

The episode maintains the combative, sardonic, and often sarcastic tone characteristic of "The Five," with panelists frequently teasing each other, using hyperbole, and blending humor with serious commentary. Guests often use pointed critiques and vivid analogies (e.g., "Salem witch trials," "kick over a beehive") to make their arguments memorable and engaging.

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This comprehensive summary captures the main topics and tone, offering a thorough recap for anyone who hasn’t listened to the episode.

Transcript

[Megan Alexander]

Five years ago, the US Brought leaders from Israel, Morocco, the United Arab Emirates and Bahrain together to sign the Abraham Accords. I'm Megan Alexander and this is Middle east tomorrow. Go to partners.foxnews.com met.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Hi, I'm Greg Gutfeld, along with Kennedy, Jessica Tarlov, Jesse Waters, and she wears ankle weights on windy days. Dana Perino, the five. The Dawn Taking over Detroit, President Trump hitting up the Motor City as the next stop on his affordability tour, inspecting a Ford factory and chumming it up with the workers on the floor. He then gave a speech on how he's lowered prices from the national nightmare known as the Biden years.

[Donald Trump]

I'm back in Michigan to report to you on the strongest and fastest economic turnaround in our country's history. It's really been historic. There's never been anything like this. You are so lucky I allow you into this room to even be with me. I'm kidding. I'm kidding. Under our administration, growth is exploding, productivity is soaring, investment is booming, incomes are rising, inflation is defeated. America is respected again like never before.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Trump also handing workers a bonus. His Biden impression.

[Donald Trump]

You ever noticed Joe would always cough before a speech. State of the Union he gets, Ladies and gentlemen. And then it would be like, very short. Although the one time they had him spruced up pretty good. Remember, he was Isaacite. He was floating. He was up there, way up, way.

[Greg Gutfeld]

And after four years doing squat about inflation, Democrats want to claim that Trump is all talk and no action.

[Democratic Politician]

These people are pathetic. Republicans have had all year, literally. Donald Trump lied to the American people and said that costs would go down on day one. Costs haven't gone down in the United States of America. Costs are out of control. It's all talk. There's no action. These people are not serious.

[Greg Gutfeld]

This, this guy, Dana, just flat out lies. You know, he said the costs would go down on day one. He actually has no idea how, like, the English language works. It's day one and everything's the same on day one.

[Jessica Tarlov]

Inauguration Day, he was on TV and he said the price of eggs. Yeah, wouldn't believe it under Trump. And it was really unbelievable. It might have been one week later, but it was not more than one week later.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Gas is down, eggs are down. Inflation 2.7%.

[Jessica Tarlov]

Wages up in many areas. I do think that when, I think the president's team was correct, that when people start to feel the actual effects of the big, beautiful bill and the tax code changes that went into effect January 1, by second quarter of this year, people will start to see it a little bit more. In addition, if you think about energy prices, that helps bring down inflation. And who was the last president to go to Ford? It was Biden. What did Biden say? He said, you have to change your entire fleet because we have to kowtow to the climate lobby. Well, now the president has. President Trump has been in office for a year. The EV mandate is gone. America leads the world in energy dominance. And that's not an accident. That actually takes policy.

[Dana Perino]

And.

[Jessica Tarlov]

And that's poised to continue.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Really well done there.

[Jessica Tarlov]

Thanks.

[Greg Gutfeld]

EV mandate. That sounds like a drag queen. Jesse. So he was in Motor City, which is a nickname for Detroit. Mm. You know, he covered all the successes. I mean, when you think about it, you have inflation 2.7. You got unemployment falling with a modest job growth. You got the trade deficit, like, lowest in almost two decades. You have the GDP projections for Q4 between 5 and 6%.

[Jesse Waters]

You studied.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Yes, I did.

[Jesse Waters]

And you know, the way the projections are going, you're looking at Reagan numbers.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Yes.

[Jesse Waters]

That's the flight path we're on. Ford had its best year since 2019. GM sales are up 6%. Ford sales up. Their stock prices are going through the roof. Ford says they have 5,000 manufacturing jobs that pay six figures that they can't fill. There's that much demand. But all these idiots went to these schools that gave diplomas and communications. So we don't have the skill set. We right now have wages outpacing inflation. We heard all about how the tariffs were going to jack up inflation. Didn't happen. Wages are outpacing it. You got a 2.7 number. And the stock market's at an all time high. Last year, I think 17% returns this year, it's going to go boom. I talked to the Commerce Department.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Did you?

[Jesse Waters]

Well, guy there, he said in the last 45 days, there have been 30 ground breakings. So 30 companies. Remember how they said all these are just promises by these foreign companies to come in and break ground on new factories? In the last month and a half, 30 factories have broken ground. Now they say, oh, you know, construction is booming, but manufacturing is flat. Well, why is it flat? It's because productivity sky high. And if you look at the states, there's a construction boom in the red states and you can't get anything off the ground in the blue states because they're overregulated. And when you have construction booming, that's going to precede the plants because it takes about a year, two years to build these suckers. And this AI boom is great. Were not losing jobs because of AI. That was another scare tactic. And now for the first time in years, mortgage rates are below 6%. So if you could get these mortgage rates lower, stock market stays high, and all of these promises, with these groundbreaking continue to flourish, you're going to have one of the biggest years not since the 80s. That's what kind of thing we're looking at.

[Greg Gutfeld]

The golden age is upon is Jessica, please tell us the bad news, tell us that we're lying and then tell us about some polls.

[Dana Perino]

Actually, for this, it wouldn't be a poll necessarily. It would just be the actual numbers of what's going on. So I heard unemployment is down. It's actually up 4.6%, highest in over four years.

[Greg Gutfeld]

That's not true. I just, I just got the data. Just got the data.

[Dana Perino]

Okay. Modest job growth, 17,000 jobs per month is like no job growth. And the revisions have been massive, going downwards. But I want the economy to do really well. Everyone, no matter your politics, should want that to happen. Greg was giving me the okay, not in the proud boy way. He was just.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Yes, I was doing the white supremacist side.

[Dana Perino]

I was just making it clear that that was not what you were doing. Anyway, Donald Trump showing up in Detroit right now talking to people who work at companies where manufacturing has been contracting and blue collar jobs are being shedding does not.

[Jesse Waters]

In Michigan.

[Dana Perino]

Perfect. Michigan, there are indexes that measure things like the cost of your groceries, the cost of your utilities, and those things are up. Those are the everyday things. So if that can be rectified and if they do get better, then Republicans should have a better midterm than they would expect right now. But as it stands at this particular moment, meat, poultry, fish and eggs as an index, up 3.9%. Rest, your restaurant bill, up 5%. Electricity up 6 point. Et cetera, shelter, medical care. That's a big one. So it's a mixed picture, I would.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Say we'll take a mixed picture. Kennedy, I wanted to ask you about this because you're so smart, brainy, because you wear glasses and all that stuff. We hear about this credit card cap and it sounds like a good idea, like, oh, those, those bank credit card percentages, they're so huge. They're crooks. But it's not really a good idea, is it?

[Kennedy]

No, it's actually not. Because it mitigates the risks for banks who are lending money to shady borrowers. So if people aren't going to pay their credit card bills on time, that's when they start to see interest rates 25, 29, upwards of 30%. So, you know, the bottom line for a lot of people is you have to pay your credit card bills on time and fight like hell to not jack up your credit card debt. So it sounds, sounds like a good idea, 10% cap for a year, but then after a year, it's just going to go right back to exactly where it was. And what is the incentive for people to cut down their spending in that magical year? There is no incentive. It's like asking a gambler, you know, I'm going to pay off your gambling debts with this big pile of money, so please don't go to the casino with it. And it's like, of course they're going to go to the casino. Of course they're going to go to DraftKings or Sportsbook or whatever, I don't know, wherever you want to place your bets on the big college football game. Wasn't a good idea to place any money on the eagles because my 49ers really sad.

[Jesse Waters]

Thank God I didn't bet you on that game.

[Kennedy]

That was the first thing I thought of. But the point is, if you like the perks that you get from credit cards, which many people richly enjoy, whether it's the Sapphire Lounge or the Centurion Lounge in the airport or all sorts of travel perks, those go away because credit card companies will not be able to afford them.

[Greg Gutfeld]

So for people, finally, I'm glad they're going away, people who are in the.

[Kennedy]

Herd, that is the incentive. It's also the incentive for credit card companies to loan those people money at lower interest rates. It also, if you cap them at 10%, people who need the money, who need to borrow are now forced into shady payday loans and even higher interest schemes in order to make it all right.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Kudlow Jr.

[Kennedy]

I wish, yes, I tried for a Kudlow Jr. For years.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Up next, radical agitators battle ice in Minnesota as President Trump vows a day of reckoning. I've got a road I must travel. And I won't.

[Megan Alexander]

Hi, I'm Megan Alexander and this is Middle East Tomorrow. Five years ago, the US Brought leaders from Israel, Morocco, the United Arab Emirates and Bahrain together to sign the Abraham Accords. That historic day ignited a cross border movement of change makers who are joining forces to reshape the region. Join me as I uncover the the stories of the people transforming the Middle east today and tomorrow. Go to partners.foxnews.com met.

[Jessica Tarlov]

And you've seen right there more Chaotic scenes from Minneapolis earlier, after Minnesota sued DHS to stop the surge of enforcement agents, calling it a, quote, federal invasion. And it looks like the protesters are treating it as one. Former MSNBC host Joy Reid claims liberal women are taking the lead in the unrest because, as she argues, black people would get shot.

[Guest or Interviewee]

This woman was part of a group of people who they trained to try to be ICE interrupters. And what they try to do is observe what ICE is doing, film them, and try to use their white privilege to be honest. They're mainly white people.

[Jessica Tarlov]

Which is what we ask.

[Guest or Interviewee]

Which is what we ask them. Yeah, because black people, like, we can't get on. We can't put our bodies on the line because cops will shoot us. So they. White women have been taking the lead in being the ones to step forward and challenge ice and.

[Jessica Tarlov]

And others in the media keep piling on ICE agents.

[Greg Gutfeld]

We see these clowns on TV with.

[Jesse Waters]

Improper training and we understand they're doing everything wrong.

[Jessica Tarlov]

Officials saying she was dangerous, not just some innocent mother of three. Just like they say. Kilmar Abrego Garcia isn't just a Maryland father.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Kristi Noem calls her a domestic terrorist. I mean, try to just remember what you see. Okay? You see it. And you know what?

[Jessica Tarlov]

The truth is, she does not fit.

[Kennedy]

The definition of domestic terrorists. Terrorists, in my view, as they are building this case.

[Jessica Tarlov]

Again, Greg, that's her view.

[Dana Perino]

What's your.

[Greg Gutfeld]

First of all, Joe Scarborough should not be giving any analysis on competence or physical health. This is a guy who diagnosed Biden as fit. Doesn't he have. Shouldn't he be, like, hidden somewhere? I would be hiding myself in shame. After the four years that Joker had, only Joy could look at an event and conclude the exact opposite. Meaning a white protester dies and she says that's because of white privilege. No, it just shows that when it comes to ice, they're kind of colorblind when it comes to protests. I feel like I need to explain the nature of black protests to Joy Reid. So the difference between black protest and white protest is. Black protest is for a cause. White is for content. For blacks, it was the civil rights movement. But oddly enough, for white female liberals, it could be trans, could be Hamas, it could be cl, it could be ice. They're very promiscuous with their compassion when it comes to causes. Why would they be that way? It's because it's about the performance. It's the egocentric need for self expression. This is why Hamas loved the campuses. They knew they could get a bunch of White girls, because the white girls are like, oh my God, finally I can like lose my white privilege. You don't see black protesters at animal rights events or climate change or trans. They're not, they're not a drag queen story hour. You know, maybe there might be a few drag queens, but they're not the parents. They don't go for the curated causes. They go for the stuff that matters in their lives. But, you know, but, but white liberal females, man, they are ripe for the programming. And man, they get programmed from the get go. It's a shame they don't have friends or people in their lives that say, don't do this. It's not good for you and your family. Somebody like me who would be there and be happy to say that.

[Jessica Tarlov]

And Kennedy, it is almost as if the federal government also, they have so many things they need to communicate. And one of them is figuring out who is encouraging these groups to do this kind of behavior because it is illegal to interfere with federal law enforcement. And the consequences can be deadly.

[Kennedy]

Well, and I think that's the point. The consequences. And that was the point that Joy Reid didn't realize that she was making. There are a lot of black people who have seen their family members and people in their community shot engaging with police officers. And, you know, that's not really where it's worth it. But I didn't believe in white privilege until I started seeing this stuff. And I'm like, maybe Joy Reid is onto something. Maybe Greg is onto something. Because, you know, these white women feel immortal because they are propped up not only by each other and their little cluster cusses at their hippie charter schools, but also by these organizations. You know, I look at some of these protesters and it doesn't matter if it's, if they're protesting in defense of Hamas at Columbia or if they're in the streets getting in the face of ICE agents, they all pretty much look the same. If they're carrying the signs, the signs are professional. If they're carrying backpacks, they're tactical tailor. You know, this is gear that's really, really expensive. And you know, these are the great unwashed. A lot of them are lazy attention seekers who are really doing this as a form of tourism. So yes, they are being bankrolled by some entities who are so wealthy, they have been great at shielding themselves from investigation and prosecution. But I really want to know, who are these groups and what is in it for them? And if they are billionaires, why are you trying to bring down a system that put you at the top of your perch.

[Jessica Tarlov]

There was a New York Post article today about some of the women who have decided to go. And one of them said that she drove all the way there because she wanted to feel the energy. And then I was going to ask you, Jessica, I don't know if you had a chance to see it, but Kat Rosenfield at the Free Press, she wrote a piece today saying that this is not a movie like people imagine. Oh, like this will happen and then it'll be fine and then you'll be like talking about it at dinner that night. But that's not what happens when there is interference like that.

[Dana Perino]

Well, it definitely has very dangerous consequences. So it's an R rated movie if that's the analogy that you're going with. But I think that talking about the thousands of people that have been out protesting across the country as all, you know, blue haired wine mom kooks is completely misguided and makes you look a little bit blind. I mean, if you look at the people who are standing outside of Somali owned businesses, for instance, or if you listen to Jesse Ventura, the former governor of Minnesota, talking about the Trump administration trampling on the Constitution and that the way that ICE is enforcing the law is completely unacceptable and that it's un American. If you listen to Joe Rogan talking about what all of us with eyes and ears can see and hear, you cannot conclude that this is just about, you know, a bunch of people who are radicalized online so they can be part of this group and quote, unquote, feel the energy the media talking about it is not the problem. Americans are seeing these videos. They're seeing one of the images that we just showed, a woman being pulled out of her car. She was on her way to a doctor's appointment. 82% of Americans have seen Officer Ross's video of what happened with Renee Goode there, and 53% think that he should face criminal charges on top of it. The fact that the administration is so blindly defending this officer and has absolutely no interest in finding out what happened on his side of things is mind blowing to me. So the FBI has enough time to investigate Renee Goode's her ties, right? Her activist ties. But there's no investigation into Officer Ross. And six prosecutors just resigned from the Minnesota office saying, we normally would investigate any law enforcement officer that kills somebody, but that isn't what's happening right now. And maybe that is what will change. But it's a criminal section of the Civil Rights division would be doing this. And Six prosecutors have quit because that is not what has happened up until this point. If that all changes, then we will talk about it again. But at this point, we have a story that Renee Good as a domestic terrorist and Officer Ross is allowed to do whatever he wants. And all of these ICE agents, if you can't see that there are people behaving badly here, that they are using tear gas on them, that they were pulling people out of their cars, pulling kids out of their jobs at Target.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Like, you create the environment and then you complain about the consequences. When you kick over a beehive, don't complain when the bees come after you poke a bear, don't say, I can't believe the bear's chasing me.

[Dana Perino]

You have a right to stand there and yell at us.

[Greg Gutfeld]

That's not what we. That's not what we were talking about. We're talking about you guys are deliberately creating an environment so that there is chaos. And when there is chaos, you go, oh, my God, someone gets hurt. What do you expect?

[Dana Perino]

They're trying to create chaos.

[Jesse Waters]

That's what.

[Dana Perino]

They're ICE officers.

[Greg Gutfeld]

These. These organizations desire chaos going in. And how naive are you?

[Jessica Tarlov]

And it wouldn't be a problem. You wouldn't have this chaos if Minnesota police cooperated with the federal government.

[Dana Perino]

There are Americans being pulled out of their cars again.

[Jesse Waters]

You know why, Jessica? Because they're getting in the way. Why do you think?

[Dana Perino]

Yeah, that woman driving to her doctor's.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Appointment, she was just a mom. She was just a mom in the wrong place. You guys lie about all of this.

[Jesse Waters]

That's another hoax. You're gonna find out. She's not going to a doctor's appointment. She was obstructing an ICE operation. And these resignations. Jessica, that's another hoax. It's already been debunked.

[Dana Perino]

Really?

[Jesse Waters]

And how can you look at these videos by everybody. It's like, hours ago. That was debunked. They resigned in, like, October.

[Greg Gutfeld]

That.

[Jesse Waters]

Hold on. Watch the videos, Jessica. It's mostly women. You can't deny it's mostly women and crazy looking women.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Where's Governor Ventura in these protests?

[Jesse Waters]

He's not the one putting his life on the line. It's mostly women. Crazy looking women. Trans women. And then the guys are like the tran tifa guys.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Where's Mark Ruffalo in this with backpacks.

[Jesse Waters]

Look at her. He's got a shaved head. Benny Johnson last night said on my show something very interesting. Very interesting theory. A lot of these women are single. And so you have this instinctive motherhood that's really not been able to be expressed. So they're trying to wrap their arms around the immigrant community and protect them. And it's very, very dangerous, Jessica. And sometimes women have to be protected whether they like it or not.

[Dana Perino]

You and the president have mentioned that before. And I'm sorry.

[Jesse Waters]

We will protect you.

[Dana Perino]

I'm good.

[Jesse Waters]

But we're not going to protect the killers who came in from Mexico.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Sorry.

[Jessica Tarlov]

All right. Up next, the fate of women's sports hanging in the balance as the Supreme Court hears two landmark cases today.

[Dana Perino]

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[Kennedy]

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[Kennedy]

The future of women's sports hanging in the balance. The Supreme Court's conservative justices seem inclined to uphold a pair of state laws banning transgender athletes from playing on women's sports sports teams. As they heard oral arguments on two different cases from West Virginia and Idaho. They joined nearly 30 states with the laws that stop biological males from competing in girls athletics in public schools and colleges, citing obvious biological advantages. Democrats, in the meantime, were holding a rally outside the Supreme Court and you can probably guess which side of the 8020 issue they were strapping themselves to watch.

[Jesse Waters]

These cases are about whether right wing MAGA Republicans get to decide who belongs in society and who does not belong in society. We have a duty as decent human beings to recognize that trans lives exist. Did you hear me, secretary man? You were lost with Ladder unconscious.

[Donald Trump]

Speak over me or over these people?

[Jesse Waters]

No offense to Coach Tuberville, but I.

[Kennedy]

Don'T want him deciding who's a girl.

[Dana Perino]

I don't want to show him my private parts.

[Kennedy]

Didn't ask to see him. So, Jessica, you have daughters and this is all about sex versus gender and biological sex and the inherent advantages that biological males have, especially when they go through puberty. 80% of the country, they're the ones who have sided with most girl parents who say, you know, I don't want biological males competing against my son. What did today's oral argument do for that argument?

[Dana Perino]

I think that this is going to go the way that's expected, which is the way with public opinion. And I have this is not a fight that I think is, I don't want to say, not worth having because there are, you know, very real emotions on this. But the science of what happens during puberty is so undeniable. And even the most preeminent folks on the trans side can acknowledge these kinds of things. And to say that your body changes in such a way that even if you go through the hormone therapy, you don't go back to a level playing field. Right. And these cases are a little bit different than the West Virginia case, bpj, the girl in question there, she never went through male puberty, whereas the Idaho case, that did happen.

[Kennedy]

And the Idaho defendant wanted to withdraw.

[Dana Perino]

Exactly.

[Jessica Tarlov]

Case.

[Dana Perino]

Right. Which had already cycled.

[Kennedy]

She's no longer playing sports. Yes, but the. The solicitor who was trying the case is saying, no, we actually. This is an important point, regardless of whether or not the person involved is still playing.

[Dana Perino]

I get what they're trying to do, but I think if the person in question is even saying, I don't want to move forward with this, that you should take that to heart. And I think that you end up on a bit of a slippery slope where then people use these rules to really restrict trans lives in a way that might apply to a broader field versus the 10 people, the 10 trans athletes that are competing on a college level, for instance. And that's what I'm more concerned about, Dana.

[Jessica Tarlov]

So I hate this issue. Really gets me. I've been thinking a lot about, like, how are people going to look back at this period in history? Okay. And on this one, they will say, wow, they were insane. They wasted their time on this. They spent thousands of dollars. They wasted these justices time today talking about this. It better be a 9, 0 decision. The Chiron at the bottom of our show this morning on Newsroom said court weighs rights for female athletes. Well, call me when it says court weighs rights for male athletes. There are no females who are trying to play in men's sports. It's completely absurd. It should be 9 0. Put a stop to it. And when. When any of these groups try to bring this case back up through to the Supreme Court, they should deny it.

[Dana Perino]

This.

[Jessica Tarlov]

Listening to the questioning today was absolutely maddening. That we have to spend time on. This is absurd. That there are not more women athletes who are speaking out. Saying it is outrageous really has bothered me. But I'm hoping that. That this will at least put an end to this and we can move on to more important issues.

[Kennedy]

I mean, you either have to completely get rid of Title IX if you're going to go ahead and allow biological males into women's sports, or you're going to have to allow female competitors to give themselves hormone therapy so they can compete on a Level playing field.

[Greg Gutfeld]

I'm with Dane on this. This is like arguing over whether the earth is flat. Who wins? The flat earthers. Because you're arguing about it. This never should even be in the public square. This should not be taking up mental shelf space. This is a story where you have to stop and step back and say, how did we get here? An entire phenomenon based on a predatory fetish. Men who like to dress up as women and then want to identify as women while not menstruating, while not having their genitals removed. They are autogynephiliacs. And yet we and Jessica, it's only 10 people. If it's only 10 people, why are we doing this? Why are we doing this? Okay, this is another issue where the public and private belief system of a white female liberal falls apart. Where are the women? Right? If they're at home and their three year old says that he wants to identify as the opposite sex, they're gonna say, just hold on, you're gonna grow out of it. If then your 12 year old son says he wants to play female volleyball, play female volleyball, you'll say, no. Do not embarrass. We could talk about this. You know, you're not going to say. You go, they. And yet you totally abdicate your responsibility. You sell women down the fricking river because you want the attention, the accolades, you want the strange new respect of the activist class. You don't want to be seen as bigoted or perhaps even worse, right wing. So instead you indulge men who despise women, men who adopt the female gender like a costume so they can invade the world that they can shock and awe. They don't. They can shock it on sports, they can shock it on in the dressing room. And it's liberal women, Jessica, who betray women. You embrace a biological fallacy. There is no biology behind this sex and gender bs. And you're championing men who are abusing women on the basis of a fetish. They go into prisons, they rape and abuse women in prisons as women. They expose themselves in locker rooms. And yet everybody goes, well, you know, we just don't want to infringe on rights. I'm sorry, we are done here.

[Kennedy]

If I were convicted of a felony and was going to prison, if I were facing prison time as a male, I would absolutely identify as a woman. I want to go to the. To the women's prison. I talked to a good friend of mine who's trans, and they said, I hope we stop talking about this soon.

[Dana Perino]

Because.

[Kennedy]

Loretta Cudwell and they said, this is the worst thing that has happened to trans people. Trans people have become targets because of this ongoing debate. And we have to get past it. And we have to get past the idea that women's sports should be open to biologically male competitors.

[Jesse Waters]

Well, I don't know if they've become targets. I think they've targeted other people. They've targeted innocent women in locker rooms and in sports leagues. This is kind of like the Salem Witch Trials, where culture goes hysterical for about a year and a half, just like we did about two years ago. It was a phase. Everybody started identifying as trans, and now they don't. It's like barely identified anymore. And what the Salem Witch Trials were really about was targeting, isolating, and killing people so you could seize their property. And this was always here about money too. It was about the medical community that was really greedy. And it's funny, cuz I'm listening to your show in the car, so I can only hear Alito, who's like everyone's granddad listening to someone say cisgender and transgender. It's like at one point he goes, I've had it.

[Jessica Tarlov]

Yep.

[Jesse Waters]

This is about sex and the differences. What's the difference between a man and a woman? And the woman arguing the case couldn't.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Do it, though she could do it privately. You know, she could. That's the story.

[Jesse Waters]

Like the biggest platform in the world. And she choked, and she knew the question was coming, and she couldn't define it. This is what happens when you're arguing queer theory in front of the Supreme Court. An unscientific, unproven academic theory that posits a man can be a woman. Not only that, he can be a woman and then he can change back to a man whenever he wants, or he can change into any gender. It's infinite that he could identify as. And that's what they're debating at the Supreme Court. It's illogical. And it was hilarious to watch the one woman who should have backed the women, Ketanji Brown Jackson, try her hardest with a very limited amount of brain cells to try to make this fit into a box. And she couldn't.

[Dana Perino]

You don't think there are any transgender people?

[Greg Gutfeld]

Intersex Point zero one issues.

[Jesse Waters]

And it's sad. But with their children.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Why do women fall for this stuff? It is so sad. God help you.

[Dana Perino]

You have a lot of problems with women today, Especially white men.

[Greg Gutfeld]

No, just you.

[Dana Perino]

Like, there are so many medical lies that would tell you the exact opposite.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Well, they're wrong.

[Dana Perino]

You were saying.

[Kennedy]

Okay, I'm going to sutra akil bossa to myself. And up next, speaking of dudes, Bill Maher is slapping the Democrats for dumping on the boys.

[Jessica Tarlov]

That's next.

[Jesse Waters]

Democrats want to win back men for the midterms. And Bill Maher says maybe try Trump's approach. Don't guilt trip the boys.

[Podcast Host or Announcer]

Just so much like this shaming a lot of it. You know, people wonder why so many young men vote for Trump. Well, maybe because, you know, he's one guy who doesn't make you feel guilty just for being born with a. You know, it's true. If you're 22, you don't remember a time when it was the reverse. So you've only seen the backlash. You've only seen white men bad.

[Jesse Waters]

Jessica, why did you guys attack men so violently, violently politically over the last couple of years? Well, there's one instance, listen, that it.

[Dana Perino]

Was definitely true for the 2024 election. I don't think that it is the destiny of any of this. I think that young men are up for grabs. You are seeing this and even the way that the manosphere hosts are talking like Joe Rogan and Tim Dillon and Theo Vaughn. And I think everybody needs to make their pitch. And we are moving into a series of Trump less elections starting in 2028 and the Republican Party. I think Mike Johnson is really exciting. 22 year old boys.

[Jesse Waters]

You think Joe Rogan's gonna vote for Kevin?

[Dana Perino]

He likes Bernie Sanders.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Okay.

[Jesse Waters]

He's not running for President Kennedy.

[Greg Gutfeld]

No.

[Kennedy]

He might, though. Bernie, yeah. Before Nancy Pelosi announced that she was retiring from Congress, it was conceivable that Bernie would run again. He's like the political Lazarus. And you know, it's funny, it's taken Bill Maher a long time to come around because for so many years he was just lobbing hunks of red meat at progressives. But he realized that there are diminishing returns kowtowing to the left because the left is always going to cannibalize its own. And it's interesting because even though they eat their own, they still somehow grow enough power. And then they have someone like Zoran Mamdani, who's elected in New York, and even he's getting on the yeah, I'm a bro, I'm a podcast bro train. And he is hardly the picture of masculinity that I think young men are going to gravitate toward, especially when their taxes go up and their possibilities dissolve in New York, which is going to crater when all the Billionaires leave like.

[Jessica Tarlov]

They are from California and Dana Mondani.

[Jesse Waters]

Wants to put a bidet in Gracie Mansion.

[Kennedy]

Is that real?

[Dana Perino]

Yeah, we love bidet.

[Jessica Tarlov]

Well, you probably are for that.

[Jesse Waters]

I've never been with a bidet.

[Jessica Tarlov]

It's just a callback to a pre. I don't even know if that was on air. It might have been. Commercial break okay, Jessica brought up the 2024 election. We are two years this year. We'll be two years past the 2024 election and the Democrats still have no idea why they lost. They buried the autopsy. They don't really want to talk about it. They won't listen to people like Bill Maher. They won't listen to people like Rahm Emanuel. They don't want to listen to James Carville. They just don't want to listen. They want to be progressive and they want to be Mamdani. It is coming to all of these congressional districts. And one thing to watch too, in particular is the the far left is really pushing moderate Democrats in primaries to claim that Israel was committing genocide. So let's just say you have a moderate Democrat that probably could win this district, but he's got a challenger from his left. You go to any of these forums and they'll say raise your hand if you think Israel was committing genocide. And if you don't raise your hand, you will lose that primary, which means that Republicans are going to be running against really left wing lunatics come the midterm elections.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Gigi well, you know, Jessica mentions Joe Rogan, Theo Vaughn, Tim Dillon. What are they doing? They're criticizing the person in power. That is a natural thing you do when you're an outsider, something that no one on the left did when Biden was in power. So Rogan, Vaughn and Dylan did like Trump. But Trump's doing a lot and they're criticizing him. That's healthy. Mars is just upsetting his side because he left his bubble and his punishment is condemnation from his peers who would have preferred him to remain ignorant of the prevailing realities. The woke prefer to be protected from truth because the fact is their egos would not be able to handle the reality that they've denied. And so that leaves the woke behind. And who's left behind? People with nowhere to go and people no one wants to be around. Why did Teen Vogue close? Because it was a sinking ship. But instead of plugging the holes, the remaining people went down with it. So the surviving woke will get smaller and smaller, more concentrated, more extreme and more compact and crazier. This is what you're seeing with ice right now. This is what this is the remaining woke in their last spasm. But they're not going anywhere. They just get tighter and scarier.

[Jesse Waters]

Have you ever used a bidet?

[Greg Gutfeld]

Yes, in fact, I am very pro bidet. In fact, you can order just a regular old shower kind of hose to.

[Jesse Waters]

Your toilet, stop it in your undercarriage.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Got it.

[Jesse Waters]

Up next, what is competency porn and why are Americans watching it?

[Dana Perino]

Welcome back. America's newest TV watching obsession is something called competency porn. Basically entertainment with people who are good at their jobs. Like that show the Pit, which I am currently obsessed with. We go around the table quickly.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Greg made up trend.

[Dana Perino]

Dana.

[Jessica Tarlov]

But you know what? Would rather have this than the opposite.

[Greg Gutfeld]

No, I think this is a response to trying to make the woke work in tv. You know, they tried all these woke characters, diverse characters, but they were boring because you could make them edgy. You couldn't make a woke character have, like a bad side. And every time they open their mouth, they'd say, as a non binary lumberjack, and everybody would just go to sleep. So now you have, like Landman for love it or hate it. He's interesting, he's flawed, he can be disgusting. People like flawed people because they're interesting. And they just dulled the edges of characters because they were so scared.

[Jessica Tarlov]

And I do like the Pit, though. I have to watch it with my hands covering my eyes because I'm not so great with.

[Greg Gutfeld]

With blood.

[Jessica Tarlov]

But Peter was like, oh, this is great.

[Dana Perino]

I have not seen a birth since the miracle of life. It's. It's something to watch. Jesse.

[Jesse Waters]

Jesse Waters Primetime's competency porn. You try to get Larry Kudlow to stop talking and hit the commercial break.

[Kennedy]

I hate this designation. It's so stupid. And it's millennials who think they're reinventing everything. Oh, competency. Give it a new name for something that has existed for decades. I put it in with the same bucket as adulting, which I also despise that term.

[Dana Perino]

And you're just like. You could have watched ER also.

[Kennedy]

Yeah, exactly.

[Dana Perino]

All right, what more things up next.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Time now for one more thing. I'll go first. Tonight we got a great show. We got Kennedy, Jamie, Lyso, Michael, Malice, and Tyrus. That's tonight. So grim news, but also Scott Adams, one of my closest friends and one of the legendary cartoonists passed away today after a long bout with cancer. You may never understand or know the impact of him, but you gotta trust me on this. I've been on the show for 15 years. You've come to know me, and I'm telling you that my career wouldn't be the way it is if it wasn't for Scott Adams, who's been a mentor to me and a close friend. He had more of an impact on politics and policy than most people on this planet ever will. I do think that there are three people that have changed this country in the last 10 years. Trump, Musk, and Scott Adams. And I have a feeling that both Trump and Elon would agree with me on that one. So I'm gonna talk about Scott Moore on the show tonight. Jeff. What? Let's drink.

[Jessica Tarlov]

Let's drink Scott Adams.

[Jesse Waters]

Scott Adams.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Simultaneous sip. We got 15 seconds, Jesse.

[Jesse Waters]

All right, well, I won't make it awkward, so I'll just promote the show. Happy TDS Tuesday to Scott Adams.

[Greg Gutfeld]

There you go. All right, that's it for us.

[Podcast Host or Announcer]

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