Horrific Ambush

Summary

Podcast Summary: The Five – "Horrific Ambush"

FOX News Podcasts | December 2, 2025

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Overview

This episode of "The Five" centers on two major themes: the tragic ambush shooting involving Afghan nationals and U.S. National Guard members in D.C., raising tough questions about immigration vetting and policy; and a major welfare fraud case in Minnesota’s Somali community, exposing issues of government accountability and oversight. The panel tackles the fallout, partisan blame, media narratives, and the implications of both stories on broader cultural and political issues.

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. Afghan National Guard Shooting and Vetting Debate

[01:05–13:03]

The Incident and Policy Fallout

• Emily Campagno introduces the story of two National Guard members ambushed by an Afghan national, one killed, one critically injured but recovering.
• Trump administration halts all Afghan visas, citing vetting failures from the Biden era.
• White House Press Secretary ties the shooting to the need for mass deportations and reevaluating Afghan immigrants.

Rhetorical and Emotional Responses

• Jesse Waters: “That animal should not have been allowed to come into our country.” (02:00)
• Congresswoman Jasmine Crockett (as quoted by Jessica Tarlov): “Let’s talk about the white supremacists and how many of them need to be kicked out… overall, immigrants have a lower crime committal rate.” (03:01)

Greg Gutfeld on the CIA's Paramilitary History and Vetting Limits

• Describes the complication of vetting Afghan paramilitaries: “He doesn’t have social media. He doesn’t have a therapist you can interview. There’s just no bank account… you don’t know if he’s a sociopath. So they say, fine, let’s fly you to Washington State, put you up at a luxury apartment… So what’s the solution?... Why can’t you fly them to Egypt?” (03:30–05:25)

Systemic Failures and the Media’s Role

• Emily Campagno: The rushed airlift after U.S. withdrawal let vetting “go by the wayside.”
• Dana Perino notes few in the Biden admin defended the process and criticizes both parties’ failures: “A lot of the concern was actually for people like this alleged murderer… But it's been disappointing to see President Trump… denying the fact that Donald Trump's administration granted him asylum.” (08:10)
• Jesse Waters: Media and left used accusations of racism to short-circuit accountability around immigration.

Memorable Quote & Analogy

• Jesse Waters, on the dangers of missed vetting: “The terrorist only has to be right once. You have to be right every single time.” (09:50)
• Skittles Bowl Analogy: “If you knew one [Skittle] was poisoned, obviously you wouldn’t eat the bowl… it worked—you could not talk about illegal immigration because you were considered xenophobic.” (10:02–11:00)

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2. Minnesota Somali Welfare Fraud Scandal

[14:29–25:19]

The Billion Dollar Scandal

• Jessica Tarlov details the fraud: “Some members of Minnesota's Somali community allegedly billed state agencies… for millions in social services… instead spent the money on cars, houses and overseas real estate.” (14:29)
• Hundreds of state workers blame Governor Tim Walz' lack of accountability; Walz minimizes his responsibility, noting only arrests.

Panel’s Critique of Leadership and Systemic Weaknesses

• Greg Gutfeld blasts Walz: “This guy shows up, hey, I arrested… you’re like the guy who eats the free pizza but you didn’t help us move the furniture.” (15:39)
• Emily Campagno points out the Democrats only support whistleblowers against Republicans and references similar scandals in New York under Bill de Blasio. (18:24)
• Greg Gutfeld ties immigration policy to what he calls “voting bloc” dynamics: “Somalia, terrible place, civil war… Clinton says, the way we’re going to do this, just bring them all here... So everybody gets social security numbers and everybody gets welfare, and they form this huge voting bloc in the city.” (20:14)

Accountability and Whistleblower Suppression

• Dana Perino: “It is worse in the Times piece when they talk about the whistleblower retaliation, saying that the Walz administration was using monitoring and threats to make sure they couldn’t come forward.” (22:41)

On Systemic Disincentives for Oversight

• Jesse Waters and Greg Gutfeld repeatedly argue concerns over racism were used to avoid prosecuting fraud.
• Notable Exchange:
  • Jesse Waters: “When people loot during earthquakes, what do you do?”
  • Jessica Tarlov: “Shoot.”
  • Jesse Waters: “You shoot them. I’m glad you brought that up, Jessica. Finally we agree.” (25:05)

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3. Culture Wars, Carville’s Advice & Nashville Special Election

[26:36–34:34]

Carville’s Advice to Dems

• Jesse Waters paraphrases Carville: “Stop effing around with all the cultural stuff and start talking about people’s wages… what we can do to protect people who are trying to make it, and particularly young people.” (26:36)

Nashville Democrat’s Comments & Local Politics

• The panel debates a Nashville Democrat candidate who publicly said she hates the city, dislikes cops, and labeled the city as racist.
• Jesse Waters: “What does it say about the suicidal empathy of a liberal city? You just hand it over to somebody who hates you. It’s like dating somebody who hates you.” (27:42)
• Emily Campagno: “Another power hungry, pigheaded white woman who thinks she knows better than any person of color she pretends to actually speak for.” (31:21)

Generational Blame and Policy Drift

• Greg Gutfeld: “Remember, [boomers] opened up China, they opened up the borders, globalized, crashed the housing market, and then monkeyed around with a virus… Now they’re electing people even more far left to fix them.” (33:04)
• Dana Perino: “Literally, no one is campaigning on that.” (34:05)

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4. Hollywood’s Trump Divide: Josh Brolin Speaks Out

[35:28–39:08]

Brolin’s Take on Trump

• Greg Gutfeld reads Brolin’s comments: “There is no greater genius than [Trump] in marketing… He reminded people that we’re all human beings… Not healthy to let one variable control all your behavior.” (35:28–36:44)
• Jessica Tarlov: “It is not brave, it’s not authentic. It is the same tired script… you compliment Trump, then you soften it with a disclaimer so it doesn’t affect you in award season.” (38:05)

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5. Changing Media Consumption Habits

[40:11–42:21]

TV Clips and Information Overload

• Dana Perino: Notes her struggle with short, out-of-order TV clips becoming popular.
• Jessica Tarlov: “I hate this more than life because… it illustrates that no one has an attention span and that everyone has to be fed in, like, sound bites. Like, do these same people… read a whole book in one sitting?” (40:46)
• Greg Gutfeld: Suggests information, not technology, drives how we process media: “Maybe we’re thinking about the device, but it's the information that is doing the work. Wow. This pot you gave me. Dana’s amazing.” (41:50–42:21)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments (with Timestamps)

• “That animal should not have been allowed to come into our country.” — Jesse Waters (02:00)
• “They’re countries that don’t do a good job… we frankly don’t need their people coming into our country telling us what to do.” — Jesse Waters (02:13)
• “So the guy gets there and he doesn’t work, and he starts smoking cannabis, and he starts becoming suicidal… So the solution is you don’t bring them here.” — Greg Gutfeld (03:30–05:25)
• “You have to be right every single time. And there doesn’t seem to be a way to track radicalization in a way that would prevent it.” — Emily Campagno (09:50)
• “You could not talk about illegal immigration because you were considered xenophobic.” — Jesse Waters (11:00)
• “After what I know—Is it like a decade, a billion dollars in which they ripped off the elderly, infants, the sick, the hungry. They should be executed, right?” — Jesse Waters (15:39)
• “Somalia, terrible place, civil war… So everybody gets social security numbers and everybody gets welfare, and they form this huge voting bloc in the city.” — Greg Gutfeld (20:14)
• “It feels a little dead to rights at this point.” — Dana Perino, on evidence of fraud and whistleblower suppression (22:41)
• “What does it say about the suicidal empathy of a liberal city? You just hand it over to somebody who hates you.” — Jesse Waters (27:42)
• “He broke the cardinal rule of TDS. Trump Derangement, addiction. He reminded people that we’re all human beings.” — Greg Gutfeld on Josh Brolin (35:50)
• “It is not brave, it’s not authentic… compliment Trump but then you soften it with a disclaimer.” — Jessica Tarlov (38:05)
• “Maybe we’re thinking about the device, but it’s the information that is doing the work.” — Greg Gutfeld (41:50)

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• [01:05–13:03] Afghan ambush shooting, vetting failures, and political responses
• [14:29–25:19] Minnesota Somali welfare fraud, state response, and national implications
• [26:36–34:34] James Carville’s advice, Nashville race, generational/partisan culture war
• [35:28–39:08] Hollywood and Trump: Josh Brolin's comments and reactions
• [40:11–42:21] The rise of short TV clips and media consumption trends

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Tone and Style

The panel’s exchanges are fast, heated, and blend humor with sharp critique—typical of “The Five.” Greg Gutfeld leads with sardonic analogies, Jesse Waters goes for provocative soundbites, Dana Perino and Emily Campagno provide context and moderating voices, while Jessica Tarlov often acts as the left-leaning counterpoint. Despite disagreements and spirited interruptions, all maintain the show’s signature conversational and argumentative style.

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This summary covers the central debates, notable moments, and key arguments for listeners who want a comprehensive yet engaging account of this episode.

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[Jesse Waters]

Hello, everyone.

[Emily Campagno]

I'm Dana Perino along with Emily Campagno, Jessica Tarlov, Jesse Waters, and Greg Gutfeld. It's five o' clock in New York City and this is the five. And disturbing new questions tonight on the vetting of Afghan nationals after the horrific ambush shooting of two National Guard members in Washington, D.C. investigators are digging deeper into the accused Afghan gunman who killed Army National Guard Specialist Sarah Beckstrom and leaving Staff Sergeant Andrew Wolf clinging to life. Tonight, we're told he's showing encouraging signs of improvement. We're also learning that 5,000 Afghan applicants have been flagged for security concerns since 2021, when former President Biden took office. In response, the Trump administration is halting all Afghan visas and re evaluating entry policies. And the president is defending the freeze.

[Jesse Waters]

That animal should not have been allowed to come into our country.

[Emily Campagno]

How long does your administration plan to pause?

[Jesse Waters]

Enough problems. We don't want those people.

[Dana Perino]

Is there a list?

[Jesse Waters]

Well, I guess we gave you 19. Right.

[Greg Gutfeld]

And it's probably more than that.

[Jesse Waters]

They're very crime ridden countries. They're countries that don't do a good job. They're countries that don't register from the standpoint of success. And we frankly don't need their people coming into our country telling us what to do.

[Emily Campagno]

White House Press Secretary Caroline Levitt says the tragic shootings underscore the importance of Trump's mass deportation operation.

[Jessica Tarlov]

The Trump administration is now actively reexamining all of the Afghans imported into the country by Joe Biden. Any individual who Threatens our national security or our citizenry will be subject to removal. It is more important than ever to finish carrying out the President's mass deportation operation.

[Emily Campagno]

But Texas Congresswoman Jasmine Crockett seems to think that the problem isn't unvetted migrants, but something else.

[Jessica Tarlov]

Now, you want to go against every single immigrant. That doesn't make sense, and it's frankly not who we are. Because if that's the case, let's talk about the white supremacists and how many of them need to be kicked out of this country, Because I can guarantee you I can track down more crimes that they've committed. Because overall, immigrants have a lower crime committal rate than white supremacists. But we don't want to talk about.

[Dana Perino]

That in this country.

[Emily Campagno]

All right, Jesse, shall we kick it off with you today?

[Greg Gutfeld]

It's just the craziest story I've ever heard. So the CIA starts these paramilitary units in Afghanistan. They're like, you know, hit squads. They kick down doors in the dead of night and just kill everybody in there. You give these guys guns, you give them cash, you give them some intel, and they do the dirty work. And they did a very good job for us. So when you leave Afghanistan, these guys probably. Probably get slaughtered by the Taliban. So what you do is you fly them to Qatar, and they say they vetted them in Qatar. Now what does that mean? How do you vet someone? They pull out of a mountain in Afghanistan and hand a gun and some cash and tell him to go kill Taliban. He doesn't have social media. He doesn't have a therapist you can interview. There's just no bank account. He has nothing. There's nothing to go on. You don't know if he beats his wife. You don't know if he's a sociopath. So they say, fine, let's fly you to Washington State, and we're going to put you up at a luxury apartment and all your five kids and your wife. So the guy gets there and he doesn't work, and he starts smoking cannabis, and he starts becoming suicidal. And you check in on him, and he's always off driving somewhere. No one knows where he is. And there's all these red flags. And so I don't know whether the guy went crazy, he was out for revenge. You don't know. And so he goes in and he kills, almost kills two of our guys. So what's the solution? The solution is you don't bring them here. Yes, they worked on our side in a nasty war. Why can't you Fly them to Egypt. The guy doesn't speak any English. He'd be much more comfortable in a Muslim country. Why do you have to fly him here then? We're responsible for him if he goes nuts and we're collateral damage. It's not like we all of a sudden we're flying CIA backed South Vietnamese mercenaries to Chicago when we left Saigon because we felt bad. No, it's just common sense. And that's all we need to do is use a little more common sense.

[Emily Campagno]

Emily?

[Jessica Tarlov]

Yeah. For those having issues with how the administration is handling now these ghastly and preventable ambush and murders and almost two Remember back in there's a million examples of this. But in 1982, the Chicago Tylenol murders, when someone poisoned a few bottles of Tylenol. Just a few. But what happened across the country, every single bottle of Tylenol was recalled. And then it also changed so that from now on, every cap, every bottle, every everything you get in a store has a sealed container so that you know if it has been tampered with. So why now when just as there it was a fatal response. Why now when we know it was because of an utter failure of a deranged lunatic that was behind this? And I sort of include President Biden in that comment too. Why now are people loathe to examine who's in this country? The reality is that we have up to 85,000 refugees that weren't vetted at all or were vetted so minimally as to call it an utter failure. And that the headline seems to be for example by the New York Times that President, President Trump blames without evidence on immigrants and now is sitting to task the process of vetting them for the first time meaningfully. Shouldn't the headline be the utter failure of the prior president did not secure and procure American interests first and foremost as a priority which has led to the preventative preventable death of Sarah Beckstrom. I find it appalling and as usual the mainstream media is in concert with the failure of that administration that at all respects ignored the well meaning advice of generals and ignore the well being of our troops and our American citizens. And now with this president finally doing that for the first time, we are told he's being racist. When think about too the daunting nature of this task, the sheer volume of the vetting and also with a non collaborative or corroborative body like the government of Afghanistan, the majority of those identities are false and there's no ability to corroborate or Authenticate them. So we're dealing with an 85,000 strong mess. But this president and this administration says, you know what, we'll take it one by one and step by step, because American interests and American safety is that much of a priority to us. It is so refreshing. But God rest Sarah Beckstrom's soul and also President Biden after this because it lands squarely on his shoulders.

[Emily Campagno]

There were emails, Jessica, in 2021 that surfaced on the Biden team. They basically were trying to increase their historic airlift numbers.

[Dana Perino]

Right.

[Emily Campagno]

And the vetting went by the wayside. So then people unfortunately have to pay the price for that, like Sarah Beckstrom.

[Dana Perino]

Yeah, it was definitely a hurried process. I did not see many Democrats even, or people part of the administration who were defending the way that we exited this situation. And a lot of the concern was actually for people like this alleged murderer who had helped over the years. And you see veterans all over TV talking about how amazing the vast majority of these people are and that we were going to leave them to die if we did that. I think that looking at that program again and saying we can't repeat that is definitely important. But it's been disappointing to see President Trump or DHS Secretary Kristi Noem on the Sunday shows denying the fact that Donald Trump's administration granted him asylum in April of this year. So they had a chance to evaluate the situation as well. When he was nuts, when he was suicidal, when he was threatening all these things that have been going on in his life. And they also let him stay. So just making this a it was your fault, not we have an American problem, I think turns a lot of people off from this or this kind of rhetoric. When Trump is posting that you need to denaturalize people who undermine domestic tranquility and deport foreign nationals who are non compatible with Western civilization using those kinds of sweeping terms versus saying we need to look at this program and we need to make sure that everyone that we are bringing here deserves to be here is a much more appropriate response to it. But, you know, I understand and was personally hugely upset by this and continue to be in hope that, you know, the soldier who's fighting for his life can get through so many of these.

[Emily Campagno]

Stories that we've covered over the years, Greg, have to go back to that. The terrorist only has to be right once. You have to be right every single time. And there doesn't seem to be a way to track radicalization in a way that would prevent it.

[Jesse Waters]

Well, first of all, it isn't Trump's fault for not finding the needle in a haystack that was placed by somebody else. You know, it would be perfect. It'd be great. But it's not his fault. We share the same brain, Emily. It's kind of scary because I was looking back at 2016 at the Syrian refugee issue, and I remember the big story wasn't about the Syrian refugees. It was about Donald Trump Jr. Talking about the bowl of Skittles. Do you remember that? If you get a bowl of. It was like a meme in the early 20s. You're talking 10 years ago, a bowl of Skittles. If you knew one was poisoned, obviously you wouldn't eat the bowl of Skittles. The media went crazy. They went nuts. How dehumanizing to compare illegal immigrants to Skittles. How racist, how xenophobic. They are human beings. They are not. Candy. We know analogies by their definition aren't the actual thing. They are the analogy of the thing. But it didn't matter because that worked. That argument worked. Suddenly, you could not talk about illegal immigration because you were considered xenophobic. So you started to see this variable show up in almost every kind of scandal or problem that the Dems were involved with. No oversight, no accountability, because those things were linked to bigotry. So you could fast forward, you can wave in men to play in women's sports. There's no accountability there because remember, if you. If you called it out, you would be called homophobic or transphobic. If you called out, hey, man, you're granting a lot of asylum here for a lot of people we don't know. Well, that's xenophobic. You invent cashless bail. If we come out against that, you're racist against minority. They create these huge government programs which we'll talk about in the B block that doled out billions to Somali refugees. Again, xenophobia. So the missing piece here is accountability, which was controlled or eliminated by the accusation of racism. What happened, we suffer. I think that at this point, you needed somebody like Trump, who said, I don't care if you call me a racist. I'm gonna come in here and fix this. Because in the long term, I'll be happy. You can call me a bigot, but I'm gonna tackle these challenges, and what happens is the other side, who created this risk, whether it was on the border or with crime, inspire mutiny. They go. They inspire mutiny in the street, in government, in the military. So not only do they create the opportunity for hell at the border and with the National Guard, think about the National Guard. They were in DC Fixing lack of oversight with crime and they get shot and killed because of a lack of oversight on immigration. All Trump is trying to do is I'm trying to fix the oversight. And they go, we have a problem with your process. No, you don't have a say in the process anymore. You're done.

[Emily Campagno]

So great way to end it. All right, coming up next, a billion dollar fraud firestorm erupting on Tim Walls watch.

[Greg Gutfeld]

She hates me.

[Jesse Waters]

My hair, my truck, my dog, my music makes her crazy. She done been there, done that, ain't coming. December feels full.

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[Jessica Tarlov]

Minnesota Governor Tim Walz is dodging responsibility like crazy over a billion dollar fraud scandal that happened on his watch. It's even getting the attention of the New York Times. Some members of Minnesota's Somali community allegedly build state agencies for for millions in social services that were never delivered. The suspects targeted programs to fight homelessness and provide therapy for autistic children instead spent the money on cars, houses and overseas real estate projects. And now hundreds of Minnesota state government workers are saying that Governor Tim Walz is, quote, 100% responsible for the massive fraud and turning a blind eye to the corruption. But all the failed veep wants to do is deflect. Watch.

[Jesse Waters]

Well, certainly I take responsibility for putting people in jail. Governors don't get to just talk. Theoretically, we have to solve problems. And I will note, it's not just Somalis. Minnesota is a generous state. Minnesota Is a prosperous state, a well run state. We're AAA bond rated. But that attracts criminals. Those people are going to jail.

[Jessica Tarlov]

The only thing he said that was true, Greg was that it attracts criminals.

[Jesse Waters]

I love how he's like, the only thing I'm going to take responsibility for is putting like two people in jail. After what I know. Is it like a decade, a billion dollars in which they ripped off the elderly, infants, the sick, the hungry. They should be executed, right? This guy shows up. This guy shows up. Hey, I arrested. No, you're like the guy who shows up and eats the free pizza. But you didn't help any of us move the furniture. He guys, I'm here, I'm here. What you're seeing is the ultimate opportunity cost of electing a vacuous virtue signaler with no skills at all. While he was pushing tampons and trans and men's rooms, the Somalis were ripping off the state like it was a 24 hour mini mart in Philadelphia. This is what happens when you elect a person who will say anything but is incapable of doing anything. This party, his party, they are the ultimate in self serving, self seeking selfishness. Does that make sense?

[Emily Campagno]

Yeah.

[Jesse Waters]

They realize that there is a reward in saying yes to everything without having any responsibility to say no. So and again it goes back to what I said in the A block. If you were to call out on this fraud, you go, oh, you hate Somalians. Why are they all Somalians? You hate us. You hate us. No, we hate the people who are doing this. You got to give credit to Walter Kern who covered this in. What was it, what's it? County, highway and Chris Ruffo. This is back in 2023, who then really circulated it into the media or else the New York Times never would have written about this. And it's again, once again, if the Democrats reintroduced the concept of accountability to their actions, they might actually save their party. You need a wing, Jessica, in your party. The DWA party, Democrats with accountability. Cuz there is none. It's almost like when the Democrats had the dlc. The Democrats lick cantaloupes.

[Emily Campagno]

Antelope, I don't know.

[Dana Perino]

That's what we called it.

[Jessica Tarlov]

So Dana, similarly to me, the real cause for concern here is not the identification of fraud because people will always take advantage of programs and others, but it's the fact that it festered for years under a watch that the leader can see zero, zero inkling that he's actually responsible for all of it. And the thing is, is that people who have no idea about other people's money is why he's cavalier about this. The taxpayers footed that billion dollar bill and there is not a refund coming.

[Emily Campagno]

Well, remember that the Democrats only like whistleblowers when it's going against Republicans. The whistleblowers in Minnesota were ignored over and over again. And Walter Kern and Rufo talk about this, but the New York Times dug a little bit deeper. Guess who didn't dig deep at all. Kamala Harris. She thought he would be the best person. She thought he could be President of the United States if something happened to her. And nobody even thought about this. And when you said a billion dollars, it reminded me of something. Where have we heard this story before? Right here in New York City. Do you remember when Bill de Blasio left office, when he first came into office in New York City as the mayor, he gave his wife a billion dollars to help fix homelessness at the end of the administration after those eight years, he says, sorry guys, we don't know where any of that money went. And so it makes you wonder, okay, well then do you worry about the people who need aid from the government or do you worry about how you will rely on that fraud, waste and abuse to curry political favors? Because we know that a lot of people that got the contracts, at least on homelessness, it was all funny business. It wasn't good. It was a billion dollars of taxpayer money here in New York, in Minnesota, like after a while it adds up.

[Jesse Waters]

He was buying off his wife so he could bang that other girl.

[Emily Campagno]

Exactly. I mean, I have no idea.

[Greg Gutfeld]

She disagreed.

[Jessica Tarlov]

Jesse, also. So 30 to 40% of household income in the Somali community there is tied to US taxpayer funded welfare programs.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Oh really? Because that's funny because they never said that that happens. They always say they're very self sufficient, but go ahead.

[Jessica Tarlov]

Right. That's the point. But he claims that his state, you know, everything is well run, everyone is prosperous and happy. And either way, he's either totally letting down that community or totally letting down the community. The communities that are being taken advantage of by the crooks of those 30 to 40%.

[Jesse Waters]

Right.

[Greg Gutfeld]

So this is another crazy story. Somalia, terrible place, civil war. Clinton comes in, Black Hawk down, feels guilty, says the way we're going to do this, we'll just bring them all here and just starts paroling tens of thousands of Somalians into Minnesota. Now why Minnesota of all places? It's not warm. It's not like New York City. It's because the Latin American migrants hadn't gotten there yet. So the business community was like, let's send them to Minneapolis because that'll keep profits up and keep the wages down. And then we could all pat ourselves in the back and say, diversity is our strength. Right? So everybody gets Social Security numbers and everybody gets welfare, and they form this huge voting bloc in the city. I think it's 80,000 Somalians are in the state of Minnesota and they all vote Democrat. And so who figured this whole thing out? Wasn't just New York Times, wasn't just Chris Ruffo. Doge, what did we hear in the beginning of the year? That criminals were ripping off nonprofits. They were just stealing money. Dana's right. They happened in New York. It happened in LA. Remember, they had. Was it $24 billion for the homeless? You don't think this is happening in every city across the country? That's where the money's going to. Democrats are always so worried about inflation and the social welfare net. It's because criminals are stealing it and they won't do anything about it. And they didn't do anything about it because of racism. Whistleblowers, like Dana said, out the wazoo. But the Democrats didn't want to touch it because they were going to be called racist. So they let them steal a billion bucks and now they're all broke and now they look stupid. And you know who looks really stupid? Dana's right again. Kamala. Not only did she miss this thievery, they missed him lying about going to war. They missed him honeymooning in Beijing, tampons in the men's room. This guy was the only VP worse than she, and she picked them.

[Jessica Tarlov]

And the DNC is also paying off her bill still. Jessica, what do you make of Jesse's point? And perhaps that's why I think the evidence is when you, when you work with really local hyperlocal nonprofits, that's when you actually see meaningful difference. The second it gets slightly bigger, then they're plugged into the industrial complex of insert whatever need, homelessness, government, welfare, etc. And then you see, it all just goes to waste because it all is being lost to fraud.

[Dana Perino]

I don't want to malign the reputation of large scale, not for profits because they don't all do this. But this feeding our future, which is the, the main not for profit involved in this, is obviously a tremendous problem. And they started being prosecuted by Merrick Garland. I mean, this goes back to the last administration. I really hate people and organizations that took advantage of COVID money. It was a desperate, heartbreaking time in this country where people were dying, losing their businesses, their kids were not in school, they didn't know how to take care of them. You all remember what it was like. My dad had a small business during COVID I'm watching him do the applications for, you know, to get the COVID relief funds. It was a painstaking process. Obama's problem and process. And to see a billion dollars just go and I err towards the side of generosity. I understood that part of what Tim Walls was saying that if an extra dollar goes to someone who didn't need that dollar. But you're talking about a billion dollars. And I'm so sorry you guys think I sound like this all the time. But it is worse in the Times piece when they talk about the whistleblower retaliation, saying that the Walz administration was using monitoring and threats to make sure that they couldn't come forward. Those are really serious allegations that he is going to have to deal with. And there are other state officials like Amy Klobuchar, I shouldn't say state officials. Senators Amy Klobuchar and Tina Smith. I don't think they like this. I don't think that they would be interested in this. And it'll be fascinating to follow kind of the fallout from it because it's not going to stop. Right. This is kind of like snowball going down the hill super fast at this point. And they have a lot of documented evidence of what's going on. Like emails from people associated with feeding our future saying that if you don't approve new minority owned businesses that accusations of racism are going to fly all over the news like it feels a little dead to rights at this point.

[Jesse Waters]

Could I add, you know, you make when you were talking about the damage during COVID it is a lot like when people take advantage of like earthquakes, you know, or hurricanes and they loot. It is the same thing in a way because here you have this devastation, this Covid thing and they're taking advantage of it. And what did you when people loot during earthquakes, what do you do?

[Jessica Tarlov]

Shoot.

[Jesse Waters]

You shoot them. I'm glad you brought that up, Jessica. Finally we agree.

[Dana Perino]

You said execute it and shoot them in one block. I know that has nothing to do with killing people.

[Jesse Waters]

I'm trying to push the the envelope.

[Dana Perino]

It's been pushed and it's Monday.

[Jessica Tarlov]

All right, guys. Up next, James Carville warns Democrats shut the F up about the culture stuff.

[Dana Perino]

That's next.

[Jesse Waters]

It's true though.

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[Jesse Waters]

The Democrats Crusty Q Ball James Carville begging his party to stop effing around on all the cultural Stuff the economic system in the United States has got to change and it's gone way too, way way too far in favoring old people, favoring savers, favoring homeowners, favoring all of the stuff that we all and if screw this younger generation. And I think the Democrats, as I pointed out in the piece, is quit around with all this cultural stuff and start talking about people's wages, start talking about what we can do to protect people who are trying to make it and particularly young people. Brit Hume isn't looking good and speaking out of whack. Speaking of whacked out Dems, the Nashville Democrat who said that she hates Nashville isn't backing down.

[Greg Gutfeld]

I'm wondering, do you think it was.

[Jesse Waters]

A mistake to say that once again.

[Jessica Tarlov]

I was a private citizen, Nashville is my home?

[Dana Perino]

Do I roll my eyes at the bachelorette parties and the pedal taverns that are blocking my access to my house?

[Jessica Tarlov]

Yeah, every Nashville does. But this race has always been something about something bigger.

[Jesse Waters]

Something bigger. Jessica, there is a chance she could win, right? So what? Okay, maybe the Republicans suck in the Nashville. That could be it. But what does it say about somebody who hates on the city and doesn't like cops and she still wins? That can't be. Oh, it's because the Democrats are so awesome. It says something about the suicidal empathy of a liberal city. You just hand it over to somebody who hates you. It's like dating somebody who hates you.

[Dana Perino]

Well, you know that we all do that for some portion of our lives, but I think it's most of all a reflection on how badly the Republicans are doing and how much Donald Trump is disliked in this moment. It's a Trump plus.

[Jesse Waters]

No, I'm talking about. Look, I know you're gonna go to Trump, but it's more about the candidate.

[Dana Perino]

In Mike Van Epps. Yes, yes. The guy, he's. Matt. Sorry. Been on TV all day. Mike Johnson has to fly in to do a rally with him this morning and get Donald Trump on the phone. He won by 22 points. This wasn't like it was.

[Jessica Tarlov]

But. What?

[Dana Perino]

Close. But what is it?

[Greg Gutfeld]

Yes, what is it?

[Dana Perino]

Cost of living is up $650 per family from last year in Nashville. Yes. They don't think that Donald Trump has a plan or the Republicans have a plan to lower their cost of living.

[Jesse Waters]

Last year from last year.

[Dana Perino]

Since Donald Trump has been president, their lives are $650 more expensive.

[Jesse Waters]

Why is that?

[Dana Perino]

Because of his useless.

[Jesse Waters]

Is it. Is it because gas went up manufacturing you the points? I'm trying to help you, Jessica.

[Dana Perino]

I think I'm doing absolutely fine on it. And I think that she is right as well, that there are people who live in Nashville who understand that she's complaining about the tourism part of it. Like how you complain about your neighborhood, which you dearly love.

[Jesse Waters]

Yeah. That's crime. That's violent crime. It's not about tourists. Tourists save my neighborhood like they saved New York.

[Dana Perino]

This is the problem. And this is what the dynamic will be going through the midterms.

[Jesse Waters]

You've taken over this segment. Jessica. I need to move on.

[Dana Perino]

Are you. This is a sick joke.

[Jesse Waters]

They told me to move on. I was kidding. It's funny. It's funny to me. Anyway, Emily. So Jessica agrees with me that this candidate hates cops. Hates cops and hates the people of Nashville. What does it say if the city still elects her?

[Jessica Tarlov]

That probably a bunch of Californians moved in and carry their politics.

[Jesse Waters]

That's the answer I wanted.

[Emily Campagno]

Jessica, this is my.

[Dana Perino]

Did she just get a room today?

[Jessica Tarlov]

Mats, we're in gray. It's like prom. My issue with her, the number one horrifying thing about her is her public disdain, obviously, for law enforcement, her hatred for them. Bachelorette party is a close second. But here's what I don't understand, because this is what I see as an infection of the Democrat Party, is that they continue going out there and saying, as she did in her op ed in 2019, which, because of the paywall, I only read the first paragraph. She said, racism is in the air we breathe. She said, here in Tennessee, it's all privileged white politicians. It's all white supremacy. And then she, as a white woman, thinks that she and her voice is more important than those communities of color, the young black children, all of the victims of the lynching and terror and violence against communities of color. She is a hypocrite. She is power hungry, and she is part of this toxic tumor where no matter what community she pretends to represent, she will always tell them to their face, I speak for you in a better way than you can speak for yourself. Because she's just another power hungry, pigheaded white woman who thinks she knows better than any person of color she pretends to actually speak for.

[Jesse Waters]

You know, if you ever want to get something from behind a paywall, you just cut and paste it, put it in Grok and go tell me what's behind the paywall. It works. All right. Dana.

[Dana Perino]

Yes.

[Jesse Waters]

You want to talk about Carville or Afton?

[Emily Campagno]

Well, first of all, yeah. When she said her biggest problem with her was what she'd said my biggest problem is how she spells her first name. What is going on with that?

[Jesse Waters]

You know, probably has some Danish heritage or something. You're gonna have to apologize.

[Emily Campagno]

I might have to apologize to the Danes, actually. No, actually, specifically not. Okay. I want to talk about this, though. I've said from the beginning, since mom Donnie was on the scene, this is coming to a city near you. This is where the energy is. Whoever is in power in the White House typically has a hard time in that first midterm. AOC has figured out okay, she's picking people. Matt Van Epps, you could not find a better candidate. He checks all the. He's amazing American, this patriotic guy, and he's willing to serve. And yet it's this close. I do think that he will win.

[Jesse Waters]

I hope he does.

[Emily Campagno]

But the fact that it is close is a warning sign to Republicans everywhere that this Democratic energy from the far left is not going to stop. And it won't be Jessica necessarily, but you'll have Democrats. Maybe Harold will say she's not a real Democrat. No, like this is actually where the party is going. She campaigned with AOC the weekend before the election. That tells me that they're not worried about her.

[Jesse Waters]

Yeah, that's the thing, Jesse. I get the sense that over time, this is going to happen with every city. The left moves into the city, they elect leftists, and then everyone but the rich leads are people that work at Fox.

[Greg Gutfeld]

You're up for another contract soon, Greg, I think.

[Jesse Waters]

I don't know if I can make it be fine.

[Greg Gutfeld]

You look a little verklept. The so Carville, I think we buried the headline said that they lost the culture war. So let's just all take a moment. Yes, we beat you, but there is another problem. And his advice is strong. He's saying rage against the machine. And the machine is run by boomers. And the younger generation hates the boomers because they think they destroyed the American dream. And a little bit they did. Remember, they opened up China, they opened up the borders, they globalized and they crashed the housing market. And then they monkeyed around with a virus and then they locked everything down and spent trillions of dollars, jacked up rates so you couldn't get cheap money to buy homes and get loans. So they're stuck. And they caused all these problems and now they're electing people even more far left to fix them. Now these people don't have any solutions. In fact, what they're saying is going to make it worse. They're saying take out a huge loan and get a DEI degree, don't get married, don't have babies. That's what they're saying.

[Dana Perino]

Literally, no one is campaigning on that.

[Jesse Waters]

No.

[Greg Gutfeld]

That's what the media and the left has been arguing for all of these years, Jessica, is that global warming is caused by children and cars and big homes and you should put off marriage. So you should work and have a career and freeze your eggs and don't get married and have babies till you're 45. And then you're freaking out because you can't aff anything and then you just blame Republicans. This is not how this works. Tomorrow, I will explain everything, how to fix this.

[Jesse Waters]

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[Greg Gutfeld]

Marvel star Josh Brolin, breaking from his fellow TDS stricken Hollywood pal, saying this quote, I'm not scared of Trump because even though he says he's staying forever, it's just not going to happen. And if it does, then I'll deal with it that moment. But having been a friend of Trump before he was president, I know a different guy. There is no greater genius than him in marketing. All Right, Greg, how do you think this came about?

[Jesse Waters]

Well, you know, I credit him cuz his stepmother is Barbra Streisand. So he broke the cardinal rule of tda. Trump. Derangement, addiction. He reminded people that we're all human beings. And he even he wrote a book on recovery. And so he said where how single variable thinking can warp any relationship, whether it is crack cocaine, alcohol or Trump. You know, it's not healthy to let one variable control all your behavior. Then you're kind of like a cell in a petri dish, you know, with very limited functions. You can only do one, two or three things because everything's drop, drop, drop, drop, drop. And you're not able to exist outside the plated universe that you might find in a laboratory. We don't have that choice on the five. We have to know how the other side lives. That's part of our job. But people in Hollywood don't have to. It's good that he says this. Why did you ask me that question?

[Greg Gutfeld]

I don't even remember what I asked you. Timothy.

[Emily Campagno]

I think this is true for humans everywhere.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Yes.

[Emily Campagno]

We just had Thanksgiving where you had all these things. The New York Times wrote seven stories about how to have Thanksgiving dinner with people. No, like if you just meet people, get to know them. In fact, you think about some of the people that are best friends on Capitol Hill. Katie Britt from Alabama and John Fetterman of Pennsylvania. They from opposite sides of the aisle, opposite parts of the country, they get along great. If you actually meet somebody in person, it is different. And I think that is true not just for this Hollywood star, but look at Zoran Mamdani and Trump got along like a house on fire. We'll see if it lasts. When the house is fire.

[Jesse Waters]

They're opening a bed and breakfast in Vermont.

[Jessica Tarlov]

You.

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[Jessica Tarlov]

Oh my gosh.

[Greg Gutfeld]

I've been out for five days. What's your name again?

[Jesse Waters]

It's Harold.

[Greg Gutfeld]

I love you. I know. I really do love you.

[Dana Perino]

I know. And at least you've publicly admitted it. See all of you at home. He's obsessed with me because we met in person. We used to ride the subway home together when.

[Jesse Waters]

Jesse, your wife just texted me.

[Dana Perino]

Emma doesn't mind? Yeah, it was nice, but now he's awful.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Ouch.

[Jessica Tarlov]

Like the Fox and the Hound. Okay, everyone. I actually have a vastly different opinion on this.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Okay?

[Jessica Tarlov]

It is not brave, it's not authentic. It is the same tired script involving Hollywood elites and the media. You compliment Trump, but then you soften it with a disclaimer. So that it doesn't affect you really in award season. Here's my three reasons why. Number one, this is the media part. Josh Brolin didn't bring up Trump. The interviewer guy did. The interviewer, as they were discussing his villainous character, was like, oh, much like Trump. And then it specifically said Brolin was like, well, I didn't base the character on Trump.

[Dana Perino]

No.

[Jessica Tarlov]

And like, sort of someone was like, what? But that is what started this whole paragraph. So, number one, I blame the media. Number two, however, then you distinguish between then and now. So Brolin goes on to be like, well, yeah, back then when I was friends, totally different person than President Trump now, like, right, he's saying, like, it's okay, guys. It was before all of this. And then the third thing was not to worry. I'm still an elitist, guys. Like, I'm still a celeb. Was when he talked about, oh, it's much less about Trump and more about the general population and their need for validation. So clearly he's not part of gen pop, like all of us who are getting beaten up in the yard. Even though I love the Goonies.

[Jesse Waters]

So he was in Goonies?

[Greg Gutfeld]

Yeah, he was the older brother in Goonies.

[Jesse Waters]

Never saw the movie.

[Greg Gutfeld]

You liar.

[Emily Campagno]

I never saw.

[Jesse Waters]

I never saw Goonies.

[Greg Gutfeld]

You ever seen Goonies?

[Jesse Waters]

Nope, never saw it. I lived it. I lived it.

[Jessica Tarlov]

Need a watch party?

[Emily Campagno]

I don't even know what it's about.

[Jessica Tarlov]

Watch party at my house.

[Greg Gutfeld]

You remind me of the guy they caged up in the basement. The fastest is up next.

[Jesse Waters]

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[Dana Perino]

There's a weird new way to watch tv. People are watching one to two minute out of order clips of their favorite TV shows while scrolling social media. Dana, this disturbs me.

[Emily Campagno]

Well, one other thing. You know, it's just the way it is. It can disturb us, but it's just, this is the way people are going to be watching TV in all sorts of different ways. And the other day I was trying to describe the scene in Seinfeld when they're stuck in the Lincoln Tunnel because of the Puerto Rican Day parade. I need this clip to show younger people what I'm talking about, but it's.

[Greg Gutfeld]

The out of order.

[Dana Perino]

I like the clips, but out of.

[Emily Campagno]

Order, out of order.

[Jessica Tarlov]

Truncated. Yes. I hate this more than life because it, to me, illustrates that no one has an attention span and that everyone has to be fed in, like, sound bites. Like, do these same people. Are they able to read a whole book in one sitting? Like, we are like. This, to me, is a hallmark of civilization going to hell.

[Dana Perino]

Jesse, how do the twins consume TV shows?

[Greg Gutfeld]

They will watch, but they do it fast. It's like YouTube shorts. And I don't know if you really like classic stuff, though. You have to get to be. It's an app. We own it. And it has all of the classic stuff from the 80s. That's where you get the good stuff. And you could watch the whole 30 minutes or hour and a half film.

[Dana Perino]

Tuby, sounds like brag.

[Emily Campagno]

And free.

[Greg Gutfeld]

And it's free.

[Jesse Waters]

You know, it's interesting. It's. For the longest time, we keep thinking that it's the device that is the master in this relationship. You know what I mean? It's like if the device is making this happen, could have been radio, could have been TV, could have been the movie theater, could have been VCRs, then it's the Internet.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Ooh.

[Jesse Waters]

And then it's the phone. But what if it's the information that's actually making the decision and we're just being steered to create the delivery system to accommodate the information which is evolving itself into tiny and tinier bits and we aren't even aware of it. It's like we're going, like, how does this happen? Is it gonna end up being in our. Maybe that's just the way it's happening. Maybe we're thinking about the device, but it's the information that is doing the work. Wow. This pot you gave me. Dana's amazing.

[Jessica Tarlov]

Like, that is the conversation for marijuana.

[Dana Perino]

One more thing.

[Jessica Tarlov]

Next. I Mike sides of my toes. Makes me crinkle my nose wherever it goes.

[Jesse Waters]

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[Dana Perino]

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[Jessica Tarlov]

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[Dana Perino]

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[Jesse Waters]

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[Emily Campagno]

All right, it's time now for one more thing. Glad to be back. I had a chance to go back to Mercy Ships, and I think we have a couple pictures here. That family, while we're doing a little interview with them, found out that they were cleared for surgery. Both the mom and the son are amazing. It was a great time. They don't waste a dollar. Those are five traveling nurses. They all met in Colorado and decided to go serve together, which was super fun. Took TikTok, Kate and Molly Harrigan with me, and it was great. Bethany Mandel was on the podcast today. I got right back in the swing of things, as did you, Greg, after the holiday.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Yeah.

[Jesse Waters]

Thanks for inviting me on your mercy show.

[Emily Campagno]

Yeah, next time I'd love to take you.

[Jesse Waters]

Yes. All right, Tonight we got a great show. They would go nuts for me. Kat, Timp, Andrew Gruel, Tom Shalhou, tyrus, tonight at 10. A lot of tease.

[Emily Campagno]

They actually do. Watch the five.

[Greg Gutfeld]

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[Jesse Waters]

Well, the Fox was made by actual children in our. In our factory.

[Emily Campagno]

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[Greg Gutfeld]

Yes, interns, I think that's good.

[Jesse Waters]

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