“Evil People”

Summary

Podcast Summary: The Five – “Evil People”

Fox News Podcasts | September 8, 2025

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Overview

In this episode of The Five, Dana Perino, Paul Morrow, Jessica Tarlov, Jesse Watters, and Greg Gutfeld discuss the nation-shaking crime story of a Ukrainian refugee murdered on public transport in Charlotte, North Carolina. The panel debates the political, cultural, and policy implications, exploring crime, media coverage, Democratic Party woes, and new revelations about Biden’s mass pardons. The episode also touches on viral moments and lighter social commentary, but its main focus is the intersection of violent crime, big-city dysfunction, and media response.

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Key Segments and Discussion Points

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1. The Charlotte Tragedy, “Evil People,” and Crime Policy

[00:18 – 11:10]

• Story Overview:

  • The panel reacts to the fatal and unprovoked stabbing of Irina Zarutska, a Ukrainian refugee, by a man with 14 prior arrests.
  • Trump’s “evil people” comment sets the tone for a discussion about repeat offenders and progressive criminal justice policies.
  • Panel criticizes media, especially CNN’s Brian Stelter, for focusing on narratives of racism rather than the crime itself.

• Greg Gutfeld:

  • Argues the use of “mental illness” as an excuse for predatory behavior:

    “I’m tired also of the term mental illness being used as a cover for criminality... That is not insane. That’s self-preservation. This is not insanity. It’s an evil mind.” [03:22]

  • Critiques selective media outrage and hierarchy of issues:

    "...they will still get people like Brian Stelter that says, be careful of the racism... But he’s not mentally ill. He needs to be executed." [04:20]

  • Points out the disparity in media coverage (George Floyd vs. Zarutska, Daniel Penny cases).

• Jesse Waters:

  • Calls for tougher crime policy:

    “Look, we can’t arrest our way into everybody having perfect mental health, but we can arrest our way into the rest of us being a hell of a lot safer... She completely misses the point.” [06:21]

  • Critiques New York officials on ineffective strategies, and notes the downstream effects of unsafe transportation:

    “Every woman I know, especially young women, are afraid of the subways. We have half the population afraid to go on the subway. That costs us billions.” [07:20]

  • Shares practical safety tips and wider impacts on city life.

• Jessica Tarlov:

  • Acknowledges horror, supports involuntary commitment for such repeat offenders:

    “...when the justice system has failed this many times... this is going to cause us to open up the conversation about involuntary commitments.” [10:20]

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2. Media, Race, and Criminal Justice: Uncomfortable Truths and Double Standards

[11:10 – 13:30]

• Jesse Waters:

  • Bluntly claims media and liberal establishment are silent when perpetrator is black, critiquing liberals for ignoring intra-community violence:

    “These whites that are liberal that run the media organizations hold blacks to a lower standard than whites. And they’re afraid of getting called racist...” [11:10]

  • Warns about the “homeless industrial complex” and agencies that profit from failed rehabilitation.

• Call for Reform:

  • Panel supports federal-level mandatory minimums, more institutionalization, and critiques permissive philosophy.

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3. Democratic Party Woes and Intra-Party Strife

[14:20 – 22:00]

• Context:

  • Steve Kornacki’s data suggests Democrats are more unpopular than Republicans as midterms approach.
  • Bernie Sanders and AOC try to rally the “Democratic left” amid warnings about splintering.

• Dana Perino:

  • Bluntly describes the Democrats’ leadership vacuum:

    “You know things are bleak when even the Washington Post news side said the Democrats are leaderless.” [15:49]

  • Draws lessons from '90s crime policy and how Democratic elders previously handled urban disorder.

• Greg Gutfeld:

  • Suggests Democrats are out of touch, sticking to “woke” priorities despite voter fatigue:

    “If you continue to mention the same WOKE pathologies, racial injustice, equity and that stuff, you’re done, you’re toast. And you deserve to die...” [18:36]

• Jessica Tarlov:

  • Pushes back, references J.D. Vance’s pessimism and ongoing Republican policy struggles:

    “You won in 2024. Act like it. You have a new election coming. You have to defend yourself each time. We lost in 2024. That’s why I say we've been admitting it. Biden was too old. He shouldn’t have been the candidate. People chose Donald Trump over Kamala Harris.” [20:33]

• Jesse Watters:

  • Warns that Trump’s focus on crime and fentanyl will be a winning issue:

    “Crime, crime, crime. I get that. Donald Trump’s doing something else, and the left better wake up to it... He’s starting to control the Western hemisphere, our part of the Western hemisphere.” [22:14]

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4. Biden Pardon “Auto-Pen” Scandal

[24:41 – 31:04]

• Allegations:

  • Panel discusses revelations of Biden staff mass-approving pardons via auto-pen, raising questions about accountability and possible corruption.

• Paul Morrow:

  • Legal concern:

    “The auto pen was our president. Or to put it a different way, whoever operated the auto pen was our president. It’s not allowed.” [24:59]

  • Suspects kickbacks and political favoritism in the clemency process.

• Jesse Waters:

  • “Feels to me like at the ground level somebody said...I’ll donate $10,000 to your campaign. Can you put a word in the big guy’s ear and get my guy out of it. Now, I don’t know that I want to be clear, but I don’t have another explanation for how some of these oddball pardons came in.” [25:25]

• Greg Gutfeld:

  • Brings up allegations about the Biden family’s finances and the possibility of “pardon cash” funding the presidential library:

    “Did Biden get a kickback for all these pardons? I mean, his family’s broke... I wouldn’t be surprised if some of this pardon cash ended up funding the library. It’s something to investigate.” [26:55]

• Jessica Tarlov:

  • Defends Democratic voters’ policy preferences, notes every president does personal pardons:

    “For, you know, the last minute pardons for people that you know are personal. Every president does that. President Trump obviously did that, you know, down at the wire...” [30:07]

  • Admits “the problem with a lot of them was...they didnʼt go through the right DOJ channels.” [30:40]

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5. Viral “Ball Snatching Karen” and Cultural Civility

[31:43 – 36:26]

• Viral Moment:

  • A woman wrestles a home run ball from a child at a baseball game, sparking discussion.
  • Watters and Gutfeld use it as a metaphor for societal entitlement and the DEI debate.

• Greg Gutfeld:
  – “She didn’t earn that baseball... That’s what DEI is, and we are done with it.” [32:48]

• Dana Perino:

  • “For anybody out there, guess what? Cameras are everywhere now. Literally everywhere...I think also it says something about dads and the importance of dads... a teachable moment. We have got to get back to more manners and more civility...” [35:34]

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6. Social Etiquette: Chatting With Neighbors

[37:00 – 39:12]

• Light Segment:
  • Panel jokes about how often to greet or chat with neighbors, city versus country etiquette, and cultural differences.
  • Gutfeld and Watters compare Southern politeness to Japan, joke about their own neighborly habits.
  • Concludes on the importance of pets as neighborhood ice-breakers.

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7. Final Segment: Astrology and Miscellany

[39:46 – 41:17]

• Dana Perino:

  • Dispels myths about astrological signs in a fun segment.
  • Gutfeld jokes: “I hope I blew your mind with that. You’re a cancer society.” [41:01]

• Show closes with light banter and programming notes.

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Notable Quotes and Key Timestamps

• Paul Morrow on evil and societal safety:

  “There are evil people. We have to be able to handle that. If we don’t handle that, we don’t have a country.” [00:18]

• Greg Gutfeld on mental illness as cover:

  “This is not insanity. It’s an evil mind. And it’s an evil mind that is somehow excused in a culture that weaponizes victim status.” [03:47]

• Jesse Waters on city safety:

  “We can arrest our way into the rest of us being a hell of a lot safer on public transport...” [06:21]

• Jessica Tarlov on justice reform:

  “This is going to cause us to open up the conversation about involuntary commitments.” [10:20]

• Jesse Waters on media double standards:

  “These whites that are liberal that run the media organizations hold blacks to a lower standard than whites... they’re afraid of getting called racist...” [11:10]

• Dana Perino on Democratic Party:

  “It’s a calamity...even the Washington Post news side said the Democrats are leaderless. And that is just the truth.” [15:49]

• Paul Morrow on auto-pen scandal:

  “The auto pen was our president. Or to put it a different way, whoever operated the auto pen was our president. It’s not allowed.” [24:59]

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Tone and Style

Throughout the episode, the panel maintains a lively, combative, and sometimes irreverent tone. There are moments of solemnity, especially regarding the Charlotte murder, but also frequent humor and pointed political satire. The hosts blend serious debate with quips, banter, and cultural commentary.

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Conclusion

This episode of The Five is defined by its passionate debate over urban crime, the media’s approach to race, and the current struggles of the Democratic Party, all in the wake of a tragic crime story. The panel critiques progressive approaches to crime and mental illness, decries media double standards, and delves into both serious policy and lighter viral news stories, all through their signature, energetic style.

Transcript

[Dana Perino]

Hello, everyone. I'm Dana Perino along with Paul Morrow, Jessica Tarlov, Jesse Waters and Greg Gutfeld. It's five o' clock in New York City and this is the five.

[Paul Morrow]

A lunatic just got up and started. It's right on the tape. Not, not really watchable because it's so horrible, but just viciously stabbed. She's just sitting there. So they're evil people. We have to be able to handle that. If we don't handle that, we don't have a country.

[Dana Perino]

So that was President Trump reacting to a horrific story out of Charlotte, North Carolina. A career criminal, 14 prior arrests, fatally stabbing a Ukrainian refugee in the neck completely unprovoked as she sat just minding her own business after she was working all night on the city's light rail. Irina Zarutska had filed. Excuse me, had fled the war in Ukraine and she was looking for safety here in America. And she embraced the usa. And then she became a victim of America's revolving door of violent criminals. The city's sharing the video online and CNN's Brian Stelter felt the urge to lecture about racism.

[Jessica Tarlov]

Elon Musk, Charlie Kirk, other Trump aligned figures succeeded in making this senseless death a symbol of big city crime. Some of the comments around this story are, are baldly racist, stoking fear of African Americans because this man attacked a white woman. The open racism on sites like X Today, it's eye popping. But there are also legitimate questions about this so called career criminal, someone who had been a repeat offender. And those questions, I hope they're not lost amid all of the cesspool kind of comments on social media.

[Dana Perino]

More on that in a moment. And the senseless murder comes as Democrats protest President Trump's vow to expand his crime crackdown to Chicago. They're ignoring the violence, but are outraged over the memes. President Trump posting this AI rework of the movie Apocalypse now with the caption, I love the smell of deportations in the morning. Chicago, about to find out why it's called the Department of War. The president then sparring with a reporter who took that meme as a serious declaration of Warren.

[Paul Morrow]

That's fake news.

[Dana Perino]

But why would the Department of Defense.

[Paul Morrow]

Listen.

[Jesse Waters]

Be quiet.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Listen.

[Paul Morrow]

You don't listen. You never listen. That's why you're second grade. We're not going to war. We're going to clean up our cities. We're going to clean them up so they don't kill five people every weekend. That's not war, that's common sense.

[Dana Perino]

Greg. The life of the Ukrainian refugee is worth pausing for a moment or many more moments over. She escaped Putin, embraced the United States, got a job at a pizzeria, was in her uniform, taking public transit on her way home afterwards, and then this guy just stabbed her in the back.

[Unknown Male Host]

Yeah, but you know what's worse than her murder? According to Brian Stelter, it's posting on social media. That's where he concentrated his concern, his antipathy. And then he says, but it's okay to question it as long as you're Brian Stelter, a fat white guy who should be fired again at Seattle cnn. He is one of the reasons why these crimes happen. Because anytime you dare question crime, it's jerks, scumbags like him that call you a racist. I'm tired also of the term mental illness being used as a cover for criminality. When a thug targets a woman that is not insane, he knows she's weaker when he comes from behind with a knife. That's not insane. He, he minimizes her ability to inflict harm on him when the thug flees, that's sane. Cuz he knows if he stays, he'll be arrested. So what would be insane would be if he were to face off against a man without a weapon, somebody like a Tyrus. That would be insane. You'd go, okay, that's crazy. But almost all of these people that do this stuff, they go after women. That is not insane. That, that self preservation. This is not insanity. It's an evil mind. And it's an evil mind that is somehow excused in a culture that weaponizes victim status, in this case, mental illness. Mental illness. And what is it about a society that contributes to this? And I say this based on my own personal evidence of being on city streets every single day, every single day in New York that when a homeless person is shouting at people, he, he's not shouting. I really made a mess of my life. Boy, I really screwed up. No, his aggression is purely blaming other things and other people. He blames the world, he blames people, he blames you. So we're living in a progressive ideological nightmare where the worst in society is empowered by a sense of victimhood. So when this happens, they will still get people like Brian Stelter that says, be careful of the racism or other people saying, you know what? We really need to be concerned about our services to the mentally ill, which may or may not be true. But he's not mentally ill, he needs to be executed. Lastly, I asked Grok for a conservative count of the number of times the George Floyd video was played. Looking at tweets and social media, Instagram, news networks. It came to a conservative number of 975 million times. That is not counting retweets. So that is a snapshot of this liberal disease, the hierarchy of problems, the media and politicians, people like Stelter implore you not to cover one problem, but to amplify another one to a destructive degree that leads to riots, leads to dozens of deaths, but do not cover this other thing because that is racist and that is not as important in the hierarchy of problems. We decide what you cover.

[Dana Perino]

That was also the George Floyd comparison was so good. Daniel Penney also we showed today, if you go to the New York Times, you type in Daniel Penny, you can get 100. There we go right here, actually. Thank you, control room. You get 100 results for Daniel Penny is zero for her. Paul, the mayor of the city said today we can't arrest our way out of this problem. Yeah, but he had been arrested so many times and continually let back on the street.

[Jesse Waters]

Look, we can't arrest our way into everybody having perfect mental health, but we can arrest our way into the rest of us being a hell of a lot safer on public transport than in the public arena here. So she completely misses the point. She also says, in a staggering statement, she says that this comes, this is shedding light on the problems with society, safety nets related to mental health care and the systems that should be in place. You're the mayor. Hello. You want to put a system in place, we'll hold your coat. Go ahead. But you know, she's not doing it. Instead, she's coming in after the fact. Now, let's look, let's progress the story a little bit. As you always say, let's. Some of the stuff that could happen now that's almost not. Oh, certainly not going to happen. Mamdani is going to come in, he's going to make all the buses free. He's going to make the subway free. Who do you think goes on public transport when it's free? Well, I'll give you a clue right now. They don't enforce theft of service, which is essentially tantamount to having the transit system free. And that's why you have an explosion of mentally ill and homeless people riding those rails. What is the result? 52% of this city is female. Every woman I know, especially young women, are afraid of the subways. We have half the population is afraid to go on the subway. That costs us billions. And the downstream effect of that, just to give you a quick example, is the fact that because women can't come into the city late night into Manhattan. You look around, you see all the boarded up storefronts. You see the bars closing. You see the clubs closing. You see the fact that New York City now rolls up the sidewalks at 10pm it's no longer the city that doesn't sleep. Why is that?

[Dana Perino]

Because.

[Jesse Waters]

Because nobody can come to work and then get out at 2 in the morning, 4 in the morning, go on the subway. They can't do it and they can't afford Uber. Right? So that's not gonna happen. Greg's 100% right about the woman issue. And here's another thing. This poor girl who survived Ukraine did everything right. Why she has her hair up. All right, ladies, you gotta go on public transport. Hair is a big, a big attractor. All right? That's just. There's two things that attract mentally ill people, if you wanna call them that, towards women. And it's almost always women. Even in Jordan Neely's case, he was going at a woman when Daniel Penny jumped up. Seed. Right? A woman with a baby. You got your hair and your eyes don't make eye contact. If you've got bright blue eyes, maybe wear glasses. This poor girl, she's wearing glass. She got her hair up. It still happens. I want to go to one last point, just because you're talking about the Democrats and progressives, you know, James Carville was on earlier today. He's talking about the fact that. Why aren't you talking about it might have been yesterday? Why aren't you talking about the fact that Joe Biden helped put in place in 1994 this great crime bill? Well, first of all, all Biden did was vote for it. But who did do it was Bill Clinton. And more power to him. Where is he? Where is he now? What have you done for us lately? All right, because he knew at the time that this was an important issue. And I got to tell you something, just to be clear. And truth in advertising here, we used to call it Clinton overtime. When I came on the police department, we used to get, it was called condor, but it was Clinton overtime and it worked. And it was essentially a federal endorsement of broken windows policing. Now, right now, in this current environment, when everybody's mad at Trump over putting the National Guard into the cities and highlighting this crime issue, where is Bill Clinton? Where are the elders of the Democratic Party who are a lot more sane in the 90s and helped turn all of this around? Again, I'm going to use it as our cities become the nut job archipelago.

[Dana Perino]

Jessica, I know you don't speak for all of the Democrats. You speak for yourself on this one. What do you think?

[Jessica Tarlov]

It's horrific. I'm glad that the video, most of the time when it comes across your feed freezes because it's heart wrenching. I'm glad that there are cameras everywhere now, so these things are documented and we just don't hear kind of a lackluster, you know, someone was murdered on a bus because people should understand how raw and villainous and evil this act was. I am one of the insane, I guess, women who does take the subway and I will tie my hair back. I didn't know about that. But I certainly do try to avoid making eye contact with people. There has been a surge of police officers put on the trains. I think Kathy Hochul said that there is one for every train, but that's obviously not in every car. And there are issues, even though we're trending in the right direction. You know, when Greg said we shouldn't make this about mental health, I understand that there is sometimes someone that is so depraved that we can't talk about that. But when the justice system has failed this many times that he had been arrested 14 times and he did serve his time and even the mother had reported him for mental illness, this is going to cause us to open up the conversation about involuntary commitments. And I think that people would probably be open to the idea that this guy should have been in a home versus being able to sit on the bus behind this innocent woman. No, I know. I'm just saying, if the justice system isn't going to do it, that.

[Dana Perino]

All right, Jesse, let me give you the remaining.

[Greg Gutfeld]

I mean, you got a black ex con that stabs a beautiful Ukrainian refugee to death on public transit and the media silent. And then last weekend, 57 shot, and the media is silent. So what's the common denominator? Black perpetrator. These whites that are liberal that run the media organizations hold blacks to a lower standard than whites. And they're afraid of getting called racist, Greg said, by their white colleagues. And they're afraid of Sharpton haranguing them about airing the community's dirty laundry. Because usually when beautiful blonde women get hurt, it's all over the television. Natalee Holloway, the girls in Idaho, you can't stop from seeing it. Now, this, you'd think, is the poster child for asylum seeker. She's from Europe, so she can assimilate easily. Her country is literally being invaded by Putin. She qualifies for refugee status. And she was working, so she's not a public charge. And then you have decarlos, who's the poster child for permissive politicians. The guy's a schizophrenic. He's been in and out of the court system his whole life, since he was a minor. And he's obviously a threat to himself and everybody around him. And they turn the guy loose on the rest of us. And it's about, they don't want to incarcerate, they want to rehabilitate. We talk about the homeless industrial complex, how people profit from. Homeless people are profiting from criminals. Instead of incarcerating them, they let them go to these community centers where they rehab them about addiction and violence. And none of that works. But people still get paid, and they get paid a lot of money. The chief of police in D.C. stunning statistic. Says the average homicide suspect has been arrested 11 times. So these people, this guy's 14 arrests. He is advertising that he's a ticking time bomb. He's telling society he's going to hurt somebody. And if society doesn't listen, then society has blood on their hands. That's why you have to take the discretion away from these stupid DAs and judges. They can't be trusted anymore. You have to bring back mandatory minimum sentences, all on the federal level. I don't know, three strikes, four strikes, five strikes. How about seven strikes? Is that enough? And then you got to put them in a loony bin. Biden spent, what, 8 billion building eight charging stations? I think we could build eight insane asylums with that money.

[Dana Perino]

And even his mom, as Jessica said she wanted him to be locked up.

[Greg Gutfeld]

He beat his little sister to a pulp.

[Dana Perino]

All right, up next, it's the socialist squad to the rescue. AOC and Bernie team up with Zoran as the Democrats struggle with the path forward.

[Unknown Male Host]

Yeah, Jesus loves me yeah, Jesus loves me. Dry eyes still gritty.

[Dana Perino]

Optimism isn't sunshine and rainbows.

[Jessica Tarlov]

It's fixing things, changing the way we fix things.

[Jesse Waters]

It's running the world on smarter energy.

[Jessica Tarlov]

Because if optimism never stops, then change can't either.

[Jesse Waters]

GE Vernova the energy of change always.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Seem to be me looking at you.

[Unknown Male Host]

You looking at me.

[Dana Perino]

It's always the same.

[Unknown Male Host]

It's just a shame.

[Greg Gutfeld]

More bad news for Jessica's party. NBC's data guy, Steve Kornacki is warning Democrats that the midterms won't be like Trump's first term.

[Steve Kornacki]

One of the things we saw in Trump's first term, Republicans had a bad midterm. They lost control of the house in 2018. They're trying to avoid that next year. One of the things they're hoping will be different this time. And our poll confirms it continues to be the case right here. The Democratic Party is less popular than the Republican Party. Neither is doing great, but the Democrats more unpopular. We did not see that during Trump's first term. We are seeing that during Trump's second term.

[Greg Gutfeld]

But can the commie cavalry save the day? Bernie and AOC teaming up with Zoran the Destroyer over the weekend. Watch this.

[Jesse Waters]

I find it hard to understand how the major Democratic leaders in New York State are not supporting the Democratic candidate. Democratic leaders will be jumping up and down. This is our guy. So we got another fight on our hands. And that is the future of the Democratic Party.

[Greg Gutfeld]

All right, so, Dana, the unpopularity of the Democrats combined with this fracture they have with the far left, how does that shape up for the future for the Democrat Party?

[Dana Perino]

It's a calamity. And I don't.

[Unknown Male Host]

Watch your mouth.

[Dana Perino]

That's a big word. I know. For a Monday. So you know, things are bleak when even the Washington Post news side said the Democrats are leaderless. And that is just the truth. And I know that it's true that they always go through the. Every party goes through this for a while, but they can. They're losing on every which way you turn around. Now, that's not necessarily true. And don't. I know that they won the state representative case.

[Jessica Tarlov]

I haven't even said anything yet.

[Dana Perino]

I know. I know what you're gonna say. But they won a good preview of what? Their election in Iowa.

[Unknown Male Host]

But look at the polling.

[Jessica Tarlov]

That's literally what Kornacki does that he led the segment with.

[Dana Perino]

Yes. And they're less popular than ever. And I think the other thing is, is that one, it's clear that the results from the Biden administration are continuing to have an effect. Immigration soft on crime policies, spending $8 billion to build eight EV stations when you could have been spending it somewhere else. So now you take the border issue that President Trump solves, but you still have the lingering effects of all the border problems continuing. Then President Trump adds another layer. He says, all right, I'm going to focus on crime. And the Democrat says, there's no crime. Let us show you 25,000 statistics to show that crime is down. Meanwhile, people are saying, but crime here and crime there and crime. And they don't know how to get up and say, you're right and do something like Bill Clinton did. That's how do you think Mark Penn helped Bill Clinton win again for reelection? He said, you know what? We are failing everywhere. What America wants is the voters want somebody who is weak. They will vote for weak over strong every time. Let's think about 2004 reelection in the middle of a war, right? It's after 9, 11 people ultimately decided that John Kerry was weaker on defending the country than President Bush was. And that's what happens. So I think that this whole idea that the Republicans can use Mamdani as this foil and say, oh, wow. So, Abigail Spanberger, thank you. How do you feel about this? And mom, Donnie, how did you. What about this? What's that guy's name down in New Jersey? Mikey Sherrill. It's not a guy, it's a girl. Mikey Sherrill, how do you feel about Mamdani, though? They might still win their elections, but the rest of these characters, there should be so much money spent about Mamdani saying, I know that socialized grocery stores didn't work anywhere else, but trust me, in my early 30s, I will bring a successful free grocery store to your neighborhood. Give me a break.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Free groceries, Greg. It's all you've ever wanted.

[Unknown Male Host]

It's always been free for me. I walk in any store, people just throw food at me. Incredible tomatoes, oranges, eggs, half gallon jugs of milk. You know, this Democratic Party is like me freshman year in college when I got dumped by my girlfriend. I was an obnoxious drunk. And then I looked and I saw, well, what was she going for? And this guy was in shape. He was a sigma nu, which I think that's Fiji. And I'm like, you know what, I gotta get in shape. I gotta start being what people want, right? I gotta cut back on the booze, start eating better, get in shape. The Democrat Party has to look in the mirror and figure out what is wrong. Trump could help them. Trump could save the Democratic Party if they let him. He's got the common sense lane. If you keep refusing to, by the way, he wants to share the lane. Anytime anybody sticks out their hand him, he grabs it. So if you refuse that, then you're gonna be on the outside always looking in. And it's like you said, it goes back to the A block crime. It's like this is an area where if you continue to mention the same WOKE pathologies, racial injustice, equity and that stuff, you're done, you're toast. And you deserve to die. You deserve to die because you keep lecturing us on why one group's problems matter more than ours. We don't listen to it anymore. You guys have completely lost. I'm sorry, Jessica. And I clued you into this. Even though you're a dear friend, your party has lost all credibility because you lied to us about so many things. And if you don't repudiate your past, you're going to commit it again and again and again. So we're waiting for you guys to say, look, we screwed up. That's all I ask.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Will you say that, Jessica? Will you say that we screwed up?

[Jessica Tarlov]

People have been saying that left, right, and center. You just won't accept it, will you?

[Unknown Male Host]

Edible Arrangement.

[Jessica Tarlov]

You can just keep moving the goalposts and we'll see what happens when the midterm comes. I don't want to be embarrassed like my dear friend Jesse and do any big predictions of what's to come.

[Greg Gutfeld]

I'm incapable of being embarrassed.

[Unknown Male Host]

That is your superpower.

[Dana Perino]

It's a gift.

[Jessica Tarlov]

But there are two main indicators for why I think Steve Kornacki is wrong about what's going to happen in the midterms. The first is that J.D. vance is saying himself that the Republicans are going to lose, telling Lara Trump on Saturday. The bad news is, one of the pollsters once told me that anger usually wins midterm elections. And because we've done so much of what we said we were going to do, people are angry. So thank you, J.D. the second one is, is that the big beautiful bill has an approval rating of -22. And the Republicans had to have an emergency meeting last week with Tony Fabrizio, their pollster, to work on a rebrand. So they want to call it now the Working Families Tax Credit Bill or something like that. But people know what it is. It's a, you know, tax break for the rich. And they're going to take away your Inflation Reduction Act. It doesn't matter. This is the thing. You won in 2024. Act like it. You have a new election coming. You have to defend yourself each time. We lost in 2024. That's why I say we've been admitting it. Biden was too old. He shouldn't have been the candidate. People chose Donald Trump over Kamala Harris. We're working on identity politics. We're working on good economic policy. The voters are saying that they are not into this. He is underwater in every single major category. Minus two on crime, minus six on border security, minus 14, deportation.

[Unknown Male Host]

What do you mean, minus two words?

[Greg Gutfeld]

Democrats. Jessica, that's the point of the segment.

[Jessica Tarlov]

No.

[Greg Gutfeld]

As terrible as you think Republicans are. The Democrats are even worse.

[Jessica Tarlov]

No, we have to get Paul.

[Greg Gutfeld]

And we have to get Paul.

[Jesse Waters]

Well, I was going to say exactly what you just said. So what I just said what he just said. Look, they can run on one thing. Change. That's it. You're going to hear a lot of that. It's time for a change. Time for a change. What does the change look like? We don't seem to be getting it right now. I got a couple of questions. Number one, government run grocery stores, right? Will we be allowed to shoplift? All right. I mean, that's a reasonable question. Under conditions that they've created, right?

[Unknown Male Host]

Provided there's something worth stealing.

[Jesse Waters]

Is everything going to be locked up?

[Unknown Male Host]

Yeah.

[Jesse Waters]

Like it is now. I mean, what's the story going to be? This is like being told, hey, I got a headache. I got a headache. You know what could be worse than this? I can't get rid of this headache. Got it. For three days. You go to the doctor, he says, I got bad news for you. You got brain cancer. That's the difference between what's going on right now. You may not love everything and how it's going right now. But then you look at the alternative and you say, wait a minute, you're going to tell me that the Zoran Mamdanis of the world are going to run this and Jessica, that's where the party is. You can roll your eyes, but that's where you guys are right now, man. I mean, you and I both. You and I both know that Sanders was supposed to be the nominee. This is where the party is right now. So there's two. One last quick question here. Point, right? Excuse me. Crime, crime, crime. I get that. Donald Trump's doing something else, and the left better wake up to it because he's going to eat your lunch on this, which is fentanyl. He's doing all this stuff relative to Venezuela. He's instituting something called the Trump Doctrine. Who's named that? I've named it. And it is a continuation of the Monroe Doctrine. Takes us back to 1830s, but he is setting a red line saying, this is our backyard, this is our hemisphere. We don't want you messing around here. And what he's doing is he's going to stop the flow of fentanyl. That's 100,000 deaths every year. It implicates China, it implicates Cuba. This is a big point to run on. It seems to be under the radar. Pam Bondi took down a big human trafficking ring the other day. From Cuba, which is going to be another part of the dominoes that go here. He's starting to control the Western hemisphere, our part of the Western hemisphere. The left never even looked at this. China's been eating our lunch down there for a long time. Expect to hear about that at the midterms. All right, well said, Paul.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Up next, shocking new revelations on the auto pens pardons.

[Dana Perino]

We're putting our new bio.

[Will Kane]

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[Unknown Male Host]

Another auto pen shocker. New emails reveal Biden officials privately expressed concern at the controversial pardons granted in the final months of his presidency and questioned if Sleepy Joe even knew about them. Sure sounds like it could be one of the great scandals of our time.

[Paul Morrow]

I think the auto pen is one of the great scandals of our time. The auto pen was our, was our president. Or to put it a different way, whoever operated the auto pen was our president. It's not allowed. It's just not allowed.

[Greg Gutfeld]

I think it's a big, I think.

[Paul Morrow]

It'S a tremendous scandal.

[Unknown Male Host]

So many scandals, so little time. Paul, if Biden handed all this power to other people, why can't these decisions then be undone?

[Jesse Waters]

Well, they should be. All right. I mean, and the problem here is that this is going to be an issue of first impression, as they call it in law, which is there's no roadmap for what to do now. But the bottom line is the president, not people. He has have the power for this pardon and very clearly he wasn't in a loop on it. But here's where I think the investigation should go. In light of the fact that they are investigating, there are some odd one offs here that were included. And you got to say to yourself how and why you got to go down the chain on that because you got to say to yourself why this guy? And you got to see what district he's in and you got to see how that email came in. And you got to keep going because from where I sit, because you have some real oddball pardons here that are coming out of the blue. Feels to me like at the ground level somebody said, look, I got my nephew here, he's not a bad guy. He commits 16 robberies. But you know what, I'll donate $10,000 to your campaign. Can you put a word in the big guy's ear and get my guy out of it. Now, I don't know that I want to be clear, but I don't have another explanation for how some of these oddball pardons came in. When you look at the panoply of oddballs, go all the way down to the ground level, Find out the genesis of some of these pardons, because some of them are really bad.

[Unknown Male Host]

Panoply of oddballs. That was going to be the original name of my show. Jesse. You know what's interesting is if you look at Biden, he didn't. None of these people were vetted. He granted clemency to more people than any president in history. Doesn't that sound just like the border? Yeah, it's crazy. It's like, open the doors or close the door.

[Jesse Waters]

Right?

[Unknown Male Host]

Yeah.

[Greg Gutfeld]

So I. Paul's right. It looks like a cash grab to me. If you have 4,000 pardons during the lame duck, and Biden says he knew their names, and he didn't know any of their names, and even his people said he knew no one's names. So you have to have a pardon lobbyist take cash from a crack dealer, and then. Yeah, quid pro quo. Did Biden get a kickback for all these pardons? I mean, his family's broke. His son is in $5 million debt from lawyers. Biden himself took out a loan to cover expenses. And they need money for a library because there's no library, there's no donors. I wouldn't be surprised if some of this pardon cash ended up funding the library. It's something to investigate.

[Unknown Male Host]

Is presidential libraries in Delaware?

[Jesse Waters]

Yeah.

[Unknown Male Host]

Yeah. Another reason to drive through Delaware. Dana. January 6th, still the worst day in the history of the world. Let's forget about the auto pen, the fact that there was no president for four years. Focus on January six.

[Dana Perino]

Well, you know where that's coming?

[Jesse Waters]

Yes.

[Dana Perino]

So it's coming.

[Unknown Male Host]

It's coming from over there.

[Dana Perino]

Yes. Be prepared. This is what I want to say. When I first heard about this over the weekend, I was kind of relieved.

[Unknown Male Host]

Yeah.

[Dana Perino]

I was like, oh, so there was still somebody at the White House who had, like, some concerns, some pulse on what was going on, and maybe they were overruled by the president. Yeah, maybe. Maybe there was still somebody. And then I think, wait a second. Actually, I don't really have time for the lawyers who are now saying, well, we raised questions because they're being interrogated by the House Oversight Committee. It was like Biden, you said, I think one of you mentioned he wanted to be known as, like the fdr. He wanted to do everything, but he wanted to be the first to do this. He was going to call every European leader. He was going to pardon the most people. And it was like, you get a pardon and you get a pardon, you get a pardon. And I think the most egregious thing is that looking back, you realize that that was a lot of this was, I think, dark money group stuff. They wanted like all these soft on crime things. That's the reason that the Democrats are still in the doldrums of popularity, even despite January 6th.

[Unknown Male Host]

Damn it. So, Jessica, I save you for last because I have a poignant question. If the party lied to you for four years about your president, they played you for a fool, how can you not be disgusted by your own party? How can you remain a Democrat when you know how they treated you? Unless you were in on it from the start. Were you in on it from the start, Jessica? Is that why you don't care?

[Jessica Tarlov]

I was the one who laced up his shoes myself. And I don't know. Listen, I think there are some people who feel that way, genuinely. And some people who usually vote for Democrats went out and voted for Trump in 2024. I think that at the end of the day, though, people, I mean, this is a little bit different with Donald Trump, but at least on the Democratic side since Obama, it's not a cult of personality issue. It's a set of policy preferences. And they like the Democratic policies better than they like Republican policies. And they'll show up to vote in the midterms and in 2028 based on that.

[Unknown Male Host]

You need to find those policies.

[Jessica Tarlov]

We have them. They're written down. As for, you know, the last minute pardons for people that, you know are personal. Every president does that. You know, President Trump obviously did that, you know, down at the Wire. Even, you know, some people, for some people that we all know, crack dealers, I'm saying I'm separating them, Separating them and saying there are personal pardons and then there are these mass commutations. And the problem with a lot of them was a, that it didn't go through the right DOJ channels. And even people like Senator Blumenthal, who's been a big ally of President Biden, called it out and said, some of these must be a mistake. And it seems to have come from the fact that there were state convictions versus federal charges. And the federal charges were like a cocaine charge, but they had murdered someone, and then they let them back out on the street. So I would be for. And maybe we can all agree on this, that you have to personally. Something like that. You have to personally go through absolutely all of it, including violent January 6th offenders.

[Jesse Waters]

Well done.

[Jessica Tarlov]

Thank you.

[Unknown Male Host]

If you can find one.

[Dana Perino]

What?

[Unknown Male Host]

Up next, the ball snatching Karen, who ruined a kid's birthday.

[Dana Perino]

The newspaper shout. A new style is growing, but it.

[Unknown Male Host]

Don'T know if it's true.

[Jesse Waters]

Hey, I'm Trey Gowdy, host of the Trey Gowdy Podcast. I hope you will join me every Tuesday and Thursday as we navigate life together and hopefully find ourselves a little bit better on the other side.

[Will Kane]

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[Jesse Waters]

She'S being called the most hated woman in America. Sorry, Dina. A female Phillies fan strong arming a dad into handing over a home run ball that he had just given to his young son for his birthday. Watch this.

[Unknown Male Host]

The ball hit the fan. Oh, the Phillies fan came in and she. She. He stole it from another Phillies fan. Oh, she can't believe it. Whoa. Oh, easy, easy. Oh, yeah. Yep. We have a little infighting here. You know, he did give it to.

[Jesse Waters]

Side of the screen.

[Unknown Male Host]

She's laughing.

[Jesse Waters]

All right. Ugh.

[Unknown Male Host]

What is going on?

[Jesse Waters]

So, Jesse, does this prove that Philadelphia sports fans are evil?

[Greg Gutfeld]

No, absolutely not. It proves that women with short hair, beware. That's what I always say. You see a woman like that coming up to you. Hair like that. Every man has been in that position. You see what he said at the end?

[Jesse Waters]

He goes. He just.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Just take it.

[Jesse Waters]

Just.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Just take it. I don't want to deal with you. This is kind of like a symbol for dei. She didn't earn it. She didn't earn that baseball. He earned the baseball. He went over there, he grabbed it. Not from her child's hand, from the cement. Gave it to his own son. And then some crazy woman with weird hair came up and started screaming at him. And so he said, fine, I'll just give it to you whatever you want. Here, take it. That's what DEI is, and we are done with it.

[Jesse Waters]

That's quite a metaphor. Let me ask you, Jessica, you think she's a Democrat in Philly?

[Jessica Tarlov]

Yeah. Odds are it's obviously very poor behavior. But I'm uncomfortable with, like, all of the shame. It feels like it's going too far. And I know it's not summer anymore because Labor Day happened, but it feels like a summer thing, right, where we're talking about this kind of stuff. Like the astronomer CEO. The affair feels very different than this. And the polish CEO.

[Jesse Waters]

They don't want to see somebody dox her now.

[Jessica Tarlov]

Well, they're going, well, we don't know her name. Right? Yeah, which is probably so maybe she'll be saying it's Karen. That is what my name was. What's it, Tarlovsky, originally.

[Unknown Male Host]

Wait, wait, wait.

[Greg Gutfeld]

You took the Judaism out of your last name?

[Jessica Tarlov]

Not me personally. The Jews fleeing persecution.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Oh, I thought it was like a stage name.

[Jesse Waters]

Yeah, let's move on from this.

[Unknown Male Host]

My name was Greg Gutfelsky. Greg, what do you got?

[Jesse Waters]

Go ahead, come on, change the subject. Well.

[Unknown Male Host]

Do you think that Prince Harry was watching this and goes, God, I know that feeling. Take, take my balls. The father acts so strange. It's like he saw a spider in the shower. When she comes over he goes, but anyway, I want to take a different attack on this. This is a great example that we see to meet seem that we need to see more of. And that's de escalation. You know, he did the math in his head. We see so many videos online of people fighting at airline counters and traffic stops in restaurants. I watch hundreds of them a day cuz I can't get enough of them. It's nice to see, you know, this de escalation, a combination of self control and composure. It's a cultural, It's. We're missing this in a culture right now. It could be that Covid cost us years of self assurance. So people don't know how to act with inner strength. Social media rewards outbursts instead of that. At least that. But this is popular because of the ball and everything. So I think it's nice to see that, to see like a de escalation. We still don't know who the lady is, but she's staying in my place.

[Jesse Waters]

Dana, you have to explain that you're her at some point you gotta face the media here.

[Unknown Male Host]

What are you gonna do?

[Dana Perino]

Well, I was thinking about, remember one of the first cancellations? The woman who wrote the tweet.

[Jesse Waters]

Yes.

[Unknown Male Host]

South African woman.

[Dana Perino]

Yes. And then she got on a flight. She had no idea that her life had been ruined over the course of those 12 hours. For anybody out there, guess what? Cameras are everywhere now. Literally everywhere. So it's not only this that the announcers are doing the play by play of Karen's play here, but you have everybody there around it. I think also it says something about dads and the importance of dads. And the dad set the example and he's like, okay, I'm just going to do this. And then the kid, when the Kid was interviewed today, he says, or yesterday, he says, I hope that ball meant a lot to her. Right. That's a nice thing to say. So it's like a teachable moment, but I think it's a national teachable moment. We have got to get back to more manners and more civility and self control and ability to operate in society without losing your mind over a baseball.

[Jesse Waters]

We got a lot out of a baseball dispute, son. Up next, is skipping a chat with your neighbor a crime against courtesy? Check their new game day fit. This is Jason Chaffetz from the Jason in the House podcast.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Join me every Monday to dive deeper.

[Jesse Waters]

Into the latest political headlines and chat with remarkable guests.

[Will Kane]

Listen and follow [e-mail] or wherever you download podcasts.

[Jessica Tarlov]

Annie's great. Should you always stop to chat with a neighbor? Southern Living is giving tips on whether you need to gab every time you see them. Dana so I'm a big gabber, but I feel like you when you have a purpose, you don't.

[Dana Perino]

Yeah. So it's different. So when we're here in the city, this is a weird thing. We live in an, on an apartment. In an apartment and on our floor there's probably 10 apartments. I never see a soul so I don't have this problem. But anytime I get in the elevator to go up and we stop at other floors and it's a nice smile or I always pay a little compliment. I like your shoes. Cute dog. Something like, just like a little something. But it's not like engaging in a full on conversation.

[Jessica Tarlov]

All right, no neighbor friends. Jesse, can you see your neighbors from your big pile?

[Greg Gutfeld]

So if you live in the countryside, you have to stop and talk because you're only one person and this other person's coming from a mile away and you can't see anybody else if you ignore them, you are a horrible person. So I got to know my neighbors and they've gotten to know me and now they ignore me.

[Jessica Tarlov]

Greg, are you neighbor Y I am, I am.

[Unknown Male Host]

But you gotta know when to blow em off. You know what I mean? You gotta have a way out. I generally, if I think that I don't want to see the neighbor again, I will say something incredibly racist. We'll be on the street, we'll talk. And I go, you know what? I go, what's up with the Jews? And then I'll go. And then I look, go like this.

[Jesse Waters]

I'll go like this.

[Unknown Male Host]

Let me tell you something. And then generally they'll break off and they'll leave and they'll walk down the street.

[Jessica Tarlov]

Downtown Manhattan. That's a lot of people, Paul.

[Jesse Waters]

All I can say it's not surprising. This comes out of the South. It's like Japan, right? There's a zillion people that piled onto each other on a couple of islands, Right? And So there's like 46 ways to say no in the South. They teach you to be polite because everybody's got guns. So everybody's polite down there, bless their hearts.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Right?

[Jesse Waters]

The reason Bless his heart comes out of the South. So I'm not surprised. I'm like, Greg, I never even see my neighbors. I don't talk to them. They don't talk to me.

[Unknown Male Host]

I walk my dog in my neighborhood every morning.

[Jessica Tarlov]

Well, the dog community, I feel like Peter is probably a hit in the neighborhood.

[Dana Perino]

Peter's got a lot.

[Unknown Male Host]

Yes.

[Dana Perino]

Maker friends. Yeah.

[Jesse Waters]

Your neighbor's like your dog, Greg. I'm sorry to tell you that is true.

[Unknown Male Host]

He goes into every store, gets free food.

[Dana Perino]

Like, oh, he's going to love Mom Donnie's.

[Jessica Tarlov]

New York City free dog food coming. One more thing's up next.

[Will Kane]

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[Dana Perino]

It's time now for one more thing. If you're into astrology, I have got to tell you something. You're wrong about everything because it's 2,000 years out of date. Yes. This article in the New York Times says that the 12 signs were originally based on constellations behind the sun. But with Earth's wobble and constellation size now, those are super old. So you thought you might have been a Taurus like I thought I was a Taurus. I'm actually an Aries now, so this is going to blow your mind. Everybody. I put up your sign that you that you think you are in your life right now. Do we have this here? Am I just gonna read it? You know what, Jessica, you're an Aquarius.

[Jessica Tarlov]

That's so weird.

[Dana Perino]

Jesse, you're a Gemini. Greg, you're a Leo.

[Greg Gutfeld]

I'm a Cancer.

[Dana Perino]

Dana Paul is also a Libra. All right, okay.

[Unknown Male Host]

Anyway, so let's do some news for guys now tonight on Gutfeld. Kat Tim, Chris DiStefano, Erin McGuire, Steve Cortez. Quickly to the Sexy News. Greg Sexy Tenrec news. You know what a tenrec is. No, I'm not sure. But boy, are they sexy. Look at this little fella. That's Briar. He likes to get wet. It's basically a hedgehog, but they're called.

[Dana Perino]

You know what?

[Unknown Male Host]

Stop.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Stop.

[Unknown Male Host]

Tenrex shaming. Is it because he's naked?

[Dana Perino]

Yeah.

[Unknown Male Host]

He's in Madagascar right now. Do you know that? Oh, actually, it's a Cincinnati Zoo. I'm just gonna. Oh, look at those.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Gemini or a cancer. That's what I mean.

[Dana Perino]

I hope I blew your mind with that.

[Unknown Male Host]

You're a cancer society.

[Greg Gutfeld]

But Johnny went to the Commie Mandami Bernie Sanders rally and we'll have that this year.

[Dana Perino]

I can't wait to see that. Paul, Jessica, we'll catch you another time. That's it for us. Have a great night.

[Jesse Waters]

This is Jimmy Phela inviting you to.

[Unknown Male Host]

Join me for Fox Across America where.

[Jesse Waters]

We'Ll discuss every single one of the Democrats dumb ideas. Just kidding.

[Unknown Male Host]

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