Grammys Go Anti-ICE

Summary

Podcast Summary: The Five — "Grammys Go Anti-ICE"

Date: February 2, 2026
Host & Panelists: Dana Perino, Emily Compagno, Harold Ford Jr., Jesse Watters, Greg Gutfeld, Michael Malice
Podcast: FOX News Podcasts

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Episode Overview

This episode centers on the politicization of the 2026 Grammy Awards, where high-profile musicians and celebrities used their platforms to protest ICE (Immigration and Customs Enforcement) and immigration policy, drawing both critique and satire from "The Five." The panel explores the effectiveness of celebrity activism, broader political and cultural impacts, and shifts into discussions about doxing of ICE agents, demographic changes threatening Democrats’ electoral prospects, and recent media coverage of political figures like Gavin Newsom and Melania Trump.

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Major Discussion Points & Insights

1. Grammys Turn Political: Anti-ICE Protests

Key Segment: [00:55–05:17]

• Greg Gutfeld opens with condemnation of the Grammys, calling the show "terrible" and the host "lousy," (00:55).

• The Grammys drew attention as stars including Justin Bieber and Billie Eilish wore "ICE OUT" pins or called for immigration reform and attacks on Trump’s policies.

• Memorable Quotes:

  • Emily Compagno: “No one is illegal on stolen land.” (01:33)
  • Jesse Watters: “Immigrants built this country.” (01:47)

• Bill Maher is invoked to warn Democrats: “You’re making independents vote Republican,” criticizing performative activism (02:01).

• Celebrities’ activism is depicted as ineffective, performative, and potentially counterproductive.

Satire & Sarcasm:

• Panelists mock celebrities as out-of-touch and privileged.
  • Michael Malice: "Liberals run the Grammys like Trump runs the border. You have to show an ID to get in… The audience is global. That’s where the money is." (04:32)

Jelly Roll’s Speech: A Contrast

Key Segment: [02:37–03:01]

• Singer Jelly Roll is praised for sincerity and faith:
  • Jelly Roll via Harold Ford Jr.: “Jesus is for everybody. Jesus is not owned by political party. Jesus is Jesus and anybody can have a relationship with him.” (02:52)
• Panelists contrast his authenticity and hard background with the privileged lecturing by other stars.

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2. Effectiveness of Celebrity Activism

Key Segment: [05:17–08:58]

• Harold Ford Jr. reiterates free speech rights and tells offended viewers to "just turn the channel."
• Emily Compagno criticizes celebrities’ entitlement and lack of real-world experience:
  • “To be lectured by these people whose lives have been buffered and bloated with comfort and entitlement… and have the gall to think their pin's actually going to matter or change something… have they done anything worth of substance whatsoever?” (06:37)
• Dana Perino and panel discuss Hollywood’s affinity for trendy causes versus substantive action.

Notable Quote:
Emily Compagno: “...destroyed by the production and the theater, which is what it is. It's kabuki to me.” (06:37)

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3. The Hypocrisy & Psychology of Hollywood

Key Segment: [09:05–12:19]

• Mockery over "stolen land" rhetoric as panelists accuse stars of hypocrisy (living behind gates yet decrying borders).
• Jesse Watters psychoanalyzes celebrities as insecure and desperate to fit in:
  • “They look like adults, but they're actually children... They're frightened and insecure.” (09:34)
  • "Their empathy is purely performative and it's not real." (11:02)
• Celebrities’ embrace of Don Lemon and “performative empathy” is critiqued.
• ICE Achievements vs. Protest:
  • “ICE found 2,700 exploited children. They located 145,000 missing migrant kids while they were doing Adderall and Pilates.”
    (Jesse Watters, 11:45)

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4. Anti-ICE Activism Moves to Doxing

Key Segment: [22:02–29:08]

• Escalation in tactics as activists dox ICE agents, using encrypted apps and websites to leak personal info.
• Violent protest activities noted nationwide.
• Body Cameras on ICE:
  • Greg Gutfeld: “They generally tend to be good for law enforcement because people can't lie about what's happening.” (22:56)
  • Emily Compagno and Harold Ford Jr. call for federal anti-doxing laws to protect agents and urge accountability for illegal protest activity.
• Jesse Watters: “It's not a band, it's a crime family... It's extortion, pretending to be protest.” (25:52)
• Gutfeld explores how protests are designed to “goad” law enforcement or civilians for viral moments, creating dangerous escalation.

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5. Blue State Exodus & Demographic Shifts

Key Segment: [30:41–38:12]

• New census data indicates blue states losing population, threatening Democratic electoral chances.
• CNN Data Nerd: “We got a red state boom going on, a blue state depression going on...” (31:06)
• Dana Perino notes migrants are leaving liberal states for affordability, not "weather" (31:54).
• Harold Ford Jr. pushes back, saying “performance trumps population patterns,” arguing political fortunes are based more on policy performance than migration (33:12).
• Panel explores urban vs. suburban/rural dynamics and the role of economic opportunity and safety.

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6. The Gavin Newsom Media Treatment

Key Segment: [13:14–21:21]

• Satirical discussion of a Vogue puff piece on CA Governor Gavin Newsom.
• Described as “embarrassingly handsome... his hair seasoned with silver, at ease with his own eminence...” (14:29)
• Michael Malice: "They're treating Governor Newsom like a hot chick—writing about his hair, art, and feelings, instead of grilling him on policy." (14:27)
• Greg Gutfeld: “People lost their homes, they lost their lives. And this author's writing a piece with one hand... you didn't ask him about the fires.” (18:03)
• Dana Perino: "He could really benefit from tougher press… the best thing he'd get right now is tougher press because it would make him better." (20:13)

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7. Melania Trump Documentary

Key Segment: [38:26–39:46]

• “Melania: The Movie” opens to box office success.
• Panelists praise Melania’s mystique and independence.
• Emily Compagno: “Whenever the Rotten Tomatoes are like a million and the critics are nothing, you know it's a good film.” (39:46)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Bill Maher (via Dana): “Let me assure you, you are making independents vote Republican.” (02:29)
• Emily Compagno: “It's kabuki to me.” (06:37)
• Michael Malice: “Liberals run the Grammys like Trump runs the border.” (04:32)
• Jesse Watters: "It's not a band. It's a crime family... It's extortion, pretending to be protest." (25:52)
• Dana Perino: "[Newsom] could really benefit from tougher press because it would make him better." (20:13)
• Emily Compagno (on Melania doc): “Whenever the Rotten Tomatoes are like a million and the critics are nothing, you know it's a good film.” (39:46)

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• 00:55–05:17: Grammys go political; ICE protests; Bill Maher's critique
• 05:17–09:05: Effectiveness of celebrity activism, reactions to Jelly Roll vs. Billie Eilish
• 09:05–12:19: Panel skewers Hollywood hypocrisy and mindset
• 13:14–21:21: Vogue’s Gavin Newsom profile, discussion of press bias and political image
• 22:02–29:08: Doxxing ICE agents, escalation of protest tactics, legal implications
• 30:41–38:12: Demographic shifts, census data, implications for Democrats
• 38:26–39:46: Melania Trump documentary's success

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Tone and Style

The episode is marked by biting sarcasm, sharp contrasts between political activism and performative gestures, and frequent humorous or mocking asides. The panel uses satire to critique celebrities' activism and mainstream media coverage of political figures, underscoring their arguments with a blend of mockery and pointed political commentary.

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For Listeners Who Missed the Episode

This episode offers a sharp, humorous, and at times scathing review of Hollywood’s foray into immigration politics, with particular ire for perceived celebrity hypocrisy and ineffectiveness. It further tracks the cultural, legal, and demographic battles that may shape the next decade’s politics—from doxing and law enforcement to shifting electoral maps and media portrayals of rising political stars. The Five’s signature banter and quick-witted style make for a lively interrogation of the week’s hot topics.

Transcript

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[Dana Perino]

Hello everyone. I'm dana perino along with emily compagno, harold ford jr. Jesse waters and greg gutfeld. It's five o' clock in new york city and this is the five.

[Greg Gutfeld]

I think he's terrible. I thought he did a terrible job at the Grant. I thought the whole Grammys was terrible. I watched part of it. It's not watchable, but he was a lousy host. I'd say not as bad as Jimmy Kimmel, but pretty close. And no, he made it.

[Dana Perino]

And that was President Trump just a few minutes ago talking about the Grammys as the music took a backseat to left wing politics. Big names like Justin Bieber joining other celebs in wearing ice out pins and using their acceptance speeches to attack President Trump's immigration agenda.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

Before I say thanks to God, I'm.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Gonna say eyes out.

[Emily Compagno]

No one is illegal on stolen land.

[Dana Perino]

Our voices really do matter and the people matter and say sorry.

[Emily Compagno]

I hope everybody's inspired to join together as a community of artists and speak out against what's going on.

[Jesse Waters]

And I'm gonna leave this and say ice immigrants built this country.

[Dana Perino]

I'm up here as a granddaughter of an immigrant. But not everyone is a fan of the posturing Bill Maher warning Democrats that Hollywood activism does not persuade voters.

[Bill Maher]

Democrats, it's great you have all the big celebs, but people see them as an arm of the Democratic Party which they already suspect for lacking common sense. No, the celebrities mean well and we thank them for having their heart in the right place. But just do you do what you do so well? Use your extraordinary talents for the noble cause of bringing relief from the problems that ribbons and pins can't fix. I know it's very important to you that you feel that you're making a difference. So let me assure you, you are. You're making independents vote Republican.

[Dana Perino]

It was not all just anti ice. And Jelly Roll took home the prize for best contemporary country album and used his time on stage to tell the crowd about his faith.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

I believe that music had the power to change my life and God had.

[Michael Malice]

The power to change my life.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

Jesus is for everybody. Jesus is not owned by political party. Jesus is Jesus and anybody can have a relationship with him.

[Dana Perino]

I love the cutaway to Ariba McEntire. She's a legend. Okay, probably to be expected at the Grammys, but talking about stolen land is almost like on the far. The farthest left of the wokeism spectrum.

[Michael Malice]

So Billie Eilish built a house on the stolen lands and then she won't let any illegal squat on it.

[Emily Compagno]

Right?

[Michael Malice]

Remember what happened when the illegals came to Martha's Vineyard? They brought in the military to kick them out. The music industry tried to act like they have the moral high grounds with immigration. Dana, I watched the Diddy documentary. These people are nasty. Nasty. And you know, also they're the cartel's biggest customer. I mean, they do more blow than Charlie Sheen.

[Jesse Waters]

Watch it.

[Emily Compagno]

Hey, he's clean now.

[Michael Malice]

Now ice keeps families more together than the music business. Trust me, 23andMe couldn't even figure out the family trees in that industry. It's not about the policy. It's more about a protest. Cuz for 4 years you didn't see them wearing pins about loving the open border. They just talked about trans and fauci and Ukraine, whatever was fashionable at the time in order to make themselves feel like they had the moral high ground or something. Feel like they were politically engaged. Liberals run the Grammys like Trump runs the border. You have to show an ID to get in. You have to have merit and you have to have an invitation. They don't even realize that. But what's really going on is this is a now global music industry. The audience is global. That's where the money is. And everybody downloading is Gen Z and mostly women. So that's the target audience to this anti ICE message. The people say, oh, you got to respect their opinion. I do respect their opinion, but I don't value their opinion because their opinion is not informed. If I want to hear a great song, I listen to Lady Gaga. If I want to hear about immigration policy, I listen to Stephen Miller, who also has a great voice. What else can Miller do?

[Dana Perino]

Hey, we may find out. Harold Ford, does Bill Maher have a point to Democrats when he says, guys, this is not persuasive.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

He does. Good to be with everybody. Good to be with you. But here's the thing though. I didn't look, I didn't turn the Grammys on last night. Looking for political affirmation. If you want that, I turn to Fox News. Anyone watching you should do the same. If you want to hear some people who are incredibly talented, can sing, can dance. I thought the Bruno Mars opening to the show was unbelievable. I thought Jelly Roll. I was moved. I never really tweeted. I tweeted, jelly Roll, don't know this guy. What he said was unbelievable. I mean, it moved me in many, many ways, and I hope it moved my pals here at the table as well. The First Amendment. I talked, and Greg gets on me because I remind people, the First Amendment gives everybody a right to free speech, but the First Amendment also gives you the right to turn the station. I would advise everybody that gets offended by these people to just turn the channel on them. And if you're intrigued and entranced by music, if you're intrigued and entranced by movies, the award shows, that's what I'm speaking of, then they're fun to watch. But I don't agree with a lot of things they're saying about politics. But I sure do love watching Bruno Mars sing. So I'm gonna watch it. I'm gonna watch it every year.

[Dana Perino]

What did you think, Emily?

[Emily Compagno]

Well, I did not watch it for that reason. I didn't want to be part of the Nielsen ratings, frankly. And I also don't like to watch great music sort of destroyed by the production and the theater, which is what it is. It's kabuki to me. Today in the elevator, I was riding in a different bank. One of the other corporations here.

[Dana Perino]

Oh, the other one.

[Emily Compagno]

And there was sort of like a very young person there that was obviously getting a tour by someone and they were talking about. Couldn't help but because we were in the same elevator, he was like, oh, yes, I did xyz. And it was. Oh, it was just one of the most amazing experiences of my life. I'm like. It was like the only experience of your life. You're 12. And that is exactly the same sort of like, flip response that I have to all of these celebrities on stage. When you contrast the sentiment and the experience and the credibility behind, for example, Jelly Roll versus Billie Eilish, I think about how Jelly Roll has been incarcerated for many years, in and out. He was a drug addict. He speaks openly about his criminal history, about his drug addiction. And then he is there telling us about his testimony and about being saved by Jesus Christ and what faith does and how his heart has turned because of faith and worshiping the Lord and encouraging others to find that Same freedom. And then you have someone that had a number one album in the whole world by the age of 16, who has so many billions that she can give $12 million to climate change, a project alone, who lectures me about stolen land, but lives comfortably behind gates and a double digit million dollar security bill per year and tells what the law looks like, or how I feel safe, or how I support law enforcement, or where I'm going to put my money and my safety and my family and the faith that I have in these law enforcement, the brave men and women who protect us and protect them, regardless of them trashing it is reflected in the fact that I humbly and quietly don't know everything. But to be lectured by these people whose lives have been buffered and bloated with comfort and with entitlement their entire lives and have the gall to think their pin's actually going to matter or change something. Have they lobbied legislation? Have they done anything worth of substance whatsoever? She, by the way, was homeschooled in a creative arts household and was born and raised in la. I forgot to say that when I talked about the entitlement. So the cushion and the petri dish these people exist in who think they have the nerve to lecture me. I was watching something different.

[Dana Perino]

Are those the pins? What pins were they wearing for the Golden Globes. They also had pins. Oh, be good, Be good.

[Michael Malice]

Oh, yeah.

[Dana Perino]

Remember those? The pin industry is doing well in Hollywood.

[Jesse Waters]

I don't want to be a hypocrite, Dana. So I have to point out that this show is being filmed on stolen land. This used to be Glenn Beck's studio. I love Billie Eilish because she managed to be not just stupid on one issue, but stupid on two issues simultaneously. That is, she's up in her game. How can the land be stolen if there is no border?

[Emily Compagno]

Right, Right.

[Jesse Waters]

So she says. She's absolutely amazing. And Jesse, you're right. She has this massive house on stolen land and she has to turn that into a casino because that's the only way forward. I don't expect her to like move out immediately, but turn it into a casino? Let people in. I know she has some stalkers. What's that about? How come she keeps out stalkers? I don't understand this. Not about politic politics at all. It's about Persona. You know, Don Lemon got a standing ovation from them. But it's not about him, you know, because Don is Don. He's an ambulance chaser. But the ambulance is status. It's the people who give it to him, why do they give it to them? If you. You have to understand their children, when they're out there, they look like adults, but they're actually children. They have. They don't really have a background that everybody else does. They're frightened and they're insecure. They're really worried about fitting in. So even though they will dress like a rebel, they will embrace any slogan because deep down they fear that their deficiencies will be exposed. They are basket cases. Every person in there is a basket case, worried about their imposter syndrome and wondering, when will their luck run out? So what they do, it's amazing because everybody thinks of them as standout celebrities. They will do anything to fit in, which is why they went after Nicki Minaj, because she refused to. And by refusing to fit in, they felt like, oh, my God, people can actually see us. They actually could see us for what we are. We're just a bunch of followers and we're terrified. Giving Don Lemon an ovation tells you how much they hate you. The consumer. It was the consumer's church, the person in America's church that. That he stormed, that he scared those children. But they. That he tried to sabotage, but they don't think it that way. Their empathy is purely performative and it's not real. But by embracing him, they piss on them. And I love how transparent they are in their subservient stupidity. I love how they did it so quickly. Boom. Bat signal. While they were doing that, what was going on? We have the lowest murder rate in history. The ICE found 2700 exploited children. They located 145,000 missing migrant kids while they were doing Adderall and Pilates. I mean, they ICE did war in a few days than they will ever do in a lifetime in a lifetime. And maybe that's why they're upset. I think that, you know, ICE rescuing all these kids has put a. Put a real damper in their pipeline of underage sex workers.

[Michael Malice]

Do you recommend Adderall and Pilates?

[Jesse Waters]

Adderall, Pilates.

[CNN Data Nerd]

Never thought of that before.

[Jesse Waters]

You can get the entire program done in 10 minutes.

[Dana Perino]

Speed.

[Michael Malice]

Pilates.

[Jesse Waters]

Jesus.

[Dana Perino]

Yes, Jesus is my new YouTube channel. Okay, up next is Gavin Newsom too handsome for hard questions? Jesse will answer. Some folks at Vogue apparently think so.

[Emily Compagno]

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[Emily Compagno]

Looks like the liberal press is already gushing over greasy Vogue, giving Gavin Newsom a glossy spread profile ahead of his new memoir, which, I kid you not, you guys, the first line in the piece says this quote, I can't even read this. I want to throw up. Let's get this out of the way. He is embarrassingly handsome, his hair seasoned with silver, at ease with his own eminence as he delivers his final State of the State address. And the puffery doesn't stop there. The New Yorker praising Newsom for, quote, playing the long game. And the New York Times is insisting that Americans should know that he, quote, struggled growing up. The governor speaking to Bloomberg over the weekend and remaining Coy over his 2028 aspirations.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

He'll trump be known in years. He's got a few years left. Even if his state of mind is to extend his term and have competitive authoritarian election like Putin, his time of life suggests this term will be up in three. And that gives us an opportunity to turn the proverbial page.

[Emily Compagno]

Okay, Jesse, you were invoked going into this by Dana.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

Yeah.

[Michael Malice]

So the media is treating Gavin Newsom like a woman.

[Dana Perino]

Okay.

[Emily Compagno]

Yes.

[Michael Malice]

He's got the Annie Leibowitz photo shoot. The women are writing about his hair. He styles it after Pierce Brosnan. We found out the title of this Vogue article. Gavin Newsom is setting his own rules. That is the headline of a story about a woman. The copy's incredible. He approaches policy as jazzy. He has a sensitive soul. Each day starts with lemon water, and he consumes nothing but fruit until noon. He studied art history in Rome. He puts his dishes in the dishwasher. Gavin is a person with frailties and failings. Here's my favorite line. The late summer sun bathed Newsom in an oh, so California magic hour glow.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

That's awesome.

[Michael Malice]

And then they compare him to an immaculate windup doll. So it's a female writer who at one point was upset that he leaned away from her during the interview. And the woman managed not to ask him about homelessness, AI and the fires. So here's the challenge for Gavin Newsom. The media is going to treat him like a ditzy hot chick and want to sleep with him and then do their best not to ask him any questions to embarrass him. There's another factor. The media is going to treat him and like the ideal guy for a liberal woman. You know, someone who cleans up after himself, someone who cries a lot, someone who's into art, someone who's into Wine, those kind of people. And so that's gonna be an issue for Gavin. We're gonna have a field day. But I'm just pissed because Gavin would have made the best Republican. Look at him. If Gavin was born in Texas, imagine he's pro business. He's throwing out the first pitch at a baseball game. He's making fun of people. Like, this guy would be incredible. But apparently something went wrong with his brain growing up, and he's a Democrat, and he's just gonna have to live with it.

[Emily Compagno]

All right, Harold, you were tagged in.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

So I think two things. First, we spent a lot of time talking about this guy.

[Michael Malice]

Yeah.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

And this is a great thing for him. But two things. One, that he has going from. One, we talk about him all the time. Two, he does the best tile snapping.

[Michael Malice]

He wants attention just like a woman.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

And we give it to him.

[Jesse Waters]

And also, Harold, our show is about political topics.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

Fair enough. But we don't talk about any other Democrats. I'm saying this is.

[Jesse Waters]

He's also put in front of us, Harold.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

It's great. This is not critical of us. I'm only saying for his sake. He's in a great position. Two, he does the best towel snapping with Trump. I think they both have a little affection from another. They like one another, and there's an affinity there, but they both know each other's game, and they both kind of like it.

[Jesse Waters]

It's a towel snap.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

Just kind of the locker room stuff.

[Jesse Waters]

Guys, you show me.

[Emily Compagno]

He.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

Now, the third thing he has to get done, Gavin, is the ideas and the answers and be able to show the things he's done in California, how he can apply that to the nation. But I got to tell you, there are a lot of governors and a lot of senators and a lot of congressmen who have some substantive things they've been able to accomplish, but they can't do the first two things this guy's done and that he is doing, he keeps doing what he's doing, and he gets the third piece right. He's going to be a formidable candidate come 2028.

[Emily Compagno]

This is not my block, so I'm holding my tongue. Wait, Greg, you know what I hate?

[Jesse Waters]

What?

[Emily Compagno]

I hate that the lie, the myth has been perpetuated, that he had it hard growing up, that he was poor and no, he a de facto Getty.

[Jesse Waters]

They funded him, for God's sake. And lemon water. What is Don, come over and pee on him.

[Michael Malice]

What does this mean?

[Jesse Waters]

Look, you could always tell how bad a situation is by the extent of the Makeover. You know, it's exactly the same thing they did with Joe and Jill when they would profile him as this elegant team brimming with wisdom and empathy. But it was actually Nurse Ratched wheeling around, you know, Grandpa Walton. There's a. There's a reference. Do you remember Grandpa Walter? Yeah, yeah, Will Gear. Anyway, and then the dumber Kamala seemed, the more they elevated her folks in this. And Tim Waltz, the more kind of Rip Taylor esque he seemed, the more they talked about his masculinity. Meanwhile, Republicans just. They're just called Nazis or they're not covered at all. That's generally what they do. I don't blame Gavin at all for this puffery. It's about Vogue. You know, people lost their homes, they lost their lives. And this author's writing a piece with one hand. She should be eviscerated for this profile. I mean, I don't. I can't imagine, like, when she's done writing this, people like, go, like, that was really amazing. No, they should say, like, you didn't ask him about the fires. What about the latest California health fraud, where 18% of the entire country's health care billings come from one county, Louisiana. Nearly 300 hospices are found in a 2 mile radius of unmarked buildings, strip malls, wrecking yards. This is in California. Meanwhile, people are truly dying. But he's so handsome and adorable. How. How can she write another article? Oh, my God.

[Emily Compagno]

Also, just plain out, if I were him, I would be getting a restraining order against her. Yes, that crossed the line in that way, too. Dana, here's my question. Beto, remember was put on the COVID of Vanity Fair. Is Gavin just like the pet? And people like to look at him and pet him, but they don't take him seriously as a politician.

[Dana Perino]

So I wrote right here, Beto o', Rourke, because when Jesse said, if he'd been born in Texas, then maybe he would have cleaned up. But Beto o' Rourke was the. Was his name Gavin Newsom of Texas?

[Emily Compagno]

Yeah.

[Dana Perino]

And he lost three times.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

Yes.

[Dana Perino]

Gavin, on the other hand, he's won and he beat a recall. And the best thing that he could get right now is tougher press because it would make him better. You think about Tim Walz. Never had tough press, never had a competitive race, walls right in. And then like, all of a sudden, everyone's like, oh, wow, this guy is really terrible. So if he actually had to answer some tougher questions about being governor, u haul, for example, or all the other things that you all have mentioned, I think it would help him a lot. At least. Unlike some of the others, he has been willing to meet with a lot of conservatives. He's done several podcasts and shows. Not Jesse's, though we're hoping that that's going to happen very soon. But until he does that, he is like the Beto o' Rourke of Kamala Harris's.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

We discuss politics on this show. I just wrote that down. I just want to make sure I remember that.

[Jesse Waters]

The reason why I picked on you about that is that people will always say like, well, we're talking about him. And it's like, well, what else are we going to talk about? You know, like, who do you want to talk about?

[Harold Ford Jr.]

I wasn't saying it. I wasn't being critical. I know he loves us talking about him and all. I'm saying he's got the first two down if he gets the issues.

[Emily Compagno]

Yeah, well, hopefully his campaign manager is a female so she doesn't have to worry about. Okay, fine. Up next, apparently protesting isn't enough. Radical activists are now doxing ICE agents, putting their lives in danger.

[Jesse Waters]

Gavin Newsom.

[Emily Compagno]

Doctor, doctor, can't you see our burning burning?

[Michael Malice]

Far left protesters were belting out the anti ice ballads at a target in Minneapolis as the protests spread nationwide over the weekend. Violent chaos from Portland to la. And now the radicals are taking things a step too far. According to reports, protesters are using social media and encrypted messaging apps to track ICE vehicles and agents. While hackers have targeted ICE's surveillance arsenal, leftist foreign agents are doxing nearly 5,000 past and present agents, compiling their personal information on a Wikipedia style website and left wing ProPublica posting the names of the two agents involved in Alex Preddy's death. Meanwhile, Secretary Kristi Noem just announced on X that effective immediately, DHS is deploying body cameras to every officer in the field in Minneapolis. And it looks like the President's on board.

[Greg Gutfeld]

They generally tend to be good for law enforcement because people can't lie about what's happening. So it's generally speaking, I think 80% good for law enforcement. But if she wants to do that, I'm okay with it.

[Michael Malice]

Emily, the body cams. You saw what happened after BLM with the body cams. This could also expose the anti icers just the same way.

[Dana Perino]

Yes.

[Emily Compagno]

And I think for those Democrats that need some type of ground extended to them, I think it could be an important sign of conciliation and consideration. And also in many jurisdictions, it's also, it was already part of the procedure. So I don't see it as a concession on the part of law enforcement to do that. I will say that, you know, I want to make sort of two points here. The first is that, as we know, one of the agents was cbp. And we hear from Hollywood and from everyone, right, to ICE out and demanding that they are dismantled and advocating for their death and threatening them and their families and the like. Well, it's CBP that is helped. Searching for, for example, Savannah Guthrie's enforcement does many different things. And when you advocate foolishly and without any credibility or thought for the extinguishment of an entire group of people that are serving this country, you have zero idea that that's only a part of what they do. And everyone relies on them for so much more than that one slim, tiny point that everyone is harping on. And also, do you guys remember, horrifically, when U.S. district Judge Esther Salas was shot on her doorstep, her son was killed. That same year, there was a law passed in her state, rightly so, that prohibited basically doxxing judges that prohibited publishing their information. Just two years later, there was a federal analog that was passed doing the same. We don't have one that's against doxxing of federal agents. We have a patchwork of laws on the federal side and state side that obviously you can't threaten or impede and use their information to do so. But this is where legislators need to get on board and make it immediately a stiff federal crime to dox these agents. I am tired of seeing toll lines and websites and posters out about if you find anyone's information, send it here and having that somehow exist without penalty, someone is going to die. And please God, let it not happen if these guys are allowed to continue doxing these federal agents.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

Harold, be very brief on this. Peaceful protesting is allowable. Anybody that engages in these kinds of activities, including doxing, including unlawful protesting, should and must be held accountable. I agree with Emily. Federal laws, state laws. We should have a federal law about anybody in law enforcement, for that matter, public office having these kinds of threats and for that matter, facing these kinds of. These kinds of things without these people being held accountable. So I couldn't agree more.

[Michael Malice]

And Greg, you would agree that singing any song in a target should be outlawed.

[Jesse Waters]

You notice that we're nowhere near the beauty section. Yeah, it is funny that these are the same people that are telling ICE not to wear masks. That's why they're wearing masks, you bozos. I feel like they're trying to bring the band back together, you know, the band that made such a splash in 2020, they're dusting off the old instruments, except they've actually practiced. They're doxing. They got the donor money, they got the signal chat. They're getting, getting the street theater together. They're bullying. But it's not a band. It's a crime family. Because what they're doing, it's not. It's extortion, pretending to be protest. If you vote Republican, it's gonna be hard for you to run your business. Cuz we're gonna be out in front. It's gonna be hard for you to get to work. Cause we're gonna block the streets and we're gonna make your kids life hell at school. Because we're the teachers and the administrators and we're gonna let them go out and protest everything there is. The weird thing is we're talking about this doxing. It's bad. But you know what bugs me the most and not enough people talk about it is the goading. You know what I mean? It's like you can't put it into words. But they are goading people. The action isn't a protest. We know that. It's not really agitating. It's. They get. They're goading you to do something. It's an action that is designed to cause a reaction that will then escalate into some kind of tragedy or violence that they filmed. They did this to the Jews on the subways in New York City. Remember the whites at brunch in D.C. during the post George Floyd stuff. They'd get in front of you and they just wanted you to react and then they could like do something. Now it's my turn to turn into Jesse Waters. Why are so many women in this and not men? Why? Dana? Don't answer. It's impossible to goad adult men. We resist, we remain stoic. But women are easier to goad because they're afraid to be ostracized. So they join in the goading. And I'm talking about these liberal women. It's better to be on the side of the goaders that be the goatee. But when you goad somebody, you will meet consequences. Because the people above you that want you to goad, they want those consequences. They want you to be punched, they want you to be shot because that helps them.

[Michael Malice]

It's like when children do that. Dana, I'm not touching you.

[Jesse Waters]

Yes.

[Michael Malice]

I'm not touching you.

[Dana Perino]

So everybody had so many great points. I will add a couple of here. When do you remember Chopped Chaz in Seattle. So Minneapolis is becoming like chopped Chaz. Like if the mayor and the governor are not going to do more, then that's what you're going to end up with. And we'll have the little chiron up above that says Chop Chaz rather than Minneapolis. The other thing is we haven't talked enough about this sheriff in that county. Is it Hennepin county, whatever it's called, that sheriff there, she is one of the people elected who refuses to coordinate with ice. Okay, so when the governor says I'm cooperating and the mayor's like, what are you talking about? I'm cooperating. We have, we need to do more about talking about who is the person that could actually work with Tom Homan to get this done. And it is her. She is she. So that's one thing.

[Greg Gutfeld]

I wonder.

[Dana Perino]

Another thing is no, it's another woman. Exactly. The other thing is these people got what they wanted in a way. Right? They got a change. They got Trump to say we're going to make some changes here. And the border Patrol left. They have all of this signage is all about ice. All of the dark money groups have all the signage. It's all anti ice. What do they have at the Grammys? All anti ice. The Border Patrol are the ones who have left. Why did they leave? Even President Trump said Greg Bovino might have been a little bit too out there. Those are his words. So they won on something and they can't accept that, but they want to make their fellow citizens pay for something. They are the ones being goaded by the dark money advisors that are showing up 10 seconds after Alex Freddie was killed with more anti ice things like guys that wasn't ice. So there's a lot of misinformation and not enough information happening coming in the.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

Third inning, not the seventh.

[Jesse Waters]

Yeah, you know, dark money, that was your stripper name.

[Michael Malice]

Coming up next, Joe Biden might have been the last Democrat to ever wander around the White House.

[Dana Perino]

Flag at sunrise.

[Jesse Waters]

In your face, Herald. Democrats may never win again. That's the end of the story if these 2030 census projections hold up. According to new data, Democrats are likely to lose at least 10 House seats as folks bail on high state blue states for red state sanity. And that could spell doom for any Democrat trying to cross two hundred and 70 electoral votes. CNN's Data Nerd is breaking it down.

[CNN Data Nerd]

Should set off a flashing red siren to Democrats nationwide. The biggest population growth this decade. All five of the states states that Donald Trump, Donald John Trump won the lowest Domestic net migration this decade. All five of the states, states that were won by Kamala Harris In 2024, we got a red state boom going on, a blue state depression going on, people moving from the blue states to the red states. And if it holds for 2030, well, it would make the Democratic nominee for president's job of winning the Electoral College that much more difficult.

[Jesse Waters]

I could see him doing Pilates and Adderall. Dana, you know, people are leaving these liberal dystopians, these sanctuary cities for something that's not like that. But then they bring their ideas with them.

[Dana Perino]

Not necessarily. See, yes, sometimes. And I think Colorado is a very good example of that. When I was a kid growing up, that was a reliably red state. And when they talk about the californication of Colorado, then what do you have? You have definitely reliably blue state. It, like, went. It just passed right over purple. It goes back to governor.

[Jesse Waters]

U haul.

[Dana Perino]

There's nobody in California that is leaving because they're sick of sunshine and beaches and the sports teams and the good weather. They're leaving because they cannot take it anymore. They can't afford to live there, and they want a better life for themselves. I think it's very interesting if you look ahead, if you're somebody like a Harry Anton who says, I'm just trying to be the warning. I'm just warning you guys that this is what's going to happen. Do you know how hard it is when, like, Hemmer's at the board and we're like, who's going to get to 270 if elections become much, much easier for Republicans because of this? That is just real world consequences for terrible policies.

[Jesse Waters]

Exactly. And so, Harold, I want to go to you next, and I hope that you surprise me with your answer. So do you think we might be undergoing a natural, kind of, like, inevitable split, like a peaceful split, where the people who just don't like liberal policies are going to move here and the people that are rich enough to endure liberal policies stay?

[Harold Ford Jr.]

I hope not. I think what Dana said is something we should take into account. I remember when New York and California, in my lifetime both had Republican governors. I'm a believer that performance means a lot more, and I'll use the word, no pun intended. Performance trumps population patterns all the time. President Trump was a unique and transformational figure in politics. He got union households in Michigan, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania to vote for him. These are the same states that less than 15 years ago, Barack Obama won in 2012 and 2008. Bill Clint in my lifetime was transformed into Democrat because he helped everyday working class white Americans come back to the party after Ronald Reagan famously got Reagan Democrats in Michigan and Pennsylvania to vote for him. At the end of the day, it's always about performance. Ask the Republican state Senate candidate in Texas who lost the district that President Trump had won by 17 points. She lost by 31 points. I mean by 14 points. A 31 point turnaround. I'm not saying the Democrats should read any more into this than this one thing. Republicans are not performing the way they promised they would in the campaign. So as much as moving patterns may and population patterns may determine things, I think people are going to go where the cost of living is good, where the weather is good, where their kids like it, where they can get into good schools, their kids can be educated, health care is reasonable, housing is reasonable, and if you happen to be a state that nominated or voted for Republican the last time, so be it. If it happens to be one where Democrat won, so be it. Performance trumps population.

[Jesse Waters]

But Emily, Harold conveniently ignores the fact that all the blue cities suck.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

I don't know of any.

[Jesse Waters]

Well, I'd rather, I mean, no, I mean in terms of taxes and I mean, do we have any red cities?

[Harold Ford Jr.]

We have red states.

[Jesse Waters]

Yeah, we have red states. But are there red cities even in.

[Dana Perino]

Nashville is not a red city.

[Jesse Waters]

No, it's not a red city. You guys run all the cities. San Diego, maybe. San Diego, it used to be.

[Emily Compagno]

Yeah, yeah, I just see that, you know, the point about performance, like people don't uproot their lives for slogans. They uproot their lives because they realize that they're sick and tired of living in a 5 foot by 5 foot rat invested socialist crap hole. They want their children to be educated without being told that they can't put a bible in their backpack. I mean, the, the freedom that people exercise during COVID to say, oh, thank God, I don't have to live here, I don't have to commute. You know, physically, I can move to a red state where my kids can have a choice of where to go to school and where I can live in a normal house and where I can be safe and I'm not subjected to this trash. When you actually interview everyone that lives in these cities, they either have enough money to be able to say, well, it doesn't really affect me, they get to stay in cars, they don't get to ride the subway, they don't have to sort of rub elbows with all of the psychopaths. That are in or the protesters that are in every town or they are in poverty and they can't afford to move where they're stuck in a job that they can't leave.

[Jesse Waters]

So tell me about it.

[Emily Compagno]

The thing is to remember is that Republicans have that $100 million advantage in their coffers right now. So even if we think that they're not delivering on certain things, they have that they have that which is going to be so huge for protecting incumbents and growing ground while Dems just hide behind hashtags.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

Performance. Performance trumps population pattern is not a slogan. It's a fact. That's what people. People move to the places where they believe they're going to have their best lives, and they vote for the people who are going to affirm and perpetuate those lives. And it can be a Democrat or a Republican, but if anyone stays trapped in a notion that Democrats run the worst things, Republicans run the best things, I would just argue with you that history, the history of America, proves you wrong.

[Jesse Waters]

My theory.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

I'm sorry, I should talk. My bad, brother.

[Jesse Waters]

Harold, calm down. We're gonna have to ask you to leave. I hate it when it gets like this, Jesse. Isn't it kind of more like an age thing where people flock to the city? I'm gonna go to New York. I'm gonna go to Los Angeles. And then all of a sudden, maybe they get married and if they're lucky, they settle down and then they go, I gotta get the hell out of here because I can't live a normal life here.

[CNN Data Nerd]

Right?

[Michael Malice]

And they move out. It's called voting with your feet. And that doesn't mean you stick your big toe and punch the ballot. That means it's figuratively, Greg.

[Jesse Waters]

Oh, thank you.

[Michael Malice]

The also problem the Democrats have is they're sucking all these migrants out. And the migrants are counted in the census. So that's why Democrats are fighting to the death to keep these people in, no matter whether they've killed people or not. And the SCOTUS has big rulings on race and big rulings on birthright citizenship that could also destroy Democrat power. So they have two choices. You guys are either gonna have to reopen the border, deliver amnesty to everybody, make D.C. and Puerto Rico a state, or you might have to reach across the aisle, Harold, and maybe persuade people that your policies are better instead of just importing vot voters.

[Jesse Waters]

Yeah, maybe. Actually. Your choice on some ideas, Harold. In your face.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

Keep winning, though.

[Jesse Waters]

Up next, the Melania doc shocks Hollywood.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

Welcome back. Despite the haters Melania, the movie crushed it at the box office, earning $7 million during opening weekend, which makes up the highest opening for a non music documentary in over a decade. Dp, There's a mystery to her. I mean, there's something so interesting about her policy issues, obviously her history and in fashion. What do you make of this?

[Dana Perino]

Well, I think what I liked when she was here, she talked about how it was so different for her. But you could tell she's got a business oriented mind. She's very good at marketing. She has a style that people, I think are fascinated with. And what I really liked is she said, sometimes I talk about things and sometimes I'm silent and you can read into it whatever you want. She doesn't care what you think necessarily about how she's reacting. She is fully her own person and had a great moment and a great time at the box office. So the highest rated documentary, highest grossing documentary in I think a decade.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

Yeah.

[Jesse Waters]

When you, you know, it's amazing. The film that beat this movie at the box office was called Iron Lung, which I thought was about Joe Biden's current loc.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

What do you think about this?

[Michael Malice]

I'm reading a book about how to manipulate people's emotions. And one of the things they say to be successful is to be mysterious and not give all of yourself all of the time to other people.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

Says something with that. Let Emily give a final word on this.

[Emily Compagno]

The delta in between the two could not be more huge. These critics call this chillingly vain, empty and foul. They could not be more wrong. Whenever the Rotten Tomatoes are like a million and the critics are nothing, you know, it's a good film.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

One More Thing is up next.

[Dana Perino]

It's time for One More Thing.

[Emily Compagno]

Greg.

[Jesse Waters]

All right, we got Emily Compagno, Michael Malice, Dave Landau and Tyrus.

[Dana Perino]

Hey, and Jesse.

[Michael Malice]

All right, we're going to go through our cultural festivities this time, America. It's not just the foreigners that are fruity. This is what we do on Groundhog Day in Pennsylvania. Punxsuttoni. Phil, guess what? It's gonna be still chilly tonight. Primetime Dan Bongino, Sage Steele and Johnny Bellisario.

[Jesse Waters]

Oh, now he gets his full name.

[Emily Compagno]

I was at the MSG fight when Jerrell Miller got his toupee knocked off. This is my video of the reaction at msg. Everyone died. We were, I was literally screaming like, oh, my God, wait, this isn't my video. My video show. That's my video showing. Everyone is roaring with laughter.

[Jesse Waters]

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