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Will Kane
Hello everyone. I'm Will Kane along with Joey Jones, Jessica Tarlov, Katie Pavlich and Charlie Hurt. It's five o' clock in New York City and this is the Fox FOX News Alert. The two biggest alphas on the planet meeting President Trump and President Vladimir Putin on the ground in Alaska for a historic high stakes summit to potentially end the brutal war in Ukraine. The images really breathtaking. The world leaders walking off their planes and onto a long red carpet where they shook hands with the American president. Coming face to face with the former KGB agent. A B2 stealth bomber and F35 fighter jet buzzing overhead, buzzing Putin as a reminder of America's unrivaled dominance in the world. Putin then hitching a ride in the Beast with President Trump. A little solo time before 3 in Anchorage, Alaska. Jackie.
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Janice Dean
Good to see you guys. That short ride in what we know as the Beast, the president's limousine might be the only time these two leaders see each other one on one. After both the Russian side and the US side added officials to meeting, you have Secretary of State Marco Rubio and Ambassador Steve Wyckoff, the envoy to the Middle east who's been handling all of these negotiations, joining President Trump on the US side. And on the Russian side, Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov and a foreign policy aide is going to be joining Putin. The two sides are in that meeting now. They will then go to a bilateral expanded lunch that will include the Secretary of the Treasury, Treasury, Secretary of Commerce, Secretary of Defense and Chief of Staff Susie Wiles. We know President Trump is really holding out for a Cease fire. He says that he won't be satisfied if that doesn't happen today, because his biggest goal in this meeting is to get a second meeting on the agenda, one that includes Ukrainian President Zelensky, where the two sides can get down to brass tacks and what peace looks like. And Ukraine and also Europe have set out a red line that without a seizure fire, that second meeting is not going to be possible. We have been monitoring how Russia is characterizing this meeting, and we've heard them basically describe it as an opportunity for Russia to lay out its arguments for Putin's pursuit of this war, to lay out the stakes that. That they want to achieve and explain their position, as has been noted, to Steve Witkoff. That was a comment that came from Sergei Lavrov, who notably arrived in. In Alaska wearing a sweatshirt that had a reference to the USSR emblazoned on the front of it, a not so subtle reference to Putin's ambitions to reconstitute the former Soviet Union. So we know that President Trump is hoping for the best, but also preparing for the worst. He has those sanctions, secondary sanctions in his back pocket that he is not afraid to use, which he believes brought Putin to the negotiating table when he threatened 50% tariff tariffs on India, a major purchaser of Russian oil. He's ready to do the same with China if things don't go right and if that meeting does not go how he wants. You will only see one leader up here at the podium behind me, and all of these mic checks in Russian and the interpretation boxes that they have been making sure are functioning would all be for nothing, because you'll only see President Trump come out here in that case. But we are prepared for both, and the President certainly wants to, to see that happen, guys.
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Will Kane
All right, thank you, Jackie. Meanwhile, back here in New York City to the table, all we have been able to see so far is the first couple of moments, really, the pageantry of both men leaving their planes, shaking hands on the red carpet. But I do think there's a lot of meaning in those first moments, Charlie. I think that those moments, quite honestly, at least in aesthetics, were owned by President Trump. I mean, he literally towered over Vladimir Putin. He seemed like the host. He is the host. And the B2 bombers flying overhead were an incredible display of strength.
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Charlie Hurt
That was amazing. And they may very well have been a couple of the B2 bombers that we sent over to Iran to bomb Iran's nuclear facilities, which, of course, was at least partly funded by this man right here in this country. So it was extraordinary. But, of course, you know, the military might, as important as all that that is, I don't think is the only thing that brought Putin to the table. What brings Putin to the table is President Trump's willingness to use what I would argue is even maybe more powerful than our military, which is our economic might. And Vladimir Putin, along with other world leaders, have come to realize that Donald Trump is somebody who means what he says, whether he's talking about the military or. Or whether he's talking about using economic leverage. One of my favorite things, I mean, my favorite thing was the B2 bombers going overhead. It was extraordinary. And if you get the wide screen shot, you could see Putin kind of looking up like this as they fly over. He had to have a moment of wondering, like, oh, my goodness, did I just walk into something? But the other thing that I loved was that as soon as they got into the Beast and rolled out the fuel trucks, rolled up to Air Force One and began refueling Air Force One as a reminder that if President Trump doesn't like what he sees in the first couple of minutes, he's gone.
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Will Kane
Well, and it seems, Katie, though, that that's not been the case and that we could be optimistic. We're roughly two hours into this meeting, and although the threat was on the table that President Trump could walk away, you would almost have thought that might have happened by now.
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Katie Pavlich
And you'd think he wouldn't go all the way there to have this big meeting for almost four years into this war for him just to walk out. I mean, making off the plan with documents and a plan. This is not something that's just thrown together very clearly a process here. And with all the visuals that we saw today of the initial meeting here, my reaction was this just screams, we're doing this on America's terms. They're doing it in Alaska, which is a place that Russia sold to America in the 1800s in part to pay for the Crimean War that they lost. The President is saying, we're not going to meet in a neutral place like Switzerland to try and make a meeting, to have a meeting. They're here to get results. And the lead up into this, just over the past few months, I mean, the President went to NATO in the Hague in June and came out of that with 5% commitments from every single NATO country except for Spain. When he first took office, they were all screaming and whining about having to pay more, that there was this threat that President Trump was the one who was going to end NATO, when really he was just reinforcing it. And it took Russia invading Ukraine for the Europeans to wake up, to pay their fair share, to take responsibility for dealing with the threat on their doorstep, on their continent. And then finally, he's been able to squeeze the Russians economically by putting America first, by drilling more here at home, by getting $750 billion in the EU economic deal that was not able to be done in the Biden term because of the climate change agenda they were pushing. And, of course, India. President Trump has a great relationship with India, but he said, you're fueling Russia's war. We want this war to end.
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Jessica Tarlov
We want.
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Katie Pavlich
We're all tired. The war has been a stalemate for a long, long time. So he's really. President Trump has forced the Europeans to step up while putting America first and getting America to benefit from this. And hopefully, long term, people will stop being killed and we'll be able to move forward with some kind of second meeting and ultimately a ceasefire and a peace agreement.
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Will Kane
And that pressure seems to have worked. Vladimir Putin asked for this meeting. And, Jessica, I think in every commentator, you hear a righteous amount of guarded optimism, maybe some skepticism, because Vladimir Putin has not held to his word so many times. However, he did ask for this meeting. And so I think there is a reason for optimism.
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Jessica Tarlov
I hope so. Listen, I can be a bit of a Pollyanna about these things, and I think that there are certain accomplishments, especially in foreign policy under the Trump administrations, that have been great, like the Abraham Accords. And you don't meet a Republican or a Democrat who doesn't say that that's a good thing. So, you know, great, like, let's do it. I hope that this goes well. We'll say, though, about Putin asking for this meeting. There was some sort of miscommunication that happened with special envoy Steve Witkoff, where he said that Putin was signaling that he wanted to make some concessions. And I've been watching, you know, we always put up the asks, like what Zelinsky wants and what Putin want. The Putin column has never changed. The Ukrainians have had to adjust, right, and say, okay, we will cede some territory. Maybe I can live without Naito if you give us another kind security guarantee. And, you know, we are the host. I didn't particularly like that the press secretary said, we're honored to have him. You're not honored to have a war criminal. You're not honored to have a dictator. You're going to do it because you want to try to get to a peace agreement. But that part of it Wasn't great. But you have these dueling images and Donald Trump standing there, strong, he's bigger than him. Those kinds of things matter. But Putin is still smiling. He's a KGB agent. He always has something up his sleeve. I'm not saying it's plutonium, but I mean, this is a guy that doesn't care who he kills or what he does. So I am optimistic, but obviously skeptical, especially without Zelensky being there.
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Will Kane
I agree with you. All of these little stylistic elements, they.
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Jessica Tarlov
Matter, and he thinks about them all the time.
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Will Kane
Both men think about them all the time. So it's not so much whether or not Will Kane or Jessica Tarlov believe these matter, but the two men getting ready to leave those planes think they matter.
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Jessica Tarlov
But Vladimir Putin is a killer and Donald Trump isn't. And that's a different level. Speaking about it. I mean, I'm not talking about.
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Will Kane
There's a lot of people in Iran that would probably suggest that that might be different, that you might be undercutting the President of the United States on the willingness to.
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Jessica Tarlov
I don't think he likes to argue this one. I'm paying him a compliment.
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Will Kane
Well, you're using it only in a derogatory way. I'm talking about as your willingness to defend your values in your country. I don't think anybody could.
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Jessica Tarlov
As a stone cold American killer in the. I never killed anyone directly. Since I'm saying Putin, like, kills people.
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Will Kane
I think he's a leader willing to do that, pay the ultimate price for everyone in America. But I want to make sure. I want to get Joey in here as well.
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Joey Jones
Go ahead.
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Charlie Hurt
Also, on the tie game, Trump successfully matched the carpet better than Putin did.
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Trey Gowdy
Joey, the carpet matches the tie. Okay, listen, is Donald Trump a killer? I don't know.
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Jessica Tarlov
Just leave it.
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Trey Gowdy
I don't care if that's the argument for this entire hour. We're in a good spot, but I think we'll go in other places. There's something that Lt. Col. Dave Grossman talks about in the book on killing, and I talk about this book a lot because it shaped my outlook on how interspecies conflict works. And he says, you know, usually when we go together, we're fight or flight, but there's nuances to that called posture and submission. And just to go like you said, that Caroline Leavitt said, we're honored to have him. And to take the time to point that out to me isn't. That doesn't do anything. Words don't really matter. Similarly, when the Biden administration says Don't. Those words didn't matter. Nobody listened to them. And here we are. When this administration says we're honored to have him here, whatever. You're throwing red meat at somebody that you want to get to the table and then have a conversation with, who cares? Actions matter. President Trump has consistently said, I don't want to start wars and consistently been able and willing to do the difficult things to send missiles into places, to bomb Iran in order to prevent wars. So in this moment, I have faith in President Trump and his administration, Witkoff included, our Secretary of Defense included, to get us to a better place. But when we talk about who's desperate, who cares, who does this matter most to? Ukraine's sovereignty is not America's sovereignty. That's just the truth. Ukraine's sovereignty should matter much more to NATO than it does to the European countries of NATO than it does to us. Part of President Trump's getting elected to was to end wars, but also end the spending on wars. That was a very hot topic. The amount of money we spend on wars that were not fighting. And on top of that, when Zelensky came here, it wasn't Zelensky wanting help winning this war. It was Zelensky very self righteously saying, you owe it to us in not so many words to fund this war for us. That really bothered President Trump and Vice President Vance. So I think that Putin has much more disparity in coming here than President Trump has. If Putin walks away and says no deal, President Trump continues his life of trying to make this country a better place, Putin has to go back to his people and say why they need to send a thousand more bodies to the front line. I don't know that there's any kind of deal going to come from this. And we need to understand there's a big difference between a cease fire and an ending of the invasion. And a cease fire is President Trump's stated goal with this meeting. Probably another meeting after it. That's. That's just step one. I think it was Dan Hoffman that was on earlier that said this looks more like the beginning than the end. And I think that's absolutely true.
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Will Kane
All right. All right, up next, our special coverage of the high stakes Trump Putin summit continues. Brett Baier joins us next with an exclusive interview with the president.
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Katie Pavlich
Right now, President Trump and Vladimir Putin are locked in a face to face showdown that could finally end the war in Ukraine. The working lunch of the expanded delegation has not started yet and the Kremlin says the talks could last for a minimum of six to seven hours. Bret Baier was on Air Force One with President Trump and here's a preview of the interview airing at 6pm so.
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Bret Baier
What are your expectations? I mean, is the goal of this meeting in Alaska to walk away with a cease fire? I'd like to see a cease fire. I wouldn't be thrilled if I didn't get it, but everyone says you're not going to get the ceasefire. It'll take place on the second meeting. The second meeting is going to be very.
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Joey Jones
But I'm not going to be happy with that.
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Bret Baier
So we'll see what happens. I'm going to be, I won't be happy if I walk away without some form of a cease fire.
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Katie Pavlich
Now Brett Baird joins us live from Anchorage, Alaska. Brett, great to see you. And you've been on Air Force One a number of times. Looked like today you had some special access.
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Bret Baier
Yeah, I definitely did. Katie, great to see you and all of you. Usually I was, whenever I traveled on Air Force One, I was back in the pool section where the reporters sit. Today was a little bit more upfront as I'm showing you there on the hallways next to The Cabinet Room and, and the office obviously was the place for the interview. And listen, the President says he really wants, wants a cease fire. He'd be not happy if it wasn't a cease fire. I don't think he'd be happy with the Kremlin's characterization of six to seven hours. He's not ready for six to seven hours of this. I think he wants to get an assessment of Putin, really see if he can get something done and then, and then move on to the second meeting whenever they can schedule that and hopefully soon. I just want to point out that the biggest moment and Air Force One is just over my shoulder here in the, the back at Elmendorf Richardson. The biggest moment here was when the two leaders walked out and at that moment they shake hands and walk down the red carpet and then the B2 bomber flies over and just the imagery of that and the sound and they both look up at it. And then to think that just recently, weeks ago, B2 bombers made that 36 hour trek for, from Whiteman Air Force Base in Missouri to drop bombs, bunker buster bombs, on the Iranian nuclear facilities. It carries a message and it carried a message I think today, symbolically.
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Charlie Hurt
You know, Brett, it's so amazing to watch these images and to think, you know, this meeting hadn't been on the books that long. It was only a six hour flight and apparently about an hour of it was taken up by, with talking to you. It's amazing the amount of stagecraft that goes into this stuff. And you can't help but wonder because it is so on point, as it always is with Trump, is this, is all this stagecraft completely directed by him personally. Did you get a sense of how much, I mean, of an effort went into that?
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Bret Baier
Charlie, I think you're north of 80%. He talked about calling up the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs and saying, I want the, these F22s and the B2 and a flyover. And all of that was in his mind. I mean, he is not only a real estate developer, but also a TV guy who I think plays for the dramatic moment. And he created a dramatic moment. Now if he's creating the moment behind the scenes like he created in front, they could have some success here. I'll tell you. There was this sense of optimism, guys. There really was this. And I've listened to the pessimism and maybe Putin is not a guy to trust ever, but the President really thinks that, that Putin's back is up against the wall economically and that he eventually wants to get out of this war.
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Will Kane
Well, that's actually what I was going to ask you about, Brett. You had unprecedented access to the world's most powerful man before this all important summit, sitting there together on Air Force One. We've seen clips already throughout the day. In about 39 minutes, we'll get to see the interview on Special Report. But give me a sense of his, his attitude. I hear you saying he was optimistic. Did you get any sense on. I know he wants to find a second meeting and he needs a framework to get to that second meeting. Do you have any details at all of what that could mean for President Trump?
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Bret Baier
Well, you know, we talked in the last hour about how much setup really went into this and obviously the drama and, and painting the picture all went to Trump. But, you know, he sent Steve Wykoff, his negotiator, who has been dealing with the Middle east but also with Russia six times and there were personal meetings with Putin. They got along. The chief negotiator on the Russian side talked nonstop to Steve Wyckoff to the point where I talked to him on the plane. He said he talked to the guy, the Russian, yesterday, six times yesterday as they were, were setting this up. So it's hard to believe that they don't have some framework heading in to get somewhere and whether they can get there without either one walking away. We're now almost at two hours behind the scenes, so one would think it's at least moving forward.
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Jessica Tarlov
Hey, Brad, it's Jesse. Fabulous coverage thus far. The plane looks awesome. I have never been on there. I've been on the TV screen on there, but not live. I'm curious if you, if you have a sense of how President Trump is feeling about Zelensky at this moment, if all fences have been mended from the Oval Office blow up and if he is really in sync with the other Naito partners right now in terms of what they're looking for, if we can get to a deal.
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Bret Baier
Yeah, that's a great question. But first of all, I want to point out that I asked the Hillary.
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Jessica Tarlov
Clinton I know and I, I did from your point podcast, you rock. That was so generous of you. And if she has to nominate him for all going to die, basically.
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Bret Baier
Okay, that's right. It's a great question that you ask. I think he had a number of good meetings. He had a great meeting with Zelensky in the Vatican. He had a couple of great phone calls where in his words, they were really succinct and, and kind of he thought he, he got through to Zelinsky. But then Zelinsky came back and said as they were getting push comes to shove of what, what he's willing to do, that he didn't have the constitutional authority to talk about land swaps or how that was going to work. And you know, the president got frustrated saying, you've been at this for three years. I mean, why? Why don't you have the authority to do that? So there was frustration. I don't think he, you know, loves Zelensky as far as his interactions, but he appreciates what he's been through and the fact that he's held off the Russians for as long as he has. I think the bottom line is the president really wants to get this over with, like the war over with. And believe it or not, the first lady, Melania Trump is instrumental in talking about some of the death inside Kiev and has had an impact in talking about after phone calls that were positive with Putin and the missiles hitting kids and women.
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Katie Pavlich
That's also a story I'm sure we will see more of. Brett, watching your coverage today has been amazing. Thank you for giving everybody in the audience a view into these historic events today. Thank you very much.
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Charlie Hurt
You bet.
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Bret Baier
See ya.
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Katie Pavlich
And be sure not to miss his interview tonight with President Trump at 6 o' clock on Air Force One. But here up next is 47 ready to drop the hammer on Russia if Putin won't end the war.
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Will Kane
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Trey Gowdy
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Will Kane
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Janice Dean
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Will Kane
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Joey Jones
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Charlie Hurt
The Maker Break sit down between President Trump and Vladimir Putin is happening right now as we speak. The president said he'd rather talk than slap on new Russia sanctions. And that's because he thinks Putin actually respects America.
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Mike Pompeo
I think he respects our country now.
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Joey Jones
He didn't respect it under Biden.
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Mike Pompeo
He respected nobody respected us under Biden.
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Charlie Hurt
But he respects our country now.
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Joey Jones
And we have the hottest country anywhere in the world.
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Charlie Hurt
But where do Republicans land if Putin won't play ball and end the war? Let's ask Senator Ted Cruz, a member of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee. Senator Cruz, thanks for joining us. So what does happen if Putin doesn't end the war?
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Joey Jones
Well, Charlie, I think this war is going to end and it is going to end this year. President Trump was elected. He came in with an intention to end this war, and he's working hard to do that. I think the way to end the war is exactly how President Trump is approaching it, which is from strength. One of the many problems under Joe Biden is we had four years of an incredibly weak commander in chief where Biden's foreign policy was appeasement, and it ended up encouraging all our enemies. It encouraged Putin, it encouraged Iran, it encouraged Communist China, it encouraged Venezuela. Where President Trump is, he is looking to end this war. I think you are going to see. We've already seen an end to billions of dollars coming from the United States to Ukraine to just shoveling cash at that war. I think it will end with a negotiated settlement. And, Charlie, what I've urged President Trump is it needs to end in a way that is a clear and discernible loss for Russia. Putin is not our friend. He is a KGB thug. And I think the way to negotiate an end to this war is what Trump is doing, which is negotiating from strength.
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Trey Gowdy
Senator, you just invoked a big campaign talking point, which is this idea that billions of dollars are going to Ukraine. A lot of Americans felt like they didn't have a say in it, and they were upset about it, not necessarily defending Ukraine, but doing it that way. I know that a lot of that were conventional military, conventional U.S. military weapons. We had cash that were sent there, and then we passed funding to replenish that, and hopefully that's what we're doing. If Putin walks away from this, other than sanctions, what cards are left on the table other than doubling down on supporting Ukraine in its military effort? And if that's the case and you guys have to vote to spend more money, do you support that? Are Republicans in the Senate and Congress, are they having that conversation?
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Joey Jones
Yeah. The votes aren't there. The gravy train is over. We have sent billions and billions of dollars to Ukraine, and I can tell you it's not passing the House, it's not passing the Senate, and President Trump is not going to support it. This is going to end now. What is really frustrating is this war didn't have to happen. This was an unnecessary war. It was Joe Biden's incredible weakness that caused the Ukraine war. There were two immediate causes of the Ukraine war. Number one, Biden's disastrous withdrawal in Afghanistan. That was so incompetent, that was such a debacle that every enemy of America looked to the Oval Office and took the measure of the Commander in chief and decided he was weak and ineffective. And that was a major factor encouraging Putin to invade Ukraine. But then secondly, Putin didn't wake up yesterday and decide he wanted to invade Ukraine. He has talked for decades. He has said the greatest geopolitical disaster of the 20th century, in his opinion, is the dissolution of the Soviet Union. And Putin wants to reassemble the Soviet Union. If you want to do that, Ukraine is the obvious first place to start. Now, President Trump's foreign policy prevented Putin from invading Ukraine. How did he do so? Because we impose strong sanctions on Nord Stream 2, the undersea pipeline that Putin was building from Russia to Germany. I wrote those sanctions. I'm the author of those sanctions. They got overwhelming bipartisan support in Congress. President Trump signed them into law and Putin stopped building Nord Stream 2. Literally the day that President Trump signed my sanctions legislation into law. When Joe Biden became President, he waived the sanctions on Nord Stream 2. He gave Putin and Russia a multi billion dollar gift. And the reason that caused the war is Putin had refrained from invading Ukraine because he didn't want to damage the natural gas pipelines that run through Ukraine. Nord Stream 2 was designed to circumvent Ukraine so Putin could get his gas to Europe. Biden let him do that. I think President Trump, when he came in, Putin realized he no longer has a pushover in the White House. That is the way to resolve this war, which is a position from strength. I also think it's critical that any resolution, Nord Stream 2, remains shut down. And I'll tell you, when I meet with our European allies, a question I ask them over and over again is I say, when the war in Ukraine is over, where are you going to get your energy from? And the answer needs to be not Russia, but we're going to get our energy from the United States that is better for Europe and it's better for America. That is an America first answer and it's what we need to be pushing for.
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Katie Pavlich
Senator Katie palace here. Thanks so much for coming on the show. So we've seen the President say that if Vladimir Putin doesn't come to the table with a ceasefire to get to another meeting with Ukrainian President Zelensky, that there will be severe economic consequences. You just mentioned sanctions that are already in place on Russia, including some of the people who are with Putin there today, who have been sanctioned individually by the United States in some of these meetings. What can Congress do specifically more to back up President Trump's threats of economic, you know, more economic consequences given he's used trade, he's used this new deal with the EU $750 billion in trade, squeezing India on energy. What can Congress do specifically to back up the president's words?
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Joey Jones
So, Katie, it's a great question. There's a lot more Congress can do. We have a bill in the senate that has 85 senators supporting it. I'm supporting it. That imposes strong sanctions on Russia. And this is a bill that we drafted working hand in hand with President Trump and the White House. It gives the president additional tools, secondary sanctions to impose additional economic pain on Russia. Now, to be clear, the objective is not simply to impose those sanctions to punish Russia. The objective rather is to incentivize Putin to say, enough is enough, the war is over. That's the outcome we want, is for this war to be over, but we also want it to end in a way that Putin is not stronger, he's not more dangerous, he's not a greater threat to the United States. I think the singular focus on addressing this war is how does it impact American national security interest? And Vladimir Putin is not our friend. We don't want Putin stronger, we want him weaker. But we're not willing to just keep writing a blank check forever to Ukraine to just keep fighting forever and ever and ever.
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Charlie Hurt
It turns out that an America first posture is the answer to basically all of our world problems. Senator Cruz, thank you so much for joining us.
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Joey Jones
Thanks, Charlie.
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Charlie Hurt
Up next, we'll dig into how President Trump can checkmate Putin, the former KGB spymaster.
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Trey Gowdy
Have a great.
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Joey Jones
Hey, I'm Trey Gowdy, host of the Trey G Podcast. I hope you will join me every Tuesday and Thursday as we navigate life together and hopefully find ourselves a little bit better on the other side. Listen and follow now@fox newspodcast.com.
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Will Kane
You don't.
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Jessica Tarlov
Know how lucky you are back in the U.S. back in the U.S. president Trump is still sitting down with Vladimir Putin. Experts warn that the Russian president, who is a former KGB officer, will use every trick in the book to sway Trump at the summit. Let's bring in former Secretary of State Mike Pompeo. It's great to see you, Secretary. Thank you. Great to be with you. I'm curious, if you were so still Secretary of State, how would you have prepared President Trump for this meeting?
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Mike Pompeo
Jessica, I think precisely the way we've seen this happen. President Trump didn't run into this negotiation willy nilly. He's been in office six months now. Take a look at the weakness that has been inflicted or the pain that has been inflicted on Vladimir Putin. In just those six months, Russia lost its proxy force in Syria, Assad, who they've been backing for years. Energy prices are now greatly decreased. A primary source of revenue for Vladimir Putin is selling crude oil and natural gas. Resource economy. The Europeans now stronger than ever, committed to spending 5% of their GDP. Ukraine still continuing to defend. They've lost very little territory. Putin's been frustrated all along the way. President Trump has laid out a series of strategic objectives for the Russian people to see and witness the pain. And now Vladimir Putin's having to draft North Korean soldiers to go fight this war. Think he set the conditions for this meeting in an incredibly powerful way and has most of the leverage at this meeting.
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Will Kane
Mr. Secretary, will Kain here. We'd love for you to answer. What we think is maybe the biggest mystery right now is what is happening right now with these two men in this room. And you've, you know, President Trump, you've been inside these rooms. Is there downtime? Are they talking about things outside of tense negotiations for 2 hours and 42 minutes at this point? What is happening as we speak?
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Mike Pompeo
Well, I doubt there's any downtime. I never saw President Trump ask for a break from a meeting. My guess is these have been intense conversations. But President Trump, and frankly, Vladimir Putin, too, they both have a humorous, charming side to them when they want to convince the other side that they're actually good folks. Right? So I'm sure there's some of that. But these two leaders, and I know all the people in the room on our side and on theirs, it's the two leaders conducting this conversation. There'll be a little support and backup from the teams, but they're having intense conversations, testing, probing, seeing where progress can be made and then beginning, I hope, to outline a path forward where you don't have the Russians continuing to launch missiles into Kyiv and them continuing to take Ukrainian kids out of the clutches of the parents and dragging them back into Russia.
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Katie Pavlich
Mr. Secretary, great to see you. We should also note that you were also the director of the CIA, so you know the KGB very well. But I found the president speaking with Bret Baier today when he said he's bringing a lot of business people from Russia talking to Putin. Then you look at the people that President Trump is bringing. Treasury Secretary, Commerce Secretary, is this beyond just, you know, spycraft and national security and foreign policy? And is that a new tactic the president is using this time around in these negotiations, or is this something that you think he's brought from his first term in dealing with Putin?
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Mike Pompeo
Katie, this is an important question. President Trump always reminded me Economies matter. Money matters. Vladimir Putin is feeling that very economic pain. And so I am confident President Trump is laying out a roadmap for Putin, saying, look, if you agree to a ceasefire and then we get a security architecture, then there's an opportunity for you to rejoin the Western commercial world on America's terms, on terms that work for the United States of America. And so Putin's bringing his business people. You see Secretary of Treasury sitting there. In the end, Putin will continue to fight until his economy can no longer withstand it. That will be the thing that will draw him ultimately to bring this to a conclusion. There's little else. He doesn't care about his soldiers. He doesn't care about their families. He cares about himself and the oligarchs in Russia. That's about money and economics. And I think that's why you see this conversation extending beyond just maps and geography, but all the way through. How is it these two economies might work together if Putin is willing to actually concede that he's going to lose this thing?
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Jessica Tarlov
Secretary Pompeo, thank you so much for your insights. It was great to see you.
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Mike Pompeo
Thank you. You all have a good afternoon.
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Jessica Tarlov
Up next, Hillary Clinton offers some surprising praise for President Trump's summit with Vladimir Putin. But it's a big.
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Trey Gowdy
Running on me.
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Katie Pavlich
When investing leads to questions.
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Joey Jones
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Jessica Tarlov
Good.
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Joey Jones
People are crazy.
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Trey Gowdy
Welcome back. The pivotal Trump Putin Summit. Well, it's underway and the president is getting some praise from what you would call a longtime nemesis. His very own friend, Hillary Clinton told our very own Jessica Tarlov this.
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Jessica Tarlov
What does an acceptable deal look like?
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Janice Dean
He could bring about the end to this terrible war where Putin is the aggressor, invading a neighbor country, trying to change the borders to make it clear that there must be a ceasefire, there will be no exchange of territory, and that over a period of time, Putin should be actually withdrawing from the territory he seized. If President Trump were the architect of that, I'd nominate him for a Nobel Peace Prize.
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Trey Gowdy
Yeah. President Trump reacted to that. He told Brett Baier that he might have to start liking Hillary Clinton again. We have to go. Jessica, I got to go to you first. We were talking in the commercial break. How much was she saying that in Ernst? Was she trolling the president like you know, what was, what was the deal?
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Jessica Tarlov
All the things were happening. It was obviously a bit cheeky, but she's genuine. She is a patriot first and foremost, and she wants to see an end to this war and that our Democratic ally is able to have control back of his country. And, you know, her list of things that have to happen, very pie in the sky. It's an ideal situation that no territory would have to be ceded and that the Ukrainians could enter into the NATO alliance and that there would be security guarantees. So the odds of Hillary Clinton having to nominate President Trump for a Nobel, I would say are extremely limited. But I think certainly if he did a great job and she praised him a number of times throughout the interview, talking about the NATO commitments that he was able to get and what a big deal that is. You know, it's funny, it's a great line. You know, people like the clip. Thank you for like, a clip. Listen to the podcast. Rachel Monter. It's all great, but I think it's okay.
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Trey Gowdy
We can start with a show plug here. We're trying to do.
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Jessica Tarlov
Well, you led with it, Charlie.
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Trey Gowdy
So that's kind of the point here, right, is she sets the stage of, like, well, if he can execute perfection, then we're happy with him. And really, is he in between a little bit of a rock and a hard place when it comes to those that are opposing him? Because, I mean, the win may just be to show that Vladimir Putin is coming to the table. Like this idea that there's a ceasefire, there's an end to the war, there could be a marginal victory here. That's still a big deal.
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Charlie Hurt
Oh, absolutely. And if the war ends, that will be a big victory. And if it ends in a way that Zelensky accepts, that'll be a huge deal. And I'm reminded of the fact that Secretary Clinton, of course, famously brought out the reset button, which apparently didn't work. And that is her claim to fame in the efforts to contain Russia. Both times that Russia has invaded Ukraine over the past decade and a half have been under Joe Biden was either president or Vice President. Donald Trump is cleaning up the messes that the previous administrations made, and he's willing to make sacrifices and compromises to get that done. But he wants the killing to stop. And I think most people, and even polls in Ukraine show that Ukrainians are eager for that.
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Trey Gowdy
Katie Trump is always on the right side of 80, 20 issues. I think 80% of Americans or more would like to see this war end. And this is an okay, step to getting there.
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Katie Pavlich
Are you talking about the Ukraine, Russia war or the war between Trump, Hillary and Charlotte? I think that we can solve that. We'll be on good footing. Peace breaking out everywhere, will.
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Will Kane
Yeah, I think that peace is the victory, not the conditions and standards set by Hillary Clinton. That's why she's safe and not having to nominate himself, herself for his Nobel Peace Prize. But I think the rest of the world will rally behind one for Donald Trump.
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Trey Gowdy
I just want to tell the audience I have been invited multiple times on Jessica's show and I keep turning her down.
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Jessica Tarlov
It's crazy.
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Trey Gowdy
It's so rude.
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Will Kane
You're not a raging moderate.
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Joey Jones
No.
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Trey Gowdy
The high stakes Trump Putin meeting. Well, that's. We've already read that. So we're going to be right back.
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Katie Pavlich
Seth loved family, this is Jimmy Falla.
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Joey Jones
Inviting you to join me for FOX.
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Charlie Hurt
Across America where we'll discuss every single.
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Will Kane
One of the Democrats dumb ideas.
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Trey Gowdy
Just kidding.
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Will Kane
It's only a three hour show. Listen live at noon Eastern or get the podcast@foxacrossamerica.com the high stakes Trump and Putin summoned is happening right now as we speak. With the stage set for a possible press conference with Vladimir Putin. The backdrop says pursuing peace. So let's get the final thoughts here at the table. We'll start with you, Joey.
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Trey Gowdy
Yeah, I think, I think this is something where something small can be big, ceasefire being the key there. Can they stop fighting long enough to have the next meeting?
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Jessica Tarlov
Jessica, I'd agree with that. You know, Vladimir Putin has agreed to cease fires and then sent out his drones, you know, minutes later to keep bombing Ukrainians. So I, you know, like I said, optimistic. It would be great to get to a place where those three men could sit down together and look each other in the eye and try to figure this out. Yeah.
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Katie Pavlich
Katie, war is hell. It's horrific. Millions of people have been killed as a result of this. Thousands of children kidnapped into Russia. So if we can get an end to this horrific situation, that would be great. And front row seat to history. Watching all day and into tonight, we'll see what happens.
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Will Kane
What may be more remarkable than Vladimir Putin and President Trump meeting right now in Alaska is four television personalities simply kept their notes about 15 seconds. Meaning, Charlie, you have a minute?
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Charlie Hurt
Nobody knows what to do now. No, it is remarkable to stop. And look at the moment here. You've got President Trump. We're eight months into his second term as president. He has defied the media, he's defied all of the experts, he's defied everybody in Washington on issue after issue after issue doing, whether it's the border or the economy. And I can't think of a more consequential thing that I think he very well may defy all of the experts yet again. And obviously, as somebody who wants the killing to stop, I pray that he is successful at that.
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Will Kane
You know, the victories on the foreign policy stage have now numbered close to half a dozen all across the globe. Pulling off the tariff policy up to this point, though, may have been the hardest thing to pull off. Pulling this off, though, would go right to the top of the list of seemingly impossible accomplishments pulled off by Donald Trump. But we will see here perhaps in a number of hours. All right, you shouldn't go anywhere, though, because that's all for us. But Bret Baier has Listen to the.
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Joey Jones
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