It’s Make-Or-Break For Spencer Pratt

Summary

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The Five: "It’s Make-Or-Break For Spencer Pratt"

FOX News Podcasts | June 2, 2026

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Episode Overview

This episode of The Five zeroes in on the high-stakes primary for Los Angeles mayor, where controversial outsider Spencer Pratt challenges incumbent Karen Bass. The panel also digs into Dr. Jill Biden’s book tour and the Democratic Party’s woes, discusses the fallout from candidate Graham Platner’s scandals, mocks the collapse of late-night television, and banters about AI's impact on the modern workplace. The episode is peppered with sharp-tongued commentary, heated debate, and biting humor reflective of the hosts’ personalities.

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Main Segments & Key Discussion Points

1. "It’s Make-or-Break For Spencer Pratt" — LA Mayoral Primary

[01:34–12:18]

• Spencer Pratt’s Law-and-Order Message
  Jesse Waters introduces the segment, quoting Pratt:

  “Los Angeles either votes for Pratt or it votes for death. The greatest city on earth hangs in the balance.” [01:37]
  Pratt’s campaign centers on restoring consequences for public drug use and homelessness:

  • He pledges to crack down on drug use near children, even legal marijuana, emphasizing a need for societal order [01:53].
  • Waters contrasts Pratt’s bluntness with Karen Bass’s more cautious campaign, highlighting her deflection of responsibility for the homelessness crisis.

• Bass vs. Pratt
  Greg Gutfeld suggests mayoral power is limited but criticizes Bass for blaming long-standing problems rather than owning her record:

  “People have unrealistic expectations about what powers the mayor has and does not. So you’re being blamed single handedly for the homeless crisis.” [02:40] Kennedy and Gutfeld attack Bass’s “excuse-making,” claiming it signals failure and fatigue among voters [03:47–05:12].
  “She’s an embarrassment. How could anybody endorse her after the fires, the homelessness, the drug, academics, the fraud?” (Kennedy) [06:26]

• Political Landscape
  Harold Ford Jr. comments on voter frustration and Pratt’s media-savvy campaign, predicting he’ll move forward in the primary:

  “His performance... speaks volumes about the breadth of disappointment there is amongst Democrats across Los Angeles.” [07:31]

• Polling and Prognosis
  Kellyanne Conway summarizes:

  “This election was always going to be a referendum on the awful mayor that has been Karen Bass. But Pratt has transformed it from a referendum to a true choice.” [09:24]
  She praises Pratt’s use of AI in campaign ads and authenticity, noting dissatisfaction with LA’s status quo across quality-of-life metrics.

• Memorable Analogy
  Greg Gutfeld:

  “Spencer Pratt is political Ozempic for Los Angeles.” [12:03]
  (Referencing the weight-loss drug as a metaphor for quick political change.)

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2. Dr. Jill Biden’s Book Tour & Democratic Disarray

[12:49–22:46]

• Jill Biden on ‘The View’
  The panel plays clips of the First Lady dodging tough questions about Joe and Kamala Harris, with Kellyanne lambasting her honesty and motives:

  “She is fast overtaking Hunter as the most odious, grifting, drifting, repulsive Biden. And that’s saying a great deal. She is a gold digger with this book tour. She’s a gold digger married to the Tin Man.” [14:30]

• Disunity & ‘Victory Tour’ Cynicism
  Waters accuses the Bidens of muddy stories about Joe’s health, focusing on the family’s financial motives and the party’s low approval rating [16:49–18:28].
  Kennedy adds that for Democrats, politics is “all a game, gain power and status translated into money,” critiquing the sudden shift from urgent Trump-era rhetoric to book-selling and self-enrichment [21:20].

• Political Analysis
  Harold Ford Jr. points out Biden’s broken promise to be a transitional president and blames the party’s predicament on that decision:

  “He said he would not run again. He should not have run again... I hope the tour goes fast and we can get back to talking about the future.” [18:33–20:29]

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3. Graham Platner Scandal and Senate Race Fallout

[23:38–34:07]

• Candidate Under Fire
  Kennedy and Jesse Waters dissect Democratic Senate candidate Graham Platner’s “Nipple Nazi” controversy and privileged background.
  Jesse:

  “This guy is a fake working class dude. He went to a boarding school. His mom bought him the oyster farm... His dad bought him a house... It’s sleazy.” [25:29]

• Party Response & Hypocrisy
  The panel notes radio silence from Platner’s military peers and accuses Democrats of double standards—accepting Platner despite past criticisms of Republicans.

  • Kellyanne:

    “A man does not sext young girls two years into his marriage. A real man doesn't say that Chris Kyle and the Purple Heart recipient are unworthy... I see a clown... I think every Democrat should be held to account running down the Senate hallways. Do you stand with him or against him?” [29:06–31:46]

• Nazi Allegations
  Gutfeld puts a final point on the moral argument:

  “You have endorsed a guy who had a Totenkov skull, which was what the SS officers had as a badge of honor from the Nazi death camps. So you can’t... That one’s gone.” [31:56]

• Panel Consensus
  Even Democrat Harold Ford Jr. distances himself:

  “This may not be our strongest candidate here.” [33:39]

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4. Decline of Late-Night Television

[34:25–39:07]

• Jimmy Kimmel’s Complaints
  The hosts chuckle at Kimmel bemoaning Stephen Colbert’s cancelation and blaming “poisoned” late-night, rather than viewer loss or business realities.
  Jesse:

  “It’s not being poisoned. It’s just not profitable.” [37:07]

• Panel on Late Night
  Greg Gutfeld and Kennedy lampoon the lack of genuine humor, pointing out plummeting ratings compared to the heyday of Carson/Leno.

  • Kellyanne:

    “I don’t think they’re being poisoned. I think they were murdered by you.” [38:14]

  • Kennedy:

    “The poison was self righteous self seriousness which muscled out all the humor. And the laughs were replaced by polite applause.” [38:27]

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5. Quick Takes and Banter: AI, Cover Letters, and Ray-Ban Meta

[39:20–42:08]

• AI Killing the Cover Letter
  The panel jokes about how ChatGPT and AI have made cover letters obsolete.
  Greg:

  “All it’s going to be soon in the hiring process is my AI as their prospective employee versus your AI in the HR department. It is going to be competing AIs.” [39:52]

• Career Advice
  Kellyanne:

  “Ditch the cover letter but send a writing sample. Do an in-face interview and commit that you’re actually going to go to the office.” [40:35]

• Ray-Ban Meta
  A quick, lighthearted mention of AI-powered sunglasses, inserted as comic relief.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On LA Crime and Homelessness:
  “If people are rational and they've had enough of that brand of thinking... they’re going to unseat Karen Bass because... there is so much active anger toward her.” – Greg Gutfeld [03:47]

• On Dr. Jill Biden’s Book Tour:
  “She’s a gold digger with this book tour. She’s a gold digger married to the Tin Man.” – Kellyanne Conway [14:30]

• On Political Leadership:
  “People expect that from government. And I think whether Mr. Pratt wins or not... the fact that he's even in this race at this point demonstrates... the frustration about public safety, housing and affordability.” – Harold Ford Jr. [07:31]

• On Graham Platner:
  “A man does not sext young girls two years into his marriage. A real man doesn’t say that Chris Kyle and the Purple Heart recipient are unworthy.” – Kellyanne Conway [29:06]
  “He is a useful, tarnished meathead.” – Greg Gutfeld [33:29]

• On Late-Night Decline:
  “The poison was self-righteous self seriousness which muscled out all the humor. And the laughs were replaced by polite applause.” – Kennedy [38:27]

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Timestamps: Important Segments

• LA Mayoral Showdown — 01:34–12:18
• Jill Biden Book Tour / Dem Disarray — 12:49–22:46
• Graham Platner Scandal — 23:38–34:07
• Late-Night TV’s Demise — 34:25–39:07
• AI & Cover Letter Banter — 39:20–40:56

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Tone & Style

• Candid, Sarcastic, Irreverent: The panel is relentless in their critiques, using sharp analogies (e.g., political Ozempic, gold digger married to the Tin Man), and often breaking into banter and self-deprecating humor about their roles and the news cycle.
• Pointed Partisanship: Hosts openly espouse their skepticism of Democratic candidates and policies, while sometimes ribbing each other and acknowledging faults on all sides.

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For those who missed this episode, expect hard-charging political debate, wisecracks about the current state of media and politics, and a chaotic run-through of this week’s biggest controversies.

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Transcript

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[Jesse Waters]

Hello everybody, I'm Waters along with Kellyanne Conway, Harold Ford Jr. Kennedy and Greg Gutfeld. It's five o' clock in New York City and this is the five. It's make or break for Spencer Pratt. Today's primary day in the LA mayors race and we're about to find out whether voters have had enough of the naked junkies shooting up next to their schools. Pratt's making his closing argument, telling the California Post quote, los Angeles either votes for Pratt or it votes for death. The greatest city on earth hangs in the balance. He also told Bill Maher, no more pot on playgrounds. I don't want you smoking front of kids at the park. You know I'll be enforcing if you're Smoking that in front of a kid at a swing. I'll be getting you as mayor. You know, no more drugs around kids, at parks, at schools, in front of daycares. Even if it's a legal pot. We need to have a society of consequences again. Meanwhile, Mayor Karen Bass running to Kathy Griffin for her closing message.

[Greg Gutfeld]

I think people have unrealistic expectations about what powers the mayor has and does not. So you're being blamed single handedly for the homeless crisis.

[Jesse Waters]

Government in general is very confusing to people and they don't know who does what. Many of these problems have existed for decades and we have absolutely made headway. But have I solved 30 year old problems? No

[Greg Gutfeld]

other term to do that.

[Kennedy]

Exactly.

[Jesse Waters]

And kneepads nuking Democrats for rampant homelessness under his watch.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

But you also have to have a mindset around visible results and the ultimate manifestation of that failure, the byproduct of the affordability crisis. What's happening as it relates to street homelessness, unsheltered homelessness, encampments in particular, quality of life, the diminution of quality of life and this notion that we couldn't do anything about it. This sort of victim mindset.

[Jesse Waters]

Kennedy, how do you think tonight, tomorrow? Well, they'll probably count votes for next month or two. How do you think it's gonna shake out?

[Greg Gutfeld]

Well, if people are rational and they've had enough of that brand of thinking, you know, Gavin Newsom was mayor of San Francisco and that's when the unfettered unhoused really exploded. And you know, it happened on his watch and he was pressed on it when he was mayor of San Francisco. And he said, we have to meet the moment. Hopefully this is the moment where voters meet the moment in California, in Los Angeles. And if the people that I have talked to, my friends and neighbors, people that I've known from gymnastics and you know, my girls schools, if they have anything to say about it, they're going to unseat Karen Bass because they there is so much active anger toward her. And you know, it's not just in Pacific Palisades. It is across the city. And a vast majority of Angelenos look around and go, you know, the city's going in the wrong direction. Karen Bass now conveniently today says that, oh, these problems have existed for years. But last week she said, you know, a few years ago there were no homeless people on the street. Well, maybe it has something to do with her incompetency and her rise to through California politics that is crescendoed with the Pacific Palisades fire, which is a metaphor for her governance and her political career, which, you know, I am very much hoping that Angelino puts a pin in her political grenade tonight.

[Jesse Waters]

He said, it's either you have LA or you have death. Those are the stakes.

[Kennedy]

It's pretty extreme, but at least in his case, he can point to evidence of the degradation. You just look on the streets and you go, there it is. This is not a hypothetical. When they say, say it's an existential risk of climate change, you can actually see the junkies. You can see the crime. Kathy Griffin thinks that Bass should have another term. So she is a microcosm of the city, Los Angeles itself, under disrepair, plagued by mental illness. Money is thrown at remedies that do nothing to solve the underlying rot. You can keep having facelifts, just like you can keep reelecting Democrat mayors, but it does nothing but keep the catastrophe alive. It never gets any better. It just gets worse. And that podcast is worth noting because, you know, she's a progressive blue celebrity, just like Jane Fonda, just like Sam Jackson. They all endorse Bass, and if she wins, it has no effect on them whatsoever. It is just like all the celebrities who donated their time and money to the fire relief concert. Once it was over, they had no reason to see if the money got there. They don't care. They did their deed. $100 million. Nobody knows where it went. It did not go to the victims. As a Democrat, not me. I'm just saying, if you're a Democrat, there's no argument to vote for Karen Bass, even if it's a team sport. Vote. She's a Democrat and she screwed your team. She's an embarrassment. How could anybody endorse her after the fires, the homelessness, the drug, academics, the fraud? If you can't vote for Pratt, that doesn't mean you have to vote for her. That's like going back to the same abusive partner because you think there's no more fish in the sea. That might make Nithya more popular, but she was in the thick of the homeless crisis and made it worse. And she offers no solutions to what is ailing Los Angeles. So it's kind of like the Democrats. If they don't do Pratt, they have two choices of, like, terrible entrees on a flight, and you gotta decide which one isn't gonna give you diarrhea.

[Jesse Waters]

Do you see it that way, Harold?

[Harold Ford Jr.]

First, good to be back with you all. I would say I do in large part. I think that I wouldn't characterize it Quite like my pal did. But I think political leadership in Los Angeles has underperformed. We've heard it from Kennedy and others a lot for so many years. And One thing that Mr. Pratt has going for him, he's not a part, has not been a part of that too. His performance, I think, speaks volumes about the breadth of disappointment there is amongst Democrats across Los Angeles. Here's a guy who has not a lot of experience in politics, has been on television. I thought cut some of the savviest, I'm curious to hear Kellyanne say one of the savviest, most clever commercials and marketing one could and to hear Karen Bass, who I know and I consider a friend, to say at the end of the campaign that 30 year old challenges that she's had, she needs a longer time to try to address them. I think you have to realize that Americans and the world for that matter, we all see all of this technology in front of us and all the medical research and what those advances have translated into, people able to lose weight in weeks that they couldn't figure out how to lose for years. People are saying ways to access information faster and find more accurate paths to success, even in business in a less expensive way. So people expect that from government. And I think whether Mr. Pratt wins or not, and I think he probably will advance to the runoff, this is still a jungle primary here. It's not a plurality when you got the top two vote getters will go to the end here. But the fact that he's even going to run off, excuse me, the fact that he's even in this race at this point demonstrates again the frustration about public safety and housing and affordability. These aren't just words to Democrats or Republicans, but in this sense it's Democrats. You have to act on them. And Mr. Pratt may get that opportunity himself to be the next mayor of the city. If he does, he'll be judged by the kind of results he produces for the city.

[Jesse Waters]

Kellyanne, where do you put Pratt in the jungle primary?

[Kellyanne Conway]

I hope that Spencer Pratt wins this election because he's already won the argument this election was always going to be a referendum on the awful mayor that has been Karen Bass. But Pratt has transformed it from a referendum to a true choice. And 75% Jesse, of all Angelenos, according to everyone's polling, do not want the current mayor to say the current to say the future mayor. She's up at about what, 25, 26% in most of the polls. And the thing about the jungle primary is we're going to keep hearing from Spencer Pratt regardless of the outcome. He's not going to go gently into thy night. If he prevails, he's going to be the big story and he's going to get great momentum and he'll win in November. We have five months to go until the actual election. If he falls short, I think he's still going to be a great voice and people are going to know they made the wrong choice. The other thing is I think that I can sum up Spencer Pratt's campaign. Obviously New blood, fresh face, common sense solutions. We know that. But to Harold's point, as a practitioner of yours, the idea that he's using AI for the most clever ads anyone has seen in so long. We've had sort of sclerotic staph infection in the consultancy for so long. You get rewarded for losing. You get your 15% anyway and you get your creative fee. He just, he screams the future. And if I can sum up his campaign, it's that he refuses to look the other way. This is a campaign that respects the people because it reflects the people. He actually is talking about what we all see. He's basically just taking an iPhone around Los Angeles and saying we don't need to live like this, but we only live like this because our leaders and honestly a lot of we citizens look the other way. So the homeless don't have enough shelter, the hungry don't have enough food, the kids are under educated, businesses cannot start thrive grow in Los Angeles. We're kicking them out. Illegal immigration is out of control. Public safety. UCLA did an amazing report. Every metric of quality of life, not cost of living. Quality of life is down. Whether it's your neighborhood, race, relationship, overall economy, infrastructure, transportation, you name it, it has sunk. And he's reflecting that. The other thing is if you've got a trot out Kathy Griffin and say you need four more years and you don't know that there are 7 million Californians living in poverty, 17.7% of the whole population. She's making Karen Bass. Every time she does something like this, she's making the argument against herself because she's reminding people of the problems not that she inherited but that she refuses to solve. And Spencer Pratt has. He's just a man with a plan.

[Greg Gutfeld]

I have something very quickly.

[Jesse Waters]

Sure.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Harold's point. Harold made a great point. For people who have been trying to lose weight for years now, there is a miracle cure that in just a couple of weeks can help them realize their weight loss dreams. Spencer Pratt is political Ozempic for Los Angeles.

[Jesse Waters]

The Pratt shot, we'll call that. Coming up next, Dr. Jill slicing open old wounds for Kamala as she brings her book tour to the View.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Oh, Joe, they don't love you like I love you. The doctor is making more house calls. Former first lady Joe Biden brought her prescription for denial to the View earlier today, where the ladies performed an autopsy on Joe Kamala and the whole 2024 campaign. Watch, is there any part of you

[Kellyanne Conway]

that went into protection mode of like, joe, you can't keep doing this?

[Greg Gutfeld]

Like this is. They're taking so much for me.

[Kellyanne Conway]

But the doctors told me he was fine. I'm not a doctor. I mean, I am a doctor.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Yes, you are.

[Jesse Waters]

Dr. Biden,

[Greg Gutfeld]

on Vice President Harris, do you think that she could have won if she had had more time in the race?

[Kellyanne Conway]

I thought she was going to win. I mean, I went out there and I campaigned for her all over the country.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Yeah, but do you think the abbreviated timeline may have made it too big of a task?

[Kellyanne Conway]

No, she was up to the job. Otherwise, why would Joe give her, you know, say here, Kamala, I mean, she was up to it. Otherwise, why would she run for president if she didn't feel she was up to. I went to bed assuming she would win. I ran into the bedroom and I woke Joe up, and I'm like, joe, Joe, why didn't you tell me this? Why didn't you wake me up? And he said, yes, you know, she lost. And I was shocked.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Do you think she should run again in 2028?

[Kellyanne Conway]

That's up to Kamala.

[Greg Gutfeld]

That's up to Kamala. All right, Kellyanne, tell me about Jill Biden and her relationship with Kamala Harris. Because it really feels like she would be selling a few more books if she were actually honest about the state of the relationship. Because Kamala was not as kind in her memoir. What gives there?

[Kellyanne Conway]

Let's roll the tape. When they debated in that big primary in July So of 2019, shortly before Kamala dropped out of the race with 00 electoral votes, the Democrats didn't wonder, why should the rest of us be saddled with her? When she accused Joe Biden of being a racist by saying, the little girl on that bus was me, Jill Biden said f her about Kamala Harris. And we all know that, so we know how she feels about Kamala. I think she was throwing shade at Kamala today by keep mentioning her. I thought she was going to win. She did not think she was going to win. And then she's going to be able to say, but Joe would have won. So her saying. And by the way, if she actually thought Kamala Harris was going to win that race, she has fewer political instincts than she does dignity and class at this point, which is saying something because Donald Trump won the popular vote at all seven swing states. More Hispanics, more women, more African Americans, more Jewish voters, more Catholic voters, more union households, more young people, you name it. He cleaned the clock of Kamala. And I believe that Jill Biden and Kamala Harris, we saw that afterwards. You saw it at Carter's funeral. There is absolutely no love lost between these women. I want to say a couple things about Jill Biden. She is fast overtaking Hunter as the most odious, grifting, drifting, repulsive Biden. And that's saying a great deal. She is a gold digger with this book tour. She's a gold digger married to the Tin Man. And I think nobody should forgive her for lying to the country again and again. Just not just the night of the debate because she seemed pretty rattled by her husband's condition. But lying again and again and again, she acts like her husband's already dead. I thought the View looked like his care team or the cantor and the funeral director and the pastor and not a bunch of women who of course wanted him to win and did everything they could to help Kamala to win. Karine Jean Pierre tried this stuff with her memoir, too. She tried to clear her conscience and pretend she had a lie every single day to the American people. And Joe is one thing, but I think this woman, she is, we should not forgive her for lying to the country.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Yeah. And Jesse, if you think that your husband is in the middle of a stroke, wouldn't you intervene and make sure that he got medical care as quickly as possible in order to depends on

[Jesse Waters]

my relationship with my husband.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Would you really wheel him out to a Waffle House and poke him and get him to say something?

[Jesse Waters]

I don't know. They first said that he was given no medical care. Binder went out at the briefing and said he did not see a doctor after the debate. And then Joe told donors that he did see a doctor and then when it got out he said, no, that was for my cold. A few weeks later. And now they're saying a doctor evaluated him that night backstage. So they still can't get their stories straight. This is rough. This is not a one day thing. This is a week long book tour starts Sunday. And then you have the Today show and Morning Joe and then this God knows what she's doing for the rest of the week. But this is a week of pain because they're not asking about chips or Ukraine. They're asking about Hunter, the coup, Kamala and the COVID up. And every question is zeroing in on dishonesty. And that's why the Democratic party has a 20% approval rating. The Bidens need the money. I think Joe got about 10 million for the book. This I'm going to peg at about 4, but after taxes it's about half. And Hunter Biden is 20 mil in the hole. And this is a family with champagne taste and beer pockets. They have cars, summer homes, private schools. This. If I gave money to the library, I'd think that they'd steal it because you can't trust these people. This is a bad time to be a Democrat. But then again, when is it a good time, Harold?

[Greg Gutfeld]

When is it a good time? And what are your thoughts on her victory tour here?

[Harold Ford Jr.]

So I remind everybody, most presidents and first Ladies write books and a lot of times after they leave office, a lot of times they talk about things that you would imagine would try to be helpful and constructive. I can't figure out yet how this is being helpful and constructive to Dems. As we head into what looks to be an encouraging fall for Democrats, meaning a fall, meaning a fall election period, a midterm period, we're being reminded of some of the, some of our not glamorous moments over the last year or so politically. If President Biden had did Kennedy what he said from the very outset, which was to be a transitional president, to be a transitional figure in American politics, to serve one term, I think he would have been regarded far better. He would have been a kingmaker in our party and really put our party in the country. Better yet, I think on a different trajectory when he decided to run again. I mean, I'd love to hear the first lady talk about some of those things. Dr. Biden talk about some of those things. I mean, I don't, look, I don't fault her. At the end of the day, her husband, she thought he was having a stroke. She realized he wasn't. They were at the end of the debate. What was she supposed to do? Say, my husband is about to have a stroke, you shouldn't support him. I get where we're coming from on some of that sounds, but no one's going to say that, that we've had presidents who've had challenges in the past. What I don't like is just revising and rewriting and rewriting History. He said he would not run again. He should not have run again. And when he chose to run and then did not allow us to have a mini primary to select a nominee, but he selected our nominee. And that nominee said that she couldn't think of anything different she would do other than what Joe Biden had done in an election where it was 4 to 1, a change election. As Kellyanne knows, that sealed it for us. And that's what I hold them accountable for if I'm going to hold them accountable for anything. So I hope the tour goes fast and we can get back to talking about the future.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Well, if it's anything like Kamala, it'll be interminable. Like Joe Biden's trips to the tickle room in the middle of the night.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

The tinkle room.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Yeah. So you know Dr. Drill. She's a doctor, Greg. She didn't raise the flag when he was peeing seven times a night.

[Kennedy]

He's like the doctor who tells everybody she's a doctor until somebody's choking in a restaurant. And then she goes, oh, I'm not that kind of doctor. I just got an advanced degree in heart history. Please call me doctor, but I have no use whatsoever. I love that the audience laughed when she said, oh, it's the doctor. This is not a mea culpa. It's reconstructive surgery. She's trying to repair everything they've done. What does it say about the political world? And I don't know if it's the entire political world or it's just this, but it's always going to be about cashing in at the end of the day. I just coined that phrase. No matter how seriously you took the last Democrat White House, whether it was the incompetence or the threats or the deception, they never took it as seriously as you did. And I think that's the real crime here, that for four years, you had a man, Joe, telling the American people that we're facing a violent threat from white supremacy, an existential, demonic figure in Trump, and then you turn that spigot off, and now you're peddling books and doing speeches. What happened to this impending doom we were promised? It just ends. It's like, if the world was truly ending under Trump, would you bother writing a book, creating a library, buying a beach house? No. Their entire political mission is different to them than the people that they lie to. It's a completely different thing than we think it is. It's all a game. Gain power and status translated into money. So you have generational income. Suddenly you're like meeting with your adversaries on podcasts. Oh, I didn't really think you were a racist. It's almost like that scene in every movie where the hero is leaving in slow motion and the house goes up in flames behind them. That's how they treat their time in office. I'm out. Goodbye. Don't care.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Yes. If only Hunter could sell a few more paintings. Save the family.

[Kennedy]

You can buy them. That's what I should do for my studio.

[Jesse Waters]

That's a good.

[Kennedy]

That is. We should do the whole. You could do 15 grand. I bet we could buy a dozen

[Jesse Waters]

of them, get them on a discount.

[Kennedy]

Call me. Hunter. You got my number. Wow, we had some good times.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

You are a saleswoman.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Coming up next, Democrats are about to find out whether they're oyster shucking Nipple Nazi has any more skeletons in his very interesting closet. That's next.

[Kennedy]

Graham Platner is in D.C. today, meeting with senators who want to know if there's anything else lurking in his political porta potty and whether he's ever dropped that towel. Liz Warren handing Platner a tribal membership card along with Bernie and Chuck.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

Why do the richest people in this country want to defeat Graham? Pat, that should tell you everything you need to know. Because he can stand up for working people. Is he a saint? I guess not. I don't know too many states.

[Kennedy]

I met with Graham Platler today. We're going to beat Susan Collins and take back the Senate. We're going to beat Susan Collins and take back the Senate. We're going to take back. We're going to beat Susan Collins and take back the Senate. We're going to beat Susan Collins and take back the Senate. We're going to beat Susan Collins and take back the Senate. Thank you. Meanwhile, Platner is ready to be the new man of the House for the Dems, touting his masculinity in an interview taped before the sexting scandal.

[Kellyanne Conway]

Describe the masculinity that you represent.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

I think it's just a healthy form of it, which is. Yeah, look. I mean, I lift weights, I shoot guns. My hobbies are things that people tend to associate with, like, manly stuff. I guess the exact same time I go to therapy, I have a very open sort of dialogue and emotional relationship with my wife.

[Kennedy]

Open, indeed. She didn't look too open yesterday. Jesse can. This Liz Warren thing doesn't get enough press that when she. During the confirmation hearings with Pete Hegseth, she claimed that the God wills it tattoo he had was a Christian expression linked to right wing expression. And the tattoo of the Jerusalem cross was the same thing. Who. What might you think about a Nazi symbol? What is that related to?

[Jesse Waters]

We're gonna beat Susan Collins and take back the Senate. Yes, Greg. They're stuck with the sexting dipple Nazi. There's nothing they can do about it. I have never seen so many Democrats in the last 48 hours have to answer for this guy. They never have to answer for their crazies. We always do. And I'm one of their crazies. This guy is a fake working class dude. He went to a boarding school. His mom bought him the oyster farm that's on his rich buddy's private island. And his dad bought him a house. And then he put his wife on the campaign payroll. It's sleazy. And let me tell you what.

[Kennedy]

And his mom pays for the oysters.

[Jesse Waters]

Yes. She's the biggest customer. It's a lot of shucking. The FBI is gonna know everything about this guy. If you think about it. They're gonna know the age of the girls he was sexting, who he was sexting and what he was sexting. This guy's in deep trouble, and I wouldn't be surprised if he gets swiftboated. I could see in August, that was the month that that happened. All of these Marines that serve with them come out and say who this guy really is. And I wouldn't be surprised if the Democrats feeding the opposition research to the New York Times to doink this guy out before it's too late, all of a sudden it's about character. Not when power's on the line. They need this main seat, they need it bad in order to win the Senate. And whatever they do, keep them, dump them. It's gonna be Machiavellian.

[Kennedy]

Yeah, you know, that's a really good point, Harold. We haven't heard a peep, I think. I mean, we've been following us from like, his fellow troops that he served with. We've heard him go after Chris Kyle, unfairly say that he was shooting civilians. And obviously he went after that the Purple Heart vet who, you know, saying he wished he died, but we don't hear the people that he served with. Is that like being held back?

[Harold Ford Jr.]

I don't know. I mean, as I said yesterday, tirelessly, I don't. He would not be my choice as a Democrat voting in the Democratic primary. If he wins this primary, I think that the question becomes what other things come out as you're saying, and you're Right. We've not heard from those he served alongside or we've not heard from those who he served with saying flattering things.

[Kennedy]

Yes, that's what I meant.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

Encouraging things or vindicating him in some way. So, you know, if you're Susan Collins right now, you think about where she was two to three weeks ago, she's in a much better spot today than she is before. And I think it's a fair question. I'm a Democrat, but I think it's a fair question for some of my party who have been very, very critical of the character of President Trump, been critical of the character of other Republicans who now have, who are now fine with this, which I don't have a problem with you being fine with you. But you got to explain it. If it's not authentic but ambitious or based only on ambition. I think voters in Maine and for that amount of voters around the country are going to have some questions for us.

[Kennedy]

It's interesting.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

I wouldn't vote for him in the primary.

[Kennedy]

They can vote for that guy. We should be able to call them Nazi adjacent because that's what they do with everybody. If you actually are in a picture with anybody that you didn't even know, you're not. If you vote for mere Nazi adjacent, Kellyanne, you have your nose to the brunstone. No, your ear.

[Jesse Waters]

Ear.

[Kennedy]

You have your ear to the street. What is going to happen next? What's coming out next?

[Kellyanne Conway]

He's in big trouble.

[Kennedy]

Yeah, that's right. I know you know this. I can see it in your face.

[Kellyanne Conway]

You can see it in his nipple and belly button, which I never want to see again. Fox News. Please don't show that again. I don't want him to just stop

[Jesse Waters]

with COVID Right on cue. There it is.

[Kellyanne Conway]

There it is. Greg, by the way, they're all saying, the Democrats are saying what could be next. Let's see what's next. You haven't seen enough. I've seen plenty. Way too much. I think this is a guy who, he has said many things, but the one thing he hasn't said is why he wants to be in the United States Senate. And Trump, Trump, Trump and Susan Collins are not a good enough reason. He hasn't made the case for why he would be worth anybody's vote. We know why it would not be. I think there's plenty more about him because he's, this is a certain type. He's talking about his masculinity. It's a different kind of mascul. Any kind of man in front of me right now. You are not a man. A man does not sext young girls two years into his marriage. A real man doesn't say that Chris, Kyle and the Purple Heart recipient are unworthy. You're not worthy to carry or lick their combat boots, Mr. You. I don't even see a man in front of me, let alone a decent human being who should be one of 100 people in the United States Senate representing a country with 335 million. I see a clown and I see defending him, and I hear Bernie Sanders saying, I won't switch my vote. He's not a saint. Nobody asked him to be a saint. You're asking him to be a decent human being. I think, Greg, his biggest problem is he's a Nepo baby, somebody who's raised with too much money and too little discernment. He actually doesn't have accomplishments on his own. And I want to remind everybody of Mark Robinson. Who's he? He was the nominee, Republican nominee for governor of North Carolina in 2024. When everything came out about him, his consultants left, Republicans dumped him. Trump didn't campaign for him anymore. That was it. Sometimes it's a bad day for the home team, and they're real men, and women say so and they cut the folks loose. I think he's. I think they got a big problem here. And his. And his wife, she's from the Silda Spitzer. Google her kids. Hillary Clinton. Don't Google her. Huma Abedin, Jim McGreevy's wife. All these Democratic pro women, women who stand by their man. You know what I would do? Well, you know what I did do you know what you do with a man who wrongs you this way so publicly? You don't stand by them in public and then throw the china at them in private. You try to help them in private. Your vows mean that you try to help them get the help they need in private, but in public, you stand on your own. And what they're doing to her is what I see in this Democratic Party that pretends they're pro woman because they're pro abortion. And in the meantime, they subjugate this woman, what, his wife of two years, who also works on the oyster farm, to be nothing other than this dutiful political spouse. I think this guy's in trouble. And I think every Democrat should be held to account running down the Senate hallways. Do you stand with him or against him?

[Kennedy]

Kennedy. Sorry, Harold. I know you wanted to say something.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

No, go ahead, go ahead, go ahead.

[Kennedy]

Kennedy. How Are they gonna call us Nazis anymore? I just feel like you can't.

[Greg Gutfeld]

That one's done. Because you have endorsed a guy who had a Totenkov skull, which was what the SS officers had as a badge of honor from the Nazi death camps. So you can't. That one's gone. And also the moral outrage about Ken Paxton. You can no longer claim the moral high ground when you are tarring Ken Paxton with some of the issues that he has had in the past where, you know this guy, unfortunately for him, it sounds like, if you believe some of the rumblings that have been sort of bubbling about on social media today, he's got more stuff coming around the corner, and there are people talking about, you know, Eric Swalwell level accusations against him. I hope that's not true. You know, I hope to God that he hasn't been sexting with teenage girls. But if he has, like, is that what it takes? Like, this other stuff, it isn't enough. And I know there are people who say, well, you know, people in Maine aren't on their phones. Like, they don't have any information. They're in the woods. They climb trees and drink maple syrup. It's like, now, they're smarter than that. They're smart, they're thoughtful, they're independent, they are rugged. And they deserve much, much better than this. And, you know, I believe that they will hold themselves to a higher standard when they survey this election, because Janet Mills herself, the governor, has said, like, I'm still in the race. I suspended my campaign. I'm still very much on the ballot. And that's what Chuck Schumer is talking about when he said, we're going to beat Susan Collins. He's talking about Janet Mills. He's not talking about Graham Plattner. They don't care about Graham Platner.

[Kennedy]

Really.

[Greg Gutfeld]

He is a useful, tarnished meathead.

[Kellyanne Conway]

Idiot.

[Kennedy]

I didn't just. I didn't see that at all. I did not see that at all. You're agreeing, Harold?

[Harold Ford Jr.]

I do. I think that this is. I think Janet Mills could still remember the leadership and the Democrats in the Senate. They supported Janet Mills. They were behind it. That was his. That was. But I want to be clear. The sex thing with an underage person, that's illegal. Someone's marriage. I let them deal with the marriage. I don't understand a guy who served in the military who's criticizing Kris Kyle. I don't understand people who are criticizing Purple Heart. I mean, that's where he says he was dealing with PTSD and Maybe he was and he's getting the help for it. But this may not be our strongest candidate here.

[Kennedy]

All right, we must move on. Up next, Kimmel knows his days are numbered.

[Kellyanne Conway]

Late night's seriously unfunny hack is back. Jimmy Kimmel says he feels defeated by his buddy Stephen Colbert's cancellation and he's not buying CBS's claim that the show is losing $40 million a year. In fact, Kimmel thinks his brand of anti Trump TED Talks are more popular than ever, saying, quote, we're not just dying of natural causes, we're being poisoned. Harold, when is the last time you watched one of these shows and or learned anything from them?

[Harold Ford Jr.]

Probably not in the wild. The only late night I watch is the dude is sitting right here at the table. But where I do agree with him is presidents by definition have enormous egos.

[Jesse Waters]

You don't.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

There's no president we've ever had who didn't think of himself and will one day say herself as having a larger than life presence. Democrats, Republicans, alike. The interesting thing about President Trump with these guys is that the more he complains about them, the more they pile on. And the president, this president makes it seem as if these are the. He's the first president to be the target of these late night guys. I remember Clinton was talked about badly. I remember even Obama at times. I remember Reagan, I remember W. Bush,

[Kellyanne Conway]

I mean, but not like this, right?

[Harold Ford Jr.]

No, I disagree with you. I think this is part of ourthis is part of our nation's heritage in terms of how we treat presidents. And if a president can't take a little, a little riddling, a little ribbing here, I think it's a problem now. Now are they saving money at cbs? I don't know the answer. He thinks he knows the answer. CBS says they were losing $40 million. They now say they're making $15 million. At the end of the day, this is a business. And if you, if your show's not making money, you're likely going to get yanked. But I want to be clear, I just hadn't watched him in a while. I go to bed by that time. But I do watch this dude over here, Kennedy.

[Kellyanne Conway]

Kimmel's not complaining about Donald Trump, though. He was complaining about cbs.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Yeah. And he was saying that at one point CBS had offered Colbert a five year contract. He settled on three years. And you know, Jimmy Kimmel's like, well, now you're telling me they were losing money. It's like, yes, they were losing money. The show is incredibly Expensive to produce and it had diminishing returns. You know Kimmel saying that they have more late night viewers than ever. That's not true. He gets a million viewers a night if he's lucky. Johnny Carson In 1991, every night was getting between 6 and 12 million viewers. Now Kimmel is trying to fold some of the online content into that. It's not the same thing. And Networks cannot monetize TikTok views the way they used to be able to monetize late night advertising, of which it is dwindling in Kimmel's case, unfortunately for him.

[Kellyanne Conway]

Jesse, you looked excited when Harold said, I watched this dude late night. You know, 8:00 o' clock's not late.

[Jesse Waters]

You do watch my show, right?

[Harold Ford Jr.]

We all do watch your show. But I'm saying the late night dude is over there.

[Jesse Waters]

I know the late night dude is over there. He doesn't stop talking about it. You're right. Kennedy Carson in 30 years averaged 10 to 15 million a night. Last episode 55 million. Watched Leno averaged 6 million a night. What is Kimmel doing too? And you can't compare online to television. It's a cope. You know what they count as a view online? Three seconds. Three seconds is a view on YouTube. 30 seconds. They count as a view on TikTok. You know what they count as? A view? A millisecond. You just. And you can't do it. It's not being poisoned. It's just not profitable. And yes, it is very sad to see these iconic franchises wither on the vine. And if that was to happen to cable news, if cable news was not the monolith it used to be, I would just ride off into the sunset, fat and happy. I wouldn't stand there grabbing the leg of the chair, kicking and screaming and blaming everybody else. Maybe I would.

[Kellyanne Conway]

Greg, I don't think they're being poisoned. I think they were murdered by you.

[Kennedy]

Yes, perhaps I am the villain here. It's like a Murder She Wrote episode. But I think, you know what, what is the cure for poison? Laughter is the best medicine.

[Kellyanne Conway]

Kennedy.

[Kennedy]

And they didn't have any. Why were some inoculated against this? Well, the poison was self righteous self seriousness which muscled out all the humor. And the laughs were replaced by polite applause. They appreciate the sentiment from Kimmel and Colbert, but even though it's not funny. So they applaud my show. We did serious, we do serious topics, but we do not take ourselves seriously. I make fun of myself more than anybody. I never see any self deprecation on those Other shows, I think Trump made them take themselves too seriously. That was the problem.

[Greg Gutfeld]

It's all blackface though.

[Kennedy]

Yeah, that's true.

[Kellyanne Conway]

Kimmel's highest ratings are when we talk about him on the five. The fastest is up next.

[Jesse Waters]

Welcome back.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

The COVID letter is officially dead thanks to AI. Get this. Doing it better. Jesse, you were talking about your cover letter and how you.

[Jesse Waters]

I was asking what a cover letter was. The only thing I remember about my cover letter is I shopped at Staples for some really thick stock, the highest quality paper I could get. That was the COVID letter. Didn't matter what was on it. They feel it in their fingers was bone.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

Ms. Montgomery, your thoughts on this?

[Greg Gutfeld]

It's very interesting. All it's going to be soon in the hiring process is my AI is their prospective employee versus your AI and the HR department. It is going to be competing AIs. There will be almost no human interaction.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

I said it the other day. Greg had a great comment about this. How you got to know what to ask. What would you ask if you were getting AI to write your cover letter now?

[Kennedy]

Well, here's the deal. I think cover letters were a conspiracy created by big paper. You had to go to the copy machine. Instead of making a copy of a resume, you had to make a resume and a copy letter. It was twice as expensive a dime each time at that Xerox machine.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

At the drugstore, you said something very interesting. What is it that you were told for these kids now as they're applying to college? What do colleges value most in young kids?

[Kellyanne Conway]

It seems they don't care much, Harold anymore that you're digging ditches in Honduras or you're sponsoring a kid in Africa. They want nothing wrong with that. Nothing wrong with that, but they want you to have a part time job. They like people who are already working because so few are. By the way, I've been hiring people for decades. Ditch the COVID letter but send a writing sample. Do an in face interview and commit that you're actually going to go to the office.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

Well said. One more thing is up next.

[Kennedy]

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[Harold Ford Jr.]

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[Jesse Waters]

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[Greg Gutfeld]

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[Kellyanne Conway]

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[Greg Gutfeld]

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[Harold Ford Jr.]

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[Jesse Waters]

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[Kellyanne Conway]

That's it.

[Jesse Waters]

So tonight, Jesse Waters prime time, we have me. Happy TDS Tuesday.

[Kennedy]

Well, that's quite a guest, Greg.

[Jesse Waters]

Yeah.

[Kennedy]

Tonight we got Kat, Tim, Jamie Lissow, Heather, and the great Nick, Shirley.

[Jesse Waters]

Harold.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

Kennedy. No, I don't have anything. Kennedy, go.

[Jesse Waters]

Ready? Kennedy?

[Greg Gutfeld]

Oh, I'm going to be in Tulsa, Oklahoma in just a couple weeks. Go to KennedyNation.com for tickets.

[Jesse Waters]

All right. Anything from you.

[Harold Ford Jr.]

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[Kennedy]

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